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Speaker 2: Two minutes twenty nine seconds past three o'clock Central daylight time,

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Speaker 2: we welcome you back to a Thursday edition of the

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Speaker 2: Bumper to Bumper program on a fairly warm, fairly moist

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Speaker 2: Thursday afternoon here in October in the twin cities of

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Speaker 2: Minneapolis and Saint Paul. My name is Dan Barrero, host

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Speaker 2: of the program, guards he produces the show, and we

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Speaker 2: are going till six today?

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Speaker 1: Is that correct?

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Speaker 2: Six o'clock three hour tour Gilligan's Island like three hour

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Speaker 2: tour today. Vikings programming will, of course, as this tradition,

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Speaker 2: follow us powerpack broadcast before you start to finish. I

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Speaker 2: don't think there's any doubt about that. It'll include at

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Speaker 2: the bottom of this hour the redoubtable Sean Salisbury and

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Speaker 2: then doctor Dan's inbox is scheduled.

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Speaker 1: To be opened at.

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Speaker 2: Four point thirty today as well. The five o'clock hour

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Speaker 2: will include perhaps May section stuff. Kessler, by the way,

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Speaker 2: is still on vacation. That's why we've not had him

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Speaker 2: on this week. I haven't even heard from him. I Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm a little worried. Is he Okay?

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I hope he didn't, like, try to pick a fight

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Speaker 3: He wouldn't be that. Well, he's fighting with everybody, I know.

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Speaker 3: That's what worries me. I don't know he could.

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Speaker 2: I just don't think it'd be smart to pick a

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Speaker 2: fight with the Pontiff. I'm guessing security would be pretty tight,

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Speaker 2: don't you think. Yes, Plus, he's he's our guy, right,

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Speaker 2: he's Midwest. Well, yeah, exactly, that's what I mean. It's

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Speaker 2: close enough for me. You're one of those Minnesotans who

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Speaker 2: bristles at pretending Midwesterners, whether they come from Chicago area

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Speaker 2: You're one of those big distinction a little upper Midwest.

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Speaker 1: No, we're not Midwestern. Don't even do Chicago.

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Speaker 3: I didn't realize that. So I'm looking at Kessie's Twitter, Okay,

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Speaker 3: as X. The last time he tweeted was September twenty ninth,

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Speaker 3: and it was actually a response to me. So September

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Speaker 3: twenty ninth, that was Monday. I think, well, maybe he's

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Speaker 3: doing this the healthy thing. He's shutting it down sake

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Speaker 3: of the vacation. His earlier tweets, not only was he

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Speaker 3: not shutting it down, he was so connected.

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Speaker 1: So he's got you.

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Speaker 2: Think he tweeted something that that raised freaky mcfree's got

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Speaker 2: him in trouble, sent him to the principal's office.

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Speaker 3: So he's tweeting from underneath the pope's balcony. Then he writes,

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Speaker 3: September twenty seventh, are we the only ones? And I

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Speaker 3: missed this? This is nice? Are we the only ones?

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Speaker 3: Watching the Fox nine Gopher football pregame show at a

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Speaker 3: sidewalk cafe en Rome? And there's Pierre, there's Ron, and

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Speaker 3: there's me on his eyes show. That's very nice getting

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Speaker 3: ready for Gophers Rutgers. He's got the coliseum.

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Speaker 1: No, but I would just have concentrated that, you know,

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Speaker 1: I might. I love you.

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Speaker 3: Well, you're not a fan, No, that's true. I'm not

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Speaker 3: a super fan, as Gerby would say, Yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 1: And then.

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Speaker 3: I had tweeted that the news that Bad Bunny will

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Speaker 3: be the halftime performer for the Super Bowl in Santa Clara.

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Speaker 3: Bad Bunny, Bad bunny yep, And I wrote, already been

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Speaker 3: declared a great show by Pat Kessler, because that's what

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Speaker 3: he does, right the second that it starts, he's got

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Speaker 3: to let everybody know that he thinks the halftime show

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Speaker 3: And his response was great, but not his greatest, Prince

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Speaker 3: the greatest halftime show.

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Speaker 1: And that was three days ago. And that's it.

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Speaker 3: And we haven't heard from him in three days, so

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Speaker 3: I don't know. Maybe he's back. I don't know how

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Speaker 3: long it was going. We don't have any very many

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Speaker 3: kidnappings anymore. Do we have American tourists in Italy? I

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Speaker 3: think we have more than you want to know. Well,

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Speaker 3: we had him back in the day, we used to.

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Speaker 2: I think going back to this, there were there there

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Speaker 1: So we'll see, we'll see if anyway, haven't heard from

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Speaker 2: I have a number of questions for you, in particular

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Speaker 2: as it pertains to the simmering WNBA war between the

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Speaker 2: It is forty nine ers at RAMS and your guy

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Speaker 2: pretty not going to start. It's Jones again. Yeah, they

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Speaker 2: don't have anybody out of New England. Niners are three

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Speaker 2: I the problem is I I don't think I did

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Speaker 2: a good enough job coming up with the proper alliteration.

