1 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: Welcome back. You're listening to That's Garden with Scott Berlin. 2 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: That's me. I'm here with Mark Wessel and we're going 3 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: to wrap up some favorite plants right now because there's 4 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: a lot going on in the garden now and plants 5 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: that deserve mentioned. It's just that way. Speaking of deserving mention. 6 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 1: I don't think I mentioned this to you, but I 7 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: got an invitation to the Taylor Swift Travis Kelsey naturally. Yeah, 8 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: apparently they're big fans of the show and they sent 9 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: something out and then there. 10 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:04,319 Speaker 2: It's probably tough, but they're probably listening right now. 11 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, Bed, they're right, they're just listening in 12 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: bed together. Well, they might not be together because this 13 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:13,759 Speaker 1: is their wedding day, you know. I don't know how 14 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: that works. 15 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 3: Oh, today's their wedding day. 16 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, today, Madison Square Gardens are supposed to be there. 17 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: But my commitment to the show is so great. Okay, anyway, 18 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: some more plants. Scutul Area in Canada. This is one 19 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: most people don't know. It has an awful, awful common name, 20 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 1: hory h o a r y hory skull cap. No 21 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:41,839 Speaker 1: one's going to buy that planted. It needs a name change. 22 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: But it's a great native perennial blooming right now. It's 23 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: in this sage family, I think, and it has a 24 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: beautiful blue flower in the middle of summer like well 25 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: yeah now now, and and a great seat heead afterwards 26 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: it just grows well. I think it's mostly deer proof 27 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: and a really good one for pollinators. So this one 28 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 1: people should seek out if they can find it. 29 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's nice. I have one that's finishing up blooming. 30 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 2: And then that I guess that genus has been burdened 31 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 2: with odd names, because then there's mad dog skull cap. 32 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: Well, skull cap in the beginning. 33 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 3: I mean, well, it has that skull cap. The thing 34 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 3: looks like a skull cap. 35 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: I don't like the words skull skeleton. I don't like 36 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: bony references. It just reminds me of my own more 37 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: mortality a little bit. Yeah, Verona Castro and for Verginicum 38 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: Culver's route. 39 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:41,679 Speaker 3: Yeah. 40 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: Another nice, nice tall native, really beautiful spiky flowers right now. 41 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: There's a variety, I think only one that I know 42 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 1: of called fascination. Good one, good grower. 43 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 3: I like it. 44 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 2: It's one of those that the Europeans, you know, how 45 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 2: they've love a lot of our natives. Yeah, I saw 46 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 2: that a lot over in Holland. 47 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: Really, Yeah, it's in the Germans and Dutch in particular 48 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,239 Speaker 1: seem to have really latched onto a lot of great 49 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: American plants and you know, make them popular, bring them 50 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: down the size, sometimes find good cultivars, send them back over, 51 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: send them back over and charges twice the price. Also 52 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: right now, not in bloom, but my Viburnum plicatum tomatosum 53 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: double file viburnum shasta is just alive with fruit that 54 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: It's a beautiful red fruit that turns the black in 55 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: rows right down the entire stem. 56 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 2: That's showy, a nice orientation, branches and fruit, very horizontal, 57 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 2: very horizontal. 58 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, and a pretty tough plant. 59 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. 60 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 2: And it's one of those plants that often gets misplaced 61 00:03:56,320 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 2: in the landscape and then and then you, yeah, you 62 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 2: have to do things to it that. 63 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, people try to bull it up and it just 64 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: it's much better the room. Yeah it does you have 65 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: anything left? 66 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 3: Oh? 67 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 2: Well, I did you want to talk about my favorite weed? 68 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: I was going to spring that on you, but I 69 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 1: I brought it up during the break. 70 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, what's your exact Like, we didn't even talk about it. 71 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: It's like weeds. Yeah, uh, sometimes there are very attractive plants, 72 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: you know. And I thought this week, hey, let's start 73 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: asking people what their favorite weed is right now? So 74 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 1: what is yours? 75 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 2: Well, there's two and it's on the edible because they're edible. 