1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: It's nice with Dan Ray. I'm going easy Boston News 2 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: Radio COBOD Evening. 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 2: Everyone. 4 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 3: There's a lot going on tonight and we have a 5 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 3: lot to cover, so please stay with us. If you 6 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 3: are been away from your television or from your radio 7 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 3: for the last few hours, I think you know that 8 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 3: there is now a man hunt that has focused on 9 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 3: some sort of a storage center up in the Massachusetts 10 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:39,599 Speaker 3: Salem New Hampshire line. And it is believed from all 11 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 3: the observations that perhaps the suspect in the Brown University 12 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 3: shooting who now is being linked to the situation that 13 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 3: took place in Brookline on Monday night, the shooting death 14 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 3: of a and I'm a very important MIT professor, may 15 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 3: be linked and maybe at this point by police. So 16 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 3: we're going to follow that here on Nightside the News 17 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 3: to problem will stay on top of it. We will 18 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 3: get you whatever information you need. You will miss nothing, 19 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 3: trust me on that. In the meantime, let me introduce myself. 20 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:14,479 Speaker 3: Tell you I'm Dan Ray, the host of Nights. I'd 21 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 3: heard here every Monday through Friday night from eight until midnight. 22 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 3: Rob Brooks is back in the control room. He will 23 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 3: set you up and I believe that our producer Marita 24 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 3: aka Lady Lightning, who lives in New Hampshire, has been 25 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 3: in contact with our newsroom as well as a lot 26 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 3: of activity, not only on the ground police activity, but 27 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 3: also police helicopter activity. So we're going to cover all 28 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 3: of that. And it just so happens that ironically tonight 29 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 3: is our other every other Thursday night, and we welcome 30 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 3: Emily Sweeney of the Boston. 31 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 2: Globe to Nightside. 32 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 3: And normally when we talk with Emily Sweeney we are 33 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 3: talking about a cold case file. Well, for the last 34 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 3: or so Emily has switched her focus to the to 35 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 3: the murder of the mi I T Professor Professor Nuno Lurero, 36 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 3: and Emily joins us tonight not to talk about a 37 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:18,639 Speaker 3: cold case, but a case that is very active and ongoing. Emily, 38 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 3: Welcome to Night's Side. 39 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 2: How are you this evening? 40 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 4: Excellent, Dan, thanks so much for having me on. There's 41 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 4: a lot going on even as we speak, a lot 42 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 4: different from a cold case. 43 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 3: Absolutely, we'll get back to the cold case matters probably 44 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 3: in the new year, which is going to be with 45 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 3: us faster than we that we ordinarily would think. 46 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 2: But how do you. 47 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 3: Again, I'm asking these questions unscripted, how did the authorities 48 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 3: They apparently are are linking this on the record to 49 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 3: a number of news organizations that they believe that this 50 00:02:55,320 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 3: suspect in Providence was also involved in the and the 51 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 3: brutal murder of the MIT professor. And by the way, 52 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 3: this MIT professor is MIT has confirmed is the director 53 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 3: of the school's Plasma Science and Fusion Center as well 54 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 3: as a professor of nuclear science and Engineering and physics. 55 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 3: So this is not just some run of the mill 56 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 3: college professor. 57 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 2: Here. 58 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 3: Tell us what you know about if you know about 59 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 3: the purported linkage between these two horrific crimes. 60 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, so you know the murder of Nuno Lomerero. He's 61 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 4: the director, as you said, of one of the MIT's 62 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 4: largest labs, and he's very well known in his field. 63 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 4: The president of Portugal, the country where he's from, even 64 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 4: put out a statement, you know, you know, in the 65 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 4: aftermath of the fatal shooting that took his life. You know, 66 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 4: everybody in the scientific community, everybody's been shocked. And the 67 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 4: what's interesting is that the shooting at Brown University, you know, 68 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 4: what happened inside the Engineering and Physics building. When we 69 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,039 Speaker 4: checked in with the feds just I think it was 70 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 4: even yesterday they were still saying there was no connection, 71 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 4: no evidence of the connection, you know, But today they're 72 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 4: teamn changed and they said they you know, the law 73 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 4: enforcement officials were saying on the record that you know, 74 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 4: they were exploring a possible link between the Brown shooting 75 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 4: and the murder of Nuno. 76 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 2: There's a huge jump between exploring the possible the possible 77 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:46,679 Speaker 2: possibility of a connection. 78 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 3: My understanding from the reports I'm hearing tonight is that 79 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 3: they have said that, yeah, this is the guy we 80 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 3: want for both of these and I'm sure that at 81 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 3: some point we will find out in that maybe that 82 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 3: news conference that was scared schedule for four pm, but 83 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:05,359 Speaker 3: obviously circumstances have changed and that has been put off 84 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 3: indefinitely and probably may not happen for tonight or even tomorrow. 85 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 3: But if there is an arrest tonight, obviously they're going 86 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 3: to have to say something. Any idea as to is 87 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 3: this vehicle that that there's this rented car that I've 88 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 3: been hearing so much about, uh that might have provided 89 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 3: some linkage between these uh these to these two horrible crimes. 