1 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 1: You know, I've had a lot of people reaching out 2 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: regarding all the various issues that we're faced with here 3 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: in Minnesota, but specifically the fraud that we've been talking 4 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: about and all the recent recent revelations. Even though a 5 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 1: lot of what's been discussed has been known for a 6 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: long time and people have been talking about, well, you know, 7 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: don't forget. You have Attorney General Keith Ellison, you have 8 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: Lieutenant Governor Peggy fan again, and all of this, and 9 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:43,919 Speaker 1: you're absolutely correct, these individuals should not get leeway lack 10 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 1: of a better way to put it, in all the 11 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: criticism taking place. But as we're diving into the issue, 12 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: I also think it's appropriate to make sure you focus 13 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: singularly on the guy at the top, and that's Governor 14 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: Tim Walls as he squirms over this particular issue. Let's 15 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: get to a few of your talkbacks and then we'll 16 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: dive in to what this account associated with Minnesota Department 17 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 1: of Human Resources employees posted heading into the weekend. 18 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 2: Horner John, Happy December, Happy Christmas season. Anyways, I will 19 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 2: say this, and I've been saying this, and I will 20 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 2: stand by this. This is why they picked him for 21 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 2: vice president for Kamala Harris. They saw all this fraud, 22 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 2: they saw all how they did it, they saw all, 23 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:31,680 Speaker 2: they saw it all, and they wanted to implement it 24 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:36,119 Speaker 2: across the country. That's what they've that those the game 25 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 2: plan the entire time. I'm convinced of it. 26 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 1: Does it make no mistake. The Democrat Party already knows 27 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 1: what to do to make sure this frock can get committed. 28 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: I understand what it is that you're saying, but I 29 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: also don't think that they needed to bring Walls on 30 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: board in order to learn how to have this FRAU 31 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: to end up being committed. Good morning, John. 32 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 3: I've left this talk before and I'll leave it again. 33 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 3: There needs to be a forensic audit of all this money. 34 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 3: Money leaves a trail, and I'll guarantee you that trail 35 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 3: leads back to the DFL campaigns. Positive on this forensic audit, 36 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 3: I have. 37 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 4: A good day. 38 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 1: I'm John say, I'm calling in. 39 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 3: I don't want to detegrate you for mispronouncing a name, 40 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 3: but I want to give the lawyer Ryan Casiga credit. 41 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: Casigas he's a great asset to any assistant programs. All right, 42 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,799 Speaker 1: So my apology is there. The way it's written, it 43 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:38,839 Speaker 1: didn't look like that, so I was pronouncing it more 44 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: phonetically speaking. So here's what the original post of the 45 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 1: Minnesota Department of Human Services account on X had to say. 46 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,519 Speaker 1: We let Tim Walls know of fraud early on, hoping 47 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: for a partnership in stopping fraud, but no, we got 48 00:02:55,000 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: the opposite response, and Tim Walls retaliated stomatically against whistleblowers, 49 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: using monitoring threats, repression, and did his best to discredit 50 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: fraud reports. Instead of partnership, we got the full weight 51 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 1: of retaliation by Tim Walls, certain DFL members, and an 52 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 1: indifferent mainstream media. It's scary, isolating, and left us wondering 53 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: who can we turn to. In addition to retaliating against 54 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: the whistleblower, Tim Walls disempowered the Office of Legislative Auditor, 55 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: allowing agencies to disregard their audit findings and guidance. Media 56 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: politicians supporting Tim Walls or the DFL agenda attacked the 57 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: whistleblowers who were trying to raise red flags on fraudulent 58 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: services fraudulent activities. Excuse me, this is a cascade of 59 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: systemic failures leading up to Tim Walls. Agency leaders appointed 60 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: by Walls, willfully disregarded rules and laws to keep the 61 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: fraud reports quiet, to the extent of threatening families of whistleblowers. 