WEBVTT - 2-10-26 Scott Sloan Show 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:04.520 Just answered this nationwide keyword on our website bank. That's 0:00:04.720 --> 0:00:11.120 bank answer it now. My Scott's Loan Show on seven 0:00:11.160 --> 0:00:15.880 hundred WLW is Instagram engineered like a like a casino 0:00:17.239 --> 0:00:20.599 in order to hook your kids. The jury's going to 0:00:20.640 --> 0:00:23.840 answer that question as tech CEOs get called to the 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:29.600 witness stand in a very fascinating case where social media, TikTok, insta, Facebook, 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:33.200 all of that is on trial. Jason Philibaum is a 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:36.120 defense attorney here in Cincinnati and joins the show to 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:37.559 discuss Jason, welcome, how you have. 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:39.960 Good morning, doing well? Thank you. 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:43.639 So I've read this and it's fascinating because we're all 0:00:43.640 --> 0:00:45.559 engaged in social in some way, shape or form, but 0:00:45.600 --> 0:00:48.160 especially on more impressionable younger people. And that's the crux 0:00:48.200 --> 0:00:50.960 of the argument. To me, it strikes me as a 0:00:51.159 --> 0:00:54.560 this is essentially a product liability case in that the 0:00:54.640 --> 0:00:56.560 defense is going to have to walk this type rope 0:00:56.600 --> 0:00:59.840 of going, well, yeah, the platforms are engaging by this, 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:03.360 but they're not harmful. And that's the intent of this thing, 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:04.680 is that the folk from here. 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:06.000 Yeah. 0:01:06.360 --> 0:01:08.839 In fact, I think this is going to probably near 0:01:09.600 --> 0:01:14.280 the either the gun cases or the cigarette cases where 0:01:14.720 --> 0:01:18.040 you have, for example, the gun lobby shut that down. 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:21.560 But the cigarette cases, they started out in the sixties 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:24.240 and the seventies, and you have a couple of big verds. 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:27.319 The next thing you know, you have a multi state settlement. 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:30.440 So I think what you're seeing here is the beginning 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:37.280 of either the end or the expansion of social media, having. 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:39.480 Tech companies or other companies that past successfully defended that 0:01:39.600 --> 0:01:40.720 accusation of their products. 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:44.640 Somehow it was addictive, yes, And that's what's interesting. 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:48.720 And again I see such parallels between the social media 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:52.160 trial that's starting now in the cigarette cases, because when 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:54.840 the cigarette cases first started, they defended it and they 0:01:54.920 --> 0:01:57.280 shot it down and they won I think the first 0:01:57.360 --> 0:02:00.960 lawsuit within the fifties, and they lost big time, and 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:03.720 I think they even got attorning keys. And then you know, 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:06.320 they started in the sixties and the seventies, and then 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:10.240 finally it was in I think nineteen eighty eight or 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:10.840 something like. 0:02:10.800 --> 0:02:13.120 That you finally had a big verdict. 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:15.919 And then a few years later the state stepped in 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:18.360 because now you have a flood of lawsuits. So I 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:20.880 think what you're going to see here is you've got 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:24.200 this lawsuit against a social media or all of them 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:28.600 essentially claiming they're addictive, claiming they're subjecting the children to 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:35.560 sexual abuse or other type of anxiety from the images 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:38.880 they see. And what you're going to have is if 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:41.960 they get a verdict here, you can see now a 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:45.720 flood of lawsuits that follow, sort of mirroring the same evidence, 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:47.200 making the same argument. Yea. 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:49.200 Although here's the problem I have, and this is the 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:51.520 argument I would tend to make here, Jason, if I 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:54.800 were the big media companies, tech companies, is that, Okay, 0:02:54.919 --> 0:02:56.800 we're going to do this like we did the like 0:02:56.800 --> 0:02:57.760 the cigarette lawsuit. 0:02:58.160 --> 0:02:58.639 What's the deal. 0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:02.480 Well, we know cigarettes called cancer and the cigarette mantuffacts No, no, 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:04.919 no no, And now we found memos that said, yeah, 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:09.440 we recognize there's a direct correlation between smoking and lung cancer. 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:13.360 That's irrefutable. And there's probably not much else you're doing 0:03:13.440 --> 0:03:16.640 in your life that would cause lung cancer save not 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:20.400 smoking cigarettes. Okay, so there's that direct scientific connection. Whereas 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:23.239 in this case you're making the same argument going, Okay, 0:03:23.440 --> 0:03:26.720 if it weren't for social media, kids would be happy, 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:30.840 they'd be engaged, they wouldn't be depressed. That might be 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:32.640 an ally, that may be a factor but there's also 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:36.440 other causes for this. The causation nightmare is what about 0:03:36.480 --> 0:03:39.400 family trauma? What about academic pressure, what about bullying, what 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:42.120 about genetics? What about COVID? It just keeps going and 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:45.200 going and going, And so there's other factors I could 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:47.840 I could point to in a child's life as to 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:50.000 why they might be addicted to social media and why 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:52.520 their temperament is bad. And you know, there are some 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:54.720 kids killing themselves, there's no question about it, and maybe 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:56.880 social pushes them over the edge. But there's a whole 0:03:56.880 --> 0:04:00.240 host of other factors you have with social media that 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:01.720 you don't have with cigarette smoking. 