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Speaker 1: Is the Jesse Kelly Show.

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Speaker 2: Another hour of The Jesse Kelly Show on an amazing Thursday.

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Speaker 2: We are going to get to Brandon Wikert and start

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Speaker 2: chopping away at some I want clarification on so many

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Speaker 2: things going on in Iran, and he's always a wealth

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Speaker 2: of knowledge. This is coming on the heels of a

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Speaker 2: report that hasn't been disputed yet, but it's NBC, a

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Speaker 2: report that said Trump blew up at his advisors. I

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Speaker 2: don't know who all was in the room about the

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Speaker 2: lack of any kind of a resolution when it comes

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Speaker 2: to Iran.

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Speaker 1: They use the term exasperated.

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Speaker 2: We've heard about the Chinese involvement in Russians, and apparently

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Speaker 2: the Ukraine is somehow getting involved.

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Speaker 1: What is real?

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Speaker 2: And you have had so many questions for me once

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Speaker 2: I've tried to explain before from both sides. I've had

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Speaker 2: people say many why can't we just leave? I'm ann

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Speaker 2: ask Brandon Wikert that I want him to lay it out.

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Speaker 2: You've also said people on the flip side of it,

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Speaker 2: why don't we just finish the job? Why don't we

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Speaker 2: just keep going kill them all, change the regime? Why

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Speaker 2: don't we just I'm going to ask him that too.

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Speaker 2: Buckle up, no matter how you feel, and we'll probably

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Speaker 2: all learn something before we get to that.

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Speaker 1: You can't help.

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Speaker 2: But notice how defensive so many people were yesterday and

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Speaker 2: today about doctor Fauci. It's all over the news. I

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Speaker 2: mean all over the news. You had this kind of story.

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Speaker 3: Ny Moreno's target in that hearing today was a man

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Speaker 3: who has done more in service to this country and

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Speaker 3: the world than every senator in that room and the

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Speaker 3: entire current United States Senate combined.

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Speaker 2: That's Laurence O'Donnell. You think he's defending Fauci there, he's not.

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Speaker 2: He's defending himself.

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Speaker 4: Here was Bill Deblasia, and Fauci was, thank god, someone

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Speaker 4: who actually knew something and was consistent in the advice

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Speaker 4: he gave and with someone you could have a real

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Speaker 4: conversation with, unlike so many other folks in the administration.

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Speaker 4: But I think the bottom line here is Trump once

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Speaker 4: again and the Republicans in the Senate, surprisingly, they can't

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Speaker 4: get out of their own way, Caitlin. They should not

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Speaker 4: be talking about something that happened five years ago, which

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Speaker 4: the American people want to put behind them. They should

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Speaker 4: be talking about the crisis of today that the American.

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Speaker 1: It was five years ago.

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Speaker 2: Here's an email, Hey Jesse, My dad was admitted to

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Speaker 2: the hospital in April of twenty twenty and Huntsville, Alabama

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Speaker 2: because of metastatic stomach cancer. During his time in the hospital,

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Speaker 2: nobody was allowed to see him because of COVID protocols.

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Speaker 2: He was alone with only medical staff when he was

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Speaker 2: told that the feeding tube they put in him wasn't

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Speaker 2: working and he was going to die. We were allowed

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Speaker 2: to hold funeral services for him a few weeks later,

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Speaker 2: but the military wouldn't send anyone to give him a

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Speaker 2: military funeral honors because of COVID protocols. My dad served

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Speaker 2: twenty seven years in the army. It was the thing

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Speaker 2: Thanks for sharing this. My name is Aerin, but it

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Speaker 2: was five years ago. It was five years ago, Hey Jesse. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so she says, I don't want to take up too

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Speaker 2: much space, but COVID took my grandma on my dad's

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Speaker 2: didn't get the shop, but was in a nursing home

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Speaker 2: absolutely not. My dad and his siblings brought her home

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Speaker 2: to my aunt's house and we see firsthand the bruises

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Speaker 2: she had from the nursing home. We weren't allowed to

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Speaker 2: see her when COVID first hit. She didn't understand it.

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Speaker 2: She had Parkinson's and could barely speak. She passed away

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Speaker 2: two weeks later in my aunt's home. That was November

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Speaker 2: of twenty twenty. My grandpa passed away in November of

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Speaker 2: stand up from his bed, fell to the floor instantly.

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Speaker 2: He died alone, face down, and I never got to

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Speaker 2: say goodbye. My son and him were best buds and

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Speaker 2: I hate it that we have to live without him.

