WEBVTT - 10-9-25 Midweek Crisis with Dan Carroll 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:10.559 All right, here we go back on the Big One, 0:00:10.720 --> 0:00:14.319 seven hundred WLW. It's nine oh seven. This is the 0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:18.440 Thursday night edition of the Midweek Crisis five one, three, seven, four, nine, 0:00:19.239 --> 0:00:21.119 eight hundred the Big One. Joe Waddell is running the 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:25.000 big board in the seven hundred WLW command center, and 0:00:25.320 --> 0:00:30.320 Joe Waddell informs me, I've got the Philadelphia Phillies at 0:00:30.320 --> 0:00:34.600 the Lakers game on Uh. Los Angeles seeds the series 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:36.920 two to one. They're in the tenth inning that would 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:41.959 be commonly known as extra innings. And uh, Joe, how 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:44.160 long ago was it they started this ghost runner stuff? 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:47.199 It's not like twenty twenty. I want to think this 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:49.120 had to do with the wuhan or something like that, 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:57.200 twenty twenty Full Time implemented twenty twenty two. I do 0:00:57.320 --> 0:01:01.240 not like the idea at all of a ghost runner. 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:05.360 I mean, it's it's like Little league baseball. You know, 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:08.120 if if Major League Baseball, and I was I was 0:01:08.160 --> 0:01:11.360 not planning on starting with this tonight at all. If 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:14.440 Major League Baseball keeps going the way it's going, they're 0:01:14.480 --> 0:01:18.240 gonna have a nine batter rule like Little league baseball. 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:21.520 They're gonna have a mercy rule it's gonna I mean, 0:01:21.560 --> 0:01:24.600 they've got the pitch clock already, they've got the designated 0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:28.080 hitter in the National League, and and and all stuff 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:31.120 that I've sort of come to come to come to 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:36.080 terms with. But this notion of the ghost runner needs 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:40.039 to go away. If it's good, it's good enough for 0:01:40.080 --> 0:01:43.320 the regular season, but it's not good enough for the playoffs. 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:48.480 Why is that? Why is that? Why do you change? 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:52.040 Why are there different rules for the playoffs than there 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:58.920 are for the regular season. To me, it just screams 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:02.520 how illegitimate this idea is. They need to get rid 0:02:02.560 --> 0:02:08.040 of it. Period. Look if I'm watching a baseball game 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:14.800 and that baseball game goes to extra innings and it 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:20.400 takes ten or eleven or fifteen or sixteen or eighteen 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:27.440 or nineteen innings, and so be it. I know it 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:31.519 strains the pitching staff and all the rest of it. 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:38.639 But not good enough for the playoffs, but good enough 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:42.679 for the regular season. Terrible, terrible thing, all right. The 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:46.120 teacher James is hate in life. She's been indicted on 0:02:46.760 --> 0:02:52.160 bank fraud charges. Grand jury approve those charges earlier today. 0:02:52.840 --> 0:02:56.320 The indictment followed Federal Housing and Finance Agency director Bill 0:02:56.360 --> 0:03:01.200 POLTI making a criminal referral to the Justice Department. Miss 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:07.799 James has in multiple instances falsified bank documents allegedly and 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:12.880 property records to acquire government backed assistants and loans and 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:17.520 more favorable terms. Where have we heard that before? Where 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:23.240 have we heard that before? When she was prosecuting Donald 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:32.560 Trump on the exact same thing she was she was 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:37.440 wont to say no one is above the law, and 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:40.080 now it's coming back for her. But you know, look, right, hey, 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:43.080 Trump had a trial, We're going to have a trial 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:48.400 on this. Let the ships fall where they met. What 0:03:48.520 --> 0:03:52.080 else is going on? Big debate tonight. You've got aftab 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:57.880 Purvall up against Corey Bowman. That's for the Cincinnati mayor. 