1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:03,440 Speaker 1: I am happy to join you today in what will 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: go down in history as one of the greatest demonstrations 3 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 1: of sports talk prowess ever in our city. Nineteen years ago, 4 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: a football coach in whose ruins we stand today was 5 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: hired by the Pittsburgh Steelers. We thought it was a 6 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: joyous daybreak, a great beacon of light, a continuation of 7 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 1: a successful. 8 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 2: Era, and for a while it was. But now, nearly two. 9 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 1: Decades later, that promise has not been kept. Nine years 10 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:40,959 Speaker 1: without a playoff win, five consecutive double digit postseason losses, 11 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:46,239 Speaker 1: a revolving door of recycled old men and failed draft picks. 12 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: We have come here today to dramatize this shameful condition. 13 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: In a sense, it's time to cash a check. When 14 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: you signed to coach the Pittsburgh Steelers, you sign a 15 00:00:58,160 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: promisory note to. 16 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 2: Win which each of you stands air. 17 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: But after nearly a decade of failure, that check has 18 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: come back marked in sufficient funds. But I refuse to 19 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 1: believe that the Bank of Rooney is bankrupt. I refuse 20 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: to believe that the Steeler's future is marked in sufficient funds. 21 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: But a new man must cast his check a new 22 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: endoor ce we have also come together today to consider 23 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: the urgency of now, and also the fallacy of now, 24 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 1: the lunacy of immediate, when that's not possible, a demonstration 25 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 1: by going all in with a bunch of senior citizens 26 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: for an eighteen week war of attrition. The draft is coming, 27 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: the heat of summer is coming. A franchise quarterback will 28 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: not be coming, not now, our next year, because why 29 00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: would one want to to throw to the fat kid. 30 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: Discontent will continue, it will echo. This isn't about blowing 31 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: off steam followed by a calm. 32 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 2: This is about patience of process. 33 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: Except the Steelers don't get that, so there will be 34 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 1: no rest, no tranquility, no postseason wins. So we wait 35 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 1: with a reason, but not without hope. But that hope 36 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: is misguided and will go unfulfilled. Even as you tailgate 37 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: and buy merchandise and draft Dk Metcalf for your fantasy 38 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:34,119 Speaker 1: team and bet on the over and lose, there will 39 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: come a time when you sell your tickets to the 40 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: Ravens game, and you sell them to Ravens fans, and 41 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: that will lead to distrust, distrust of the ruinees, of 42 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: the con artist, of the new coach, of your own 43 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: instincts and traditions, not with somebody else's team, not with 44 00:02:55,840 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: somebody else's leaders, not with somebody else's culture, but with 45 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: a new beginning. 46 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 2: But we cannot give up. 47 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: We must be impregnated with new hope and new thoughts 48 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: and a new playbook that can't possibly be worse than 49 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: the old one. And we will not be satisfied. We 50 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: will not be satisfied until we give birth to a 51 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 1: new way, give birth to a new method, give birth 52 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: to the league's method, scoring more and faster a franchise 53 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 1: quarterback and beating Joe Burrow at his own game. I repeat, 54 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: not with somebody else's team leaders and culture, but with 55 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: a new beginning. And the reason we can do that 56 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: without knowing who the new coach is is because the 57 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: new coach is not the old coach. We reside in 58 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: the slums and ghettos of ten and seven, over and 59 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: over again, from the narrow jail cells of playoff defeats, 60 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: and even though we wallow into despair of today and 61 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: the uncertainty of tomorrow, I have dream. It is a 62 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: dream deeply rooted in a stairway to seven, even though 63 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: that's hackneyed and clicheted. 64 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 2: And can't be climbed. 65 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: I have a dream that one day we will live 66 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: out the true meaning of our creed. The standard is 67 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: the standard which has been lost a long time ago. 68 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 1: I have a dream that short drives will supersede long ones, 69 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 1: that seven points will replace three, that rock fights will 70 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 1: be replaced by entertainment, and that arch Manning won't refuse 71 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 1: to come here. I have a dream that your children 72 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: will one day become Steeler fans who won't settle, who 73 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: won't glamorize trivialities like no losing seasons and no meaningless games, 74 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: who will want the best, demand the best, and see 75 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 1: a legitimate return. I have a dream today. I have 76 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 1: a dream that one day we will have a legit 77 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: number two wide out, and that Pat Friarmouth will again 78 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 1: be target, and that Roman Wilson will get a helmet 79 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: and Caleb Johnson will get the ball, and that someday 80 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:13,359 Speaker 1: somebody vandalizes that