76 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 2: It's lamb's quarters, you know. It's just when it's fresh 77 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 2: and young. The tender tips. 78 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:42,840 Speaker 3: Are very good. 79 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 2: Cooked green I have an odd gritty texture if you 80 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 2: and then port Lac I mean personallyan versus a porti 81 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 2: Laca just so crunchy and a city and it's good. 82 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: Any of the weed port or purse lanes you can 83 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: just munch on. 84 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 2: Well, the purse lane that we know as a weed, 85 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 2: I don't there's other members. I don't know if you 86 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 2: can eat all purse lanes. But and then the Mexican 87 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 2: coworkers they just love it. And when at the research farm, 88 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 2: you know, newly tilled beds, we had a lot of it, 89 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 2: and they'd come and just collected by the garbage bake. 90 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 2: Do they cook it or just they do cook? They 91 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 2: cook it like in other climates or countries, often eaten 92 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 2: raw as a salad type thing. 93 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: I was going to mention a bachelor's button. I think 94 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: it is along the roadside, the scruffy looking weed, but 95 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:47,280 Speaker 1: the flowers are so beautiful, that blue so nice. Yeah, 96 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:49,799 Speaker 1: what's it? What's the other name for that bachelor's button? 97 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 1: And there's something else, chickory, wild chicken. 98 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 2: Those are two different out they're the same family, but 99 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 2: okay different. 100 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then I just want to mention a couple 101 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: of annuals and we'll get out of this. Dai mystic 102 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: illusion is just one we've always had great. I know 103 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: you guys love it at the same botanical garden and 104 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: it's on our Hall of Fame list. It's always always 105 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: a good performer. And that dark foliage and that big 106 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: yellow flower such a good match. Great plant, great plant. 107 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: And finally, Verbena bonariensis or tall verbina is maybe one 108 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 1: of the best pollinator plants ever. It's also a great 109 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: companion or pairing plant in the perennial beds. It just 110 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: sticks up through and words. 111 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 2: It doesn't demand, you know, not much foliage on it, really, no, just. 112 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, it kind of it's I think it's better if 113 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:47,359 Speaker 1: it's going up through other perennials and then you just 114 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 1: have the reasonably tall flower spike maybe to almost waist 115 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: high that's popping up. And talk about the pollinators. There 116 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: may be no better upon airplant than that. 117 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 3: It's right up the top least. 118 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 2: So was that around when you first started gardening? 119 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: No, uh huh. I don't recall that until ten years ago. 120 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: I mean people were obviously were growing up, but I 121 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: only became aware of it maybe ten years ago. Seem 122 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: to get popularized, and there are cultivars now that are shorter, 123 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: so maybe easier to work in some gardens. But the 124 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: tall one works pretty yeah. Yeah, and there you know, 125 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: it's a receding annual. Uh and it's going to revert 126 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: to the taller form if you let the seedlings grow. 127 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: You can always buy it new. And you know, but 128 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: I think the tall version's just fine. 129 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 3: I like it. 130 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:43,239 Speaker 1: A few tasks I thought of to get through real quick. 131 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: I edged my beds the other day. I've got a 132 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: really nice power edger. It's like a big flywheel that 133 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: cuts a really nice edge. And what a difference that 134 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: makes when you do that. You know, the grass was 135 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 1: spreading in, leaning over into the beds, that creeping Charlie 136 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,239 Speaker 1: was working its way in, and I just went along 137 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: and just gave it a nice clean edge and it 138 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: looks so much Wow. 139 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 2: Wow, maybe I can borrow your edge or metching isn't 140 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 2: one of my you know, strong suits. 141 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: It makes the job easy. It's heavy. It's a very 142 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: heavy tool, but you don't have to use it for 143 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 1: very long either. Stand type your tomatoes. Tie them up 144 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: and they're growing like weeds right now. 145 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 2: They are, and some diseases are starting to set in 146 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 2: their early blight. Yeah, maybe losing leaves at the bottom bottoms. 147 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, what can you do about that? 148 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 2: Well, they say you can cut them out, get rid 149 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 2: of them once you have it. I mean, you can 150 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 2: spray fungicides. 151 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: But yeah, huh. If you have one bad tomato plant 152 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: and the rest of yours all look great, do you 153 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 1: want to remove that bad one? 154 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 3: Absolutely? Okay, I have. I had to do that. 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At 209 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 2: the beginning of the year. I grow a lot of salvia's, 210 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 2: like the black and blue types in pots for the deck. 211 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 2: That's our hummingbird feeders. We don't put out feeders, and 212 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 2: they're just beautiful. And so we had one last year 213 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 2: and I got the pot out of the root seller 214 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 2: and just put it on the deck and I didn't 215 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:53,439 Speaker 2: do anything other than that. But I wish I would 216 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 2: have taken that out and kind of roughed it up, 217 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 2: put a little bit of new soil in, because now 218 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 2: it just it doesn't have the water holding capacity. You know, 219 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 2: when you're watering something so much, you do lose something. 