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Speaker 1: of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 2: Aye.

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Speaker 3: Yes, football in the Natty, Believe it or not. The

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Speaker 3: Bengals are still playing games, even after three consecutive losses,

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Speaker 3: and they're going to play this weekend at lambeau Field

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Speaker 3: against the Green Bay Packers, and it's probably gonna be

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Speaker 3: with Joe Flaccos starting at quarterback. More on that in

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Speaker 3: just a moment. If you were thinking, gosh, how did

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Speaker 3: the Joe Flacco news, How did that change the betting

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Speaker 3: of a boost really is this from one Joe Flacco. Well,

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Speaker 3: they went from fourteen and a half point favorites green

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Speaker 3: point by Joe Flaco. Joe, it was announced this morning

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Speaker 3: Number sixteen. Will Flacco wear his number fifteen already taken

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Speaker 3: Earlier today, Joe's agent spoke with the media in Cleveland,

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Speaker 3: said quote, Joe loves Cleveland and understands what happened over

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Speaker 3: the last four weeks. He has really cherished his time

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Speaker 3: challenge in Cincinnati. Joe is like any kid in America

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Speaker 3: the agent for Joe Flacco, and a little bit more.

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Speaker 3: Over the last couple of hours, more details have come

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Speaker 3: thought it was interesting what Ian Rappaport had to say

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Speaker 4: You wondered what the Bengals and Chief of Personnel Duke

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Speaker 4: Togan would do over the last four to eight hours,

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Speaker 4: where would they find a starting quarterback? And minunderstanding is

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Speaker 4: they really canvass the league to try to find one.

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Speaker 4: Yesterday afternoon they sat around one.

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Speaker 3: It was a rare Intra Division trade.

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Speaker 4: It was Joe Flackum going from the Cleveland Browns to

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Speaker 2: Essentially, it's BLACKO.

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Speaker 4: And a sixth to the Bengals and a fifth rounder.

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Speaker 4: The value there is about a sixth rounder which sounds

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Speaker 4: probably was eventually going to be the three. If you're

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Speaker 4: the Bengals, you give Joe Flacco more weapons than he's

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Speaker 4: ever had, T Higgins and Jamar Chase, and you give

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Speaker 4: yourself a shot. Joe Burrow comes back in the middle

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Speaker 4: Burrow will be back. Flaco's led a team into the playoffs,

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Speaker 3: We will see who can go to day Ian Rappaport

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Speaker 3: with a lot of music in the background on Good

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Speaker 3: Morning Football this morning. The part that I found interesting

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Speaker 3: there is that the Bengals apparently canvassed the rest of

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Speaker 3: Dan Graziano of ESPN reported that there were conversations about

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Speaker 3: Sam Howell in Philadelphia, about Drew Locke in Seattle. I

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Speaker 3: think he's with Seattle right now, but ultimately they decided

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Speaker 3: on Joe. Flacco also said that Russell Wilson and Jamis

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Speaker 3: Why aren't those guys real options? Why aren't those legitimate

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Speaker 3: If you canvassed the league and you made phone calls

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Speaker 3: How's that possible? That's very confusing to me. Listen, I'm

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Speaker 3: what we're going through right now with the Bengals. It's

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Speaker 3: gotten to that point with the quarterback play. Desperate times

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Speaker 3: now desperate measures. Joe Flacco when he takes the field

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Speaker 6: And gone Rawley's first of the playoffs, and it's eight

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Speaker 3: pretty cool moment last night in Detroit. The Big Dumper

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Speaker 11: Now, my condolences to Tony and to you on this

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Speaker 3: He's a real talent. And then if he's listening, hang

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Speaker 2: My friend.

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Speaker 11: Absolutely, thank you. As far as the quarterback situation with

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Speaker 11: Without question and the takeaway I'm going to have And

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Speaker 11: a quick healer. Just stay afloat till late November. Maybe

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Speaker 11: he comes back even sooner. And this AFC is so

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Speaker 3: Be the case.

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Speaker 11: I'm not going to come up to see Joe Flacco play,

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Speaker 3: There all right, John, thank you, I appreciate it. I

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Speaker 3: Let's go to Blue Ash. Let's talk to Tim. What's up, Tim?

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Speaker 9: I was going. My first stought is getting Joe Flacco

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Speaker 9: He's a super Bowl winner. I mean, we're elite now,

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Speaker 9: Bill Flacco is an elite quarterback?

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Speaker 3: Is he That's been the question about him for the

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Speaker 9: FPFP comming there, he's an elite quarterback. We all know this.

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Speaker 9: He's going to get the Bengals to probably nine wins,

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Speaker 9: barely make the playoffs. Gurl's going to come back super

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Speaker 3: how's it going.

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Speaker 13: I I talked to you guys just before the season

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Speaker 3: there's something there. I haven't hated everything I've seen from

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Speaker 3: right now with the Bengals wide receivers, and that in

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Speaker 3: and of itself, you feel like can elevate his play.

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Speaker 3: And if they're able to play that quick game, then

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Speaker 3: that can elevate the play of the offense as a whole,

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Speaker 3: maybe open up more in the run game, create chances

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Speaker 3: for Jamar Chase and t Higgins because the game plans

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Speaker 3: I don't feel like have been awful the last couple

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Speaker 3: of weeks, but the quarterback play has and it's easy

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Speaker 3: to see if you watch games around the league. It's

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Speaker 3: easy to see how different it is from a guy

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Speaker 3: who gets it and a guy who doesn't. And all

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Speaker 3: you got to do is go back and even look

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Speaker 3: at Joe against Cleveland, or Joe Burrow against Jacksonville early on,

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Speaker 3: or any other game in Burrow's career. You can see

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Speaker 3: the difference between a guy who is confident in his

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Speaker 3: ability to operate the offense and a guy who's not,

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Speaker 3: like Jake Browning was. And maybe coming into this week

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Speaker 3: on a short week of preparation, you dumb it down

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Speaker 3: a little bit and you simplify the offense for Flacco,

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Speaker 3: for the receivers, for everybody, and you just go out

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Speaker 3: and play football a little bit more relaxed. Maybe that's

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Speaker 3: part of the conversation as well. We'll take a break,

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Speaker 3: we'll come back. This is ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 15: This week, it will be a four quarter pad founder

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Speaker 15: when the Bengals try to slice through the backers. To

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Speaker 15: be honest, I prefer my cheese shred it, but eating

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Speaker 15: it does make me gussie. There will be no love

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Speaker 15: lost at Lembo Field, or will there. Sunday coverage begins

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Speaker 15: of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 3: Since he three sixty ESPN fifteen thirty on Austin Elmore.

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Speaker 3: I have to ask my producer Drew a question, because

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Speaker 3: Drew is a Browns fan and has watched, to my knowledge,

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Speaker 3: every single Joe Flacco snap this season, including some of

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Speaker 3: them in person. Drew, what are the I can't even

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Speaker 3: say with the straight face. What are the Bengals getting

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Speaker 3: in forty year old Joe Flacco? From what you've seen

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Speaker 3: this year?

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Speaker 16: You're gonna get a guy that looks really good in

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Speaker 16: his uniform, Paul handsome.

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Speaker 3: Forty year old man.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, on the quarterback playing front, I don't know. It's

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Speaker 16: I think the Bengals and the Browns offensive lines are

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Speaker 16: are about the same.

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Speaker 3: Not very good.

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Speaker 16: You're gonna have to I do agree with the sentiment

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Speaker 16: that this is the best weapons that he's ever he has.

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Speaker 16: They're far better than the weapons he had in Cleveland.

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Speaker 16: But I watched just about every snap of him his

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Speaker 16: start for the Browns this year, in the four games

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Speaker 16: that he started, and I think it was about the

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Speaker 16: third quarter of the Lions game where I was like,

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Speaker 16: I've seen enough. You know, we'll always have twenty three.

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Speaker 16: We'll always have that special time when he came in

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Speaker 16: off the couch and had a December to remember, remember

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Speaker 16: Jake Browning for the Cleveland Browns.

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Speaker 3: So and I think he probably, you know, he wants

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Speaker 3: to play.

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Speaker 16: Obviously, his agent said that when he talked talked to

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Speaker 16: the media about how grateful he is to Cleveland and how,

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Speaker 16: like any kid, he would rather be playing. I think

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Speaker 16: he probably went to Andrew Berry in the management with

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Speaker 16: the Browns and said, hey, look, you know, if somebody

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Speaker 16: comes to call in and wants me to come play,

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Speaker 16: I would really appreciate if you guys made a move

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Speaker 16: like that. And I think that is I think the

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Speaker 16: Browns did right by Flacco in that case, and I

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Speaker 16: think that's kind of proven with the fact that they'd

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Speaker 16: made this trade with an inner division team.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm right there with you, and and uh, you know,

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Speaker 3: good for him him. You know that he gets a

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Speaker 3: chance to play, he gets to play, and who knows

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Speaker 3: he might come out. And his one win on the

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Speaker 3: year was against the Green Bay Packers. Now that was

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Speaker 3: a home He made about three pretty good throws in

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Speaker 3: that game. One led him one led to one led

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Speaker 3: to the game winning field goals.

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Speaker 16: So and you know he's not He's not going to

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Speaker 16: be surprised at what he sees out there, even if

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Speaker 16: it's a team he's already seen this year once. Yeah,

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Speaker 16: you know, nothing's going to surprise him. He's seen it

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Speaker 16: all in his time in the NFL, So you at

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Speaker 16: least have that. And I agree with the sentiment of

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Speaker 16: a lot of Bengals fans is that, well, it couldn't

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Speaker 16: really get any worse.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that that's just a fact. To be honest,

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Speaker 3: I really don't think it could be. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: know it's not actually a fact, but it is a

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Speaker 3: fact as far as I'm concerned, based off of everything

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Speaker 3: that that I have seen and heard about. The way

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Speaker 3: that Jake Browning was playing the position was actually crazy.

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Speaker 3: I was. I was producing the show down the Hall

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Speaker 3: yesterday afternoon. It dawned on me. Rocky Boyman in two

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Speaker 3: thousand and nine played against Joe Flacco. Is that not ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: It's just crazy to think about. Well, was it?

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Speaker 16: Like I forget it was Willy something blocked for him.

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Speaker 16: Moe was talking about this on his show yesterday Willy Anders,

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Speaker 16: Willy and Mandles Ring of Honor nominee. Correct, Yeah, Ring

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Speaker 16: of Honor. Remember he blocked for Joe flat He was

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Speaker 16: drafted in nineteen ninety six and blocked for Joe Flacco.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, and they were pretty good with the Ravens

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Speaker 3: at that time. All right, good stuff. We'll continue the

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Speaker 3: three to sixty. On ESPN fifteen thirty, I'm Austin Elmore.

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Speaker 3: Coming up in just a little bit, we'll hear from

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Speaker 3: the head coach of the Bengals, Zach Taylor, who is

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Speaker 3: according to Zach Taylor. John Sheeran joins us now from

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Speaker 3: A to Z Sports. John, when you hear that Joe

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Speaker 3: Flacco is starting a game for the Cincinnati Bengals in

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Speaker 3: the Year of Our Lord twenty twenty five, your reaction

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Speaker 3: is what.

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Speaker 19: Well, I think.

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Speaker 14: And when you're in any fever dream, you just kind

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Speaker 14: of have to just keep shugging along, right, You just

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Speaker 14: keep taking it one day at a time, because I

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Speaker 14: can't describe what the last month has been.

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Speaker 2: It's been crazy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Uh, how does it is this a good thing?

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Speaker 3: Does it mean hope? Does it, at least at the

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Speaker 3: bare minimum, give Bengals fans hope that they can compete

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Speaker 3: this year?

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Speaker 14: I think the hope is the fact that they were

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Speaker 14: willing to do anything at all, I think because they've

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Speaker 14: developed a reputation obviously for never doing in season trades.

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Speaker 14: Of course, all three of them in their history have

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Speaker 14: come in the last five years under Zach Taylor. All

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Speaker 14: of them have been prompted by some sort of desperation

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Speaker 14: or something bad happens. Right, Carlo Dunlop get sent off

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Speaker 14: to Seattle because he blew up. Khalil Herbert was brought

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Speaker 14: in because the fans were just dying for something when

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Speaker 14: Zach Moss went down and the offense needed some help.

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Speaker 14: And obviously now you you couldn't, like, you couldn't stay

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Speaker 14: with a straight face that you have any confidence in

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Speaker 14: Jake Brownie right, So like getting a new face in

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Speaker 14: their quarterback seemed very necessary, and it was.

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Speaker 3: A desperate move.

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Speaker 14: And I think that's just how you have to look

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Speaker 14: at it. Joe Flacco, there isn't a high probability that

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Speaker 14: he's for certain going to be better than Jake Brininge.

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Speaker 14: Like that's just the reality of it. There is things

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Speaker 14: to like about Joe Flacco compared to Jake Brownie right,

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Speaker 14: a better arm, more experience, and you think that the

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Speaker 14: ball is going to get out quicker and at least

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Speaker 14: to the targets on a timely manner when Brown couldn't

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Speaker 14: do that. But will the results be any different? It's

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Speaker 14: really tough to say. But the fact that they're willing

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Speaker 14: to do anything at all, I think is relative to

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Speaker 14: the Bengals standards commendable. And I think that's if you

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Speaker 14: want to hang around on anything, if you're a Bengals fan, it's.

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Speaker 3: At least that. Do you think that has an effect

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Speaker 3: on the locker room, to say, okay, they are at

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Speaker 3: least trying to do something to help us out here.

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Speaker 3: Do you think specifically it has an impact on Jamar

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Speaker 3: Chase and t Higgins to put a little bit of

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Speaker 3: a pep in their step and maybe a jolt to

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Speaker 3: everyone else. I think so.

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Speaker 14: Yeah. I think we've seen it so many other times

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Speaker 14: in which they waited far too long to do anything

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Speaker 14: of note, and their willingness to stand by to stick

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Speaker 14: by their guys even when they're not playing well. It

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Speaker 14: has derailed some seasons in the past. And I think

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Speaker 14: when you're specifically talking about the quarterback, who is more

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Speaker 14: important than anyone else in that locker room, if there

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Speaker 14: is faith lost in that guy, and in this case

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Speaker 14: it happened to be Browning. It's really hard to galvanize

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Speaker 14: the fifty two other players there to show up every

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Speaker 14: Sunday and give it. They're all when they when maybe

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Speaker 14: they don't have trust in the decision makers, you know,

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Speaker 14: doing what's best for them. So I think there's all

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Speaker 14: the respect to who Browning is and the effort that

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Speaker 14: And when you're two and three, it's not. It's rarely

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Speaker 14: a good spot to be in. But this is a

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Speaker 14: weird year for the AFC. Specifically in two and three

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Speaker 14: keeps you somewhat alive, and if you're still holding out

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Speaker 14: on the hope that Joe Burrow could potentially potentially return

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Speaker 14: in December, getting someone who has at least a chance

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Speaker 14: of being better and keeping you afloat like that, that

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Speaker 14: has to mean at least a little bit of something

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Speaker 14: to the locker room and the leaders in there who

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Speaker 14: are looking to the coaching staff.

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Speaker 3: For leadership above them. Let's rewind to Sunday's game against Detroit.

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Speaker 3: It didn't feel like the defense embarrassed themselves against a

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Speaker 3: really good offense, but it still didn't feel like a

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Speaker 3: great performance. What did you take away from the Bengals

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Speaker 3: defense on Sunday against the Lions.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it was a.

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Speaker 14: Little bit similar to the game against the Vikings, obviously

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Speaker 14: the turnovers with standing, but you know, I think it

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Speaker 14: was worse when the Lions were given great field position

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Speaker 14: on multiple occasions, and that's unfortunately where a lot of

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Speaker 14: the pass rush was a bit promising. The Angles got

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Speaker 14: a big break without Taylor Decker playing the left tackle,

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Speaker 14: so Trey Henderson went up against the backup and he

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Speaker 14: did what Trey Henderson did. Miles Murphy even got us

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Speaker 14: solo sack for the first time since he was the rookie.

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Speaker 14: So yeah, it's like any sort of flash and promise

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Speaker 14: from the pass rush, it always tends to have a

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Speaker 14: really good positive effect on the defense as a whole.

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Speaker 14: But yeah, I think we all came into this game

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Speaker 14: knowing that the lines were going to score points regardless

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Speaker 14: of the extra opportunities that the Bengals are going to

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Speaker 14: give them. They ended up scoring thirty five, and I

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Speaker 14: think thirty five again like a thirty seventy Excuse me,

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Speaker 14: because two points with the safety, but thirty five for

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Speaker 14: the defense, right, And I think that with the context

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Speaker 14: of how many times they were kind of put in

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Speaker 14: really bad situations knowing that they were probably going to

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Speaker 14: give up a round thirty, I think it was pretty

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Speaker 14: par for the course, which again, thirty five points is

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Speaker 14: a lot, but this is still relative to the standards of.

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Speaker 2: The Bengals defense.

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Speaker 14: And I think they showed a decent amount of flash

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Speaker 14: throughout the game where it's like, Okay, they weren't too

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Speaker 14: completely bowled over by an offense that has the capability

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Speaker 14: of doing that.

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Speaker 3: Talking to John Sheeran a weekly guest for us, and

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Speaker 3: moved him up a day for the second time already

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Speaker 3: this season, you aren't kidding, it's it's been a weird year.

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Speaker 3: What do you make of Al Golden specifically in the

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Speaker 3: way he's deployed some of the players, like last week,

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Speaker 3: Logan Wilson has now one hundred percent of the snaps,

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Speaker 3: Demitrius Knight takes a step back, and maybe the young

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Speaker 3: guys aren't playing as much as we expected. How do

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Speaker 3: you how do you? I guess what is your takeaway

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Speaker 3: from the way that Golden has kind of used those

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Speaker 3: young players specifically the young linebackers.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, the linebackers are interesting, and like there was a

682
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Speaker 14: lot of promise about Brett Carter and he ended up

683
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Speaker 14: out snapping Oran Berks in this past game, right and

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Speaker 14: orin Burgers have been getting a lot of trust as

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Speaker 14: both a blitzer and someone who can drop back into coverage.

