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Speaker 3: Popular is one of this just for Jody Arias.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she just contacts me on this Jodey phone.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting you're here because you have a new documentary

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and something happened with me yesterday in Jody Arias. No,

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Speaker 1: Did she agree to Is she in it?

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Speaker 4: She messaged me She is not allowed to do interviews

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Speaker 4: So she was not supposed to contact me at all,

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Speaker 1: Interesting. Now, let's just say someone's listening right now and

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Speaker 4: So back in two thousand and eight, Jody Arius twenty

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Speaker 5: And like all the people that write like the serial

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Speaker 4: Jody is a bit of an interesting one. This documentary.

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Speaker 4: It looks at her psychology from a team to now

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Speaker 1: So have you ever been in prisoning where you've done

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Speaker 1: So your your documentary is it one awards already right

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Speaker 4: It's called Obsessed Unraveling Jody Arias And all you have

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Speaker 4: And then tomorrow if people are in Arizona. It airs

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Speaker 1: Does somebody assign you this case, this whole thing, or

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Speaker 1: like you do you pitch it and go, hey, I'd

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we are little true crime team kind of. We're

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Speaker 4: And I think there is mentioning Netflix and Hulu and HBO.

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Speaker 3: And what does she does she maintain innocence or maintained defense?

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Speaker 3: Where is she now?

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Speaker 4: She won't talk about it, so she basically will write

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Speaker 1: Whatever. Somehow him and I were best friends ten years ago.

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Speaker 4: the fire the explosion. They didn't, And so when they

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Speaker 4: went in they discovered the kids had had their throat slit,

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Speaker 4: the wife had had her throat slit and shot in

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Speaker 4: the back of the head.

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Speaker 2: Those pictures were really hard to see because like the

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Speaker 2: boy was ten and in his griefs in his bed

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Speaker 2: and from the explosion though.

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Speaker 1: They're burned. They're burned, the bodies are burned, and then

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Speaker 1: you could see that the slip.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yet I never caught Robert Fisher. People so fascinated

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Speaker 4: it is he dead or alive? The detectives that have

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Speaker 4: worked the case don't agree something he's alive, something he's dead.

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Speaker 2: They found they were like like normal, kind of normal.

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Speaker 2: I was like they had all the money to escape.

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Speaker 4: No, it was South scotts So he was he worked

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Speaker 4: at the Mayo Clinic, but he wasn't a doctor. I

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Speaker 4: believe he was a radiologist or something along the something

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Speaker 4: along those lines, but he, uh, he did that kind

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Speaker 4: of stuff there and then they were really active in

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Speaker 4: their church.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, they lived in South Scottsdale.

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Speaker 1: Is is that weird? That it's pop you know how Instagram,

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Speaker 1: here's your your phones hear you and then you this

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Speaker 1: is like preemptive hearing because it's popped on my Instagram

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Speaker 1: like three days ago. I was like, well, I saw

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Speaker 1: the whole story, and I saw the whole story. I

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Speaker 1: was like, oh, I had no idea it was here. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because it's like an it was like the top people.

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Speaker 1: The FBI is looking forward to that for a long time.

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Speaker 3: Have you done a podcast, A long one, A long

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Speaker 3: form on that I did.

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Speaker 4: It was actually my first documentary and first podcast season

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Speaker 4: was on Robert Fisher podcast Crime Arizona Easy documentary Finding

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Speaker 4: Robert Fisher.

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Speaker 2: There you go, Yep, that's.

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Speaker 1: That's Finding Robert Fisher. Take off searching for Bobby Fisher.

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Speaker 3: Right, No, No, it wasn't.

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Speaker 1: But I know, I know there's a movie called Bobby Fisher.

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Speaker 1: You called it Finding Robert Fisher.

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Speaker 2: Robert Fisher.

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Speaker 5: I do feel like that's one of those things that

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Speaker 5: could take off with like internet sleuths, you know what

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Speaker 5: I mean, Like the fascination for stuff like that and

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Speaker 5: the information that the cops maybe didn't have access to

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Speaker 5: at the time.

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Speaker 3: Justice that we all have.

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Speaker 1: I want to say it to my sister. She that

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Speaker 1: he's not a serial killer. You have to kill three

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Speaker 1: people to be seriously.

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Speaker 2: Well, did he'd killed then it would be it be

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Speaker 2: a family annihilator? Is what technolog.

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Speaker 3: That that happens.

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Speaker 2: So sad we got the serial killer. So this is

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Speaker 2: the difference.

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Speaker 4: Yes, typically it's three or more, but it's how they

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Speaker 4: do it. Serial killer has to have like a motive

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Speaker 4: they do it, and then they have a cool off period,

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Speaker 4: whether that's a day, a week, a month, a year,

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Speaker 4: and then they do the same thing with the same

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Speaker 4: kind of motive and signature.