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:03.960 I send a message to Corey Bowman, wish him well 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:06.400 in the debate, and if he is so inclined, he 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:08.600 may call in. I don't know what time that debate 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:11.119 gets over, but I've got guessed in the ten o'clock hour, 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:15.080 so I believe that debate is taking place as we speak, 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:19.000 So maybe in the eleven o'clock hour, if he's so inclined, 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:22.000 he'll call in and give us an update on how 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:24.840 the debate goes tonight. Also, there's a debate going on 0:04:25.480 --> 0:04:32.480 in Virginia and that is pitting winsome Seers against this 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:37.280 Abigail Spamberger, who is just a total dits, total left 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:43.000 wing lunatic who should not be elected in Virginia. All right, 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:45.080 I'm going I want to do something right. We're going 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:47.840 to talk about Trump. I talked to my Middle East 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:55.200 experts earlier today and they are optimistic about the peace 0:04:55.240 --> 0:05:01.640 plan that is going on between between Hamas and Israel. 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:03.080 Uh. 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:09.520 We cannot forget that that a rock main remains uh 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:14.960 not a rock, but Iran may remains a major player there. 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:22.120 So it's it's it's it's waiting to see there are 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:25.599 there's a large Palestinian population that lives inside of Jordan, 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:30.279 so they have a vested interest on on what happens here. 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:36.920 So we'll see. Uh there. There's still a lot of 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:41.120 countries and a lot of leaders over there that's that 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:47.920 simply hate Israel, and the whole idea that they're all 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:53.039 going to go along with this is that it's just hard. 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:55.919 There's a lot there, there's a lot of wheels turning 0:05:55.920 --> 0:05:58.920 behind the scenes that I don't know that none of 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:02.520 us know, and it's going to be absolutely fascinating, I 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:06.120 think when the details come to light on this, about 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:09.640 how all this came to pass. So this is just 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:17.360 another example of but it cannot be stressed enough to 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:20.800 my way of thinking, just how unbelievable the leadership of 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:24.760 Trump has been in this area. This guy wants piece 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:27.280 more than anything else, and he is willing to do 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:31.760 anything it takes to get peace. And so I was 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:34.000 thinking about that last night when I, you know, when 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:37.360 this deal broke, and then I came across a piece 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:42.680 today written by Julian Sinclair. I do not know who 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:45.320 Julian Sinclair is. This is obviously a person who knows 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:48.920 a lot more about international affairs than most of us. 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:53.280 And the title of this piece is the Trump Piece 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:55.839 Bonanza you Haven't heard of? So I saw that headline 0:06:55.839 --> 0:06:59.040 and I thought, well, what is the Trump piece Bonanza 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:03.719 that I have not heard of? And so I'm going 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:05.640 to read this piece. And while I'm doing this, I 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:08.800 want you to, if if you're able to, because I've 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:14.040 done it, because I have so little familiarity with these areas. 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:17.280 I want you to pull up a map of Azerbijan 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:22.239 and Armenia, and I want you to find the city 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:24.800 of Bac who it's back, who's easy to find? It 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:29.480 sticks out there in the Caspian Sea. And then you go, oh, gosh, 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:31.760 I don't know, six or seven hundred miles west to 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:37.520 a city called Cars k A R S. And you know, 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:42.800 and and and this this kind of gives you perspective 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:45.720 on what this piece is talking about. But stick with 0:07:45.800 --> 0:07:48.560 