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Speaker 14: So that was interesting. And you know, we talked about

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Speaker 14: how Logan Wilson may have to take a little bit

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Speaker 14: of a step back, and then of course he played

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Speaker 14: one hundred percent steps in this game. So the Lions

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Speaker 14: are an interesting offense to combat. They run a lot

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Speaker 14: of twelve personnel, more than most teams in the league.

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Speaker 14: So the Bengals ran a lot of five to two fronts,

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Speaker 14: so they had a lot of you know, four or

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Speaker 14: three packages as well. They only played like their third

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Speaker 14: cornerback camp tay lerc bred On and played like thirty

696
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Speaker 14: five percent of the snaps in this game. So it

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Speaker 14: was a different It was a different offense for them

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Speaker 14: to combat, and it required some different personnel. I don't

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Speaker 14: have an issue with getting Barreck Carter some exposure, especially

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Speaker 14: when Mutrich snitd' is still getting his feet wet and

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Speaker 14: you want to be mindful of what you want.

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Speaker 2: To do against some of these offenses.

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Speaker 14: I think my focus was more on why was Miles

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Speaker 14: Murphy only getting thirteen snaps while Joseph Asig and Kim

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Speaker 14: Sample were playing more and dropping back in the coverage

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Speaker 14: probably more than they probably should have. So like that

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Speaker 14: is still a variable that I don't quite understand. It

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Speaker 14: needs to be some sort of an adjustment that he

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Speaker 14: needs to take into two account. But I think at

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Speaker 14: the very least he's been adaptable in some of these

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Speaker 14: ways to just adapting to which the next team that

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Speaker 14: he's going.

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Speaker 3: Up against, ye and looking ahead to Green Bay, a

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Speaker 3: team that I think is is similar to Detroit but

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Speaker 3: maybe not as loaded. When you think about this matchup Sunday,

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Speaker 3: where does your mind instantly outside of Joe Flacco being

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Speaker 3: on the field, how can the how do the Bengals

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Speaker 3: and Packers match up? In your mind? What's the most

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Speaker 3: important part.

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Speaker 14: I think their offense is not as consistent as maybe

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Speaker 14: it needs to be the Packers, but their receivers, I mean,

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Speaker 14: just going even back to the Rogers days, they create

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Speaker 14: such initial separation off of the snap and off of

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Speaker 14: the line. Romeo Dobbs does that better than most people

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Speaker 14: would have expected him to. I think at this point

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Speaker 14: in his career, they have weapons for Love, and Love

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Speaker 14: does a really good job of finding his guys on

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Speaker 14: some of these off platform throws, like he's got a

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Speaker 14: very live arm, and they separate really well and work

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Speaker 14: really well against man coverage. So obviously pressuring Love, I

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Speaker 14: mean it's the same song and answer that every quarterback

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Speaker 14: right now. You get pressure in his face, you disrupt

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Speaker 14: his rhythm and all that stuff. But I think the

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Speaker 14: onus right now for the Bengals defense is to try

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Speaker 14: to limit how much inside separation these receivers can get.

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Speaker 14: Specifically on some of these slants. It works wondrous for

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Speaker 14: that Packers offense and their timing is impeccable, but it

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Speaker 14: just does such a great job of separating with their

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Speaker 14: hands and off the line. So that's something the Bengals

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Speaker 14: quarterbacks DJ Turner, Dax Hill, Camp Taylor great or jobsonon

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Speaker 14: All he needed to kind of be aware of, because

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Speaker 14: I mean, their passing game has the potential of every

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Speaker 14: single week to explode. It's not always consistent. I think

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Speaker 14: sometimes we need to rap the timing on some of

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Speaker 14: those routes. That's so you can get the upper hand.

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Speaker 3: What do you how do you explain Cam Taylor Britt.

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Speaker 14: I can't, honestly like this is this was the year

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Speaker 14: where everything needed to kind of click, and he took

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Speaker 14: it upon himself this offseason to be more accountable. I

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Speaker 14: think everyone knew that he wasn't his full self last

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Speaker 14: year when he was kind of, you know, feeling good

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Speaker 14: about where he was in his career. But he's in

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Speaker 14: the contract year and he's barely playing for a defense

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Speaker 14: that I'll be it's just not very good. So if

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Speaker 14: you if you can't start here and you're supposed to

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Speaker 14: be in the prime of your career here, what does

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Speaker 14: that say about where you're going to go from here?

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Speaker 14: So it's it's really now or never for him to

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Speaker 14: just make the most of the opportunities that he gets,

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Speaker 14: because you're talking about someone who was a potential extension

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Speaker 14: candidate a year and a half ago, and now you're

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Speaker 14: wondering if he's going to get a second contract as

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Speaker 14: a starter anywhere in the league. Right it's not just here,

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Speaker 14: but like what he's doing right now is impacting what

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Speaker 14: his future opportunities will be for the other thirty one teams. So,

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Speaker 14: and they noticed that they know that the Bengals defense

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Speaker 14: is nothing really to show for and he's not getting

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Speaker 14: opportunities here. So it could just be a situation where

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Speaker 14: he's not he's just not a fit within this team,

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Speaker 14: regardless of who the defensive coordinator is. And maybe he

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Speaker 14: doesn't he doesn't need a fresh start, but right now,

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Speaker 14: it's just it's hard to understand how he can't wrap

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Speaker 14: his mind around what the opportunities in front of him

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Speaker 14: and how he can he just can't keep.

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Speaker 7: His head on straight.

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Speaker 3: Talking about the Bengals offense, what do you expect it

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Speaker 3: to look like with Joe Flacco? What do you think

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Speaker 3: will be different about it against the Packers?

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Speaker 14: Yeah, I think with Jake Browning, obviously you wanted to

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Speaker 14: go a little bit more under center than you do

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Speaker 14: with Joe Burrown, and Flacco has a lot of experience

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Speaker 14: and comfortability with that. He knows how to just turn

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Speaker 14: his back to the defense and operate play action. I

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Speaker 14: think right now this offense is the worst in the

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Speaker 14: league when they operate out a twelve personnel. That was

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Speaker 14: an emphasis that they wanted, and I think they have

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Speaker 14: to recognize that.

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Speaker 2: They have to recognize that they.

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Speaker 14: Don't have the personnel to fulfill the passing game that

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Speaker 14: they want. But maybe in addition of a new quarterback

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Speaker 14: who's going to make more rational decisions, would that be

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Speaker 14: the expectation, that'd be the hope. Maybe you can reinstitute

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Speaker 14: some of those plays that hadn't been very successful for you,

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Speaker 14: but a lot more under center, a lot more time.

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Speaker 14: I think, just the willingness to take advantage of these

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Speaker 14: one on one deep shots with a sense of timing

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Speaker 14: right where the balls is not floating there for the

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Speaker 14: safety or the quarnerbacks just pick off with these rights.

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Speaker 14: It's been really frustrated, I think for both Jamar Chase

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Speaker 14: and t Jiggins where they're getting the separation on they're

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Speaker 14: getting these opportunities that you know, the play calling hasn't

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Speaker 14: really been that bad in some of these cases, but

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Speaker 14: the balls is late or the balls floating, and that's

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Speaker 14: the expectations that a more lively arm in Flacco the

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Speaker 14: mistakes are going to get there right. Flago has never

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Speaker 14: been a perfect quarterback in that sense, but just the

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Speaker 14: better arm that gets the ball out in a more

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Speaker 14: timely manner, just to give these guys a chance. I

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Speaker 14: don't think the offense is going to change that much,

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Speaker 14: but I think you're gonna see a little bit more

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Speaker 14: rhythm for the quarterback who just kind of knows what

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Speaker 14: he's doing more.

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Speaker 3: The other thing that stood out to me looking at

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Speaker 3: the snap counts from last week against Detroit was the

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Speaker 3: split between Chase Brown and Sama jp Ryan. I thought

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Speaker 3: there were some positives in the run game. I think

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Speaker 3: it has slowly but surely ticked up a little bit

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Speaker 3: over the last couple of weeks. Not great, but slowly

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Speaker 3: but surely ticking up. Does that, you know, split and

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Speaker 3: the carries mean anything to you, or do you think

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Speaker 3: there is some progress being made in the run game.

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Speaker 14: I think yeah, like you said, progress is very marginal.

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Speaker 14: It's not where it needs to be. I think with

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Speaker 14: Samaj and the opportunities that he's had, he's particularly made

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Speaker 14: the most of him. I think he's been running really

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Speaker 14: hard and getting yards up to contact, and I think

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Speaker 14: the blocking for him has been noticeably better compared.

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Speaker 3: To Chase Brown.

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Speaker 14: Obviously, the sample size as much larger with Chase Brown,

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Speaker 14: and this is still not a very good offensive line

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Speaker 14: in that regard, But I think the opportunities that Smaji

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Speaker 14: Pieran has had, they've just been slightly better and more favorable,

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Speaker 14: and that's kind of where you're seeing some of that

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Speaker 14: production a little bit. And I think also with this

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Speaker 14: past game with the score being still out of whack,

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Speaker 14: like I understood why p Runing saw the feel a

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Speaker 14: little bit more as they were just kind of in

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Speaker 14: that mode and you know, they almost try to keep

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Speaker 14: up and everything like that.

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Speaker 19: But p Ran is.

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Speaker 14: Someone that you would still trust in obvious passing situations,

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Speaker 14: so it makes sense to get him on the field

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Speaker 14: and when the game script is still out of whack.

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Speaker 14: So that was kind of my thought process with the

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Speaker 14: more even snap splits and whatnot. But yeah, there still

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Speaker 14: needs to be a lot more work and just gaining

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Speaker 14: space for Chase Brown to do what he does because

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Speaker 14: he's just not been able to do that yet.

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Speaker 3: John Shearon, A is E Sports, appreciate your time and

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Speaker 3: your flexibility. Where can people follow along with all you

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Speaker 3: got going on covering the Bengals.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, of course it is the Sports dot Com, Backslash

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Speaker 14: Cincinnati and on YouTube, TikTok, Instagram, wherever you get your

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Speaker 14: short form content. It is the Sports Cincinnati follow us there.

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Speaker 3: Awesome, Thanks John, take it easy.

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Speaker 2: Thanks.

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Speaker 3: That is John Shearon, our guy, and uh hopefully he

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Speaker 3: gonna stick with us the rest of the football season.

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Speaker 3: Usually every Thursday, but with the weird week this week

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Speaker 3: and me being out and Tony being gone, we're going

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Speaker 3: to uh move him up a day. And he was

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Speaker 3: able to do that even though it was right in

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Speaker 3: the middle of the Zach Taylor press conference. I am

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Speaker 3: appreciative of John for that. Speaking of the Zach Taylor

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Speaker 3: press conference, with the temperature of things today and reading

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Speaker 3: through some of the talkbacks, I think it's probably best

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Speaker 3: if we don't do that today. Probably best if we

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Speaker 3: don't do talkbacks. I appreciate the passion, I appreciate the desire.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back in two since e three sixty Here on

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Speaker 3: ESPN fifteen thirty. I'm Austin Elmore. Just moments ago, Zach

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Speaker 3: Taylor was at the podium meeting with the media ahead

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Speaker 3: of this weekend's matchup with the Green Bay Packers, and

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Speaker 3: as you might imagine, Zach was asked about starting quarterback

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Speaker 3: Joe FLACCOH.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, played him a lot, watch him a lot. Brings great,

888
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 20: great experience, great leadership. His style fits our style of

889
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 20: play too, So excited to get him out there. We'll

890
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 20: start him this week. So he's gonna take all the reps.

891
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 20: Get ready to go. I already spent a lot of

892
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 20: time meeting with us getting at speed, so feel really

893
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 20: good about where he's.

894
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 21: At, being able to trade for him on Tuesday and

895
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Speaker 21: start once.

896
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Speaker 7: He just know.

897
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Speaker 20: I mean, I I don't know him personally, I've only

898
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 20: met him once before he came here. But no, his

899
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Speaker 20: game as well, I mean it's putt against some I

900
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 20: don't know how many times a lot of times, and

901
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 20: so very comfortable with his style concepts. He has been

902
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 20: good at things that fit us that we do a

903
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 20: lot of the terminology, there's a bunch of carryover, more

904
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Speaker 20: so than I would have anticipated.

905
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 7: So I feel like we can get him have been quickly.

906
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 2: It was always a one time.

907
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 6: Other things that Al mentioned was that besides his great

908
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,399
Speaker 6: arm strength is the when who spend the ball.

909
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 2: He's seen so much like quarterbacks. How much at this

910
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:13,720
Speaker 2: point of the season.

911
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:15,439
Speaker 7: Does that help you sure?

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Speaker 20: I mean, it's different than a young quarterback coming in

913
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Speaker 20: trying to learn a system and understand what a defense

914
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 20: is trying to do to challenge you. No that, but

915
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Speaker 20: he's played Green Bay this year, so he's already gone

916
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Speaker 20: through a week of prep. So that's the nice part

917
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Speaker 20: is now the communication and and the weekly rhythm is

918
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Speaker 20: maybe different, unique, but he's already prepared for this opponent,

919
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Speaker 20: so he gets a chance to refresh himself on that well.

920
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Speaker 20: At the same time just learning our system and our

921
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,919
Speaker 20: terminology and our burbage and how we operate. Also knowing

922
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Speaker 20: that he's he's playing now, he hasn't played there this year,

923
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Speaker 20: and so the crowd and noise and all that stuff

924
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 20: is different, but at least he's got some experience pointing

925
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Speaker 20: in them.

926
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Speaker 2: But yeah, one time before the.

927
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Speaker 7: Colts came here last year.

928
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Speaker 4: In facts with us, you have to scale anything back

929
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 4: because he's only a couple of days.

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Speaker 20: We have to be mindful that he hasn't been here

931
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Speaker 20: off season training camp.

932
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Speaker 7: The full scope of our system.

933
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Speaker 20: But we're doing everything we can to hit everything we

934
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Speaker 20: can possibly hit with him so that we got enough

935
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 20: to go out there and win a football game.

936
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Speaker 7: And so that's that's our objective.

937
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Speaker 20: Is diver offense enough with Joe to be able to

938
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Speaker 20: go out there and operate and score points and and

939
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Speaker 20: find a way to win the game.

940
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Speaker 22: Specifically, you're looking at this and saying, hey, we need

941
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Speaker 22: to add Joe to the mix here.

942
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Speaker 7: He's a great pastor.

943
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 20: He's a great pastor, and again we we've got to

944
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 20: expand all areas of our offense to be better, to

945
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 20: be able to efficient run the football, protect.

946
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:37,280
Speaker 7: All that kind of stuff.

947
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Speaker 20: But the number one trait you're looking for is a

948
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 20: guy that can operate your system into the football and

949
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 20: Joe has always been a tremendous passer in this league

950
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Speaker 20: and have seen it, and so now we've got treminous

951
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 20: weapons that he can he can play around, and so

952
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 20: I'm excited to watch him do.

953
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:57,320
Speaker 21: Process that ended up on Flacco unfold Monday.

954
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Speaker 20: Just let me know yesterday that that's where was at.

955
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 20: So obviously he asked my opinion of Joe, and I

956
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Speaker 20: was excited that if we were able to make it happen,

957
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Speaker 20: I'm all on board.

958
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Speaker 7: That would excite me. And so then he just came

959
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 7: and said we got it done.

960
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 2: Yesterday looked like, what time did he get here? What

961
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 2: were you guys able to do last night to get

962
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Speaker 2: ahead start?

963
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Speaker 20: Well, we talked on the phone while he drove. We

964
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Speaker 20: had somebody to drive him, he and his wife from Cleveland,

965
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Speaker 20: and so we were able to send him the information

966
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Speaker 20: to study, talked to him on the phone as he

967
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Speaker 20: drove down, gave him a break, let him then come

968
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Speaker 20: in facility, and we got a chance to meet last night.

969
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Speaker 2: And at this moment that's about a five hour drive.

970
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Speaker 20: How long was the phone call, I'm not sure how

971
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 20: long it was. We just tried to cover all the

972
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Speaker 20: base base pieces of information. I mean, you'd like to

973
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,280
Speaker 20: knock out personnel and formations and motions, and the easy

974
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 20: stuff and then when you get in here, get the

975
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Speaker 20: nuts and bolts. So probably talked some run game last night,

976
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Speaker 20: I think on the phone too, got into the run

977
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Speaker 20: game plan and just the easy stuff that he knew,

978
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Speaker 20: and it all sounds familiar, and so he's he'll be

979
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Speaker 20: ready to roll.

980
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 2: It goes without saying that, you know what you said

981
00:49:59,640 --> 00:49:59,919
Speaker 2: is true.

982
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 14: It's beneficial for a guy who have already faced a

983
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Speaker 14: team just.

984
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 2: A couple of weeks ago.

985
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 21: Why is that so beneficial in it or like, in

986
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 21: what ways has that been.

987
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 20: We've done seven weeks, seven days of prep already on

988
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 20: the team and got out there and played and felt

989
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 20: them and understanding what their their line feels like, understand

990
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 20: you know their their the basic cover structures and some

991
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 20: of the things that they tried to do to stress you.

992
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 20: So on top of studying our stuff and watching the tape,

993
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 20: usually the quarterback already knows your offense and so he's

994
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 20: just focused on watching the tape of.

995
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:31,879
Speaker 7: The opponent now. At least.

996
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 20: The one advantage we do have with with bringing Joe

997
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 20: Flacco in here specifically is he's watched tape for a week,

998
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 20: he's played this game. He'll still need to do the

999
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 20: same thing because they've played two games since then. But

1000
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 20: at the same time, it's at least there's in the

1001
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 20: back of his mind. Man, I've played these guys and

1002
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,280
Speaker 20: I have an understanding of how they try to attack

1003
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 20: to him.

