WEBVTT - 10-6-25  Sloan with Bill Seitz

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<v Speaker 1>Don't want to be an American idiot. Scott's flown back

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<v Speaker 1>on seven hundred WLW. Governor Mike Dewin's Property Tax Reform

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<v Speaker 1>Working Group was tasked with coming up with a better system.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's face it, property taxes in Ohio have been a

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<v Speaker 1>mess for a while now. We've seen taxes rise anywhere

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<v Speaker 1>between what thirty to two hundred percent in some areas,

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<v Speaker 1>and that worries folks, especially seniors on fixed incomes, may

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<v Speaker 1>lose their People are actually worried about losing their homes

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<v Speaker 1>over it. The same time, we have to fund schools,

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<v Speaker 1>police fire ems, all those services. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>the day after these proposals got released, the Ohio Senate

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<v Speaker 1>voted to override Mike Dewina on this bill. Sites is

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<v Speaker 1>the co chair of the working group and joins the

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<v Speaker 1>shout now on seven hundred WWD former Green Township, Ohio

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<v Speaker 1>House Minority Speaker bill. This was when we talked about this,

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<v Speaker 1>I think a few months ago, when you were assigned

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<v Speaker 1>the task of co chairing this, this working group said this,

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<v Speaker 1>this probably could be one of the most difficult things

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<v Speaker 1>you've ever endeavored to do. You laid out twenty ideas

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<v Speaker 1>the Ohio Senate voted to override explain, first of all, Bill,

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<v Speaker 1>what does that mean and the reasoning behind it? And

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<v Speaker 1>is it simply just that you leaned, as the working

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<v Speaker 1>group leaned towards more the House bills and the House

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<v Speaker 1>proposals for the fixed than the Senate bills? And is

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<v Speaker 1>that all this is?

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<v Speaker 2>No? No, no, no, not at all. No. No. Both

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<v Speaker 2>the House and the Senate have already passed the number

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<v Speaker 2>of things about the governor vichos, and now the House

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<v Speaker 2>and Senate are considering overriding the governor on some of

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<v Speaker 2>those beatos. The one that was overridden last week abolished

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<v Speaker 2>replacement levey le we we're.

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<v Speaker 1>Losing we're losing your cell a little bit there, Bill,

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<v Speaker 1>Can you hear me?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I got you, hear me, I got you?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. They abolished the emergency, they abolished substitute, they abolished

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<v Speaker 2>replacement levees, and and and we didn't have too much

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<v Speaker 2>problem with that, because replacement levees confuse voters replace it

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<v Speaker 2>with what substitute levees confused voters substitute for what emergency

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<v Speaker 2>levees have been abused. There's emergency levees that have remained

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<v Speaker 2>in effect for over ten years. That's not an emergency,

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<v Speaker 2>so we don't have a problem with that. But we

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<v Speaker 2>did recommend that we redefine emergency levees, allow them to

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<v Speaker 2>exist for no more than five years, limit them to

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<v Speaker 2>school districts that are about to go into fiscal watch

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<v Speaker 2>or fistal emergency, and acts of God, you know, things

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<v Speaker 2>like floods and tornadoes. Restrict it strictly to that. That's

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<v Speaker 2>one thing we recommended. The other thing that the legislature

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<v Speaker 2>in their zeal to override the wine on this for

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<v Speaker 2>God is there is a law that passed in twenty thirteen.

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<v Speaker 2>I was very involved with it that says that we

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<v Speaker 2>will only pay the twelve and a half percent credit

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<v Speaker 2>on your property tax for levees that were passed before

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<v Speaker 2>twenty thirteen and levees that were renewed after that time.