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:05.720 And I think that's exactly what the social media companies 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:08.440 are going to be seeing. So we talked, you know, 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:12.040 just now it's almost like cigarettes. But one would argue, 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:14.040 and I think your argument was, this is more like 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:18.200 the gun cases, the firearm cases, where you know, yes 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:21.720 guns can cause damage and yes guns can cause death, 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:24.840 but there's an intervening cause and that's a bad guy 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:27.560 doing it. You know, guns just don't pop up and 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:31.240 start killing people. It's some bad guy picks up a 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:32.599 gun and does something bad. 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:34.200 And so that's what they're going to argue. 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:36.880 Here in social media, which is, look, you know, we 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:39.800 we have a platform, and if a bunch of you know, 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:44.000 perverts get on and start, you know, sending messages your kids, 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:49.479 that's a bad actor using otherwise okay platform. And so 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:53.000 I think that's that's the biggest hurdle that the plaintiffs 0:04:53.040 --> 0:04:54.960 are going to have to get over, which is, you 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:59.040 know this this is designed to be you know, addictive. Maybe, 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:01.600 but at the end of the day, it's only causing 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:04.599 trouble because the bad guys on the other side doing things, 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:07.440 and that's you know, one could argue with mirrors the 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:10.839 gun lobby cases which end up going away. 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:13.039 Well, the gun lobby cases were interesting in that the 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:15.560 argument we all to say product defect issue. This is 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:18.280 a product liability issue and a gun company so well 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:21.000 not really. You put around in the chamber, you load it, 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:23.279 you rack it, and you pull the trigger and a 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:26.200 bullet flies out. No, that works like it should. It 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:28.400 depends on who's using it and what the intent is. 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:33.000 Right, That's what they basically said, like, look, these social 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:36.840 media platforms, there's other reasons for mental health. You know, 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:39.120 we have a society that's built. 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:41.880 On bad news or you know, We've got people on 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:43.400 the other side that are them. 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:45.719 And all this does is is create more of a 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:48.240 public form that you're going on yourself. 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:50.040 The parents are allowing it to happen. 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:53.560 And so the argument from the social media company is, look, 0:05:53.600 --> 0:05:56.599 we provide a platform where people can share pictures and 0:05:56.680 --> 0:05:59.320 talk about their life, and just because someone comes in 0:05:59.400 --> 0:06:02.800 and does something bad or because another friend starts to 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:06.839 bully you, that's not on us. I mean, we can't 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:10.160 have a free, open platform but then regulate everybody. That's 0:06:10.160 --> 0:06:12.800 a whole different issue that Connors is looking at. And 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:14.760 so I think that's what they're going to claim, is 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:19.039 that bad actors are what causing your child's mental health, 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:22.360 not the actual Instagram or Facebook or TikTok. 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:25.880 Well, the idea is you're getting fed a steady diet 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:28.760 of everything that you want to hear. But okay, that's 0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:31.120 social media and there's an algorithm for that. How is 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:33.719 that different in any way, shape or form than something 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:36.799 I may watch on streaming, for example, or TV, whether 0:06:36.839 --> 0:06:39.560 it's I don't know, it could be food TV. Maybe 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:41.640 I have a food today. I can watch food NonStop 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:42.960 all the time to make a look good. They don't 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:45.599 see the after effects of it, or something that we 0:06:45.640 --> 0:06:48.120 could recognize as cable news. You know, if you are 0:06:48.920 --> 0:06:50.880 you know, if you write leaning, you watch Fox News. 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:54.479 But there's even more extreme networks out there one America. 0:06:54.520 --> 0:06:57.880 There's Newsmax, right, and that's a steady the same algorithms 0:06:57.880 --> 0:07:00.679 and play here. Why would they be exempted social media? 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:00.800 Not? 