220 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 2: It just doesn't hold water and there's not enough soil 221 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 2: in there, and I'm going to try to it's a 222 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 2: big plant. Now, I'm going to try to delicately get 223 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 2: it out of there, and. 224 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: Good luck with that. This is our great plants. It's 225 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 1: funny too. It's a very drought tolerant plant. But like 226 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 1: a lot of drought tolerant plants that are drought tolerant 227 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 1: in the ground just can't handle it in a pot 228 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: as well. It's very interesting. A lot of plants are 229 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: like that. 230 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. 231 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, give them perfect conditions and then they become these 232 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 2: prima donna fussy that's right. 233 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you get angry, frustrated, reasonful. If you haven't 234 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 1: multi by now, it's probably a good time to start 235 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 1: thinking about it. This is the time of year when 236 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 1: plants can really benefit from multima. 237 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 3: Yeah. I was multing yesterday. Yeah. 238 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 1: It's a hard job to do in the heat. And 239 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: speaking of that's my last task is if you ever 240 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: need an excuse to not work in the garden, this 241 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: heat is the excuse you need. It's it's unbearable, and 242 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: don't don't put yourself in a situation where you can 243 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: get hurt. 244 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I witnessed a heat related thing. Yeah, the 245 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 2: community garden lady. You know, I won't mention her name, 246 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 2: but she was she was working in her garden, said 247 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 2: she wasn't going to stay long. Well, she goes to 248 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 2: stand up and just collapses. And thankfully, you know, there 249 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 2: were a few of us down there. If she was 250 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 2: just like flopped in her garden and nobody was there, 251 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 2: who knows what would have happened. 252 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 1: Nothing good, right, something, You know, it just starts to 253 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: become very very scary at that point. Yeah, you imagine 254 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: you're passed out in the heat. 255 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 2: And I was feeling kind of you know, I had 256 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 2: been working for like three hours down there. 257 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 3: That's too long, and I. 258 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 2: Was feeling bad. But I felt better. Once she had 259 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 2: this episode, I'm. 260 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: Like, oh, well, adrenaline rush. 261 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, it kind of perked me up. 262 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. All right, where are we here. We finished our tasks. 263 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: Let's start talking about the fourth of July, and again 264 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: we want your calls. Anything related to Fourth of July 265 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: and gardening or plants and red, white and blue, those 266 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: kind of things. Give us a call. Eight hundred three 267 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: eighty two fifty five. I'll just start it out I 268 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: did a little bit of looking. I had this book 269 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: by Andrea wolf It. I forget what it's called. It's 270 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: about the Founding fathers who are all gardeners and or agriculturists, 271 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: and it's really interesting. I can't I could not find it. 272 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: I looked everywhere where around the house and just could 273 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: not find it. But anyway, I do recall from him 274 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: looking at that book that Thomas Jefferson, of course a 275 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: great horticulturists all across the board botanist. He had his 276 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 1: own You can go visit. Is it Monticello or Monticello? 277 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 2: I always say Monticello too, but I think. 278 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: It might be wrong. 279 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 3: Yeah. 280 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: Well, but anyway, he planted a lot of great trees 281 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: around his property, to the poplars I think are supposed 282 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 1: to be amazing. 283 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 3: Have you been there? 284 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 4: No? 285 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 3: I haven't. Oh, it's really cool. 286 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I really want to go. It's definitely on my list. 287 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 3: Right, it's up on a hill. Oh. 288 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: And apparently his vegetable garden is just unbelievable. 289 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 3: Too, right, right, and a big fruit grower too. 290 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: Okay, And that's the more easy area to grow some 291 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: fruit trees, at. 292 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 3: Least in the humidity. The further you go south. 293 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just there's more disease and insect pressure. 294 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: What what orchard crops did you have there? 295 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 2: Oh, lots of apples and you know, your general tree fruits, peaches. 