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<v Speaker 2>Of those levees, well, when you abolish these levees, you're

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<v Speaker 2>cutting off the right of the folks to get there

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<v Speaker 2>twelve and a half percent on those levees that predated

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<v Speaker 2>twenty thirteen, and that results in a ninety six million

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<v Speaker 2>dollars state wide tax, which is not what the legislature

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<v Speaker 2>probably intended. So they're going to have to fix that,

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<v Speaker 2>I think down the road. But let me take a

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<v Speaker 2>step back spot, because people need to understand something. The

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<v Speaker 2>number one problem here is that real estate values have

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<v Speaker 2>greatly outstripped the general rate of inflation. Your wife is

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<v Speaker 2>in real estate. She knows that like the back of

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<v Speaker 2>her hand. And normally that's not much of a problem

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<v Speaker 2>because a nineteen seventy six law says that for most

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<v Speaker 2>voted levees, when a levee passes in all the millage

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<v Speaker 2>backs as values increase, so that the levee produces no

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<v Speaker 2>more money in the current year than it did in

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<v Speaker 2>the year in which it was originally passed. That's true

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<v Speaker 2>for most levees, but there are two kinds of property

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<v Speaker 2>tax levees that don't have that feature. One is, in

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<v Speaker 2>our constitution, each county gets ten mills of unvoted millage

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<v Speaker 2>to divide up among their schools, cities, township counties. That's

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<v Speaker 2>unvoted millage, and that does go up as property values increased.

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<v Speaker 2>The levee money goes up in lockstep with those valuation increases.

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<v Speaker 2>That's one one problem. The other problem is schools are

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<v Speaker 2>when they collect fewer than twenty mills of taxes for schools.

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<v Speaker 2>All of those mills under twenty mills grow in lockstep

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<v Speaker 2>with property value increases, and once you get over twenty mils,

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<v Speaker 2>none of the mills grow with inflation. So schools have

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<v Speaker 2>an incentive to try to stay below that twenty mils.

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<v Speaker 2>But and when they do again, all of that millage

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<v Speaker 2>grows with increasing property valuations. We in the House and

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<v Speaker 2>the Senate seem to be on pretty much the same

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<v Speaker 2>page about one good idea to deal with that, and

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<v Speaker 2>that is to say, when when property values increase at

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<v Speaker 2>a rate faster than the general rate of inflation, the

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<v Speaker 2>general rate of inflation will service a cap on the

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<v Speaker 2>extent to which those higher property values may be reflected

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<v Speaker 2>in your tax bill, so that if inflation is five percent,

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<v Speaker 2>the property night go up fifteen perca, they would be

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<v Speaker 2>capped at five per sack. That is a bill called

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<v Speaker 2>House Till one eighty six, and we endorsed that in

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<v Speaker 2>the form in which it existed in June. It hasn't

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<v Speaker 2>passed yet, but just a week or two ago they

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<v Speaker 2>mended it in the House and tried to reach back

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<v Speaker 2>and claw back from the schools one point seven billion

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<v Speaker 2>dollars that the schools had collected and spent over the

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<v Speaker 2>years twenty two, twenty three, twenty four and twenty five.

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<v Speaker 2>And we haven't taken a position on that, but obviously

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<v Speaker 2>that's posed of the grave degree of problem for the schools.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, they lawfully collected the money, they lawfully spent

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<v Speaker 2>the money. Why are they being made to pay this

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<v Speaker 2>back to the property owners, even though the property owners

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure would love it. So that is the fundamental problem.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you hit on something else that's very important. Senior

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<v Speaker 2>citizens in particular are having a hard time because their

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<v Speaker 2>house is paid for, they've got no kids in schools anymore,

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<v Speaker 2>they're on a fixed income, and they're being hit with

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<v Speaker 2>these property tax increases. Well, there's really only three things

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<v Speaker 2>that you can do to help those needing people. You

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<v Speaker 2>can either expand the existing state homestead exemption, which allows

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<v Speaker 2>folks to exempt part of their valuation from taxes. Or

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<v Speaker 2>you can come up with a tax deferral plan, which

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<v Speaker 2>some states do, which says you can defer payment of

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<v Speaker 2>some of those taxes until you die or until you

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<v Speaker 2>sell the home. Okay, that's the second thing you can

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<v Speaker 2>do to help those needing people. And then the third

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<v Speaker 2>thing you can do is pass something called a circuit breaker,

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<v Speaker 2>which says that when your property tax exceeds a specified

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<v Speaker 2>percentage of your income, you don't have to pay any

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<v Speaker 2>more than that.