62 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: According to this account on x that claims to be 63 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: made up of Minnesota Department of Human Services employees, these 64 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: same leaders are not qualified for their jobs, instead getting 65 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: leadership jobs via Tim Walls's friendship. So state governments were 66 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 1: left floundering. DFL lawmakers refused to acknowledge fraud and deflected 67 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: any serious conversation to stop fraud. Biased mainstream media such 68 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:36,799 Speaker 1: as WCCO and MPR showed absolutely no interest in covering 69 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 1: fraud happening in our state, says the account on X. Programs, 70 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: especially in behavioral and disability services, were built without any 71 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: safeguards against fraud, all in an attempt to extract more 72 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: funding from the legislature and the federal government. And I've 73 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: had many DHS workers anonymously reaching out to me this 74 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: year sharing these very details that this account up on 75 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: x posted heading into the weekend at Minnesota underscore DHS 76 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 1: that when they've gone and brought they found fraud and 77 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: brought it to the attention of their superiors, it's simply 78 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 1: been ignored. As staff, we first hand witness and observed 79 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: fraud happening, yet were shut down, reassigned and told to 80 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: keep quiet. Sometimes more, leadership did not want to appear 81 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: to discriminate against certain communities and were unwilling to take 82 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: action such as stopping fraud that would have an adverse 83 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: impact on their image. And make no mistake too, before 84 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: I get into more of this, the dynamics at play 85 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: here that one has to wonder whether or not this 86 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: was the mindset all along of government. You know of 87 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 1: Governor Tim Walls, of Peggy Flanagan, of Keith Ellison, when 88 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: this fraud story ended up exploding because it couldn't happen 89 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 1: in perpetuity, it actually went on far longer than it 90 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: should have. I'm convinced because of the DFL trifecta, when 91 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 1: you have one party rule, they can go and just 92 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: ignore all of this. I shared the data many times 93 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: last week of how for autism centers you start off 94 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: with six million dollars in funding requests coming from autism 95 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: centers and then that balloons to some four hundred million 96 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: dollars some five or six years later, and only at 97 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: that point does it raise any red flags or come 98 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 1: to anybody's attention after a federal investigation investigation, Now, why 99 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: wouldn't the DFL want to point out to this and 100 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 1: stop it. Well, because there's a fear since seventy six 101 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: percent of the fraud being committed is of from the 102 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: Somali community, there's a fear that you're going to be 103 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: labeled a racist. And so if the Democrats had begun 104 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 1: to pursue trying to hold people accountable for the fraud, 105 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: then the very criticism that you're hearing now pointed towards 106 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: Trump Republicans. Anybody that wants to go and report on 107 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: the facts on this that get labeled a racist. One 108 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: can't help. But wonder if they knew this all along 109 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: they're like, hey, we'll wait until the Republicans raise concern 110 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: over this, and then they can take the irrational heat 111 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: as the excuses pour in and those on the right 112 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: and Trump, if he makes moves on this, we can 113 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: just say that they're racist for pointing out the facts 114 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: regarding who's committing the fraud. You get back to this 115 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: post online of the alleged employees for DHS, they said 116 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: it was a structure created and maintained by Tim Walls 117 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: who has created an environment of interrelated agencies and institutions, 118 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: including the media, that help foster fraud through retaliation and 119 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: turning a blind eye in exchange her political gain in 120 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 1: the form of higher power agency leadership jobs or other perks. Fundamentally, 121 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: they write, Tim Walls is dishonest, lacks ethics and integrity, 122 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: has poor leadership abilities, and has never taken any accountability 123 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: for his role in the fraud. And you heard that 124 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: in the clip that we played a couple times this 125 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: morning on Meet the Press. Instead, he deflects by blaming 126 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: national politics for his own failures and failings and distracts 127 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 1: the public with his constant lying as such, we can't 128 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: fight fraud in Minnesota alone. Hence why we're appealing to 129 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: the federal levels of government. We need all the help 130 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: that we can get, as Tim Wallas's agency leaders have 131 00:08:56,679 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: up their brazen approach in covering up their knowledge of fraud. 132 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 3: And isn't an. 133 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: Interesting too that here you have these alleged employees for 134 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: DHS and they're saying the federal government needs to step in, 135 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: while also Tim Walls is saying that the federal government 136 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 1: needs to step in on all of this. This can 137 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: be handled internally, and yet you have these employees for 138 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 1: DHS saying Walls isn't going to do it, so we 139 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,679 Speaker 1: need the Feds. And then you have Wall saying we 140 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: need the Feds, probably because he knows if the Feds 141 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,959 Speaker 1: go and do it, it's going to take longer. And 142 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: so depending on how long investigations further investigations take, perhaps 143 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 1: this will shield him somewhat from any scrutiny while the 144 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: investigations are going on, because he doesn't seem to have 145 00:09:52,840 --> 00:10:01,559 Speaker 1: any interest in investigating this through his own administration. They 146 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: wrap up with this. We are grateful to the numerous 147 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: solid politicians, especially the Fraud Committee, and media outlets who 148 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 1: are trying to halt the fraud. We are also grateful 149 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 1: to other whistleblowers who are bravely stepping up. Thank you 150 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: to the New York Times for bringing the plight of 151 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 1: Minnesota to the national stage. As I mentioned a piece 152 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: that did not get a chance to get into before Thanksgiving. 