WEBVTT - 10-20-25 Sloan with Betsy Sunderman

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<v Speaker 1>Do you want to be an American Scott Floon Show

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<v Speaker 1>on seven hundred WLW. So we got some breaking news

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<v Speaker 1>to share with you this morning about crime in Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 1>Robert Shaw has now been charged in the murder with

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<v Speaker 1>that drive by shooting to kill the thirty four old

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<v Speaker 1>man by the name of Justin Johnson right after Thursday

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<v Speaker 1>night football. This is on Sycamore in front of the

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<v Speaker 1>in Between Tavern. Happened about two am, so people are

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<v Speaker 1>still downtown celebrating the Big Bengals when Shaw was wearing

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<v Speaker 1>an ankle monitor at the time. Does the story sound familiar? Sure?

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<v Speaker 1>And the reason why I was under a house arrest

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<v Speaker 1>so to speak, was carried concealed weapon, illegal gun possession

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<v Speaker 1>and here he is being held on that, being about

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<v Speaker 1>to go and trial on that, and now he's out

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<v Speaker 1>there doing it again. So initially he was released on

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<v Speaker 1>a twenty thousand dollars bond with the electronic monitoring that

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<v Speaker 1>was back in June. Also, the suspect in the Fountain

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<v Speaker 1>Square shooting last week has turned himself in. Twenty four

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<v Speaker 1>year old Shaquille Ferguson said it's self defense because the

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<v Speaker 1>people that he shot at through the window of Citty

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<v Speaker 1>Bird Chicken on Fountain Square were actually armed themselves and

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<v Speaker 1>pointing a gun at him. The only problem with that

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<v Speaker 1>argument from Clyde Bennett is that mister Ferguson was already

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<v Speaker 1>on probation in July for a violent crime, which means

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<v Speaker 1>he's under disability and shouldn't have had the gun that

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<v Speaker 1>he shot the window out and at the people to

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<v Speaker 1>the city Bird. So we're back to this question. Is

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<v Speaker 1>our probation and monitoring system completely broken and beyond repair?

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<v Speaker 1>On that is the honorable Betsy Sunderman, She's a judge

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<v Speaker 1>in Hamlin County, joining the show to discuss here on

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<v Speaker 1>seven hundred WLW.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you good morning? I'm great, how are you?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing final though you hear these stories, I'd love

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<v Speaker 1>to not be talking about violent crime in Cincinnati, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we have shoes dropping and now we know

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<v Speaker 1>the backgrounds of the individuals and jackets on Robert Shaw

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<v Speaker 1>and Shaquille Ferguson. You have two people yet again that

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<v Speaker 1>should not be armed by law, and yet there they are.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly, And if there's, if there are any issues

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<v Speaker 2>with probation monitoring right now, it is interesting for your

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<v Speaker 2>listeners to know who is in charge of the probation officers.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the judges. The judges hire the probation officers and

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<v Speaker 2>make sure they're doing their jobs. So if we're having

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<v Speaker 2>issues with probation monitoring, I mean, I haven't heard this

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<v Speaker 2>issue before in the past. And it's interesting. Now we

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<v Speaker 2>have a lot of Democrat judges who are in charge

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<v Speaker 2>of the probation department and that seems to be the

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<v Speaker 2>big change, and now we're not very happy with probation monitoring. So,

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<v Speaker 2>for example, about a month ago, the Democrat majority of

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<v Speaker 2>judges and Common Police Criminal Court decided to get rid

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<v Speaker 2>of some of these, well all of the probation substations.

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<v Speaker 2>So there used to be these substations in the most

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<v Speaker 2>violent neighborhood and people who are on probation could go

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<v Speaker 2>meet with those probation officers there, and the probation officers

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<v Speaker 2>could set up shop there and they could visit people

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<v Speaker 2>in their homes. But now the Democrat judges have gotten

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<v Speaker 2>rid of those and they said, well, it's more efficient

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<v Speaker 2>because now our probation officers can all be downtown. Well

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<v Speaker 2>that's true, maybe it's more efficient as far as you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they don't have to drive places, but they're not able

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<v Speaker 2>to monitor people.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, they're not in the community. So now they got

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<v Speaker 1>it a far further to monitor the people instead of

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<v Speaker 1>being in the neighborhood. It'd be kind of like just

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<v Speaker 1>having one big police station district one as opposed to

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<v Speaker 1>the multi different districts in and around Cincinnati. For cops,

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<v Speaker 1>you put them where the people in the crimes are exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>and if they're.