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Speaker 2: I miss him every day. Thank you for all you do.

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Speaker 2: And if this gets to the air, says, I can

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Speaker 2: say her name or name is Ashley. Now listen to

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Speaker 2: Bill Deblasio.

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Speaker 4: And Fauci was, thank god, someone who actually knew something

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Speaker 4: many other folks in the administration. But I think the

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Speaker 4: bottom line here is Trump once again and the Republicans

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Speaker 4: own way, Caitlin. They should not be talking about something

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Speaker 4: that happened five years ago.

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Speaker 2: Bill Deblasio isn't defending Fauci's defending himself. These people who

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Speaker 2: participated in this horror to watch the bloom fall off

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Speaker 2: the rose for Fauci means the bloom has fallen off

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Speaker 2: the rose for themselves. Yesterday was a very important day

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Speaker 2: that Fauci stuff went national. This is the defensive coordinator

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Speaker 2: of the Philadelphia Eagles at a press conference yesterday.

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Speaker 5: The plan at safety is at Marcus Java loose.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna be like Fauci and just take the Fifth

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Speaker 3: Amendment on out questions.

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Speaker 2: Did you guys say that?

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Speaker 5: Oh my god, what was the question?

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Speaker 2: It broke containment. The country saw, they saw the disgraced

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Speaker 2: little man, and now the Lawrence O'Donnell's, the Bill of

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Speaker 2: de Blasio's and so many other people. They are the

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Speaker 2: ones exposed. They are the ones who look terrible. Hey, Jess,

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Speaker 2: you mentioned you have family in Ohio. If you're ever

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Speaker 2: in Pittsburgh and want to literally we don't use that word,

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Speaker 2: play a tall shadow in an all veteran cast and

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Speaker 2: crew Western. Hit me up, Chris, I'm gonna be a

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Speaker 2: movie star.

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Speaker 1: What what are you? What?

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Speaker 2: Chris said? I don't know how big the role is.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's minor. It's not gonna be minor when I

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Speaker 2: take it. Listen, Chris, There's been all kinds of stories

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Speaker 2: in Hollywood history of just an extra on a show

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Speaker 2: turning out to be a star. He starts out as

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Speaker 2: an extra. What happens? I mean, sure, I'm in the background,

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Speaker 2: been given permission, and the director says, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 2: this guy's amazing. Who is this? Let's make him a star.

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Speaker 2: I bet I could see it, Chris, I certainly have

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Speaker 2: to look for it. You don't, Hey, Jesse, thank you

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Speaker 2: so it says you're welcome. I don't even know what

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Speaker 2: I did, but I'm sure it was something awesome. Thank

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Speaker 2: you to Trump for this.

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Speaker 6: We've already removed more than twenty four thousand non English

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Speaker 6: speakers from behind the wheel. We've also forced stags to cancer,

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Speaker 6: more than twenty eight thousand commercial drivers' licenses unlawfully issued

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Speaker 6: to illegal alien Jay.

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Speaker 1: Were love it.

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Speaker 2: Did you hear did you hear what Jasmin Crocktt said?

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Speaker 2: I mean, this Jasmine c.

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Speaker 1: She is a gift. She really is a gift.

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Speaker 2: I've told you, I'm really mad that she's leaving the house.

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Speaker 2: Now we're going to get the same vote because it's

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Speaker 2: some new scumbag who's going to represent that scumback district.

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Speaker 2: But she was wonderful for us because she's such a toxic, toxic,

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Speaker 2: poisonous person. She was always making Democrats look terrible and

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Speaker 2: she just says the dumbest things and the most insulting things.

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Speaker 2: She'll go to public in public and say.

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Speaker 7: This young black woman was telling me that her dad,

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Speaker 7: a black man, who was like, I can't vote for Kamala.

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Speaker 7: He was like, if I go vote, it's gonna be

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Speaker 7: for Trump. And she asked him, I know, right, And

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Speaker 7: I asked, I said, did he vote?

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Speaker 1: She was like, I don't know. I don't want to ask.

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Speaker 7: But nevertheless, one of the things that she said was

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Speaker 7: my dad said he could trust he could trust Trump,

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Speaker 7: And I was like, really.

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Speaker 2: Toxic listen, and then she just makes stuff up. This

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Speaker 2: is very common in the in the poisonous sectors of

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Speaker 2: the black community in America. We've talked about this before,

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Speaker 2: how poisonous it is that you just make stuff up.