1004
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 22: Do you feel like trading for Flacco helps promote some

1005
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 22: hope and some confidence for the season.

1006
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 7: As a whole.

1007
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 20: I think everyone's just seen him been there, do that,

1008
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 20: you know, and one of Super Bowl, and won a

1009
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 20: lot of games and been successful in a lot of

1010
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 20: different places, and so it's I can't speak for other people,

1011
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 20: but when you bring a guy in here with that

1012
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 20: experience and those skins on the wall, I think it's

1013
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 20: it's significant and it can mean something to guys, But

1014
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 20: they'd have to speak for themselves on that one.

1015
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 6: And then is there any update on Burrow and his

1016
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 6: potential to return this season?

1017
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 2: And are these two things connected?

1018
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 20: I do not have any update on on Burroughes.

1019
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 2: Is this still move?

1020
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 6: Hopefully all get enough winds to kind of keep off

1021
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 6: for as long as possible if Joe k come back.

1022
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 21: How much of that cost process you don't want?

1023
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 20: Yeah, our number one focus is winning every game we

1024
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 20: can possibly win. And go to the playoffs and go

1025
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 20: deep in the playoffs. That is one hundred percent of

1026
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 20: our focus, regardless of who our quarterback is. That is

1027
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:47,280
Speaker 20: that's what we're trying to do. Given Joe's age and

1028
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 20: maybe some of the mobility insurances that come with and

1029
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 20: how do you.

1030
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 21: As a play caller and the architect of the offense

1031
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 21: work through.

1032
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:55,479
Speaker 20: Some of those challenge Yeah, I mean, I can't speak

1033
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 20: for Joe to say that mobility was ever his number

1034
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:01,359
Speaker 20: one strength dating back to when I would a coach

1035
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 20: against him in twenty twelve and thirteen, I don't know

1036
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 20: that we were ever worried about Joe breaking free for

1037
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 20: a fifteen yard game. So I think his place style

1038
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:09,720
Speaker 20: has been in his place all for a long time,

1039
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 20: and I'm perfectly fine with that. Obviously, we got to

1040
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 20: do a great job around him in the run game

1041
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 20: and the protection and all that kind of stuff. But

1042
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 20: he understands, he understands our concepts already. It's a lot

1043
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:22,800
Speaker 20: of things he's done, some things he's called the same,

1044
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 20: So again, well we'll do it suits him best. Ultimately,

1045
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 20: at the end of the week, what are you not

1046
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 20: comfortable with? Are There's some things we've called during the

1047
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,280
Speaker 20: week that you know, we should put on the shelf,

1048
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 20: which is never an issue. We got plenty, so we'll

1049
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 20: have those conversations to the weekends.

1050
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 21: He was in the draft one year ago.

1051
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 7: Not real. I mean that stuff doesn't. It doesn't really.

1052
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 20: I mean there's been guys that obviously were before me,

1053
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 20: I mean Aaron Andrews just before my time.

1054
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 7: So, uh, that that stuff doesn't. I don't put too

1055
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 7: much that into anymore.

1056
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 21: To extend their careers as well as they have.

1057
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 20: I think really smart guys, really smart guys that take

1058
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 20: care of themselves and can still throw.

1059
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 7: I mean, the arm matters.

1060
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 20: You know, some guys do lose, you know, some of

1061
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,280
Speaker 20: the arm strength as they go on in their career,

1062
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 20: and he's one that I don't know, he'd have to

1063
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 20: speak for that in terms of what he's lost, but

1064
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 20: I know he's still got a lot of power and

1065
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 20: there a lot of juice and understanding and when to

1066
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 20: throw at the timing. And so I think that those

1067
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 20: guys that have that above I mean, he definitely is

1068
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:29,919
Speaker 20: classified as above average arm strength, same with Aaron.

1069
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 7: Those guys have a chance to continue to play. Reaction,

1070
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 7: he seemed excited.

1071
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 20: You know the first time I talked to him, and

1072
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 20: so I know he was he was notified there obviously

1073
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:40,720
Speaker 20: with their.

1074
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 7: People, and but he seemed.

1075
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:45,399
Speaker 20: Genuinely excited when I spoke to him on the phone

1076
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 20: for the first time, and when he got in here and.

1077
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Speaker 2: There you go, all conversations with Jake.

1078
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,399
Speaker 20: Straightforward, and Jake was great. Jake's been accountable every step

1079
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Speaker 20: of the way. He's been understanding every step of the way,

1080
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 20: accepting for any decision we want to make. Obviously, he

1081
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 20: wants to continue playing and he's going to continue to

1082
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 20: work hard to help our football team in any way possible.

1083
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 20: But he understands our situation and the plan.

1084
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Speaker 2: Jakes the backup then the practice pot, Yes to you,

1085
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:19,400
Speaker 2: time to table, some things to hammer. You have to

1086
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 2: plug him what you're doing.

1087
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 20: We got twenty four hours in the day each day,

1088
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:25,439
Speaker 20: and so we're using every second of it to to

1089
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 20: create the best plan. Obviously, we have a great understanding

1090
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 20: of who he is and what his strengths are. So

1091
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 20: as we were preparing this plan, you know, yesterday midday afternoon, Okay,

1092
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 20: visit this or that. Well, I know he can do that,

1093
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 20: so let's do that. So there's an element of it.

1094
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 20: It's all things that we do. So when our receivers

1095
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,799
Speaker 20: start everything today, there's all things that we've had in

1096
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:52,280
Speaker 20: our plan and we've done and we can we'll continue

1097
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:53,919
Speaker 20: to do things that fit. Our strength is the team

1098
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 20: and Joe's strengths. Y. Yeah, I mean that that's that's

1099
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,320
Speaker 20: why we like him and that's why we him in

1100
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 20: because he fits what we do. And you don't have

1101
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 20: to change much now. You just have to get him

1102
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 20: up to speed with the full scope of what we

1103
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 20: have in oursal.

1104
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 2: What's the most important quality and a guy that it

1105
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 2: would enable him to learn an offense as quickly as

1106
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:14,840
Speaker 2: he needs to.

1107
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 20: Well, I think that the mental makeup obviously is critical

1108
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 20: to be able to focus.

1109
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:19,320
Speaker 7: In on what's important.

1110
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 20: I'm trying not to get him bogged down and things

1111
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 20: that really aren't important that I can say to him

1112
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 20: in the headset. I'm trying my best not to take

1113
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 20: up his brain power and give him information that at

1114
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 20: the end of the day he can hear once in

1115
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 20: a headset understand what I'm trying to say. So I'm

1116
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 20: just kind of picking what is important, what you want

1117
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:39,919
Speaker 20: to stress, what you want to put on his plate.

1118
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 20: He's done a great job of taking everything in that

1119
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 20: we've given.

1120
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 2: How much of a two way street is that?

1121
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 7: Like?

1122
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 3: You you know, showing him this is what we do,

1123
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 3: as well as him coming back and saying what about this?

1124
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 2: This is something I've tried.

1125
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:55,399
Speaker 20: That'll get there at some point. You know, I don't

1126
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 20: think he's there right now. He's just taking it all

1127
00:55:57,719 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 20: in of what we want to do. And I always

1128
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 20: like that die with the quarterbacks always, you know, that's

1129
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 20: that's Oftentimes it can be a weekly conversation as we

1130
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 20: get in a lot of times it's a Saturday conversation

1131
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 20: as we tie up the plan so I can get

1132
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:12,720
Speaker 20: my thoughts in order during Saturday and Sunday morning before

1133
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 20: I close the game.

1134
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:17,399
Speaker 21: Walking for the chances of Passion playing this week.

1135
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 20: Yeah, we open the return window. We'llee where he's at

1136
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 20: in practices. We I won't make any predictions, but it

1137
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 20: was time to get him back up there.

1138
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 21: If do you want him at rank card or I'm.

1139
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 20: Not going to project, We'll just we'll watch him practice

1140
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 20: and see where he ends up.

1141
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 22: How quick you make the decision you find out the

1142
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 22: trade is happening to Joe's going to start this week?

1143
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 22: Is that a conversation with him, and do you have

1144
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:38,839
Speaker 22: to collaborate or.

1145
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 20: That was probably the second sentence. I told him, you know,

1146
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 20: it's welcome to the club and you were ready to

1147
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 20: start you on Sunday. Do you have any comparable experiences

1148
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:49,359
Speaker 20: at your various stops.

1149
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 7: Well, bringing a guy in I had to play immediately.

1150
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 20: Now, bringing guys in that you're trying to teach the offense,

1151
00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 20: I mean that Mike White and John Clifford. You know,

1152
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 20: last week we're in my office on Thursday night, you know,

1153
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 20: as we're kind of doing a modified version of this,

1154
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 20: you know, trying to get them up to speed and

1155
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 20: anything over the past week they had questions on since

1156
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 20: they got here. So I mean as a quarterback coach, yeah,

1157
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 20: you're always dealing with guys that you're signing during the

1158
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 20: season as practice squad or backups, and it's always your

1159
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 20: job as a quarterback coach to get them ready as

1160
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 20: quickly as possible, to do whatever job it is, and

1161
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 20: spend extra time with them. So part of that's been

1162
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 20: a little fun for me to be able to go

1163
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 20: back to that, you know, and we've got a great

1164
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 20: staff that does a great job picking up some slack

1165
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 20: or maybe I'm pushing some stuff off on other guys

1166
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 20: that I can just focus on on making sure Joe

1167
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 20: and I are in the same page as as we

1168
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 20: get ready for the game plan.

1169
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 21: You mentioned you talked to him, you said, you're starting,

1170
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 21: You hang up the phone. What do you do next

1171
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 21: with your next move after you get a brand new

1172
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 21: starting quarterback?

1173
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 20: What was my I don't know. Yesterday I felt like

1174
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 20: I said twenty four hours in a day. I think

1175
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 20: there was thirty six hours and yesterday, so I don't recall.

1176
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 20: I mean, we then kind of take the plan and

1177
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 20: make sure there's nothing quirky in there that call, like,

1178
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 20: we can clean some things up that maybe for a

1179
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 20: new guy walking in the door it's not necessary. And

1180
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 20: so just again nothing that's significant in any way, shape

1181
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 20: or form in terms of us defeating Green Bay, but

1182
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 20: just making sure everything sounds.

1183
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 21: Smooth, and then there'll be anything different about practice today, you.

1184
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 20: Know, Yeah, well we'll spend a little more time at

1185
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 20: the end of practice, a little more time, not full

1186
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 20: speed work necessarily, but just voicing some calls.

1187
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 7: I mean, that's always the number one challenge.

1188
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 20: You look at a script, you look at an install,

1189
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 20: you say in your head it all sounds easy, and

1190
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 20: then to say it out loud can sound differently. The flow,

1191
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 20: the rhythm of calling a play. Is this word part

1192
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 20: of the protection? Is this a run tag? Is this

1193
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 20: a route concept? And so just the flow of how

1194
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 20: the guys in the huddle need to hear it, the cadence.

1195
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 20: Those are all things that he's experienced before, playing different teams.

1196
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 20: Probably not the week of a game, but he's done

1197
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 20: a great job handling so far. So we'll spend whatever

1198
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 20: time is needed extra. I'm sure he's out on the grass,

1199
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 20: maybe not full speed physical work, but just some some

1200
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 20: verbal stuff making sure we feel good about it.

1201
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 12: When you were talking to him on the drive, was

1202
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 12: that assume where he could let.

1203
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 20: That was all I We just sent him some documents,

1204
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 20: and I had the documents in front of me and we.

1205
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 7: I didn't feel that initially.

1206
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 20: I was thinking we'll FaceTime, and I thought that's a

1207
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 20: little awkward to just stare at each other when you're

1208
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 20: just having a conversation.

1209
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 7: So we just put on our speakerphone and talked that way.

1210
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 2: About just uh, just a physical time and extra extra air,

1211
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 2: extra extra bills.

1212
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 7: Or well, no, I mean I'm not going to tax Jamaranty.

1213
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 7: They're there.

1214
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 20: You know, we got to do a great job. I

1215
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 20: am mindful. We do have a game next Thursday as well,

1216
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 20: so you do have to be mindful with what we're

1217
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 20: asking all of our guys to do physically this weekend

1218
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 20: next week, and so I'm not gonna I'm not going

1219
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 20: to overly tax Jamar and t If anything, I'm going

1220
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 20: to make sure that they're they're good to go so

1221
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 20: that I won't I'm not gonna do anything if anything's

1222
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 20: just standing and catching so they can feel feel the

1223
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 20: power of this throw. And kind of the nice thing

1224
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 20: about Joe's arm strength is different than a guy maybe

1225
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 20: that's got to throw with a ton of anticipation, which

1226
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 20: Joe throws a great anticipation, has got a little more

1227
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 20: power to make up. So if he's not sure where

1228
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 20: the guy is, he's got a little more juice to

1229
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 20: make up for it. And put the ball on the

1230
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 20: spot where the receiver can still have an attempt to go.

1231
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 14: Get the fact that you do go to Green Bay

1232
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 14: and then have a short turnaround, does that put even

1233
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 14: more if this is on the amount of work has

1234
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 14: to get done this week in terms of installing every

1235
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 14: Now you're.

1236
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 7: Focused on one game at a time.

1237
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 20: I just I only made that comment because you're asking

1238
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 20: about the extra work with receivers, and I have to

1239
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 20: be mindful of that from a physical standpoint. But we're

1240
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 20: focused on this game, and we'll attack next week when

1241
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 20: we get to next week.

1242
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 6: What has Michael Carson's mean Before the Cows came us,

1243
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 6: you guys talked about you know how much respect you

1244
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 6: had for him.

1245
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 21: What is he brought to Green Bay's defense?

1246
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 20: It's got Well, it's a great defense number one and

1247
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 20: with Micah used to be a great defense, and and

1248
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 20: he does a great job affecting the passer. They all

1249
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 20: do up front. That's that's a really good unit.

1250
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 7: They're well.

1251
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 20: Coach Hafley does a great job, Matt does a great job.

1252
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 20: These guys are in sync with each other, and they

1253
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 20: do a great job affecting the passer. So Michael Parsons,

1254
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 20: obviously elite player in this league, got to be.

1255
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 7: Very aware of him. They got other guys you got

1256
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 7: to be aware of too, So big challenge for us,

1257
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:21,439
Speaker 7: some major house.

1258
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 21: What's the play for sports this week?

1259
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 20: Start back practicing individual, We'll see how much he can

1260
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 20: handle today, see if we increase it tomorrow.

1261
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 7: But we'll just take a day to day with him.

1262
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 21: Any other guys be limited today tomorrow, you know.

1263
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 20: I'm just gonna be mindful of some of the receivers,

1264
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 20: you know, and so just making sure that that limit

1265
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 20: them for the week. They'll do some spot work and

1266
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:42,880
Speaker 20: then see where we're at.

1267
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 21: That's not necessarily.

1268
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 7: No, no, no, no. Black Hope played pretty well against

1269
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 7: you in week one.

1270
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 2: What impression did he make on.

1271
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 20: You in that Well, I've always been impressed, you know,

1272
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:58,960
Speaker 20: And I think we've got an elite receiving corps that

1273
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 20: will call met him very well. And so again he

1274
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:03,560
Speaker 20: throws the ball in time, throws it to the locations

1275
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 20: supposed to be and again I'm always proud of the

1276
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 20: way that Troy gets those guys, and that's a lot

1277
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 20: of that. It's important to them, do they understand the

1278
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 20: locations and the timing and when the ball is going

1279
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 20: to be out, And they do a great job with

1280
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 20: the communication with the quarterbacks in that way. So I

1281
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 20: just think he's a really good fit with our style

1282
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 20: of playing the guys.

1283
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 3: We have Bengals head coach Zach Taylor meeting with the

1284
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 3: media moments ago and talking about the plan for Joe

1285
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 3: flaccoosaid it was the second sentence out of his mouth. Hey,

1286
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:37,720
Speaker 3: nice to meet you, Good to see you. You're going

1287
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 3: to start against the Green Bay Packers. Joe, of course

1288
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:42,520
Speaker 3: started against the Packers just a couple of weeks ago

1289
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 3: in a Brown's win over Green Bay. Zach told the

1290
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 3: media that Flacco was driven down to Cincinnati. They sent

1291
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 3: a driver up or sent a car down, or however

1292
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 3: you want to say. It was able to give him

1293
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 3: the stuff and then drive him and his wife down

1294
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:02,920
Speaker 3: to Cincinnati and on the phone it basically install the

1295
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 3: game plan and certain aspects of the Bengals offense with

1296
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 3: Joe on the drive down about three and a half

1297
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 3: hours from Cleveland to Cincinnati. That's pretty impressive and extremely impressive.