stupid draft comp down clock. That is 81 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: my hope, and that is my faith. I speak to 82 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 1: you with today, and with this faith, the right coach 83 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:23,359 Speaker 1: will be Howard. With this faith, a franchise quarterback will 84 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: ultimately arrive. With this faith, we will finally see the 85 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: value of foreign thirteen and go for in thirteen and 86 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 1: reap the benefits of foreign thirteen, and then cast Will 87 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: Howard aside like an old shoe, and the bum that 88 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: will Howard is. When that happens, it will enable us, 89 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 1: transform us. The beautiful symphony of renegade will ring out 90 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 1: once again. The jig is up, the news is out, 91 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: and we will finally find the birth of a new dynasty, 92 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: and not the bastard child that is the mushy media. 93 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: The terrible tile will fly on Mount Washington, and not 94 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 1: the fact tight end. 95 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 2: I'm talking about the real Mount Washington. 96 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: It will fly at the site of the immaculate Reception, 97 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: except the ball won't be trapped this time. It will 98 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: fly in hazel Wood. It will fly in Mount Lebanon. 99 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 1: It will fly in Reserve Township. It will fly in 100 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: Westmoreland County. It will be weighed by Brett Michaels and 101 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: Joe Manganello and Sally Wigan and Turn Angle and Bill Hillgrove. 102 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: And all this can happen because Mike Tomlin is gone 103 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: and a new day is gone, and the forest will 104 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: echo not only with laughter, but after nineteen years the 105 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 1: cry that. 106 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 2: We've waited so long for free at last, Free at last. 107 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,679 Speaker 1: As long as it's not Mike McCarthy, we are free 108 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 1: at last. 109 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 2: One five nine the X. 110 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 1: It's the Woody Show weekday morning, six to ten on 111 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: the X. 112 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 3: From the one nine the X traffic session is Mark 113 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 3: Madden of two Chip Draft bringing the duckstate type of affairs. 114 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 2: What they're gonna make us play a wildcard game. 115 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 3: It's not fair. 116 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 2: It's not fair. 117 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 3: It's not fair. 118 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 4: The X at one five nine, it's time for calls 119 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 4: on the fifteens, which I forgot to flog at the 120 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 4: end of the last same because I was too busy 121 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 4: trying to unite the people. 122 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: Reaction to my eye have a dream speech or just 123 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: sports talk in general. Dial eight three three four one 124 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: two w XDX. That's a three to three four one 125 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: two w XDX. 126 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. 127 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: I have no feeling or emotion for the National Championship 128 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: Game tonight. I feel like their season lasts too long, 129 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: being caught in the middle of the NFL playoffs. Take 130 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 1: some bite out of it being on a Monday night, 131 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: Take some bite out of it. I just I'm not psyched, 132 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: and now be honest too, I think Indian. 133 00:07:58,640 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 2: Is a great story. 134 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: I respect the Hoosiers, the coach Kurt Signetti for coming 135 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: out of nowhere to be this mega power in college football, 136 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: but they're not a brand name. 137 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 2: It feels like this game tonight. 138 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: Is between one non brand name in Indiana and a 139 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: brand name in Miami. This passed his prime and certainly 140 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: they deserve to be there. And I'm just a casual 141 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: college football fan, if that anymore since they fed up 142 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: all the conferences in the transfer portal and nil, so 143 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: point being, I'm just not that interested, and I don't 144 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: suspect many of you are either. I am a nurest 145 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: in the Penguins. Penguins continued to be a mixed bag 146 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 1: and really frustrating. We're gonna have a Hockey night show 147 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: at three point thirty. My guess's gonna be Jonathan Bomb 148 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: Bully of the Trip. That's in advance of the Penguins 149 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 1: Network pregame show four, and then the Penguins versus Seattle 150 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: at five o'clock. Because if there's one thing MLK dreamed of, 151 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:13,559 Speaker 1: it was daytime hockey on the holiday that celebrates his legacy. 152 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: But the Penguins, they have the second fewest regulation losses 153 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: in the Eastern Conference, and they're nine to one and 154 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: three against the Metro Division, and yet they're barely in 155 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:30,199 Speaker 1: the playoff spot. And they lost another shootout to Columbus 156 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:33,559 Speaker 1: on Saturday. They're one and seven on shootouts. Shilloffs lost 157 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: another shootout. He's won and six in shootouts. He a 158 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: lot two goals on four tries. On Saturday he's a 159 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: lot thirteen goals on twenty attempts, and sid is won 160 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 1: for eight on shootouts. So shootouts are going to be 161 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: why the Penguins miss the playoffs. And then of course 162 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 1: we got the Steeler coaching search, which is all they're 163 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: talking about NonStop every place else in town. I just 164 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: think whoever they get to coach will not engineer an 165 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: immediate turnaround because it's tough to do an immediate turnaround. 