1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: Well, who didn't see this coming. I don't know how 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: many times we have discussed the potential ramifications of the 3 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: ongoing broad round up, the usual suspects approach of the 4 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: current administration, And when we have discussed it, we've said, 5 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:35,919 Speaker 1: something bad is going to happen. It is uncanny, GUARDSI 6 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: is it not that it keeps happening here? It's astonishing 7 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: to think the degree to which we have been anything 8 00:00:48,120 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: but flyover country regarding a number of sad inexcusable, tragic stories. Correct, 9 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 1: it's us again. We are going to be for a 10 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: while now the center of the political universe. You know. 11 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time on yesterday's edition of 12 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 1: the Bumper to Bumper program Barrera and Guards you with 13 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: you till six thirty tonight. I think being pretty tough, 14 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: very tough on the walls administration regarding his own victimization tour, 15 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: deflection Olympics, as I called them yesterday. I stand by 16 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:37,639 Speaker 1: all of that. So the job, though, I like to think, 17 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 1: and we all have our biases, we all have our predispositions, 18 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 1: one could say, but the job today is to try 19 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: to not only follow the story, but follow the ramifications 20 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: of the story. Which and so that's that's two tracks 21 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: for me. There's exactly what happened in this case, not 22 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: how you feel in general about ice, about the president's approach. 23 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: And by the way, that's the other track. But the 24 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: first track is whatever you may think, whatever your preconceived 25 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: notions are, they should not dictate how we followed, in 26 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: my view, follow the story about what specifically happened here 27 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: and what do we make of what is undeniably a tragedy. 28 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: That's one track. And as I said, we've learned this 29 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: over and over again on pretty much every story involving 30 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 1: police in this town. People decide instantly, no matter what 31 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 1: evidence later shows, no matter what new information that maybe 32 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: we didn't have access to, no matter what video of 33 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: a different angle that we didn't have in the beginning, 34 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: no matter how many times eyewitnesses have been proven to 35 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: be extremely faulty and erroneous in what they said they saw, 36 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: it's yep, have at it. And that's the challenge here. 37 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: Can we rise above that at all for a minute 38 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: as we try to piece this thing together? Hard to do, man, 39 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: I get it. It's a performative world, culturally speaking and 40 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: media wise that we live in, right now that's the 41 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: extent of it, and so the people misinterpret they go, well, 42 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: you've got to go after this hard immediately from the 43 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: first moment you crack the microphone, and we may or 44 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: I may disappoint you in that regard. I will take 45 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: some guidance from some of my guests today. I will 46 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: certainly listen to some of our guests today, including former 47 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: Saint Club police chief Blair Anderson, who's scheduled to join 48 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: us at about four point thirty today. Andy Luger, former 49 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: US A term Andy is scheduled for four fifty five, 50 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:04,119 Speaker 1: And originally we were going to be talking more about 51 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: Governor Wall's decision yesterday, but I'm hoping we get into 52 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: some of this subject as well. In fact, I think 53 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: last time he was in studio we did and we 54 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: had that discussion about we're headed to a bad end 55 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: here regarding these ice sweeps. You've got a violatal mixture, 56 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: do you not. You have a president of the United 57 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 1: States who decides his approach instead of being very nuanced 58 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 1: and precise. It's the Somalis. Are you know? They book 59 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 1: will look with the nation they come from. Dirty. Isn't 60 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 1: that the term he used? One of them among among them. 61 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: So what that does is it gets people's understandably their 62 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: backs up, going, well, this is what we're dealing with here. 63 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: So then they do get angry, maybe they do decide 64 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 1: to show up when they hear that there's one of 65 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 1: these sweeps going on. Regardless of who you're the the 66 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 1: the ice agents are attempting to get whatever the case 67 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 1: may be. That's the recipe for disaster. Somebody makes the 68 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: wrong move, somebody overreacts. We're going to get into all 69 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 1: of that with the As I said with Blair regarding 70 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: his view as a law enforcement officer, and he's seen 71 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: some of the videos so far, like a lot of 72 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: people have it, I will say this and this is 73 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: I can't prove this, but I'm gonna say it, just 74 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: like there's a lot of things yesterday, I really couldn't 75 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: prove about why I thought the Walls approach was embarrassing, 76 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: This victimization tour he's been going on. I can't prove it, 77 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 1: but that's my belief on the basis of his behavior 78 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: over a period of time. And by the way, we 79 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 1: didn't know the half of it. We were quoting from 80 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 1: Fox nine guy yesterday, Seth kaplan about a new report 81 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 1: that I had was not even aware of regarding more fraud. 82 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: In another case, it just goes on and on and on. 83 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: That story doesn't go away, nor should it go away. 84 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:21,359 Speaker 1: But there's a part of me that absolutely, one hundred 85 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:26,919 Speaker 1: percent believes whether he he might be able to the 86 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: president might be able. You know, if you did the 87 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: cliche about strapping him to a polygraph, would his real 88 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: feelings be be revealed? Maybe not With him, he might 89 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: be able to be He might be one of the 90 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:47,359 Speaker 1: guys who could beat the machine. But do you know 91 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: what I believe. I believe he revels in this outcome. 92 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: I absolutely believe that there is no remorse. It's almost like, 93 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: well they because when you approach it the way they've 94 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: approached it, you know you're playing with fire because there 95 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: isn't anything precise about what you're doing. So in my mind, 96 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: deep down, yeah, come on, come on, we're ready. We'll shoot. 