1298
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:18,919
Speaker 3: If Joe Flacco, who I know has seen and heard

1299
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 3: and forgotten more football than most people know, if he's

1300
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 3: able to retain that and actually be able to run

1301
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:27,920
Speaker 3: the offense like that's crazy impressive. It reminds me of

1302
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 3: the stories of twenty twenty pre draft when Zach was

1303
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 3: installing the offense over Zoom with Joe Burrow. When you know,

1304
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 3: obviously before they drafted him, and before they could meet

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Speaker 3: in meeting or meet in person, and all the buildings

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Speaker 3: were closed and all that. Really crazy to think back

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Speaker 3: on a time like that, and really crazy to think

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Speaker 3: on a time like this for the Bengals and Joe

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01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 3: Flacco and Zach did mention that the fact that he

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Speaker 3: played the Packers recently is part to the equation, and

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Speaker 3: I do think that speaks to the urgency that Zach

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Speaker 3: and the organization feel towards this moment in time with

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Speaker 3: the Bengals season. I don't know that anybody, maybe even themselves,

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Speaker 3: expects to go into Green Bay and win on Sunday,

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Speaker 3: but you do feel like your chances of doing so

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Speaker 3: are better now than they were before, and ultimately that's

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Speaker 3: what matters. That's what matters. A couple of numbers on

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Speaker 3: Joe Flacca. I was reading about this earlier this morning

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Speaker 3: on The Athletic from Paul Danner Junior. I did say

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Speaker 3: this earlier. Joe Flacco will be the oldest player in

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Speaker 3: team history when he takes the field for the Bengals

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Speaker 3: on Sunday, at forty years old. Since he left Baltimore,

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Speaker 3: Joe Flacco has started thirty two games the Bank, his

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Speaker 3: teams are ten and twenty two. In those games, he

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Speaker 3: is ten and twenty two and thirty two starts since

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Speaker 3: he left Baltimore. Talk about his mobility. In those thirty

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Speaker 3: two starts, he has been sacked eighty times. That obviously

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01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:16,920
Speaker 3: is the biggest red flag of any red flag when

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Speaker 3: it comes to Flacco. I don't even think it's his age.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's his arm. I don't think it's

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Speaker 3: his ability to comprehend and operate the playbook. I think

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Speaker 3: it's his maneuverability in the pocket, especially when you have

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Speaker 3: an offensive line that has not performed at the level

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Speaker 3: necessary for even Burrow or Browning to play good football.

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Speaker 3: That's the big issue, and it's tough. That's never going

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Speaker 3: to be easy. The other part that I found interesting,

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Speaker 3: going back to our conversation with John Sheeran, was how

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Speaker 3: bad the Bengals have been in twelve personnel. Tony has

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01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 3: talked a lot about this over the course of the

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Speaker 3: season in the offseason, and the Bengals are kind of

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Speaker 3: really pushing that one running to tight end that personnel. Well.

1342
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:08,919
Speaker 3: Their EPA, which is expected points added when they run

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Speaker 3: the ball out of twelve personnel is minus zero point two.

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Speaker 3: That's twenty ninth in the NFL. When they run the

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01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:20,760
Speaker 3: ball out of eleven personnel, one running back, one tight end,

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01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 3: it's plus zero point one. That's sixteenth in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: That's a significant swing because you're taking Drew Sample out

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01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 3: of the game and keeping someone else in the game.

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Speaker 3: Their EPA per pass pass out of twelve personnel is

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Speaker 3: minus zero point eighty five. That is dead last in

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Speaker 3: the NFL by almost sixty points. They are the Bengals

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01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:54,080
Speaker 3: using twelve personnel at the thirteenth highest rate in the

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Speaker 3: league so far. So they are repeatedly going into this

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Speaker 3: well that it doesn't work for them. And I'm getting

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Speaker 3: these numbers from our friend Joe Goodberry on Twitter, who

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Speaker 3: we have as a friend of the show, and Joe says,

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Speaker 3: it's time to kill the twelve personnel experience experiment. It's

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01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:15,280
Speaker 3: hard to anchor a large section of your playbook on

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01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:18,640
Speaker 3: the worst player on your offense, and that obviously talking

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01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:22,439
Speaker 3: about Drew Sample. So I wonder if you know, listen,

1361
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:25,240
Speaker 3: if we have access to these numbers, the Bengals also

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01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 3: got to know. And I do think that clearly there's

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01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:29,479
Speaker 3: been something with the run game that's gotten a little

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Speaker 3: bit better. Maybe even with Flacco, there's more spread it out.

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01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:37,120
Speaker 3: Get the ball out of the hands quickly, allow your

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Speaker 3: receivers to win. Work the underneath of the field, and

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01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:42,920
Speaker 3: let's stop trying to fit something, you know, a square

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01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:46,040
Speaker 3: peg into a round hole here and maybe we can

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01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:49,960
Speaker 3: unlock something. I hope that's that sort of self scouting

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Speaker 3: is happening within the building for the Bengals. We'll take

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Speaker 3: a break, we'll come back. This is Hour two, brought

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Speaker 3: to you by Cincy Shirts of Sincy three sixty on

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Speaker 3: the Home of the Bengals, ESPN fifteenth.

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Speaker 1: You've been listening to football in the NATI on ESPN

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Speaker 1: fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati BENGALSKWY Cincinnati.

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1377
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Speaker 17: Free never sounded so good, ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 18: The three sixty continues on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati's sports station.

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Speaker 3: Bengals did get some positive injury news earlier today with

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01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 3: the announcement that Lucas Patrick you might remember him, the

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Speaker 3: man who was the starting guard in Cleveland for seven

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01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:49,360
Speaker 3: snaps while the Bengals ran the ball well well. He

1384
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:52,120
Speaker 3: dealt with a calf injury, lower leg injury. He has

1385
01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:56,000
Speaker 3: opened up his window to practice. The Bengals have opened

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01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 3: that up earlier today. It's a twenty one day window

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Speaker 3: that he's able to practice before he can come off

1388
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:04,519
Speaker 3: of R. I think he can come off of R anytime.

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01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:06,600
Speaker 3: You might have to double check me on that. But

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Speaker 3: Lucas Patrick, who I think played pretty well at least

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01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 3: as a run defender or as a run blocker in

1392
01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:19,360
Speaker 3: that first game and at points throughout the preseason, you

1393
01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:21,799
Speaker 3: might be getting him back. And I don't think Jalen

1394
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:24,280
Speaker 3: Rivers has been atrocious. I don't think that he's been great.

1395
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Speaker 3: I think he's a rookie playing with guys next to

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01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:29,439
Speaker 3: him that aren't very good and it's not going to

1397
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:32,759
Speaker 3: be easy, and also of course learning that quote unquote

1398
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:37,120
Speaker 3: strike technique by one Scott Peters. But either way, if

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Speaker 3: Lucas Patrick comes back and he's able to be anything

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Speaker 3: like he was at least in that first you know

1401
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:45,479
Speaker 3: series in Cleveland, I do think that will be a

1402
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 3: boost to the Bengals offensive line and specifically that run

1403
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 3: game and so much of the offensive struggles come back

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01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:55,880
Speaker 3: to the run game, and going back to what I

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Speaker 3: was talking about with the twelve personnel and eleven personnel,

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01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:01,400
Speaker 3: if they can find a way to be dependable running

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01:10:01,439 --> 01:10:05,360
Speaker 3: the ball and less predictable in certain personnel groupings, that

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01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:07,400
Speaker 3: they can find ways to run it. We saw some

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01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:10,320
Speaker 3: more RPOs this past week against Detroit. I think a

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Speaker 3: lot more of those will have to happen to get

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Speaker 3: the run game going a little bit. It's gonna be

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Speaker 3: a big part of whether or not this team can

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Speaker 3: effectively run the ball, dependably run the football, and they're

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Speaker 3: gonna have to against Green Bay. Talk to John about

1415
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:30,080
Speaker 3: their offense, and Jordan Love is very much a Peaks

1416
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:32,800
Speaker 3: in a Valley's quarterback himself, but he's got weapons, and

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01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:35,479
Speaker 3: they've got speed, and we know how bad the Bengals

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01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:38,880
Speaker 3: secondary is, and on top of that, they don't have

1419
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:42,479
Speaker 3: the best offensive line in the NFL. But they have

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01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:45,639
Speaker 3: an effective run game with Josh Jacobs. They've got speed,

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01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 3: they've got power, they've got really good tight ends and

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01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:51,240
Speaker 3: a great one in Tucker Craft who might be having

1423
01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:55,360
Speaker 3: his breakout season this year. So there's multiple ways that

1424
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:59,200
Speaker 3: the Packers offense can beat you, and you don't necessarily

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01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:01,280
Speaker 3: have to have Jordan Love on his a game to

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Speaker 3: do it. That's one of the beauties of the Matt

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01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:09,560
Speaker 3: Lafleur offense. And so with that, it even further magnifies

1428
01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:12,320
Speaker 3: the importance of the Bengals being able to play complimentary

1429
01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:15,960
Speaker 3: football on offense, being able to control the clock, being

1430
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:18,360
Speaker 3: able to run the ball, being able to establish drives

1431
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:20,720
Speaker 3: and get your defense off the field and give them

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01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:22,519
Speaker 3: some time to get ready for what might be coming

1433
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Speaker 3: from Green Bay. And complimentary football is not just offense

1434
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:31,080
Speaker 3: and defense, it's special teams as well. I did not

1435
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:35,040
Speaker 3: think Bengals special teams played well on Sunday against Detroit.

1436
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Speaker 3: Zach mentioned this in his press conference on Monday. You

1437
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:41,960
Speaker 3: know they starting the drive on the forty one yard line.

1438
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:44,640
Speaker 3: Detroit was at one point, you're basically almost already in

1439
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:48,000
Speaker 3: field goal range. With their offense, the kick returns have

1440
01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 3: not been great. There was a weird penalty on the

1441
01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:53,880
Speaker 3: on side kick. Charlie Jones did not look like he

1442
01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:56,160
Speaker 3: was one hundred percent trying to return kicks last week.

1443
01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:58,960
Speaker 3: Didn't really felt like there was much juice, didn't really

1444
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:02,519
Speaker 3: feel like there was much jew in that position, so

1445
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:05,880
Speaker 3: that I think has to They have to play better

1446
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:09,639
Speaker 3: as well, specifically the kickoff and kickoff unit and punt unit.

1447
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:12,800
Speaker 3: Ryan Rico just kept blasting punts into the end zone

1448
01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:15,320
Speaker 3: last week. At some point, you got to be able

1449
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:21,600
Speaker 3: to pin the opponent inside the twenty. You got to

1450
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:24,519
Speaker 3: be able to make him catch a ball rather than

1451
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:26,640
Speaker 3: just letting it go and letting it bounce into the

1452
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:29,679
Speaker 3: end zone. Forced them to at the bare minimum field

1453
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:33,000
Speaker 3: the punt or punt it out of bounds near the

1454
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:36,080
Speaker 3: end zone. He did not have a good day on Sunday,

1455
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:40,799
Speaker 3: nor did the kick and kick return teams on Sunday.

1456
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:45,240
Speaker 3: What else is going on? How about Jermaine Pratt? Did

1457
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:49,160
Speaker 3: you see this former Bengal linebacker and the man who

1458
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:52,439
Speaker 3: broke the curse with his interception of Derek Carr in

1459
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:55,240
Speaker 3: that wild card game in the twenty twenty one playoffs.

1460
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:59,160
Speaker 3: He was released by the Raiders earlier this week and

1461
01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:02,240
Speaker 3: this morning signed a one year deal with guess who,

1462
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:09,000
Speaker 3: the Indianapolis Colts. That's right, Jermaine Pratt reuniting with old

1463
01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:12,880
Speaker 3: friend Lou and Arumo in Indianapolis. There are reports out

1464
01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:17,040
Speaker 3: there that several teams called interested in Jermaine Pratt, but

1465
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:21,439
Speaker 3: he settles on Lou Narumo and the Colts as he

1466
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Speaker 3: goes to Indianapolis. Not a surprise there, I don't think so.

1467
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Speaker 3: I don't think it's a big surprise, but either way,

1468
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:32,840
Speaker 3: that's the case elsewhere in sports I mentioned earlier. Major

1469
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Speaker 3: League Baseball playoffs continue today. They get started in just

1470
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:40,000
Speaker 3: over an hour for the Tigers and the Mariners, Game

1471
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Speaker 3: four in that set, with Seattle leading the series two

1472
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Speaker 3: games to one. What else, Jerry Jones was fined two

1473
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:52,800
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty thousand dollars for flipping off a fan,

1474
01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 3: which I think is just a hilarious headline. Two hundred

1475
01:13:57,000 --> 01:14:00,960
Speaker 3: and fifty thousand dollars for flip off a fan at

1476
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:03,600
Speaker 3: the game last week, and Jerry tried to say that

1477
01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:05,280
Speaker 3: he meant to give him a thumbs up, but it

1478
01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:07,160
Speaker 3: accidentally gave him his middle finger.

1479
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Speaker 14: What now.

1480
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Speaker 3: I don't know what it's like to be an old man,

1481
01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:16,160
Speaker 3: and I'm sure there are things that you do that

1482
01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:19,240
Speaker 3: you can't control, and there are the parts of life

1483
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:21,000
Speaker 3: that just aren't as easy as they used to be.

1484
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:24,679
Speaker 3: And Jerry Jones is an old man. But I think

1485
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:27,960
Speaker 3: for the most part, you can differentiate between the thumb

1486
01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:32,360
Speaker 3: and the middle finger. Jerry apparently could not, and it's

1487
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:34,400
Speaker 3: going to cost him two hundred and fifty thousand dollars,

1488
01:14:34,439 --> 01:14:38,160
Speaker 3: which to Jerry Jones is like twenty five cents, but

1489
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:43,120
Speaker 3: very funny to me that the NFL find him that

1490
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:49,920
Speaker 3: much money for flipping off a fan. Later on today,

1491
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:52,240
Speaker 3: Moegger in from three to six. He'll talk to us

1492
01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:54,599
Speaker 3: just under an hour from right now for quick Hits,

1493
01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:58,599
Speaker 3: and after that it's the Bengals Game Plan Show, Dan

1494
01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:02,120
Speaker 3: Horde Dave Lapham from six to eight this evening. They'll

1495
01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:06,519
Speaker 3: be joined by Bengals wide receiver andre Yoshivash, so keep

1496
01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:09,120
Speaker 3: an eye out for that coming up this evening right

1497
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Speaker 3: here on ESPN fifteen thirty. When we get back, though,

1498
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Speaker 3: we'll talk to James Rapine and James generous with his

1499
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:20,920
Speaker 3: time today because I know he's working. As we speak.

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01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:26,080
Speaker 3: He is at Bengals practice. Joe Flacco is there. He's

1501
01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:28,360
Speaker 3: probably trying to get the certain you know, the video

1502
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:34,560
Speaker 3: portions of when he can and can't video practice, and

1503
01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:36,840
Speaker 3: he got to do the interviews and all this other

1504
01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:40,720
Speaker 3: stuff that James is working on. But James said, you

1505
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:43,160
Speaker 3: know what if you need me at two o'clock. I

1506
01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:45,920
Speaker 3: can do two o'clock. So I said, James, I need

1507
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:48,880
Speaker 3: you at two o'clock. He actually said two oh five.

1508
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:51,360
Speaker 3: That's why I'm killing time right now because I'm trying

1509
01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:53,080
Speaker 3: to give him a couple of extra minutes. But that's

1510
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:56,160
Speaker 3: the case. So we'll talk to James, and then finally

1511
01:15:57,320 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 3: I'll make fun of Nick krawling the Reds. Maybe not

1512
01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:05,519
Speaker 3: make fun, but at least get to figure out the

1513
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:11,360
Speaker 3: path or the way forward for the Reds, at least

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Speaker 3: friend James Rapine, who is at the practice fields right

1536
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Speaker 3: now adjacent to Peikur Stadium, with eyes on Joe Flacco,

1537
01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:38,599
Speaker 3: the Bengals new starting quarterback. James, how is Joe looking?

1538
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:43,840
Speaker 12: He looks like he's getting warmed up, Buddie and walking

1539
01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:46,920
Speaker 12: out of practice now he's getting warmed up. He looks

1540
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:49,960
Speaker 12: exactly how you'd expect a franchise quarterback.

1541
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:56,400
Speaker 3: Pellow, a franchise quarterback to look. When you heard that

1542
01:17:56,640 --> 01:17:59,599
Speaker 3: not only are the Bengals acquiring Joe Flacco, but Joe

1543
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:03,439
Speaker 3: Flack is starting the game on Sunday against the Packers,

1544
01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:08,519
Speaker 3: what was your immediate reaction. What weird timeline are we in?

1545
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:09,040
Speaker 2: You know?

1546
01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:12,240
Speaker 12: I think that's the first one. Like it's a very

1547
01:18:12,360 --> 01:18:16,400
Speaker 12: unique situation. I mean, I'm walking back right now from

1548
01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:18,960
Speaker 12: the practice fields and I just see that the Joe

1549
01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:20,920
Speaker 12: Burrah parking spot, and I'm like, how did we go

1550
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:23,920
Speaker 12: from Joe versus Joe week one to this?

1551
01:18:24,479 --> 01:18:24,639
Speaker 19: Right?

1552
01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:27,800
Speaker 12: Look, there's something that It's something the Bengals had to do.

1553
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:31,560
Speaker 12: They had to do something. And when I see the

1554
01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:35,080
Speaker 12: name Sam Howell for example, well, I would prefer Joe

1555
01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:38,080
Speaker 12: Flacco because I do think he's physically Like everyone's talking

1556
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:41,880
Speaker 12: about how he can't move when when was Jake Browning?

1557
01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:45,479
Speaker 12: Michael Vick, Like that was his pocket movement such a factor.

1558
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:50,360
Speaker 12: I think that Joe Flacco's arms is unique, and so

1559
01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:53,160
Speaker 12: it gives them a chance, which, given how the last

1560
01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:55,719
Speaker 12: three games have gone, all you can ask.

1561
01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:56,280
Speaker 9: For is a chance.

1562
01:18:57,439 --> 01:19:00,840
Speaker 3: Did Zach Taylor hint to how the offense might be

1563
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:03,880
Speaker 3: different with Joe Flacco than Jake Browning? Do you think

1564
01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:05,880
Speaker 3: it's going to be a very vanilla version of the

1565
01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:11,840
Speaker 3: offense considering the turnaround? I wonder that.

1566
01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:15,080
Speaker 12: I think I don't necessarily think it has to be

1567
01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:17,920
Speaker 12: because Joe has been there, done that, and I think

1568
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:21,360
Speaker 12: that gives him the edge over some of these other options. Now,

1569
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:24,960
Speaker 12: terminology wise, is it going to be perfect on Sunday?

1570
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:27,960
Speaker 12: It's not like there's just no way to do that.