166 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:09,199 Speaker 1: They won't do what it takes to do any kind 167 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: of turnaround, which is go four and thirteen. And again, 168 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 1: by way of evidence, I point out that Denver is 169 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: in the AFC Championship three years ago, they went five 170 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: and twelve. New England's in the AFC Championship two years 171 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:28,079 Speaker 1: ago they went four and thirteen. The La Rams in 172 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: the NFC championship. Three years ago, they went five and twelve. 173 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: Chicago and Houston lost over the weekend, but they won 174 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: in the wild card round. Houston was three thirteen and 175 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,439 Speaker 1: one three years ago, Chicago was three and fourteen three 176 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: years ago. They went out and well, I mean, Chicago 177 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: drafted the quarterback. Denver drafted a quarterback. New England drafted 178 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 1: the quarterback. Houston drafted a quarterback, albeit one who's played 179 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:59,319 Speaker 1: terribly these past two years, but they certainly built a defense. 180 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: The La Rams kept their same quarterback. The Steelers are 181 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: just happy with ten and seven or nine and eight 182 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: and losing in the wildcard round. And since they do 183 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: nothing to really change that, you can presume that they're 184 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: happy with it. You watch who they hire, You watch 185 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: you the quarterback's going to be next year. They're happy 186 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:22,599 Speaker 1: with the mushy middle, even though Art's desperate for a 187 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: playoff win, but he wants it immediately. Like I just 188 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: said in my in my I have a dream speech, 189 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 1: don't get caught up in now, don't get caught up 190 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: in immediacy. Look at Houston, New England, Denver, Chicago, the Rams, 191 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 1: and they did it pretty quick, but not immediately. 192 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 2: Let's go to Zach. Zach, you're on with Mark. Good day, Sir, 193 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 2: I said, good day. 194 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, Hey, you made a good point there about the 195 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 3: you know, not the looking at the immediate, and I 196 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 3: know in your opening segment about Sean McDermott. 197 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 2: It makes sense. 198 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 3: My question is would he even want to come here 199 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 3: for that turnaround? 200 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 2: I thought, Oh no, I I wouldn't bring mcdert in. 201 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 2: I just wouldn't. I don't want to. 202 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: I mean, like, I don't want to recycled guy. I 203 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: want an offensive guy, you know what I mean. I 204 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: know it's their tradition to get a young defensive guy. 205 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: I want to get a young offensive guy. The guy 206 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: i'd pick right now with Shieldhouse the passing game coordinator 207 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: for the Rams, and I know like nothing about him, 208 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: but I just want an offensive guy. 209 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 3: I understand. 210 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for thank you. Let's go to Dino 211 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 2: Velvet Dino. 212 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 5: You're on, Hey, Mark, you let me take your money, 213 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 5: but you will let me take. 214 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 2: Your picture, depends how much money. What's going on? 215 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 5: Hey, So you know Tom was here for nineteen years, 216 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 5: and you know he had a good relationship with national media. 217 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:42,599 Speaker 5: Do you think it's odd he had to give it 218 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 5: a press conference since he's retired or stepped. 219 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 1: Out in light of what in light of his personal circumstances. No, 220 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: I'm not surprised at all because then something to that 221 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: end might get asked. But but yeah, I'm surprised he 222 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: hasn't done like a setup farewell interview with like one 223 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 1: of his guys like Jay Glazer and Rich Eisen that 224 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: I am a bit surprised about. I think that will 225 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: come eventually, and I don't think it'll come. I don't 226 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: think it'll come between now and the Super Bowl. I 227 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: think it'll come after, and that's if it comes at all. 228 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 5: Do you think it's kind of flapping the face to 229 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 5: the Rudies and Steeler fans that he didn't say goodbye. 230 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:22,079 Speaker 2: Again I'm tired of the tap dancing. 231 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 1: No, given the circumstances, Dino, I am not at all surprised. 232 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 2: Thank you for the call. 233 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 1: It's not a slap at anybody, although there is a 234 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: slap involved. 235 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 2: Let's go to Harry. Harry, you're only double m. 236 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 5: I'm sorry, but I totally disagree with you. 237 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 3: I think a lot of people are in the National 238 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 3: Championship Game, and I think the betting will show that. 239 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 3: I mean I just think that. 240 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 2: Betting an interest are two different things. 241 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 3: Oh, I think most people will be watching this. 242 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 2: I will see the ratings, don't lie. Maybe you're right. 