97 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: When to getting away, we'll shoot, We'll kill you. There 98 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: will not be and so no one will say that 99 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: out loud, obviously, but I honestly believe there is no trepidation. 100 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: There was no fear and loathing about anybody going to 101 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: the President in these meetings and saying, man, it's a 102 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: recipe for disaster, and we prepare for that. Yeah, bring 103 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: it on, Bring it on. I don't think there's any all. 104 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: You know, is it Christy Gnome? Is that her name? Yeah, 105 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 1: she's already tried the case. She's already tried the case. 106 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: So did the Mayor of Minneapolis and Governor Walls to 107 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: an extent. Gounor Walls didn't go as far. He did 108 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: go out with the old app active investigation. But the mayor, 109 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: you'd think, after this time and what he's dealt with, 110 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: no matter what he might be thinking, he'd realize his position. 111 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: So on both ends of the equation, on both determinations 112 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: had already been made. That serves nobody's interest as far 113 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: as I'm concerned. On the first day that it happens, 114 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: and you know, I walked in here. Look, no, this 115 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: isn't about me, obviously. This is about a tragedy in 116 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: which a thirty seven year old woman is dead. That's 117 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: the story. And coming to grips with it and finding 118 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: out where that investigation is going to go. But I 119 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: got to tell you, and my guess is, there's a 120 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: lot of people in this town who are just weary, 121 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: you know, because part of our job is, Okay, this 122 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: is what we do. We react to stuff. That's sort 123 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: of why you're in this business. I didn't want to 124 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 1: react to it today. If I could have gotten away 125 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: without reacting to it today, I would have. It's exhausted. 126 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: That's the word for it. It's exhausting. And you just say, 127 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: how many times are are we as a as a 128 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 1: market going to be in this position? To the degree 129 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: that we do so, we'll attempt to follow the stories 130 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: because I do think there's two tracks. There's exactly precisely 131 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: what happened in this case and how it should be 132 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: pursued and adjudicated, et cetera. And then there's the larger question, 133 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 1: which again I'm not the only one who said it, 134 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: a lot of people did. Could anybody possibly be surprised 135 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 1: at this outcome? That this was inevitable? In fact, there 136 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: was a case in Chicago where I believe a US 137 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: citizen got shot that had been detained, and I believe 138 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: he survived. But inevitably it was going to be a fatality, 139 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: was it not that it was going to be worse? 140 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 1: It is stunning that that inevitability takes place here in 141 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: this community that's been through various items, through that sort 142 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: of meat grinder that brings all sorts of national attention 143 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: to us again, the kind of national attention that I 144 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: don't really think any of us are particularly interested in. 145 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: I will be rebooting the Bradshawn Brian caffe in text 146 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 1: line six four six eighty six, but I will caution 147 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: you this might this may be a day where I 148 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: don't read a single text I'd support that I'd support 149 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: maybe one of those days, I don't even think you 150 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: need to reboot it. Maybe I shouldn't. Maybe that's the answer. 151 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: You don't today, because we've got this system where I've 152 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,319 Speaker 1: got to hit this very get this verification code to 153 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: get really even back into it. And that none of 154 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: that means running from the story. None of that means 155 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: being being mealy mouthed about the story. But I've already 156 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: heard it. I heard it from Common from some stuff 157 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: he was getting. The people who just have already decided, 158 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: and I can't help you, and I may end up 159 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 1: agreeing with those people who've decided. But I need more information. 160 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: I need more about this particular story. But I already 161 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 1: have enough information to continue to believe that the policy 162 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 1: is reckless and dangerous and unnecessary. And we have seen 163 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 1: to the at least at that level, I think we've 164 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:29,199 Speaker 1: seen abundant proof of exactly that. Let's come back get 165 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: our first break in. We will have some Toy Department 166 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 1: interludes today, guests that were already scheduled. Mike Conley is 167 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: going to join us at three thirty today, Glenn Mason 168 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: shorter than usual at four h two. I mentioned the 169 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 1: Chief Blair Anderson and Andy Luger. Pat Kessler back for 170 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: his regular day. He is scheduled to join us at 171 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: about five thirty this evening. Back in just a minute. 172 00:11:52,280 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: How alright, So the details I do not, to my knowledge, 173 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: the thirty seven year old motorist, a woman, has not 174 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:06,199 Speaker 1: yet been identified, even the at least when the governor 175 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: gave his presser not that long ago, Yep, that information 176 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 1: had not been conveyed to him. I don't know if 177 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: it's arrived to anyone else. Correct. Correct. It's clear that 178 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: she was not an individual that they were in pursuit 179 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 1: of or seeking right. She had driven her car or 180 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: her seemingly put her car in the middle of the road, 181 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: presumably to discourage their efforts, ICE's efforts to do whatever 182 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: they were doing in that particular position, correct, during what 183 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: they're classifying as an enforcement operation. 184 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 2: Now, Pauls, by the way, yes, it does have an 185 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 2: update as of one minute ago. Okay, mother Id's shooting victim. 186 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 2: The victim was identified by her mother as Renained Nicole 187 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:59,839 Speaker 2: Good Okay, thirty seven years old. Dodd lived in the 188 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 2: in Cities with her partner, Donna Ganger. The mother declined 189 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 2: whether to say she lived in Minneapolis. 190 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: Let me give you the news part of this. In 191 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 1: terms of official reaction. Let me remind you this isn't 192 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 1: endorsing any of the official positions. This is for the 193 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: record passing along those positions because I think that's important. 