1571
01:19:28,120 --> 01:19:31,479
Speaker 12: But you're dealing with a guy that has seen it all,

1572
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:33,360
Speaker 12: that has played on the biggest stages, that has been

1573
01:19:33,400 --> 01:19:36,040
Speaker 12: on the road countless times. You know, I've played the

1574
01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:39,240
Speaker 12: Bengals here at pay Corpse Stadium what twenty times or so,

1575
01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:43,959
Speaker 12: So like, he is used to road environments, loud crowds,

1576
01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:46,439
Speaker 12: all of those things. So do I think that they

1577
01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:49,320
Speaker 12: can get by with it and figure it out on

1578
01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:53,559
Speaker 12: the fly. I do, because he's that experienced and comes

1579
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:55,240
Speaker 12: with a good attitude in mindset.

1580
01:19:55,320 --> 01:19:56,880
Speaker 3: So I don't think.

1581
01:19:56,880 --> 01:19:59,360
Speaker 12: That's going to necessarily be a major issue on Sunday.

1582
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,559
Speaker 12: But whether or not that helps them in the win

1583
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:03,520
Speaker 12: lost columns.

1584
01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:06,840
Speaker 3: A whole nother story. That's the thing, because you're balancing, Okay,

1585
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:10,280
Speaker 3: they did something that's better than nothing, but do the

1586
01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:18,160
Speaker 3: Bengals plus Joe Burrow equal hope? Well, Joe Burrow, I'm

1587
01:20:18,160 --> 01:20:20,880
Speaker 3: going to do that a lot of me too.

1588
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:24,679
Speaker 12: I typed, I literally just tweeted out something and type

1589
01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:26,760
Speaker 12: Joe Burrow and realized that caught myself and put in

1590
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:29,599
Speaker 12: Flacco like it's it's going to happen because the Bengals

1591
01:20:29,640 --> 01:20:30,599
Speaker 12: are banking on Joe again.

1592
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:31,559
Speaker 3: It's just a different Joe.

1593
01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:36,080
Speaker 12: And uh yeah, I do think there's hope. Now, this

1594
01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:39,360
Speaker 12: hope can fade very very fast. A couple of weeks ago,

1595
01:20:39,439 --> 01:20:42,120
Speaker 12: there was hope that a Jay can hold it down.

1596
01:20:42,160 --> 01:20:43,599
Speaker 12: We've been in this position before.

1597
01:20:43,680 --> 01:20:44,400
Speaker 3: We're two and zero.

1598
01:20:44,479 --> 01:20:48,280
Speaker 12: He battled back and we came back and handled handed

1599
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:50,519
Speaker 12: the Jags, which happens to be their only loss of

1600
01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:53,000
Speaker 12: the year. Now, like that was the mindset with these

1601
01:20:53,080 --> 01:20:56,479
Speaker 12: guys going into that Minnesota game, and well that didn't

1602
01:20:56,520 --> 01:20:58,439
Speaker 12: work out, and then it didn't work out the next week,

1603
01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:00,360
Speaker 12: and then it didn't work out the next time. So

1604
01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:05,800
Speaker 12: they they're gonna rally around Joe Flacco. Whether or not

1605
01:21:06,040 --> 01:21:10,240
Speaker 12: that gets huge results, we'll see. I will say this though,

1606
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:14,240
Speaker 12: it will be better. I'm confident in that, Like there

1607
01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:17,439
Speaker 12: is no way, Like Jake Browning was so bad and

1608
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:20,280
Speaker 12: I hate this for him because he's a nice guy

1609
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:23,040
Speaker 12: and he was walking out probably three minutes before Joe

1610
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:25,000
Speaker 12: Flacco did for practice more. I'll wait and then he's

1611
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:27,479
Speaker 12: walking out and that was probably the loneliest walk ever

1612
01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:32,280
Speaker 12: because he knew who we were waiting on, and it's like, man,

1613
01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:36,000
Speaker 12: it was so bad. He missed Jamar wide open. And

1614
01:21:36,080 --> 01:21:38,519
Speaker 12: everyone blames the offensive line, but if you really look,

1615
01:21:38,840 --> 01:21:40,760
Speaker 12: there were plays to be made the past couple of

1616
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:43,960
Speaker 12: weeks and they weren't made and that has to change.

1617
01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:46,200
Speaker 12: Whether or not it will result and wins, I don't know,

1618
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:50,479
Speaker 12: but that part needs to change because the Bengals they

1619
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:53,920
Speaker 12: should still be an entertaining football team on offense, and

1620
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:56,200
Speaker 12: they've been anything but over the past three weeks.

1621
01:21:56,920 --> 01:21:59,519
Speaker 3: Do you think there were some positives to take away

1622
01:21:59,640 --> 01:22:01,840
Speaker 3: from the offense as a whole, from the way that

1623
01:22:01,960 --> 01:22:04,640
Speaker 3: they played against Detroit or do you feel like it

1624
01:22:04,760 --> 01:22:07,800
Speaker 3: was just garbage time Detroit was injured and it just

1625
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:08,639
Speaker 3: kind of happened.

1626
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:14,120
Speaker 12: Yeah, that it was that graverage time I barely counted.

1627
01:22:14,200 --> 01:22:17,720
Speaker 12: I mean, I feel like the Lions were kind of sleepwalking.

1628
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:21,439
Speaker 3: You know, they knew early on in this game what

1629
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:22,600
Speaker 3: they were dealing with that.

1630
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:28,160
Speaker 12: It just wasn't a true threat, and you didn't see

1631
01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:30,080
Speaker 12: them go forward on fourth down. They were just kind

1632
01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:32,920
Speaker 12: of going through the motions. Even Dan Campbell I thought

1633
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:35,479
Speaker 12: to an extent, you know, leading the way on the.

1634
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:35,960
Speaker 3: Way he does.

1635
01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:40,639
Speaker 12: It wasn't as aggressive, So yeah, I think I didn't

1636
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:42,439
Speaker 12: put a ton of stock in that, And that's why

1637
01:22:42,479 --> 01:22:45,360
Speaker 12: a couple of weeks ago I was on the look

1638
01:22:45,439 --> 01:22:48,519
Speaker 12: to find another option at quarterback, just in case Jake

1639
01:22:48,680 --> 01:22:53,240
Speaker 12: doesn't work, so you have another option because you can't

1640
01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:54,200
Speaker 12: turn to Brett Ripping.

1641
01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:56,240
Speaker 3: I wasn't calling for Brett Rippon on Sunday.

1642
01:22:57,360 --> 01:22:57,680
Speaker 2: I was.

1643
01:22:57,920 --> 01:23:01,479
Speaker 12: You can't sure, and I think a lot of people were.

1644
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:04,000
Speaker 12: But I know how that would have looked too and

1645
01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:05,200
Speaker 12: it wouldn't have been any better.

1646
01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:06,000
Speaker 7: And so that's.

1647
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:10,240
Speaker 3: That's why this was a necessary move for sure. What

1648
01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:13,799
Speaker 3: about defensively, because you know, I felt like they were okay,

1649
01:23:14,200 --> 01:23:18,200
Speaker 3: they weren't great, The Lions were sleepwalking a little bit.

1650
01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:21,360
Speaker 3: But were there any positives that you took away from

1651
01:23:21,400 --> 01:23:24,439
Speaker 3: the defense that maybe they can use going into Green Bay.

1652
01:23:26,120 --> 01:23:26,320
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1653
01:23:26,479 --> 01:23:29,720
Speaker 12: I think that's why this move makes sense to me.

1654
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:33,600
Speaker 12: So you can evaluate everyone like you may lead to

1655
01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:35,360
Speaker 12: winning games and you're hoping you catch lightning in a

1656
01:23:35,400 --> 01:23:39,280
Speaker 12: bottle and you get the twenty twenty three Flacco impact

1657
01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:41,439
Speaker 12: where you go on a run here and you get

1658
01:23:42,040 --> 01:23:44,960
Speaker 12: the better Joe Joe Burrow back with a chance at

1659
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:48,760
Speaker 12: making a playoff run. But regardless, this defense, I don't

1660
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:51,840
Speaker 12: even know how you evaluate him, because I think I'm

1661
01:23:51,960 --> 01:23:54,280
Speaker 12: encouraged by what I've seen over the past few weeks.

1662
01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:57,000
Speaker 12: But it wasn't great, and they've been put in such

1663
01:23:57,680 --> 01:24:01,560
Speaker 12: awful spots that it's really tough to blame them for

1664
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:06,320
Speaker 12: anything really, And I do think they lack game changers.

1665
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:08,880
Speaker 12: Outside of Trey Hendrickson, there's just not many guys that

1666
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:10,960
Speaker 12: are gonna all right, we need to play here, let's

1667
01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:14,160
Speaker 12: go make it. But let's see, well let's see if

1668
01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:16,639
Speaker 12: that's actually the case, and let's see if the defense

1669
01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:20,360
Speaker 12: could come together when they're not looking up at a

1670
01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:24,360
Speaker 12: deficit where this offense just is incapable of overcoming it.

1671
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:26,519
Speaker 9: So yeah, I'm.

1672
01:24:26,120 --> 01:24:28,200
Speaker 12: Encouraged by some of the things. I thought the pressure

1673
01:24:28,280 --> 01:24:31,400
Speaker 12: the other day was a very real thing. They were

1674
01:24:31,520 --> 01:24:35,840
Speaker 12: solid against the run, but again, I think the Lions

1675
01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:38,080
Speaker 12: were kind of sleepwalking. And so before I put a

1676
01:24:38,160 --> 01:24:40,920
Speaker 12: ton of stock in that, let's see it on a

1677
01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:43,240
Speaker 12: normal game script. For maybe the Bengals get a lead

1678
01:24:43,320 --> 01:24:45,120
Speaker 12: in the first quarter, maybe score a touchdown in the

1679
01:24:45,160 --> 01:24:47,760
Speaker 12: first quarter or first half, it would be nice to

1680
01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:52,920
Speaker 12: see and evaluate this defense in a normal game like setting,

1681
01:24:52,920 --> 01:24:56,360
Speaker 12: which we just haven't seen since the Jacksonville.

1682
01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:57,760
Speaker 3: Game in Week two. I think it's fair to say

1683
01:24:57,800 --> 01:25:02,280
Speaker 3: that the Bengals secondary, and specifically they're cornerbacks, are much maligned.

1684
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:06,160
Speaker 3: What do you what's the vibe from that group in

1685
01:25:06,280 --> 01:25:08,479
Speaker 3: that corner of the locker room when it comes to

1686
01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:13,120
Speaker 3: their performance. Obviously Cam Taylor Britt not playing well. I

1687
01:25:13,240 --> 01:25:15,680
Speaker 3: think much was expected out of that group and they

1688
01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:19,760
Speaker 3: aren't meeting that expectation. What's the feeling you get from

1689
01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:23,080
Speaker 3: that secondary overall?

1690
01:25:23,160 --> 01:25:27,840
Speaker 12: I don't think the secondary has been, you know, dreadful.

1691
01:25:28,640 --> 01:25:31,599
Speaker 12: I think that you're right, Cam Taylor Britt. It's been

1692
01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:36,479
Speaker 12: tough for him. It's been tough for a secondary that

1693
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:39,840
Speaker 12: when you don't get any pressure up front, you're gonna

1694
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:42,719
Speaker 12: have to deal with that cover and cover cover. But overall,

1695
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:44,960
Speaker 12: like I was encouraged by DJ Turner the other the

1696
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:48,000
Speaker 12: other day, I think Dax Hill has played pretty darn

1697
01:25:48,080 --> 01:25:52,559
Speaker 12: well considering the circumstances and considering the lack of pressure. Now,

1698
01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:56,040
Speaker 12: is he a true Pro Bowl game changer? I haven't

1699
01:25:56,080 --> 01:25:59,639
Speaker 12: seen that, so I think he's a solid starting NFL corner.

1700
01:26:00,439 --> 01:26:03,720
Speaker 12: I have seen that, and so that's what's tough is.

1701
01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:05,640
Speaker 3: You can have.

1702
01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:10,280
Speaker 12: Multiple solid starting cornerbacks, but if they have to cover

1703
01:26:10,439 --> 01:26:13,600
Speaker 12: for so long because the pass rush isn't getting home consistently,

1704
01:26:14,200 --> 01:26:16,000
Speaker 12: or because you're down by a bunch of points so

1705
01:26:16,680 --> 01:26:18,519
Speaker 12: you're not going to get the opportunity to make plays

1706
01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:19,920
Speaker 12: on the ball, well, then.

1707
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:20,880
Speaker 3: It's really tough to judge.

1708
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:25,040
Speaker 12: So I think it's a mixture, a mixed bag because

1709
01:26:25,080 --> 01:26:27,639
Speaker 12: you throw in Cam Taylor Britt and it's like he's

1710
01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:30,559
Speaker 12: certainly underachieved at this point. But DJ Turner and Dax Sell,

1711
01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:32,599
Speaker 12: the Michigan guys, I think you're a big Michigan fan.

1712
01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:36,360
Speaker 12: They've impressed me for the most part this season.

1713
01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:38,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they don't even know what plays are coming.

1714
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:41,720
Speaker 3: So that's a big deal for them to be able

1715
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:45,479
Speaker 3: to take a step forward with that look ahead to

1716
01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:49,800
Speaker 3: Green Bay. What's the biggest thing the Bengals have to

1717
01:26:49,880 --> 01:26:52,280
Speaker 3: do defensively to slow down the Packers?

1718
01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:57,640
Speaker 12: In your opinion, man, you know they would say the

1719
01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:00,160
Speaker 12: general stopped the route, and obviously you can't let Ash

1720
01:27:00,240 --> 01:27:00,960
Speaker 12: Jacobs go off.

1721
01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:04,160
Speaker 3: You tend to agree there, But to.

1722
01:27:04,280 --> 01:27:08,000
Speaker 12: Me, this is sort of got to be how they

1723
01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:12,000
Speaker 12: play like in a normal game script. Let's say the

1724
01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:14,280
Speaker 12: Bengals are in the game and it's ten to seven

1725
01:27:14,439 --> 01:27:15,280
Speaker 12: or thirteen to ten.

1726
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:17,000
Speaker 3: Or something like that going into third quarter.

1727
01:27:17,160 --> 01:27:20,760
Speaker 12: Create a little chaos, get after make Jordan Love throw

1728
01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:23,280
Speaker 12: the ball earlier than he wants to, or hold the

1729
01:27:23,320 --> 01:27:25,120
Speaker 12: ball longer than he wants to, and get a strip

1730
01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:28,639
Speaker 12: sack or get a tackle for loss that puts them

1731
01:27:28,720 --> 01:27:31,080
Speaker 12: behind the change the big plays like that.

1732
01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:33,200
Speaker 3: I think that's sort.

1733
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:35,439
Speaker 12: Of what they need, which is a high variance because

1734
01:27:35,439 --> 01:27:36,960
Speaker 12: if you're not getting them, then you're gonna give up

1735
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:39,599
Speaker 12: a bunch of yards and you could struggle at times.

1736
01:27:40,160 --> 01:27:45,200
Speaker 12: But like my ideal Bengals defense like that, realistically would

1737
01:27:45,240 --> 01:27:48,800
Speaker 12: be a defense that's opportunistic that cashes in on their

1738
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:51,560
Speaker 12: chances of making big plays and that could lead to

1739
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:54,120
Speaker 12: stops or turnovers and you go from there.

1740
01:27:54,200 --> 01:27:55,360
Speaker 3: So I would say turnovers.

1741
01:27:55,720 --> 01:27:57,120
Speaker 12: You're gonna have to go on the road and force

1742
01:27:57,200 --> 01:28:01,479
Speaker 12: multiple turnovers and give this offense extra chances to get

1743
01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:03,559
Speaker 12: some momentum and get into a rhythm on.

1744
01:28:03,600 --> 01:28:05,800
Speaker 3: The other side of the ball. Green Bay is very

1745
01:28:05,880 --> 01:28:09,880
Speaker 3: good defensively, maybe the best defense the Bengals will face

1746
01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:14,320
Speaker 3: this season or up until this point. Offensively, I know

1747
01:28:14,520 --> 01:28:17,240
Speaker 3: that the bar is very low. It's maybe just don't

1748
01:28:17,320 --> 01:28:19,920
Speaker 3: turn it over. But is there anything else that stands

1749
01:28:19,960 --> 01:28:22,640
Speaker 3: out to you of like, Okay, this is a prerequisite

1750
01:28:22,720 --> 01:28:24,760
Speaker 3: to having a successful offensive day.

1751
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:32,960
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's so it's so simple, but like, just like

1752
01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:35,640
Speaker 12: what should the strength of the Bengals be? Like if

1753
01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:37,640
Speaker 12: you went high level, like the strength.

1754
01:28:37,400 --> 01:28:40,760
Speaker 3: Of the Bengals, what is it throwing the ball?

1755
01:28:42,439 --> 01:28:46,479
Speaker 12: It's their weapons, right, And so like I'm sick and

1756
01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:50,800
Speaker 12: tired of like like T Higgins, it's production this year.

1757
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:54,320
Speaker 12: It's like it's like T Wiggins, it's like some random

1758
01:28:54,479 --> 01:28:56,120
Speaker 12: receiver that you've never heard of.

1759
01:28:56,280 --> 01:28:57,120
Speaker 7: And that's what it is.

1760
01:28:57,640 --> 01:28:59,240
Speaker 3: And that's not a knock on tea.

1761
01:29:00,040 --> 01:29:02,639
Speaker 12: That's a knock on the offense. That can't be the case.

1762
01:29:02,920 --> 01:29:04,760
Speaker 12: He needs to be a game changer. They paid him

1763
01:29:04,760 --> 01:29:06,400
Speaker 12: to be a game changer. He's capable of being a

1764
01:29:06,439 --> 01:29:09,160
Speaker 12: game changer. Obviously that goes with Jamar Chase.