243 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 2: I'm just not at all interested. Yeah. 244 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 3: I like the fact there's no Essays teams in it. 245 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: Oh, that's the best part of that's the best part 246 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 1: of it. That this game shoves it up the SEC's backside. 247 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: I think that's wonderful. 248 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 3: Yep. And I think I like having a basketball school 249 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 3: gets an old villain in football. 250 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: Like depend Harry, You're making many good points. There's plenty 251 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 1: of story lines here. They're just not don't get a 252 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: big head. 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The game's at Seattle 287 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: five pm Eastern time right here on the X. 288 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 2: Joining me now to talk about it. 289 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: From The trib It's assistant sports editor, Jonathan Bomboli, jab, 290 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: It's an old discussion, but you can't just keep losing 291 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: every shootout. They're one and seven in the shootout, what 292 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: should they do well? 293 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 3: I mean, first of all, I'm not I'm one of 294 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 3: these shootouts kind of a coin flip guys like I don't. 295 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 3: I don't. I don't know that there's such a thing 296 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 3: as a I mean, the thing that makes me question 297 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 3: what's coming out of my mouth is she lobs because 298 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 3: he's consistently bad. But in terms of shooters like Crosby 299 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 3: and the and the slump that he's in in the shootout, 300 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 3: I just think Tucks aren't going in for him. I mean, 301 00:16:58,320 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 3: there have been times in his career when he's been 302 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 3: like out in the shootout, and I don't think the 303 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 3: shootout skill is something that necessarily goes away with age. 304 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 3: So I think there's a lot First of all, there's 305 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 3: a lot of luck involved in shootouts. Now the question 306 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,120 Speaker 3: is what do you do about it? Well, I mean, 307 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 3: I don't know. You do you know, you try to 308 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 3: maximize your lineup, so you know, like Shinakov, who's shown 309 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 3: an aptitude for it, he has to be one ear three. 310 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:25,120 Speaker 3: That's one thing you do. The idea of changing goalies 311 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 3: before the shootout, it it would take a It takes 312 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 3: a real special goalie to be able to succeed in that. 313 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:34,919 Speaker 3: I'm talking about the goalie comes in, not the goalie 314 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 3: comes out. Skinner in this case, it takes a real 315 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 3: certain kind of guy to be able to come into 316 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:43,239 Speaker 3: a shootout and be successful like that. So you know 317 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 3: that you'd have to you'd have to ask Skinner if 318 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 3: that's the kind of thing he could do. Like, I 319 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 3: think that's the kind of thing that Marc Andre Fleury 320 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 3: would have been good at. But I don't know that 321 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 3: most goalies can do that. So it's a tough situation. Yeah, 322 00:17:55,720 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 3: than shilloffs right, Yeah, so your bar is pretty low, right, 323 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,199 Speaker 3: I understand that, But I mean, you know, you'd have 324 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 3: to talk to the guy and see if he's comfortable 325 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 3: with the situation. I'll tell you one thing I'm not 326 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 3: going to do. I mean, I'm I know this is 327 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 3: sort of anesthetical to what we do in the sports 328 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 3: journalism business, but I'm not gonna sit here and tell 329 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 3: Sidney Crosby how to take a shootout attempt. I mean 330 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 3: to me, that's like, you know, come on now. 331 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 1: I mean, okay, but but I am going to say this, 332 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: but I wouldn't say. 333 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:23,239 Speaker 3: We're going to do it. 334 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 2: I'm gonna do it. Mark Well, okay, okay. 335 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 1: He does the same move every time, and I know, 336 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: and he never goes to his backhand, even though he's 337 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: the best player in the game's history on his backhand. 338 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 3: His backhand is legendary. Yeah, I mean, you're right, and 339 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 3: from the outside you look at it and say, he 340 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 3: does the thing where he comes in slow and tries 341 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 3: to pick a spot and it doesn't work. But I 342 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 3: mean he knows that too, So I mean, like you know, 343 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 3: and I do think I've always thought, I've always had 344 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 3: this opinion about NHL players in general. It lead NHL players, 345 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 3: especially in the shootout, they don't want to look bad, 346 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 3: so they they sort of they limit their creativity because 347 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 3: if you try some kind of triple deck, you know 348 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 3: where you're going to try to backhand shelf and you 349 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 3: just it just rolls off your stick like that looks 350 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 3: bad and the whole crowd groans. But if you pick 351 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 3: a spot and the goalie makes a save, you you 352 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 3: know it's a save, but you don't look bad. So 353 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,120 Speaker 3: I do think there's that element of they don't want 354 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 3: to embarrass themselves in the shootout. But I would think 355 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 3: if you've lost a bunch of shootouts, eventually you'd be like, well, 356 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 3: I'll embarrass myself, like I'll put whatever. You know. It's 357 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 3: like like shooting free throws underhanded. At some point you're 358 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 3: so bad over the top that you say, screw it. 359 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 3: I don't care how bad I look. I got it. 360 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 3: I gotta get these to go in. 361 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: Well, the thing is about doing the same thing every time. 362 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 1: For some guys that works, like Eric Christensen almost always. 