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Speaker 2: When I say Darnald development, I don't mean developments in

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Speaker 2: because we like doing that with quarterbacks. What would have

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Speaker 3: did we do last year? We did Donald dwellings. I

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Speaker 3: think I'm procuring dwellings. Okay, I can't remember. This Development's

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Speaker 2: And I bring it up because I'm curious if how

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Speaker 2: Here's the headline because it's all about us. The story

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Speaker 2: far too early to question the Vikings quarterback decision, but

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Speaker 2: have you seen Sam Darnold? And Sando then sets it

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Speaker 2: But he's got some research, some reportage in this piece

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Speaker 2: He notes that well, he's already noting that the Vikings

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Speaker 1: You remember we were fourteen three last year. Correct.

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Speaker 2: We had two veteran quarterbacks on our roster last year.

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Speaker 2: One was named Sam Darnold, the other Daniel Jones. He

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Speaker 2: Now starting Carson Wentz with McCarthy out hurt suffering an

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Speaker 2: so far that he's capable of playing that way soon,

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Speaker 2: which again would be fine, except this team won fourteen

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Speaker 2: and is spending, according to over the Cap, a league

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Speaker 2: this season. That's like five years worth of payroll for

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Speaker 2: two games. So here's the nugget that got my attention.

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Speaker 2: The twenty twenty four Vikings were one of ninety seven

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Speaker 2: teams since the nineteen seventy AFL NFL merger to win

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Speaker 2: according to Pro Football Reference. We are one of ninety

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Speaker 2: The nineteen ninety eight Denver Broncos, who were fourteen to two,

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Speaker 2: of the remaining ninety six teams, ninety four of the

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Speaker 2: I should say they're starting quarterbacks in some capacity. There

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we moved on. We didn't believe it.

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Speaker 2: You could say we've been vindicated because he never started

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Speaker 1: We won one with Cousins, didn't we?

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Speaker 2: I had to think about it. In New Orleans, New Orleans, yep,

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Speaker 1: Remember him? How can you forget Jeff George? Never will

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Speaker 2: So when you put it in that historical context, does

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Speaker 1: He admits too early to second guess. It's not over

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Speaker 2: about this. Dropping an affordable young quarterback onto a loaded

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Speaker 2: He notes, the Vikings this year were in no such

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Speaker 2: They joined the twenty sixteen Denver Broncos as the only

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Speaker 2: great choices because Peyton Manning had retired. Denver led backup

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Speaker 2: Traded up to draft somebody named Paxton Lynch. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: that didn't work out very well. Not ready to play

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Speaker 2: Now there's more history here, but I'm fascinated that I

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Speaker 3: That's probably why it didn't phase us. Maybe that's true

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Speaker 2: Maybe you will recall this in the Mike Sandos story

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Speaker 2: When the Vikings were winning with Donald last season, I asked,

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Speaker 2: just how well Darnald was playing. The coach thought there

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Speaker 2: He dropped the three quarters delivery end quote. Again. Look,

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Speaker 2: it's water under the bridge, as the cliche goes, it's

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Speaker 2: The Darnald deal. The year he played for US, right,

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Speaker 2: So if we'd let's say we'd have given him two

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Speaker 2: get to some commentary on this particular juicy subject from

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Speaker 2: Shawn Salisbury. Get into some other stuff as well, help

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Speaker 1: How have you been, sir?

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Speaker 4: I'm doing very well. Dan, thank you. I'm glad.

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Speaker 2: I hope you really get a little bit of get

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Speaker 2: And it's just fascinating to me that it's your former club,

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Speaker 2: The Vikings are the teams that this is the same

439
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Speaker 2: franchise that did it twice.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Dan, And it's the thing is too, I mean,

441
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Speaker 5: think about how they played last year here if you

442
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Speaker 5: remember last year and when you make a decision, Hell,

443
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Speaker 5: if they My thing was if they loved McCarthy that much, Okay,

444
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Speaker 5: I get it, But you and I had talked. I

445
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,879
Speaker 5: said what I would do is franchise him. Yeah, I

446
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 5: would have franchise Sam Darnald. And we because you know

447
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Speaker 5: that's and when we say the price tag and we

448
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Speaker 5: ended up making what was he making about thirty thirty.

449
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Speaker 4: Five range yep?

450
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and the twos and those guys are making twenty

451
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Speaker 5: million more than that and so and Kevin's been known

452
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Speaker 5: as a you know, if you call him the whisperer,

453
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 5: a guru, a guy who finds a way to get

454
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Speaker 5: the most out of him and does things that fit

455
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Speaker 5: their skill set. And he revitalized Darnold's career and it

456
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Speaker 5: wasn't just a two game wonder Sam for the most

457
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Speaker 5: part until the last two games played good. Now the

458
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Speaker 5: key is what if he'd have kicked ass in those

459
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Speaker 5: last two games? What would have happened?

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Speaker 1: Right then?