90 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the thought, and that's a lot of media reporting. 91 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 4: I've seen a lot of media reports about it. Right 92 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 4: now as we speak, we have a glib report up 93 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 4: in Salem, New Hampshire at a storage facility that's right 94 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 4: on the border of like Sewing, but it's in Salem, 95 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 4: New Hampshire, and there's tons of law enforcement there, including 96 00:05:54,320 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 4: offices wearing Providence Police Department bests surrounding the storage ability. 97 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 4: And you know, we're going to be finding out a 98 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 4: lot more actually in the coming minutes probably. I've heard 99 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 4: that the press conference will be happening tonight. They haven't 100 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 4: set a time, but. 101 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 3: They've reportedly said, hey, look we will definitely have a 102 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 3: news conference, but obviously definitely sometimes can if it's at 103 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 3: two o'clock, three o'clock, four o'clock in the morning, they 104 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:25,679 Speaker 3: might say we're going to push it into eight tomorrow morning. 105 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 3: But we're waiting, obviously, if they're negotiating. The police officers 106 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 3: seem to be on the television stations that I'm moving 107 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 3: around and watching, even while I'm doing the show, the 108 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 3: police officers they're standing and they seem to be in 109 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 3: a fairly relaxed position. So, not knowing anything about that 110 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 3: storage facility, my suspicion is that he must be somehow 111 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 3: contained to an area where he cannot do any damage. 112 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 3: And I would assume that if he is indeed in there, 113 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 3: and the presence of the police would suggest that someone's 114 00:06:56,240 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 3: in there, that there may be conversations going on where 115 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 3: they want to make sure, if possible, that this suspect 116 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 3: surrenders and does not either harm himself or try to 117 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 3: harm other police officers, because whatever information that he will 118 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 3: have would die with him, whereas opposed, if they can 119 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 3: actually arrest him, he may be a font of information 120 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 3: and they may be able to cut a bit of 121 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 3: a deal with him, depending upon who else might be 122 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 3: involved and whether this was someone. Initially, my instinct was, oh, 123 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 3: this must be some dispute between you know, some couple. 124 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 2: But then when you had the mit, it's it has 125 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 2: befuddled all of us. 126 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 3: Everybody keeps saying, this is very reminiscent of the twenty 127 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 3: thirteen marathon bombing and the days that follow that, all 128 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 3: of the you know, the indecision, and finally the shootout 129 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 3: and the capture of these suspects, of the one suspect, 130 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 3: one of whom diedly. I hope you're going to stick 131 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 3: on this for a while. We may check in with 132 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 3: you later on tonight. We have a regularly scheduled program 133 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 3: all set to go. But if there are breaking news 134 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 3: on this, we will we will, we will get back 135 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 3: on the air and we'll have people on it as well. 136 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 3: But uh, if if you have any more information, to 137 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 3: give Rob a call and I'll put you on anytime. 138 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 4: Okay, you know that sounds great. Dan and the Globe 139 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 4: we have a running live blog with you know, little 140 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 4: like every everything that we're getting we're posting up there 141 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 4: on the live blog once we confirm it. So that's 142 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 4: just probably we're going to be finding out a lot 143 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 4: more soon. 144 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,199 Speaker 3: That's for those who are the uninitiated. That probably is 145 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 3: either Boston dot com or Boston Globe dot com. 146 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 4: I assume yep, Boston Globe dot com. You can find 147 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 4: it right there. It's on the front page. 148 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 2: Emily, thank you very much. 149 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 3: As I say, it's this is one of those stories 150 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 3: that it's it's tragic. It's going to eventually be fascinating 151 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 3: to find out what prop did any individual or individuals 152 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 3: to do this, uh in this in this time, it's 153 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 3: it's just it's it's frightening because you just you just 154 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 3: don't understand how some people's minds work. This is a 155 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 3: This has been a tough week for Rhode Island and 156 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 3: a tough week for Brookline, Massachusetts. And hopefully we're going 157 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 3: to get a little closure in the next few hours. 158 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 3: Thanks Emily. We'll talk soon. And if I don't talk 159 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 3: to you, have great holidays, Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, 160 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 3: Happy Honka, happy Kwansa, happy everything. 161 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 4: Okay, thanks everyone, Thanks so much. 162 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 2: Dan, We'll talk later, thanks very much. 163 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 3: When we get back, we are going to be talking 164 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 3: about swifty nomics with an economist, co director of the 165 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 3: Kansas Population Center and Associate Professor of Economics and Public 166 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,679 Speaker 3: Affairs at the University of Kansas. And by the way, 167 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 3: I will remind you that at nine o'clock tonight we 168 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 3: expect to be talking with a great Boston based author. 169 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 3: He is a nationally known author, but Boston based, William Martin. 170 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 3: He has written so many great books and one that 171 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 3: we're going to talk about tonight is December nineteen forty one. 172 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 3: It is a historical thriller that takes place eighty four 173 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 3: months ago, well eighty four decembers ago. I should say 174 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 3: eighty four Decembers ago, and it's a. 175 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 2: Brilliant, an amazing read. 176 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 3: We'll talk to to William Martin and also later on 177 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 3: tonight we are scheduled at ten o'clock to sort of 178 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 3: have a little bit of an ongoing conversation to debate 179 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 3: about public surveillance and security cameras versus the right to privacy. 