194 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: The Department of Homeland Security said the woman attempted to 195 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 1: run over law enforcement officers and that an agent fired 196 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: in self defense. The mayor, Jacob Fry, said he had 197 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: seen a video of the incident I've seen several already, 198 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: I'm sure you have, and disputed the department's version of 199 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: events as bs and he spoke that word out. This 200 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: was an agent recklessly using power that resulted in somebody dying. 201 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: When asked if the woman was using her vehicle as 202 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: a weapon, as DHS alleged, he said that doesn't appear 203 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: to be the case at all. Meanwhile, Homeland Security Secretary 204 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: Christy nom said the victim or the woman try and 205 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: victim tried to run over ice officers as they were 206 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: pushing their vehicle that got stuck in the snow. I 207 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: need more details on that part of it, because I 208 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: guess is it possible in a melting day to get 209 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: stuck in the snow. I don't know. I don't know 210 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: if she is making it up as she goes along. 211 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: I'm not sure. An officer of ours acted quickly and 212 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: defensively shot to protect himself and the people around him. 213 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O'Hara, who did not go for 214 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: whatever this is worth as far as the mayor did, 215 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: in describing the act, said it appeared the woman was 216 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: blocking the roadway when a federal law enforcement officer approached 217 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: her on foot. The vehicle began to drive off, he 218 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: said it, and at least two shots were fired before 219 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: the vehicle crashed. She was found with a gunshot wound 220 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: with it to the head. I was dead at a 221 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: local hospital. O'Haras said the woman did not appear to 222 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: be a target the federal enforcement operation. I think that 223 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: part has indeed been confirmed. There is I don't know 224 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: the number of people there there, there's already some protesting 225 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: going on. The scene is very I believe, still very active. 226 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: And the governor did mention, and I believe that the 227 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: chief did as well, or maybe it was maybe it 228 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: wasn't the chief. A couple of individuals in authority have 229 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: tried to send out the early word regarding protesting peacefully. 230 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: I think it's natural to wonder, especially here, where this goes. 231 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: Does it change that's it that it is in the 232 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: middle of winter. Does that make it less likely that 233 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: large crowds might assemble? What happens at night? How emotional 234 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 1: and how potentially violent does it get. We've been down 235 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 1: this road before, and it didn't go for several days 236 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: very well, correct. It went horrifically badly, to no one's 237 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: satisfaction or help. I don't think the burning and destruction 238 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 1: that resulted after George Floyd, the governor, I've seen the video. 239 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: Don't believe this propaganda machine the state will. I'm sure 240 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 1: there's a full fare and expeditious investigation to ensure accountability 241 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: and justice. Now, is that him rightly hammering Christy Nome, 242 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:56,400 Speaker 1: who has already, like you said, offered up case closed, 243 00:17:58,359 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: or is that him doing some of the same thing 244 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: when he says I've seen the video, you could say 245 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: the next sentence is about, you know, a full, far 246 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 1: and expeditious investigation. That's to me what people in authority 247 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 1: should responsibly say at a moment like this, no matter 248 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:17,880 Speaker 1: what the emotions of the situation are. I just don't know, 249 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: like I said in twenty now twenty six, that that's 250 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: realistic anymore. I mean the degree to which we've talked 251 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 1: about performance politics. My belief that maybe thirty forty years 252 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: ago the percentage of politics that was performance was about 253 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:42,679 Speaker 1: fifty percent, and I've said previously I think we're up 254 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:48,120 Speaker 1: to eighty five to ninety percent. Another example today, there 255 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: were several state Republican lawmakers basically asked to do what 256 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: would seem to be easy to do. In fact, some Republicans 257 00:18:56,359 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 1: have to destroy the notion perpetuated by the president. By 258 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 1: the way, we'll get to the President's comments in a minute, 259 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 1: that Tim Walls ordered the murder of Melissa Hortman, as 260 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 1: was written in one of the manifestos by the perpetrator, 261 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 1: and they were asked, the whole thing is a game. 262 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:33,439 Speaker 1: Will you raise your hand if you will agree that 263 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 1: that was egregious and the president should not be doubling 264 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 1: down or giving oxygen to that particular conspiracy theory. And 265 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:49,119 Speaker 1: what did they do? Well, we can't what if we 266 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: talk about on this show, we can't give sustenance the enemy. 267 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 1: We know what you want from us, we ain't gonna 268 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: give it to you. So they wouldn't give straight answers 269 00:19:56,600 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: on it, or, in the case of one of the legislators, 270 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 1: I think it was Walter Hudson, this whole thing is silly. 271 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: Why are we even messing with this? So nobody and 272 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: again even the attempt by Republicans to turn this into 273 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: all about walls, it was all theater today. What I saw, 274 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: there's never an attempt at these hearings. This is the 275 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 1: stupid place we are. There's never an attempt, righty or 276 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 1: lefty to say, all right, we're actually going to in 277 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: a scholarly way, attempt to drill down on some of 278 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:35,439 Speaker 1: the stuff we quoted yesterday from auditors. There's no interest 279 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 1: in that it's about naming walls and making this all 280 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: about walls. There's no hearings. Shouldn't hearings be about gathering information, 281 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:51,239 Speaker 1: meaning information, not if it's ninety percent performance performance. Now 282 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,199 Speaker 1: that's pretty much where we're at, all right, we have 283 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 1: to pause here. We'll be in and out of this 284 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: story throughout the rest of the show. Minnesota Timberwolves that 285 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: we're back action last night with another very convincing victory 286 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,640 Speaker 1: over the Miami Heat. Have they figured something out? Has 287 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,719 Speaker 1: a one of the best coaches in the National Basketball 288 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: Association figured something out about one Timberwolves player that several people, 289 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 1: including Shaquille O'Neil, apparently cannot understand. We're going to get 290 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: to all of that with Timberwol's point guard Mike Conley. 