153 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 1: Governor Tim Walls presents himself as a champion for those 154 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: who got tough breaks along the way, but Minnesotan's who 155 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: live with addiction and disabilities are getting caught up in 156 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: the Crossfire of the fraud crisis, a fantastic piece by 157 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: Matt Dean from American Experiment. I'll share with you some 158 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: points from We'll get you updated on that raid in 159 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 1: Saint Paul by Ice. Is ICE coming to Minnesota for 160 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 1: broader deportation and immigration enforcements efforts. That's what I've been hearing. 161 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: We'll get to your talkbacks as well from the IHEL 162 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: radio app brought to you by Lyndahl Realty. It's all 163 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: coming up on Twin Cities News Talk Am eleven thirty 164 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: and one oh three five FM. This one clip that 165 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:16,439 Speaker 1: I've been sharing of walls from Meet the Press over 166 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:21,439 Speaker 1: the weekend has turned out to be even more relevant 167 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 1: relevant that I had imagined. So I'm going to share 168 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 1: with it, share it with you one more time, and 169 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 1: then I want to move over to a couple of 170 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: other fraud related items before we talk at immigration after 171 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: the bottom of the hour here on Twin Cities News 172 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 1: Talk from the sixty five to one Carpet plus Next 173 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: Day Install studios. 174 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 5: Dozens of people of East African descent have been charged, convicted, 175 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 5: and sentenced for stealing more than a billion dollars in 176 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 5: taxpayer money from government programs during COVID. As you know, Governor, 177 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 5: that is more than Minnesota spends each year to run 178 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 5: its Department of Correction. So I want to give you 179 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 5: a chance to respond to this. Do you take responsibility 180 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 5: for failing to stop this fraud in your state? 181 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 6: Well, certainly I take responsibility for putting people in jail. 182 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 6: Governors don't get to just talk theoretically, we have to 183 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 6: solve problems. And I will note but it's not just Somali's. 184 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,959 Speaker 6: Minnesota is a generous state. Minnesota is a prosperous days, 185 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 6: a well run state or triple A bond rated, but 186 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 6: that attracts criminals. 187 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: Those people are going to jail. 188 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 6: We're doing everything we can, but to demonize an entire 189 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 6: community on the actions of a few, it's lazy. 190 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: By the way, I had a friend of the of 191 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: the show and thank you Angie for for doing this. 192 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 1: But Angie X writes this, well, states Minnesota has a 193 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:45,679 Speaker 1: triple A bond rating. A quick search of states in 194 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: Minnesota currently does not hold a triple A bond rating. 195 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 1: So he so Wall's you know, quips about why isn't 196 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: Trump playing Yazi with his family, and in said he's 197 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 1: owing me the R word, and which case he didn't 198 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: look at the fact that Trump spent Thanksgiving with family 199 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: in mar Alago. I don't know if they've played Yazia 200 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: or not, but they were down there. And at the 201 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 1: same time, we don't even have a triple A bond rating. 202 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: It's been rated as double A by major rating agencies 203 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 1: and indicates a strong credit quality, but it's one tier 204 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: below the highest rating of triple A that he was 205 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: touting in that piece, so he can't even go and 206 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: get that right. 207 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 7: Hey, good morning guys, John. I want to make sure 208 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 7: that everybody is aware that Keith Ellison is not off 209 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 7: the hook for this. This is literally his job as 210 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 7: the top lawyer in Minnesota is to find these people 211 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 7: to root it out. Get over your hatred for Donald Trump. 212 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 7: There is no reason for you to sue him NonStop. 