461
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Speaker 5: One of hindsight, But you know, for me, you franchise him,

462
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Speaker 5: and you know the one year deal would have paid him,

463
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Speaker 5: probably even more than that for the one year you know, signing,

464
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Speaker 5: let's go long term. But Dani and you and I

465
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Speaker 5: had talked the way he was playing, what was the rush?

466
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Speaker 5: Now we all look back and say, and we're at

467
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Speaker 5: a time when we're so instant gratification coming off a

468
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Speaker 5: team that won that many games, was that close a

469
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Speaker 5: player to two and a quarterback did in the last

470
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Speaker 5: two games? He ran into a good Detroit team and

471
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Speaker 5: you know in the playoffs and didn't play well. But

472
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Speaker 5: what was the rush, especially now if you saw a

473
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Speaker 5: lot of body evidence with McCarthy and I still think

474
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Speaker 5: he's gonna be a hell of a player. But since

475
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Speaker 5: we're you know, going back and then hindsight, let's hindsight

476
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Speaker 5: it is.

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Speaker 4: What was the rush for a guy coming off an

478
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Speaker 4: injury where he didn't get a snap in the regular season.

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Speaker 5: So with that in mind, I can understand if you

480
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Speaker 5: had him and we'd seen him part time, Sam miss

481
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Speaker 5: double games, a guy who was lights out, and you say,

482
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Speaker 5: I think he's gonna be ready next year. But with

483
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Speaker 5: a team that's built like this, the one weakness, or

484
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Speaker 5: at least the one glaring if you want to caught

485
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Speaker 5: perception was going into this year was a quarterback.

486
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Speaker 4: Yes, and then you got rid of all your experience.

487
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Speaker 5: He brought Carson Winson, but you got for a guy

488
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Speaker 5: who hadn't seen a snap, who doesn't come from a

489
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Speaker 5: throwing program, who is a winner and has great potential,

490
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Speaker 5: But why what was the rush? And then going back

491
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Speaker 5: to Darnold, you franchise him, and you and I talked

492
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Speaker 5: about let's let him, let's see if.

493
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Speaker 4: He can do it again.

494
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Speaker 5: And if he can do it again, then you revisit

495
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Speaker 5: the long term deal or do you trade him or

496
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Speaker 5: whatever however you do it, or franchise him. After you

497
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Speaker 5: franchise him, and you say, okay, you know, then you

498
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Speaker 5: got to let's say they go to deep in the

499
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Speaker 5: playoffs and Darnold's the pro bowler a second year.

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Speaker 4: Then you got the decision of well do we Aaron

501
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Speaker 4: Rodgers and Jordan Love keep him again?

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Speaker 5: I mean, you have to go through those things, and

503
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Speaker 5: my old thing is, what was the rush? You put

504
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Speaker 5: all that time and effort into getting a guy who

505
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 5: wasn't expensive the year before or last year, and then

506
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 5: for a fifteen or twenty extra million bucks you decide

507
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Speaker 5: to let him go.

508
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Speaker 4: What would have been the problem had you kept him?

509
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Speaker 1: Well, it doesn't.

510
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Speaker 4: Let's say he beats up my Now I know the bat.

511
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Speaker 5: If Sam's the backup at at thirty million, I get

512
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 5: it or whatever it is. But my thing for a

513
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Speaker 5: super Bowl caliber team, I don't. It is fascinating to

514
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Speaker 5: think that how many people come out of a season

515
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Speaker 5: with that many wins.

516
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Speaker 4: We saw the micro stuff what he said, but.

517
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Speaker 5: That go on, and also commit to a guy who's

518
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Speaker 5: never played it now h never never played it down.

519
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 4: Hell, we didn't even see that.

520
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 5: Hell when they had Aikman in Dallas, they went out

521
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 5: and drafted Steve Walsh and in the supple mission. So

522
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 5: I just in my and and I right exactly, and

523
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Speaker 5: I fall into the loving and the future of McCarthy.

524
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Speaker 5: But with the roster like that, I think it took

525
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 5: more guts to get rid of to let him walk,

526
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Speaker 5: than it did to keep it now that we look

527
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 5: at it. But hey, now they live with it, and

528
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 5: they got to go. And you know, Carson's played pretty well,

529
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Speaker 5: but I just and Donald's playing good in Seattle. I

530
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 5: just all that work and Donald finally looked at the

531
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Speaker 5: guy that everybody thought he was going to be when

532
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Speaker 5: he came out of a college. And so maybe it

533
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 5: was Kevin who got him. And then you and what

534
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 5: you did, You primed the guy for another team and

535
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 5: got him ready, and you're hoping, see one guy you

536
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 5: knew played well. We're still hoping that JJ McCarthy can

537
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Speaker 5: ever be that guy, and hopefully he will.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's people are mad at me for quoting from

539
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Speaker 2: this piece, which I just thought was an interesting historical perspective.

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Speaker 4: So I wouldn't know there was that hiding.