363 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 1: You know, did that little bit of a deek there's 364 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 1: four hand under the blocker and it went in like 365 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 1: what forty percent of the time. But still if it 366 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: doesn't work and you do the same thing, that's a 367 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,439 Speaker 1: different story. The other thing I hate, JB. Is it 368 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 1: has become such a thing to come in slow now, 369 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: and I just don't see where that hell help. I 370 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: would come in with speed. 371 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 3: And I understand what you're saying. I tend to agree 372 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 3: with you. When I think of Christensen, I think of 373 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 3: him using that forstbird move because he's so Whenever he 374 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 3: did that, that move was just so awesome. It makes 375 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 3: it he. 376 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 2: Rarely did it, though he almost always went to the forehand. 377 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 3: Sure he was great at it, but you're right that 378 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 3: when these guys come in slow and try to pick 379 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 3: a spot, it feels like it doesn't work. But I just, 380 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 3: like I said, I'm just a little icky on the 381 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 3: idea of telling Sidney Crosby how to take a shoot 382 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:29,159 Speaker 3: out of tempt. He'll work his way out of it. 383 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 3: I mean, one of the things that the hallmark of 384 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,159 Speaker 3: Sidney Crosby's career is if he has a weakness, he 385 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 3: strengthens it. So, you know, but like the clock's tickings got. 386 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: Into Jonathan Bumboy the trip here on the Hockey Night 387 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: Show JB. Let's stay with China Kough. Besides the shoot out, 388 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,400 Speaker 1: he has three goals in nine games, and I think 389 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: he's looked pretty good. And I think not that Gino 390 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 1: was playing poorly, because he wasn't, but he even seems 391 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 1: to have rejuvenated Gino a bit. 392 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 2: That Russian thing. 393 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 3: I feel like they've been trying to find a little 394 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:01,120 Speaker 3: Russian buddy for Gino for like two decades, and maybe 395 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 3: they found one. So many tools with this kid, like 396 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 3: you know, you just you're just waiting for him to 397 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 3: put it together. If he can put it together, he 398 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 3: could be like a really dynamic player because his shot 399 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 3: is awesome and his skating is awesome. So like, I mean, 400 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,679 Speaker 3: that's way more than half the battle. And you know, 401 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 3: I'm a little like I am one of those guys 402 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:26,400 Speaker 3: that's like, hey, you know, the the Brazo and Mantha 403 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 3: and Malcolm worked really well together as a line, So like, 404 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 3: how about we go back to that. I do feel 405 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 3: that way, but I mean, you know, Chinacov could could 406 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 3: change my mind. I mean, just the tools are so impressive, 407 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 3: and you know that he's one of these guys that 408 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,159 Speaker 3: just couldn't put it together. In Columbus, he ended up 409 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 3: with a coach that didn't like him, So that's gonna 410 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,919 Speaker 3: be who got fired, which is probably huge indication for 411 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 3: that kid. But like you know, you're just waiting for 412 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 3: him to to he's got the tools. You're waiting for 413 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 3: him to come up with the toolbox, and if he does, 414 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 3: you may have you know, whether he plays with malcol 415 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 3: or whether he plays with somebody else. I mean, the 416 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 3: bottom line is super talented. 417 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,880 Speaker 1: Kid Kendall hasn't scored in sixteen games, and I think 418 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: he's still playing well JB. 419 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 2: But does he need a game off at eighteen? 420 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 3: Maybe? Yeah, maybe. I mean you do expect a sort 421 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 3: of up and downs with an eighteen year old kid. 422 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 3: You don't look if an eighteen year old comes in 423 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 3: and scores consistently. I mean, there have been about a 424 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,199 Speaker 3: handful of guys in the history of hockey that can 425 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 3: do that, So you expect, you know, your highs and 426 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 3: your lows with an eighteen year old kid. I'm a 427 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:36,360 Speaker 3: little concerned that the youth has left this forward lineup, Oh, 428 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:36,919 Speaker 3: no question. 429 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 1: I'm concerned that it's left the team. I think it's 430 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,919 Speaker 1: become too veterany because they have the send of the 431 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 1: playoffs in their nostrils. 