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<v Speaker 1>Percentagetcha, Okay, Now, thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>States have done a circuit breaker, Ohio has not. In

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<v Speaker 2>our recommendations, we recommended a modest expansion of the home

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<v Speaker 2>set exemption. We recommended initiation of a modest tax deferral program.

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<v Speaker 2>We also threw in a recommendation that when the state

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<v Speaker 2>feels like they can afford it, they should consider a

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<v Speaker 2>broader exemption of the homestead or expansion of the homestead exemption,

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<v Speaker 2>and they should consider adoption of a circuit breaker. The

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<v Speaker 2>state legislature, my friends and colleagues, and the legislature, they

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to spend any state money on solving this problem.

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<v Speaker 2>And their attitude is, Hey, we're paying the twelve and

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<v Speaker 2>a half percent credit on levi's the past prior to

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<v Speaker 2>twenty thirteen and renewals thereof, and we're paying for the

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<v Speaker 2>existing homestead exemption, and we're not getting any credits for

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<v Speaker 2>that from the voters, So why should we spend more

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<v Speaker 2>state money on it? Well, I understand that point, but

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<v Speaker 2>again I'm concerned about those senior citizens. And you can say, well,

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<v Speaker 2>let the county do it on their dime. Well, the

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<v Speaker 2>problem is not all counties in Ohio have the financial

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<v Speaker 2>whereboom to do that, right, That's why it should be

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<v Speaker 2>done at the state level. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>He is Bill sites on the show as Marcelonia on

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<v Speaker 1>seven hundred. Well, they're very complicated but important issue of

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<v Speaker 1>property tax reform. He is a co chair of the

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<v Speaker 1>working group test by the governor to come up with

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<v Speaker 1>a plan twenty main recommendations here and certainly can't get

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<v Speaker 1>to all twenty and all twenty and not all twenty

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<v Speaker 1>are not out in the weeds. The number of these are.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're talking about the important facets, the fact your

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<v Speaker 1>bottom line. You know, you mentioned seniors and okay, I

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<v Speaker 1>no seniors, fixed income and people are afraid they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to lose their home that they've raised, their family and

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<v Speaker 1>et cetera. But at the same time, it feels like

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of this comes at the expense of young

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<v Speaker 1>people with kids. We hear about seniors and fixed incomes.

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<v Speaker 1>We never hear about young people going, Hey, what about

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<v Speaker 1>some a couple that has to work two jobs or

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<v Speaker 1>more three or four jobs between the two of them,

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<v Speaker 1>and daycare costs. And you know, we look around the

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<v Speaker 1>country and wonder why we are not replacing old with young.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, young people are not having families and having

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<v Speaker 1>kids anymore, largely because they can't afford them. Doesn't this

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<v Speaker 1>further exacerbate that. I understand the need that seniors have,

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<v Speaker 1>but often in politics and we don't talk about younger families,

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<v Speaker 1>which we really need to drive the economic engine and

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<v Speaker 1>also support us an old age. If fewer people are

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<v Speaker 1>having kids, that's bad for seniors overall.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, you know, you make a very good point,

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<v Speaker 2>but every time you try to expand the pool of

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<v Speaker 2>people who should be getting property tax relief, you're dramatically

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<v Speaker 2>increasing the cost. And those younger people do have the

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<v Speaker 2>ability still to work.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a problem with subsidy, right, Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, obviously, property taxes have been around

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<v Speaker 2>in Ohio since the eighteen thirty They account for twenty

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<v Speaker 2>three point nine billion dollars a year. All of that

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<v Speaker 2>goes to local government services. Only the state gets zero

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<v Speaker 2>from property taxes. And to abolish property taxes as there

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<v Speaker 2>is a move of what to do to a still

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<v Speaker 2>advised constitutional amendment to abolish them would mean we would

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<v Speaker 2>need a ten point two percent statewide flat income tax

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<v Speaker 2>if we wanted to replace property taxes income right or

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<v Speaker 2>a or a statewide sales tax rate of about twenty percent,

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<v Speaker 2>which is neither of those are remotely feasible. And so

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<v Speaker 2>people need to consider before you jump on the bandwagon

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<v Speaker 2>and say I don't want to pay any more property taxes. Right, well,

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<v Speaker 2>either you're going to put every local government out of business,