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Speaker 2: I had that idea, but they're saying, look, Sean, you

542
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 2: know they're saying to me, and look, it were five

543
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 2: weeks in. You could just as easily I five if

544
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 2: at the five week mark Darnald was struggling this year,

545
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 2: you could turn the same way and say, well, why

546
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 2: did they do it?

547
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 1: I get it.

548
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Speaker 2: It's probably a little premature, but here's the reality. And

549
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Speaker 2: I think you know, this is how it works in

550
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Speaker 2: this league. The unusual circumstance of the Vikings quarterback condition

551
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 2: makes it inevitable that that's what Koc and this staff

552
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Speaker 2: and this administration is going to face. And here's why

553
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 2: you've got You had three other options that were released

554
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Speaker 2: in the hopper. Donald as expensive as that was going

555
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 2: to be, and that's going to cost you some free

556
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 2: agents that you otherwise than you otherwise probably couldn't have

557
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 2: brought here. You had him, his team is three and one.

558
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Speaker 2: I believe you had Daniel Jones on this roster. His

559
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 2: team is three and one this this so far, and

560
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 2: you had the flirtation, no question was going on with

561
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers and his team is I believe they they're

562
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Speaker 2: three and one two. I think the Steelers are as

563
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 2: well after knocking off the Vikings. So this whole season

564
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 2: is gonna be a referendum that plays out that way.

565
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 2: Whether it's fair to anybody, you know, that's how it works.

566
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Speaker 2: If those were the other possibilities, and McCarthy either struggles

567
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Speaker 2: or is injured much of the season and they're just

568
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 2: trying to, you know, patch it up with Wentz.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be lurking.

570
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 2: That story angle is just gonna be part of the

571
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Speaker 2: part of what the Vikings have to face.

572
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Speaker 5: And it'll have to be Dan because you know, and

573
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Speaker 5: then we talk about not fair, Well, what is fair

574
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 5: the league? There's nothing fair about them and that's okay,

575
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 5: no going in. If you're a football player and you're

576
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 5: looking for fair or a coach, I would suggest you

577
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 5: take two weeks off and quit and find a different workplace,

578
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 5: because that's not that's not how it works in a league.

579
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 5: But a couple other things, and what makes you think, good, gracious,

580
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 5: they must have really did Kevin?

581
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 4: Did they love.

582
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 5: JJ so much that they were willing to part with

583
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 5: and or not sign any of them, any of them

584
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Speaker 5: especially knowing that I see. I'm a believer that if

585
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 5: Kevin would have had Daniel Jones, then Daniel Jones would

586
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Speaker 5: be like he's doing it.

587
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

588
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 5: I believe the same with Sam that Sam might have

589
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 5: even gotten better and given you more because you uncovered

590
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Speaker 5: what everybody thought they were.

591
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 4: And if you.

592
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 5: Remember that tree of like McVeigh Shanahan, those two teams,

593
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Speaker 5: they loved Sam Donald and Kevin was in. They love

594
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 5: Sam Donald coming out of college, loved him. Shanahan loved him.

595
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Speaker 5: Hence why he went to San Francisco too and was there.

596
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 5: So there's all that, Yet here we are so and

597
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Speaker 5: I get why you'd love McCarthy and the temptation, and

598
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 5: it's like, what would have even been wrong with letting

599
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Speaker 5: them compete? But you go back to the money, Dan,

600
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 5: it's very valid and viable. But let me ask you this,

601
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Speaker 5: if they go this season or or and then they

602
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 5: don't go where they want to go, or if Donald

603
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 5: was here and they did, my point is, can you

604
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 5: go farther with average quarterback player decent? And it is premature,

605
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 5: but we do that. We're instant gratification. We do it

606
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 5: after one week. Who's the Super Bowl teams?

607
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 4: We all do. But we're damn near. We're in October,

608
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 4: so we're going.

609
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 5: To start to evaluate what do you have a better

610
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 5: chance at doing in this league? Failing because of a

611
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 5: bad quarterback or failing because you just didn't get a

612
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 5: couple extra bodies in free agency? No, No, that's I think,

613
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 5: you know, so if that guy under center's not there,

614
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 5: you better have Baltimore's to their defense. Back in the

615
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 5: day when Ray was there, you know, you just got

616
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Speaker 5: to have that guy that just doesn't plays good like

617
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 5: Dilford did at the right times and doesn't turn it over.

618
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 5: It protects it and you run it and you play

619
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 5: great defense and you win a Super Bowl. But normally

620
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 5: this position, at the end of the year, you can

621
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Speaker 5: look and say, well, offensive line wasn't good and quarterback.

622
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 4: I'm talking about it.

623
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Speaker 5: Any team, it'll come to fruition, say finesse team quarterback

624
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,719
Speaker 5: played poorly. You Usually that's the way or average, right,

625
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 5: that didn't elevate. So listen, I'm pulling for JJ and

626
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 5: it we're all you know, we get criticism for doing

627
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 5: this and judging, but you write an article and we're

628
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 5: reacting to it. Yeah, and we still have the question

629
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 5: is when Sam's played that well? And I do believe

630
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 5: the last couple of games did leave it. I don't

631
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 5: want to say bitter, but left the Oh are we

632
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 5: worried that this is going to creep in next? You know,

633
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 5: the confidence all that, But listen, man, it's it's those

634
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 5: are decisions that make or break franchises or teams.