1765
01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:11,360
Speaker 3: But it isn't just those guys, Like.

1766
01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:14,920
Speaker 12: It's not like Jake was using Mike SICKI well, up

1767
01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:17,519
Speaker 12: until the other day, Andre Yozabosh was on a note card.

1768
01:29:17,560 --> 01:29:20,400
Speaker 12: And like Chase Brown has had a down year compared

1769
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:23,320
Speaker 12: to where expectations were coming into this season. Like, everyone

1770
01:29:23,400 --> 01:29:28,160
Speaker 12: on offense is underachieved. So let your playmakers be playmakers.

1771
01:29:28,840 --> 01:29:30,880
Speaker 12: And if you can get to that, however you do it,

1772
01:29:31,160 --> 01:29:34,240
Speaker 12: I don't care if it's under center, shotgun, play action,

1773
01:29:35,320 --> 01:29:38,360
Speaker 12: quick screens, quick, get your guys in space, beat balls

1774
01:29:38,439 --> 01:29:39,880
Speaker 12: with Flacco and the moon ball, Like.

1775
01:29:40,040 --> 01:29:42,280
Speaker 3: I don't really care how but those.

1776
01:29:42,160 --> 01:29:44,800
Speaker 12: Guys got to touch the ball early and often because

1777
01:29:44,840 --> 01:29:46,479
Speaker 12: that's what's going to carry you. If you're going to

1778
01:29:46,520 --> 01:29:49,439
Speaker 12: go on a run here, it's going to be the offense.

1779
01:29:49,640 --> 01:29:52,240
Speaker 12: And that sounds insane because they've scored thirty seven points

1780
01:29:52,280 --> 01:29:54,120
Speaker 12: in three games and all four of their touchdowns over

1781
01:29:54,120 --> 01:29:56,960
Speaker 12: the last three games came in garbage time. But that's

1782
01:29:57,320 --> 01:30:00,120
Speaker 12: their reality and I think they know that, and that's

1783
01:30:00,120 --> 01:30:02,000
Speaker 12: why they went and they got Joe Flacco because they

1784
01:30:02,080 --> 01:30:04,960
Speaker 12: needed someone that had the arm, talent and had seen

1785
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:08,080
Speaker 12: enough in this league to get the ball to their playmakers.

1786
01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:09,320
Speaker 12: Because if they're going to go on a run, their

1787
01:30:09,360 --> 01:30:11,640
Speaker 12: playmakers are going to be the reason why, no.

1788
01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:16,400
Speaker 3: Doubt about it. James Rapine All All Bengals Bengals Talk

1789
01:30:16,520 --> 01:30:20,920
Speaker 3: Cincinnati Bengals talk run through the gambit here. What is it?

1790
01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:24,760
Speaker 3: You got me confused? I know, I do. It's all right,

1791
01:30:24,840 --> 01:30:25,519
Speaker 3: I know, I know.

1792
01:30:25,880 --> 01:30:30,439
Speaker 12: Locked on Bengals, Locked on Bengals, Cincinnati Bengals Talk.

1793
01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:34,759
Speaker 3: Boom, there you go. Three headed monster, all right, wonderful

1794
01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:35,360
Speaker 3: head monster?

1795
01:30:36,320 --> 01:30:38,600
Speaker 12: What they call that? Joe Flacco, Jamar Chase and T

1796
01:30:38,760 --> 01:30:40,080
Speaker 12: Higgins The three headed monster.

1797
01:30:41,960 --> 01:30:44,840
Speaker 3: That is a monster. Indeed, James, thanks for making some

1798
01:30:44,960 --> 01:30:48,240
Speaker 3: time for me today. Have a great day. You're the man.

1799
01:30:48,479 --> 01:30:52,960
Speaker 3: Appreciate your That is James Rapine from Bengals Talk dot com.

1800
01:30:53,720 --> 01:30:56,040
Speaker 3: We'll take a break, we'll come back. We'll get into

1801
01:30:56,120 --> 01:30:59,320
Speaker 3: the Reds and what Nick Krawl said when he met

1802
01:30:59,360 --> 01:31:02,000
Speaker 3: with the media and what that might mean for the

1803
01:31:02,080 --> 01:31:05,600
Speaker 3: Reds future. That's next. This is since He three to

1804
01:31:05,640 --> 01:31:08,840
Speaker 3: sixty hour three, brought to you by Penn Station on

1805
01:31:08,920 --> 01:31:11,160
Speaker 3: the hull of the Bengals, ESPN fifteen thirty.

1806
01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:14,599
Speaker 18: Now your chance to win one thousand and three sixty

1807
01:31:14,960 --> 01:31:19,360
Speaker 18: is back on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back, Since He three sixty ESPN fifteen thirty. I'm

1809
01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:45,519
Speaker 3: Austin Elmore, planning on talking to Moegor about twenty minutes

1810
01:31:45,560 --> 01:31:47,800
Speaker 3: from right now, twenty five minutes from right now. He's

1811
01:31:47,840 --> 01:31:51,160
Speaker 3: in this afternoon three to six for the mo Egger

1812
01:31:51,280 --> 01:31:54,360
Speaker 3: Radio Show. After that'll be the the Bengals game Plan

1813
01:31:54,479 --> 01:31:57,599
Speaker 3: Show with Dan Horden Dave Lapham. They will be joined

1814
01:31:58,760 --> 01:32:04,120
Speaker 3: by Bengals wide receiver andre Yoshivash during the show this evening,

1815
01:32:04,920 --> 01:32:07,720
Speaker 3: let's switch gears to the Reds. We haven't talked that

1816
01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:11,000
Speaker 3: much about them because we haven't known that much. I

1817
01:32:11,040 --> 01:32:13,479
Speaker 3: think we all have a lot of opinions about the

1818
01:32:13,560 --> 01:32:16,599
Speaker 3: direction the franchise needs to go. Those opinions are also

1819
01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:19,240
Speaker 3: pretty much the same thing we've been saying about them

1820
01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:22,559
Speaker 3: for the last several years, in the last several off seasons.

1821
01:32:23,200 --> 01:32:26,640
Speaker 3: And so the end of the year press conference or

1822
01:32:26,840 --> 01:32:31,080
Speaker 3: meet with the media happened earlier this week between Nick Krawl,

1823
01:32:31,400 --> 01:32:35,560
Speaker 3: Brad Metter, and the writers that cover the team and

1824
01:32:36,760 --> 01:32:40,560
Speaker 3: Mike Petralia, our friend. He put together a list of

1825
01:32:40,720 --> 01:32:45,360
Speaker 3: takeaways from that conversation. Now, I haven't seen a video

1826
01:32:45,400 --> 01:32:46,920
Speaker 3: of this. I didn't see that it was live streamed

1827
01:32:46,960 --> 01:32:50,840
Speaker 3: or anything. I could be wrong. To my knowledge, there's

1828
01:32:50,880 --> 01:32:55,840
Speaker 3: no audio of it, but Mike put the takeaways from

1829
01:32:55,920 --> 01:32:59,960
Speaker 3: it on social media. The first one is that Terry

1830
01:33:00,120 --> 01:33:05,400
Speaker 3: Francona's staff has been offered to remain in full for

1831
01:33:05,520 --> 01:33:10,479
Speaker 3: twenty twenty six. I disagree with this. Now I have

1832
01:33:10,640 --> 01:33:14,639
Speaker 3: no problem with Derek Johnson, and Derek has a role

1833
01:33:14,720 --> 01:33:17,320
Speaker 3: that's far beyond just major league pitching coach. He's the

1834
01:33:17,360 --> 01:33:19,880
Speaker 3: director of pitching for the organization. If there is one

1835
01:33:20,040 --> 01:33:23,960
Speaker 3: strength for this organization, it has been their ability to

1836
01:33:24,200 --> 01:33:27,880
Speaker 3: develop pitchers. That is a strength. It will be a

1837
01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:31,439
Speaker 3: strength of theirs going into next season. They deserve credit

1838
01:33:31,520 --> 01:33:34,920
Speaker 3: for that. Derek Johnson deserves credit for that. But I

1839
01:33:35,040 --> 01:33:39,839
Speaker 3: was told that I should expect changes on this coaching

1840
01:33:39,920 --> 01:33:44,479
Speaker 3: staff going into next year, and apparently that's changed. And

1841
01:33:44,840 --> 01:33:49,600
Speaker 3: the reason I disagree with it is because many of

1842
01:33:49,640 --> 01:33:53,519
Speaker 3: the same issues that we saw with this team this

1843
01:33:53,760 --> 01:33:58,080
Speaker 3: year were issues in the David bell era and there

1844
01:33:58,160 --> 01:34:02,799
Speaker 3: were holdovers from the day David bell Era. Colin Cowgill

1845
01:34:03,479 --> 01:34:08,479
Speaker 3: j R. House Freddie Benaviti's Now. Freddie seems like a

1846
01:34:08,600 --> 01:34:11,720
Speaker 3: lovely guy and is beloved in the clubhouse and one

1847
01:34:11,760 --> 01:34:14,280
Speaker 3: of Joey Vado's favorite people of all time. But Freddie

1848
01:34:14,360 --> 01:34:17,360
Speaker 3: is charged with the infield defense. That's what he does.

1849
01:34:17,520 --> 01:34:21,920
Speaker 3: He coordinates that infield and works specifically with those infielders.

1850
01:34:22,960 --> 01:34:28,240
Speaker 3: What is constantly a weakness for this team enfield defense.

1851
01:34:28,920 --> 01:34:31,960
Speaker 3: The infield defense has been so bad that they had

1852
01:34:31,960 --> 01:34:35,680
Speaker 3: to go and trade for a Gold Glover. Ellie de

1853
01:34:35,800 --> 01:34:40,280
Speaker 3: la Cruz had an awful season defensively his worst in

1854
01:34:40,360 --> 01:34:42,519
Speaker 3: a lot of different metrics. He got better towards the end,

1855
01:34:43,160 --> 01:34:46,120
Speaker 3: but Ellie was not great. Matt McClean was okay, but

1856
01:34:46,240 --> 01:34:49,720
Speaker 3: you saw the way he performed in the playoffs wasn't wonderful.

1857
01:34:50,320 --> 01:34:52,840
Speaker 3: Spencer Steer was a mixed bag. He would make these

1858
01:34:52,920 --> 01:34:55,800
Speaker 3: great diving plays, but couldn't dig a ball out of

1859
01:34:55,840 --> 01:34:59,960
Speaker 3: the dirt. The infield defense never felt like it was

1860
01:35:00,280 --> 01:35:03,519
Speaker 3: strength unless the ball was hit to Key Brian Hayes,

1861
01:35:04,520 --> 01:35:08,320
Speaker 3: and then you felt okay. I felt like they could

1862
01:35:08,400 --> 01:35:10,200
Speaker 3: use a breath of fresh air when it comes to that.

1863
01:35:11,600 --> 01:35:15,280
Speaker 3: Then we look at JR. House, who does catching? Jose

1864
01:35:15,439 --> 01:35:18,720
Speaker 3: Travino comes in as a Platinum Glove winner with his

1865
01:35:18,880 --> 01:35:23,679
Speaker 3: time previously in New York. I don't know the numbers

1866
01:35:23,720 --> 01:35:25,960
Speaker 3: in front of me, so I could be totally off

1867
01:35:26,040 --> 01:35:29,479
Speaker 3: on this, But did ever feel like the Reds could

1868
01:35:29,479 --> 01:35:33,839
Speaker 3: throw out runners? Very rarely? Did they throw out runners

1869
01:35:34,360 --> 01:35:39,599
Speaker 3: very rarely? Did defense feel like a plus for Reds catchers,

1870
01:35:40,200 --> 01:35:42,960
Speaker 3: and I do think Travino plays a role and Stevenson

1871
01:35:43,040 --> 01:35:46,759
Speaker 3: plays a role in their ability to work with pitchers

1872
01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:49,120
Speaker 3: and develop pitchers, and I think there's value in that.

1873
01:35:49,960 --> 01:35:54,000
Speaker 3: But also there is a hole in the game, which

1874
01:35:54,120 --> 01:35:56,360
Speaker 3: is the Reds can be run on because of their

1875
01:35:56,479 --> 01:36:00,880
Speaker 3: lack of arm at the catcher position. To mention JayR.

1876
01:36:00,920 --> 01:36:04,599
Speaker 3: House as a third base coach more than once left

1877
01:36:04,640 --> 01:36:07,840
Speaker 3: you questioning his decision making on whether or not to

1878
01:36:07,920 --> 01:36:11,400
Speaker 3: send a runner. Then you go out to the outfield

1879
01:36:11,479 --> 01:36:14,920
Speaker 3: coach and first base coach, Colin Cowgill. Colin played in

1880
01:36:14,960 --> 01:36:18,280
Speaker 3: the major leagues and by all means a really cool guy,

1881
01:36:18,520 --> 01:36:22,599
Speaker 3: and I think this guy might have the best case

1882
01:36:22,680 --> 01:36:26,040
Speaker 3: for staying, especially the work he's done with TJ. Friedle,

1883
01:36:26,120 --> 01:36:29,760
Speaker 3: with Will Benson and with noel Vie Martez the outfield coach.

1884
01:36:30,720 --> 01:36:36,360
Speaker 3: But still I think there's questions about a lot of it.

1885
01:36:37,960 --> 01:36:40,320
Speaker 3: And I was surprised to see that so much of

1886
01:36:40,360 --> 01:36:45,599
Speaker 3: the staff was in. The entire staff was invited back

1887
01:36:46,640 --> 01:36:49,240
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty six. I was a little surprised by that.

1888
01:36:50,560 --> 01:36:54,200
Speaker 3: What's next on the list of takeaways the young arms

1889
01:36:54,320 --> 01:36:58,320
Speaker 3: coming off of health issues, which would be Chase Burns,

1890
01:36:58,400 --> 01:37:02,280
Speaker 3: Rhet Louder, Brandon Williams and others. Those will be managed

1891
01:37:02,600 --> 01:37:06,120
Speaker 3: closely early on in twenty twenty six. Not a surprise,

1892
01:37:06,720 --> 01:37:08,560
Speaker 3: they said. Ellie de la Cruz is in line to

1893
01:37:08,640 --> 01:37:11,519
Speaker 3: be the shortstop again in twenty twenty six as he

1894
01:37:11,640 --> 01:37:15,519
Speaker 3: continues to address his defense. Nick Krawl was asked if

1895
01:37:15,560 --> 01:37:18,760
Speaker 3: there had been any conversations about it, and he said

1896
01:37:19,160 --> 01:37:24,040
Speaker 3: not to this point, so that to me leaves the

1897
01:37:24,120 --> 01:37:27,600
Speaker 3: door open to they might have conversations about it. We

1898
01:37:27,720 --> 01:37:30,240
Speaker 3: talked to Charlie Goldsmith last Friday and he said it

1899
01:37:30,320 --> 01:37:35,360
Speaker 3: will be a conversation that was prior to the conversation

1900
01:37:35,479 --> 01:37:41,200
Speaker 3: with Nick Krawl that we're referencing right now. I've always been, hey,

1901
01:37:41,960 --> 01:37:44,360
Speaker 3: let Ellie be your shortstop, let him work through it

1902
01:37:44,479 --> 01:37:49,639
Speaker 3: type of guy. But defensively, what he showed this year

1903
01:37:50,520 --> 01:37:52,800
Speaker 3: made me think, and especially the way that noel Vie

1904
01:37:52,880 --> 01:37:57,040
Speaker 3: Marte transitioned to the outfield made me think, maybe it

1905
01:37:57,280 --> 01:38:01,800
Speaker 3: is best for Ellie to move to the outfield. I've

1906
01:38:01,840 --> 01:38:06,360
Speaker 3: always thought that the ideal situation would be Matt McClain

1907
01:38:06,479 --> 01:38:10,040
Speaker 3: moves to shortstop, Ellie moves to the outfield. You get

1908
01:38:10,200 --> 01:38:13,040
Speaker 3: power and defense and you don't lose it in those

1909
01:38:13,120 --> 01:38:17,040
Speaker 3: two big positions. But now that's all kind of thrown

1910
01:38:17,080 --> 01:38:22,200
Speaker 3: into a tizzy because Matt McClain's not a guarantee. You

1911
01:38:22,439 --> 01:38:25,799
Speaker 3: can't be taken seriously if you're Terry Francona and the Reds.

1912
01:38:25,840 --> 01:38:28,080
Speaker 3: If you go into spring training in twenty twenty six

1913
01:38:29,160 --> 01:38:33,280
Speaker 3: and Matt McClain is given the starting spot at second base,

1914
01:38:34,240 --> 01:38:36,320
Speaker 3: why should he be given it? He did nothing to

1915
01:38:36,439 --> 01:38:39,880
Speaker 3: earn it this year. You know, McClain talked about that

1916
01:38:40,120 --> 01:38:43,479
Speaker 3: postgame of the Dodgers series in La saying, I know

1917
01:38:43,560 --> 01:38:45,880
Speaker 3: it's probably hard to put my name in that lineup

1918
01:38:45,920 --> 01:38:51,519
Speaker 3: at times. The dude has to prove something coming into

1919
01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:57,800
Speaker 3: training spring training next year, wouldn't you think because salth

1920
01:38:57,840 --> 01:39:00,960
Speaker 3: Stewart is going to get a shot, I would hope

1921
01:39:01,120 --> 01:39:03,560
Speaker 3: Spencer Steer could play second if he really needed him to.