180 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 3: And never before have the need for security cameras in 181 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 3: public place has been more evident than the last week. 182 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 3: We'll talk with about all of that tonight on night. 183 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: Side Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio. 184 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 3: We're continuing to walk much the developments in southern New 185 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 3: Hampshire and Salem in New Hampshire where a huge police 186 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 3: turnout apparently has a storage facility surrounded, which would suggest 187 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:13,199 Speaker 3: to me that there may be a person or persons 188 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 3: inside that storage facility who they are looking for. We'll 189 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 3: keep we'll keep you posting on that. In the meantime, 190 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 3: I like to welcome a professor, Misty Heganis. She's an economist, 191 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,839 Speaker 3: uh and she is an associate professor of Economics and 192 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 3: Public Affairs at the. 193 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 2: University of Kansas. 194 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 3: I always get the University of Kansas and Kansas State 195 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 3: University mixed up? 196 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 2: So are you the folks? Are you the which which 197 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:42,719 Speaker 2: one are you? In terms of. 198 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, so we're the University of Kansas. There is a 199 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 5: big rivalry between the two. Kansas State University is the 200 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 5: Land Grant University of Kansas. 201 00:11:55,280 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 3: At the University of Kansas, what's your uh? What's the 202 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 3: nickname of the team? I know I will know that 203 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 3: more by the nicknames of your sports teams. 204 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 5: We are the Jayhawks. 205 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 2: Okay, I know what the Jayhawks are. Okay, now we 206 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 2: know good. 207 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 3: But I just wanted to I didn't want to make 208 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 3: the mistake and accuse you of being a different school 209 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 3: in Kansas. 210 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 5: On the other side, Yeah. 211 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 2: I got it. Okay. So Swifty Nomics have this. 212 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 3: The theory is how women mastermind and redefine our economy. 213 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 3: That Swift isn't just a pop culture icon. She's a 214 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 3: case study of strategic leadership, brand economics, and the financial 215 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 3: power of women as workers, consumers, and creators. I agree, 216 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 3: But there have been some great women in entertainment. I 217 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 3: think of Share and Beyonce and Mariah Carey, who for 218 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 3: years and years and years have I think, actually been 219 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:04,559 Speaker 3: Swifty before before, before Swifty, Is she just breaking all 220 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 3: the records at this point, Is Taylor Swift just so 221 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 3: far and above all those who have come before? 222 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 1: Well? 223 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 5: So, I mean I would first say that I don't 224 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 5: think that there's a limited amount of seats at the 225 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 5: table for women in the entertainment industry who have really 226 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 5: you know, yeah, it kind of pushed boundaries and you know, 227 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 5: really took advantage of their talent. I think Taylor is 228 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 5: one of many. You know, Beyonce makes an appearance in 229 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 5: my book, as well as Madonna. So I think there's 230 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,199 Speaker 5: a lot to be learned from all of these women. 231 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 5: I just in particular decided to focus on Taylor because 232 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 5: I was writing this book during the pandemic, and she was, 233 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 5: you know, during the pandemic, producing albums while the rest 234 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 5: of us were struggling, you know, just to make a 235 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 5: sandwich for lunch. And I just thought that she was 236 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 5: really an amazing example of determination and perseverance. So yeah, 237 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 5: well sure, I. 238 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 3: Mean, look, I know that there have been you know, 239 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 3: great women, uh actresses, comedians, you think you know, go 240 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 3: back to Luci o'ball and uh Joan Rivers. I mean, 241 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 3: in every area obviously, Taylor Swift is a phenomenal uh entertainer, 242 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 3: a worldwide superstar. I just didn't know if if the 243 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 3: glass ceiling that the meta I'll use the metaphor that 244 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 3: she broke through is the highest glass ceiling in terms 245 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 3: of ticket sales. 246 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 2: Money earned or whatever? 247 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 5: Or yes? 248 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 2: Or is it? Is it her style? What? What? 249 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 3: What makes her in your mind, as you know, as 250 00:14:55,720 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 3: an economics professor stand out so so much obviously an entertainer. 251 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 6: Uh. 252 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 2: You know, she now has crossed over into the football 253 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 2: industry with this. 254 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 3: There's this football team near near you guys called the 255 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 3: Kansas City Chiefs, which unfortunately not going to make the 256 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 3: playoffs this year. But she has this tight end boyfriend, 257 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 3: Travis Kelcey, who himself had a. 258 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 2: Little bit of a pretty good following as well. 259 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 7: Uh. 260 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 2: It just seems that uh, swift Mania has kind of 261 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 2: absorbed the country for the last couple of years. Uh, 262 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 2: and and put a lot of the other great female 263 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 2: entertainers not on the back shelf, but kind of a 264 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 2: little bit to the side. I mean, she's dominated for 265 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 2: the last two years. 