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Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand.

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Speaker 2: Lynette, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. Hi, Hi, How

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Speaker 2: can I help.

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Speaker 3: You in a situation at our church? At the rumor

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Speaker 3: that something that the pastor has done, something less than late,

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Speaker 3: less than legal.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, My person isn't so much.

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Speaker 3: With him, it's more with the church body, the elders,

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Speaker 3: the people that have been on the boards the how

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Speaker 3: it should be handled. They are jumping ship, you know, leaving,

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Speaker 3: going away. Is that a better way to handle it

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Speaker 3: than to stay there and to confront the situation and

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Speaker 3: to sit down and deal with it. Or by them leaving,

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Speaker 3: do they feel like they're protecting the people that know

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Speaker 3: nothing about it and not hurting their spirituality and pulling

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Speaker 3: them away from the church.

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Speaker 2: Or what kind of illegality are we talking about?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's really just a rumor. Nothing's been proven, but

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Speaker 3: it doesn't look good. It would be like an insurance fraud.

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Speaker 2: Okay. Well, if it's just a rumor, then it's nothing.

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Speaker 2: It's nothing until it's something, right, So if it's something,

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Speaker 2: then then the church body, absolutely, in the higher ups

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Speaker 2: and the structure there have every right and should go

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Speaker 2: and investigate to see if it is true, and hold

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Speaker 2: an investigation. And it should be known that there are

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Speaker 2: people that are giving their money to that church and

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Speaker 2: believing in the structure of that church. And you can't

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Speaker 2: just leave. Now you're an accomplice if you're not telling

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Speaker 2: other people if there really is Put it this way,

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Speaker 2: if there was a fire in the church, you're just

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Speaker 2: gonna leave and not tell anybody else. And if they

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Speaker 2: get burned or if they smell smoke themselves, great, If

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Speaker 2: they don't, that's ridiculous. How very conscious pilot of everybody

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Speaker 2: to kind of wash their hands of it and then

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Speaker 2: move on. If there is something going on in that church,

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Speaker 2: one should investigate it. Go to the person with whom

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Speaker 2: they are concerned, say this is our concern and for

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Speaker 2: the purpose of structure and to keep order in this

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Speaker 2: house of God, we'd like all the paperwork, and we'd

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Speaker 2: like to figure this out and get to the bottom

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Speaker 2: of it so that we can move on. And if

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Speaker 2: it's shown that there's impropriety of any kind or something illegal,

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Speaker 2: then you bring in law enforcement and you let them

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Speaker 2: do their job and you take care of it.

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Speaker 3: What if they left, because it can't be proven. They

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Speaker 3: just feel but attle weird.

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Speaker 2: I mean they feel if it can't be proven, then

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Speaker 2: how do they.

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Speaker 3: Know because it looks really bad.

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Speaker 2: Well, the Bible says to be careful of the of

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Speaker 2: the appearance of evil, but still there should be some

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Speaker 2: evil there. It just looks really bad. Way the person

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Speaker 2: pulling up with brand new cars.

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Speaker 3: And stuff, or I guess this is a repeated tragedy

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Speaker 3: in this person's life. It happens over and over and

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Speaker 3: over again.

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Speaker 2: Their their wife keeps dying.

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Speaker 3: No, it has to do with fire, ah and.

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Speaker 2: Things keep burning down. And yes, well, I will tell

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Speaker 2: you that that insurance fraud is something that is. You know,

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Speaker 2: the law enforcement is up on that. It's it's harder

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Speaker 2: than one might think. It's not like in television where

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Speaker 2: people do it and think, oh, well, there's not going

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Speaker 2: to be any problem, and those things tend to tip

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Speaker 2: people off. I wouldn't be surprised if someone is being investigated. However,

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Speaker 2: just because it looks that way doesn't make it that way.

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Speaker 2: I mean people referred to me as it. What's that is?

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Speaker 2: I believe so if it affects the church, yes, if

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Speaker 2: it affects the church, if it's something in his private

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Speaker 2: life that doesn't affect the church, then no, it should

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Speaker 2: be done in private. Uh and and it should be

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Speaker 2: looked at. You know, you're not trying to shame someone.