213 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 7: Fix the individuals that are ruining our state, or get out. 214 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:58,119 Speaker 1: I would prefer that he gets out. 215 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 4: From New Brighton. I'll see this for Walls. He's definitely 216 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:06,319 Speaker 4: got stones for him to talk about how the governor 217 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 4: put these people in jail. No, he didn't. That would 218 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 4: have been Andrew Lueger and Joe Thompson they're one's putting 219 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 4: these people in jail. His job as governor was to 220 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 4: try to prevent the fraud from happening in the first 221 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 4: place by actually having oversight in place. Come on, timmy 222 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 4: can't lie to us, pal. 223 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 3: Thanks. 224 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: Really makes me laugh that the only defense I've seen 225 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: about that Minnesota DHS post is that, oh, it's not 226 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: their official account. Well no, yeah, exactly. Listen. I put 227 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: forward the alleged regarding this account at Minnesota Underscore DHS 228 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: that apparently has some four hundred to four hundred and 229 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: eighty DHS employees behind it, wherein they posted Tim Walls 230 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: as one responsible for massive fraud in Minnesota. The story 231 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: went also, meaning that the different news outlets that covered 232 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: that account did their own due diligence while not exposing 233 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: the individuals running it, but did go behind the scenes 234 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: to make sure that it was individuals that actually work 235 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: for DHS that run that account. But of course they're 236 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: going to remain anonymous, especially considering what they put forward 237 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: in terms of their allegations regarding Tim Walls, which brings 238 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:39,359 Speaker 1: me to this piece Minnesota Reformer. If it's so prevalent, 239 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: where are the terror financing charges? So this is an 240 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: editorial written over the weekend regarding the claims made by 241 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: the City Journal, and already it hasn't aged well. A 242 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: recent story in the conservative publication City Journal that claims 243 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,359 Speaker 1: the largest funder of Al Shabab is the Minnesota taxpayer, 244 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: has unleashed a thunderous chorus of vitriol upon the Somali community, 245 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: and again, at already aged poorly considering The New York 246 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: Times did their own extensive piece regarding this issue and 247 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: covered the same thing the City Journal did. As a 248 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 1: matter of fact, everything in this particular op ed demonstrates 249 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: why the City Journal reporting was absolutely necessary. When they 250 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: talk about a chorus of vitriol upon the Somali community, 251 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: all that they're referring to here and I'm going from 252 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: official sources, we need to parts this out. I think 253 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: most people understand this, but I want to make sure 254 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: that we're clear when claims like this get made of 255 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: a chorus of vitriol upon the Somali community, or when 256 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: you ever hear claims like this. This whole piece lays 257 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: out how unhelpful in their mind, the article writer, the 258 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: editorial writer, the City Journal was, and how it was 259 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:06,120 Speaker 1: just right wing propaganda perpetuating this. But when we talk 260 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:12,919 Speaker 1: about any vitriol, I'm talking from official sources. I'm talking 261 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 1: about other talk show hosts, commentators, news media outlets, government officials. 262 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 1: It's not vitriol that you're hearing, it's facts. You may 263 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: have other individuals posting comments online, just average people that 264 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:38,640 Speaker 1: may be saying egregious, overly egregious, or vitriolic things. I'm 265 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: not referring to those individuals. I'm talking about the people 266 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 1: that have a voice publicly, that are speaking about this matter. 267 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: And it's been anything but vitriol. It's been simply pointing 268 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: to the facts of what we are discussing. So I'll 269 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:57,880 Speaker 1: dive into this piece. We will get into the medicaid 270 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: fraud crisis and walls turn our attention towards immigration. Let 271 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: me share this with you. We have your talk back 272 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 1: of the day coming up in just a moment, but 273 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: this seems appropriate. I have a lot of different Trump 274 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: clips this morning to share, and I'll sneak this one 275 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: in here. But President Donald Trump, talking about the issue 276 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:21,120 Speaker 1: of pausing immigration coming from concerning countries as Trump describes them, 277 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:26,679 Speaker 1: also pointed to another rather prominent member of Congress that 278 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 1: would be representative of ilhan Omar. 279 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:31,719 Speaker 8: Frankly, don't need they have people coming into our country 280 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 8: telling us what to do? Are you talking to Diana? 281 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 8: To you and I'm like Samaya, but you have a 282 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 8: congressman who's around telling everybody about our constitution. And yet 283 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 8: she supposedly came into a country by marrying her brother. Well, 284 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 8: if that's true, she should be a congressman and we 285 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 8: should throw the hell out of our country. 