WEBVTT - 12-1-25 Sloan with Rea Hederman

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<v Speaker 1>You want to be an Amfican.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, it's a great return after the big stuffing

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<v Speaker 2>sloany here seven hundred ww you welcome to it, and

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<v Speaker 2>welcome to the cold. And with that cold means energy

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<v Speaker 2>demand is starting to peak again. And we take it

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<v Speaker 2>for granted because we have this little thing called a

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<v Speaker 2>thermostat and we set it and we don't you know, here,

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<v Speaker 2>kick on you. Oh, thank goodness, we've got some heat

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<v Speaker 2>and you really don't think about it until you get

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<v Speaker 2>the bill. And the reason why we get the bills

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<v Speaker 2>as high as they are is because of demand. So

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<v Speaker 2>the surge is driven by well, look look around us

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<v Speaker 2>or Butler County, Columbus. Right, we've got these data centers

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<v Speaker 2>going up.

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<v Speaker 1>AI. We have electrification of vehicles.

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty percent of all new car sales are either hybrid

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<v Speaker 2>or the nine percent are just full of evs. Heat

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<v Speaker 2>pump sales are going up. That's your air conditioning and heating.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a heat pump now. And six out of ten

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<v Speaker 2>heating installations here in Ohio are heat pumps. And so

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<v Speaker 2>we're especially vulnerable things like brownouts because the supply doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>meet the capacity in them. So the buck guy Institute's

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<v Speaker 2>tasked with working with the US Department of Energy on

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<v Speaker 2>solutions for this, and Ray Hedderman is here once again

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<v Speaker 2>to discuss Ray.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome back, Hi Ben, I'm doing well, Scott, Thank you

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<v Speaker 3>for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>All Right, that's the thirty thousand foot view down to

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<v Speaker 2>Earth here. What's really driving this whole thing? But I'd

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<v Speaker 2>imagine part of this has to do with innovation is

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<v Speaker 2>the regulatory barriers. Typically with energy, we see a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, absolutely, I mean, let's just recap what's happened. Normally,

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<v Speaker 3>energy projects take a long time to build out, and

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<v Speaker 3>energy demand was flat, so you're not going to go

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<v Speaker 3>out and you're not going to build a whole bunch

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<v Speaker 3>of new power plants if you're not expecting customers. Then

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<v Speaker 3>all of a sudden, the last few years, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>artificial intelligence. Everybody has phones, people are looking at Instagram, Facebook,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, using AI. AI takes about ten times as

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<v Speaker 3>much power today to get that answer as a Google

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<v Speaker 3>question ten years ago. So energy demand is skyrocketing and

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<v Speaker 3>so now we need those data centers. The problem is, Scott,

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<v Speaker 3>regulatory regulations have made it so painful to build energy

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<v Speaker 3>power plants that we're simply not getting electricity online fast enough.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's where we're going to see start seeing power spikes,

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<v Speaker 3>potential brownouts. We're actually seeing data centers being told no,

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<v Speaker 3>you can't be built because we don't have enough energy

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<v Speaker 3>to meet the needs. What we've done at the Buckeye

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<v Speaker 3>Institute is work with state lallmakers and now we're working

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<v Speaker 3>with federal regulators to say this is what needs to

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<v Speaker 3>be happen so we can build the electricity to keep

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<v Speaker 3>electricity affordable and reliable.

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<v Speaker 2>How I just also has to do with the political

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<v Speaker 2>whipso of Washington, DC. Whereas you had Trump We're going

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<v Speaker 2>to do the Keystone XL pipeline. Great, we're gonna roll

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<v Speaker 2>that thing out, and then Biden comes along says, no,

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<v Speaker 2>we're not doing it anymore. Now Trumst's bag at office

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<v Speaker 2>wile we're going to start doing it again.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you know you've seen that. You've seen like the

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<v Speaker 3>Trump administration saying hey, we're going to close intermittent energy.