432 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't think it was a coincidence that 433 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 3: they had the good start that they had when they 434 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 3: were playing some of these kids more. I definitely don't 435 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 3: think it's a coincidence because I'm a big believer in 436 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:58,439 Speaker 3: and Sid said this, not me. Getting younger doesn't mean 437 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 3: getting worse. So I think there should be a concerted 438 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 3: effort to get McGroarty in the lineup, get coyven in 439 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 3: the lineup. At some point Sheinicov's the young guy, so 440 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,479 Speaker 3: that's that's a good step. I get a little concerned 441 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 3: about that because I really, honestly believe that the youth 442 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 3: was a huge part of the reason they got and. 443 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: The just not just good PLAYJB, but the energy in 444 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,160 Speaker 1: in the dressing room too. 445 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 3: More so more so energy than good play really, I 446 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 3: mean it just it's just a different vibe. And so, 447 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 3: you know, would you give Kendall a night off shore? 448 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 3: But not many? Because I want I want to maximize 449 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 3: the young guys in the lineup. I want to get 450 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 3: you know, I mean, you talk about she loves struggles. 451 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 3: I want to get. I wouldn't mind if he had 452 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 3: a you know, fictional hamstring injury at some point. Get 453 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 3: one of the kids in there, Get mersha of in there, 454 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 3: get Blonquist in there. I want to see you know, 455 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 3: Pickering when he's ready, like to me. But here's the thing, 456 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 3: I don't think that is anathetical with making the playoffs. 457 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,400 Speaker 3: I think it goes hand in hand with making the playoffs. 458 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 3: I mean, we're not talking about a full scale play 459 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,919 Speaker 3: all the kids ex Generation Rico add on a poster. 460 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 3: That's not what we're talking about. We're talking about just 461 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 3: get a couple of the younger guys in there to 462 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 3: inject that energy into the lineup. So I'd be very 463 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,439 Speaker 3: wary of that heading forward. That that that because coaches 464 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,159 Speaker 3: do this, I mean, and you know, we don't know 465 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 3: Mews is going to do it, but every coach in 466 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,479 Speaker 3: the world does, and it's they lean on their veterans 467 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,120 Speaker 3: as they get closer to the playoffs. And so I'd 468 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,120 Speaker 3: be wary of that. But I mean, look that comes 469 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 3: from I'm always been to play the kids guy, So 470 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 3: I'm sort of biased in that sense. 471 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 1: But I think it's important me too because it works 472 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 1: and was working. Uh well, Tang is playing better with 473 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 1: Carlson not. Why does that always seem to happen? 474 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 3: That's interesting, isn't it? 475 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 2: Like he's been I mean, he know was sid back 476 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 2: when too. 477 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, can you could sort of understand from 478 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 3: a La Tang sense that I mean, he played, you know, 479 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 3: like practically thirty minutes a game is like almost his 480 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 3: whole career until he started playing a little bit less 481 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 3: in the last year. Maybe I mean not even much 482 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 3: more than that, So there could have been an adjustment there. 483 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,439 Speaker 3: And now that he's getting more ice time, he's he's 484 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 3: a little more comfortable. Maybe playing you know, with the 485 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,880 Speaker 3: top line as opposed to the second line is something 486 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 3: that helps him out a little bit. I'm in fact, 487 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:06,679 Speaker 3: there's no question that would help him out a little bit. 488 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 3: I mean, the chemistry that Crosby and Latang have is good. 489 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,120 Speaker 3: The chemistry that Crosby and Carlson have is good too. 490 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 3: I mean, any offensive defenseman is going to want to 491 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 3: play behind Crosby's line. I think that goes without saying. 492 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 3: But I also think that you know, like when you 493 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,639 Speaker 3: look at the numbers Latang, Latang's not bleeding goals against. 494 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 3: He wasn't even when he was playing at his worst, 495 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 3: he wasn't really bleeding goals against. He's just you know, 496 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 3: you see a few more turnovers and you see a 497 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,679 Speaker 3: few more mistakes in his game. But you know, I 498 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 3: don't think he came from the bottom to the top 499 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 3: when Carlson went out. He just kind of his gang 500 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 3: got a little better, and he got a little better 501 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 3: quality of teammates on the ice, got a little more 502 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 3: ice time, and it just sort of ticked up a 503 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 3: little bit to a level where you're like, yeah, that's 504 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:52,399 Speaker 3: that's what Crystal Thank's capable of. 505 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 2: I will say about these Penguins, JB. They don't quit. 506 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 1: In the last seven games, they have scored three goals 507 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,919 Speaker 1: with the goalie pulled. That's a pretty amazing record, and 508 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 1: that'll get your points. 