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:03.440 Yeah, exactly. 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:06.320 I mean, I mean that's anything right now, that's just 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:10.600 targeting on advertising. I mean you'll look up something for 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:13.080 a puppy and next thing you know, you're flooded with 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:16.360 everything that goes along with the puppy, from leashes, the food, 0:07:16.480 --> 0:07:19.720 the puppy pads, you name it. And I think in 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:22.840 this case that's what they're going to argue is, look, yes, 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:26.200 we set it up so if you show interest in baseball, 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:28.280 we're going to show you a bunch of baseball stuff. 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:30.840 If you show interest in workout, we're going to show 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:34.600 you workout stuff. And then likewise, you know, people can 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:37.640 come on and talk to you, and if they're bad 0:07:37.680 --> 0:07:40.800 about it, that's on them. Now, what I'd be most 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:45.880 interested is snap Chat and TikTok settled before this started, 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:48.640 and I'd be curious. We'll never know what that amount 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:51.600 is for but you know, something about snap Chat and 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:54.640 TikTok had them worried enough to leases to a settlement, 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:57.880 and I'm guessing that settlement is what then is fueling 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:01.920 the litigation on the other because there's experts involved, there 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:03.840 was an undercover study done. 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:05.720 I mean, this is going to be very interesting to 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:06.840 watch over the next month. 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:09.240 Yeah, there's another factor you don't have and all these 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:11.840 other suits. Jason Philibaum, attorney at law, we're talking about 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:14.800 the interesting case. I think it's going to kind of 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:17.640 grip us here too, because we're all involved in social 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:19.360 media in some way, shape or form. The young you 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:22.880 are probably more likely. But products like Instagram and TikTok 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:26.680 and Facebook and x are they engineered to hook your kids? 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:29.320 And the juries can answer that question as CEOs like 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:33.040 Zuckerberg get called to the witness stand shortly to say, yeah, 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:35.120 well we wanted the product to be engaging, but no, 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:38.000 it's not addictive. It's not causing all these societal problems 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:41.440 facing young people specifically. There's also something in there that's 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:44.120 not applied to any other the types of suits we've 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:46.320 talked about. When comes a pride to product liability, Jason. 0:08:46.360 --> 0:08:49.960 That's something called Section two thirty, which basically protects platforms 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:53.559 from liability for user generated content. So I may get 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:57.960 on social and create something that's not on meta or YouTube, 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:00.760 that's on the user, and so it does exactly so 0:09:01.120 --> 0:09:03.320 do section two thirty provide a shield here from these 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:04.040 suits even more? 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:06.360 That's what they're going to argue. 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:09.240 And I think what you have is, you know, we 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:12.440 had the whole argument what five years ago, when before 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:15.480 X was taken over by month, you know, we're we're 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:19.480 certain people being blocked out or being excluded, and is 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:22.360 this a public form? And of course Congress acts and 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:25.120 basically says, look, you can you can say and do 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:27.520 what you want on these platforms because who it is 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:31.160 for me to say that's misinformation? And then so now 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:33.760 I think you're going to see the social media companies 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:36.319 argue the same thing, which is, look, we do make 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:40.200 this engaging, we do make this interesting. If you like something, 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:42.400 we're going to send you more things that way. But 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:45.079 at the end of the day, we can't control what 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:48.320 people do, whether they harass you, whether they put false 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:51.640 information out there or anything else. We can't control that. 0:09:51.760 --> 0:09:55.199 And there's actually a statue that says we shouldn't and 0:09:55.840 --> 0:09:57.160 we're not liable for that. 0:09:57.520 --> 0:09:59.120 At the end of the day, this will. 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:03.920 Then come down to are they knowingly putting children at risk? 