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<v Speaker 2>Visiting people in their homes, then people are picking up

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<v Speaker 2>more violations when the probation officers are seeing things in

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<v Speaker 2>their home. So of course the stats are going to

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<v Speaker 2>show a year from now that there are fewer probation violations.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's because the monitor monitoring is going to be subpar,

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<v Speaker 2>and as we see the monitoring get worse and worse,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to people out there offending. For example. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I really can't speak specifically to a case, but if

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<v Speaker 2>there's a case where someone, for example, is on the

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<v Speaker 2>ankle monitor but has privileges for something, sometimes it's hard

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<v Speaker 2>to monitor those privileges. So like let's say I was

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<v Speaker 2>on an ankle monitor and I had privileges to go

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<v Speaker 2>to work. Well, that's easy because I work at one

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<v Speaker 2>location and I work from the same time I start

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<v Speaker 2>and the same time I end every day. But a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people don't have jobs like that. A lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people, you know, maybe they work construction, or they

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<v Speaker 2>work at a hospital, or they work odd hours. And

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<v Speaker 2>how do you monitor someone when they always say, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I was on my way to a construction job.

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<v Speaker 1>Or in the cases this is Betsy Sunderman ferguson the

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<v Speaker 1>Fountain Square shoot at Teddy Bird. This young man has

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<v Speaker 1>a two cases pending for aggravated assault, both with a

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<v Speaker 1>weapon specification. There he shot someone two days prior, allegedly

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<v Speaker 1>a northside before he shot the window out in Fountain

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<v Speaker 1>Square and shout at the people there, And yet he

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<v Speaker 1>was on probation from the other one saying, hey, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>as long as you're out looking for a job, it's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that's a good idea. Turn your

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<v Speaker 1>application at City Bird and then turn around and shoot

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<v Speaker 1>their window out, albeit not to shoot at the bird's window,

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<v Speaker 1>shoot the people in the bird. But still, I'm pretty sure,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if I'm doing the hiring that kind of

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<v Speaker 1>behaviors frowned upon.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I guess it depends what kind of job they're

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<v Speaker 2>trying to book, but it's unlikely that that would meet

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<v Speaker 2>the job description. Right. But by having these rules that

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<v Speaker 2>seem really tough, but then not enforcing them properly, this

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<v Speaker 2>is the way that the politicians can say we're combating

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<v Speaker 2>crime but really doing nothing. For example, like the mayor

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<v Speaker 2>and his juvenile curfew. Whenever a juvenile either shoot someone

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<v Speaker 2>or get shot, he says, we're gonna tighten up this curfew.

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<v Speaker 2>But then if you look at the actual rules of

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<v Speaker 2>the juvenile curfew, if a child is out, if someone

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<v Speaker 2>under eighteen is out and they say that they're on

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<v Speaker 2>their way to work or on their way home from work,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't make them go home, or you can't violate

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<v Speaker 2>them for the curfew. If they say that they are

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<v Speaker 2>exercising their First Amendment rights, which could be the freedom

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<v Speaker 2>of speech, of assembly, they could freedom of the press, church.

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<v Speaker 1>They're on their way to church, Bessie when they shot

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<v Speaker 1>that person exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And then even if the kid says, you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not I have no exception that fits, then the police

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<v Speaker 2>all they can do is say, you know, we'd really

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<v Speaker 2>like you to go home, And if the kid says no,

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<v Speaker 2>then they'd say well, we'd really like you to go

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<v Speaker 2>to this, uh, this rec center, and if the kid

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<v Speaker 2>says no, they can't, they can't do anything. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>great that the mayor's on TV saying we're tightening up

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<v Speaker 2>this curfew. If if you're there and you're doing anything bad,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to rush you.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's just not playing out like that, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>Betsy Sunderman, Judge Sunderman, this yere on the show and

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about probation and monitoring systems. Are they broken

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<v Speaker 1>beyond repair? Robert Shaw, that was the man who's now

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<v Speaker 1>been charged the drive by shooting. They killed thirty fear

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<v Speaker 1>old Justin Johnson after Thursday night football right right near

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<v Speaker 1>the in between tavern on Thursday night Friday morning. He

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<v Speaker 1>was already out on a lot. He was wearing the

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<v Speaker 1>ankle monitor at the time he shot the individual in

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<v Speaker 1>the car. Justin Johnson form what I understand. People I

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<v Speaker 1>know knew this guy and said, yeah, he's a professional,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, seemed to be an upstanding guy who I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know why he and Robert Shaw got into a

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<v Speaker 1>beef and what was over. We don't know that. But

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<v Speaker 1>the background is not Justin Johnson is not a street criminal.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a professional, or was a professional before he was

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<v Speaker 1>murdered in the Shaquille Ferguson shooting at City Bird Chicken.