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Speaker 2: You know, we we built America and all this ridiculous stuff.

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Speaker 2: We landed on the moon first, you say things.

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Speaker 7: Like that number one, when they decided to go after

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Speaker 7: quote unquote dei black women the most educated demographic in

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Speaker 2: Somehow, what are black women the most educated demographic in America? Ah,

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Speaker 2: I'm probably gonna guess that's the Asians. What Chris, It's

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Speaker 2: gotta be the Asians, you know how good they are

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Speaker 2: at school and Jesse, sometimes you just have a hankering.

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Speaker 2: After you bringing up red lobster shrimps, I just have

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Speaker 2: to have some since I can't afford the high society

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Speaker 2: of red lobster. I went to a nice little Italian

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Speaker 2: place where they always treat you like family. I am

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Speaker 2: dis made to report that the plate of scampy served

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Speaker 2: to me had a total of five smallest shrimps tossed

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Speaker 2: in among the angel heir, pasta and sauce. When did

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Speaker 2: it come to this and they only brought me two breadsticks.

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Speaker 2: When did Chris get in the restaurant franchise business?

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Speaker 1: That is all.

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Speaker 2: I'm a shrimp man, all right. I love shrimp. I

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Speaker 2: love shrimp scampy, black and shrimp. I am a shrimp guy.

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Speaker 2: The problem with shrimp is it's almost impossible to fill

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Speaker 2: up on shrimp. The other night, the reason this is

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Speaker 2: near and dear to my heart. The other night, Bob

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Speaker 2: says she's making shrimp scampy for dinner. I wasn't scampy.

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Speaker 2: I take the back, some kind of garlic shrimp. I'm

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Speaker 2: sure it was like shrimp scampy. The reason I don't

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Speaker 2: know what it was like is, kid you not. She

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Speaker 2: made two pounds of shrimp. I think she steamed it,

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Speaker 2: or two pounds of shrimp. By the time I walked

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Speaker 2: in the door, the boys had eaten all of it.

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Speaker 2: I didn't get a single one, not a single shrimp.

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Speaker 2: There's something about those things, Chris. You people can't even

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Speaker 2: eat them, so you don't know what it's like. There's

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Speaker 2: something about these things.

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Speaker 1: Well, you've had it before. I didn't want to give

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Speaker 1: that away on the ear. I wouldn't want to embarrass

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Speaker 1: you anyway.

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Speaker 2: There's something about these shrimp. They just disappear, no matter

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Speaker 2: what it is. Speaking of disappearing. Little interesting story out

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Speaker 2: from the CIA wearing shorts to work. World War three

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Speaker 2: is the Jesse Kelly Show on a wonderful, wonderful Thursday.

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Speaker 2: Member tomorrow is ask doctor Jesse Friday. Get your questions

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Speaker 2: emailed in right now to Jesse at Jesse kellyshow dot com.

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Speaker 2: I will continue to say this AI. I know you're

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Speaker 2: frustrated by nervous about it. If you're not you're not

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Speaker 2: a human being. And we can disagree on how big

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Speaker 2: and pervasive it's going to be. But there are a

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Speaker 2: few of these AI companies out there. The worst salesman

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Speaker 2: for AI are the guys who lead these companies. They

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Speaker 2: should outsource the selling of AI to someone else. This

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Speaker 2: is Sam Altman, He's the CEO of Open AI.

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Speaker 1: This is not This is not good.

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Speaker 8: I know, I feel kind of bad about it because

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Speaker 8: we have this like genius level at everything intelligence sitting

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Speaker 8: there like waiting to unravel the mysteries of humanity. And

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Speaker 8: I'm like, why does my kids stop dropping his pizza

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Speaker 8: on the floor and laughing? Yeah, you know, And so

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Speaker 8: I feel like I'm not asking a good enough question,

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Speaker 8: but it is I don't I cannot imagine having gone

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Speaker 8: through that, like figuring out how to raise a newborn

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Speaker 8: without Chatti. Clearly people did it for a long time,

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Speaker 2: What I could not imagine raised a newborn without chat GPT.

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Speaker 2: Do you know how terrible that makes you sound? It's

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Speaker 2: She is classified as an Epstein survivor. I don't have

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Speaker 8: Can you give us something exam?

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Speaker 9: Instead, it was like, you have an Epstein problem.

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Speaker 1: This guy should be quaking in his booths. This was Fauci.