291 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: He is neck very busy program today, very curious to 292 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 1: get the views early of Saint former Saint Clube police 293 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: she Blair Anderson, regular of this show for many, many years, 294 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: terrific contributor. He's going to join us about an hour 295 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: from now, and we expect to visit with Andy Lueger. 296 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 1: Originally was going to be about the governor and his decision, 297 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 1: but eventually I think We've actually talked a little bit 298 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: about the the ice onslaught and the ramifications of it, 299 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: and whether it was fraught with tremendous risk, especially in 300 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 1: places that haven't exactly been maybe hotbeds of Trumpean support. 301 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 1: One could say that, interestingly, has tended to be the 302 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: focus of many of these raids. I'm sure that's merely coincidence. 303 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 1: Kessler is scheduled to join us in about two hours 304 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,880 Speaker 1: at five point thirty, and eventually we may we may 305 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 1: include some texts I've not yet hit the verification code. 306 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: Bratchean Brian caffein text line six four six eight six. 307 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: The Wolves got some national TV play again last night, 308 00:22:53,560 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 1: had the rematch with the Miami Heat. And let's use 309 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:06,360 Speaker 1: the term of the times guardsy very connected defensive performance, 310 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,880 Speaker 1: very connected connected. That's the one of the new ones. Yes, 311 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 1: once upon a time you just say they played really 312 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: good defense. Right now is their defense was connected? 313 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 2: And once once upon a time you say they have 314 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 2: good chemistry as a team, but it's a connected team. 315 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 2: Connected Connected makes multiphan. 316 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 1: Interesting because the team looked a week or so ago 317 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,919 Speaker 1: very disconnected, but then they connected. They then they started, 318 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: they then they reconnected that happens, and uh, it's maybe 319 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 1: further signs that the season goes on a long way, right, 320 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 1: It's a long long time and and and the part 321 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: of the challenge is to not underreact to a given 322 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: set of games and at times to not overreact to 323 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: that as as well. But I was very impressed with 324 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:59,400 Speaker 1: what I saw last night. They the activity the term 325 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: I like to go with is the activity in their 326 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: defense just to me from the eye test, I don't 327 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 1: know what the analytics. The eye test is. They seem 328 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: to be everywhere, they seem to be contesting everything. They 329 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: seem to be helping each other out when necessary in 330 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 1: that regard. And you'd sent me some sound which maybe 331 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: we play if we I think we're expecting a call 332 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:32,719 Speaker 1: any minute from Mike Conley? Is that correct? Some sound 333 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 1: that you found the press or post game involving the 334 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:45,159 Speaker 1: visiting head coach, Eric Spolstra Spoe. To those in the know, 335 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,880 Speaker 1: I think most people would say at this point he's 336 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: proven himself to be one of the best head coaches 337 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: in all of professional basketball, right. And the classic case 338 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 1: of a guy who started not only to you start, 339 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 1: I think even before he was video coordinator I think 340 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 1: he was the guy who took the trash out in 341 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,880 Speaker 1: the video rule. He may have been. That's I think 342 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 1: how he started. 343 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 2: And like Goodwill Hunting, he just started messing around the 344 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 2: clips and someone said who's this guy? 345 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,679 Speaker 1: Correct over and over again, and the rest is I 346 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: think somewhat history. I I I he's a trusted voice. 347 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: He's a trusted voice. And you know, and I've talked 348 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 1: about this a lot that the I get it when 349 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: fans might be irrational in the way they measure greatness 350 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 1: or goodness effectiveness in a player that spots. You know, 351 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: I want more dunks, I want more scoring, I want 352 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,399 Speaker 1: more jump shots. I just I mean, how do you 353 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 1: pay somebody like that all that money? And half the 354 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 1: time it looks like he's got hands made of stone. 355 00:25:56,280 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: But what's been fascinating regarding the Ruty Go Bear saga 356 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 1: since he got here, because you know, he's been around 357 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: for a while, but he's been ours more recently, and 358 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: I think we've learned firsthand the degree of polarity among players, 359 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: current players and even former players YEP on Rudy and 360 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: what he represents. And what has always stunned me is 361 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 1: my assumption is players would understand that you evaluate goodness, effectiveness, 362 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 1: greatness on more than points, because there's so much more 363 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: that goes into a successful basketball operation. Example, you look 364 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 1: at historically Draymond Green's numbers, you go nice, but you'd say, well, anybody, 365 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: oh you okay? What what? What's the big deal? And 366 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 1: yet I think most basketball people would say, notwithstanding his 367 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:56,199 Speaker 1: theatrics that seem to be getting worse here, that he 368 00:26:56,320 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: is a winning basketball player who knows how to be 369 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: a part of an ensemble and knows his limitations and 370 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: knows what he does well. And yet with Rudy there's 371 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:17,159 Speaker 1: an inability to discuss that same nuance or even acknowledge it. 372 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,160 Speaker 1: And I think we've learned over the years. In Shack's case, 373 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: it's envy and jealousy. Yes, it's just he can't countenance 374 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 1: a guy making that much. Even though Shack is approaching 375 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:32,440 Speaker 1: being a billionaire. 376 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,880 Speaker 2: I just got a press release for his latest Hershey 377 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:39,400 Speaker 2: Chocolate endorsement, wondering if I wanted any samples. I thought 378 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 2: he was, I thought he was already a billionaire, But 379 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 2: the last time I think, if you google the name, 380 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 2: his worth is put at a measly five hundred million. 