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Speaker 2: They do it again, like Texter's Yes, listening to this

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Speaker 2: and you're like.

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Speaker 1: And you're like, oh, man, I killed two people that

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Speaker 1: did the wrong way. You do it again. I gotta

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Speaker 1: kill someone. They gotta I gotta reset.

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Speaker 2: You think people think about wanting to be serial killers?

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Speaker 1: Why there's my sister has a whole thing with serial

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Speaker 1: killers on. She's in the Hollywood world, and she said

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Speaker 1: that there is do you remember the number. I think

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Speaker 1: she told you, Kyle, there's actively ten thousand serial killers

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Speaker 1: in the country right now, ten thousand operating.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't know who they are. They just keep

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Speaker 3: on doing their thing.

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Speaker 1: I think that's the number.

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Speaker 4: My hot take is that I think serial killers will

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Speaker 4: eventually become extinct because there's way too much with DNA

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Speaker 4: technology and surveillance and everything now to be able to

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Speaker 4: continue being a serial killer.

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Speaker 2: Color real quick, perfect because but there's like mass killing.

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Speaker 3: That's a hot take.

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Speaker 1: What did you say, how many active serial killers are

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Speaker 1: there in the country right now? Well, at least seven,

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Speaker 1: But I don't know that seven.

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 1: I thought you said something like ten thousands, a big number.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's true, it is at least maybe that's a murderer,

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Speaker 2: not a serial killer.

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Speaker 3: No unknown, like hold on the ones that aren't caught yet.

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Speaker 1: Hold on, you said it. Wait, you said it, and

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Speaker 1: you're you're talking the conversation with Kyle, and you're like,

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Speaker 1: you know, there are actively this many serial killers right

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Speaker 1: now in the country.

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Speaker 3: I know because I had just got off the phone

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Speaker 3: with those people.

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Speaker 1: Do you think, yeah, it seems like a number, like

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Speaker 1: a thousand, you remember?

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Speaker 2: I think I can't remember it either.

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Speaker 1: I was eavesdropping, so that's not fair of me. It

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Speaker 1: was obviously she was with you.

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Speaker 3: But there's a big there's a big leap between seven.

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Speaker 3: I can handle seven that's not great.

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Speaker 5: I felt like it was a very large, shockingly large number,

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Speaker 5: like very.

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Speaker 4: It's very different because if it's okay, we're all in

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Speaker 4: trouble right now, I'll be shocked.

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Speaker 2: There are ten thousand serial killers operating right now.

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Speaker 5: I don't think well because John Jay's sister, she works

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Speaker 5: in TV and she worked on a show called Unknown

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Speaker 5: serial Killers, And each one goes through these serial killers

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Speaker 5: that weren't necessarily prolific.

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Speaker 2: But murdered hundreds of people.

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Speaker 5: No, but they weren't like famous in that point where

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Speaker 5: they were like, you know, everyone knows them, like Bundy

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Speaker 5: or something like that.

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Speaker 1: A lot of them have a catch and it's like wow,

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Speaker 1: they get elevated, Like jode Arius, that's a whole Like

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Speaker 1: she's beautiful.

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Speaker 2: She's not even a serial killer.

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Speaker 1: Have you seen the memes yet on her? Have you

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Speaker 1: ever seen? I mean, there's a meme where they show

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Speaker 1: her her face and then they say show what she did,

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Speaker 1: and then the guy going, she's still hot. I chill

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Speaker 1: take my chances.

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Speaker 4: And that's the thing we actually, I mean, I post

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Speaker 4: about it and people are like, freeer, she's so pretty,

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Speaker 4: Like that's still that's still a pretty People don't kill Yeah,

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Speaker 4: that's crazy, so crazy. Well, she was also running of

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Speaker 4: Twitter during her trial, and her Twitter manager was a

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Speaker 4: former cellmate, and that also picked up because she would

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Speaker 4: like comment she would comment on the prosecutor who she

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Speaker 4: didn't like obviously and would write like oh yes, little

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Speaker 4: man syndrome and all that on Twitter.

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Speaker 2: So that just picked up everything, even so crazy. Okay,

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Speaker 2: So it'll be on YouTube tonight.

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Speaker 1: Tonight and even if you get it, like if you

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Speaker 1: listen to this podcast next week, how do they search

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Speaker 1: for it on YouTube?

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Speaker 2: You search for Obsessed Unraveling Jody Arias.

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Speaker 1: Okay, thank you for coming in, Thank you for having

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Speaker 1: me so fun.

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Speaker 2: It's so good to see you. Guys. We could talk

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Speaker 2: true crime with you. We really can't. All come back.

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Speaker 2: It's my it's my thing.

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Speaker 3: So next one, do come back. Next one.

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Speaker 2: Perfect