266 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 4: Yeah. 267 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 5: I Mean one of the things that Taylor has always 268 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 5: done well in her career is you know, she really 269 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 5: does follow her own kind of authenticity and tries very 270 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 5: strategically to really connect with her fans. And she's done 271 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 5: this since the beginning. So, you know, when she started 272 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 5: in the industry, she wanted to get into country and 273 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 5: she wanted to write songs about the experience of teenage girls, 274 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 5: and you know, country executives were more or less kind 275 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 5: of not interested in that because they had never thought 276 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 5: of teenage girl as a market that was worth exploring. 277 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 5: And you know, she just continues throughout her career to 278 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 5: really tap into her own experiences in her lifetime at 279 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 5: that moment to really connect with fans who are also 280 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 5: experiencing something similar. And so I think it's that emotional 281 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 5: attachment that fans have to her that really sets her apart. 282 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 5: And you know, the other kind of component about Taylor 283 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 5: that's so impressive is she really doesn't take no for 284 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 5: an answer, So she's pretty persistent. You can see that 285 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 5: with the when her earlier records were sold and she 286 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 5: lost control of them. You know, she could have just said, Okay, 287 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 5: well that's that, but she didn't. You know, she went 288 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 5: into this whole re record process us and now that 289 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 5: has come back and she's been you know, she was 290 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 5: purchased her old catalogue you know, this past year, and 291 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 5: so her persistence really has paid off for her and 292 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 5: then her just her authenticity and writing stories about life 293 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 5: experiences that she's having and then connecting that with her audience, 294 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 5: you know, have just been strategies that have been really 295 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 5: successful for her. 296 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 2: I think she was also correct me if I'm wrong. 297 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 3: I don't cover you know, music as I do mostly politics, economics, 298 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 3: current events, things like that. But I believe that she 299 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 3: was kind of in the forefront of the battle between 300 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 3: some of the secondary ticket selling market marketers and who 301 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 3: were getting between her and her fans and tickets that 302 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 3: they were able to purchase at a venue and freeze 303 00:17:56,640 --> 00:18:01,879 Speaker 3: and then resell at immense profits, basically making immense amount 304 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:05,880 Speaker 3: of money off of Taylor Swift's authenticity and her creativity, 305 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 3: and that she got involved to fight that and to 306 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 3: cut out that middleman, the middle ticket sellers, if you will, 307 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 3: who themselves were making money, so that she could deal 308 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 3: more directly with her fans in terms of ticket sales. 309 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 3: Am I misreading that or am I accurate on that? 310 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 5: That's correct. So if you think about what happened with 311 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 5: the erascour and actually I have a personal experience with this, 312 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:34,880 Speaker 5: but she did, you know, instigate some sort of pre 313 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 5: sale for fans. So fans had to register in advance. 314 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 5: It was still three ticket Master, but they had to 315 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 5: register in advance, and then they got some of them 316 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 5: got a code, and then with the code, when the 317 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:50,199 Speaker 5: day when the pre sale tickets went on sale, fans 318 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 5: had this code could go in and buy up to 319 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:56,400 Speaker 5: six tickets, and both tickets were I think aetnywhere between 320 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:58,919 Speaker 5: ninety nine dollars to four hundred and ninety nine dollars. 321 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 5: Those were Those were the rates that she was selling 322 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 5: these tickets at. I got in the pre sale, I 323 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 5: went in and I purchased six tickets for ninety nine 324 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 5: dollars and I ended up selling two of them at 325 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 5: face value to a colleague of mint at work. And 326 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 5: then I sold another two and for like double the price, 327 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 5: so you know whatever, two hundred each, and I went 328 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 5: with my daughter for free, you know. And then who 329 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 5: knows if that person. 330 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 2: An economy you're an economics professor. 331 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 3: You figured that out, all right, So look, yeah, do 332 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 3: you have a book out now that we're going to 333 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 3: talk about Is swifty Nomics more than just a fancy 334 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 3: names of the title of your book. 335 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 5: It's the title of my book. It comes out January 336 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 5: twenty seventh. You can pre order it now, and it's 337 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 5: a book about women in the economy and how women 338 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 5: thrive in an economy that essentially wasn't built for with 339 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 5: their needs in mind. So I talk a lot about 340 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 5: women throughout history. I look at the data. It's a 341 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 5: data driven book, and I give a lot of anecdotes 342 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 5: about Taylor. 343 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 2: Of course, well that's what's going to sell the book. 344 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 3: The data might be great, I might like it, you 345 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 3: might like it, but I think the anecdotes about Taylor, 346 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 3: just you know, as a as an amateur economist, I 347 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 3: think that that will drive the sales of your book. 348 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 3: So it's it's swifty Nomics, all one word, how women 349 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:28,439 Speaker 3: mastermind and redefine our economy. So Professor hagenis thanks for 350 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 3: joining us. I assume that's all available through Amazon. Do 351 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 3: you have your own website as well or is it 352 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 3: just a pre order through Amazon? 