381 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 1: So it's only half a billion, right, but you think 382 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 1: a guy with that much dough, It still goes back 383 00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: to he reverts back to when he played and said 384 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,640 Speaker 1: how does he get that money? He do? And we've 385 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: had others who've lost themselves in their endless when he 386 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,440 Speaker 1: got you know, his leg's broken on the one on 387 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: one mismatch with Luca in a switch situation, yep, And 388 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 1: people can't get past it. And that's the refreshing part 389 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: of what Spolstra What's Spoe had to say? You want 390 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,199 Speaker 1: to play it? Yeah, let's go ahead and play it. 391 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 1: I mean I wanted to play it for Mike Conley, 392 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 1: but let's go ahead and play it and keep it going. 393 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 2: I want to give credit to Andrew Carlson, who works 394 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 2: for Kanus Hoopus, who had the idea to go into 395 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 2: the heat presser last night. He covers the Wolves, yes 396 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 2: and basically run through a couple of guys. Jade McDaniels 397 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 2: was another one to get the outsider's perspective and like 398 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 2: we said, a trusted voice in this because I think 399 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 2: this is a great SoundBite. 400 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 3: This game, and on Saturday is a proud veteran winning player, 401 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,479 Speaker 3: you know, really Gobert continues to be one of the 402 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 3: most more underrated, you know, players in this league. He 403 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 3: knows who he is, he knows how he impacts the game. 404 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 3: Once he blasted their team in the locker room right 405 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 3: the game before our game. I thought he was going 406 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 3: to bring a force, not necessarily you know, score thirty 407 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 3: five or anything. But he's been rebounding, he's been offensive rebounding, 408 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 3: he's bringing the physicality. All of that you know that, you. 409 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 1: Know, really helps that team. 410 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 3: And Kalel was introduced to a guy you know that 411 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 3: brought a physical presence and an edge you know against him. 412 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 1: All right, there we have it. In fact, I think 413 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 1: Guards he's talking to Mike Colee now and we'll get 414 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 1: him going on this this subject in other woles related 415 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 1: to matters in just a minute, very full show that 416 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 1: will be heavily related to the Minneapolis tragedy. Trust me, 417 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: plenty of guests on that subject as well. Mike joins 418 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 1: us via the Connectico Water Systems hotline, Mike, welcome back. 419 00:29:56,040 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 1: We just played a SoundBite from air Spolstra after the game, 420 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: and I found it very Guards that I both found 421 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: it very instructive and it was Spolstra, I think volunteering. 422 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 1: I don't even know if he was asked about. You know, 423 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 1: his his young big man and maybe getting learning a 424 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 1: lesson or two from Rudy Gobert. And you and I 425 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: have talked about Rudy several times. You know him as 426 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 1: well as anybody, better than most, and we've talked about 427 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: this sort of ongoing, you know, sort of weirdness around 428 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: the league among some players current and past, to not 429 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 1: give him for what he does do well to influence 430 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: games enough credit. And I thought it was interesting that 431 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 1: that that supposed seemed to go out of his way 432 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: to make that very point to last night. 433 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, was suppose one of the great coaches 434 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 4: in our game. And you know he has an eye 435 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 4: for you know, players who you know, bring a lot 436 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 4: to the game, maybe more than what people may even see. 437 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 4: And you know, I think his opinion means a lot, 438 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 4: and it just highlights you know, what all of us 439 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,719 Speaker 4: already know, you know, within our organization and who've been 440 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 4: around Rudy is the impact that he does bring on 441 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 4: a nightly basis, and you know, people want to poke 442 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 4: holes and you know, all the things that that he 443 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 4: may do or don't doesn't do for for your team, 444 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 4: But then they don't want to highlight all the things 445 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 4: that are great about them. And I think it's just good, 446 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 4: you know, for other teams, other coaches, other players around 447 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 4: the league who you know, we all have that same 448 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 4: respect for Rudy, and it's more like an outside you know, media, 449 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 4: media or fan thing that tends to get lost, and 450 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 4: you know that hysteria of of what's actually you know, 451 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 4: Rudy's game and what he brings to the table. 452 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 1: Well, it's sad, is it's not. I don't think Sometimes 453 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: it's just media and fans. I almost would understand it. 454 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 1: Then it's former players, it's Shaquille, you know, we talked 455 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 1: about this before. It's just and maybe that's the the 456 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 1: envy and jealousy about the money. I don't know, but 457 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 1: it's just it's just so strange to hear because you 458 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 1: think players they they know value, right. I mentioned Draymond 459 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 1: Green earlier, leaving aside the nonsense. I mean, you can 460 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 1: tell us. I'm sure more than I can even understand 461 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 1: the degree to which Draymond Green helps teams win, even 462 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 1: if he's not the main component, and even if his 463 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: numbers look kind of pedestrian most of the time, right 464 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 1: that there's a mechanism to what some players like that 465 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 1: understand about what they can bring to the table to 466 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 1: help the winning cause, regardless of how the box score looks. 467 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, Draymond's a great example of that. 468 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 4: Rudy is a great example. There's a lot of players 469 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:49,239 Speaker 4: out there that fit that mold where you could end 470 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 4: the game and I will, as a teammate, as a 471 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 4: player played in the game, look at it like, man, 472 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 4: you know, Draymond dominated that game or great, you know, 473 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 4: Rudy dominated that game. And you look up and they 474 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 4: may have you know, ten points, ten rebounds, or you 475 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 4: know something that isn't you know, a world being statistic, 476 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 4: But you look at how they influence the game, Influence coverages, 477 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 4: influence people driving into the paint, taking stress off of 478 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 4: other players on your team, allowing other people to succeed, 479 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 4: you know, sacrificing their bodies, screening every person they can screen, 480 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 4: and you running the floor and being available, not being hurt, 481 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 4: you know, just playing through stuff. I guess like all 482 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 4: that stuff is so vital to winning culture and the 483 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 4: equations to winning in a way that I don't think 484 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 4: of analytics or somebody sitting at home, can really you know, 485 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 4: sit there. 