296 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: I don't think the fruit quality mattered to them as 297 00:16:54,920 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: much as far as like my marks and spotting and no, 298 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: because they were using it for cider a lot. 299 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 2: A lot of It's interesting you bring that up because 300 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 2: he's associated with two apples in particularly the orange pippen or. 301 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 1: That's really okay. 302 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, he loved that apple and a Spitzenberg, both old, 303 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 2: old varieties, and but he loved them. They're great, both 304 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 2: of them, great apples, especially the former. But disease prone. 305 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, what were they do for disease at you know 306 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: in colonial times? 307 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:38,239 Speaker 2: I don't know what they did. If they sprayed some 308 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 2: heavy metal on it, I don't I'm not sure, but uh, 309 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 2: and and their needs were different, they were they liked 310 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 2: a good storage apple anymore, you know. Yeah, I store 311 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,199 Speaker 2: apples away, but most people don't think of, you know, 312 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 2: the long term. 313 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 3: Probably cooked a lot of them too, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 314 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: George Washington was a bit more of an agricultural kind 315 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: of girl. But very, very passionate about his his gardens, 316 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: and he had formal gardens, botanical hothouses, and the fruit orchard. 317 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:11,120 Speaker 3: Again. 318 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:19,640 Speaker 1: John Adams spent his retirement experimenting with innovative agricultural methods 319 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:23,439 Speaker 1: like maneuver composting and crop rotation in Massachusetts. 320 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, not a new thing. 321 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:28,640 Speaker 1: It's interesting how many of these founding fathers they were 322 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:36,120 Speaker 1: politicians second, you know, they were mark merchants or farmers 323 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: or something else first and sort of morphed into by necessity, 324 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: into sort of a political situation. 325 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, there weren't as many bribes and grafts and. 326 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: So much money, so much money in politics. In fact, 327 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 1: there was probably zero money in politics. I imagine a 328 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 1: lot of them took financial hits just to be a 329 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: founding father. James Matta once called the father of American environmentalism. 330 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 1: He also played with crop rotation and promoted a lot 331 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: of conservation ethics and interconnected nature or balance with nature. Visionary, 332 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 1: visionary and these people. 333 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. 334 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: Benjamin Franklin, you know, maybe the most visionary of the mall. 335 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: You know, renaissance man across the board, lifelong long promoter 336 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 1: of botany and agriculture. He actively exchanged seeds across the 337 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 1: Atlantic and is credited with soybean and rhubarb to the 338 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: American rhubarb. 339 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 3: Yeah wow yeah. 340 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: And of course he was good friends with John Bartram, 341 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:44,400 Speaker 1: after which John Bartram named the Franklinia. Oh yeah. And 342 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: Bartram of course had his garden home in Philadelphia, and 343 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:55,399 Speaker 1: he traveled around the Eastern US finding unique and cool 344 00:19:55,720 --> 00:20:00,679 Speaker 1: American plants to send to English gardeners who we're just 345 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 1: eating up anything new they could get from North America. 346 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: So that's all really cool stuff. You are listening to. 347 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:09,919 Speaker 1: That's Garden with Scott Berline. We'll be taking a break. 348 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: You can check out the podcast wherever podcasts are sourced, 349 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: so any show, including this one will be available to 350 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: listen to immediately after this one ends. 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Maybe I mean some might have that. 377 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 3: Look yeah kind of yeah, sure, which ones. 378 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 1: Reminder, Joe Boggs will be joining us at eight o'clock 379 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:17,160 Speaker 1: to talk about bugs and past insects, insects and diseases, 380 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 1: diseasey and things like that. But he's always he makes 381 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 1: it fun. 382 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 2: He's fun. 383 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 1: Got pretty amazing, pretty amazing. So we do want your calls. 384 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 1: Call us at eight hundred and eighty two, three eighty 385 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: two fifty five. Anything to do with the fourth of 386 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 1: July and plants, Mark, are you getting? It's always that 387 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 1: big deal. Get your first tomato by the fourth of July? 388 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 2: Do you have I will have a cherry tomato. Yeah, 389 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 2: I don't. There's no competition with me to get out. 390 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:45,439 Speaker 3: But I do have this. 391 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 2: One heirloom that last year. 392 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,200 Speaker 3: Was well before the fourth. 393 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 2: Oh really, and it's a very It's a small tomato. 394 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 2: It's called early Annie. Really delicious for an early tomato. 395 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: It better than Wessel's purple Pride. 396 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 2: No, no, that's a fine tomato. 397 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 3: Wessels Purple it is. 398 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,919 Speaker 2: But it's a darn good tomato early any But it 399 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 2: is so disease prone it's already half to foliate it 400 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:19,239 Speaker 2: by so by early blight I'll i'll soon, you know, 401 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 2: after the main season stuff comes in, I'll rip that 402 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 2: thing out and get it out there. 