353 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 5: Yeah, well you can. There's a website swifteen Nomics. You 354 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 5: can go there, but it's also on Amazon, Barnes and 355 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 5: Noble a lot of local indie stores once the book 356 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 5: gets released on the twenty seventh. 357 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, we'd like to call those mortar and brick stores. 358 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:50,400 Speaker 4: So that's there. 359 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 5: You go. 360 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 3: Knows what you mean by that. Well go jay Hawks. 361 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 3: I hope you're doing. You're going to have a great season, 362 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 3: whatever sport you're rooting for a fair in Kansas. Thanks 363 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 3: very much. I enjoy talking with you tonight. 364 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 2: Thank you. 365 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 5: Thanks, I appreciate it. Take care of that. 366 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 3: Okay, we have just actually lost one of our guests tonight, 367 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,479 Speaker 3: so our conversation about the death of Rob Reiner and 368 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 3: his wife may happen tomorrow night. We will be a decision 369 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 3: that producer Lightning will make. We don't like to have 370 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 3: a guest drop out. But we're going to be talking 371 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 3: with doctor Evan Harris coming up on the other side 372 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,919 Speaker 3: about tips to protect your veins during holiday travel. So 373 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 3: if you're going to be on a plane or a train, 374 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 3: or a boat or a car or a canoe, you 375 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 3: got to think about your vascular system. And that's we 376 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,479 Speaker 3: will talk with doctor Evan Harris about. And we are 377 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 3: keeping our eye on what is going on up in 378 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 3: New Hampshire up on the Massachusetts, New Hampshire line at 379 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 3: some sort of a storage warehouse, and it looks as 380 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 3: if the authorities have surrounded this building. And we'll get 381 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 3: you a news update as well as we'll keep our 382 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 3: eye on it. In addition, coming back on Nightside right 383 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 3: after the news break. In just a few minutes, you're. 384 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: On Nightside with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio. 385 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 3: Okay, Well, with the big Christmas vacation, Honiker is winding down, 386 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 3: Christmas is ramping up. You have a Kwanza, the Festivus poll, 387 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 3: whatever you're celebrating, it may involve travel. And of course 388 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 3: right after the holidays of December, we have the first 389 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 3: of the year in the new year, ringing twenty twenty six, 390 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 3: and some people be traveling by plane, by boat, by 391 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:38,919 Speaker 3: the airplane, by car. 392 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 2: Who knows by canoe with us is doctor Evan Davis. 393 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:48,479 Speaker 2: He's with the Center for vane Restoration. Doctor Davis. Welcome 394 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 2: to Nightside. How are you. 395 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 7: I'm good? 396 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:51,880 Speaker 6: How are you? 397 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:52,640 Speaker 2: I'll do it great? 398 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 6: Thanks for having me. 399 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 3: Thank you for joining us. You specialize in vascular interventional 400 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 3: radiology at the Center for Vein Restoration. Where was the 401 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 3: vein restoration located the Center for Veine Restoration where you located. 402 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:15,120 Speaker 7: We well, my offices are in Glastonbury, Connecticut and middle Town, Connecticut. 403 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 7: We have we're a multi regional company, so we actually 404 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 7: have one hundred and twenty offices country. 405 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 2: Okay, great, Okay. 406 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 3: So I know that when people travel, particularly for long 407 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 3: at long periods of time, you know, into continental flights, 408 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 3: one of the things they need to do is to 409 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:36,120 Speaker 3: not just sit. 410 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 2: But they got to be able to move. 411 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,239 Speaker 3: A little bit, keep the blood flowing for the for 412 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 3: the veins, particularly in their legs. If I'm correct on that, 413 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 3: and you can amplify I can't think of anybody who 414 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 3: could amplify that concern. 415 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 2: And what needs to be done to abate that concern. 416 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 3: Then you and like to turn it over here right 417 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,479 Speaker 3: now to to tell me how true this is and 418 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,400 Speaker 3: and what can people do to prevent problems? 419 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:06,360 Speaker 7: Well, you're spot on, and you know it's all about 420 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 7: traveling and having fun, but doing it safely. And for 421 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 7: the vast majority of people traveling, we don't have to 422 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 7: fear normal travel routines, but a couple of little hints 423 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 7: just keep us a little bit more safe. And exactly 424 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,160 Speaker 7: as you said, movement is really where it all starts. 425 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 7: Whether that's getting up every hour or two and just 426 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 7: doing a little stretch and a little walk, or just 427 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 7: pumping those calf muscles in your seat, however you're going 428 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 7: to do it. We just want that calf muscle complex 429 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,159 Speaker 7: to sort of fire that blood back up towards the 430 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 7: heart so it doesn't just huddle in our legs. And 431 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 7: with that, we want to just stay nicely hydrated. And 432 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 7: if it's a real long haul flight and you know 433 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 7: you're going to be immobilized to some degree for hours, 434 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 7: you maybe want to consider investing in some knee high 435 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 7: compression sucks. 436 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 3: And I assume that folks who are perhaps as I'd 437 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 3: like to say, on the wrong side of fifty, may 438 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 3: be more concerned about that than people who are in 439 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 3: their twenties or thirties. 440 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,160 Speaker 7: Again, if this is a test, you're getting them all right. 