286 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:51,879 Speaker 1: A little hard to hear, but what Trump said was 287 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 1: is that il han Omar supposedly came into our country 288 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: by marrying her brother, and if that's true, she shouldn't 289 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: be a congresswoman and we should throw her the hell 290 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: out of the country. See, along with all these other stories, 291 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: that one is also sitting there in the background as well, 292 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 1: because there is a lot of information regarding the background 293 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 1: of Representative ill haan Omar that also might be getting 294 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: some national attention. 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If it's so prevalent, 313 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: where are the terror financing charges? According to an editorial 314 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: written in the Minnesota Reformer. We will dive into the 315 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: details of that in just a moment. First off, though, 316 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,400 Speaker 1: we need to get to the talkback of the day, 317 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: which is brought to you by minileafan minileaf dot com. 318 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:49,199 Speaker 9: Good morning, John. I realize Thanksgiving is over, but I 319 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 9: still want to thank you for a radio program that 320 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 9: not only offers your knowledge, but that allows and encourage 321 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 9: is the many many people that call in with their 322 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 9: wisdom and perspectives. They all give me so much hope 323 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 9: for Minnesota. Thanks again, and thank you. 324 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 1: You are the talkback of the day, first one for December. 325 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 1: Here on December first again, brought to you by Many 326 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: Leaf MINILEAF dot com. Head on over m I N 327 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,679 Speaker 1: N E l e A f dot com. All right, 328 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 1: let's get to a few more of your talkbacks, and 329 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: then I want to dive into this editorial from the 330 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: Minnesota Reformer. Let's go here, Hi, John, Tim Waltz is 331 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: one hundred percent correct that Minnesota is a generous state. 332 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: You're not the only one saying that either. Hey, good morning, John. 333 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 3: Wall's got one thing right. 334 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,399 Speaker 1: Minnesota is definitely a generous state. 335 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 3: Party John, somewhere Cigarfield Wardroom board members. 336 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 6: Are trying to figure out how to disinvolve in your 337 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 6: relationship with him. 338 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,159 Speaker 1: All yeah, listen, I keep saying it. I'm gonna keep 339 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 1: saying it. I just don't see. Well, I'd say sixty 340 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: forty right now. I may even go seventy thirty. That 341 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,120 Speaker 1: Walls is not the nominee for governor next year. He's 342 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: not doing a good job responding to any of what 343 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 1: we've been talking about on the show. His first appearance 344 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 1: on Meet the Press talking about these issues. Since the 345 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 1: revelations not only from the New York Times, but specifically 346 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:28,159 Speaker 1: from the City Journal piece and Christopher Ruffo, He's not 347 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: doing a good job. Neither did this piece Minnesota reformer 348 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: right wing reporting on Somali money going to al Shabab 349 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 1: is not new, still misses the mark. If it's so prevalent, 350 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:45,360 Speaker 1: where are the terror financing charges? This piece is written 351 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 1: to written by Case macon I previously worked as an 352 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 1: investigator in the Medicaid fraud division of the Office of 353 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: Minnesota Attorney General, so it's a little bit of background 354 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:01,879 Speaker 1: on this individual. Here's what Casa had to say. A 355 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 1: recent story in the conservative publication City Journal has unleashed 356 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 1: a thunderous chorus of vitriol upon the Somali community. Ryanthorpe 357 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 1: and Christopher Ruffo's articles assert that Al Shabab, a terrorist 358 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 1: organization based in Somalia, is being funded through remittances is 359 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:24,360 Speaker 1: sent by Somali Minnesotans who have defrauded taxpayer funded programs. 360 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 1: I say this as an American of Somali ancestry who 361 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 1: has investigated frosters and as someone who has written about 362 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 1: it for The Reformer. Okay, I can't prove a negative, 363 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: but the story, especially in all its sensationalism, appears to 364 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: be little more than an effort by the right wing 365 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: propaganda machine to whip up hatred against Somali Americans. So, 366 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 1: first off, are the claims true or not true? And 367 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: essentially what he's saying is we shouldn't bring it up 368 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: because it might impact people's feelings over the past three years. 