403 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: Where can people get Wessel's Purple Pride. 404 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 2: You have to go online and get seed. I don't 405 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 2: even have it this sea. Yeah, yeah, you don't even 406 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 2: have your own tomato. No. A friend of mine grows 407 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 2: tomatoes and I get plants from her, and we just 408 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 2: didn't connect this year. But it's being grown all over 409 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 2: the world. 410 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: Now, it's really cool. How did you find it? Tell 411 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 1: me that story. 412 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 3: It was. 413 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,400 Speaker 2: When I lived when I moved back to New Richmond, 414 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 2: I was renting this little house with great soil man. 415 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 2: It was at the bottom hill, but I had limited 416 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,439 Speaker 2: space at that time, and I was growing multiple tomatoes 417 00:24:58,480 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 2: in one cage. 418 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 4: Uh. 419 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 2: And I collected the seeds and grew this on the 420 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 2: following year, and I get all these you know, all 421 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 2: I got about twelve different types of tomatoes out of 422 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 2: this one. And it turns out it's a cross between 423 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 2: Cherokee purple and a sausage. An old heirloom my tomato 424 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:25,120 Speaker 2: growing thing grew and I selected Wessel's Purple Pride out 425 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 2: of it, which is it's a long taper has a 426 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 2: little point at the end. Yeah, it's super juicy, and 427 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,640 Speaker 2: because of the Cherokee purple, it has very thin skin. 428 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 2: You just look at it wrong and it breaks. 429 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 3: But it's just juicy sweet, And well. 430 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: How did you stabilize it into a seed stream? 431 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 2: You just grow it out several years like with itself. 432 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, and just right. 433 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 2: Because mostly tomatoes are self pollinating, you don't have to. Yeah, 434 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 2: that was a chance cross. But then there was another one, 435 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,639 Speaker 2: Meg's passionate pink that was even better. Really, it was 436 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 2: a light pink. 437 00:25:58,560 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 1: Meg is your wife. 438 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I fer minuted those seeds and then I 439 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,880 Speaker 2: forgot about them on top of the refrigerator and they 440 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 2: went a little long. 441 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 1: And you're still married. Yeah, amazing. Let's talk about red, 442 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:17,159 Speaker 1: white and blue plants. There are very very few plants 443 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: that have red, white and blue flowers. And I'm talking 444 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: like petunias, where you can get a blue variety or 445 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 1: red one and a white one. It's very rare to 446 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 1: find that, mostly because blue is such a rare color 447 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 1: for flowers. Yeah, so that's where I started looking. I 448 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 1: looked for a list of blue flowers, and then from 449 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,640 Speaker 1: there I was like, okay, that has a red one 450 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: and a white one too. So certain things you just 451 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,119 Speaker 1: for roses. For instance, they've been trying. You've got reds, 452 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: and you've got whites, and they've been trying for years 453 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 1: to get a blue and they just can't make it work. 454 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 1: So you're looking down the list of blue flowers, you 455 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 1: don't see roses. So it's easy to go from there. 456 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 1: It's sort of like my A sherlock Holm's moment. That's 457 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 1: exactly so. Anyway, like pansies are another one where you 458 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 1: can get red, whites. 459 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 3: And blues, reds. Okay, yeah, all right. 460 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,439 Speaker 1: Now that might be across a couple. Well, those are 461 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,640 Speaker 1: all hybrids, so you know they're bringing in colors from 462 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,119 Speaker 1: all over the place. But a few other things. 463 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:21,640 Speaker 3: I think. 464 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: Iris maybe maybe red is. 465 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 3: A problem challenge. 466 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 1: There's a rusty kind of orangey types, but a true 467 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 1: red I'm not sure. 468 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 2: Not a true red ye, not yet. I don't think 469 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:36,919 Speaker 2: some laboratory there's. 470 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, working on it, sending seeds up into space and 471 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,439 Speaker 1: bringing them back. And rosa Sharon, I think you can 472 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,239 Speaker 1: get red, whites and blues. There's red and not one 473 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,680 Speaker 1: of the may you are striking, I am man see 474 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: this is this is hard to do. There's not many 475 00:27:51,840 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 1: that have this. Danny's paying attention anyway, hydrange or macrophilla. 476 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 1: If you do all you need to do to make 477 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 1: a blue and then reds come easy and the whites 478 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 1: are there. 479 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 3: Okay, I'll give you that one. 480 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 2: But Leah, oh yeah, yeah, those red ones they're striking. 