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<v Speaker 3>You've had Democrats saying we're going to phase out coal plants.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean the last year the Biden administration, they said

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<v Speaker 3>we're going to eliminate basically make it almost impossible for

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<v Speaker 3>coal and natural gas plants to operate. That's why you

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<v Speaker 3>know pjm Our energy grid that Ohio shares with a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of other Blue states on the Atlantic Ocean. Dave

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<v Speaker 3>Yost many other states sued the federal government saying, you

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<v Speaker 3>can't do this because if you're turning off coal plants

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<v Speaker 3>are twilling off solar plants, where's our electricity going to

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<v Speaker 3>come from? That's dependable. I mean, if you look outside

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<v Speaker 3>Ohio right here in central Ohio, it's not an uncommon

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<v Speaker 3>December day, right, it's great, the sun doesn't shine as much.

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<v Speaker 3>Solar is great for some states, it's not ideal for

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<v Speaker 3>the state of Ohio and scott The other thing that's

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<v Speaker 3>happened is you've had a lot of other states that

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<v Speaker 3>have made a big deal, like New Jersey. Again, we

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<v Speaker 3>share the energy grew with New Jersey. They destroyed their

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<v Speaker 3>coal plants, that destroyed natural gas, and they based it

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<v Speaker 3>all on optional wind and intermittent injury sources. But those

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<v Speaker 3>simply don't have the same reliability or produce the same

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<v Speaker 3>amount of base load power, and so now do New Jersey.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of other states have found themselves in an

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<v Speaker 3>energy crisis. And are scrambling to meet the growing demand.

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<v Speaker 2>Ray if you travel through well the central part of

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<v Speaker 2>the state where you are, but up north a little bit,

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<v Speaker 2>or to drive Indianapolis to Chicago, you see a ton

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<v Speaker 2>of wind farms, a lot of turbines out there. But

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<v Speaker 2>as good as that, as fine as this is, how

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<v Speaker 2>much of energy productions? That represent what percent?

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<v Speaker 3>I thought them five percent? In the state of Ohio. Look,

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<v Speaker 3>we get most of our stuff from natural gas. Historically,

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<v Speaker 3>Ohio has been a coal heavy steak. Coal produced the

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<v Speaker 3>majority of Ohio's electricity into the last ten years when

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<v Speaker 3>natural gas, you know, you being able to tap into

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<v Speaker 3>the shell crescent, has taken the place. So we get

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<v Speaker 3>most of our energy from natural gas, coal, nuclear, and

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<v Speaker 3>then it falls down the solar and wind. And again

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<v Speaker 3>you know that's true for a lot of states, particularly

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<v Speaker 3>on those of us east of the Mississippi. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>we get a lot from natural gas nuclear. And what

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<v Speaker 3>we're seeing right now again is, you know, because of

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<v Speaker 3>the spike, people are scrambling to get power online. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>a Microsoft, for example, has investing hundreds of millions of

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<v Speaker 3>dollars to re open three Mile Island nuclear power plant.

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<v Speaker 3>That tells you what businesses are looking at when they

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<v Speaker 3>see the demand for future energy production and what they

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<v Speaker 3>need to do. And really what needs to happen is

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<v Speaker 3>Washington needs to say, Okay, why are we not seeing

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<v Speaker 3>power plants come online? We see prices are increasing. You

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<v Speaker 3>open up your electricity bill, you know, you know when

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<v Speaker 3>it's time to rebid, you're going to be facing higher

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<v Speaker 3>electricity prices. So why aren't we seeing more production being built?

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<v Speaker 3>And part of it comes back to those regulatory barriers,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the blocks that are at the local level,

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<v Speaker 3>state level, federal level lawsuits for environmental review those have

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<v Speaker 3>all created a massive choke point that means that we're

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<v Speaker 3>really facing a deficit and electricity production that is choking

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<v Speaker 3>out the growing economy.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean you mentioned the environmental reviews. How much does

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<v Speaker 2>that bogg the process down?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you know, you take a look at there's so

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<v Speaker 3>many album and what you're seeing is nif the environmental

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<v Speaker 3>review that by the way, people on both the left

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<v Speaker 3>and right are saying, hey, this is not meant to

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<v Speaker 3>be a weapon to slow things down. We've seen that

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<v Speaker 3>being able to slow those productions down for years. That's

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<v Speaker 3>the National Environmental Policy Act about four and a half years,