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:07.040 And I think that's a hard burden to overcome for 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:11.600 the plaintiffs. How does the First Amendment factor into that, Well, 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:15.199 I think that protects the speech that comes across. But again, 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:17.920 if you're it's like it's like a cigarette. You know, 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:22.040 it's you, it's your right to to smoke, and you 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:25.040 choose to do that. But we put a product out 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:27.400 that we knew was going to be damaging, that we 0:10:27.480 --> 0:10:30.760 knew was going to cause cancer, and the only difference 0:10:30.800 --> 0:10:34.720 and then we advertise towards you. Now that I think 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:37.080 the same thing could be said about social media. We 0:10:37.200 --> 0:10:40.320 created this product that we knew would take up eight 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:41.680 hours of your day of scrolling. 0:10:41.760 --> 0:10:43.160 We knew that it would, you. 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:46.480 Know, cause vision trouble or or mental health trouble because 0:10:46.480 --> 0:10:49.000 you're not sleeping. And then we also made it more 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:51.440 addictive so we can send more stuff at you. And 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:53.439 we knew a lot of that stuff was that if 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:56.600 that's what they can prove, then yeah, there could be 0:10:56.720 --> 0:10:59.480 a verdict in this case. But that social media comes 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:02.080 back and says, wait a second. All we did was 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:05.560 again create a platform that's fun, and the more fun 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:06.960 it is, the more you're gonna want to do it. 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:11.800 But that's life. That's not creating a bad sort of product. 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:14.600 That's the people that engage that you're with. It's like 0:11:14.720 --> 0:11:17.440 going to a park. We created a beautiful park, but 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:19.839 if there's bad people and they're yelling at you and 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:23.280 doing stupid stuff, that's that's not on us, that's on 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:24.280 the bad people. 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:26.240 Jason. A couple of studies have come out in the 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:29.520 last couple of years from different institutions, and I was 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:32.600 talking about it earlier in the show, and that factors 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:36.280 in here, and that is, you know, certainly young people 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:38.560 in particular who spend a lot of time and girls 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:42.040 especially spend a lot of time on social media, they 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:44.640 tend to be more depressed, to have higher levels of anxiety, 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:49.240 less performance, things along those lines. However, versus kids who 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:51.400 are completely banned from social media, the kids who have 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:53.360 a little bit of social media in their lives tend 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:55.400 to fare better. And so it sounds to me like 0:11:55.440 --> 0:11:57.760 the research says there's a happy medium. You know, if 0:11:57.760 --> 0:12:00.160 you spend all your time looking at your phone. That's 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:02.719 really really bad. If you don't have a phone, or 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:05.480 don't use or don't engage, it's it's not as bad 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:07.640 as that, but it's also not good. There's a sweet spot, 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:10.559 and it's always in the middle in that regard. Then 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:13.480 we have things like teen accounts and parental controls and 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:15.679 screen time warnings and all that stuff. If those tools 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:17.920 are out there, and the same people who bring the 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:20.880 suit fail to engage in that and fail to monitor 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:23.280 their kids because you know, they're kids, they don't have agency, 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:27.800 isn't that an affirmative defense for the tech companies and saying, hey, listen, 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:30.800 you're a parent. You have a responsibility to parent. You know, 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:32.480 you know, you got to know what your kid's doing 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:34.840 and monitor. You gave them a phone. They didn't buy 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:37.079 the phone themselves under the money, especially the young ones. 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:38.440 Is that on the parent? 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:42.880 Yeah, yeah, And that's what the meta attorney actually said 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:48.040 in open which basically they have repeatedly warn parents and teams, 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:52.040 but more importantly the parents that harmful conduct does or 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:56.160 content does get past our firewalls. They do get past 0:12:56.200 --> 0:12:59.120 the safeguards, and this can be an issue, and you 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:02.120 need the monitor child. It's like taking the child to 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:04.480 a play area and just letting them go and they 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:07.160 fall off the top. At some point, you've got to 0:13:07.440 --> 0:13:10.199 monitor your children as well. And I think that's what 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:13.320 you know, Meta at least was arguing, which is the 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:16.800 parents have responsibility too, And you know, just because you 0:13:16.880 --> 0:13:20.400 open up an area and let your kid go unexplored, 0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:23.400 that's not on us. We've warned you. And this goes 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:25.800 back to the whole product liability issue. You and I 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:28.480 have joked about this. Before you want a drinking party 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:31.720 at home, go read your warning labels on all your products, 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:35.040 because that means someone did that to get that warning 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:38.120 label there. And I think that's what they're saying, is 0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:40.600 we put the warning here that said it could be 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:42.840 a problem, and you ignored it and let your kid 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:45.680 just have a free phone for eight ten hours a day. 