441 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 6: So yeah, age, we. 442 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 7: Can say being overweight, you know, obesity, certain hormonal supplements 443 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:34,199 Speaker 7: and conditions can do that as well as having some 444 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:40,199 Speaker 7: restrictions and the movements. Certainly, people unfortunately who have a 445 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 7: diagnosis of cancer or other serious medical conditions, but for 446 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 7: the vast majority of Americans, this is fairly rare. 447 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:48,400 Speaker 6: I mean, you're. 448 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 7: Talking one in several thousand, but you know, millions of 449 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 7: people fly, so it will happen, and it's best to 450 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 7: be safe. 451 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 3: I don't script questions, so if you know, great, if 452 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 3: I'm asking question that is beyond your knowledge base, feel 453 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 3: free to tell me that that's not a great question. 454 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 3: Are the airlines, particularly on long flights, long haul flights 455 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 3: from here, tom where of course the New England who's 456 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,159 Speaker 3: like you, so we're in Boston, but from somewhere like 457 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:21,399 Speaker 3: if you're flying from New York to Hawaii NonStop? Are 458 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 3: the flight attendants going to tell you get back in 459 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 3: your seat, you copy walking up and. 460 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:26,679 Speaker 2: Down the aisle? 461 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 3: Or will they understand that it's something that people should 462 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 3: really participate in or do a little bit. 463 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 7: Of You know, it's interesting, you know, I obviously, just 464 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 7: like you just said, I'm not a spokesman for the airlines. 465 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 7: I don't know how many of how many people actually 466 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,360 Speaker 7: think about this or even really put it in front 467 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:49,919 Speaker 7: and center in their mind. And there are a lot 468 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 7: of things that we need to do to fly safe, 469 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 7: right we all know those rules, and there are certain 470 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 7: times when you can't get up in the battle of course. Yeah, 471 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 7: there's plenty of opportunity unity for all of us just 472 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 7: to be safe, stay hydrated, think about the compression, and 473 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,919 Speaker 7: again there's plenty opportunity to do this kef muscle pumps 474 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 7: even in your seat, just you know, flex those toes 475 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,919 Speaker 7: up and the heels down and back and forth. Just 476 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,199 Speaker 7: you know, for thirty seconds a minute, you're really going 477 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 7: to get some good circulation going to get you through 478 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 7: the flight. 479 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 2: Well, thanks very much. I do appreciate. 480 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 3: Is there a website that we could send some folks 481 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 3: too if they have not comprehended precisely everything we've talked about. 482 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 3: I'm just wondering if the Center for Veined Restoration has 483 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,400 Speaker 3: an easy website that people might check in on tomorrow. 484 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 7: Yeah, well, if they, if they google the Center for 485 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 7: Van Restoration dot com, the website will just pop up 486 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,199 Speaker 7: and they can just click on it and just go 487 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 7: straight to it. And you know, again, if they're in Connecticut, 488 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 7: they're glad to reach out to me or any of 489 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 7: our partners physicians in there are those in mass and 490 00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,640 Speaker 7: Connecticut and New Hampshire as well. 491 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 2: Sounds great. I really do appreciate it. Thank you so much. 492 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:03,919 Speaker 2: On doctor Harris. 493 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 3: I appreciate you stepping up and filling in this segment 494 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 3: for us. We're going to talk in just a couple 495 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,880 Speaker 3: of moments with former Boston Police Commissioner Ed Davis, who 496 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,399 Speaker 3: of course was in the leadership of the search for 497 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 3: the Boston bombers back at the Marathon bombing in twenty thirteen, 498 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,439 Speaker 3: and we'll get some of the latest on what's going up. 499 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,679 Speaker 3: There's a crazy story going on up in New Hampshire 500 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 3: to NITIS. I'm sure you have heard about. I think 501 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 3: that they have actually figured out who the person was 502 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 3: that engaged in that murderous mayhem last weekend at Brown University. 503 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,719 Speaker 3: But I do thank you for being available for us 504 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 3: as well, Doctor Evan Harris. Thanks doctor Harris. Okay, thank 505 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 3: you very much. We will be talking with Ed Davis, 506 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 3: former Boston Police commission in just a couple of minutes 507 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 3: after this break. He will have insights better than anyone 508 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 3: on what's going on up in the Massachusetts New Hampshire. 509 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 3: I think they're in Salem, New Hampshire. But I also 510 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 3: some of this is stretching into MATHU and coming back 511 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 3: on Nightside right after this. 512 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 1: It's Nightside with Dan ray on wb Boston's news radio. 513 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 3: We're delighted and honored to be joined by former Boston 514 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 3: Police Commissioner At Davis. And Davis, of course, was in 515 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 3: charge of the Boston Police Department back in twenty thirteen 516 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 3: at the time of the Boston Marathon bombing, and he 517 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 3: was very much involved in solving that horrific case. At Davis, 518 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 3: welcome back to Nightside. Another similar scene, I guess is 519 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 3: unfolding tonight up and up in Salem, New Hampshire. How 520 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 3: are you, my friend, I'm good, Dan. 521 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 6: Great to talk to you. Yeah, it does bring back 522 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 6: a lot of memories of a Thursday night twelve years ago. 523 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 2: Oh, I was there. I remember you were there. 