369 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: He goes on to right, federal prosecutors in Minnesota have 370 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: charged seventy eight people in what they have called the 371 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:20,439 Speaker 1: largest pandemic relief fraud in the country. Well, they have 372 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: called it that because it is in what they have 373 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 1: called yeah, or they just have called it, or they 374 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 1: have stated because it's fact, because it was The overwhelming 375 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: majority of defendants involved in this fraud, named after a 376 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: nonprofit the center of the scandal, Feeding Our Future, are 377 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:44,160 Speaker 1: from the Somali community, but are American citizens? Okay, And 378 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: nobody is saying otherwise. If federal prosecutors had any inkling 379 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: that the ill gotten gains were going to a terrorist 380 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: Organization's a terrorist organization. Don't you think they'd have brought charges? 381 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: The US in Minnesota is no stranger to charging Somali's 382 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 1: for ties to al Shabab, and isis why on earth 383 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 1: would they hold off in this instance? Well, perhaps because 384 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: this would be an intelligence issue, a global issue, and 385 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 1: Biden's DOJ would not be at all interested. And even 386 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 1: the US attorney, the former US attorney here in Minnesota, 387 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 1: tried to go in downplay the involvement of those individuals 388 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:36,160 Speaker 1: within the Somaldi community in the fraud taking place. Peter 389 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 1: isn't may he goes on the right. Those of us 390 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: who have actually followed the Minnesota fraud cases closely know 391 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: that time and again prosecutors have stated the fraudsters were 392 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 1: motivated by greed, not ideology. Wow, is he not insulting 393 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 1: the fraudsters now by saying that? I mean he started 394 00:25:55,920 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 1: off his peace saying that the claim of taxpayer dollars 395 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 1: through autism fraud going to terrorist organization Al Shabab was 396 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 1: unleashing a thunderous chorus of vitriol upon the Smaldi community. 397 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,479 Speaker 1: And yet right here he says that motivations are by 398 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:16,360 Speaker 1: greed not ideology. Is that not also insulting and potential 399 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: vitriol towards particular individuals in one particular community. Thorpe and 400 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: Rufo cited retired Seattle Police detective Glenn Kerns, who ominously 401 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 1: states that Somali's were routing significant amounts of cash on 402 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: commercial flights to Somalia. I just love all the colorful 403 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 1: language here, or he was just stating, but for the 404 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:47,400 Speaker 1: article writer, it's oh, it's ominously thunderous chorus of vitriol. 405 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 1: Thorpe and Rufo cite two anonymous sources to imply that 406 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 1: money collected by the Juala networks is being sent to 407 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 1: al Shabab and Somalia. After the story was published, Rufo 408 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: took to extra write Somalis in Minneapolis are stealing billions 409 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: from American taxpayers, loading bags of cash onto commercial flights, 410 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 1: and funding terrorism back in Mogadishu. These statements are meant 411 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: to alarm, but the actual situation is that Somalia does 412 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,880 Speaker 1: not have a formal banking system and Somalis rely upon 413 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: Jala networks. Yeah, and that's what Christopher Rufo just said. 414 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: And the whole statements are meant to harm. That's your opinion, 415 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: Maybe they're just meant to inform. Maybe they're meant to 416 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,400 Speaker 1: go and let individuals know that the fraud taking place 417 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 1: was funding terrorism, something that the article writer doesn't even 418 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 1: bother to refute because he knows it's true, but he's 419 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 1: not going to admit it because in his mind, in 420 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,120 Speaker 1: my opinion, it undermines the point that he's trying to make, 421 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:58,640 Speaker 1: which doesn't even land either. The Jala couriers are required 422 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 1: by law to report them they are carrying to its destination. 423 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 1: So apparently there's no way that these Howala couriers would 424 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: be in on this as well. They're all on the 425 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: up and up. Apparently these Halala networks are just supposed 426 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 1: to be completely believed. Come on, Al Shabab is a 427 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 1: sanctioned entity by the Department of Treasury's Office of Foreign 428 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:31,159 Speaker 1: Asss Control. In short, gathering large amounts of cash and 429 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: delivering it to Al Shabab would require avoiding the FEDS 430 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 1: at several steps. Yeah, and I mean, you're talking about 431 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 1: billions of dollars in fraud here in Minnesota that went 432 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: largely ignored for years, and yet we're supposed to suddenly 433 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: assume that terrorist organizations are going to be one up 434 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 1: on the up and up, or two not going out 435 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: of their way to hide their criminal activity. Give me. 436 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: He thinks you're stupid, so he gets into the number 437 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 1: of Somalis here in Minnesota, eighty seven thousand, approximately a 438 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: fraction of the millions of Somalis who live in the diaspora, 439 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 1: many of whom send money back home. The remittances we 440 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 1: send keeps the float the local economy and is a 441 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: lifeline to millions in Somalia. Nobody is saying otherwise. The 442 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 1: point is that some of those dollars which you just 443 