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:49.160 I believe I saw Mark Zuckerberg is going to testify, 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:51.320 and that is going to be a moment for sure. 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:54.280 What are the legal risks for Meta putting him on 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:54.720 the stand. 0:13:56.160 --> 0:13:59.839 Well, he probably doesn't know a lot about the You know, 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:02.560 at the end of the day, you become so big 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:04.920 in your company that you don't necessarily know the little 0:14:05.200 --> 0:14:07.320 but I think that'll be very interesting. I mean, he's 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:12.640 testified in Congress, so you know, he's testified before hearings. 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:14.760 I would think that he's going to do pretty well. 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:19.240 Set up to testify. I think the things that going 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:21.240 to be interesting is that they hit him with something 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:24.160 that maybe he didn't know about, you know, something someone 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:27.120 lower or whatever they said. But in this case, this 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:29.160 has been going on for a while. They've got Discovery. 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:32.040 I would hope he's prep and I think Instagram CEO 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:36.000 is also going to testify, and that'll again be interesting 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:39.880 because they've all testified in Congress, again, pretty hostile crowds 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:43.040 where the rules of evidence don't apply. I would think 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:45.640 they're probably going to end up doing fine, and it's 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:47.960 the people underneath them that's that's going to be the 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:51.560 real interesting is how this operates, how this works, how 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:53.080 they actually target the kids. 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:55.480 That's that's I think going to be end up cruct 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:55.920 of the case. 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:58.120 Yeah, because the I mean, it's really this, this whole 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:00.720 thing we're talking about, this culture. It's all his fault 0:15:02.080 --> 0:15:04.320 because he was a nerd at Harvard and wanted to 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:07.800 be chicks. That's that's basically what this whole thing came about. 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:09.880 It was like, it's like a senior prank called wildly, 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:11.280 wildly out of control. 0:15:11.000 --> 0:15:15.760 And ruck, I mean downfall society, social media and next 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:17.160 thing is terminator. 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:17.680 With all the ais. 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:20.760 But hey, at the end of the day, we're welking 0:15:20.800 --> 0:15:23.320 him it with open arms. And that's the defense of 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:25.880 the social media is, look, you guys use it, so 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:28.760 all we'd do is putting the products out there. And 0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:31.680 just because other people use it poorly, that's not on. 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:32.520 Us, right. 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:36.920 Okay, So we saw Snapchat and TikTok settle. Do they 0:15:36.960 --> 0:15:38.720 wind up just settling in this case? Is that and 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:42.440 the foregone conclusion here? Jason philbum No, I. 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:43.720 Think they're going to go through with it. 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:46.280 I think they have decided that they're going to be 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:49.880 a target if they settle, I mean if and I 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:54.000 think I don't know why TikTok and Snapchat did. I 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:56.480 don't know if there's maybe some internal memos that could 0:15:56.480 --> 0:15:58.200 have got them in trouble, but at the end of 0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:01.200 the day they settled. But I think think you've got 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:03.800 Instagram and Facebook and meta and all that they're going 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:06.280 to fight this to the end because otherwise you're going 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:09.200 to open up a flood of litigation like they do, 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:12.320 like they did in the cigarette cases, and so I 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:14.560 think we're going to end up seeing this at a verdict. 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:18.040 Interesting all right, he's Jason Philibum defense attorney. Maybe a 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:19.800 little outside his scope here, but the guy knows more 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:22.120 about law than most people do for sure, especially Lawa's 0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:23.520 Jason all the best, buddy, appreciate you. 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:25.520 I appreciate it. Thank you, and their. 