486 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 1: And appreciate it very well? Said, I want to talk 487 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: about another aspect of Rudy because it's seen something also 488 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 1: that that Sporser brought up last night that he basically 489 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:58,719 Speaker 1: thought his team was in trouble because of how vocal 490 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 1: Rudy was. I think it was with it after the 491 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 1: Atlanta game that that went as poorly as it did 492 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 1: for you guys, that he was very direct, at least 493 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,880 Speaker 1: with the reporters, so about you know, his concerns at 494 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 1: that point. So they helped me inside the locker room. 495 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 1: I'm not expecting you to give away secrets, but when 496 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,360 Speaker 1: a player like Rudy goes public in terms of with reporters, 497 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:24,439 Speaker 1: is that something he's already said to the team. Does 498 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 1: the team become aware of it because they then read 499 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 1: the quotes? Or what do you remember about the locker room? 500 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 1: And and and sort of Rudy's demeanor because it certainly 501 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 1: seemed like he was very bugged and and and I 502 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 1: I you can tell me. I don't want to say 503 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 1: that's what has turned everything around, but it's interesting that 504 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 1: since things have gone into much better direction. What do 505 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,720 Speaker 1: you remember about that night and what Rudy said. 506 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:50,919 Speaker 4: You're not gonna like my answer. 507 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 2: I have no idea what. 508 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:55,920 Speaker 4: So he did. 509 00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:58,880 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, all right, that's good to know. 510 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 4: That's what I'm not saying. I'm not saying that he 511 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,440 Speaker 4: didn't say it to us. I don't. I know, you know, 512 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 4: the messages that we have, you know what I mean, 513 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 4: in film or in locker room after a post game 514 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,319 Speaker 4: and all that stuff, like we have our own conversation 515 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,960 Speaker 4: and you know, obviously Rudy will say his piece or 516 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:17,840 Speaker 4: anybody who has something to say say this peace. I 517 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 4: have no idea what was reiterated to the media or 518 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,760 Speaker 4: what was said to the media, So I can't actively 519 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,920 Speaker 4: answer that, but I do know that, you know, Rudy 520 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,799 Speaker 4: and just like all of us after Atlanta, were frustrated 521 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 4: with how we performed, how we played the direction that 522 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:37,239 Speaker 4: we were we had, we had spoke on how we're 523 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 4: going to play a certain way, and we just didn't 524 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 4: go out there and execute it. And I thought after 525 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,360 Speaker 4: that game, you know, having a couple of days, we 526 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 4: got to Miami a little early, we got had a 527 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 4: great practice that you know, this time of the year 528 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,799 Speaker 4: is hard to find days to really get after it 529 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 4: in practice and and and you know, get some things 530 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 4: ironed out. We had a good one, and I thought 531 00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 4: everybody was in a much better place leading into that 532 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:00,719 Speaker 4: first Miami game. 533 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:02,800 Speaker 1: Guardian, you have a couple of the highlights for Rudy 534 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 1: just just yeah, paraphrasing Mike, you said, we look like 535 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 1: a team that doesn't want to play for a championship. 536 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 1: We look more like a team that wants to play, 537 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,239 Speaker 1: make a lot of money, have a good life. It 538 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:14,240 Speaker 1: doesn't win bleep. 539 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 2: I think was was the one of the quotes for 540 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,239 Speaker 2: sure said we look like a team that wants to 541 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:19,920 Speaker 2: win a championship. 542 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:21,960 Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, that's what he was conveying then, and that's 543 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,919 Speaker 1: what he conveyed last night, that that might dovetail. I'm sure, 544 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 1: like you said, you guys probably all felt the same way. 545 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 1: It's interesting hearing it from him because he's not a 546 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 1: guy who's always vocal, at least not to reporters afterwards. 547 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 1: I'm curious if you were vocal at all or upset 548 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,960 Speaker 1: with what I thought was a really bad look from 549 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,160 Speaker 1: Anthony leaving the court the way he did. I I 550 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 1: didn't like it. I don't it doesn't happen very often, man. 551 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:52,480 Speaker 1: And I know he's still young, but he's already you know, 552 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:54,960 Speaker 1: the team is built around him. And I thought it 553 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:59,319 Speaker 1: was a really bad. Look what did you make of it? 554 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean we all you know, I didn't know 555 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:06,839 Speaker 4: about it until after the game. But it's it's it's 556 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,719 Speaker 4: a weird situation too. You know, obviously he shouldn't. There's 557 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 4: no place for us, any of us, to be, you know, 558 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,840 Speaker 4: leaving you know, our teammates or whatever late you know, 559 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,360 Speaker 4: late early in the fourth quarter, even though we're getting beat. 560 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,719 Speaker 4: We still sit there and support and do things we 561 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:26,799 Speaker 4: do as vets and as teammates and leaders. But you know, 562 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 4: there's also it's it's one of those things that there's 563 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:34,600 Speaker 4: been plenty of games where we've been up ten, fifteen, 564 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 4: twenty points whatever it is, going into you know, five 565 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,400 Speaker 4: minutes left in the game, and they pull the starters, 566 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 4: and then we'll have two guys in the tunnel working 567 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,319 Speaker 4: on something like you know, ice and a knee, or 568 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 4: like working on you know, doing lunges or whatever it 569 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,240 Speaker 4: is they're doing just to get a while they're watching 570 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 4: the game as well and supporting and kind of getting 571 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,400 Speaker 4: the head start on what's coming after, you know, after 572 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,240 Speaker 4: the game, which we all kind of post workout stuff. 