WEBVTT - 12-11-25 Bill Cunningham Show 0:00:07.840 --> 0:00:10.320 Bill hunting in the Great American Of course, I get 0:00:10.320 --> 0:00:14.280 a hundred, sometimes thousands of emails a day from various sources. 0:00:14.320 --> 0:00:17.040 That one stowed out like a sore thumb. When I 0:00:17.079 --> 0:00:20.880 hear the name of Trumpy and an email, it perks 0:00:20.960 --> 0:00:23.599 me up and I pay attention. So a few days ago, 0:00:24.200 --> 0:00:28.080 a young man named Jackson Trumpy sent me an email 0:00:28.240 --> 0:00:32.239 about living in OTR and what happens in OTR and 0:00:32.280 --> 0:00:35.360 he doesn't get a whole bunch of concern from the 0:00:35.560 --> 0:00:38.120 city of Cincinnati because of what's happening in and around 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:42.120 Saint Francis Seraph Ministries on the Republic Street right off 0:00:42.200 --> 0:00:44.800 Liberty in the north end of OTR. And as you 0:00:44.880 --> 0:00:47.880 know as a listener, I've driven by that area frequently, 0:00:48.200 --> 0:00:50.000 and I've pointed out on the air and off the 0:00:50.000 --> 0:00:52.760 air that things don't look good there. That is not 0:00:52.960 --> 0:00:56.360 kind to have homeless individuals living on the streets, is 0:00:56.400 --> 0:01:00.000 not kind. To have people that are hungry in sis 0:01:00.960 --> 0:01:03.320 doing things in garbage cans, is not right. To have 0:01:03.360 --> 0:01:06.800 the mentally ill living on the streets. And so when 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:09.200 this email was sent to me by a young man, 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:12.760 twenty six year old Jackson Trumpy, I read it and 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:14.600 it goes on to say, I've been a resident of 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:18.319 Northern OTR, north of Finley Market for eight months now. 0:01:18.720 --> 0:01:21.120 I chose to move downtown because I believe in the 0:01:21.160 --> 0:01:25.440 fun urban atmosphere revitalization happening in OTR. I don't want 0:01:25.480 --> 0:01:26.959 to be part of the future. However, I want to 0:01:26.959 --> 0:01:30.720 bring a serious and ongoing public safety threat, in public 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:34.640 decency and quality of life to Cincinnatians in general, and 0:01:34.920 --> 0:01:37.759 Jackson Trumpy. I can say this welcome for the first 0:01:37.840 --> 0:01:40.679 time to the Bill Cunningham Show and Jackson. First of 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:43.240 all me I say that those of us who knew him, 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:46.520 those of us who worked with your grandpa Bob Trumpy, 0:01:47.000 --> 0:01:49.480 have his memories with us often because he taught us 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:52.000 so much about radio. And as I said to you 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:54.840 off the air, that when he left this earth a 0:01:54.880 --> 0:01:58.240 few months ago, he left a hole in broadcasting, also 0:01:58.280 --> 0:02:00.880 a hole in your family. I would ask you, first 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:04.200 of all, what was your relationship with your grandpa Bob Trumpy, 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:06.240 the Great Number eighty four? And how much do you 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:08.600 miss him? 0:02:09.160 --> 0:02:10.880 Yeah, thanks for having me on the show. 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:14.400 It's an honor to be here. Yeah, our whole family 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:17.959 misses him a whole lot. We were very close with him. 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:22.640 We lived not far away. He lived in Glendale, Ohio, 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:27.480 so we visited him quite frequently growing up. 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:29.040 He used to come to all my games. 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:32.320 He would never miss a sports game for myself or 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:36.160 my sisters. And I really appreciate the kind words that 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:39.560 you and your colleague said on seven hundred. 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:40.360 We were all listening. 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:42.960 Well, thank you, Jackson. I spoke to him a few 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:45.760 months before his death. It was about a collateral matter. 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:50.919 And his exterior was hard as Chinese calculus, but inside 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:53.359 you the heart the size of the state of Texas. 0:02:53.840 --> 0:02:56.560 And he created sports talk. He did Olympics, he did 0:02:56.560 --> 0:03:00.680 the Masters, he did the Major League Baseball, football, basket boxing. 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:05.280 He was a great broadcaster, recognized he's in the NFL. 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:08.600 It got the Peter Roselle Award, for God's sakes, and 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:12.960 I followed him for something like ten to fifteen years 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:16.000 on this radio station. I learned radio more from him 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:19.160 than from anyone else. So whatever success I've had for 0:03:19.240 --> 0:03:23.000 the past gosh forty three years, the foundation of that 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:27.000 success was listening and watching your grandpa, Bob Trumpy. Now 0:03:27.080 --> 0:03:30.960 let's get onto your column. You talk about the core. 