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Speaker 6: But I am very happy to testify before any Congressional

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Speaker 2: all right, Brandon Wickert's gonna tell us about Iran next

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Speaker 1: Show on a Wonderful Thursday.

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Speaker 2: Member tomorrow is ask doctor Jesse Friday, and you need

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Speaker 2: Jesse kellyshow dot com. So I promised you Brandon Wickert,

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Speaker 1: Brandon.

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Speaker 2: Before we get going, why don't you go ahead and

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Speaker 2: give out your substack because I think it's outstanding. What

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Speaker 5: Well, thank you. I just started about a month ago.

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Speaker 2: All right, So Brandon, the reason I reached out today

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Speaker 2: But apparently Trump had a quote explosive meeting with his advisors,

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Speaker 5: Well, unfortunately, President Trump has gotten himself, not unlike George W. Bush,

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Speaker 5: Did we degrade certain Iranian capabilities? Absolutely? Did we set

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Speaker 2: Okay, Brandon, So let's just I get this email question

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Speaker 2: You mentioned that we can't just walk away because then

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Speaker 5: I think that's exactly what we should do at this point.

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Speaker 5: But I'm saying the president. The President doesn't want to

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Speaker 1: Now, sorry, go ahead, though, no, no, no, it's fine.

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Speaker 1: Actually that kind of goes where I was going with it.

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Speaker 2: But then you know, you know Trump, He's Donald Trump,

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Speaker 5: movement internationally, and that basically will be gone. And the

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Speaker 5: reason one of the main reasons the US was allowed

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Speaker 5: to become the global hedgemon, particularly after the Cold War,

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Speaker 5: but also after World War Two to some degree, was

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Speaker 5: because the rest of the world said, Okay, the US

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Speaker 5: Navy will ensure freedom of navigation in all these hot spots.

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Speaker 5: That means trade will flow, that means everybody will get rich. Okay,

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Speaker 5: we will use the dollar, We'll do business according to

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Speaker 5: the American way. But if the US Navy can no

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Speaker 5: longer allow, it can no longer accomplish that mission, not

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Speaker 5: at least believably, then new calculations are made by everyone,

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Speaker 5: and that's the end of the US led order as

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Speaker 5: we understand it. And I think Trump is very sensitive

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Speaker 5: to being seen as the last president of that order,

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Speaker 5: and I think that's one of the reasons. I think

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Speaker 5: the other reason is I think the president is very

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Speaker 5: close to Netsan Yaho. Not just politically, I think he's

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Speaker 5: very close to nets In Yahoo personally. The Israelis clearly

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Speaker 5: do not want this war to end in any way

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Speaker 5: that the Islamic Republic will continue on, and so they're

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Speaker 5: more than happy to see us, at the very least

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Speaker 5: engaged in another endless war, because then the pressure will

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Speaker 5: always be on the Islamic Republic as the Israelis assess.

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Speaker 5: And Trump listens to NETANYAHUO, he buys in to a

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Speaker 5: lot of the things Netanyah who tells him, which is

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Speaker 5: one of the reasons we're in this war to begin with.

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Speaker 5: So I think those are the two main reasons for

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Speaker 5: why he is at the strategic level unwilling to walk away.

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Speaker 5: I think there's there's a third reason real quick. And

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Speaker 5: I think that's also the fact that you know it's Trump.

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Speaker 5: He doesn't want people to people will hold this against him.

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Speaker 5: I know he may in another way try to get

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Speaker 5: out by saying I want even if he didn't, and

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Speaker 5: that is the old Trump we all knew. But I

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Speaker 5: think this situation is so big and everybody's paying so

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Speaker 5: close attention to it. I think Trump is aware he

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Speaker 5: can't just declare victory and come home. He's going to

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Speaker 5: have a on his face and he doesn't want to

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Speaker 5: have to deal with that. So you got the ego

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Speaker 5: factor as well.

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Speaker 1: Speaking with Brandon Weikert, we are going.

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Speaker 2: To take a quick break and we are going to

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Speaker 2: come back with more of this. It's just too good.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to keep him around for a while. Hang on,

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Speaker 2: we are back with Brandon Weikert. Remember his substack, as

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Speaker 2: you can imagine, it's really really good. The Whykert brief.

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Speaker 2: I would check it out if I were you. Brandon, Okay,

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Speaker 2: so let me go. I already asked you a question.

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Speaker 2: I get a lot. Why not just leave you laid

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Speaker 2: that out for us. Let me ask you the flip

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Speaker 2: side of this. Because I get emails from an all

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Speaker 2: over map on it. It's not hard to hate the

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Speaker 2: Iranian regimes, not hard to say, Hey, they've been killing us.