524 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 3: Mayor Menino was there and when all hell broke loose 525 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:57,239 Speaker 3: and it's been pretty quiet. Look, I know you're not 526 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 3: involved in this investigation. I know that you have great sources, 527 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 3: my sources in television, in my rear view mirror. So 528 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 3: I just want to sit back and have you tell 529 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 3: us what you think is transpiring from what you've seen. 530 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 3: I have some thoughts, but I'm much more interested in 531 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 3: what your thoughts are here. 532 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 2: I know that some. 533 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 3: Of it has to be speculation, but that's a huge 534 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 3: turnout of police. 535 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 2: Uh at that at this building. 536 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 3: It looks like it's some sort of a storage warehouse, 537 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 3: either in Salem or also in Salem and across someone 538 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 3: across the line in the thun give us whatever information 539 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 3: you your cape, you're prepared, or you've been allowed you'd 540 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 3: be allowed to share with us. 541 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 6: Sure, well, well, thank you. Clearly it was a huge 542 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 6: break in the last twenty four hours. The first incident 543 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 6: happened in uh In uh you know, on on last 544 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 6: week on a Saturday, and then you have five days 545 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 6: later with them were most of the evidence is primarily 546 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 6: coming from coming from video that was downloaded, and that 547 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 6: usually is the first thing that they start to go after. 548 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 6: But we also know that they have DNA evidence. We 549 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 6: also know they have ballistics evidence. So all of that 550 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 6: information is being compiled and put together. But there weren't 551 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 6: any suspects coming out. There was a second man that 552 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 6: was identified. They wanted to talk to him. My information 553 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 6: is that they've met him and he's not a suspect. 554 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 6: He might have been a witness. So they really kind 555 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 6: of hit a dead end in Providence. Then the second 556 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 6: attack happened, and the first information we got was is 557 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 6: absolutely no connection. The FBI were very clear on that 558 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 6: there's no connection between the two, but apparently that's all 559 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 6: changed in the last twenty four hours. So I have 560 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 6: to assume that the information that's cracking this case may 561 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 6: have come from the second incident. Where you're in Boston, 562 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 6: the density of cameras and you know, places you can 563 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 6: go for clues is much as much improved over what 564 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 6: you have in Rhode Island. But you know, whether it's 565 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 6: Rhode Island or Brookline that popped the case wide open, 566 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 6: somebody got information that put them onto this guy, and 567 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 6: now they're in Salem, and it looks like there's search 568 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 6: warrants being executed up there where we will get even 569 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 6: more information. 570 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 2: Well, just to follow on and and I'll ask questions. 571 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 3: If I ask anything that's out of bounds, you know, 572 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 3: throw the red flag on me here. But let's assume 573 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 3: I'm going to make a bit of an assumption and 574 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 3: if I'm way off base, correctly, if I'm wrong, I 575 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 3: assume the shellcasings left at both both crime scenes. Could 576 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 3: the FBI get those shell casings compared as quickly as 577 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 3: to put them together? Obviously one was on Saturday afternoon, 578 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 3: second event is Monday night. Today's Thursday night. It looks 579 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 3: to me like something clicked sometime early this afternoon. Would 580 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 3: that timeline be suggested that maybe shellcasings the two separate 581 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 3: scenes matched up. 582 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't have any information of that being the case. 583 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 6: In I will tell you that procedurally, showcasing comparison can 584 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 6: be done fairly quickly, and I'm sure that was one 585 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 6: of the first things that they did. So, if in fact, 586 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 6: there were shellcasings at the Brookline location, I'm sure that 587 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 6: they put that together very quickly. The FBI is expert 588 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 6: at that and they can do it very very quickly. 589 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 3: Okay, I'm going to ask you a question, and again 590 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 3: I'm picking your brain as I used to do as 591 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 3: a TV reporter. Just looking at this video, you're not 592 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 3: on the ground there. There looks like there are dozens 593 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 3: of police cars and dozens of police officers. They did 594 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 3: not in positions with long guns pointed at a building. 595 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 3: They seem to be standing around waiting for something to transpire. 596 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,879 Speaker 3: What does that posture indicate to you? 597 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 6: Well, there was clearly something happening around four thirty five o'clock. 598 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,239 Speaker 6: There were hundreds of police cars heading from Boston up 599 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 6: towards up ninety three. One of my guys was out 600 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 6: on the highway and saw them going by. There's reports 601 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 6: of helicopters up there as well, so there was clearly, 602 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 6: you know, a full court press of law enforcement heading 603 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,320 Speaker 6: in that area. As to how they got there, I 604 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,880 Speaker 6: don't have the answer to that. But what I see 605 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,800 Speaker 6: now from the air, from the coverage that we're getting 606 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 6: over the television, is that there appear to be technical 607 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:54,919 Speaker 6: investigators there around the vehicle. And it's hard to tell 608 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 6: if they're EOD or bomb squad guys, but that would 609 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,239 Speaker 6: be the first protocol that the would follow, and then 610 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 6: they would start to follow a protocol around the recovery 611 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 6: of evidence and see during whatever's in that vehicle. So 612 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:13,319 Speaker 6: there's clearly something big going on there. At what it is, 613 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 6: we'll just have to wait for the press conference. 