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:35.800 The problem is large daily congregations of persons around Saint Francis. Sarah, 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:38.440 explain why you sent me this and explain what you 0:03:38.680 --> 0:03:39.440 have observed. 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:45.200 Yeah, well, before I start, I just want to say 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:49.920 that I do think Saint Francis Sarah, mynasteries is doing 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:52.600 a really good deed and helping those who are in 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:56.360 need and cheating hundreds of meals today approximately three point 0:03:56.360 --> 0:03:59.320 fifty from what I was been told, to those who 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:04.080 are struggling with homelessness. It helps create a small measure 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:06.960 of stability in some of these people's lives who pretty 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:11.360 much face constant uncertainty. And I don't really think that 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:16.760 this is of fault of Saint Francis, but the whole 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:19.560 issue I think kind of stems around where this is 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:25.719 where their site is located here since living in OTR 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:30.440 and as you said, when you pass this area on 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:34.440 Republic Street, you can look north up Republic Street and 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:39.040 there are anywhere from fifty to one hundred people that 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:42.599 are just in that alley kind of set up. There 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:46.240 is just trash everywhere, and there's been a lot of 0:04:46.279 --> 0:04:52.440 crime within this one block area. And I just think 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:57.919 with the amount of growth and economic development that the 0:04:58.080 --> 0:05:00.120 city is trying to put in the Northern. 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:03.640 I believe the location of this. 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:09.760 Dude pantry is directly hindering the progress of. 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:13.440 That So Jackson Trumpet, you'd almost call it a failure 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:18.800 of compassion. And we need drug treatment facilities, we need 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:23.479 alcohol treatment facilities, we need insanity assistance people with mental 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:27.800 health problems. And it's not kind, it's not understanding. It's 0:05:27.839 --> 0:05:30.920 not helpful to have people living on the streets, that 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:34.239 have people fornicating on the streets, to have people using 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:37.880 drugs on the streets, to have the negative impact on 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:42.600 residents like you and workers and visitors, and Northern OTR 0:05:42.720 --> 0:05:45.599 is directly affected by the location of this homeless and 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:48.960 food kitchen. So your idea is to provide those services, 0:05:49.240 --> 0:05:51.960 but not necessarily in an area in which there are 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:54.880 many businesses and people living, correct. 0:05:56.800 --> 0:06:00.480 Right, I mean where the site is located in the 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:05.200 heart of revitalization zone that the city and like three 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:11.440 CDC are working to bring back to life. However, the 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:17.000 crime that goes on around this food pantry is uh, 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:21.159 it's it's pretty shocking to say the least. I can 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:25.080 recall at least three homicides this year, the latest being 0:06:25.640 --> 0:06:28.520 on August sixth, twenty twenty five, when a woman was 0:06:28.640 --> 0:06:31.680 struck in the head by bullet. I went onto the 0:06:31.720 --> 0:06:35.840 city's website and I actually looked at the crime that's for. 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:37.159 This singular block. 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:39.560 Some of the things that I've seen. 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:41.560 They don't show you all the crimes, but they do 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:45.279 list the Uh, there's been six shootings, three of them 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:48.360 have been fatal. The other three people were hit and 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:53.200 no one, no one died. There's been a total of 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:58.560 thirty five different theft reports and for total offenses reported 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:03.880 within that area is over eighty and that's just within 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:08.640 the singular block of Republic Street and Liberty Street. 