me on this. I think I found this fascinating as 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:51.160 I was reading this earlier today, and I certainly hope 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:57.280 you will too. Uh And Julian Sinclair writes. Azerbaijan Armedia, 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:05.239 Cavan and Senek are not named. Most Americans are familiar with, however, 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:10.119 The Trip t ri IPP, which stands for the Trump 0:08:10.280 --> 0:08:16.280 Route for International Peace and Prosperity. The Trip corridor runs 0:08:16.320 --> 0:08:21.760 through these countries, cities and regions, is a decisive strategic 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:27.760 move in the Caucasus in Central Asia against three US 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:35.640 adversaries at once China, Russia and Iran. The Trip will 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:38.560 link the city of Cars in Turkey to the port 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:42.840 city of Baku in Azerbaijan. Baku is the most important 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:46.160 port city in the Caspian Sea, an inland sea connecting 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:51.480 Azerbaijan directly to Turkmenistan and Kazakistan. Together, these countries have 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:57.200 proven oil reserves of thirty seven billion barrels thirty seven 0:08:57.280 --> 0:09:01.640 billion barrels, slightly more than the entire higher US proven 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:06.840 reserve at thirty five billion. When Hitler invaded the Soviet 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:10.040 Union in June of nineteen forty one, his rhetorical justification 0:09:10.200 --> 0:09:13.000 was secondary to his need to secure the Caucasan oil 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:17.520 fields of Azerbaijan and Central Asia. At the time, Germany's 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:21.520 only significant access to oil was from Romania, which was 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:24.840 insufficient for the needs of Germany and its occupied countries. 0:09:25.760 --> 0:09:28.600 The famed Battle of Stalingrad was fought to secure the 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:32.600 Volga River for its access to the Caspian oil and 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:35.160 as a launch point for an invasion to capture the 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:39.160 port of Baku and its oil trade. It could be 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:42.080 said that Hitler's push in the Eastern Front into the 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:45.600 Eastern Front, whose ultimate failure lost in the war, was 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:49.960 driven in large part by the need to secure the 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:56.079 region's oil. Despite the rhetoric condemning the twenty twenty two 0:09:56.120 --> 0:10:01.080 Russian invasions of Ukraine, the EU purchased twenty one point 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:04.440 nine billion euros worth of fossil fuels from Russia in 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:08.240 twenty twenty four alone, far less than pre twenty twenty 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:12.280 two levels, compared to spending eighteen point seven billion euros, 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:16.640 are sending eighteen point seven billion euros in financial aid 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:21.000 to Ukraine. Europe's need for fossil fuels has trumpets desire 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:26.520 to oppose Putin's Russia enter the Trump Route for international 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:30.920 peace and prosperity the trip. This is a rail line 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:34.800 that has the potential to unlock fifty to one hundred 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:39.040 billion dollars in annual trade by twenty twenty seven, a 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:43.000 significant portion of which will be in fossil fuels. The 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:46.480 rail from Baku to Kars, Turkey will allow the oil 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:51.320 and natural gas exports of Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan and Kazakistan to 0:10:51.600 --> 0:10:55.680 enter the Mediterranean and then to Europe without passing through 0:10:55.760 --> 0:11:04.480 Russia or Iran as before. So this rail that Trump 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:11.120 has created will allow this oil to flow directly to 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:16.120 the Caspian Sea, without passing through Russia, without passing through Iran. 