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<v Speaker 2>which is not a good idea. Your school's out of business,

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<v Speaker 2>or you're going to have to have some replacement source

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<v Speaker 2>of revenue that is probably worse than the property tax

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<v Speaker 2>that you're paying now. I mean, a twenty percent statewide

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<v Speaker 2>sales tax would kill the economy in Hamilton County. Everybody

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<v Speaker 2>would drive over the river to Kentucky to buy every share.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, absolutely absolutely. I will also point out there's other districts,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, Kings and many others are moving towards just

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<v Speaker 1>going hey, you know what, we're just gonna We're going

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<v Speaker 1>to propose a one percent or whatever the percentage is,

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<v Speaker 1>let's say, uh income tax, and you know that absolves

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<v Speaker 1>people who aren't working unless retirees are close to retirement

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<v Speaker 1>from paying that sharing that burden. So, and you know

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<v Speaker 1>in lou of this too. One of the things we're

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<v Speaker 1>looking at is just saying, okay, well, property taxes are

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<v Speaker 1>a mass, why don't we just get our money from

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<v Speaker 1>income taxes?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, schools, you know, and schools have the ability to

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<v Speaker 2>place before their voters and income tax. That's been around

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<v Speaker 2>for a number of years now, and a number of

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<v Speaker 2>school distis have done it. Perhaps that is a somewhat

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<v Speaker 2>viable for schools. But townships they have no ability to

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<v Speaker 2>do income tax. Libraries have no ability to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>The zoo is no ability to do that. Your mental

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<v Speaker 2>health and developmental disabilities services don't, your senior citizen services don't.

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<v Speaker 2>So the income tax for schools is a partial solution

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<v Speaker 2>and one that might be looked at because remember, we

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<v Speaker 2>have reduced the state income tax over the last twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five years from north of seven percent down to the

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<v Speaker 2>current level of two point seven five percent. We have

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<v Speaker 2>the lowest state income tax rate of any of our

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<v Speaker 2>sister states here in the Midwest. And so because state

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<v Speaker 2>income tax have gone down, maybe maybe the voters in

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<v Speaker 2>these school districts might buy it's propitious to have a

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<v Speaker 2>local income tax. Personally, I think income taxes are worth

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<v Speaker 2>some property taxes. But that's just me, okay, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and we have to consider that it's not a complete

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<v Speaker 2>solution for the reasons I just gave so many jurisdictions

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<v Speaker 2>dependent on property tax cannot do an income tax, and frank,

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<v Speaker 2>they don't want to. We are doing township no interest

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<v Speaker 2>in doing an income tax when I was on that

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<v Speaker 2>board for seven years in the nineties.

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Sides one. One final question here on the on

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<v Speaker 1>the Budget Commission powers. We talked about the Budget Commission

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<v Speaker 1>to come in and that they balance committee. They they

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<v Speaker 1>have the authority to reduce what are you calling unnecessary

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<v Speaker 1>excessive levees, uh with respecting voter intent, But these are

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<v Speaker 1>the local We talk about local control all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the ultra localis definition of local control is

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<v Speaker 1>that voters approve these levies specifically because they trusted the

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<v Speaker 1>taxing entity's assessment of need. How do you balance that

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<v Speaker 1>with what's happening here?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, what we've done, Okay. The legislation that the General

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<v Speaker 2>Assembly passed said that the Budget Commission, consisting of the

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<v Speaker 2>county Treasurer, the county auditors, and the county prosecutor can

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<v Speaker 2>reduce the millage of any levee that they find to

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<v Speaker 2>be unnecessary or accessive. They never defined unnecessary, they never

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<v Speaker 2>defined accessive. That means you could have eighty eight different

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<v Speaker 2>standards across the eighty eight different counties. They also said

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<v Speaker 2>they also failed to say that the Commission has to

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<v Speaker 2>keep hands off at least for a period of time

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<v Speaker 2>after that levee is passed by the voters, because to

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<v Speaker 2>do otherwise is basically to flap the voters right in

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<v Speaker 2>the face saying you were too stupid to vote for

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to undo what you just voted for. And

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<v Speaker 2>so what we did on our task force is we

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<v Speaker 2>came up with a good type definition of unnecessary and