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<v Speaker 1>He was armed again, had priors, who's out on probation

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<v Speaker 1>for a violent crime, and he shot the window out

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<v Speaker 1>and trying to shoot at the people inside City Bird.

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<v Speaker 1>His attorney, Clyd Bennett cleim self defense. We'll see about that.

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<v Speaker 1>I do I'm not quite sure how that works within

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<v Speaker 1>the law. If you're prohibited from having a weapon because

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<v Speaker 1>you're on probation and you shoot at someone, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>quite sure that that is going to it's it's not

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<v Speaker 1>like ofsetting penalties in the NFL. And then you play

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<v Speaker 1>it over in that regard to Betsy sentiment though, And

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's interesting in pointing out, because we've talked

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<v Speaker 1>about the problem in its progressivism in Cincinnati, that that

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<v Speaker 1>that's fueling this it's because we want to hands off

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<v Speaker 1>no bail policy and we want to be kindler and

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<v Speaker 1>gentlemen with people who are suspected at crimes because their

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<v Speaker 1>life is already difficult, and well, it just gives the

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<v Speaker 1>sociopaths out there more license to do stuff like this.

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<v Speaker 1>I will point out, however, in both those cases in

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<v Speaker 1>Sean Ferguson, those are both conservative Republican judges that ordered

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<v Speaker 1>them on monitoring, and that would be Judge dink Locker

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<v Speaker 1>and Judge Ruleman. Does that change the math a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit on.

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<v Speaker 2>This, well, I'll tell you those are two of the

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<v Speaker 2>judges who give the biggest bombs. So without being able

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<v Speaker 2>to talk to I can't call them and ask them

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<v Speaker 2>about the case and then talk about it on the videos,

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<v Speaker 2>right right, But I would trust that those judges would

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<v Speaker 2>set appropriate bonds. There's a trifecta that kind of effects

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<v Speaker 2>every time someone's upset about someone being on parole or

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<v Speaker 2>probation and being out there and committing crimes. There's a

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<v Speaker 2>trifecta that affects all this. There's the police, there's the

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<v Speaker 2>probation department, and the judges. So the police are controlled by,

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<v Speaker 2>of course the police chief, who is controlled by the

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<v Speaker 2>city manager, who is ultimately controlled by the mayor. So

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<v Speaker 2>the police department is controlled by the mayor. And then

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<v Speaker 2>we have probation, which I already told you is controlled

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<v Speaker 2>by the judges, the now liberal Democrat judges. And then

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<v Speaker 2>we have the judges themselves, which are now a majority

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<v Speaker 2>Democrat liberal judges, so that basically the two groups that

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<v Speaker 2>are controlling all this is the mayor, the city manager,

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<v Speaker 2>the city administration, and the liberal judges. So if we're

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<v Speaker 2>seeing a big change, those are the big changes. Of course,

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<v Speaker 2>we've had a Democrat mayor for probably fifty years, right,

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<v Speaker 2>but the way the mayor is affecting the police department

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<v Speaker 2>is different than ever before. And then all having a

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<v Speaker 2>majority liberal, progressive Democrat judges is new for us in

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<v Speaker 2>Hamilton County.

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<v Speaker 1>Look look look at it. Look at how the mayor's

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<v Speaker 1>office impacted the brawl, and that he was demanding that

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<v Speaker 1>the white guy be charged because he's a white guy.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got to balance things out racially. Apparently, if yourest

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<v Speaker 1>a personal caller, you got aggressive white guy, even though

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<v Speaker 1>he was the victim. Clearly this whole thing, and no

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<v Speaker 1>one wanted to write that citation and unfortunately made a

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<v Speaker 1>captain down at the Central Business dictor to it who

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't even on the scene. To show you how politically

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<v Speaker 1>motivated those charges were. Just to appease the vocal contingent

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<v Speaker 1>of folks in the community who were screaming about restorative justice,

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<v Speaker 1>which is which is a farce. But relative to Robert Shaw,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. This may be a tough question you

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<v Speaker 1>neither answer to you can I understand you have a

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<v Speaker 1>canon of ethics you have to abide by. You can't

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<v Speaker 1>criticize other judges. But in the shawcase, this is a

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<v Speaker 1>drive by from Thursday night football in from the in

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<v Speaker 1>between that was under Judge Dinkelocker. The guy Robert Shaw

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<v Speaker 1>was on a twenty thousand dollars bond with electronic monitoring

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<v Speaker 1>and this was from a case back in June. His

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<v Speaker 1>jacket is this nineteen ninety eight six months in prison

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<v Speaker 1>for coke possession, two thousand and three six months for

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<v Speaker 1>concealed weapon, illegal guns, receiving Spoling Property RSP. And then

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eleven and then again in twenty fifteen he did

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<v Speaker 1>prison time for allegal gun possession. He got twenty thousand

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<v Speaker 1>dollars bond, an electronic monitoring out and murdered someone while

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<v Speaker 1>he was wearing the ankle monitor. What would you prescribe

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<v Speaker 1>what would you prescribe as a punishment for Robert Shaw?

