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Speaker 1: Boston's Bulldozer never sleeps The Kooner Report weekend edition on

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Speaker 2: Okay, joining me now, doctor Grace, putting liberals in their place,

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Speaker 2: Grace Vuoto, my better half, my wonderful wife, Grace. You

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Speaker 2: heard what Trump said yesterday at the cabinet meeting. He

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Speaker 2: called the lon Omar garbage. He said, most of the

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Speaker 2: people in the Somali community, especially Minneapolis, all of those

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Speaker 2: on welfare and others, their garbage. Is Trump right? Is

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Speaker 2: Trump wrong? And should he have used the term garbage

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Speaker 2: because that's what everybody is seizing on? What say you?

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Speaker 1: Well, good morning, Jeff. Look, I generally support the president's policies.

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Speaker 1: I know what he's trying to do, but I would

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Speaker 1: prefer that he used much more selective language when he

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Speaker 1: speaks so that we avoid these you know what I

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Speaker 1: call this, This is like racial quicksand we get into

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Speaker 1: these know, just everybody gets upset, everybody's riled up, everybody's insulted,

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Speaker 1: and we don't get anywhere. I prefer that the president

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Speaker 1: talk very clearly about what it is that he wants,

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Speaker 1: as the Homeland Securities Secretary did right next to him,

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Speaker 1: and she said, Listen, we do not want crime imported

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Speaker 1: into this country. We don't want people out of mental institutions.

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Speaker 1: If there's a country that is sending a predominance of this,

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Speaker 1: you know, these types of people into our country, well,

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Speaker 1: we're going to put a ban in So I would

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Speaker 1: just say that the president needs to talk much more specifically.

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Speaker 1: So when we're talking about the Somali community in Minnesota,

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is a community that defrauded the state

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Speaker 1: of a billion dollars, and he has every right to

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Speaker 1: be upset about that, and he has every right to

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Speaker 1: be upset about representatives like Omar who are everything that

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Speaker 1: he says. But I would just say avoid the large

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Speaker 1: insults because they're ultimately not helpful. I think it's helpful

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Speaker 1: to talk about behaviors, actions and we can move the

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Speaker 1: country forward. Otherwise it's just spreading, you know, like all

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Speaker 1: this antagonism that gets in the way of the goal

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Speaker 1: that we're trying to achieve, which is to make the

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Speaker 1: country better. And there's lots of people on both sides

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Speaker 1: of the aisle that would agree on some of this.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we don't want this kind of fraud, We

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Speaker 1: don't want this kind of fraud in our country. Lots

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Speaker 1: of independence would agree on that, But when you use

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Speaker 1: these incendiary words, it just gets everybody robbed up, and

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's that productive. So I would just

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Speaker 1: say I agree with his policies, I agree with the vision,

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Speaker 1: but I would hope that once in a while he

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Speaker 1: would just be a little bit more selective in the

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Speaker 1: language that he's using to express himself.

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Speaker 2: What do you say to his central argument and now

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Speaker 2: his policy, because he's banning immigration at least temporarily from

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Speaker 2: nineteen countries, Somalia being one of them, and he's vowing

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Speaker 2: now to deport many of these Somalis from Minneapolis. Apparently

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Speaker 2: half of them are on fraudulent visas. So but what

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Speaker 2: do you say to his argument that there are just

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Speaker 2: certain groups from certain countries, immigrant groups that are a

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Speaker 2: net minus, that's all, and the Somalis for whatever reason,

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Speaker 2: I don't know why. Whether it's Denmark, whether it's Sweden,

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Speaker 2: whether it's France, whether it's England. Everywhere they go, whether

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Speaker 2: it's Maine, whether it's min Minnesota, the crime rates are

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Speaker 2: much higher, welfare dependency much higher. They're not assimilating. Many

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Speaker 2: of them have been there several generations. They're not assimilating,

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Speaker 2: and that's so you just don't bring them in because

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Speaker 2: ultimately they don't add value to your country. I'm not

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Speaker 2: talking about an individual here or there, but overall as

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Speaker 2: an overall group. Is Trump right or is Trump wrong?

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Speaker 1: Well, look he does have a very good point. Look,

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Speaker 1: there's even an expert that's quoted. His name is Ahmad Samaitary.