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Speaker 1: For a while, screw them.

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Speaker 2: Why don't we just quote finish the job. I get

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Speaker 2: that email all the time.

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Speaker 1: Finish the job. Finish the job.

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Speaker 2: So I know that's probably not your preference, but if

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Speaker 2: it was, can we do it?

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Speaker 1: What does finish the job look like?

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Speaker 5: I think you, of all people with your background in

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Speaker 5: the military, I think you know that is such a

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Speaker 5: tall order given the limitations. After twenty five plus years

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Speaker 5: of constant warfare, the US military is not at its

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Speaker 5: peak performance. You've had not only twenty five years of

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Speaker 5: constant warfare. But you've had the gutting of a lot

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Speaker 5: of top leaders during the Obama years, replaced with these

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Speaker 5: DEI people You've had even during the end of the

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Speaker 5: I would say during the Biden years also, you had

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Speaker 5: a lot of COVID people. You know, a lot of

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Speaker 5: the leaders that would have led us well were forced

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Speaker 5: out because they didn't want to take the vaccines during COVID,

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Speaker 5: and not all of them have been brought back. In

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Speaker 5: contrary to with the Pentagon claims today, they've not been

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Speaker 5: made whole. So the point is is that you have

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Speaker 5: a lot of issues, and not to mention the arsenal depletion,

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Speaker 5: not to mention the fact that the military just is

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Speaker 5: not as as robust as it once was because of

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Speaker 5: all of the operational tempo they've been made to sustain

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Speaker 5: since nine to eleven. Really, the military is not what

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Speaker 5: it once was, and it really needs, I would say,

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Speaker 5: about a decade of no constant warfare, of just rebuilding

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Speaker 5: before we could even think about doing what some of

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Speaker 5: your viewers or listeners are saying. Because basically, when somebody

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Speaker 5: says finished the job in a country like Iran where

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Speaker 5: the regime is dug in like a tick. It's going

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Speaker 5: to require more than the bombardment that we did. It's

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Speaker 5: going to require also ground troops. And nobody really wants that,

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Speaker 5: least of all me. And I don't think the President

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Speaker 5: really want. I think he'd do it. I think he

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Speaker 5: might do some ground attack in a limited fashion near

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Speaker 5: the strait of Horn Moose. But to actually quote finish

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Speaker 5: the job that implies regime change. He can't regime change

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Speaker 5: by air war alone. We tried that. It was supposed

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Speaker 5: to be a ninety six hour air war that ended

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Speaker 5: in the overthrow of the Iyatolas. It did not work.

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Speaker 5: Now almost six months into this thing with no end

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Speaker 5: in sight. So if you want to finish the job,

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Speaker 5: it means really finishing the job. It means you have

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Speaker 5: to somehow have a ground force that can mass, that

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Speaker 5: can have the time it needs to get the logistical

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Speaker 5: supply chain in place to sustain, and invasion has to

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Speaker 5: be willing to take a lot of losses up front.

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Speaker 5: We're not there yet. We're not there ever, I don't think,

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Speaker 5: and so there is no way to fin I mean,

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Speaker 5: the only other thing I can think of is nukes.

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Speaker 5: And while I don't discount the possibility that we might

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Speaker 5: drop a B sixty one on Pickaxe Mountain. I also

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Speaker 5: don't believe at all that the US military or the

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Speaker 5: President are going to go along with an idea of

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Speaker 5: dropping nukes elsewhere in Iran. I don't think we're there yet.

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Speaker 5: But those are really the only two ways I can

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Speaker 5: think of, because we already tried the regime change not

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Speaker 5: only by air, but regime change by popular overthrow, and

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Speaker 5: the popular overthrow never came right, so and the people

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Speaker 5: who could have done that on the ground were all

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Speaker 5: wiped out or arrested already, so they've been broken up

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Speaker 5: by the regime back in January. So there's nobody on

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Speaker 5: the ground really that's organized enough and that has the

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Speaker 5: popular support to do a regime change on their own.

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Speaker 5: And so here we are. Do we invade the country

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Speaker 5: that's insane? Or do we drop a nuke? I mean,

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Speaker 5: what do we do to finish the job? We can't

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Speaker 5: finish the job the way I think a lot of

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Speaker 5: those boomers probably that you're talking to, are saying we should,

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Speaker 5: because let's face it, most of the people run in

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Speaker 5: the country are boomers, and they have no idea what

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Speaker 5: reality is. They're completely insulated from it again.