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:19.720 That's why I wanted you to look at them. Fifteen 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:22.840 percent or I'm saying fifteen to twenty percent of Russia's 0:11:22.840 --> 0:11:26.800 GDP is from fossil fuels and thirty to fifty percent 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:30.880 of its budget comes from fossil fuels. By opening the 0:11:31.160 --> 0:11:33.920 Caucasus and Caspian oil to the world without the need 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:38.720 to transit Russia or Iran, President Trumps seriously undermined a 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:44.640 geopolitical opponent without firing a shot or starting another regime 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:48.080 change war. In fact, the trip is part of a 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:53.160 peace negotiate, a peace deal negotiated between Azerbaijan and Armenia, 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:56.880 with the US leasing a twenty seven mile stretch of 0:11:56.920 --> 0:12:03.600 the railway in Armenia's Site Senior Providence, effectively underwriting Armenian 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:09.040 security without deploying US troops. Not only does the trip 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:11.920 give the US the influence in a region of the 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:14.480 southern flank of Russia and the northern flank of Iran, 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:19.720 but it also undermines China's Belt and Roade initiative. China 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:22.880 has long dreamed of creating a Middle Quarter, a four 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:27.000 thousand mile trade path from China to Europe. Trump's link 0:12:27.040 --> 0:12:30.800 from Central Asia to the Mediterranean undermines China's most important 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:35.600 soft power program, creating a transit route that aligns with 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:40.200 US interests The trip involves no deployment of US forces 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:44.000 and will be solely managed by private, non military organizations 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:48.480 without a single soldier or jet fighter. President Trump has 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:56.320 delivered a decisive strategic advantage against three US adversaries at 0:12:56.360 --> 0:13:00.200 the same time. Although its purpose is non military, the 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:03.880 railway also has the potential to be used for military 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:08.640 purposes should Russia, China, or Iran decide to go to 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:13.800 war with the United States. The Caucasus in Central Asia 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:17.280 have mostly been out of US reach without the use 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:20.679 of expensive airpower and supporting ground troops there in. The 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:24.040 numbers required would make a difference in potential global conflict, 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:29.120 and it would be prohibitively expensive. With a capacity of 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:33.319 fifty million tons of cargo per year, the trip could 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:37.200 hypothetically support the transit of over one hundred thirty thousand 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:43.320 tons of supplies per day. A US infantry division in 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:47.560 twenty twenty five requires approximately one thousand, one hundred tons 0:13:47.600 --> 0:13:52.360 of supplies per day, meaning multiple divisions and their supporting 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:56.480 air power could be deployed to the region. These units 0:13:56.559 --> 0:14:01.560 could cause severe issues for Russia, Iran, and China should 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:07.360 the unfortunate need arise. The mirrorability to deploy significant US 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:10.080 forces to Central Asia and the Caucuses acts as a 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:16.359 deterrent against Iran, Russia, and China, thus decreasing the likelihood 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:21.280 of war. In a conflict with China centered on Taiwan 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:24.080 and Southeast Asia Waters, China could be forced to deploy 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:30.040 significant numbers of troops and supplies to Xixiang Province, where 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:35.240 China is currently committing a genocide against native wigers on 0:14:35.320 --> 0:14:40.640 Kazakistan's eastern border, diverting them from China's Pacific coast, which 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:46.480 would be the decisive theater of said conflict. President Trump 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:49.920 has delivered a major economic blow to our geopolitical adversaries 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:55.280 without fighting a single costly war. By negotiating peace between 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:59.920 our media and Azerbaijan. He has created a competing trand 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:05.160 route for Caspian oil and significantly, we can China's belt 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:14.800 and wrote initiative. That's the piece by Julian Sinclair. So 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:18.400 you hear all the time about how Trump is about 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:24.240 peace and economic development. The phrase Ronald Reagan used was 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:28.960 called peace through strength. This is what it looks like. 0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:33.560 This is peace through strength. There is no way on 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:36.360 God's green earth. And it was all over the news 0:15:36.360 --> 0:15:41.080 today there is no way that Joe Biden was ever 0:15:41.560 --> 0:15:46.000 going to get a Middle East peace deal done like 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:49.320 the one that we are witnessing right now, and god 0:15:49.400 --> 0:15:53.240 forbid that it falls apart and being look, those possibilities 0:15:53.280 --> 0:16:00.800 are very real. But along the way, Trump has solved 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:03.160 a handful of wars. I believe the number is eight. 