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: admit are going back over to Somalia are ending up 444 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: in the hands of terrorists. And I just want to 445 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 1: reiterate again what I said at the beginning of the show. 446 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 1: The US census has the Somali population at about sixty 447 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: one three hundred that's reported. The estimates are more closely 448 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 1: aligned with eighty to eighty seven thousand, which raises the 449 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 1: question of how many of those individuals are actually here 450 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: in the country legally. He goes on to right, if 451 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 1: you lived to minnesot in twenty eighteen. This may all 452 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 1: sound familiar. It's because a similar claim was made about 453 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 1: millions of dollars in cash flying out of ms P 454 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 1: to Somalia. The Office of Legislative Auditor conducted an assessment 455 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen stating that despite the serious nature of 456 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 1: the allegations, neither of the former Department of Human Services 457 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 1: employee Scott Stillman nor Fox nine presented specific evidence to 458 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 1: substantiate the allegation. But it also wasn't denied either. Unfortunately, 459 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: that reporting by Fox nine in twenty eighteen gave fraudsters cover. 460 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: It allowed for the dismissal of allegations of fraud as 461 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: just bad faith, racism and Islamophobia. Feckless democrat farmer labor 462 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: politicians were given a license to ignore warnings about fraud 463 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 1: in public programs. The rest is history. He's not wrong, 464 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 1: but this would appear to run counter to his claim 465 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 1: of this being right wing propaganda if it doesn't end 466 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: up helping the right wing. Rufo's actual intentions became all 467 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: too clear, he says, in the hours after the piece ran, 468 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 1: when he unleashed a torrent of anti Somali posts on 469 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 1: x all he did was point to what we've been 470 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: talking about on the show and what they reported in 471 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: their story, saying that it's time for Trump to revoke 472 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 1: the Temporary protected status for all Samali nationals in the US. 473 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: That's all that he wrote. Hours later, Trump announced he 474 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,959 Speaker 1: was ending temporary Protective status for Samali's in Minnesota, citing 475 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 1: the fraudulent money laundering RUFOS celebrated he really just doesn't 476 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 1: like RUFO. We broke the Somali fraud story the laughable 477 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 1: as to dozens of investigators and journalists working on it 478 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 1: over the years, and called on President Donald Trump to 479 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 1: revoke the TPS for all Somali's. The President has now delivered. 480 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 1: This is how we win. To be clear, TPS effects 481 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 1: about seven hundred people nationwide, he writes. The defendants in 482 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 1: Feeding our Future and Medicaid fraud nearly all Americans. And 483 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 1: it was intended to be an attention grabber. That's why 484 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 1: Trump did it. And he's even said that the reality 485 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 1: of the reality of the Somali American Experiment experience is 486 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 1: that we came to the US in search of a 487 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 1: better life. The vast majority of US are on IS 488 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 1: law abiding citizens and have been a plant appalled by 489 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 1: those in our community who have preyed upon programs created 490 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 1: to help low income Minnesotans, including Somali Minnesotans. Listen. I'm 491 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 1: glad that somebody finally from the Somali community spoke out 492 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 1: about this, because this is the first that I've seen 493 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 1: of anybody coming out of that community that's willing to 494 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 1: actually go and say that there are people within that 495 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: community appalled by what is taking place. And I don't 496 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 1: the search for a better life thing. Yeah, as I 497 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 1: said before, when it comes to individuals coming into the 498 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 1: country illegally or coming here legally, everybody's coming here to 499 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 1: better their life. It's how they want to better their 500 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 1: life that makes a difference. What did they become accustomed 501 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 1: to in their country of origin, what is commonplace? Can 502 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 1: more be done to root out fraud in Minnesota? Of course, 503 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 1: DFL like that officials should address the issue of fraud 504 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 1: more forcefully. I would also like to see fewer instances 505 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 1: of some all the business owners reflectively organizing against measures 506 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 1: designed to protect the integrity of our social programs. So 507 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 1: good on him. Regrettably, he then wraps up saying Thorpe 508 00:33:56,040 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 1: and Rufo's vulture journalism. It's an opening to those who 509 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,479 Speaker 1: seek to dismiss the problem of fraud in Minnesota as 510 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 1: right wing demagoguery, undermining the hard work done to shed 511 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 1: light on and prosecute the rampant fraud that has beset 512 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 1: Minnesota's public programs. So really, he just doesn't like the 513 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 1: reporting that was done by Rufo and Thorpe, and everything 514 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 1: in this bed demonstrates why that City Journal reporting was necessary, 515 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 1: because he's right, there was reporting on this already, but 516 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 1: it wasn't gaining national attention, and now it is and 517 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 1: that probably would not have happened without that Sinny Journal report. 