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Speaker 1: portable like that baby. I think we might be missing
Speaker 1: the big picture when it comes to AI data centers,
Speaker 1: uh semiconductor industry, you know with then Tell and all that,
Speaker 1: and I know that stalled a little bit.
Speaker 2: But big picture, though, is, despite all.
Speaker 1: The environmental and electricity worries, what about restoring American greatness
Speaker 1: relative to technology, relative to manufacturing and in a different
Speaker 1: way than our previous generations did it. I'm talking, of
Speaker 1: course about Ohio now the fifth largest host of AI
Speaker 1: data centers, and that looks to be growing. Are we
Speaker 1: missing because of our fears and not unwarranted fears? I
Speaker 1: think they're legitimate, But I missed the big picture when
Speaker 1: it comes to expanding the job space here in Ohio,
Speaker 1: which is sorely needed. In the show this morning is
Speaker 1: Doug Kelly from Columbus. He is CEO of something called
Speaker 1: the American Edge Project that deals with us. Doug, welcome back, Howray,
Speaker 1: Thanks Scott, how are you I'm doing fine. The reason
Speaker 1: why most of the civilized world speaks English because it
Speaker 1: is the business of language and the business that we created.
Speaker 1: American entrepreneurship industry created that environment. Dollar is the standard currency,
Speaker 1: the reserve currency.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: How important is it to continue to lean on tech
Speaker 1: in order to continue that and put it into context
Speaker 1: with the congressional plan now with TikTok where they're going
Speaker 1: to make an American health company and kind of use
Speaker 1: that as a front.
Speaker 3: Well, just a back one second, and let's look at
Speaker 3: the importance of technology in our overall daily lives. Right.
Speaker 3: So tech isn't just another sector of the economy, right,
Speaker 3: it is a very backbone of our national security or
Speaker 3: economy and the advancement of values that we really care about,
Speaker 3: free expression and letting your voice be heard. So the
Speaker 3: challenge is when Congress talks about regulating technology, it can't
Speaker 3: paint with a very broad brush. Right, there's things that
Speaker 3: it can do that can either help our ability to
Speaker 3: innovate and compete against China, or are the things they
Speaker 3: can do that can fundamentally damage our ability to remain
Speaker 3: the technological leader in the world. They've passed that chips
Speaker 3: and science build, which is going to help bring more
Speaker 3: manufacturing and semi conductor chips the United States. It'll create
Speaker 3: technology hubs. It will also increase funding for STEM education.
Speaker 3: So that's an example of a really good thing that
Speaker 3: Congress are doing to help our ability to innovate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, I think that's important too, because
Speaker 1: there is a lot of bad. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: negative with this, and that is that our enemies have
Speaker 1: learned to poison up ourselves. You know, a lot us
Speaker 1: poison ourselves basically, which has always been the goal. That's
Speaker 1: you know, the fallow role. I'm destroyed from within. A
Speaker 1: lot of people predict that for the United States of America.
Speaker 1: I think we always find a way to write the
Speaker 1: ship though, right, We don't go away. We figure out
Speaker 1: how to adapt and we move on. We're really good
Speaker 1: at that.
Speaker 3: That's right. I mean, that's the heart of the American
Speaker 3: genius is our ability to innovate and adjust as circumstances come.
Speaker 3: So one of our concerns is that some of the
Speaker 3: bills that Congress is talking about passing are things that
Speaker 3: would undermine our ability as a country to innovate, and
Speaker 3: particularly they would target America's most innovative technology companies. Now
Speaker 3: these companies, yeah, they run social media platforms, they make
Speaker 3: hardware and software. But what a lot of people don't
Speaker 3: know is that the biggest technology companies in the US
Speaker 3: are also the biggest investors and the most important strategic
Speaker 3: technologies that we're battling with against kind of so artificial intelligence,
Speaker 3: robotics on them, computing, these are all the technologies that
Speaker 3: are going to determine who leads in the future. And
Speaker 3: so as Congress wants to clamp down on those companies,
Speaker 3: it's going to hurt our ability to invest in those areas,
Speaker 3: to develop and master those technologies, and it's going to
Speaker 3: hand over to China an edge that we're not going
Speaker 3: to get back, just like what happened with manufacturing.