0:16:03.400 --> 0:16:07.960 This is one of them, Armenia and Azerbaijan. Not only 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:12.280 did he bring an end to that conflict, he at 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:16.200 the same time, by creating this Trump route for an 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:22.600 international peace and prosperity, has also in a major way, 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:28.320 undermined the abilities of Iran, Russia, and China to fight 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:33.960 against the United States. This is what Trump is doing 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:37.840 when he's up at one am, at two am, at 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:41.320 three am. This is the kind of stuff that he 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:47.960 is thinking about. Is this is this is what serious 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:54.800 leadership looks like. I wasn't planning on starting the show 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:57.600 with this tonight, but I thought it was important coming 0:16:57.640 --> 0:16:59.160 up after the news at the bottom of the hour 0:16:59.880 --> 0:17:03.000 or John Lott is going to be here and we're 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:10.199 going to hear more about why why the numbers of 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:18.880 armed civilians who stop craze shooters. It doesn't get accurately reported, 0:17:19.520 --> 0:17:22.240 so that more coming up on the Thursday night edition 0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:29.960 of The Midweek Crisis on seven hundred WLW seven hundred 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:35.240 WLW nine, Dan Carroll till midnight tonight, Thursday night edition 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:38.000 of the Midweek Crisis. Glad to be here. So glad 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:40.160 you are here as well. I don't talk about guns 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:44.080 a lot on this show, but what I do I 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:47.840 like to have doctor John Lott on. Doctor John Lott 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:53.800 is the founder of the Crime Prevention Research Center and 0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:58.240 it has just done a ton of research on guns 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:00.600 and all the rest of it. And I saw this 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:03.960 headline a day or so ago and I thought, man, 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:06.040 I really want to have him on to talk about this. 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:10.320 And the headline is this armed citizens stop far more 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:14.760 active shooters than the FBI said a new report reveals, 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:18.720 And doctor John Locke, welcome again to seven hundred WW. 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:21.760 Greod to talk to you again. Thanks for having me on. 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:24.399 Well, I'm glad you're here. This is a subject that 0:18:24.480 --> 0:18:30.240 you have been talking about for how long now, more 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:32.320 than a decade at least, have you not? 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:39.120 Yeah? No, I actually wrote my first academic article on 0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:44.520 the problems with the FBI active shooting data fifteen. It 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:48.280 was published and I continued working on it. When I 0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:51.159 worked in the US Department of Justice, when I was 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:55.520 Senior Advisor Research and Statistics, one of my tasks was 0:18:55.560 --> 0:18:59.639 to look at the possible errors in the FBI active 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:00.960 shooting reports. 