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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Doctor Wendy Wall Show on KFI

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Speaker 1: AM six forty live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I promised you this is going to be a little

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Speaker 1: bit of heavy segment. It's one that's hard for me

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Speaker 1: to think about as a mother of daughters. My guest

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Speaker 1: is doctor Lois Lee, the founder of an organization I'm

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Speaker 1: sure you're quite familiar with, Children of the Night, America's

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Speaker 1: first and most acclaimed nonprofit social services agency dedicated solely

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Speaker 1: to the rescue, stabilization, and education of children who have

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Speaker 1: been working as prostitutes. Doctor Lois Lee, thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: You know, the first thing I have to get out

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Speaker 1: of the way is I have been trained and taught

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Speaker 1: not to use the word child prostitute, but instead to

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Speaker 1: use the words a traffic sex trafficked children. But you

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Speaker 1: don't use that term. Can you explain why.

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Speaker 2: Well, the kids don't use it, the children I work with,

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Speaker 2: the young people I work with, don't And if I

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Speaker 2: was talking about it, they'd never call me because they

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Speaker 2: don't see how that relates to them at all. They say,

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Speaker 2: quite frankly, they feel that it's a word that glamorizes

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Speaker 2: what happened to them, and there was nothing glamorous about

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Speaker 2: what happened to them. They prostituted, they were forced to

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Speaker 2: do it, and it was demeaning and it was awful,

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Speaker 2: and they just they feel like it's also a way

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Speaker 2: And what happened was that I had trained thousands of

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Speaker 2: vice cops across the country, and then I trained a

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Speaker 2: lot of DOJ and FAI agents and it became a

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Speaker 2: sex trafficking issue through Janet Reno in a town hall

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Speaker 2: meeting when we met, and I told her that her

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Speaker 2: people or federal people, refuse to prosecute cases against pamps.

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Speaker 2: At that time, on a federal level, the locals were

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Speaker 2: doing it, but on the federal level we wanted it

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Speaker 2: because the sentences were so much longer. And she said,

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Speaker 2: you give me the I'm going to give you my

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Speaker 2: private facts, and you give me the name of anybody

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Speaker 2: it's not working for not helping you. And I did.

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Speaker 2: And boys, she'd set people out and moved the government

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Speaker 2: like just moved them into action, and they thought they

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Speaker 2: were going to set up, you know, a child prostitution problem.

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Speaker 2: They thought they'd found a gold mine, so to speak,

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Speaker 2: and went back to Washington. And what they found They

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Speaker 2: got millions and millions, millions of dollars from Congress. And

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Speaker 2: what they found is there were not that many prostitutes here.

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Speaker 2: There's one hundred thousand, two hundred thousand that doesn't care

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Speaker 2: prostitutes well, but not for the millions and millions and

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Speaker 2: millions and millions and millions of dollars they got.

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Speaker 1: So where did they put the money? And they pardon,

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Speaker 1: where'd they put the money? If they raised all this

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Speaker 2: Put the money in the programs for young children who

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Speaker 2: are for children who were pregnant maternity homes. The other

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Speaker 2: thing is the term sex traffic They couldn't get professionals

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Speaker 2: to come work with prostituted children. But if they changed

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Speaker 2: the term to sex trafficking, then it was it was

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Speaker 2: power football to professionals. And they did a lot of

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Speaker 2: heavy handed stuff which needed to be done. For instance,

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Speaker 2: they forced them they changed the law in twenty eighteen

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Speaker 2: and forced the Department of Children's Services to provide services

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Speaker 2: to these kids. Because when I started forty six years ago,

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Speaker 2: they flat out refused to do anything.

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Speaker 1: So there were crafter you rescued these children, You couldn't

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Speaker 2: Oh no, I couldn't even if I couldn't even get

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Speaker 2: them in jail. At that point, I went to judges

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Speaker 2: And they said, no, we can't do that because they're

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Speaker 2: not crimes against property and they're only hurting themselves and

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Speaker 2: it does not justify or warrant spending taxpayers funds on them.

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Speaker 2: So there were literally no services for these kids. And

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Speaker 2: so that's why I created Children of the Night. I

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Speaker 2: resources and building a program for them. You could imagine,

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Speaker 2: for like almost four over forty years, I was taking

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Speaker 2: There was no oversight, nobody wanted them, nobody bothered and

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Speaker 2: these children, they're considered repugnant and heartbreaking, heartbreaking, I said,

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Speaker 2: I ran a sex trafficking hotline. Not one of the

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Speaker 2: turned away by those organizations case after case because they're not,

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Speaker 2: like children. But they're not like then, I said, little

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Speaker 1: I'm sure. So let's talk about Children of the Night.