Speaker 1: Well in another edge too, we get back to Afghanistan
Speaker 1: and the fall there and how middle will rich that
Speaker 1: country is now that China has control of that or
Speaker 1: Russia as control or whatever. Now, now, where are we
Speaker 1: going to get these Where are we going to get
Speaker 1: the precious natural resources in order to make the chips
Speaker 1: that you're talking about. That that's you know, we talk
Speaker 1: about how important that is, but I think that fits
Speaker 1: into what you're discussing here because the topic of rare
Speaker 1: earth minerals is now front and center.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're exactly right. I mean, you know, at the
Speaker 3: end of the day, we are in this competition in China,
Speaker 3: and it's okay, who can build the most microchips, who
Speaker 3: can have the most innovation. China knows that innovation is
Speaker 3: its weak spot, right. They're good at copying and reverse
Speaker 3: engineering things, but their challenge is innovation, and they've invested
Speaker 3: a lot of money to boost their innovation. So at
Speaker 3: the end of the day, the US has to do
Speaker 3: things that accelerates our ability to innovate, and that includes
Speaker 3: things like freeing up our biggest innovators, making smart investment
Speaker 3: in building core critical technologies here. Now, there's certain things
Speaker 3: that can be done to you know, where the pressure
Speaker 3: and pain points come where technology hits politics and society.
Speaker 3: There's certainly regulations could be done there, right, Connors should
Speaker 3: pass a privacy policies so people understand what their data
Speaker 3: is being used for, what control they have over So
Speaker 3: there's certainly smart things that can be done there. But
Speaker 3: some of the things they're talking about in Washington right
Speaker 3: now just under minor ability to innovate, and they actually
Speaker 3: don't solve the problems that people are feeling.
Speaker 1: You know, Trump for the well second time now there's
Speaker 1: a new sheriff in town. Wasn't long ago where he
Speaker 1: had dignitaries in the United States go to places like
Speaker 1: Taiwan and try and build relationships with US. Rank in
Speaker 1: that connection to the United States and Tiuan because they're
Speaker 1: responsible for all the stuff we're talking about right now.
Speaker 1: We make a very small percentage, like twelve percent of
Speaker 1: those semiconductor products right now, so they're an important ally.
Speaker 1: We can't give that up.
Speaker 3: You are spot on what that's got. I mean in
Speaker 3: the nineties when semiconduct were invented, right, American manufactured most
Speaker 3: of them. Now we manufacture just twelve percent, with the
Speaker 3: bulk of the most sophisticated chips being made in Taiwan,
Speaker 3: which is just one hundred miles away from China. And
Speaker 3: if China made a move on Taiwan that was fundamentally
Speaker 3: Do you think the COVID supply chain attruction was big,
Speaker 3: that would be enormous. Yeah, And so you know, we
Speaker 3: have to be able to make sure that we're making
Speaker 3: in our own backyard as well, and at the same time,
Speaker 3: we have to do actions that checked China's ambitions, both
Speaker 3: from a technology sign but also from a little bloy ambition.
Speaker 1: In regards to Doug Kelly, CEO American Edge Project on
Speaker 1: the show on seven hundred WLW, you're right there in Columbus.
Speaker 1: You're going to see this huge Intel plant and essentially
Speaker 1: town that is built to make semiconductors right here in Ohio.
Speaker 1: What's that mean for the state in America as well?
Speaker 1: I mean, that seems to be a huge step forward.
Speaker 1: We talk about the lack of manufacturing in America, but
Speaker 1: this is high tech manufacturing, good for jobs and how
Speaker 1: to be sure, but in TOEP putting having a big
Speaker 1: footprint right here in Ohio let alone, the United States
Speaker 1: also is kind of what you're talking about here, and
Speaker 1: that is sounds like the United States, we're trying to
Speaker 1: increase our share of that market.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, it's going to be great news for
Speaker 3: Ohio and all the Midwest. First of all, you know
Speaker 3: when I talk about unintended consequences of bills that Congress
Speaker 3: may pass, right, you know, twenty years ago Condress did
Speaker 3: some things on manufacturing that kind of slowly led manufacturing
Speaker 3: jobs over twenty years, many of them exported to China.
Speaker 3: And so one thing we don't want to have happen
Speaker 3: with the bills that Congress is talking about is unintended
Speaker 3: consequences that hurt our ability to manufacture and innovate on
Speaker 3: the technology side. And so the passage of this chip
Speaker 3: bill is going to bring new jobs, three thousand new
Speaker 3: jobs into Ohio just that plant. But at the same time,
Speaker 3: when you have like they're building construction trades and the
Speaker 3: other people have to build these facilities, those are going
Speaker 3: to be even more jobs there. So it's a huge
Speaker 3: multiplier effect in building our own technology here.