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:04.200 Yeah, so this is something that that you have discovered 0:19:04.840 --> 0:19:08.160 goes on on a regular basis. And even when you 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:11.160 when you point out and I guess have a chance 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:12.440 to talk. I don't know who you talk to in 0:19:12.520 --> 0:19:14.920 the FBI about this, but when you when you're able 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:18.399 to bring this to their attention, they are reluctant to 0:19:18.560 --> 0:19:21.400 change those numbers. Have you been able to figure out 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:22.480 why that is so? 0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:27.520 Well, I mean it's kind of hard to get in 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:32.360 people's minds and they you know, but here's the big problem, 0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:35.680 and think you're touching on it, and that is even 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:39.240 when you get them to agree that their data is incomplete, 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:43.240 even when you get them to admit that they've missed something, 0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:48.480 they don't fix it. There are two types of errors 0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:52.919 in what the FBI does. One it's misclassified cases. So 0:19:53.080 --> 0:19:57.360 for example, you have something like the church shooting outside 0:19:57.359 --> 0:20:03.159 of Fort Worth, Texas in December twenty nineteen, they say, well, 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:06.200 it was the security guard that stopped the attack there. Well, 0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:09.720 actually it was just a parishioner that was there. The 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:13.160 church said, anybody who has a permanent concealed handgun can 0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:16.959 go and carry on church property. We don't even know 0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:19.199 exactly how many people were carrying then, it could have 0:20:19.240 --> 0:20:22.040 been like eighteen or twenty. All I can say is 0:20:22.119 --> 0:20:26.719 the attacker picked the wrong church to go after. And 0:20:26.760 --> 0:20:29.200 then there are just lots of cases that they miss, 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:31.760 and they just tend to miss one type of case. 0:20:31.800 --> 0:20:36.000 So the FBI claims between twenty fourteen and twenty twenty 0:20:36.040 --> 0:20:41.960 four there were fourteen cases where legally armed civilian with 0:20:42.040 --> 0:20:45.159 a concealed carry permit stopped what they call an active 0:20:45.160 --> 0:20:48.560 shooting case. An active shooting case is an instance where 0:20:48.560 --> 0:20:51.600 a gun fired in public, not part of some other 0:20:51.640 --> 0:20:54.440 type of crime like a robbery or a gang fight 0:20:54.520 --> 0:20:58.120 over drug turf, anything from one person being shot at 0:20:58.160 --> 0:20:59.960 and missed, all the way up to a mass publisher. 0:21:00.880 --> 0:21:05.600 And so they say that over those eleven years, about 0:21:05.640 --> 0:21:09.560 four percent of the active shooting cases, fourteen of these 0:21:09.640 --> 0:21:13.360 three hundred plus that they have, we're stopped by illegally 0:21:13.480 --> 0:21:17.640 armed civilians. We think that the right number is rather 0:21:17.640 --> 0:21:23.680 than fourteen, is two hundred and two, and so rather 0:21:23.760 --> 0:21:27.399 than rather than four percent, we think that it's actually 0:21:27.440 --> 0:21:31.880 about thirty six percent. The problem is also though the 0:21:31.960 --> 0:21:36.199 erres have gotten worse in the last couple of years, 0:21:36.600 --> 0:21:40.000 the FBI claims that there has not been one single 0:21:40.320 --> 0:21:43.840 active shooting attack anywhere in the United States it's been 0:21:44.000 --> 0:21:47.520 stopped by illegally armed civilian. And you know, if you 0:21:47.520 --> 0:21:49.880 look at the data for twenty twenty four, for example, 0:21:49.920 --> 0:21:53.480 they claim of zero. We think it's forty eight percent 0:21:53.840 --> 0:21:58.440 of the active shooting attacks were stopped. And one argument 0:21:58.480 --> 0:22:00.720 that I had when I was working the Department of 0:22:00.880 --> 0:22:04.200 Justice with the FBI people was that, look, guys, if 0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:08.439 you're talking about law abiding citizens stopping these attacks, you 0:22:08.640 --> 0:22:12.639 have to separate out places where they're legally allowed to 0:22:12.680 --> 0:22:15.440 carry from places where they're not legally allowed to carry, 0:22:15.480 --> 0:22:18.639 these so called gun free zones. You can't expect a 0:22:18.720 --> 0:22:23.200 law abiding citizen to carry a permanent, concealed handgun into 0:22:23.200 --> 0:22:26.600 a place where it's illegal for them to carry the gun. 0:22:26.840 --> 0:22:30.520 And if you separate out those gun free zones, what 0:22:30.680 --> 0:22:34.600 you find that about sixty three percent of the active 0:22:34.600 --> 0:22:38.880 shooting cases last year were actually stop in places they 0:22:38.880 --> 0:22:45.000 were allowed to carry by legally armed civilians. Sixty three 0:22:45.080 --> 0:22:51.119 percent is a lot different than zero and so, and 0:22:51.160 --> 0:22:53.560 nobody needs to take our work for these cases. We 0:22:53.720 --> 0:22:56.960 have them listed on our website as well as links 0:22:57.000 --> 0:23:00.800 to the underlying information about each case. People can go 0:23:00.880 --> 0:23:03.720 and check them themselves to make sure that they match 0:23:04.480 --> 0:23:08.679 the FBI definition. The thing that police departments don't collect 0:23:08.760 --> 0:23:13.400 this data. What they have to do is they hired 0:23:13.480 --> 0:23:17.840 some researchers down at Texas State University to go and 0:23:17.880 --> 0:23:20.960 do a Google News search of all things. But we 0:23:21.040 --> 0:23:24.080 don't know how many many millions of dollars they've spent 0:23:24.200 --> 0:23:27.280 on this. They won't say, but it's in the many 0:23:27.359 --> 0:23:31.840 millions of dollars. And they just seem to miss these 0:23:31.960 --> 0:23:36.400 one types of cases where civilians would have. 0:23:36.320 --> 0:23:37.560 Stopped these attacks. 