481 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:21,439 Speaker 1: They are striking. Yeah, clematis. Yeah, though that might be 482 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 1: across different species. Oh sure, yeah, yeah yeah, but yeah 483 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,719 Speaker 1: morning glories m M beautiful flower. 484 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 2: I like them in the roadsides and people. 485 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 1: They seed so badly. Years after you've stopped growing them 486 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 1: and letting them go to seed, they just keep coming 487 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: and coming. It's amazing how they just get into a 488 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 1: seed bank and stay there. Columbine, all right, is there 489 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: a red columbine? 490 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 3: You know? 491 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 2: I'd say some of that, like the Canadensis. 492 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 3: There's some redder one a little. 493 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: Bit red in there. What have you got you got 494 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: anything you're thinking of? 495 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 2: Well, there's you know, lobelia, you have red the cardinal flower, yeah, 496 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 2: blue Lobilia syphilitica. And then for white there's like pale 497 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 2: Indian plantain, and sometimes you get a white cardinal flower. 498 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, different species. Blue wind is of course 499 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 1: named Lobilia syphalitica because they thought it would cure syphilis. 500 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: I have found that it's never worked for me. I 501 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: always just have to go get a shot. 502 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 3: That's right. I know, you get kind of crazy after 503 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 3: that sets in for a while. 504 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: I would explain a lot, but unfortunately, or fortunately fortunately 505 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 1: I was just joking. 506 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 3: I have never ever had Let's move on, Yeah, let's 507 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 3: move on. 508 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: So yeah, going back to blue flowers, I looked a 509 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: little bit into it, and plants primarily rely on pigments 510 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: called anthrocyanins that create the colors. Is an amazing how 511 00:29:55,400 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: out of sunlight, water, and soil that plants can create 512 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: all these colors. I'm really intense and credible colors, A 513 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: full range. 514 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 2: Of colors nature in general is amazing. We don't even 515 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 2: know how amazing it is. 516 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 1: No, we're just scratching the surface. So anyway, these anthrocyonins 517 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 1: generally produce red, purple, and pink hues, and from that 518 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: they make the others, and so it's it's really rare 519 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 1: for blue to come about out of that process, but 520 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: when it does, it's really really nice. Some of my 521 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: favorite flowers are blue flowers. 522 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 3: Everybody loves the blue flowers. 523 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, Brenera, what is it called the Himalayan. 524 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 2: All the Himalayan poppies. 525 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 1: Poppies can I grow? Yeah, it's so beautiful. 526 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 2: I wonder if they're really as good as they all say. 527 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 1: They probably not. I'm assuming that because it makes me 528 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 1: feel better, because they just can't grow them. 529 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 2: They're probably only like an inch wide. 530 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 1: Motor shopping going on. But yeah, go figure, the plant 531 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: that grows in the Himalayas wouldn't do that great in Cincinnatian. 532 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 3: Just kind of weird, but. 533 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 1: Anyway, says to get blue blue hue, plants must alter 534 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 1: red anthrocyanins using specific enzymes, metal ions, and the exact 535 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 1: acidity of their cell fluid. If this delicate shift or 536 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 1: balance shifts, the flower defaults to purple or violet. 537 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 3: Oh man, so complex. 538 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just you know, and I'm trying to think. 539 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 1: You know, we know a lot of you know, hummingbirds 540 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 1: and pollinators are drawn on red flowers. 541 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 3: I and I. 542 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 1: Think that might be as much morphology the shape of 543 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 1: the flowers is the color. But offhand, I can't think 544 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 1: of any insect that's drawn specifically to blue flowers. I 545 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 1: could be wrong, but I to help you there. Yeah, we 546 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: are trying to make this red, white, and blue Fourth 547 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 1: of July themed segment. 548 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 3: There's blueberries, blueberries. 549 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 1: And RedBerry cranberries in the same that's the same genus. 550 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, same genus. Do they have white? There are 551 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 3: some white? Yeah. 552 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 2: I saw one last year. 553 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I had something else here. I'm trying to find 554 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 1: it real quick. 555 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 3: Well, while you find it. One. 556 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 2: I love the annual lobilia's. They're just especially when other 557 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 2: people grow them. 558 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: Well yeah, yeah, well they like it cooler, I guess 559 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 1: I do. 560 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, when you go north, they look better better. 