Speaker 1: Doug Kelly and Columbus CEO of the American Edge Project,
Speaker 1: which is pushing more and more tech, and you know,
Speaker 1: we've got Intel at some point, I think third twenty
Speaker 1: thirty one, as I saw when they opened the plant
Speaker 1: near Columbus you're talking about. But you know, the AI
Speaker 1: data centers and everything else in Ohio is fifth in
Speaker 1: the country when it comes to those data centers, which
Speaker 1: I think is awesome, and there's some concerns there too.
Speaker 1: You know, we talk about the environmental we talked about electricity,
Speaker 1: the power and the grid. I talk about that a
Speaker 1: lot too, and it's conld put a bigger drain on
Speaker 1: the system, but you build more infrastructures supposed to just
Speaker 1: prevent people from doing this. We've got to continue to
Speaker 1: innovate and lead the world for not only our economic future,
Speaker 1: but also for our survival too, because we we got
Speaker 1: to stay on top ors of the Chinese and the Russians.
Speaker 1: That's had a lot of people listening are concerned about
Speaker 1: social media the impact it has on young kids. For example,
Speaker 1: are you suggesting in some way, shape or form, maybe
Speaker 1: an unregulated Internet or it's hard to censor the First
Speaker 1: Amendment because that is a guy given inalienable right in
Speaker 1: this country. But there's got to be a balance there.
Speaker 1: How do you do that.
Speaker 3: Well, I would say that, you know, our coalition is
Speaker 3: you know, twenty four different groups of you know, people
Speaker 3: who represent small businesses, minority business, Asian American businesses, as
Speaker 3: well as technology companies. And our message is focused on
Speaker 3: the importance of innovation because sometimes, you know, people forget
Speaker 3: that innovation is America's secret sauce that puts us ahead
Speaker 3: of other countries, and it's kept as they head of
Speaker 3: other countries. To address your specific question. You know, at
Speaker 3: the end of the day, there are certain regulations that
Speaker 3: can be done that will give people clarity and insight
Speaker 3: on Okay, what could we be done with our data? Right,
Speaker 3: so Congress could pass the privacy policy. But what we're
Speaker 3: against the things that fundamentally disrupt America's ability to innovate.
Speaker 3: And that's the thing that we feel Congress is Russian
Speaker 3: full with this legislation. And it's not just on fa
Speaker 3: I mean, right when you think of the biggest company Google, Amazon, Microsoft,
Speaker 3: these are companies are making game cheese and investments in
Speaker 3: the technology of the future. And if you if you
Speaker 3: disrupt or break apart those companies, it's gonna have lasting consequences.
Speaker 3: So at the end of the day, we're for innovation
Speaker 3: at the American ADS Project, and that's what gives us
Speaker 3: our edge. But we're for smart type of regulation that
Speaker 3: actually solve the problem or against reckless regulation.
Speaker 1: Right and generally when you start to break up companies,
Speaker 1: you know, we say that here Cincinnati Bell, for example,
Speaker 1: as no longer Cincinnati Bell for it. But but you
Speaker 1: know when they broke up the baby bell and the
Speaker 1: baby bells, you know, back in the back in the
Speaker 1: Day forty something years ago, fifty years ago.
Speaker 2: That was to.
Speaker 1: Control a monopoly. I don't know if I see that
Speaker 1: as much with big tech in that argument. And certainly
Speaker 1: Facebook is massive, and there's a lot of big alphabet right,
Speaker 1: a lot of big companies out there that do this
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. But I just don't see the tech
Speaker 1: the advantage in breaking them up. It's gonna Does it
Speaker 1: make competition better or harder?
Speaker 3: Well, there's fierce competition and right now, So for the
Speaker 3: opponents of the big tech companies, I just challenged their
Speaker 3: assumption and their assertion that there's not competition there. I mean,
Speaker 3: Facebook is battling them out all the time when the
Speaker 3: other social media companies TikTok, and so there's really fierce
Speaker 3: competition among these and that forces innovations faster. And so
Speaker 3: right now, with the current regulatory scheme we have of
Speaker 3: how do we deal with monopolistic activity, it's done to
Speaker 3: the court. That's the right way to go. That system works.