1922
01:39:05,840 --> 01:39:08,000
Speaker 3: Gavin Lux is still there, although I don't know anybody

1923
01:39:08,040 --> 01:39:11,439
Speaker 3: gets really fired up about his defense, but still, like

1924
01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:14,639
Speaker 3: Matt McClain, is a huge question mark. So it makes

1925
01:39:14,760 --> 01:39:17,880
Speaker 3: moving Ellie a lot harder if you're going to replace

1926
01:39:17,960 --> 01:39:21,760
Speaker 3: him with Matt McClain, who defensively would be fine, but

1927
01:39:21,920 --> 01:39:25,360
Speaker 3: offensively is a complete sinkhole. There needs to be a

1928
01:39:25,520 --> 01:39:29,519
Speaker 3: change there for McClain. And the other thing too, is

1929
01:39:29,640 --> 01:39:31,320
Speaker 3: is Ellie's got to decide what type of hit or

1930
01:39:31,400 --> 01:39:35,280
Speaker 3: he wants to be. You know, I saw that almost

1931
01:39:35,479 --> 01:39:40,200
Speaker 3: every Red's batter lost bat speed this year. I didn't

1932
01:39:40,200 --> 01:39:43,679
Speaker 3: even touch on Chris Valaka. I'll give here Listen. I'll

1933
01:39:43,680 --> 01:39:46,080
Speaker 3: give Chris Valaka a pass because it's year number one

1934
01:39:47,000 --> 01:39:48,719
Speaker 3: and I don't think he had a ton of talent,

1935
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Speaker 3: and I do think it's too early to come to

1936
01:39:53,400 --> 01:39:56,080
Speaker 3: a decision on Chris Valaka in his style one year

1937
01:39:56,200 --> 01:39:59,840
Speaker 3: into his approach, so I'll give him a pass. I also,

1938
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:03,360
Speaker 3: I don't think it's entirely his fault because of the

1939
01:40:03,400 --> 01:40:05,599
Speaker 3: way that Nick Crawl and Bradmetter are choosing to build

1940
01:40:05,640 --> 01:40:10,240
Speaker 3: the team. It's their plan. He follows their plan, So

1941
01:40:10,400 --> 01:40:12,560
Speaker 3: I don't put all the blame at the feet of

1942
01:40:12,680 --> 01:40:16,120
Speaker 3: Chris Vleka for their offensive struggles. But I was a

1943
01:40:16,160 --> 01:40:18,599
Speaker 3: little concerned that, Hey, you couldn't get Matt McLain out

1944
01:40:18,640 --> 01:40:21,120
Speaker 3: of that slump. Hey you took Ellie De la Cruz's

1945
01:40:21,200 --> 01:40:24,439
Speaker 3: power away. Ellie has to decide what type of player

1946
01:40:24,479 --> 01:40:26,920
Speaker 3: he wants to be. Does he want to be on base.

1947
01:40:27,040 --> 01:40:28,840
Speaker 3: Does he want to steal bases? Does he want to

1948
01:40:28,920 --> 01:40:30,719
Speaker 3: hit for average? Or does he want to hit for power.

1949
01:40:32,200 --> 01:40:34,880
Speaker 3: He's a rare type of player that can do both,

1950
01:40:35,840 --> 01:40:38,439
Speaker 3: but it seems like it's one or the other. So

1951
01:40:38,600 --> 01:40:41,120
Speaker 3: can he tap into a consistency that allows him to

1952
01:40:41,160 --> 01:40:45,840
Speaker 3: be both or can he choose one side and just

1953
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:48,240
Speaker 3: be that? And can the Reds let him be a

1954
01:40:48,320 --> 01:40:50,960
Speaker 3: dude that hits for power? Maybe he strikes out more,

1955
01:40:51,040 --> 01:40:55,200
Speaker 3: maybe you adjust the lineup. I don't know. Continuing on

1956
01:40:55,280 --> 01:40:57,400
Speaker 3: the takeaways here, Matt McClain is looking forward to a

1957
01:40:57,479 --> 01:41:02,599
Speaker 3: full offseason healthy after disappointing twenty twenty five Shocker. South

1958
01:41:02,640 --> 01:41:04,720
Speaker 3: Stewart has a lot of room for growth and will

1959
01:41:04,800 --> 01:41:08,439
Speaker 3: compete for the first base and third base spot. Quote

1960
01:41:08,600 --> 01:41:13,800
Speaker 3: learning to grow his whole game first base, third base? Okay,

1961
01:41:13,960 --> 01:41:17,120
Speaker 3: so why'd you trade for key Brian Hayes if you're

1962
01:41:17,120 --> 01:41:20,360
Speaker 3: going to allow south Stewart to compete for third base?

1963
01:41:22,760 --> 01:41:24,920
Speaker 3: I feel like Spencer Steers is a pretty good option

1964
01:41:25,040 --> 01:41:26,800
Speaker 3: at first. But okay, if you want to put sal there,

1965
01:41:26,880 --> 01:41:30,479
Speaker 3: that's fine. If you move Spencer to the outfield, Okay,

1966
01:41:31,080 --> 01:41:33,479
Speaker 3: all right, I can see the vision a little bit there.

1967
01:41:34,160 --> 01:41:41,599
Speaker 3: But again, you're banking on health and production without depth. TJ.

1968
01:41:41,720 --> 01:41:44,479
Speaker 3: Friedel is a solid candidate to return to center field,

1969
01:41:44,520 --> 01:41:48,000
Speaker 3: as the team monitors his speed and legs to keep

1970
01:41:48,080 --> 01:41:53,519
Speaker 3: him fresh. I do remember uh Crawl talking about this

1971
01:41:53,680 --> 01:41:57,000
Speaker 3: and talking about the numbers for TJ. Friedle with his

1972
01:41:57,120 --> 01:42:00,400
Speaker 3: speed and all that, maybe not being as can system

1973
01:42:00,479 --> 01:42:04,840
Speaker 3: as they'd like and working on that. I've always felt

1974
01:42:04,920 --> 01:42:07,800
Speaker 3: like Friedo would be better often in one of the

1975
01:42:07,880 --> 01:42:10,720
Speaker 3: corner outfield spots. There was a time this year where

1976
01:42:10,720 --> 01:42:12,759
Speaker 3: I was like, I don't know if I'd put Friedo

1977
01:42:12,800 --> 01:42:15,320
Speaker 3: on center anymore as much I would just put Benson

1978
01:42:15,360 --> 01:42:17,960
Speaker 3: out there and find somewhere else for Freedom to play.

1979
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:20,880
Speaker 3: But I get it, I get where they're at. Cees

1980
01:42:21,280 --> 01:42:24,719
Speaker 3: remember him. Carlin Metter said he'll compete for a roster

1981
01:42:24,880 --> 01:42:27,920
Speaker 3: spot first base and third base in twenty twenty six

1982
01:42:27,960 --> 01:42:31,920
Speaker 3: spring training. Okay, good for Ces. Hope he finds he's

1983
01:42:32,000 --> 01:42:34,280
Speaker 3: like Kyle Pitts. He's the Kyle Pitts of the Reds.

1984
01:42:34,720 --> 01:42:36,720
Speaker 3: Every year we want to buy in and believe in.

1985
01:42:36,920 --> 01:42:41,960
Speaker 3: Cees never shows it. Red's free agents are Emilio Pagan,

1986
01:42:42,320 --> 01:42:47,040
Speaker 3: Nick Martinez, Miguel and Douhar Austin Hayes, Scott Barlow, Zach Lttel,

1987
01:42:47,680 --> 01:42:53,800
Speaker 3: Wade Miley, and Brent Suter. Barlow and Suitor both have options.

1988
01:42:54,080 --> 01:42:55,719
Speaker 3: I would imagine the Reds will pick up the option

1989
01:42:55,960 --> 01:43:00,439
Speaker 3: on Barlow. Don't know about Suitor. The only forty man

1990
01:43:00,600 --> 01:43:03,639
Speaker 3: roster players set for the Arizona Fall League, as Red Louder,

1991
01:43:03,680 --> 01:43:07,200
Speaker 3: We've known that Noelvie Marte will continue to work on

1992
01:43:07,320 --> 01:43:10,160
Speaker 3: right field in the Dominican Winter League. He played in

1993
01:43:10,200 --> 01:43:14,840
Speaker 3: that league last year. Quote frequency of contact, end quote

1994
01:43:15,320 --> 01:43:18,880
Speaker 3: in power is something that needs addressed, quote across the board,

1995
01:43:19,800 --> 01:43:25,320
Speaker 3: all right. And finally, the free agent budget hasn't been

1996
01:43:25,439 --> 01:43:30,400
Speaker 3: set yet, so they don't know how much money they

1997
01:43:30,439 --> 01:43:34,400
Speaker 3: are they have to spend on players in free agency.

1998
01:43:35,280 --> 01:43:38,120
Speaker 3: And you just mentioned, you just heard all those pitchers

1999
01:43:38,200 --> 01:43:40,040
Speaker 3: that they have that are going to be free agents.

2000
01:43:40,840 --> 01:43:43,240
Speaker 3: That's a major issue. The bullpen in and of itself

2001
01:43:43,360 --> 01:43:45,760
Speaker 3: is going to be a major issue. Number one, the

2002
01:43:45,920 --> 01:43:50,760
Speaker 3: numbers for bullpen arms have skyrocketed. They're very very high.

2003
01:43:50,800 --> 01:43:55,560
Speaker 3: The cost of bullpen arms have skyrocketed. And secondly, that

2004
01:43:55,720 --> 01:43:57,519
Speaker 3: was what got the regend of the playoffs this year.

2005
01:43:58,840 --> 01:44:04,200
Speaker 3: Right now, I I think it's like Santian and Connor

2006
01:44:04,320 --> 01:44:08,320
Speaker 3: Phillips and one other guy in the bullpen, Graham Ashcraft.

2007
01:44:09,080 --> 01:44:13,000
Speaker 3: Those are like your three to build around. They're going

2008
01:44:13,040 --> 01:44:14,600
Speaker 3: to have to address that position and it's going to

2009
01:44:14,640 --> 01:44:18,680
Speaker 3: be costly. So to me, all of this conversation from

2010
01:44:18,720 --> 01:44:21,439
Speaker 3: this week basically turns to, Yeah, we're probably going to

2011
01:44:21,560 --> 01:44:24,800
Speaker 3: run it back. We'll probably do what we've been doing.

2012
01:44:30,160 --> 01:44:32,960
Speaker 3: I hope that's not the case. I hope they proved

2013
01:44:33,000 --> 01:44:36,160
Speaker 3: me wrong. I hope they don't blame it on bad

2014
01:44:36,280 --> 01:44:40,559
Speaker 3: luck and injuries. You know, the Bengals blamed last year

2015
01:44:40,600 --> 01:44:42,920
Speaker 3: on bad luck and injuries, and they said, oh, we

2016
01:44:43,040 --> 01:44:45,040
Speaker 3: run it back with mostly the same group, mostly the

2017
01:44:45,080 --> 01:44:49,960
Speaker 3: same people will get better. Well, he had another injury,

2018
01:44:50,400 --> 01:44:53,519
Speaker 3: and here you are, and it's not just bad luck,

2019
01:44:53,560 --> 01:44:57,960
Speaker 3: it's bad players. Fired a coach still got bad players.

2020
01:44:59,320 --> 01:45:03,600
Speaker 3: Keep a coach still got bad players. Got to fix that.

2021
01:45:04,880 --> 01:45:08,120
Speaker 3: This is a huge offseason for this ball club because

2022
01:45:08,120 --> 01:45:10,120
Speaker 3: I don't think they're gonna play baseball in twenty twenty seven,

2023
01:45:10,479 --> 01:45:12,599
Speaker 3: and I don't think Terry Francona is gonna manage beyond

2024
01:45:12,640 --> 01:45:16,040
Speaker 3: this year. So it's either now or never for Terry

2025
01:45:16,080 --> 01:45:18,960
Speaker 3: Francona and the Reds take a break, We'll come back.

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01:45:19,000 --> 01:45:20,400
Speaker 3: This is ESPN fifteen thirty.

2027
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Speaker 19: Use Alexa, what's going on in baseball?

2028
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Speaker 1: Getting ESPN fifteen thirty from iHeartRadio.

2029
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Speaker 3: Since he three to sixty. ESPN fifteen thirty catching up

2030
01:45:39,360 --> 01:45:43,599
Speaker 3: on stuff that I wasn't able to get to yesterday

2031
01:45:43,880 --> 01:45:52,400
Speaker 3: with the Flacco news. And the other terrible news was

2032
01:45:52,680 --> 01:45:57,680
Speaker 3: Andrew Whitworth on the Pat McAfee show yesterday or two

2033
01:45:57,760 --> 01:45:59,519
Speaker 3: days ago, or however many days ago.

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Speaker 2: It was.

2035
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Speaker 3: They were playing a game to figure out how ass

2036
01:46:02,400 --> 01:46:06,800
Speaker 3: a team is, and the Bengals got brought up about

2037
01:46:06,840 --> 01:46:10,360
Speaker 3: how ass are the Bengals. Well, here's how the former

2038
01:46:10,400 --> 01:46:12,599
Speaker 3: Bengal Andrew Whitworth answered that question.

2039
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Speaker 19: I'm gonna go somewhat ass just because they don't have

2040
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Speaker 19: Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 3: That's fair.

2042
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Speaker 19: But I will say this, You could go watch the

2043
01:46:19,280 --> 01:46:21,439
Speaker 19: last three plays of the game against the Cleveland Browns

2044
01:46:21,479 --> 01:46:23,479
Speaker 19: in four minute offense where they're trying to secure the game.

2045
01:46:23,680 --> 01:46:27,000
Speaker 19: Those three snaps are maybe the worst three snaps I've

2046
01:46:27,000 --> 01:46:29,120
Speaker 19: ever seen a physical football from an offensive line of

2047
01:46:29,200 --> 01:46:31,240
Speaker 19: trying to win out a game. The entire offensive line

2048
01:46:31,280 --> 01:46:33,559
Speaker 19: is moving backwards those three snaps and the running backs

2049
01:46:33,600 --> 01:46:36,080
Speaker 19: getting hit as he's taken handoffs. That told me that

2050
01:46:36,160 --> 01:46:37,600
Speaker 19: if we don't have Joe Burrow and we got to

2051
01:46:37,680 --> 01:46:39,280
Speaker 19: rely on running the football, we got a lot of

2052
01:46:39,320 --> 01:46:41,360
Speaker 19: freaking issues. And I think that's what you see, is

2053
01:46:41,400 --> 01:46:43,080
Speaker 19: this all on Jake Brownie to do something. And I

2054
01:46:43,120 --> 01:46:44,320
Speaker 19: don't think Jake Browning's built.

2055
01:46:45,160 --> 01:46:50,800
Speaker 3: That's Andrew Whitworth talking about the Bengals offense and yeah,

2056
01:46:51,200 --> 01:46:56,400
Speaker 3: that pretty much sums it up right, And to me,

2057
01:46:56,600 --> 01:46:59,360
Speaker 3: I have said it many times. I know I sound

2058
01:46:59,439 --> 01:47:02,640
Speaker 3: like a broken record. There is a lack of physicality

2059
01:47:02,760 --> 01:47:05,679
Speaker 3: up front and there is an inability to run the ball.

2060
01:47:06,840 --> 01:47:11,680
Speaker 3: And the physicality thing is it's an attitude like you

2061
01:47:11,840 --> 01:47:13,280
Speaker 3: have to have that. It has to be a part

2062
01:47:13,320 --> 01:47:16,320
Speaker 3: of your attitude, a part of your mentality. And I

2063
01:47:16,400 --> 01:47:18,880
Speaker 3: think part of what Scott Peters tries to teach with

2064
01:47:19,000 --> 01:47:22,439
Speaker 3: the strike technique is more about finesse and more about

2065
01:47:24,640 --> 01:47:28,320
Speaker 3: I don't know, UFC type of fighting when sometimes you

2066
01:47:28,400 --> 01:47:30,240
Speaker 3: got to get your pad levels low, get your hands

2067
01:47:30,240 --> 01:47:34,639
Speaker 3: on somebody and control them. And I'm not gonna sit

2068
01:47:34,680 --> 01:47:37,400
Speaker 3: here and pretend to be an expert on the strike technique.

2069
01:47:38,040 --> 01:47:41,519
Speaker 3: Very few people are. But there seems to be an

2070
01:47:41,560 --> 01:47:44,280
Speaker 3: offense and an offensive line going in the wrong direction,

2071
01:47:44,560 --> 01:47:52,120
Speaker 3: both physically and figuratively. I don't understand. Whitworth was also

2072
01:47:52,320 --> 01:47:55,679
Speaker 3: asked about the Bengals offensive line in the second cut

2073
01:47:55,760 --> 01:47:57,479
Speaker 3: that I have and Drew. I might be springing this

2074
01:47:57,560 --> 01:48:01,559
Speaker 3: on you, but the second cut from Andrew, Whitworth talked

2075
01:48:01,560 --> 01:48:05,559
Speaker 3: about where the Bengals should be spending more of their money.

2076
01:48:07,160 --> 01:48:08,479
Speaker 19: You know, I would like to see him spend it

2077
01:48:08,520 --> 01:48:10,040
Speaker 19: in the offensive line room. That's where I think they

2078
01:48:10,040 --> 01:48:11,040
Speaker 19: should spend a little more money.

2079
01:48:11,080 --> 01:48:12,040
Speaker 21: Hey, I've tried, though.

2080
01:48:12,040 --> 01:48:14,560
Speaker 12: We had a graphic last week about them drafting and

2081
01:48:14,760 --> 01:48:16,040
Speaker 12: spending money and it just for something.

2082
01:48:16,080 --> 01:48:17,759
Speaker 19: We've been terrible at it. So that's the problem.

2083
01:48:17,880 --> 01:48:18,479
Speaker 3: So that is the thing.

2084
01:48:18,560 --> 01:48:19,720
Speaker 7: You get the wrong guys, wrong group.

2085
01:48:19,760 --> 01:48:23,000
Speaker 19: What is since twenty eleven that they've drafted an offensive

2086
01:48:23,040 --> 01:48:25,160
Speaker 19: lineman and he's signed a second contract. I want you

2087
01:48:25,200 --> 01:48:28,040
Speaker 19: to think about that. Fourteen years since they've drafted an

2088
01:48:28,040 --> 01:48:30,280
Speaker 19: old lineman and he's actually signed a second contract.