0:23:38.280 --> 0:23:43.199 And you know, even when the Washington Post or others 0:23:43.240 --> 0:23:46.280 have reached out to the FBI with our lists to 0:23:46.440 --> 0:23:49.440 try to get them to say, you know, why aren't 0:23:49.480 --> 0:23:53.760 you including these, the FBI itself will not respond and 0:23:53.800 --> 0:23:58.159 will not explain this. When I was working in the 0:23:58.200 --> 0:24:02.360 Department of Justice, the FBI without really explaining anything other 0:24:02.400 --> 0:24:07.600 than acknowledging that their data wasn't complete. Basically, wouldn't even 0:24:07.680 --> 0:24:11.040 respond to people in the Department of Justice. They're be 0:24:11.240 --> 0:24:14.159 part of it was the fact that I was a 0:24:14.200 --> 0:24:17.560 political point who was going to be out when Trump 0:24:17.640 --> 0:24:21.720 left office in January twenty twenty one, and I think 0:24:21.760 --> 0:24:24.960 they just wanted to run out the clock rather than 0:24:25.000 --> 0:24:26.000 having to deal with it. 0:24:26.200 --> 0:24:28.800 Yeah, but we don't want an FBI that has anything 0:24:28.840 --> 0:24:33.240 to do with politics, do we. We've got far too 0:24:33.280 --> 0:24:36.760 much of that going on. But it just strikes me 0:24:36.880 --> 0:24:41.040 that if it is a worthwhile endeavor to catalog these 0:24:41.119 --> 0:24:46.440 crimes and look at the numbers that you're talking about, 0:24:46.720 --> 0:24:50.919 isn't it also worthwhile to have those numbers reflect the 0:24:50.960 --> 0:24:53.320 truth of the matter. And it just seems to me 0:24:53.480 --> 0:24:57.960 like that is a secondary consideration here. And you talked 0:24:57.960 --> 0:25:00.760 about the research and researching. That was one of the 0:25:00.800 --> 0:25:03.639 things I wanted to ask you when when you're looking 0:25:03.680 --> 0:25:08.000 at this through the Crime Prevention Research Center, how difficult 0:25:08.119 --> 0:25:12.280 is it to obtain this information? How how painstaking is 0:25:12.320 --> 0:25:16.680 this research to look at all these different events and 0:25:16.680 --> 0:25:18.600 and and get to the truth of the matter on 0:25:18.680 --> 0:25:19.399 these things. 0:25:20.320 --> 0:25:24.359 Well, it takes time, and you know, we've probably we 0:25:24.400 --> 0:25:27.520 haven't spent many millions of dollars on this, like the 0:25:29.160 --> 0:25:32.439 FBI spent on it. I mean, we've spent maybe tens 0:25:32.440 --> 0:25:37.120 of thousands of dollars on it. But even though we've 0:25:37.960 --> 0:25:40.560 haven't spent anywhere near as much, and I don't claim 0:25:40.600 --> 0:25:43.320 that I've found all the cases that they may have missed, 0:25:43.800 --> 0:25:47.720 but even with our much smaller budget, we found two 0:25:47.800 --> 0:25:52.159 hundred and two cases versus the fourteen that they claimed 0:25:52.160 --> 0:25:54.400 that they had found. But, you know, to get take 0:25:54.440 --> 0:25:57.960 kind of your earlier point, you know, why is this important? Well, 0:25:58.080 --> 0:26:01.840 I mean academics use this all the time for their research. 0:26:02.600 --> 0:26:06.000 You have news reports and piece that I wrote up 0:26:06.720 --> 0:26:10.399 referenced pieces from the New York Times and Marshton Post 0:26:10.480 --> 0:26:15.159 and associated press that had headlines based on this FBI 0:26:15.320 --> 0:26:20.360 data saying that, you know, people rarely use guns concealed 0:26:20.400 --> 0:26:25.119 carry to stop these active shooting attacks. You have court 0:26:25.160 --> 0:26:29.600 cases around the country that rely on this FBI data. 0:26:29.680 --> 0:26:34.760 You have legislative debates in places like the federal government 0:26:34.760 --> 0:26:38.880 in Washington to various state legislatures that go and deal 0:26:39.000 --> 0:26:41.200 with this. And you know, a lot of this has 0:26:41.280 --> 0:26:45.600 to do with things like gun free zones. You know, 0:26:46.640 --> 0:26:49.200 when you go through this and you see the large 0:26:49.280 --> 0:26:53.520 number of cases of active shooting cases, so mass public 0:26:53.560 --> 0:26:57.840 shootings are ones where four more people are killed. You know, 0:26:58.000 --> 0:27:01.080 what you find is about ninety two percent of mass 0:27:01.119 --> 0:27:04.960 public shootings occur in gun free zones. And it's not 0:27:05.040 --> 0:27:09.120 too surprising that the ones where you're seeing a lot 0:27:09.160 --> 0:27:12.720 of people killed keep on occurring in places where guns 0:27:12.720 --> 0:27:18.119 are banned. You know, anybody who has read the diaries 0:27:18.160 --> 0:27:22.440 and manifestos for these mass murderers, like the Catholic school 0:27:22.520 --> 0:27:28.360 shooter in Minneapolis in August, you know he writes explicitly 0:27:28.640 --> 0:27:32.360 in his manifesto, and he's not unique. On our website 0:27:32.359 --> 0:27:37.360 at crimeresearch dot org, we've recorded literally several dozen statements 0:27:37.440 --> 0:27:41.760 from these mass murderers over the years. I mean, he writes, quote, 0:27:41.960 --> 0:27:45.200 I recently heard a rumor that James Holmes, the Aurora 0:27:45.280 --> 0:27:48.560 theater shooter, may have chosen venues that were quote gun 0:27:48.680 --> 0:27:51.960 free zones end quote. I would probably aim the same way. 0:27:52.440 --> 0:27:56.199 Holmes wanted to make sure his victims would be unarmed. 0:27:56.640 --> 0:27:59.480 That's why I and many others like schools so much. 0:28:00.000 --> 0:28:02.800 At least for me, I am focused on them. Adam 0:28:02.880 --> 0:28:06.240 Lanza is my reason. Adam Anzo did the Sandy Hook killer. 0:28:06.400 --> 0:28:10.240