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:12.000 So as you can look up for yourself. 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:15.840 On the city website, there is a ton of crime 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:20.640 and law enforcement assets being sent there all the time. 0:07:21.160 --> 0:07:24.120 And I would assume Jackson Trumpy that the police have 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:29.440 told me they're told not to interfere when crimes are 0:07:29.440 --> 0:07:32.720 being committed because the city doesn't want it to be 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:35.520 in They went the statistics to prove one thing. If 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:40.360 you seen in uniform scout patrol cars, police in uniform 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:43.920 driving by and ignoring this while it's going on. 0:07:46.800 --> 0:07:48.760 Yeah, I mean, I definitely have. 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:54.960 I'm sure that they're aware of what's going on down there. Again, 0:07:55.040 --> 0:07:59.240 I don't really think it's St. Francis's fault that this 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:01.280 is going on, but I think what they're doing is 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:04.760 really good, and as human beings, we have a moral 0:08:04.800 --> 0:08:07.600 responsibility to help those in need and help them get 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:11.360 back on their feet to live a more positive life. 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:15.400 But I just wanted to bring this. 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:20.600 Kind of whole thing and shed some light on it 0:08:20.640 --> 0:08:24.320 because I think myself and a lot of other people 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:27.080 that are living in the area notice kind of what's 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:30.720 going on there on a daily basis, and I know 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:35.280 that people do not feel comfortable walking around that area. 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:37.280 Just because of all the crime. 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:42.280 There's just widespread trash, people sleeping in doorways, is I mean, 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:46.560 aggressive panhandling, open drug use. If you drive by there 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:49.600 and kind of look down that alley, it's not uncommon 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:54.200 that you'll see someone doing the typical zombie lean where 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:57.400 they're kind of just blumped over like they just did 0:08:57.440 --> 0:09:04.240 something and it's not a good look. And for the 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:07.440 whole growth of the city and the whole initiative for 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:12.960 them to get economic growth into Northern OTR, it's just 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:17.360 directly hindering that process. Since I moved in in April. 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:24.520 There have been very nice renovated storefronts all around this area, 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:29.680 and I can't recall any of them being leased like 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:32.760 they are all still vacant. No, a lot of the 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:34.120 apartment buildings are. 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:38.000 They have a lot of rooms left. 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:42.760 And I believe that this problem right here is directly 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:43.599 correlated to that. 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:47.800 Yeah, your email to met talks about sexual intercourse in 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:51.520 the middle of Republic. Street officers and business owners have 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:54.839 told me that women and men engage in sexual acts 0:09:54.840 --> 0:10:00.000 in public on a regular basis. It's simply what occurs. 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:05.120 Shot victims and also open air drug use, aggressive harassment, 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:09.440 widespread litter, and it's been going on for years and years. 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:12.640 I had on a business owner Privy Bar is a 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:17.680 few blocks over and they had seven people shot outside 0:10:17.679 --> 0:10:20.400 the Privy Bar in the month of November. But we're 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:22.800 told by the mayor, who by the way, has left 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:24.880 town at this point in others that things are better. 