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Speaker 1: He's an expert on some Mali culture, and he says, listen,

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Speaker 1: there's something about many of these Somali refugees. They were

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Speaker 1: raised in a culture where stealing from the government was

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Speaker 1: really common. So the fact that you know they participated

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Speaker 1: in this scheme in Minnesota, it doesn't surprise him because

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Speaker 1: that's the culture that they came from. But the problem

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Speaker 1: we face as a country, Jeff, it's not this or

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Speaker 1: that group. We just do not assimilate immigrants very effectively

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Speaker 1: at all anymore, any immigrant. And the problem, as I

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Speaker 1: said a couple of weeks ago, is our policy of multiculturalism,

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Speaker 1: a lack of knowledge of our own history, a lack

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Speaker 1: of pride in our own history. And this comes from

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Speaker 1: the Democrats mostly and the education system that they've put forward.

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Speaker 1: So we have a huge problem to deal with when

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Speaker 1: it comes to assimilating all immigrants. And I just think

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Speaker 1: that the problem is so massive right now. He and

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Speaker 1: the Homeland Secretary and the whole team, they've got so

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Speaker 1: much on their plate and they're doing such a great job. Well,

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Speaker 1: just establish a clear policy overall. What is the immigration

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Speaker 1: standard that we want, What is it that we don't want?

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Speaker 1: Have one clear policy and talk about it in terms

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Speaker 1: of policy language as much as possible that tries to

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Speaker 1: achieve a national consensus. What do we want as a

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Speaker 1: nation when we say this person can come in and

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Speaker 1: this person can come in. We need to establish those standards,

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Speaker 1: and we do need to have a process where we

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Speaker 1: can verify that they are being assimilated, because think about it,

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Speaker 1: You and I come from cultures where come on, we

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Speaker 1: were telling our parents often, hey mo, hey dad, you

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Speaker 1: can't do that here. You know, it takes a while

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Speaker 1: to assimilate people. But this was an environment when they

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Speaker 1: came in where there was much more cultural pressure to

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Speaker 1: assimilate to a national standard. We don't have that. That's

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Speaker 1: a big, big, big problem that comes from liberal ideology.

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Speaker 1: So I think that the government needs to set a

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Speaker 1: clear immigration policy and a clear assimilation procedure and just

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Speaker 1: talk about it in those terms.

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Speaker 2: We've got about a minute left, so I need you

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Speaker 2: to be very you know, very much to the point

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Speaker 2: on this. Is it time for at least a foreseeable future,

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Speaker 2: three years, five years, whatever it is. We've got so

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Speaker 2: many illegals and so much legal immigration now that the

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Speaker 2: country really is being there's so many foreign born Americans,

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Speaker 2: legal or illegal. Is it time to put a moratorium

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Speaker 2: on immigration until we can sort everything out because we're

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Speaker 2: just we're being overwhelmed. Go quick a minute.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we need an absolute moratorium on all immigration. And

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Speaker 1: that's why the government needs to be very clear. You know,

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Speaker 1: there's this uproar about okay, so you want the Chinese

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Speaker 1: students to come in, you do want h one B visas.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what's the policy. The policies are ever changing,

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Speaker 1: So I would say we do need a very strict

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Speaker 1: moratorium applicable to all until we sort everything out in

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Speaker 1: this country, get the eagles out, and get the laws

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Speaker 1: in place that appear to be fair and reasonable for all.

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Speaker 1: That's all. It's not that.

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Speaker 2: Complicated, doctor Grace. Putting liberals in their place, Grace Votto

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Speaker 2: and Yes, I definitely married up. Grace. Dynamite stuff. We'll

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Speaker 2: talk next week, same time, same place, and thanks again

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Speaker 2: for coming on the Kuoner Report. Okay, you heard Grace.

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Speaker 2: She agrees with Trump's policies, but doesn't like the fact

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Speaker 2: that he used the word garbage, and she says that's

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Speaker 2: one of his problems. He just doesn't use precise language.

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Speaker 2: He needs to be more precise, more diplomatic. Do you agree.

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Speaker 2: Jeff doesn't get a day off.

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