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<v Speaker 1>If we're in front of you, let's say, and he

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<v Speaker 1>was already out on bond for another shooting. How many

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<v Speaker 1>more times do you give someone a chance to get

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<v Speaker 1>out on bond even though they have priors involving a weapon,

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<v Speaker 1>because it tells me they're probably just going to do

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<v Speaker 1>something with a gun.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, Yeah, I mean, what do you? I mean, what

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<v Speaker 2>do you do with someone who clearly is never going

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<v Speaker 2>to put down a gun? Right? I mean, this guy,

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<v Speaker 2>it sounds like you've been in prison quite a few

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<v Speaker 2>times for having guns. He just keeps he just keeps

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<v Speaker 2>picking up a gun, right. I mean, again, I can't

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<v Speaker 2>speak to this exact case, but I do trust judge

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<v Speaker 2>take a locker and if he set that bond, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I don't know. I can't really speak

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<v Speaker 2>to a specific case.

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<v Speaker 1>Well what were you? What would you've done? Now, again,

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<v Speaker 1>you have the hindsight that this guy's going to murder

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<v Speaker 1>someone over apparently it's just a beef. It doesn't look

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<v Speaker 1>like they knew each other at this point. We'll find out.

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<v Speaker 1>But what And you can't look in the crystal ball

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<v Speaker 1>and say, well, he's going to go out and murder someone.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't know that, because there are probably countless people

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<v Speaker 1>are in the situation that going out and do it.

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<v Speaker 1>But we're talking about stopping this from happening in the

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<v Speaker 1>first place. Should we just say, hey, listen, you alrighty

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<v Speaker 1>had a gun. Speck you go right to You're going

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<v Speaker 1>to hold you and you're not going to get out,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're not gonna be able to walk around. And

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<v Speaker 1>you decide to do something stupid with a gun and

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<v Speaker 1>you shouldn't have a gun. You're going to sit in

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<v Speaker 1>jail until your trial.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I mean I would want to look at

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<v Speaker 2>his pre trial services sheet. So every single person who's

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<v Speaker 2>arrested and put into the jail and has an arraignment

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<v Speaker 2>the next morning in front of a judge, a municipal

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<v Speaker 2>judge and pre trial services interviews the person and sees

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<v Speaker 2>if they're a flight risk, sees how much money they

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<v Speaker 2>could afford for a bond. They ask them a million

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<v Speaker 2>different questions about drugs and guns and family members and

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<v Speaker 2>community ties and do they have a job, that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of stuff. And the judge is able to look at

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<v Speaker 2>that sheet. The prosecutor is not able to look at

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<v Speaker 2>that sheet. I know that because I used to work

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<v Speaker 2>in that courtroom. One thing that we could do is

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<v Speaker 2>we could give everyone access to that information that might

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<v Speaker 2>be very helpful. I'm sure some of the new prosecutors

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<v Speaker 2>have different strategies than when I was a prosecutor there

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<v Speaker 2>because now they have a different boss. So I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, giving everyone maximum information and maybe giving the

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<v Speaker 2>media more information. I know the media doesn't see those

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<v Speaker 2>pre trial services sheets. I'm not saying those should be

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<v Speaker 2>turned over to the media, but usually that docket is

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<v Speaker 2>very rapid, and the media kind of leaves confused, like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>why did one person get a low bond and one

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<v Speaker 2>person get a high bond? Right, So maybe making some

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<v Speaker 2>of that more accessible.

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<v Speaker 1>Why isn't I shared with the prosecutor if anyone else.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know. It's a good question. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I should know that, but then it should be shared

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<v Speaker 2>with the defense attorney. If you can't share something just

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<v Speaker 2>with a prosecutor and not the defense attorneys discovery, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. Maybe there's no time. I mean it's a

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<v Speaker 2>very quick docket. I mean, it's probably not as quick

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<v Speaker 2>as it used to be because we not as many

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<v Speaker 2>people are arrested because there aren't that many people in

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<v Speaker 2>our jail at any more.