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Speaker 2: But keep in mind I was called a drunkard and

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Speaker 2: a glutton. Do you think it was because I was

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Speaker 2: a drunkard and a glutton? No, No, it's because that's

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Speaker 2: what people perceived because of the people that I hung

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Speaker 2: out with. So sometimes there is an explanation that fills

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Speaker 2: in all the blanks. But if there is the if

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Speaker 2: enough people are saying that, that seems like there's you

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Speaker 2: know it's not the church that burned down, correct, Yes

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Speaker 2: it is the church. Yes, well if the if the

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Speaker 2: church keeps burning down, I'd be really curious as to

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Speaker 2: what you're doing in the church. That's a little strange

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Speaker 2: and what are they putting it under h vandalism or

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Speaker 2: No it was.

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Speaker 3: It was an accident. But I I've only been with

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Speaker 3: the church about a year. But I hear this is

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Speaker 3: probably the third fire that has been started at the church.

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Speaker 2: Well I would look into There could be many many

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Speaker 2: answers for that. However, I would say, yes, it's time

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Speaker 2: to bring this public and figure out what's going on, Martha?

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. Hi there, How can.

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Speaker 1: I help you?

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Speaker 4: Well? I was interested in the Bible had anything to

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Speaker 4: say about reincarnation and you know what happens with your soul.

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Speaker 4: And I've sort of been reading about past life regressions

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Speaker 4: and how they do therapy on you and find out

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Speaker 4: what you did in the previous life and how it

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Speaker 4: affects your current life and stuff like that, and just

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Speaker 4: sort of curious about it.

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Speaker 2: Well, on this program, whereof the mindset that a lot

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Speaker 2: of those things are to take your mind away from

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Speaker 2: this life and what does matter? Obviously there's no strength

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Speaker 2: or evidence for past life regression. And it's also interesting,

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Speaker 2: don't you think that people that go back in their

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Speaker 2: past lives always were someone special or important? And it

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Speaker 2: maybe points to the fact that people are looking for something,

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Speaker 2: and I think they're looking for something in this life.

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Speaker 2: As far as scripture, there's no room for reincarnation. It

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Speaker 2: doesn't play into the Christian narrative at all. You've got

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Speaker 2: Hebrews chapter nine, verse twenty seven, saying and inasmuch as

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Speaker 2: it is appointed for men to die once and after

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Speaker 2: this comes the judgment. Also Tewod Corinthians five to eight

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Speaker 2: says to be absent from the body has to be

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Speaker 2: present with the Lord. There's no real opportunity for reincarnation

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Speaker 2: in Christianity, nor is it necessary, because it's about redemption

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Speaker 2: and not about recycling. It's not about somehow the cleansing

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Speaker 2: through many lives. It's about cleansing yourself in this life

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Speaker 2: through the redemption and the sacrifice on the cross. So

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Speaker 2: that becomes the important part of scripture and the focus

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Speaker 2: of Christianity as a whole. And to add reincarnation doesn't

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Speaker 2: make sense. Plus, the concept of karma doesn't make sense

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Speaker 2: to scripture either, in the way that it is put

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Speaker 2: forth in Eastern belief systems doesn't really tie in. So

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Speaker 2: they're very very different. Christianity and reincarnation don't mix.

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Speaker 4: In other words, well, i'd ever have never noticed it

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Speaker 4: either during my you know, my studies, but I don't know.

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Speaker 4: It's just something that's called and.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's appealing. I can see why it's appealing. It's

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Speaker 2: kind of like that, you know, the kid's concept of

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Speaker 2: really it's not about getting it right after a bunch

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Speaker 2: And don't you find it strange? Imagine this for a second,

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Speaker 2: and I'll leave you with this that in order to

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Speaker 2: then be taught the new thing and have them side

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Speaker 2: by side. As a comparison, if you have to go

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Speaker 2: to a therapist and go through the past life regression

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Speaker 2: to find out what you did wrong and who you

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Speaker 2: were to find out who you are now, it's unproductive.

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Speaker 2: The best way is to do something wrong and be

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Speaker 2: corrected now to understand, not have to go and tear

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Speaker 2: it all apart so you can rebuild it again. Sue,

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.

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Speaker 5: Yes, Hi, I was just wondering. I have some new

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Speaker 5: neighbors that are spousing a religion that is based on

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Speaker 5: the teachings of Watchmen me and Witness Flee, and I

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Speaker 5: was just wondering what you're what you know about that?