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:29.439 Your email says to me, Jackson Trumpy, you emailed have 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:34.520 to have pureval the city manager, Jean Michelle Kearney, Cca 0:10:35.400 --> 0:10:38.160 an Albi Victoria Parks. When you get a hold of 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:41.679 them for this widespread and you talk about crimes being 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:45.040 committed every day, there's dozens and dozens or more crimes 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:47.240 being committed, but they don't go on the on the 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:50.520 on the blotder because no one's arrested. The police just 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:53.880 ignore the crime. Therefore, crime is down by some categories. 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:57.160 But when you contact the city officials as the grandson 0:10:57.240 --> 0:11:02.880 of Bob Trumpy, what respond once do you get of any? 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:07.800 I mean, they basically just acknowledged my concern. They told 0:11:07.840 --> 0:11:12.120 me that the ministry is a longstanding, privately owned nonprofit 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:16.520 that's been there since the seventies. It is privately owned 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:20.880 and they cannot legally force the organization to do anything. 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:23.439 They told me that they would reach. 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:27.480 Out to Paint Transis and address the illegal behavior and 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:31.880 contacts and tell them to contact POLEPS when necessary. They 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:34.880 also told me that my email had been forwarded to 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:40.200 the CPD District one Neighborhood Liaison Sergeant right and once 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:43.480 he got that email, he would respond to me with 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:46.559 information on how they're going to make the situation better 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:50.360 and resolve it. I have not heard anything, which is 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:52.319 kind of why I wanted to reach out. 0:11:52.160 --> 0:11:53.319 To you, because. 0:11:55.160 --> 0:11:59.480 I just think this issue needs to be addressed, and 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:03.000 as a young person living downtown in OTR. 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:03.760 I feel like. 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:07.240 We need our voices to be heard as well. 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:11.199 One might ask why did you agree to move? Why 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:15.440 did you go to OTR, Because I assume you know 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:17.839 ahead of time, before you moved there, about seven months ago, 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:20.880 that what you'd be facing, what was your motivation and 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:24.040 putting yourself in that environment, then complaining about it, what's 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:26.480 your motivation and going there in the first place. 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:32.240 Well, I have a decent amount of friends that live downtown. 0:12:32.760 --> 0:12:35.839 It's a really fun it's a really fun area. You 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:39.040 have all the action there. You have the Bangles, the Reds, 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:43.960 the FCC. There is a lot of development going on downtown. 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:47.120 I also work in Kentucky, so I had to move 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:50.640 somewhere that I could be closer to work. My previous 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:53.560 drive to work was almost an hour there and back 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:58.000 every day. But you can ride the street car to 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:02.400 get anywhere. There's a ton of really good restaurants and 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:08.920 local festivals and street fairs and many other activities to do, 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:13.640 and it's just a fun environment. However, I think that 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:16.720 we have this problem just like all other cities do. 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:19.480 I just think that we need to be better out 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:20.280 of dressing it. 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:23.720 A friend of mine who works with Saint Francis, Serah 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:26.120 said they used to open the doors of the church 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:30.880 to allow people inside the church itself. The Franciscans run it, 0:13:30.880 --> 0:13:33.839 but it got so bad inside the church, those who 0:13:33.960 --> 0:13:38.200 run the ministry Saint Francis said, we can't do this anymore. 