561 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, And they look fine in the spring and then 562 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: again in the fall. They just kind of have a 563 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 1: period in the summer where they struggle a little bit. 564 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 3: But yeah, those are beautiful plants. They are. 565 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. I looked up famous plants of the American Revolution 566 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 1: and there are some that are pretty cool. The Liberty Tree, 567 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 1: the moment most famous tree of the Revolution, is a 568 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 1: big elm in Boston where the Sons of Liberty gathered 569 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 1: to protest the Stamp Act and organized resistance. 570 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 3: So that's still there. 571 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 1: I don't think it is. It was an elm. Oh 572 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 1: other colonies had their own liberty trees, such as the 573 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 1: famous tula popular at Saint John's College in Annapolis. Is 574 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: pretty common for a tree to be sort of a 575 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: central meeting place in the colonies at that time. I guess, 576 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 1: you know, part of it would be in the summer 577 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:25,239 Speaker 1: that any assembly hall would be way too hot and 578 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 1: you would just all go out under the shade of 579 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 1: the biggest tree. 580 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 2: There was, or the one they left. 581 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well they did that mostly in the farms, 582 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 1: not the communities. I guess. I don't know. I don't 583 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 1: know a good point, but. 584 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 3: Some of those years and I. 585 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 1: Was, yeah, I was, but still a little late for it. 586 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 1: Hanging trees, that's not such a nice thing, but they 587 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 1: were there. Liberty teas. So in response to the Tea Act, 588 00:33:55,040 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 1: where a boycott of teas happened, colon Is found whatever 589 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 1: they could to make their own tea out of, using 590 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 1: native North American plants, one of which is ce and 591 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 1: note this Americana's. 592 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 3: New Jersey tea. 593 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and USA sweet Old Rod slidego Odora. Have you 594 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,839 Speaker 1: had a tea from either of those? No, me, neither. 595 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 2: And then there's Labrador tea, which is a bald plant, 596 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,360 Speaker 2: and the like related to Mountain Laurel and the family. 597 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 1: And usually that's a poisonous type of plant, but they 598 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 1: were making tea out of it. 599 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 3: I think so. 600 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 1: Huh laborator and I'm sure that would be like Maine 601 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 1: and North boreal regions. 602 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:35,359 Speaker 3: Yeah. 603 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 1: Uh, let's take a break. Uh we're talking fourth of 604 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,440 Speaker 1: July and plants. 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Are you familiar with 633 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 1: him at all? I don't think most people anymore are. 634 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,359 Speaker 1: But he was a big, big deal following World War Two. 635 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:17,399 Speaker 1: He grew up as a sharecroppers kid, like like eight 636 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,360 Speaker 1: kids in the family or something. Father left when he 637 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,719 Speaker 1: was young. His mother died when he was fourteen. Yeah, 638 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,320 Speaker 1: he kind of raised you know, helped raise his brothers 639 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,919 Speaker 1: and sisters, you know, like a lot of guys did. 640 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 1: Went to the army younger than eighteen when World War 641 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 1: Two started, Pearl Harbor. After Pearl Harbor, he fought in 642 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,840 Speaker 1: Italy or North Africa at first, and then in Italy 643 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:48,880 Speaker 1: and France, and he earned every medal you can earn 644 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:55,719 Speaker 1: in the army, multiple campaigns, multiple times, injured off he 645 00:37:55,719 --> 00:38:00,760 Speaker 1: held off an entire German company by himself in some past. 646 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, to make a movie about it. 647 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 1: They did, and he starred himself. So he came back 648 00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,120 Speaker 1: to America and went to Hollywood. They made a movie 649 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,880 Speaker 1: about his life, using him as the star. And then 650 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,439 Speaker 1: he went onto a career being a cowboy or doing 651 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:21,080 Speaker 1: a lot of cowboy movies well into the fifty forties, 652 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,320 Speaker 1: well into the forties, and I think into the fifties. 653 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,240 Speaker 2: Well when you said his name, I had this cowboy. 654 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:30,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, you know, after all that he was 655 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,680 Speaker 1: suffered PTSD and his PTSD awarenessment, I think if I 656 00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,720 Speaker 1: remember right from earlier, and. 657 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:41,239 Speaker 2: They probably started that he might have he was very proactive. 658 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:46,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, he had. He took care of his rose garden 659 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:52,360 Speaker 1: to sort of overcome PTSD. That's pretty cool, you know that. 660 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,480 Speaker 1: World War two also we're talking about the Victory garden generation. 661 00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,560 Speaker 1: So many people grew their own vegetables, you had to 662 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:01,879 Speaker 1: with rations and everything else. 663 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:02,920 Speaker 3: You know. 664 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,800 Speaker 1: Interesting time it was, you know, and we were feeding 665 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,759 Speaker 1: so much of the world, both during the war and 666 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,880 Speaker 1: after because I imagine, I'm as a great percentage of the 667 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,680 Speaker 1: crop lands and Europe were not productive during that time, 668 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,440 Speaker 1: and if they were, nobody could transport them, you know. 669 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 1: So interesting, awful time. Hopefully we never see anything quite 670 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:30,759 Speaker 1: like that again, no doubt. Eleanor Roosevelt was a great 671 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:34,120 Speaker 1: promoter of the Victory gardens. That was kind of her thing. 