635
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 4: And now we're in a hope phase. Now we are.

636
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 4: We're in to hope JJ comes back.

637
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 5: You're in a hope that he's who we think he

638
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 5: is because we saw the guts in that fourth quarter

639
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 5: of the first game, or that you know the Carson

640
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 5: can hold it down because the Vikings are a good

641
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 5: football team and we've seen it. So but that what

642
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 5: what a what a precious and fragile position it is,

643
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Speaker 5: And don't we.

644
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Speaker 2: All know when you have yeah, well you have this

645
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 2: many options that were at least available now in fairness,

646
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 2: we were reminded, I think in this piece that the

647
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 2: Vikings did offer Jones fifteen mil a year to stay.

648
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 2: He ends up taking fourteen mil from the Colts, probably

649
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 2: thinking he's got a better chance to win the job

650
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 2: as and he's been vindicated already on that than he

651
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 2: would have here. So I think the Vikings may have

652
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 2: at least attempted to kick Jones. The question should they

653
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 2: have gone a little bit higher?

654
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: Or you know that?

655
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 2: But if you're that goes back to how committed are

656
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Speaker 2: you that we've got to play JJ right now as

657
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 2: opposed to all right, we're going to open up the

658
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 2: competition and let's just let this thing take its natural course.

659
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 5: I can tell you this, Dave Cutcliff still will swear

660
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 5: by Daniel Jones. I talked to him before you know

661
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 5: who coached him at Duke Coach, the Mannings and all

662
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 5: that he still thinks Daniel Jones getting coach writes great,

663
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 5: and it's a it's bearing that fruit. And you know

664
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 5: when you said, Daniel Jones take less to go somewhere,

665
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 5: I can guarantee you he knew that.

666
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 4: If I'm here with the love.

667
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 5: They have of all the guys they've turned down JJ

668
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 5: starting and I look over at Indianapolis and that guy

669
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 5: completes forty eight percent of his passes. I'm going there

670
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 5: to reach all my incentives to make thirty two million

671
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 5: or whatever he's going to make, as opposed to you know,

672
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 5: the fourteen he's making. But you know, let's listen and

673
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 5: if it turns out, say see it told you so.

674
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 5: It's just that position, especially when you're young. It was

675
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,320
Speaker 5: a curious decision because he hadn't played, But it also

676
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,359
Speaker 5: should tell you how much loved the organization and how

677
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 5: Kevin feels about JJ McCarthy, at least his future and

678
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 5: what he's going to bring to the table.

679
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 2: Hopefully, maybe the current condition of the Vikings offensive line

680
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 2: renders all this mood.

681
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: I don't know.

682
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 2: I'm curious to getting a reaction to the to a

683
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 2: very disappointing performance, I think against the Steelers, which I

684
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:29,879
Speaker 2: thought is another one of those games where I thought

685
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 2: the tail was told that the line of scrimmage, the

686
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 2: Vikings defensive front was gashed early and often without the

687
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 2: Steelers even having their number one running back, especially in

688
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 2: the second half of the game. And then you know

689
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 2: the offensive line. There's injuries that are entering into this

690
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 2: as well. I thought Wentz actually as battered as he

691
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:53,280
Speaker 2: was held in pretty well. So I don't know, maybe

692
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 2: we're worrying about the wrong position because they're they're clearly

693
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 2: not getting and they got injuries, you know, defense at

694
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 2: lineback and an offensive line considerable injuries, including the center

695
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 2: now having another concussion. But we're reminded of just how

696
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 2: important stuff has to happen to the line of scrimmage

697
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 2: or else.

698
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: The rest of it doesn't really matter much.

699
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 5: Dan, Well, you heard me mention about the quarterback, and

700
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 5: I will very much tell you I think that's the

701
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 5: next Well, first of all, that helps in the growth

702
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 5: of the position. It's a really hard position to play,

703
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 5: no matter how good you are, when you can't set

704
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 5: your feet or you're getting hit all the time. I've

705
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 5: seen the collateral damage that c. J. Stroud is stuffing through.

706
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 5: That's trying to get it back from the last year

707
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:39,240
Speaker 5: and a half. It is and it was disappointing. And unfortunately,

708
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 5: whether we like it or not, when there's injuries, everybody

709
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 5: has them that you're hoping the guy behind them can

710
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 5: step in and do the job and hold off the punishment,

711
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 5: because the Vikings will never get where they want to

712
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 5: go if the quarterback's getting battered. And it won't matter

713
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 5: if it's Jj, You've got better feet as far as

714
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 5: getting out, it won't matter because you don't win championships

715
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 5: being a guy who escapes first and throws from the

716
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 5: pocket second. You win and pocket guy first, and then

717
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 5: the ability to escape and utilize the full bandwidth of

718
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 5: a field. So it was disappointing. Now we shouldn't sleep.