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<v Speaker 3>slowing down from the review connections. And so you know

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<v Speaker 3>what happens, Scott is the way regulations work is they

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<v Speaker 3>move in sequence. Right. It's kind of like a to train, right,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, one car starts moving, the next car, the

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<v Speaker 3>next car, the next car. So if you take you know,

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<v Speaker 3>a year at the local level, a year at the

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<v Speaker 3>state level, a year at the federal level, you're taking

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<v Speaker 3>four and a half years or some environmental reviews. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>you can sit there and be taking your six plus

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<v Speaker 3>years for some big power plants to be built. And

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<v Speaker 3>we've seen action take at the state level, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>With House Bill fifteen, Ohio is saying, look, we need

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<v Speaker 3>to speed this up. We need to make sure that

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<v Speaker 3>regulators have only a certain amount of time to review

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<v Speaker 3>so they can't delayies in those projects. And we'd like

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<v Speaker 3>to see the same thing done at the federal level,

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<v Speaker 3>because I mean, at least we can still build things

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<v Speaker 3>here in Ohio. Other states that have more state regulations,

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<v Speaker 3>like California, New Jersey, for example, they can't build anything

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<v Speaker 3>because people were able to block production using these rules

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<v Speaker 3>using lawsuits, which means electricity prices are going to remain high.

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<v Speaker 2>Ry Hetterman's here Buckeye Institute working with the US Department

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<v Speaker 2>of Energy and Solutions to fast track improving our infrastructure

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<v Speaker 2>and power supply because we are near at peak demand

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<v Speaker 2>and you know with the winter months here too, we

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<v Speaker 2>also have data centers and the light going online. The

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<v Speaker 2>demand for electricity is greater than ever, and yet the

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<v Speaker 2>infrastructure is way behind. We've often talked about brownouts and

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<v Speaker 2>blackouts that have happened at West and it's and it's

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I don't know how close we are, but

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<v Speaker 2>they say, certainly the Midwest ray is very vulnerable to

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<v Speaker 2>this because of those data centers are going online at

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<v Speaker 2>record numbers. These are like small towns, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>most people don't understand just how much energy one of

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<v Speaker 2>these data centers requires.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Absolutely, you know, It's basically you can sit there

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<v Speaker 3>and say, look, you know, one of these data centers

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<v Speaker 3>can consume more energy than the Manhattan right in New

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<v Speaker 3>York City, And so that just kind of called everybody

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<v Speaker 3>by surprise, and so they're saying what can be done. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, one of the things that we again that

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<v Speaker 3>Hospital fifteen did that I'm a big fan of, is

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<v Speaker 3>what we call behind the and what that means is

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<v Speaker 3>if you're building a data center, you can actually build

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<v Speaker 3>your own power plants, you know, to directly power your business.

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<v Speaker 3>You can fast track that through the regulatory process and

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<v Speaker 3>be able to power your own business. And that's kind

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<v Speaker 3>of what we want to see the market working. We've

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<v Speaker 3>seen some of those basically power plants be approved. One

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<v Speaker 3>was approved just before Thanksgiving. I think those type of

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<v Speaker 3>solutions right where businesses working together, maybe they're going to

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<v Speaker 3>share a power plant with another business. Those are the

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<v Speaker 3>type of solutions that are going to get us out

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<v Speaker 3>of this crisis and help us move ahead because relying

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<v Speaker 3>on the way we've been doing things simply doesn't work. Scott,

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<v Speaker 3>to give you an idea, just very quickly, there are

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<v Speaker 3>one hundred and ninety seven thousands power requests to pjm

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<v Speaker 3>Ohio's grid. One hundred and ninety seven thousand by somebody

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<v Speaker 3>who wants to generate power to connect to the PGM grid.

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<v Speaker 3>To PJAM doesn't have enough personnel to get through them.

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<v Speaker 3>And part of the problem is, you know, these are

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<v Speaker 3>everything from five megawatts solar and whim smaller production plants,

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<v Speaker 3>but that takes the same amount of power, has a

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<v Speaker 3>two hundred and fifty megawatt natural gas plant. So, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we have a lot of requests that are going online.