509 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 3: It is, and it's it's a I mean a lot 510 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 3: of that's a testament to Crosby because I mean he's 511 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 3: doesn't it feel like he's sort of orchestrating things when 512 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 3: it's six on five. 513 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 2: Even more than he usually does. 514 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 3: Right, Absolutely, And it's you know, like the last game 515 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 3: is a perfect example. I mean, you know, Latang's always 516 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,680 Speaker 3: looking for that shot pass deflection and you know, you 517 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 3: hit it and it was perfect. I think that we 518 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 3: the flip side of all the shootout problems is that 519 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 3: those one points that they're getting for for you know, 520 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 3: somethings are valuable. I mean, if you look at the 521 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 3: way that this playoff race is going to come down, 522 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 3: I think it's pretty clear it's going to be a 523 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 3: matter of a couple of points, you know, less than 524 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,199 Speaker 3: a handful in terms of making the playoffs and not 525 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 3: make the playoffs. So if you're looking glass half empty, 526 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 3: you can say, yeah, they've blown seven chances in the 527 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 3: shootout to gain that extra point. But if you're looking 528 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 3: glass half full, they've tied some game six on five 529 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 3: to get that point. So those points are gonna matter. 530 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 3: I mean, if the shootout loss points matter, then the 531 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 3: the the you know, tying it up in regulation points, 532 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 3: they matter just as much. I mean you look at 533 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,399 Speaker 3: the bottom, like let's say the race for like second 534 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,959 Speaker 3: and third in the Metropolitan Division, Like I think there's 535 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 3: that's gonna be bunched up all year. I don't see 536 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 3: anybody pull if you think the Islanders, the Capitals, the Penguins, 537 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 3: you think anybody is capable of No. 538 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:27,640 Speaker 2: No, no, I don't. 539 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 1: But that's the kind of shame of where the Penguins 540 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 1: are in the standings, because they have the second fewest 541 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: regulation losses in the conference. They're nine to one in 542 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 1: three against the division, but they're just barely in the playoffs. 543 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:42,239 Speaker 3: And a lot of that has to do with all 544 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 3: the shootout losses. Without a doubt. I mean, you know, 545 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 3: you had three or four more points and it looks 546 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 3: a lot better, and that they're they're they're knocking on 547 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,360 Speaker 3: the door first place if you had three or four 548 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 3: more points. But again, like I said, the shootout loss 549 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,919 Speaker 3: points are points. I mean, you know if those you 550 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,400 Speaker 3: take those seven shootout losses and say they don't past 551 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,439 Speaker 3: regulation and subtracts seven points. Now at the back end 552 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 3: of the standings, you can do it both ways. I know, 553 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 3: I know, I don't know if optimism is in your nature, Mark, 554 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 3: but if you were, you could say, hey, let's shoot 555 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 3: out lost points or are pivotal. 556 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,399 Speaker 1: No, no, every point is pivotal in this race. I 557 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,360 Speaker 1: just would like to see things easier and more more 558 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 1: nailed on, which which was never going to be at 559 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 1: this point in the season. But but things could be better, 560 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:26,640 Speaker 1: uh is said the best defender deflector best deflector the puck. Ever, 561 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 1: we're getting back to that tying goal against Columbus. He's 562 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,160 Speaker 1: got it down to an absolute science. He's so exact 563 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: with it. 564 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, because it's not like what the first name that 565 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:37,880 Speaker 3: pops into my head when you said when you say 566 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 3: deflection goals. And this probably has to do with my age, 567 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 3: because it's a sweet spot for me. Tim Kerr is 568 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 3: the first name that comes to mind. 569 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 4: For you. 570 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: See, I always say Philsposito some I'm a little older 571 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 1: than you. 572 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, okay, But that Tim Kurr, that rotten bastard. 573 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 3: He must have scored against the Penguins like every time 574 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 3: they played the Fires, and I don't think he ever 575 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 3: took a shot like a wrist shot. It like it 576 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 3: would hit his skater or his shin, PADDs butt or 577 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 3: his stick, and he just I remember him like when 578 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 3: I was a kid, that guy drove me freaking crazy. 579 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 3: But what Sid does is different. I mean, you know, 580 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 3: he's not just sort of like a big dumb animal 581 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 3: who parks himself in front of the net and lets 582 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 3: pucks bounce off him. 583 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 1: Right. 584 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 3: He's orchestrating deflections. He's he's setting himself up and and 585 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,479 Speaker 3: you know what else that I think is effective is 586 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 3: when he's sort of camping out, like you know, along 587 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 3: the goal line to in the goaltender's peripheral vision, but 588 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 3: goalie has to know he's there, right. I mean, I 589 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 3: wonder how many goals are scored on shots from the 590 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 3: outside because the goaltender is concerned about where sid is 591 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 3: and the punches goes in on him. Like I saw 592 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 3: an example of that. I don't remember which game it was, 593 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 3: but Malcolm was standing right at the post and seeing that. 594 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 3: The goaltender was like, what's this, what's Malcolm doing here? 595 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 3: And then a shot went in from the point. I mean, 596 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 3: if you saw Crosby lurking over there to your left 597 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 3: and you're a goaltender, you're it's gonna get your attention. 