719
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 5: The Steelers are starting to look like something right and

720
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 5: so I give them that, and and you know, the

721
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 5: Vikings are making big plays.

722
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,240
Speaker 4: And you know, but as it gets precious and especially.

723
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 5: When the offensive line is not moving the line of

724
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 5: scrimmage and they're playing on your side of the ball

725
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 5: and battering your team not only in the run game,

726
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 5: but also getting after the quarterback is did they start

727
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 5: to add up and what happens you becoming a chasment.

728
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 5: You're not going to get where you want to go.

729
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 5: And I don't care how good JJ or Carson play

730
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,479
Speaker 5: the rest of the year, if that group doesn't get better.

731
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 5: I've seen the movie Man. Yeah, in Minnesota, we'd have

732
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 5: to deal with it because our guys were so good.

733
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 5: But I'm done about You see it in the league

734
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 5: every week. Teams that can't block simple protections are key

735
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 5: teams that just aren't physical and Dan, you know what

736
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 5: the craziest thing for me and I look around the

737
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 5: league now at a lot of average play by teams.

738
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 5: We see sloppy playerly, but there's a lot of average

739
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 5: play offensively. Defenses are a lot of times tearing up

740
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 5: offenses in the physical nature is when I watched I

741
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 5: think man the depth from one to two and maybe

742
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 5: that's all over the league with the money we paid

743
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 5: the starters. Now, the depth when you go from one

744
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 5: to two on a lot of teams, there's a major falloff.

745
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 4: There's a major falloff.

746
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 5: And if you don't secure the inside on a guy

747
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 5: who's a pocket passer, they'll be running for their life.

748
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 4: Whiles.

749
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 5: They still hung in there and made some plays and

750
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 5: had chances, but you can't turn it over. And Aaron

751
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 5: Rodgers is looking closer to Aaron Rodgers. Pittsburgh's dangerous, especially

752
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 5: whether Baltimore's playing. And I'm gonna tell you it ain't

753
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 5: gonna get any easier defensively this week, Dan.

754
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 4: Nasty.

755
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 5: If their offense was seventy five percent of their defense,

756
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 5: the Cleveland Browns would be they'd be in first place

757
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 5: with the Steelers.

758
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 4: That they would be.

759
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 5: Their Their offense is just putrid and their defense is

760
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 5: like eventually you get the point you start to stand

761
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 5: and say, are you guys gonna pull your weight where

762
00:37:59,080 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 5: they're hoping?

763
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 4: With the move moveing to Dylan Gabriel, they get the same.

764
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 5: Spark that the Giants got with with the d Yeah,

765
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 5: with Jackson Dart last week.

766
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit more about Gabriel.

767
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,720
Speaker 2: The Cleveland, as you mentioned, makes the change Shoe Flacco

768
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 2: out and Dylan Gabriel in. He's plays one of those

769
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 2: guys who I felt like he was in college like

770
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 2: twelve years and played a bunch of games and was

771
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 2: very successful. I have no idea, you know, if he's

772
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 2: going to be ready. If it's too much to ask

773
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 2: it he he be ready. How much of a if

774
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 2: any of a threat do you think he might be

775
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:33,720
Speaker 2: in his first game?

776
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 5: I think, you know, obviously you lose the Flacco intelligence

777
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 5: and veteran stuff, but what you gain is a different energy.

778
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 5: And I know they have so much respect for Joe,

779
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 5: but Joe's limited on what the offense do because of

780
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 5: his legs. He just is get hell, I get it,

781
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 5: good gracious, I understand it. But he's you know, Joe's

782
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 5: a guy that doesn't need much practice. He can still

783
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 5: have something more to happen. Go back in the game,

784
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,760
Speaker 5: make a few throws for you and keep you alive.

785
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 5: Here's what I believe. I know, I don't know how

786
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 5: the result's going to be in the game, but I

787
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 5: do know this and watching Gabriel a lot, and it

788
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,479
Speaker 5: reminds me of our guy, Jim McMahon. When Jim played,

789
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 5: you know, Jim's one of my best friends. And when

790
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 5: I went on in Cleveland a couple of weeks ago

791
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 5: or during the preseason, I guess it's been over a month.

792
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 4: As they were talking about, well he looks awful and

793
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 4: practice Sean.

794
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 5: I went on with a couple buddies of mine in

795
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 5: Cleveland on their radio show, and I said, don't judge

796
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 5: him there. I said, Dylan Gabriel is gonna walk. You're

797
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,439
Speaker 5: gonna walk and say he's not real fast, but he's

798
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,280
Speaker 5: got good feet. He's he's he's not the greatest athlete.

799
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 5: He's small. The jersey's a little too big for him.