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<v Speaker 3>People are gaining the system, flogging it up, and so

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<v Speaker 3>we just need a way to cut through prioritize better

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<v Speaker 3>which power plants are going to deliver reliable energy to

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<v Speaker 3>keep prices load for consumers, to keep light time for businesses.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that makes a lot of sense if you've

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<v Speaker 2>private interested. Hey, you know what, we'll build our own

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<v Speaker 2>infrastructure here. The hell with you guys. What kind of

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<v Speaker 2>power plants are we're seeing going online?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Sure, so right now, we've seen a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>natural gas here in Ohio work and moving forward on that.

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<v Speaker 3>You've also seen some renewable behind the meter as well,

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<v Speaker 3>you know. I mean people sometimes will drive by you

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<v Speaker 3>might see a big windmill at a car dealership, for example,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, trying to produce power on site to deliver

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<v Speaker 3>to those businesses. Other states are starting to see experiments

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<v Speaker 3>with small nuclear power plants. Again. You know, I mentioned Microsoft,

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<v Speaker 3>for example, investing in reopening Three Mile Island for the

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<v Speaker 3>benefit of Microsoft by themselves. Other companies are also contracting

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<v Speaker 3>to build a smaller nuclear power plants using hydro using

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<v Speaker 3>geothermal energy. You know, there's a lot of ways to

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<v Speaker 3>be able to get electricity in businesses or reacting the

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<v Speaker 3>way you'd expect them to do. What makes the most sense,

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<v Speaker 3>what's the most cost competitive, and where my business is located.

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<v Speaker 3>And so that's what the beauty of what we see

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<v Speaker 3>kind of free enterprise working out is coming up with

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<v Speaker 3>solutions and trying not to burden rate payers. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>that's what we want to make sure is that we

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<v Speaker 3>have affordable energy and businesses aren't taking advantage of rate

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<v Speaker 3>payers and hopefully not you know, seeking out special tax breaks.

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<v Speaker 3>It would be great to roll back some tax and

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<v Speaker 3>centers handout to big industry, big utilities, big tech along

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<v Speaker 3>the way to make sure taxes are low, energy prices

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<v Speaker 3>are kept affordable.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, Ray, it makes a lot of sense. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a big proponent of these small nuclear plants, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think, you know, once again, it's a great example

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<v Speaker 2>of how private industry will lead the way and solve

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<v Speaker 2>the problems that government can't. For those who believe in

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<v Speaker 2>government solving all problems, well, there you go. There they're

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<v Speaker 2>actually standing in the way. Are there going to be

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<v Speaker 2>some trials tribulations, heartbreaks, accidents, etcetera.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, there always is.

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<v Speaker 2>When it comes to technology, sadly, but that's part of

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<v Speaker 2>the learning and growing experience as long as those responsible

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<v Speaker 2>are held to a standard. That said, though, I think

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<v Speaker 2>this is the advent of new power generation, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think about you know, some of the like Microsoft reopening

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<v Speaker 2>through Mile Island, or smaller like suitcase type of nuke

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<v Speaker 2>facilities or machines that produce enough energy to fire a plant.

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<v Speaker 2>But it also is hoped to typical America. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>imagine the day where and I don't know if it

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<v Speaker 2>will be in our lifetime, but imagine that the technology

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<v Speaker 2>gets so good you just buy one of these power

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<v Speaker 2>units on Amazon, they ship it to you, You PLoP

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<v Speaker 2>it in like a battery, and it lasts probably longer

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<v Speaker 2>than you're alive, and then you know, it goes back

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<v Speaker 2>to the recycling center and what they do with they

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<v Speaker 2>spent phil Rodgs is yet to be determined. But nonetheless,

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<v Speaker 2>it seems like neighborhoods Hoa's small towns will have their

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<v Speaker 2>own many nuclear plant to power or we may just

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<v Speaker 2>have one in our own house in fifty years.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, Scott, that's exactly right. I mean you're

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<v Speaker 3>looking at the space talking to people involved in these businesses,

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<v Speaker 3>both from producers and high energy consumers. There's a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of innovation that's going on through private enterprise. People saying, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what, let's try to use gia thermal right