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Speaker 2: Well, I will tell you that there is in the

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Speaker 2: apologetic community, and the apologetic community is the community of

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Speaker 2: Christians that make defense for Christianity and defend Christianity. There's

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Speaker 2: a lot of concern in eyebrow raising about the particular

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Speaker 2: particular sects that have been growing off off of Watchman Knee.

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Speaker 2: So it depends on who you talk to. I would

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Speaker 2: certainly recommend studying more. But there are concerns about interpretation

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Speaker 2: of scripture, misplaced authority, that a man can be authoritative

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Speaker 2: over scripture, meaning that a man is even more important

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Speaker 2: not accountable to outside you know, other outside sources, whether

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Speaker 2: it be other people in the church or things like that,

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Speaker 2: as well as other concerns theologically throughout some of the teachings.

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Speaker 2: So there are those that would put it certainly in

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Speaker 2: the category of a non Christian cult. But having said that,

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Speaker 2: it is one of those things that is not always

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Speaker 2: as clear to find and should be studied, especially if

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Speaker 2: you have people around you that are studying or part

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Speaker 2: of that. But there's definitely question marks hovering around it.

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Speaker 2: Were there anything that that was said to you or

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Speaker 2: that made you raise an eyebrow?

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Speaker 5: Not particularly, I mean, it was just part of it.

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Speaker 5: I could appreciate the fact that they were She was

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Speaker 5: saying that there was the church should be one, I mean,

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Speaker 5: and that everybody's a Christian, and that's sometimes the denominations

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Speaker 2: And well, sure that's an but they're not saying they're

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Speaker 2: joining someone else's denomination. They're telling you to join theirs.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so in.

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Speaker 2: A sense, that's not so much about bringing unity as

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Speaker 2: it is for everybody to follow what they're teaching.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's well based on what I studied. I mean,

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Speaker 5: she didn't go into that. She just basically was saying

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Speaker 5: There shouldn't be denominations because that's this divisive and stuff

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but there were freedoms. You can see throughout scripture

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Speaker 2: if you read the epistles. The epistles are to different churches,

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Speaker 2: the Church of Thessalonika, Church of Ephesus, these are all

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Speaker 2: you know, Phesians, Thessalonians. These are all writings to different churches,

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Speaker 2: and you can see that the churches did have some

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Speaker 2: differences at times. Not to mention in scripture, there are

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Speaker 2: times where even disciples did not agree, and I never

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Speaker 2: So there were times where there were denominational differences, even

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Speaker 2: but it's not about the core stuff. The core of

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Speaker 2: Christianity is what's important. Who they I am. All these

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Speaker 2: The rest denominational differences are okay. We get questions about

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Speaker 2: good bad? Or you know that it's a cult, or

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Speaker 2: what have you. Scripture is very big on discernment Luke

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Speaker 2: twelve fifty sys and says, why don't you judge for

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Speaker 2: yourself what is right? Josea for six as my people

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Speaker 2: are destroyed for lack of knowledge over and over. One

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Speaker 2: of our favorites that we talk about all the time

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Speaker 2: on the show Firs Thessalonians five twenty one. Test all things,

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Speaker 2: hold fast to that which is true, which is good,

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Speaker 2: and having discernment is an important tool. It should be

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Speaker 2: the main tool of your believer's arsenal. You should be

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Speaker 2: able to to look into your tech bag, as it were,

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Speaker 2: and to judge the things around you and understand them

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. Hello, Hi, how can

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Speaker 1: Del Oh? Wow, it's you alrighty. I was a member

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Speaker 1: Okay, So does that mean that it's okay sin and

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Speaker 2: then your heart is not in the In this state

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Speaker 2: of of the redemption of the Cross. To begin with,

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Speaker 2: you're kind of just doing your own thing. But if

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Speaker 2: you're constantly seeking to better yourself, you're you're what my

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Speaker 2: producer Neil calls a whip, a work in progress. That's normal,

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Speaker 2: that's the way God works. You're in that you're you're

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Speaker 2: trying to get better each day, focusing on the things

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Speaker 2: of God, purifying yourself through scripture and the blood on

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Speaker 2: the cross, and focusing on God's will and not yours.

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Speaker 2: And that's a process and it takes time. But if

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Speaker 2: you're going in the other direction, oh Heaven help you.

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Speaker 4: Kfi Am six on demand