518 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 1: And if this individual that wrote in the Minnesota Reformer 519 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 1: really wants to go and help with the situation, stop 520 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 1: disparaging the individuals that are pointing out what is actually 521 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:52,800 Speaker 1: taking place, and support the efforts being made to expose 522 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 1: what's happening. Be factual in your commentary, be fearless in 523 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 1: your commentary, because it's the only way we're going to 524 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 1: be able to go and deal with this problem. Governor 525 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:13,320 Speaker 1: Tim wallas Is, he's a total disaster. He's presented himself 526 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 1: as a champion for those who got tough breaks along 527 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 1: the way. Minnesotan's though who live with addiction and disabilities 528 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 1: are getting caught in the crossfire of the fraud crisis. 529 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 1: Matt Dean had this piece last week in American Experiment. 530 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 1: In twenty twenty five, adults with profound disabilities, many nonverbal, 531 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 1: and under guardianship, received eviction notices from the places the 532 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:40,960 Speaker 1: administration helped fund through the Integregated Community Sports Supports Program, 533 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:46,879 Speaker 1: the ICs program, which was also turned out to be fraudulent. Traditionally, 534 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,280 Speaker 1: these individuals will live in group homes, but ICs allowed 535 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,400 Speaker 1: them to get their own place and receive services to 536 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 1: foster more independent living through Alternative Service Agreements. ICs bills 537 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:01,800 Speaker 1: Medicaid for housing and supportive services that are traditionally provided 538 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 1: to a group home. DHS cut payments to providers in 539 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 1: September of twenty twenty five after ICs allegedly approved Medicaid 540 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,840 Speaker 1: payments for vendors who did not work on the tenant's behalf. 541 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,840 Speaker 1: When this happened, many providers cut off the leases, and 542 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 1: many people with disabilities facing eviction and homelessness are relying 543 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,239 Speaker 1: on families who are assured the ICs program was going 544 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:28,920 Speaker 1: to go and help a loved one, which is completely destroys. 545 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,800 Speaker 1: Anytime you hear Governor Tim Walls trying to go and 546 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,920 Speaker 1: criticize the Trump administration and the One Big Beautiful Bill 547 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 1: for wanting to provide further oversight to medicaid programs so 548 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,879 Speaker 1: that fraud can occur. And yet you have individuals here 549 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 1: subject to losing Medicaid funding because of fraud that was 550 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,879 Speaker 1: enabled under Governor Tim Walls's watch, and yet he won't 551 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,520 Speaker 1: mention any of that. But essentially that amounts to Governor 552 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 1: Tim Walls going and taking away Medicaid funding from minnesotan's 553 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,640 Speaker 1: And one more, just for good measure, the state agency 554 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,400 Speaker 1: in charge of administering SNAP still has not used a 555 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:12,400 Speaker 1: new state law that allows agencies to withhold public assistance 556 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 1: payments amid allegations of fraud. The Channel five story says, 557 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:22,080 Speaker 1: according to the data provided, the state completed seventy nine 558 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:26,879 Speaker 1: hundred investigations into potential fraud in July of twenty four 559 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,279 Speaker 1: through June of this year. In that same period, the 560 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:34,040 Speaker 1: department identified five hundred and fifty five instances of intentional 561 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:38,040 Speaker 1: program violations. The story says that the fraud in SNAP 562 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,840 Speaker 1: is rare. I don't know, I mean seven percent sure, 563 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,440 Speaker 1: but seven percent is still seven percent. Still five hundred 564 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:51,120 Speaker 1: and fifty five instances of intentional program violations. You expect 565 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,040 Speaker 1: this to be a further story in the very near 566 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,600 Speaker 1: future regarding fraud as we continue to talk about it. 567 00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,960 Speaker 1: All right, if you missed any portion of today's show, 568 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,520 Speaker 1: be sure to check out the podcast that'll be available 569 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:06,440 Speaker 1: up on the iHeartRadio app. Thank you so much for 570 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,480 Speaker 1: tuning in this morning. We of course are back at 571 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,920 Speaker 1: it tomorrow. If you want to email me Justice at 572 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,920 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio dot com or leave those talkbacks in overnight. We 573 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,719 Speaker 1: didn't get to a lot of those today, but stay 574 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 1: warm out there. It is incredibly cold, and I'll talk 575 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:20,840 Speaker 1: to you guys tomorrow morning just after six o'clock. Have 576 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:21,799 Speaker 1: a great Monday. Bye.