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<v Speaker 2>a good definition of excessive in both cases, provided by

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<v Speaker 2>our County Auditors Association statewide, and we said the Budget

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<v Speaker 2>Commission cannot reduce levees for the first five years after

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<v Speaker 2>they initially passed, or for the first two years in

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<v Speaker 2>the case of renewal. And so there'll be that poling

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<v Speaker 2>off period, because how wealth are you going to know

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's excessive or unnecessary until it plays out, see

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying. So we're trying to again, this is

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<v Speaker 2>an example spot of where we're trying to refine what

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<v Speaker 2>the legislature has done. We're not trying to say forget it,

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<v Speaker 2>don't do it. We're simply saying, there's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>a few bells and whistles, a few guardrails around these

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<v Speaker 2>new and expanded powers of three county wide officials to

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<v Speaker 2>exercise control over school levees and township levees and park

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<v Speaker 2>levees that they have nothing to do with. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we're just trying to balance that against the will of

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<v Speaker 2>the voters, is what we're trying.

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<v Speaker 1>And that that is indeed the billion dollar question because

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<v Speaker 1>something to listen, this is going man. There's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of moving parts at bill sites laid out and eloquently

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<v Speaker 1>of course, as always too, but lots we don't understand.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm hoping that gets sorted out during a debate

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<v Speaker 1>on both sides of this in the Senate of the House,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Governor's going to have a say in this

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<v Speaker 1>thing too. So what is the timeline before this shakes out?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I know the House and Senate our team to

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<v Speaker 2>do something definitive before the end of the year. There

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<v Speaker 2>is nothing that can be done that would provide any

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<v Speaker 2>relief prior to the second half twenty twenty six property

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<v Speaker 2>tax bills. That's just a matter of timing. You can't

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<v Speaker 2>do anything. I would my focus would be how do

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<v Speaker 2>we fix the system going forward rather than trying to

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<v Speaker 2>recreate history by going backward. Yeah, and so you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, is this a problem, yes, and we should

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<v Speaker 2>fix it going forward. And that was what our group recommended.

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<v Speaker 2>Mostly of our recommendation, we had a great group. It

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<v Speaker 2>was a county auditors, it was school superintendents, the county commissioners,

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<v Speaker 2>county treasurer, you know, we had the mayor, We had

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<v Speaker 2>a mayor in there, a couple of business people in there.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was a good balanced group of people that

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<v Speaker 2>actually are in charge of implementing the whole property tax system.

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<v Speaker 2>And so their expertise really was great and guided us

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<v Speaker 2>very very strongly in the work we did. We met

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<v Speaker 2>every week for two months, every Thursday, for at least

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<v Speaker 2>two hours at a time, and heard from a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of folks that got a lot of written testimony, a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of oral testimony, and did our best away through it.

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<v Speaker 2>On that very short timeline that Mike DeWine gave us.

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<v Speaker 2>He gave us till September thirty.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you and turn that in. What's going to happen

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<v Speaker 1>now is the great debate will continue here in pieces

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<v Speaker 1>of this and we'll get debated and I'm sure we'll

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<v Speaker 1>discuss this in the future too. But yeah, it's been

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<v Speaker 1>an interesting few months for you, I know, co chairing

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<v Speaker 1>this group. Anyway, he's built sites of Green Township. Thanks

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<v Speaker 1>again for coming on the show, appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>Happy to be with you. Better.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm working on that. You work on the property tax

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<v Speaker 1>how's that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? There you go? All right.

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta feel in my foot it's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>better before we figure out property taxes. That's your damn sure. Anyway, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's get a news update in. Did that confuse you?

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<v Speaker 1>Probably did. It's a lot going on there and a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of millages and uh clawbacks and levy structure changes

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<v Speaker 1>and words like unnecessary and excessive kind of makes your

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<v Speaker 1>head swim. But the good news is this will get

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<v Speaker 1>that parceled out in pieces and will debate each each

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<v Speaker 1>element of this at some point to figure out why

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<v Speaker 1>property taxes are so screwed up, and how we can

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<v Speaker 1>get some sanity back to what we pay Scott's Loan

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<v Speaker 1>Show seven hundred ww