573 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,680 Speaker 4: So it's one of the things that they picked up 574 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 4: on h on that moment in a bad moment, you 575 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,759 Speaker 4: know what I mean, Like, it can't can't be you know, 576 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,520 Speaker 4: you can't be caught up in that. But the same time, 577 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,400 Speaker 4: you know he's done that, and so as other players 578 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:22,000 Speaker 4: have done that on occasion in different circumstances and better circumstances. 579 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 4: So so yes, you know, we we don't want to 580 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,640 Speaker 4: see that. We don't want we want our team to 581 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:31,759 Speaker 4: be as connected as possible, especially in global moments in 582 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,919 Speaker 4: late games like that. But like I said, he's young, 583 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,240 Speaker 4: He's going to learn and continue to grow as a leader. 584 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:42,839 Speaker 1: I thought the the defense was terrific again last night. 585 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,880 Speaker 1: You know, the term connected probably gets overused, but I 586 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:50,040 Speaker 1: I I said to me, when I watch whatever term 587 00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:55,160 Speaker 1: you want to use, when there's activity everywhere, it seems 588 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,919 Speaker 1: to get in the way of what a very well 589 00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,920 Speaker 1: coached team wants to do and it's frustrated by it. 590 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,600 Speaker 1: To me, that's what I saw last night. So what 591 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:10,120 Speaker 1: do you see that's better? How sustainable is it? Since 592 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 1: you know that disaster in Atlanta. 593 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 4: What has changed, Yeah, I think you talked about like 594 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,000 Speaker 4: just being connected on that end that what that looks 595 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:25,319 Speaker 4: like is a higher level of activity and communications that 596 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,239 Speaker 4: we've had the last few games. I think that we've 597 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:34,319 Speaker 4: tapped into that. You know, it's the defensive mindset we've 598 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:39,520 Speaker 4: had in prior years, prior seasons, and we just have 599 00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:41,759 Speaker 4: found a way to find that. We've found a way through. 600 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,120 Speaker 4: Like I said, our activity, like guards on the ball 601 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,399 Speaker 4: a point of attack, have been really really good at 602 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,399 Speaker 4: containing drivers. You know, you're getting you're gonna get beat 603 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:52,920 Speaker 4: every now and then when you do get beat, you 604 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,279 Speaker 4: end up you know, catching back up to cut them 605 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,560 Speaker 4: off and stand them up and make the shot tougher. 606 00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,480 Speaker 4: Like all that stuff is is super important. We're relying 607 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:05,120 Speaker 4: a lot on our health defenders, help defenders and not 608 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,040 Speaker 4: just Rudy, you know, Julius and the good job. Now 609 00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:11,520 Speaker 4: it's Jaden Jalen, Like everybody that comes in the game 610 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,640 Speaker 4: is super active in the low man and being there 611 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:19,200 Speaker 4: on help side opportunities to create you know, turnovers and 612 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:23,040 Speaker 4: get out in transition. And it's it's a a domino effect, 613 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:24,960 Speaker 4: you know, once you start doing it over and over 614 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,480 Speaker 4: and over again. You just see the activity continue to 615 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,640 Speaker 4: grow as the game goes on, and it can where 616 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,840 Speaker 4: teams down. It's like running football, and you know the 617 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,120 Speaker 4: NFL games, Eventually you kind of push that line back 618 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,560 Speaker 4: further and further. They get tired and you kind of 619 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 4: take take control a line of scrimmage. 620 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:42,080 Speaker 1: And that's what. 621 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:42,799 Speaker 4: We've been trying to do. 622 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:47,919 Speaker 1: How do you feel about your role right now? Man? 623 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,520 Speaker 4: I said, I'm I'm I'm loving it. You know, I 624 00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:55,640 Speaker 4: think that you know, we've kind of went through some 625 00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:01,120 Speaker 4: trials and trying to figure out minutes and different roles 626 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:05,040 Speaker 4: and different you know, starting not starting playing thirty minutes, 627 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:09,160 Speaker 4: playing twenty, playing twelve like whatever it may be. But 628 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,680 Speaker 4: just you know, knowing when I'm going in the game, 629 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,200 Speaker 4: knowing when the things are a little more consistent, I 630 00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,280 Speaker 4: think it helps me, helps me out a lot. Allows 631 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,520 Speaker 4: me to know who I'm being the game with, you know, 632 00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,640 Speaker 4: how to you know, play according to who I have 633 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:24,560 Speaker 4: on the court. You know, it's a different game you 634 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,760 Speaker 4: play with Aunt and Julius on the cords, opposing Nash 635 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,800 Speaker 4: and Rudy or Jaden or Jalen or you know, whoever's 636 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,440 Speaker 4: out there with you. So as a point guard, you 637 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:34,840 Speaker 4: have to kind of adjust to who you have on 638 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,440 Speaker 4: the floor. So just being more consistent with that, I 639 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,120 Speaker 4: think it's helped me out a ton, and just being 640 00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:45,560 Speaker 4: able to kind of solidify what I can kind of 641 00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,719 Speaker 4: have approach for every you know, time I get on 642 00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:49,440 Speaker 4: a you know on the court. 643 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,400 Speaker 1: We're chatting with the Timbers point guard Mike Conley. Glenn 644 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:56,560 Speaker 1: Mason will join at the top of the hour. You've 645 00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,960 Speaker 1: obviously you've been in the league along times this year, 646 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,719 Speaker 1: eighteen seventeen or eighteen. I can't keep trying nineteen s Yeah, 647 00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,240 Speaker 1: that's it. Well I'm a year of two years behind, 648 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:10,920 Speaker 1: so nineteen think about that, so you can speak to 649 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:15,360 Speaker 1: this issue. I'm listening the other day to Eddie Johnson, 650 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:19,520 Speaker 1: who's on Serious XM in the afternoons. Uh, the former 651 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:21,960 Speaker 1: NBA player. I'm sure you are familiar with him, and 652 00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,800 Speaker 1: now he does analysis on Phoenix Sun's games. And Eddie 653 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,799 Speaker 1: is one of those old time players who believes that 654 00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:30,719 Speaker 1: the number one reason there seemed to be as many 655 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:35,279 Speaker 1: soft tissue ish injuries as there are now is not 656 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,480 Speaker 1: that the game has more movement in it, not that 657 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:43,880 Speaker 1: there's more stress on bodies, but a belief that training 658 00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,880 Speaker 1: camp goes about two and a half days. That he 659 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,280 Speaker 1: may be exaggering that a little bit, but he believes 660 00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,359 Speaker 1: that there was a time where players didn't suffer as 661 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:57,080 Speaker 1: many in his mind, softissue issues, in injuries and issues 662 00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:01,480 Speaker 1: because training camp was a grind. It was a meat grinder, 663 00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,560 Speaker 1: and you probably went through a few of those. Given 664 00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,319 Speaker 1: the fact that you've only been almost been playing for 665 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:09,240 Speaker 1: twenty years, do you buy that theory? Is that oversimplifying 666 00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:10,120 Speaker 1: it or what do you think? 