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<v Speaker 3>out less where it makes her sense. You know, given

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<v Speaker 3>the geology out there. You know, they're actually experimenting drilling

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<v Speaker 3>down to the Earth's cross being able to tie about

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<v Speaker 3>some of that geothermal energy. That's a great solution for

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<v Speaker 3>some of those companies, you know, small neuclear reactors. You

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<v Speaker 3>are seeing more businesses pulling together and basically forming micro

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<v Speaker 3>grids you know, behind the meter. That a way to say, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>let's go on our own power sources so we don't

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<v Speaker 3>have to wait a couple of years to go through

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<v Speaker 3>the PJAM regulations. That's the type of innovation I think

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<v Speaker 3>that has really made this country great. That's why I'm

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<v Speaker 3>really optimistic about the future because we know what the

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<v Speaker 3>need is, we know the demands there, businesses know what

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<v Speaker 3>they need to do to power themselves, and we have

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<v Speaker 3>a solution for the future. You know, we can sit there,

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<v Speaker 3>work together, innovate development these things and really keep America

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<v Speaker 3>moving forward. And I look at the opposite end of

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<v Speaker 3>the spectrum right again. I looked to Europe where a

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<v Speaker 3>few years ago, you know, they came out and said,

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<v Speaker 3>we can't compete with the United States because our electricity

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<v Speaker 3>prices are so unaffordable. You know, German MENUF factoring has

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<v Speaker 3>fallen off a clock because electricity is so important to

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<v Speaker 3>the manufacturing sector. Europe made terrible policy choices by trying

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<v Speaker 3>to regulate this market. I am thankful that here in Ohio,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we're making different choices, moving to remove regulations

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<v Speaker 3>on businesses, to encourage innovation, to encourage investment, to try

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<v Speaker 3>to boost energy so to keep prices lower.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, but in Ohio even will the bureaucracy and will

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<v Speaker 2>the status quo machine keep this from moving forward?

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<v Speaker 3>I you know, Scott, I'm optimistic, I think because we're

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<v Speaker 3>already seeing this working again. You know, we've seen a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of billion dollars behind the meter projects already move forward. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>So these private businesses are putting their money where their

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<v Speaker 3>hopes are. That's what I'm looking at again. The Public

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<v Speaker 3>Utilities Commission of Ohio is approving some of these projects

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<v Speaker 3>are all going to be private behind the meter to

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<v Speaker 3>power some of these data centers, to power some of

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<v Speaker 3>these manufacturing I think Ohio is building a model that

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<v Speaker 3>should be emulated copied by other states. You know, we're

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<v Speaker 3>able to take advantage of it, and if federal regulators

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<v Speaker 3>can move faster, that'll be better for us as well.

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<v Speaker 3>But HP fifteen, I think is a really good piece

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<v Speaker 3>of legislation that is encouraging a lot of private enterprise.

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<v Speaker 3>And again, you know, reading from the news reports, reading

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<v Speaker 3>the filings before the Public Utilities Commission, there's billions of

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<v Speaker 3>dollars of private investment that's taking place right now thanks

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<v Speaker 3>to HP fifteen, allowing businesses to power up more quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, He's ray headed been to the Buckeye Institute

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<v Speaker 2>working with the Department of Energy on solutions to solve

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<v Speaker 2>our power crisis.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's looming. It really is.

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<v Speaker 2>Imagine a day like, for example, Class of twenty twenty five, Ray,

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<v Speaker 2>you show them a picture of a flat circular thing

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<v Speaker 2>with a hole in the middle. It's kind of translucent,

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<v Speaker 2>and they don't know what that. It's called a compact

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<v Speaker 2>disc Imagine Class of twenty one, twenty five, when you

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<v Speaker 2>show them a picture of a utility poll with all

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<v Speaker 2>those wires out, and I go, what the hell is that?

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<v Speaker 2>Hopefully that, hopefully that's what the future is here at

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<v Speaker 2>the Buckey's date.

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<v Speaker 1>All the best, buddy, Thanks.

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<v Speaker 3>Again, take a lot, Scott, always a pleasure.

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<v Speaker 1>Take care of.

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