0:13:38.600 --> 0:13:41.320 There was a urination on floors, on pews, there were 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:45.719 sexual acts committed inside the church itself, that there were 0:13:45.800 --> 0:13:49.000 drug use inside the church. It got so bad after 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:50.880 months and months and months of putting up with it, 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:53.520 they locked the doors. And while it's true the city 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:56.600 can't control what happens inside of a church. It can 0:13:56.720 --> 0:14:00.880 control what happens on Republic, It can't control what happens 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:05.520 on Liberty. That's their direct responsibility. Saint Francis does not 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:09.560 control Republic Street, and they have these activities from fifty 0:14:09.559 --> 0:14:13.760 to one hundred people happening daily. Is a city problem 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:16.880 that the county's trying to address. But it's the city 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:20.320 police that are being told don't do anything, because the 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:24.320 cops say, if we start arresting people in and around 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:28.400 Saint Francis, Sarah and OTR, it doesn't do any good 0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:31.560 because they arrest them, put them in the jail, they're 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:34.800 released immediately, they don't show up for court. Then a 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:38.120 warrants issued to cape Is for their arrest. Then they're arrested, 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:40.520 sent back to the jail. Then you go to judge 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:43.280 and the judges say, they've been arrested two hundred times. 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:45.800 Nothing we can do. Put them back on the street. 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:48.160 It used to be and the good old days. You 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:51.480 might recall we had Longview State Mental Hospital. In fact, 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:54.000 when I was in the Attorney General's office, i represented 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:58.480 the state to put people with profound mental difficulties or 0:14:58.600 --> 0:15:01.320 drug or alcoholic use. In law, you state mental hospital 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:04.320 until they dried out or until they got their lives together. 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:07.360 There was about seven hundred and fifty people a Longview 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:10.480 State Mental Hospital. That's where those persons were in the 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:14.640 nineteen forties, fifties, sixties, and seventies. That's the solution is 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:18.840 still arresting them, the cops will tell you makes no difference. 0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:22.600 What difference They go back to Republic Street and keep 0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:25.320 using drugs. You've got to put them in an environment 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:28.040 where they can't leave, in which they have to get better, 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:30.280 and if they don't get better, then they don't leave. 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:33.720 Does that make sense to you? 0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:36.960 Oh, yeah, I totally agree with what you said. There's 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:40.040 a lot of stuff that I see downtown that you know, 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:44.400 probably people in other cities always see as well, but 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:47.880 when you see it in person through itself, it's pretty 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:52.720 shocking the first time. But yeah, Saint Francis, I know 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:59.440 they can't control the individuals that are outside, even I 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:02.160 know they were on many of their services and they 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:04.520 do a great deed, and I'm not suggesting that we 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:07.920 take that away in any form or kind of like 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:13.120 kick them out, But I just there's too much that 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:15.320 goes on in this area, in the center of this 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:19.240 redevelopment district, and there's a lot that the city is 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:22.800 trying to do, but they're but they're really just hindering 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:27.920 themselves with this site being in the center of Northern 0:16:27.960 --> 0:16:32.680 OTR and just having this this constant like fifty to 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:37.320 one hundred plus people roaming around constantly, and you know, 0:16:39.200 --> 0:16:41.760 just making some people feel uncomfortable. 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:45.600 I bet have you thought about Jackson Trumpy? Have you 0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:47.840 thought about leaving and saying I can't do it anymore? 