672 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:40,640 Speaker 1: She advocated for food self sufficiency, sustainability, and community gardens 673 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:41,440 Speaker 1: across the country. 674 00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:42,279 Speaker 3: Good for her. 675 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:47,719 Speaker 1: More recently, Michelle Obama had her gardens at the White House. 676 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:49,359 Speaker 3: Were they still there? 677 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:54,879 Speaker 1: Don't I don't think so. I don't think so. Long 678 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,200 Speaker 1: history of gardening at the White House. Tree planting was 679 00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:02,840 Speaker 1: started there by Rutherford Hayes in the eighteen seventies, planting 680 00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:08,279 Speaker 1: commemorative trees that were saplings from Washington's Mount Vernon and 681 00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,960 Speaker 1: also Madison's Virginia home and white oaks grown from acorns 682 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:16,120 Speaker 1: of the charter oak in Connecticut. Oh yeah, and that 683 00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,279 Speaker 1: started I think a lot of tree planting that I 684 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:24,480 Speaker 1: think each president usually plants at least one tree. Nelly Taft, 685 00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,720 Speaker 1: the wife of William Howard Taft, is credited with planning 686 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,560 Speaker 1: with the planting of cherry trees around the Tidle Basin 687 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:34,520 Speaker 1: in Washington, d C. So the Japanese gave those as 688 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:38,720 Speaker 1: a gift, and I didn't realize, but she was involved 689 00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:42,640 Speaker 1: somehow in the negotiations or in the process there. And 690 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,880 Speaker 1: I vaguely remember a story where the first group of 691 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,799 Speaker 1: trees that they sent from Japan were infected with some 692 00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,880 Speaker 1: kind of disease and were all destroyed. And then a 693 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:57,920 Speaker 1: few years later Japan sent more and what a legacy 694 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:04,000 Speaker 1: that's left in the Washington, d C. Yeah. Yeah, these 695 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,320 Speaker 1: were planted in nineteen twelve, so very early. 696 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,200 Speaker 2: I think the I think there were cherries from Japan 697 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,439 Speaker 2: donated to Cincinnati, weren't there. 698 00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:19,800 Speaker 1: Yeah Park, Yeah, Eden Park and maybe Alt Park. Maybe 699 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,319 Speaker 1: they did that to a lot of cities that I 700 00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:26,760 Speaker 1: don't know about, but yeah, the ones, well both Eaton 701 00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,920 Speaker 1: Park and Alt Park have just beautiful plantings of cherries, 702 00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,680 Speaker 1: and you know they're probably none of them, or the 703 00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,200 Speaker 1: original trees or not generally long lasting. 704 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:37,839 Speaker 3: No, but. 705 00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:41,920 Speaker 1: You know, see lings and so forth and carrying on 706 00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,240 Speaker 1: and scions and cuttings. 707 00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:45,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, crafts and stuff. 708 00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,399 Speaker 1: Jacqueline Kennedy of course started the rose garden at the 709 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:50,560 Speaker 1: White House. 710 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,719 Speaker 2: Wait a minute, mil probably a rose named after her? 711 00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,840 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm sure there must be. I'm sure there is. 712 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:06,320 Speaker 1: Apparently a woman named Bunny Mellon designed two White House 713 00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:11,439 Speaker 1: gardens for Jacqueline Kennedy, the second one completed after the assassination. 714 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,919 Speaker 1: And then Lady Bird Johnson of course is known for 715 00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,680 Speaker 1: wildlife or wildflower restoration in Texas so much. 716 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, Lady Bird Johnson Center. 717 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:22,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. 718 00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:28,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, and she still alive. I think she is. Really, 719 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:32,239 Speaker 1: I'm not sure. But if she died, it wasn't that 720 00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:39,120 Speaker 1: long ago. Yeah. What else smart? Oh no, yeah, we 721 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:43,360 Speaker 1: got Phil a few minutes here, No, only one minute, 722 00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:47,320 Speaker 1: thank you, Danny. Danny came to the rescue. So yeah, 723 00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:49,759 Speaker 1: we will be back with Joe Box in just a 724 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,800 Speaker 1: couple of minutes. Always fun to talk to Joe. I've 725 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:54,279 Speaker 1: missed him. 726 00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:54,760 Speaker 3: Terribly. 727 00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,319 Speaker 1: I talked to him on the phone last week. It 728 00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,239 Speaker 1: was it was a lot of fun, and it's a 729 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,080 Speaker 1: lot of fun to talk. I'm on the radio as well. 730 00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,160 Speaker 1: You are listening to That Guarden with Scott Berlin. You 731 00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,280 Speaker 1: can find all the podcasts of all the past shows 732 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:11,319 Speaker 1: on well at any source of podcasts, and this one 733 00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,560 Speaker 1: will be up posted pretty much right after the show 734 00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:18,960 Speaker 1: is over, the number eight hundred fifty five. If you 735 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,160 Speaker 1: have any questions for us or Joe, give us a 736 00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:56,239 Speaker 1: shout and we will be back in just a few minutes.