Speaker 3: There's no need to fundamentally disrupt that because technology moves
Speaker 3: really really fast. And I'm old enough to remember my
Speaker 3: Space and AOL when they were the big behemoth, right,
Speaker 3: And you know what the market took care of that,
Speaker 3: So we believe the market takes care of a lot
Speaker 3: of problems in competition. Is the real accelerance on that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But the argument that would be, well, if you
Speaker 1: just made a case Kelly and said, hey, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: it's pretty fierce competitively now, but if we broke everything
Speaker 1: up in the smaller companies are thinking, well, that creates
Speaker 1: even more competition, doesn't it. Or the other way to
Speaker 1: look at it as well, it's it's much tougher now
Speaker 1: to fund those companies because almost like a startup at
Speaker 1: the beginning, right, there's only so much you can do
Speaker 1: with the wealth at Facebook and other companies of a mask,
Speaker 1: it's probably easier at this point, right. So what I'm
Speaker 1: saying is, if you're using your argument, if you broke
Speaker 1: everything in the smaller pieces of the pie, you create
Speaker 1: more competition?
Speaker 2: Is that not necessarily true?
Speaker 3: Well, but there's some things that can only be done
Speaker 3: at large scale, right, So we're in the we're in
Speaker 3: the kind of the platform economy phase right of global development,
Speaker 3: right China as it's a big platform. We have our
Speaker 3: big platforms, and those platforms generate new ideas across a
Speaker 3: lot of different business lines, and they also generate profits
Speaker 3: which are then investing into this cutting edd research. And
Speaker 3: I'll just give an example, right in those strategic technologies
Speaker 3: of the future that I talked about, our five big
Speaker 3: as technology companies in America invest more each year in
Speaker 3: those than the Pentagon does. Right, And these are dual
Speaker 3: use technologies, right, So they're both for military purpose but
Speaker 3: also for commercial purpose. And so we can either hand
Speaker 3: that at China militarily. But worse of all worse is
Speaker 3: that that would give them a competitive advantage. Do we
Speaker 3: want them to sell all the different AI solutions? Do
Speaker 3: we want them to sell the quantum computer solutions to
Speaker 3: the world and reap that economic benefit? Well, that's not
Speaker 3: of what we want. Yeah, because it really matters which
Speaker 3: country and which set of values builds the future. Is
Speaker 3: it going to be US China? It's a simple question.
Speaker 1: You know, you mentioned that data privacy and things. It's
Speaker 1: certainly big tech, and you know people who use big
Speaker 1: tech can join hand in hand.
Speaker 2: Go, okay, that's something we should fight.
Speaker 1: The most contentious thing, of course, is section two thirty,
Speaker 1: which is wonky. But you know, if you don't know
Speaker 1: what that means, it's simple. It means that platform like Facebook,
Speaker 1: for example, are not legally responsible for what people post
Speaker 1: on them. So prior to this, if a website you know,
Speaker 1: modified content or whatever, they're legally responsible for anyone who
Speaker 1: posted on that website. I look at this, it's almost
Speaker 1: like me trying to control what a caller would say
Speaker 1: to a talk show. I can't control what you're thinking
Speaker 1: or saying. Now, there are certain dirty words I can
Speaker 1: bleep out and the like, but generally your message is
Speaker 1: as long as you don't swear, you can say pretty
Speaker 1: much whatever the hell you want. I kind of look
Speaker 1: at it that way. When it comes to section two thirty.
Speaker 1: It's bad and you have people can lie and spread mistruths,
Speaker 1: and you pretend to be a I don't know, a
Speaker 1: sixteen year old girl when they're actually a seventy five
Speaker 1: year old man. I get that, but by and large,
Speaker 1: I don't, you know. I kind of look at it
Speaker 1: the same way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, a whole point behind section two thirty
Speaker 3: was to help innovation go and grow, and it has
Speaker 3: served its purpose specifically on the content moderation piece. Look,
Speaker 3: we believe in having more voices in the marketplace. Right
Speaker 3: or at the end, of the day. The best ideas
Speaker 3: are going to win. And yeah, acte what you said right.
Speaker 3: There's certain techniques and activities in as far as actors
Speaker 3: are going to do, but more voices in the marketplace
Speaker 3: being able to speak their truth and be able to
Speaker 3: say what their opinion is. That's better. That helps our country,
Speaker 3: that builds a stronger, more robust electric.
Speaker 1: Doug Kelly, CEO of American Edge Project up in Columbus,
Speaker 1: and it's all about American led innovation and keeping the
Speaker 1: Internet open, which I agree pretty well with most of
Speaker 1: this stuff. Anyway, Doug gotta go. Thanks to the TOME. I
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Hey, thanks Scott, great day you too as well.
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