667 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:13,640 Speaker 4: I remember those days? 668 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:14,160 Speaker 1: I do. 669 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:18,960 Speaker 4: We had two a days every day for weeks straight 670 00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,279 Speaker 4: or whatever it is. Now nowadays, I don't think we 671 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:25,320 Speaker 4: have one to a day, and you know, it prepares you, 672 00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,440 Speaker 4: you know, I think early for the early part of 673 00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,640 Speaker 4: the season. I can't speak on it as far as 674 00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,000 Speaker 4: like in the totality of the season because that is 675 00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,880 Speaker 4: just one part of the year. I don't know if 676 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,440 Speaker 4: people are getting hurt to start the seasons more or 677 00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,359 Speaker 4: if it's in the middle of that you know, later part, 678 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:44,000 Speaker 4: latter part. But I think that it can have its 679 00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:48,160 Speaker 4: you know, it can have its you know, it's its 680 00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,879 Speaker 4: role and those kind of injuries. But I do think 681 00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,840 Speaker 4: that it's coupled with the play style, the speed, you know, 682 00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,759 Speaker 4: the way that these teams are playing, Like we just 683 00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:03,919 Speaker 4: played Miami twice and Washington they're two of the fastest teams, yeah, 684 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,600 Speaker 4: in the league. And I can guarantee you, like I 685 00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:09,680 Speaker 4: barely move out of the bed this morning, you know 686 00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:13,280 Speaker 4: what I mean. Like it's it's clearly different playing that 687 00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,200 Speaker 4: that pace than it is playing you know, a team 688 00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,279 Speaker 4: that plays slower or and even those slow teams are 689 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,279 Speaker 4: not either like one of the faster teams of you know, 690 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,080 Speaker 4: the early two thousands, you know what I mean. So 691 00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,440 Speaker 4: it's just a pace a lot of you know, a 692 00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,920 Speaker 4: couple with maybe you know, you've got the training camps, 693 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,680 Speaker 4: you got you know, the guys trying to figure out 694 00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:35,840 Speaker 4: how to work and prepare their body correctly for that 695 00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,960 Speaker 4: kind of load and that kind of stress that you're 696 00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,680 Speaker 4: putting on yourself just from sprinting so much. So it's 697 00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,920 Speaker 4: I think it's just like a combination of things built 698 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:47,920 Speaker 4: on you know, kind of like a wild while West. 699 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,839 Speaker 4: Everybody's trying to learn as we go, learn this new 700 00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:52,959 Speaker 4: new pace and how to take care of your body 701 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:53,520 Speaker 4: while doing it. 702 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,200 Speaker 1: I really appreciate the time as always, Happy New Year 703 00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,560 Speaker 1: to you and your family and we will hopefully chat 704 00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,080 Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks for sure. 705 00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:02,760 Speaker 4: Thank you, guys. 706 00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:06,920 Speaker 1: Mike Conley, Timberwol's point guard on a number of subjects 707 00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:08,160 Speaker 1: that one of the reasons I like having him on 708 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,520 Speaker 1: is I think it's easier for him to be trusted 709 00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:15,600 Speaker 1: on questions like the last one regarding because he spans, 710 00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,960 Speaker 1: you know, a couple of NBA eras as long as 711 00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:23,160 Speaker 1: he's been part of the National Basketball Association. I remember 712 00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:27,799 Speaker 1: those days. That was awesome. Days you said not only 713 00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,560 Speaker 1: we have one to a day. No, yeah, I don't know. 714 00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,640 Speaker 1: I mean, Eddie sounds a little bit like a back 715 00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:35,680 Speaker 1: in my day guy on it. But I do wonder 716 00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,080 Speaker 1: if there's something to that now. The problem again is 717 00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,080 Speaker 1: players aren't going to go back to that, you know, 718 00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:44,799 Speaker 1: because all this is is is not adjudicated, negotiated. So 719 00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,640 Speaker 1: I don't think that's likely, but I do think it 720 00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,200 Speaker 1: very well could contribute. And you could even argue that 721 00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,640 Speaker 1: if you believe that the pace of the game is 722 00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:57,440 Speaker 1: a bigger issue, all the more reason to have what 723 00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,000 Speaker 1: would be a more rigorous training camp than the life 724 00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,359 Speaker 1: stuff that we seem to favor these days. KG and 725 00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,440 Speaker 1: Paul Pierce talked about this few years ago. We played it. 726 00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:07,960 Speaker 2: Oh, that's right, Pierce thought the injuries had to do it, 727 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:09,200 Speaker 2: that nobody ever practiced. 728 00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,520 Speaker 1: Well, yes, and you heard Mike say, yeah, it helped us. 729 00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:14,279 Speaker 1: It's so hard to find a day to practice. We 730 00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,080 Speaker 1: get to Miami early, which can be dangerous. Yes, it 731 00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,239 Speaker 1: ken As chis Foreman told us that you got to 732 00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,600 Speaker 1: have discipline, discipline in Miami, But in this case it 733 00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,520 Speaker 1: apparently gave them a extra time to kind of clear 734 00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,160 Speaker 1: the air and work on some things on the court. 735 00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,359 Speaker 1: So in any case, on top of the hour break 736 00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:37,000 Speaker 1: here much more on the obviously dominant subject throughout this program, 737 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,520 Speaker 1: a woman killed by an ice officer in the in 738 00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:43,160 Speaker 1: a Minneapolis shooting. And we're going to get more details 739 00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:44,919 Speaker 1: on the story, and we're gonna get a lot more 740 00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:49,719 Speaker 1: analysis and opinion from for Saint claud Police, she Blair 741 00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,640 Speaker 1: Anderson in about a half hour. Former US Attorney Andy 742 00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,279 Speaker 1: Lueger is scheduled to join us at about four point 743 00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,720 Speaker 1: fifty five today. Kessler, who's following this story very closely, 744 00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,719 Speaker 1: will be with us at as well. When we come 745 00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,520 Speaker 1: back a little more time in the toy Department Glenn 746 00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:06,759 Speaker 1: Mason is not going to be in studio. He is 747 00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:10,479 Speaker 1: finally headed south, but we'll talk college football and try 748 00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,120 Speaker 1: to get I got a couple of ways to try 749 00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,480 Speaker 1: to get Mace going today because it's just so much 750 00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:14,680 Speaker 1: fun