800
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,919
Speaker 5: He did, you know, and he practice. The ball comes

801
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 5: off wobbly if everything's not perfect, But what's it going

802
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 5: to look like? Guy's a bad practice I said, just

803
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 5: in the preseason, I said, watch him play. I said,

804
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 5: he's he's the guy that's a practice field. Uh, but

805
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,439
Speaker 5: a gamer And that's how he's been in his career

806
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 5: and Organ and you know, you saw all the speed Organ,

807
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 5: but his toughness and grit was a big part of

808
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 5: their success. And he it does feel like he's been

809
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 5: in college forever. But he's smart and I guarantee he's

810
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 5: put a nose to the grind soon. With all the

811
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 5: talk with when the third guy's getting more pubbed than

812
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 5: the first two guys, he's gone to work.

813
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 4: Now is a result?

814
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 5: You're playing against a good Vikings team, can you come

815
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 5: with a result? He's mentally sharp. I know that he

816
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 5: will be into the game, and the spark the great

817
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 5: the reason why this is good for the Browns. You

818
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 5: know Brian's going to give him some looks he's I

819
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 5: used to. And hey, listen when people say it's a

820
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 5: rookie ready, No rookie I've ever watched Now, not everybody.

821
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 5: Nobody's Marino, but even Dan had to go through it

822
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 5: because the next year you're like looking around saying I

823
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 5: didn't know anything as a rookie. I'm just pretty good

824
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 5: talent like Marino because he can throw it. But no

825
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 5: rookie's ever ready because you sit there and watch and

826
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 5: you're like, dude, this, I'm sorry. Even if it's the

827
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 5: SEC or when you were in the Pac twelve or

828
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 5: the SEC or the Big ten, it's a different level

829
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 5: when you get there and you look around say, ooh,

830
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 5: that is different because everybody's all the speed you had

831
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 5: at Orgon you were playing it. So he'll be prepared

832
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 5: mentally as much as he can his grit. He's going

833
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 5: to make some plays that a couple other guys that

834
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 5: run wouldn't have made.

835
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 4: So I think he's a good player.

836
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 5: You're never going to be wowed by his practice, but

837
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 5: you're going you'd be wild by his grind and with

838
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 5: Brian's looks, Flora's looks. When people say, well, it's the

839
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 5: wrong win a senate to he's got a travel in

840
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 5: London and play against a blitzer, I think it's the

841
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 5: other way. I think what he does. You go in

842
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,280
Speaker 5: there and say, man, you can be a hero without

843
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,439
Speaker 5: trying to be, but his legs may when you bliit

844
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 5: a guy like that and you miss. He's going to

845
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 5: give you what Flacco couldn't. The second guy can run

846
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 5: you down with Gabriel. He's just fast enough, he's just

847
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 5: strong enough with his arm, just moxie enough. And the

848
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 5: truth is, even though it was on college, he has

849
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:39,439
Speaker 5: played a ton of football, which is an advantage because

850
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 5: reps those were game reps with eleven dudes moving and running,

851
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 5: so not a seven on seven leagues. So I actually

852
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 5: think that you're going to see some spark and he'll

853
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 5: make some plays that aren't there now. Whether the number

854
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 5: is going to look like and can he do it

855
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 5: for four quarters, who knows, but it is time they

856
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 5: needed to do it, and I would have done it

857
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 5: this week too, even though it's some Minnesota Vikings, because

858
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 5: you wouldn't have it chance. If Joe can't move and

859
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 5: they're not protecting the quarterback, it would not have been

860
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 5: fun to watch. If Brian's defense is doing what we

861
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 5: want him to do, you know, rushing the passer and

862
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 5: the looks, so you can count that Gabriel is going

863
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 5: to know more than most rookies do because of his experience,

864
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 5: and you're going to see a guy that you're gonna say,

865
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 5: how does he keep making these plays? I've seen the

866
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 5: movie on guys like him. Were you watch them practice?

867
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 5: Like I played with David Craig too. I got my

868
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 5: rookie year and I'm like, I went to my first

869
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 5: mini camp, I said, this dude can't play, and by

870
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 5: the end of it, by the end of the mean

871
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 5: and by the end for a million, by the end

872
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 5: of the first practice, I think I told that story.

873
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 5: I came out of the practice and I thought, Uh,

874
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 5: they nobody beating this cat out because he just when

875
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 5: he's a gamer. I feel like Dylan Gabriel is going

876
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 5: to have an idea how to play, and if he

877
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,720
Speaker 5: does it right, you may not see the job giving

878
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 5: back to anybody.

879
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 4: The rest of the year.

880
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 5: But because all he has to do is play smart,

881
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,399
Speaker 5: give them three touchdowns, you'll be in the game. Hell,

882
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 5: Cleveland's defense will keep you in every game, and we'll

883
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 5: see if that's the case.

884
00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 2: This one last quarterback question. Obviously, Wentz is starting this week.

885
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 2: The offensive line is still like I said in Tatters,

886
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 2: they may maybe using somebody at center who's literally never

887
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:11,359
Speaker 2: played the position in an NFL game, a regular season game.

888
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 2: And so you know, the assumption is, Okay, you got

889
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 2: the bye week after this week, McCarthy, you'll have more

890
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 2: time to get healthy, and you gotta if he's your guy,

891
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:21,839
Speaker 2: you gotta throw him out there, even if the next

892
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 2: game is against the Eagles.