614 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 3: Is your understanding, And I know this afternoon they were 615 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 3: saying four o'clock. Then they said, well it'll be later, 616 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 3: and then at one point I heard that they will 617 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 3: definitely have a press conference tonight. This was before all 618 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,480 Speaker 3: of this activity, which reinforced in my mind that something 619 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 3: was afoot. Clearly we're looking at what is a foot 620 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,800 Speaker 3: and that is all these police officers and police cars 621 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:42,799 Speaker 3: in Salem, New Hampshire. Do you think they get to 622 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 3: a point tonight where they just, let's say, maintain a 623 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,799 Speaker 3: circumference at the building around the building and they say, look, 624 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,799 Speaker 3: let's reconvene tomorrow at eight o'clock. Or this is the 625 00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,799 Speaker 3: sort of scene from your experience, that they're going to 626 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 3: work through the night here and they're going to find 627 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 3: everything that They're going to leave nothing to chance, not 628 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 3: a lot that if there is someone in that building 629 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,919 Speaker 3: who they need to talk to, they're going to search 630 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:10,759 Speaker 3: it and they're going to make sure that they get 631 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 3: everything least every last thing out of this this exercise tonight. 632 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 2: That they can. 633 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:18,719 Speaker 6: I think more of the latter, Dan, you and I 634 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 6: have both been involved in situations that were unfolding, and 635 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,360 Speaker 6: you schedule a press conference and then something happens and 636 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 6: something else comes in and you have to keep delaying 637 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,319 Speaker 6: and delaying at this and there's always pressure to get 638 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:35,400 Speaker 6: the information out there, But in an unfolding situation, it 639 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,879 Speaker 6: would be you'd be remissing in trying to putting out 640 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:44,800 Speaker 6: bad information. So it sounds like this is really rolling right, now, 641 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,439 Speaker 6: and they're just putting things off until they have really 642 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,759 Speaker 6: certain answers to the questions this. This is going to 643 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,240 Speaker 6: be a brutal press conference tonight whenever they have it, 644 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:58,439 Speaker 6: because everybody has bits and pieces of information, and they're 645 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,959 Speaker 6: going to be they're going to be required to sort 646 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,759 Speaker 6: of put the bed rumors that aren't true and then 647 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 6: to get out whatever information they can get out without 648 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,360 Speaker 6: without blocking the case or causing problems with the case. 649 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,839 Speaker 6: On the question about working overnight, uh, you know, we 650 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,799 Speaker 6: have access to lighting trucks and everything you need to 651 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,080 Speaker 6: continue to work on the scene. There's no way they're 652 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 6: going to leave it unless in the unlikely situation that 653 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,239 Speaker 6: there was a suspect somewhere and they want to lock 654 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,080 Speaker 6: it down and they come in in the morning. That's 655 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:34,560 Speaker 6: the only time we'd see them pulled back. If it's 656 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 6: if it's if the suspect is there or there's evidence 657 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,400 Speaker 6: in that vehicle, they're going to get the evidence as 658 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:41,440 Speaker 6: quickly as possible. 659 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's it's fascinating to see this transpire live. 660 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,000 Speaker 2: As you know. 661 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 3: Again, I know that the law enforcement, many of the 662 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:58,840 Speaker 3: agencies were criticized pretty heavily for wandering news conferences earlier 663 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,200 Speaker 3: in the week. I think maybe they too much too 664 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,560 Speaker 3: many news conferences schedule, but for me as a reporter 665 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,840 Speaker 3: to say that, but they didn't have much to offer. 666 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,320 Speaker 3: But tonight it looks as if their patience is paying off. 667 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:15,920 Speaker 3: And I got my spidy sense, and I'm sure you 668 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,400 Speaker 3: have much better spidy sense that I do. Is that 669 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 3: we're we're moving very quickly towards a conclusion here and 670 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,920 Speaker 3: that that hopefully a lot of people can will be 671 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,200 Speaker 3: able to put their heads on their pillow tonight with 672 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,120 Speaker 3: a little more comfort than they did last the last 673 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 3: few nights. And Davis, so thank you so much for 674 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,359 Speaker 3: joining us. I know you are a much sought after 675 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,960 Speaker 3: a guest tonight by television networks, and I appreciate that 676 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:42,799 Speaker 3: you've been able to carve out a few minutes for us, 677 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 3: and I really do appreciate it. 678 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:44,440 Speaker 2: My friend. 679 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,040 Speaker 6: Oh sorry, good man, take care. Thanks your covering. 680 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,520 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. All right, we get back. 681 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 3: We are going to keep our eye on what's going 682 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,680 Speaker 3: on in New Hampshire, but we are going to talk 683 00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:54,800 Speaker 3: with William Martin. 684 00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,239 Speaker 2: He's a guy that has had a. 685 00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,560 Speaker 3: Brilliant career and the career is not over any stretch 686 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:04,160 Speaker 3: of the imagination. Catholic Memorial Graduate in nineteen sixty eight, 687 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:09,080 Speaker 3: Harvard graduate who went to Film School at USC and 688 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:14,640 Speaker 3: has spent his life writing spellbinding thrillers, many of which 689 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 3: are based in New England. We'll talk with William Martin 690 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:19,920 Speaker 3: and if you'd like to take calls and talk to 691 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 3: a real live author who has made a great living 692 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:25,719 Speaker 3: at doing what he loves to do, and that is 693 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:26,759 Speaker 3: right thrillers. 694 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:28,279 Speaker 2: We'll be back right after this