598 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 3: So that makes that makes the offense better for everybody. 599 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm you know Eric Carlson could score a 600 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 3: goal that way. Well, everybody benefits from the way said 601 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 3: deflex the puck. Jjo Pavelski is another name that just 602 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 3: popped in my head. 603 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 1: There I go all the way back to ESPO big 604 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 1: number seven for Boston, seventy seven for the Rangers. 605 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 2: JB. Great stuff. As always, I appreciate you taking the time. 606 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, go to talk to you, Mark. 607 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 1: That's Jonathan Bumboli on the Hockey Night show. I'm Mark Madden. 608 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 1: More hockey taught. Next John the Home of the Penguin 609 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 1: one oh five to nine. 610 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:26,719 Speaker 2: It's the miss Mark Madden. 611 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 3: This is one of the two Chip Straft bringing the 612 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 3: duck taste type of affairs. 613 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 2: What's not gonna make us play a womper game. It's 614 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 2: not fair, it's not far, it's not fair. The exit 615 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 2: one O five nine Hockey coming up. Just throw on 616 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 2: the corner. 617 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 1: Penguins Network pregame next, after that the Penguin in Seattle 618 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 1: Puck drops at five pm. UH got a SoundBite from 619 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 1: the former goaltender Devin dub Nick on the NHL Network 620 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 1: talking about the top six defenseman of the last thirty years, 621 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 1: and he leaves out Eric Carlson. 622 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 2: We do forget about e K a little bit. Carlson. 623 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 4: I mean his his numbers a little bit earlier on 624 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 4: in skill level are. 625 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 1: Really through the roof. 626 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 2: So I would say, maybe Carlson. 627 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 4: You could sneak in there because of the greatness he's 628 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 4: had offensively, although Drew has won a lot of stuff too. 629 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 2: I mean that's why it's hard to make it to 630 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 2: six exactly. We get all this greatness around us. Yeah, 631 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 2: leaving off. 632 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 1: Drew Dowdy, as you might have ascertained from the sound bite. Okay, 633 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 1: Dumnick's list was Lindstrom, Pronger, Niedermeyer, mccarr, Chara, and Quinn Ughes. 634 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 2: I'd put Carlson over Chara. 635 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 1: Char is pretty good, but to me he was mostly 636 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 1: big six foot nine, but he did win. 637 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 2: Carlson has not. It's too early for quinn Us on 638 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 2: that kind of list. 639 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 1: Mccarr. I think he's a bit overrated. He's like Carlson 640 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 1: on speed, but he's real good. It's a solid list. 641 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 1: But what's weird is Carlson has only missed a few 642 00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: games and the Penguins haven't really missed him because Latang 643 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: has picked up his game. So, like JB and I 644 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 1: were just talking about, it's odd how that works. Penguins 645 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 1: against Seattle out west in just a little over an hour, 646 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 1: Seattle ay and all that good early game on Martin 647 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 1: Luther King day, just as doctor King envisioned when he 648 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 1: had a dream. Again, I keep saying they should pull 649 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 1: shill Us for the shootouts. Won't have to today if 650 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: it comes that skinnering goal, but Muse won't. He was 651 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 1: very adamant about that when I asked him it his 652 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: press conference a couple of games ago. I think they 653 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 1: should play Skinner more period. Skinner is the better goaltender. 654 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 1: The Penguins are four and eleven. When the game is 655 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 1: tied after sixty minutes, they ain't gonna cut it. They're 656 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: not playing bad, but they're not playing good enough to 657 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 1: pull away from the pack. And when you don't pull 658 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: away from the pack given chance, you're generally ultimately in 659 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 1: trouble when it comes to make it in the playoffs. 660 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 2: That's that's one thing. 661 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 1: Like I know when they lose a shootout, like JB 662 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 1: made a good point, the points they're getting by tying 663 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 1: games late, like they've scored three times with the goalieat 664 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: in the last seven games to get points, that's important too. 665 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: But when every point counts, the surprise points don't make 666 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 1: up for the point lost. And even though the peng 667 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,719 Speaker 1: was missed the plass by a great deal last year, 668 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 1: we shouldn't forget how close to margin was two and 669 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 1: three years ago. Hop Next, it's the Penguins Network pregame show. 670 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 1: I'm Mark Madden one oh five ninety. 671 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 2: X ready to bring the inside out at Sedgewick, Lamb 672 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 2: and lamb. We bring the beauty of nature to