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:49.680 Are you willing to stay with it for a little 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:50.160 bit longer? 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:55.880 No, I'm I'm not considering leaving I'm not to that 0:16:55.960 --> 0:17:00.160 point yet, but I mean, who knows, We're all be 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:03.120 in a year, but no, I am not to that 0:17:03.160 --> 0:17:04.080 point yet. 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:07.119 All right, Jackson Trumpy, once again, your father, your grandfather, 0:17:07.240 --> 0:17:10.160 is held in high esteem, and may his memory bring 0:17:10.200 --> 0:17:12.840 you comfort. And Jackson Trump, I'm glad you got a 0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:15.600 hold of me. I'm glad I think your grandpa would 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:19.000 be happy with a kind of grandson that your mom 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:21.960 and dad and he helped develop. And whenever you want 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:23.919 to have further contact with the big One, you get 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:26.840 a hold of me, and I'll do my best to 0:17:26.840 --> 0:17:29.320 get the message out. And the adults have got to 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:32.520 take adult responsibilities for these kinds of things. I mean, 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:36.480 maybe not pay criminals eight point two million dollars. Maybe 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:39.359 it's better to use that money to reinstitute a in 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:42.760 house facility that you can't leave until you're better, and 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:44.960 if you don't get better, you can't leave. A few 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:47.800 hundred cannot kill the life of one, hundreds of thousands 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:50.720 of people. Jackson Trumpy, once again, thanks for coming on 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:53.640 the Bill Cunningham Show, and Merry Christmas to you and yours. 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:57.120 Thank you, Jackson, thank you, I appreciate it. 0:17:57.200 --> 0:18:01.080 God bless America. Let's continue with more it. The city 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:05.159 will spend eight point two million dollars paying criminal serious money, 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:08.680 but they won't solve the problems that their policies have created. 0:18:09.320 --> 0:18:13.600 Bill Cunningham, News Radio seven hundreds WLW. You know, I 0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:17.120 think the Trumpster, I mean my good friend and yours, 0:18:17.160 --> 0:18:20.240 Bob Trump, he would be very proud of Jackson, and 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:22.600 he took it on. He went there. He sent me 0:18:22.640 --> 0:18:26.000 some more information about what happens daily. Let me give 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:28.840 you a little bit of insight. When I speak to captains, 0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:31.119 I speak to those in law enforcement, they tell me, 0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:36.280 arresting these five hundred to one thousand homeless individuals that 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:41.200 have profound mental issues, drug addiction issues, alcoholism issues, it 0:18:41.440 --> 0:18:44.920 is rather ridiculous. He goes to arrest them, put them 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:47.679 in the justice center. You might hold him overnight, go 0:18:47.760 --> 0:18:49.760 in front of a judge, and room ay at nine 0:18:49.800 --> 0:18:52.840 o'clock the next morning. Whether the released or not doesn't 0:18:52.880 --> 0:18:55.399 make any difference to them. They're happy to be in 0:18:55.440 --> 0:18:58.600 the justice center. Three squares and a cot not a 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:01.640 bad deal. And and most of the time the judges 0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:05.439 don't keep them and they release them. Give him an 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:08.800 O R bond for vagrancy or trespass or drug use 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:12.080 or a prostitution, whatever it is. They give him a 0:19:12.080 --> 0:19:14.600 trial date a month or two in advance, and they 0:19:14.600 --> 0:19:16.840 don't show up for the trial date, so there's more 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:20.000 warrants out for the arrest. And then the next time 0:19:20.040 --> 0:19:21.800 they're picked up on something else, there's a bunch of 0:19:21.880 --> 0:19:25.280 Capey says on them. So the judge and roommate says, okay, 0:19:25.640 --> 0:19:29.080 Riley London. I represented Riley London for years in the 0:19:29.080 --> 0:19:31.800 Public Devendor's office. At one point he had four hundred 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:34.919 arrest So I asked Riley London. At some point, Riley, 0:19:34.920 --> 0:19:37.119 how come you keep getting arrested? He says, It's what 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:39.960 I do. If it's cold, I don't want to go 0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:43.240 in the shelters because I don't like living there. So 0:19:43.359 --> 0:19:45.280 what I do is do something to get arrested. I 0:19:45.320 --> 0:19:47.840 go into the justice center until it warms up a 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:49.719 little bit that I come out. I don't show up. 0:19:49.760 --> 0:19:53.159 I don't care whether I get arrested or not. So 0:19:54.400 --> 0:20:00.240 homelessness is caused by insanity, drug use, alcoholism, and ever 0:20:00.280 --> 0:20:02.560 in behavior. In the good old days, by the way, 0:20:02.640 --> 0:20:05.800 we had Longview State Mental Hospital, in which case if 0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:09.159 you had profound mental difficulties. You were locked away for 0:20:09.200 --> 0:20:11.560 a while until you were restored to sanity out of 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:16.040 public site in Roseline and Longview State Mental Hospital had 0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:18.399 a family member there named Uncle Bob that I used 0:20:18.440 --> 0:20:21.080 to visit as a kid, and I told my mom, Mom, 0:20:21.080 --> 0:20:23.119 I don't want to come here anymore. She said, you 0:20:23.200 --> 0:20:25.639 have to see uncle Bob. And I said, well, you know, 0:20:25.720 --> 0:20:28.120 I was like seven, eight, nine, ten years old. I said, okay, 0:20:28.200 --> 0:20:30.760 but then I quit. Go on, and if you weren't, 0:20:30.800 --> 0:20:34.280 if you weren't, if you were not restored to sanity 0:20:34.320 --> 0:20:36.800 at some point, you were not released. There were some 0:20:36.960 --> 0:20:40.280 there for years, So you have to take care of 0:20:40.320 --> 0:20:43.000 those individuals. They will not take care of themselves, and 0:20:43.040 --> 0:20:45.080 they don't want to go to homeless shelters. This is 0:20:45.119 --> 0:20:47.359 a lifestyle that they enjoy and they keep doing it 0:20:47.800 --> 0:20:51.520 and it's not going to change. So it won't change 0:20:51.560 --> 0:20:54.080 until the system changes, and those in charge of the 0:20:54.119 --> 0:20:57.960 system don't want it to change. I've said to vivig Ramaswaming, 0:20:58.359 --> 0:21:02.040 we need seven or eight real mental hospitals to individuals 0:21:02.400 --> 0:21:05.000 that refuse to get medical care, they refuse to get 0:21:05.280 --> 0:21:08.480 a mental assistance, they have profound drug problems that take 0:21:08.520 --> 0:21:11.360 them out of society, put them in a clean environment 0:21:11.440 --> 0:21:14.560 and keep them there until they're restored to sanity, until 0:21:14.560 --> 0:21:17.520 they're restored to sobriety, and if not, they don't get out. 0:21:17.680 --> 0:21:19.520 And if they get out and do it again, they 0:21:19.600 --> 0:21:23.080 go back to the mental hospital, big fence around it 0:21:23.720 --> 0:21:26.600 and keep them there. Either that or it's a failure 0:21:26.680 --> 0:21:29.440 of kindness to have them on the city streets. And 0:21:29.560 --> 0:21:33.359 Saint Francis Seraph is a prime example. When it gets cold, 0:21:33.720 --> 0:21:35.760 they'll find a reason to go into the justice center 0:21:35.880 --> 0:21:38.560 or into a homeless shelter temporarily, like over the next 0:21:38.600 --> 0:21:41.240 three or four days. They'll be less when the weather's nice, 0:21:41.560 --> 0:21:45.280 and it's a lifestyle choice that tears down society by 0:21:45.359 --> 0:21:49.480 having them present, committing crimes and engaging in aborant criminal behavior. 0:21:49.880 --> 0:21:53.560 Arresting these individuals is worthless. It doesn't make any difference. 0:21:54.240 --> 0:21:56.920 The system is not going to send them to a 0:21:57.920 --> 0:22:02.359 state penal colony like Mansfield for many years. That's not 0:22:02.480 --> 0:22:05.360 going to happen, and so they simply shuffle in and out, 0:22:05.440 --> 0:22:07.240 and that's how they live their life until they die, 0:22:07.720 --> 0:22:10.320 generally in their fifties or sixties. Every now and then 0:22:10.359 --> 0:22:12.560 I look up a Riley London type and say, his 0:22:12.720 --> 0:22:15.159 arrest total might be a thousand at this point, and 0:22:15.240 --> 0:22:17.200 it doesn't make any difference. If you and I got 0:22:17.280 --> 0:22:22.199 arrested five times, ten times, about five hundred times at 0:22:22.280 --> 0:22:24.560 some point, it doesn't make any difference. So the cops 0:22:24.640 --> 0:22:27.080 hands are tied. The system will not put them in 0:22:27.119 --> 0:22:30.000 a mental hospital. They go back to the street, commit 0:22:30.080 --> 0:22:33.240 their crimes and then live their life on the street, 0:22:34.000 --> 0:22:37.760 and they're taken care of by the criminal justice system 0:22:37.960 --> 0:22:42.280 in a sense, but not really. And secondly, this is 0:22:42.359 --> 0:22:45.720 for those who think about Somalis in Minnesota. The Health 0:22:45.760 --> 0:22:49.720 and Human Services issued a report that in nineteen ninety, 0:22:50.119 --> 0:22:53.359 which wasn't exactly the dark Ages, there were no Somalis 0:22:53.440 --> 0:22:56.200 living anywhere in the country. Over the past ten years, 0:22:56.240 --> 0:23:00.240 the numbers accelerated to about one hundred thousand in Minneapolis. Loan. 0:23:01.080 --> 0:23:04.000 It shows that about eighty one percent of Minnesota households 0:23:04.240 --> 0:23:09.960 headed by Somali refugees are on either welfare, cash welfare 0:23:10.720 --> 0:23:16.600 or SNAP and or Medicaid and or autism relief. Give 0:23:16.640 --> 0:23:19.600 you the numbers. Twenty one percent of regular Minnesota's are 0:23:19.640 --> 0:23:22.760 in one former welfare and the land of the Somali, 0:23:22.840 --> 0:23:25.320 it's eighty one percent, and it gets a little bit worse, 0:23:25.359 --> 0:23:28.640 if it can get worse. Eighty nine percent of Somali 0:23:28.720 --> 0:23:31.960