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Speaker 1: Brigham mccow, It's great to have you in studio. Oh

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Speaker 2: Now, Hello, good to see you.

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Speaker 1: We got like twelve microphones in here. He's just trying

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Speaker 2: It looks like NASA in here, Brian.

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Speaker 1: It does. Yeah. I like the old studios much better.

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Speaker 1: Brigham forecast for Global Energy demand. What I keep seeing

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's just boiling it down to his basic turns. Brigham.

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Speaker 1: Looks like we're finally going to get something that will

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Speaker 1: Until now global warming showed up, until global warming or whatever.

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Speaker 1: See Charge Conversations. That's the name of the podcast for

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Speaker 1: my guest here in studio, Brigham Account. We've had it

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Speaker 1: Brigha account. Cop thirty We had like five gajillion people

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Speaker 1: It's all of the above strategy. Yeah, they do it all.

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Speaker 1: Why don't we get ahead of that? I mean, this

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Speaker 1: and h bring them. You said you have another comment

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Speaker 1: about COP thirty before we move on. Obviously thirty meaning

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Speaker 1: they've been at this for thirty years.

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Speaker 2: we we've been doing this three decades, thirty plus years,

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Speaker 2: each one of these tries to pay over different paper,

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Speaker 2: they're on record, Yeah you got you gotta pay me,

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Speaker 2: you gotta pay me.

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Speaker 1: They want to triple the amount for climate transition issues

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Speaker 1: in their respective third world countries. That means building stuff

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Speaker 1: They want us to show to the burden of it.

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Speaker 1: Nothing has anything to do with global warming or climate

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Speaker 1: change or sea level rises, which apparently aren't really happening.

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Speaker 1: It's just they've used this vehicle as a mechanism to

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Speaker 2: It is a wealth redistribution for sure, and you know

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Speaker 2: it'll do nothing to reduce hydrocarbon demand. Yet you know,

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Speaker 2: everyone lines up every year for the big party. As

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Speaker 2: you've pointed, out and with the developing country saying, hey,

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Speaker 2: we'd like more emphasis this year on getting off coal. Sorry,

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Speaker 2: and news flash, twenty twenty five, we will have used

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Speaker 2: more coal this year than any other year in record,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, at least the folks in eastern Kentucky can

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Speaker 2: And by the way, we have a really neat new

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Speaker 2: it's developing something that emits zero emissions from coal.

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Speaker 1: No kidding. Yeah, it comes at a large expense though

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Speaker 1: These things are one size fits all, like putting legos together.

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Speaker 2: twenty gigawats, forty gigawatts, one hundred gigawatts, you just plug

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Speaker 2: permitting everything else. And by the way, the US government

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Speaker 1: Now does that make sense to you?

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Speaker 2: You know, it's the fastest thing that's available because it's there,

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Speaker 2: Oh no, sorry, building something new, building something new, right.

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Speaker 1: I thought Westinghouse already had these things ready to go,

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Speaker 2: Well they do, but frankly, we need permitting reform.

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Speaker 1: That's see, that's the problem. It's not the availability of

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Speaker 2: and so we don't build anything, which is just completely backwards, right.

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Speaker 1: Right, I mean, well, China keeps moving forward.

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Speaker 1: No, they don't, They just do it. Yeah, it's maybe

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Speaker 1: a reflection of the failed system of government we have here, Brigham.

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Speaker 2: Well, and if I may real quickly, I did a

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Speaker 1: Well, there's another reason to find Brigha McGown Charged Conversations

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks Brian, and happy Thanksgiving right.

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Speaker 1: Back at you, man. I hope you really enjoy understand

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