2089
01:48:30,400 --> 01:48:31,880
Speaker 7: Is it scheme building evaluation?

2090
01:48:32,120 --> 01:48:33,840
Speaker 19: I think it's evaluation if you look at it. I'm

2091
01:48:33,920 --> 01:48:36,519
Speaker 19: gonna throwing myself in the mix. Twenty eleven, since they

2092
01:48:36,600 --> 01:48:38,280
Speaker 19: drafted a guy and he resigned a contract, and they've

2093
01:48:38,320 --> 01:48:40,760
Speaker 19: let Kevin Zeitler and myself walk in free agency. So

2094
01:48:41,000 --> 01:48:43,599
Speaker 19: if you can't draft an offensive lineman and then you've

2095
01:48:43,680 --> 01:48:45,840
Speaker 19: let guys leave who continue to go elsewhere and win,

2096
01:48:46,200 --> 01:48:49,320
Speaker 19: you clearly have an evaluation problem of the priority of

2097
01:48:49,360 --> 01:48:49,799
Speaker 19: the position.

2098
01:48:50,240 --> 01:48:52,800
Speaker 3: That's great stuff from Andrew Whitworth, and it's good to

2099
01:48:52,920 --> 01:48:55,720
Speaker 3: hear it straight from the horse's mouth, like this is

2100
01:48:55,760 --> 01:48:58,040
Speaker 3: a dude who is a perfect example. And there are

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01:48:58,160 --> 01:49:01,519
Speaker 3: several about how you have ruggled with offensive lineman. You've

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01:49:01,560 --> 01:49:04,080
Speaker 3: gone through a bunch of offensive line coaches, You've not

2103
01:49:04,160 --> 01:49:07,519
Speaker 3: been able to draft them. All of it is an issue,

2104
01:49:08,120 --> 01:49:09,960
Speaker 3: and all of it is part of the reason why

2105
01:49:10,000 --> 01:49:12,439
Speaker 3: you can't run the football. And you just had to

2106
01:49:12,520 --> 01:49:15,880
Speaker 3: trade for a forty year old Joe Flacco because you

2107
01:49:16,040 --> 01:49:21,080
Speaker 3: couldn't protect your franchise quarterback. At what point does Duke

2108
01:49:21,200 --> 01:49:23,600
Speaker 3: Tobin wake up in the middle of the night with

2109
01:49:23,760 --> 01:49:28,759
Speaker 3: a in a cold sweat, thinking, why aren't I protecting

2110
01:49:28,840 --> 01:49:33,040
Speaker 3: my quarterbacks? How can I get better at the offensive

2111
01:49:33,080 --> 01:49:37,000
Speaker 3: line and evalue any of the offensive line. At some point,

2112
01:49:37,120 --> 01:49:40,200
Speaker 3: something's got to change, and they have tried, but it

2113
01:49:40,320 --> 01:49:44,240
Speaker 3: doesn't work. So you got to keep searching for solutions.

2114
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Speaker 3: We'll take a break, We'll come back. Quick Hits is

2115
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Speaker 3: next on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 18: From the schmid Heating Temp Sincy three sixty continues on

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Speaker 18: ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati's sports station.

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Speaker 3: It's time for since he Quick Hits. We are looking

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01:50:04,360 --> 01:50:07,519
Speaker 3: for Mo and we found him. Hello, Mo, how's it going?

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Speaker 7: You know what?

2121
01:50:08,120 --> 01:50:10,600
Speaker 3: It's not great? No, it's not great. I want to

2122
01:50:10,640 --> 01:50:11,840
Speaker 3: be honest with you. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Not an awesome day. No, not an awesome couple of days. No,

2124
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Speaker 6: you're looking for Moo.

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01:50:20,080 --> 01:50:23,960
Speaker 3: I'm looking for What do you want to talk about?

2126
01:50:24,080 --> 01:50:26,880
Speaker 3: I mean we talked a little bit about on your yesterday.

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01:50:27,000 --> 01:50:30,400
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well let's start with your show this afternoon.

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Speaker 6: I don't think there's a total appreciation for what the Bengals,

2129
01:50:34,080 --> 01:50:37,080
Speaker 6: the point the Bengals got to when they decided to

2130
01:50:37,200 --> 01:50:39,400
Speaker 6: call and trade for Joe Flacco.

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Speaker 3: What do you mean by that?

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Speaker 6: Do you understand this franchise, which values continuity more than

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Speaker 6: anything else, just asked a quarterback to show up on

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Speaker 6: Tuesday and start a game, not in December, not like hey,

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01:50:53,439 --> 01:50:56,080
Speaker 6: we're playing out the string, but start a game where

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Speaker 6: they feel like it can turn around their season.

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Speaker 3: On Sunday. Yeah, is there a full appreciation for what

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01:51:03,000 --> 01:51:05,479
Speaker 3: this I don't think there is doing. I'm not sure

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01:51:05,520 --> 01:51:08,280
Speaker 3: there is. Yeah, how much of that do you think?

2140
01:51:09,320 --> 01:51:11,400
Speaker 3: I've talked about this before because I know it to

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01:51:11,520 --> 01:51:15,600
Speaker 3: be true. There is a care. The people in that

2142
01:51:15,720 --> 01:51:20,120
Speaker 3: building care more than they ever have about the outside perspective. Yeah.

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01:51:20,760 --> 01:51:23,320
Speaker 3: How much of that do you think plays into a

2144
01:51:23,360 --> 01:51:26,880
Speaker 3: decision like that? And are those two worlds beginning to

2145
01:51:27,040 --> 01:51:31,240
Speaker 3: collide when it comes to football and the external opinion.

2146
01:51:32,360 --> 01:51:33,800
Speaker 3: I think that's a really good question.

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Speaker 6: I don't think they traded for Joe Flacco because they

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Speaker 6: heard the outside noise. I don't think they're that, you know, quick,

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Speaker 6: trigger happy, whatever it is.

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Speaker 3: I think.

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Speaker 6: They watched Jake Browning play and went, Okay, we got

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Speaker 6: to come up with something else. But I do think

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01:51:49,960 --> 01:51:56,879
Speaker 6: they are more prone to adjusting to the public's temperature

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01:51:56,920 --> 01:51:58,560
Speaker 6: than ever before. And I think you've seen that with

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Speaker 6: a lot of non football stuff. Right, that's the Ring

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01:52:01,040 --> 01:52:06,800
Speaker 6: of Honor, Yeah, that's some of that stuff. But yeah,

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Speaker 6: they're aware of everything that is said and is written.

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Speaker 6: I didn't think that was the case twenty five years ago, right,

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Speaker 6: Like I think there was a blissful unawareness to what

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Speaker 6: was being said and written. Now, I think they're very

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Speaker 6: sensitive to it, and not so sensitive that they'll make

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Speaker 6: critical decisions based on what is said and what is written,

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01:52:25,840 --> 01:52:27,640
Speaker 6: but they're aware of the temperature.

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Speaker 3: Of the fan base.

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Speaker 6: What do you have coming up on your show today?

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Speaker 6: We're going to talk about Tony Pike like I did too. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: I wish I was sitting here staring at him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, me too. No offense, No, no offense whatsoever. This

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01:52:45,040 --> 01:52:46,840
Speaker 3: is weird. I'm not gonna lie to you. Yeah it is.

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Speaker 3: It is strange.

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Speaker 6: We're going to talk about Tony at the top of

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Speaker 6: the show. You know, you did a very good job

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Speaker 6: of outlining, you know, how you felt. And I would

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Speaker 6: be irresponsible if I didn't spend time at the top

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Speaker 6: of our show talking about Tony and what he's meant

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01:53:00,840 --> 01:53:03,800
Speaker 6: to us here, what he's meant to you, what he's

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Speaker 6: meant to mean and uh and and so we're gonna spend.

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Speaker 3: Some time on that.

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Speaker 6: I don't know that we're done talking about Joe Flacco.

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Speaker 6: We have not yet discussed, at least on my show.

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Speaker 6: What was outlined for the Reds offseason by Nick Caral

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Speaker 6: and Brad Metter.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I just went over that a little bit. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and my takeaway was, we'll try again next year. It

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01:53:27,479 --> 01:53:28,559
Speaker 3: kind of felt that way.

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Speaker 6: I will, I will admit, but I think the hardest

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Speaker 6: I think the hardest step to take in sports is

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01:53:33,560 --> 01:53:36,720
Speaker 6: the one that goes from okay to really good. I

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01:53:36,960 --> 01:53:40,439
Speaker 6: you know, they've this, this franchise is in a better

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01:53:40,520 --> 01:53:43,360
Speaker 6: place than it was three years ago. I think that's undeniable.

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Speaker 3: There is a core.

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Speaker 6: I'm not sure the core is as big as it

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01:53:47,240 --> 01:53:50,439
Speaker 6: should be, and I'm not sure anybody has faith in

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01:53:50,600 --> 01:53:52,880
Speaker 6: them getting this to the next level. But I think

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01:53:52,960 --> 01:53:54,600
Speaker 6: that the lead they have to make now is the

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01:53:54,760 --> 01:53:57,080
Speaker 6: most difficult. How do you go from a team that's

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Speaker 6: in playoff contention to a team that's in champion and

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01:54:00,160 --> 01:54:04,160
Speaker 6: Chip contention on a regular basis. So we're gonna spend

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Speaker 6: some time on that amazing sports talk radio topic. What's

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01:54:07,360 --> 01:54:09,800
Speaker 6: the Have you ever gotten a speeding ticket? I haven't

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01:54:09,800 --> 01:54:12,240
Speaker 6: gotten one since two thousand and eight, but from from

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01:54:12,360 --> 01:54:15,280
Speaker 6: nineteen ninety five or four nineteen ninety four to two

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01:54:15,320 --> 01:54:17,639
Speaker 6: thousand and eight, I collected a lot of speeding tickets.

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01:54:17,760 --> 01:54:19,960
Speaker 3: Really yeah, what was the most you ever paid for

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01:54:20,000 --> 01:54:23,920
Speaker 3: a speeding ticket. Oh, probably like one ninety Okay, I

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01:54:23,960 --> 01:54:25,320
Speaker 3: was gonna say I had like one hundred and eighty

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01:54:25,360 --> 01:54:28,800
Speaker 3: dollars one one time. Yeah, Jerry Jones got fined two

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01:54:28,840 --> 01:54:33,600
Speaker 3: hundred fifty thousand dollars for flipping the bird to Jerry Jones.

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Speaker 3: That's twenty five cents. But is that not the funniest

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Speaker 3: like ridiculous fine ever? Two hundred and fifty thousand dollars

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01:54:42,360 --> 01:54:44,320
Speaker 3: And then Jerry said I meant to give him a

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Speaker 3: thumbs up.

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Speaker 6: That's the that's the part to me, he should get

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01:54:47,720 --> 01:54:50,480
Speaker 6: fined again for that crap a love Yeah, like wait,

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01:54:50,560 --> 01:54:52,680
Speaker 6: oh wait, you were okay, you should be fine for

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01:54:52,840 --> 01:54:56,200
Speaker 6: not knowing the difference between your finger and your thumb. Yeah, uh,

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Speaker 6: I get it. You can't have owners of teams flipping

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01:54:59,200 --> 01:55:02,400
Speaker 6: off the customers. Not a good look. But the fine

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01:55:02,520 --> 01:55:06,160
Speaker 6: does seem to be, Like, what is the most excessive

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01:55:06,240 --> 01:55:08,920
Speaker 6: fine anybody has gotten for like injuring a player on.

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Speaker 3: A football field? It's a good question. Yeah, what's the

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Speaker 3: most I don't know, it's probably in the fifties I

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Speaker 3: would get like.

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Speaker 6: You and I'm not talking like they got suspended in

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01:55:18,200 --> 01:55:20,920
Speaker 6: miss game checks like fine that a player god for

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Speaker 6: putting another player in physical harms way, and Jerry Jones

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01:55:25,560 --> 01:55:28,160
Speaker 6: got fined quarter of a mill for chucking the bird?

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01:55:28,760 --> 01:55:31,800
Speaker 6: Is that the most expensive finger flip? I remember the

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01:55:31,960 --> 01:55:34,560
Speaker 6: fall time the Panthers owner was throwing ice on people.

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Speaker 6: Jerry no Tepper, Tepper, David Tepper, David Tepper.

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01:55:38,840 --> 01:55:41,040
Speaker 3: So that's right. Didn't he go into a restaurant and

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01:55:41,120 --> 01:55:42,840
Speaker 3: he was mad that they took the hat off of

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01:55:42,920 --> 01:55:45,720
Speaker 3: some guy's head. Yeah, they're trying to establish dominant sandwich

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01:55:45,800 --> 01:55:48,160
Speaker 3: board or something that said like David Tepper's a clown

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01:55:48,240 --> 01:55:49,680
Speaker 3: or something, yeah, something along those.

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Speaker 14: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Did he get fined for that? I think he did.

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Speaker 3: I know he got fined for the throwing the ice

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Speaker 3: on somebody thing. Has Mike Brown ever been fined That's

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Speaker 3: a great question, And if he has, we probably wouldn't

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01:56:00,680 --> 01:56:02,720
Speaker 3: know it. I mean, the guest Mike Brown doesn't just

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01:56:02,880 --> 01:56:06,240
Speaker 3: flip off people. It would be funny if like that

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01:56:06,440 --> 01:56:09,960
Speaker 3: was his thing though, like that was his little inside joke,

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01:56:12,800 --> 01:56:15,000
Speaker 3: Like he walks in every day and just flips Zach

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Speaker 3: the bird and they know, like that's their their boys,

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01:56:18,080 --> 01:56:18,720
Speaker 3: Like they're funny.

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01:56:18,960 --> 01:56:21,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I I know for a fact, you know,

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01:56:21,920 --> 01:56:24,320
Speaker 6: sitting where he sits in his suite, especially at road

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01:56:24,360 --> 01:56:26,360
Speaker 6: games where they can't control it. They're then fans who

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Speaker 6: have flipped him off. I've never seen any report of

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Speaker 6: Mike Brown reciprocated Jerry Jones. Did you watch the Netflix

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01:56:32,920 --> 01:56:37,360
Speaker 6: thing on the if you for me, if like, that's

2253
01:56:37,400 --> 01:56:39,120
Speaker 6: your era of football you grew up in. It was

2254
01:56:39,240 --> 01:56:40,400
Speaker 6: is really good, really well done.

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Speaker 3: I came away from it appreciating Jerry Jones a little

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Speaker 3: bit more, A little bit, yeah, but understanding that I

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01:56:49,640 --> 01:56:52,240
Speaker 3: think he felt like the mission was accomplished after they

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01:56:52,280 --> 01:56:54,600
Speaker 3: won the Super Bowls. Yeah, and now he started turning

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01:56:54,640 --> 01:56:58,800
Speaker 3: a profit and he did change from winner trying.

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Speaker 6: To win to make money. So there were two things

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01:57:02,160 --> 01:57:05,600
Speaker 6: I walked away from. I didn't realize that Barry Switzer

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Speaker 6: was as beloved by those players as he is. And

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01:57:09,440 --> 01:57:14,040
Speaker 6: I didn't remember the depths of Michael Irvin's off field trump. Yeah,

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01:57:14,120 --> 01:57:16,360
Speaker 6: like I knew he was in, you know, doing the

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01:57:16,400 --> 01:57:18,600
Speaker 6: wrong things, so to speak. I didn't know they were

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01:57:18,600 --> 01:57:21,040
Speaker 6: as called the White House. They called it, well, I

2267
01:57:21,360 --> 01:57:23,680
Speaker 6: knew about that. I didn't know that this cop decided

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01:57:23,720 --> 01:57:25,960
Speaker 6: to put a hit out on him. It's on Netflix.

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Speaker 6: Six parts. I think, yeah, maybe awesome, Like you're a

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01:57:30,680 --> 01:57:32,400
Speaker 6: little bit younger than me, but if like you grew

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01:57:32,560 --> 01:57:35,320
Speaker 6: up hating the Cowboys because of their teams in the nineties,

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01:57:36,120 --> 01:57:38,920
Speaker 6: it's really really good and also a reminder of how

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Speaker 6: good Skip Bayless was before he lost his mind on television.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 6: It's interesting Paul Doherty talks about that because he knew

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Speaker 6: him as a writer and I knew him when you

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01:57:47,840 --> 01:57:49,880
Speaker 6: would hear him. He was like the go to guy

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01:57:49,960 --> 01:57:51,920
Speaker 6: to go on national radio shows to talk about the

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Speaker 6: Cowboys and he was excellent. Yeah, and if you ever,

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01:57:54,600 --> 01:57:57,040
Speaker 6: like go to newspapers dot com and read his old columns,

2281
01:57:57,240 --> 01:58:00,360
Speaker 6: awesome and then decided to go on TV become a

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01:58:00,400 --> 01:58:02,680
Speaker 6: cartoon character, and by the way it worked out for him,

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01:58:02,720 --> 01:58:06,520
Speaker 6: you did. But like on that show talking about the

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01:58:06,640 --> 01:58:09,960
Speaker 6: Cowboys covering them, it's terrific. Yeah, it's really one of

2285
01:58:10,000 --> 01:58:12,840
Speaker 6: the better, more well done sports docs you've ever seen.

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Speaker 3: Without a doubt, that's Moegger. He's coming up next from

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Speaker 3: three to six. After that'll be Dan Horden Dave Lapham

2288
01:58:18,520 --> 01:58:21,960
Speaker 3: for the Bengals Game Plan Show. I am out until

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01:58:22,120 --> 01:58:25,640
Speaker 3: next Tuesday. Green Bay Baby going to Green Bay to

2290
01:58:25,720 --> 01:58:29,360
Speaker 3: watch Joe Flacco and the Bengals for you, Chad Brindle.

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