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Speaker 1: So Children of the Night has employees and vans and

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Speaker 1: they go out at night and try to encourage kids

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Speaker 2: Well, we rescued over seventeen thousand kids. We don't just rescue.

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Speaker 2: We rescue, we stabilize that, we educate, and we have

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Speaker 2: we're the only real hotline that knows what to do,

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Speaker 2: and this answers the phone twenty four to seven for

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Speaker 2: Because you have to remember, these girls are out there,

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Speaker 2: if we can get them into an uber, then we

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Speaker 1: And where do where are these safe locations? Like how

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Speaker 1: do you where do you put them?

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Speaker 1: Is it in foster care? And what kind of stabilization program?

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Speaker 2: And that's they mandated that. The federal government mandated that

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Speaker 2: it's not really an appropriate resource for them because these

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Speaker 2: are tough kids. And what do you do put them

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Speaker 2: on a foster's prome at four o'clock in the morning

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Speaker 2: So it's not a good workable program, but there are

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Speaker 2: resurf us again, and we will use that system to

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Speaker 2: and so then it's a matter we do have. We

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Speaker 2: use domestic violence shelters a lot because they have the

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Speaker 2: same protocol as we had when we were running our home.

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Speaker 2: But our home is for children, and so now we

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Speaker 2: can't do that because of these new laws, which is okay.

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Speaker 2: So but we get them closed with the medical treatment,

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Speaker 2: we get them a plane ticket. By the time they

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Speaker 2: everything's been shipped to them, shipped for them through Amazon.

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Speaker 2: Thank God for Amazon. And we say that all the

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Speaker 2: time because it allows us to move very quickly, rather

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Speaker 2: Zoom tutoring program. We tutor for the is a GED,

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Speaker 2: We teach the tests, and we sponsor a high school

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Speaker 2: graduation every year when we fly them out. They get

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Speaker 1: Goodness amazing.

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Speaker 2: Even if you go to the children the Night website

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Speaker 1: Go to do a quick break kids that were Doctor Lee.

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Speaker 1: This is so interesting. We have to go to a

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Speaker 1: quick break before we do. I want to make sure

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Speaker 1: that we say the phone number out a few times.

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Speaker 1: If you want to reach out to Children of the Night.

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Speaker 1: The numbers one eight hundred five five one thirteen hundred

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Speaker 1: Wendywall Show, the home stretch of the Doctor Wendywall Show

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Speaker 1: on kf I am six forty. My guest is doctor

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Speaker 1: Lois Lee, founder of Children of the Night. It's an

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Speaker 1: organization I am sure you have heard of because it's

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Speaker 1: dedicated solely to the rescue of child prostitutes across the

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Speaker 1: United States, Doctor Lee, Before we talk about your podcast,

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Speaker 1: I want to know about what made you create this organization.

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Speaker 1: You were only twenty five years old and you were

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Speaker 1: in graduate school and how did this all come about?

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Speaker 2: Well, I was seeing the police for not arresting customers

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Speaker 2: And I met a young woman who was a heroin

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Speaker 2: She changed trick houses wings in the car out there.

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Speaker 2: It was awful. So I just I went on the

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Speaker 2: news and I said, if you're involved in the prostitut

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Speaker 2: business and you think you know that the Hillside stranglers don't,

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Speaker 2: and you don't want to talk to cop, don't call them,

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Speaker 2: call me. And thank god for ABC, NBC and KFWB.

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Speaker 2: They gave me full time reporters and we ran with

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Speaker 2: the tips from my home phone because that's where they came.

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Speaker 2: The calls came in and I refused to work with

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Speaker 2: putting together the key witnesses to prosecute them, and I too,

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Speaker 2: testified as an expert witness. So that changed my life.

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Speaker 2: That took me from the lush of the Ivory Tower

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Speaker 2: into the streets and I began to find twelve and

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Speaker 2: thirteen eleven year old kids and the police go, nah,

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Speaker 1: And you know, so heartbreaking work. So you decided this

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I've been doing this for forty six years.

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Speaker 2: I said, what do you tell your kids? And you know,

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Speaker 1: And all the money that you raise for Children of

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Speaker 1: I recently saw the interview and interview on YouTube I

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Speaker 2: Just go to Children Ofthnight dot org the website and

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Speaker 1: Children Offthnight dot org. As we head into the holiday season,

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Speaker 1: a place for your holiday giving. Doctor Lois Lee, thank

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Speaker 1: excited to listen to the podcast again. It's the Doctor

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