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Speaker 2: Speaking with Brandon Wikert, I'm going to pause with him

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Speaker 2: for just a second.

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Speaker 1: Would be right back with him.

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Speaker 2: I want to remind you, speaking of military stuff, speaking

569
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Speaker 2: of warrior culture, I'm going to remind you that zero

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Speaker 2: Foxtrot that's what they do. Whatever you're looking for, stuff

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Speaker 2: that's rooted in real military history. You want some. You

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Speaker 2: want a Willoby blanket, they got it. You want one

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Speaker 2: They have it all at zero Foxtrot. Not cheesy garbage,

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Speaker 2: patriotic gear that falls apart in phrase in five seconds.

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Speaker 2: Real stuff that you'll use. I've been beaten the crap

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Speaker 2: out of mine. It's awesome. Zero foxtrot dot com code

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Speaker 2: Jesse gets you twenty percent off zero foxtrot dot com

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Speaker 2: code Jesse. All right, Brandon, back to you, and we've

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Speaker 2: only got about two and a half minutes left, and

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Speaker 2: then I'm gonna beg you to actually stay for one more,

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Speaker 2: but Pickaxe Mountain, can you give me the two minutes

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Speaker 2: on Pickaxe Mountain. I've referenced it on the show, but

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Speaker 2: a lot of people are.

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Speaker 5: Like, what, yeah, yeah, So basically it's one of the

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Speaker 5: deepest military facilities in the world. They began the Iranians

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Speaker 5: began construction on it in twenty twenty because they looked

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Speaker 5: around and said, the Americans might be able to destroy

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Speaker 5: our other nuclear facilities. They've built weapons specific for knocking

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Speaker 5: them down. We're gonna build a system of facility. I've

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Speaker 5: been liking it, liking it to the Death Star from

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Speaker 5: Star Wars. You know, it's like Return of the Jedi

595
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Speaker 5: at the end there. It's not complete, it's still under construction.

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Speaker 5: But once it's fully armed and operational, it will be

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Speaker 5: able to basically complet deletely mass produced nuclear weapons, store them,

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Speaker 5: and it will be nearly impossible for all. But you know,

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Speaker 5: any of our non nuclear bombs will be very difficult

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Speaker 5: for those systems to hit, which is why I mentioned

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Speaker 5: earlier the B sixty one eleven, which is a ground

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Speaker 5: penetrating tactical nuke. That's really the only system we have

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Speaker 5: that could collapse that thing. But right now it's still

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Speaker 5: not yet fully constructed is rarely intelligence and saying it's

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Speaker 5: already complete, and they're already storing the blessed nuclear dust

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Speaker 5: there that Trump keeps talking about. But the bottom line

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Speaker 5: is it's a very important facility. Once it is fully operational,

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Speaker 5: you know, basically all it will be the epicenter of

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Speaker 5: Iran's nuclear weapons program. And it's there's some argument as

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Speaker 5: to whether it is operation, which is why they're targeting

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Speaker 5: it now because they think if they can get it

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Speaker 5: before it goes operational, it'll basically ncap the Iranian nuclear

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Speaker 5: production capability for years. But you know, theo is it's

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Speaker 5: very hard to get to. We don't have enough of

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Speaker 5: those massive ordinance penetrators anymore. There's only about probably a

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Speaker 5: half a dozen left in our arsenal. We needed fourteen

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Speaker 5: of those things to hit the nuclear sites we hit

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Speaker 5: last year in the Twelve day war. We're gonna need

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Speaker 5: a lot more than just six. So unless we're gonna

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Speaker 5: use a B sixty one eleven, I don't know what

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Speaker 5: the expectations. But that's why everybody's talking about it, because

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Speaker 5: it's like the epicenter, and it's the most advanced nuclear

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Speaker 5: weapons development and storage site in the Islamic Republic today.

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Speaker 2: Brandon, you can say no, because I didn't even ask you,

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Speaker 2: and I'm sorry, but I haven't even asked about Russia,

626
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Speaker 2: what they're doing with this stuff, China, why they're doing

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Speaker 2: Do you have the ten more minutes for me?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, I got ten more minutes.

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Speaker 2: Oh awesome, All right, Brandon Weikert. The Wykert brief is

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Speaker 2: his sub stack. We are going to rewrite back to

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Speaker 2: clear the rest of this up.

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Speaker 1: Hangou,