893
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: It's here.

894
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 2: But then there's a part of me that says, well,

895
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 2: if the line is still messed up and still injury ravaged,

896
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 2: is that too dangerous? Are you actually more likely to

897
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 2: sacrifice Carson Wentz if you want to call it that

898
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 2: by by by you know, keeping him past the buy

899
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 2: and having him start another game, win or lose against

900
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 2: Cleveland this Sunday.

901
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,399
Speaker 5: My philosophy if I was coaching it, I know as

902
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 5: a player and looking at it, and we're sending your

903
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 5: time media member, I'm thinking, how would I approach this?

904
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 5: I guess there's a quarterback. I'm like, screw that. I

905
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,879
Speaker 5: don't care who we're playing. JJ McCarthy. I'm going to play.

906
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 5: Going to see good teams anyway. But you've only seen

907
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,959
Speaker 5: you know what, eight quarters of football or whatever less

908
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 5: than that. For the most part, I think it's been

909
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 5: so for in a regular season game this year. Here's

910
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 5: this game does have something to do if I if

911
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 5: Carson Wentz goes out and lights it up.

912
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 4: Let's just say he does, right, and they win and

913
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 4: you get the bye week.

914
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:21,879
Speaker 5: You do have to ask your question if you're Kevin

915
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 5: and in that staff meeting, say who gives us the

916
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 5: best chance to win with a guy who will be

917
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 5: should be a little rusty, even though if he's healthy,

918
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 5: if he's one hundred percent healthy, You ask, do we

919
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 5: have a better chance to win against Philadelphia come out

920
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 5: of bye week with Carson Wentz? And remember, don't discount

921
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 5: what will it feel like for Carson Wentz against the

922
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 5: team that did that discarded him a couple of years ago.

923
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 4: After after his struggles.

924
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 5: Right, So those things can either work for you where

925
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 5: you're like, Okay, this revenge is gonna work good or

926
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 5: they can work against you. We see it both of

927
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, he's you don't like it, So I

928
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 5: would if he plays well, that is going to come

929
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 5: into play. Now Wentz goes out and you kind of

930
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 5: flounder around, but you'll win or you lose. I would

931
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 5: say one hundred percent. You're starting McCarthy. I don't think Dan.

932
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 5: You can say, well, man, are we throwing him to

933
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 5: the Wolves? Well, yeah, we got him to the Wolves

934
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 5: without any work as a rookie and coming in the

935
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,399
Speaker 5: second year, so and I got to give my team

936
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 5: the best chance to win. And if he does that

937
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 5: out of the bie week, you absolutely have to play him.

938
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 5: But I'm keeping a close eye on this Wentz game

939
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 5: and see his command confidence with a new set, how

940
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 5: he handles this.

941
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 4: And if he.

942
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 5: Plays great, you say, man, we could at least wait

943
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 5: one more week and you can use it. We want

944
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 5: to see you give another week of practice of the

945
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 5: with the ones JJ and then we'll go. But if

946
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 5: McCarthy's gonna give you the best chance to win in

947
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 5: two weeks, I don't care who it's against, Philadelphia, Kansas City,

948
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 5: bal It wouldn't matter. To me Buffalo, I'm playing him.

949
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 5: But you're gonna have to ask that question. Based on

950
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 5: Carson Wentz's performance this week in JJ McCarthy's health Out

951
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 5: of the Bible, would.

952
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 2: It be a good idea if you're a betting person

953
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 2: to take the under on the Vikings Browns matchup.

954
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: I'm maybe six to three.

955
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 5: You know, I was gonna I'm taking the under and

956
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 5: it's three and a half points, and I'm actually giving

957
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 5: the if I'm the I'm taking there because that hook matters. Yeah,

958
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 5: a three This is feels like the safest under in

959
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 5: the world. Dan and in Cleveland's hoping not. Yeah, but

960
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 5: and then it'll end up forty one to thirty eight

961
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 5: Billy Gabriels. But I would definitely take the under, and

962
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 5: I like the Browns to keep it within a field

963
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 5: goal just because you know you're you're on fore and soil.

964
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,399
Speaker 5: You get a new guy the energy, so we'll see

965
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 5: what happens, but it'll still be a good game.

966
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:26,240
Speaker 4: May not be pretty.

967
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 5: It's going to be an ugly one, i'd imagine, but

968
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 5: it'll be fun to watch if you like fistfights, because

969
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 5: that's what it's going to turn into.

970
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 4: I would think.

971
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 2: Excellent work is always my friend. Thanks for the time,

972
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:35,439
Speaker 2: we'll chat next week.

973
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 4: Appreciate you.

974
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 2: Marke Shawn Salisbury with a great half hour of football

975
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:44,720
Speaker 2: analysis on a number of vikings related and quarterback related

976
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,479
Speaker 2: to subjects. Don't forget Doctor Dan's inbox will be opened

977
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 2: up in about thirty minutes as well.

978
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 4: Don't go