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<v Speaker 1>But what I remember wasn't long ago under Sheriff Simon LEAs,

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<v Speaker 1>and I know he's revered this community. I think there's

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<v Speaker 1>something he did was way overreaching. I mean, like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>but he was tough on crime for sure. And I

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<v Speaker 1>remember having, you know, discussions about we need a bigger jail,

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<v Speaker 1>we need more jail space because we can't house all

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<v Speaker 1>the people. You don't hear that conversation anymore, and that was, like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, fifteen years ago, twenty years ago, it's simply

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<v Speaker 1>because we're not holding people anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Twenty years ago, sy Lease used to meet with

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<v Speaker 2>all the judges and say, listen, we are bursting at

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<v Speaker 2>the themes. I'm going to have to create some new

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<v Speaker 2>work details and things so we can let the least

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<v Speaker 2>violent people out earlier. And the judges would respond, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>do what you need to do. We're going to do

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<v Speaker 2>what we need to do. You know, we're not going

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<v Speaker 2>to change our sentences. But you know, if you don't

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<v Speaker 2>have room, you got to do what you need to do.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't imagine that conversation is happening now where the

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<v Speaker 2>sheriff is saying, we don't have any room here, right.

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<v Speaker 2>But even if we did try to arrest another two

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<v Speaker 2>hundred people to fill up the jail. We don't have

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<v Speaker 2>sheriff's deputies, we don't have enough corrections officers. Police officers

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<v Speaker 2>have told me when they arrest juveniles now and they

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<v Speaker 2>bring them to juvenile jail at twenty twenty, we call

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<v Speaker 2>it twenty twenty. Auburn Avenue that most often twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>just says we're not going to keep them. We just

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<v Speaker 2>don't have enough employees. We just can't keep them. Yeah, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Is it a policy issue? Is it

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<v Speaker 2>a staffing issue. Is it people are vilifying police correction

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<v Speaker 2>officers and then no one wants to do it, and

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<v Speaker 2>then that's fulfill the plan to be understaffed and to

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<v Speaker 2>not be able to lock people up. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>If you look at the climate and CPD right now,

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<v Speaker 1>we've got a huge number of officers retiring, even at

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<v Speaker 1>early ages because they can't stand all the politics and

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<v Speaker 1>the bs and what the mayor's office and how much

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<v Speaker 1>control they have and how their hands are tied in

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of cases, and they go to a suburban

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<v Speaker 1>office or trying to do a latter recruiting, And I

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<v Speaker 1>understand it's difficult because people go, well, the money's good,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know what, I on the job in Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd rather stay where I am. It's not attractive to

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<v Speaker 1>them because the climate created by the political ecosystem in

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<v Speaker 1>Hamlin County, but specifically in the city of Cincinnati. She

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<v Speaker 1>is a judge, Betsy Senderman, who's running for office. The

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<v Speaker 1>cycle will know in a couple of weeks if she wins.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's it's a tough job. But we've got to

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<v Speaker 1>reform this system because ankle monitor the grant and there

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<v Speaker 1>are probably thousands and thousands of people out there that

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<v Speaker 1>abide by the terms of the deal they made with

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<v Speaker 1>the judge and are trying to do the right thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But how do we segregate the most violent people? And

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<v Speaker 1>I'd say, if you have a gun specification history of

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<v Speaker 1>priors with guns like this Robert schaugu I did, then

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<v Speaker 1>I don't understand why we're giving you house arrest essentially

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<v Speaker 1>because chances are you're going to break it. I think,

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<v Speaker 1>if it's a gun speck, we already have laws in

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<v Speaker 1>the books. Let's enforce federal law that if you're prohibited

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<v Speaker 1>because of a felony prior felony from owning a fire arm,

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<v Speaker 1>possessing a firearm. Then you go to jail right away

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<v Speaker 1>and there is no release, there is no ankle monitoring

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<v Speaker 1>going on, because you're a menace to society. Betsy Sunderban,

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<v Speaker 1>I always appreciate the time and the insight. Thanks again.

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<v Speaker 1>You have a wonderful day.

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<v Speaker 2>Judge Clownix, I like it.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I'm not going back to school. You ain't gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get me there. Hell no, I'm not taking out more

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<v Speaker 1>student loans. I'm I'm on the wrong side of fifty

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<v Speaker 1>and I just finished paying mine off. Betsy, Oh the best,

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<v Speaker 1>take care, see you later.

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<v Speaker 2>All right.

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<v Speaker 1>We got a news update coming in momentarily and we'll

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<v Speaker 1>chop it up next about what you just shared here.

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<v Speaker 1>Surprise surprise, guys out on ankle monitors and house arrest

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<v Speaker 1>and they're out shooting people.

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<v Speaker 2>This is what this is.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the government we deserve because we elected them

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<v Speaker 1>seven hundred w Well them