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:27.840 Official attorney of the Scott Sloan Show here on seven 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:31.080 hundred WLW, we'll get a time out of news. I 0:16:31.120 --> 0:16:33.360 want to talk about this more after the news here 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:36.400 at nine point thirty. And this is a huge, huge 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:38.560 issue and if you think about it, there are all 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:42.800 sorts of core questions here because as I mentioned, there's 0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:45.360 a precedent if they wind up winning, the plaintiffs win 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:48.480 this case, meaning that social media is addictive by design 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:52.760 and they're at fault. Does that open up I mean Netflix, 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:56.560 for example, go after Netflix because of AutoPlay or you know, 0:16:56.640 --> 0:17:01.080 news sites, infinite scroll, or mobile games, online shopping. I'll 0:17:01.080 --> 0:17:03.120 go the thems pretty much everything, and I mentioned no 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:05.520 cable news would be a great example of that. Are 0:17:05.520 --> 0:17:08.400 we just opening Pandora's box where if you just get 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:13.080 on the information super high Highway, getting the digital fast lane. Now, 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:14.720 all of a sudden, there's legal risk involved for the 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:18.560 company put the content out there. What uh yeah, that's 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:21.760 pretty scary, right. I'll also make this case. I don't 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:24.240 think social media should be on trial at all. I 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:27.200 don't think that's what should be on trial. There's something else, 0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:29.679 and we'll get into that right after news in your 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:32.520 calls just ahead, Scott's Loan show. This is seven hundred WW. 0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:38.639 Scott Floatan continues here seven hundred WLW. Welcome to the 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:41.359 show on this Tuesday morning, the sunshine's in. 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:43.960 We're at h What I got here? 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:47.040 I don't have my ammometer here. Let me look at 0:17:47.040 --> 0:17:49.480 the old watch. I got thirty eight degrees. Watch this 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:50.919 thirty eight. Let's go at thirty eight. 0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:51.199 I don't know. 0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:54.159 I have to hopefully north of fifty today. Hopefully your 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:57.720 some pump is working, gonna be a lot by Buddy 0:17:57.760 --> 0:17:59.920 Bobby Miles and Basement Doctor's gonna get a lot of 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:03.600 calls in three to one. That's just how it is. 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:05.920 I kind of got a little theme running for the 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:07.360 first half of the show. Tod I just had Jason 0:18:07.400 --> 0:18:10.159 Phillbaum and talk about the social media addiction trial. I 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:13.560 think that's fascinating. Christine Miles as a psychologist. She's on 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:17.119 later to talk about then update on you know, the 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:20.240 schools have banned cell phones largely because the dangers of that. 0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:25.320 I mentioned the real problem here and I you know, 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:27.200 thinking about it, was like, Okay, social media, it's so 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:29.199 bad for kids, so bad, so bad, And then you 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:32.439 have studies come out and going, yeah, but kids who 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:36.399 aren't engaged in social media tend to also have problems 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:41.120 socializing and mental stress and things like that, largely because 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:43.359 that's her kids meet. You know, if you simply deny 0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:45.720 the kid going hey, you cal it's really bad you 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:48.640 can't have a cell phone, that's our whole social sphere. 0:18:48.960 --> 0:18:50.600 That's like saying, well, you're not allowed to go to 0:18:50.600 --> 0:18:51.840 the mall. You're not allowed to go to the movies. 0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:53.480 You're not allowed to go you know, when we were younger, 0:18:53.520 --> 0:18:55.479 that's how kids socialize in person. They do it digitally. 0:18:55.520 --> 0:18:59.560 Now it's just the way things are, and so's that's 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:01.600 not good for the kid either. So there's a happy 0:19:01.640 --> 0:19:03.359 medium where you actually, I hate to say it, you know, 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:06.639 we got a parent. That's the hardest thing in the 0:19:06.640 --> 0:19:09.119 world is parenting. You know, you just can't simply let 0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:12.440 your kid go feral. And then when they spend twenty 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:15.040 hours a day on the phone and there you know 0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:19.080 they they don't develop properly or they have mental health issues. 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:20.680 You turn around and you sue the company. It's like, 0:19:20.720 --> 0:19:22.600 well you got on the phone. Is you do have 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:25.960 a some liability in this yourself actually the bulk of it. 0:19:27.320 --> 0:19:29.440 And a kid has to be an educated consumer, sadly 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:31.919 at a younger age than we were. But that's them's 0:19:31.920 --> 0:19:36.439 the rules, right. And I point this out because you know, 0:19:36.440 --> 0:19:38.280 if you think about it, the problem here going after 0:19:38.320 --> 0:19:41.399 social media, that social in my opinion, should not be 0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:45.199 the thing on trial here. It should be smartphones. I 0:19:45.200 --> 0:19:48.720 mean a smartphone, it's a handheld slot machine. If you 0:19:48.760 --> 0:19:54.240 go into the casino, downtown anywhere for that matter, everything 0:19:54.280 --> 0:19:57.960 in there is set up for them to take your money. 0:19:58.000 --> 0:19:59.919 And we know this going in. We know the how 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:04.720 hose always wins. You go to Vegas, Why do they 0:20:04.720 --> 0:20:07.040 comp your drinks, why do they comp your rooms? Why 0:20:07.040 --> 0:20:09.399 do you get the comp this that? Because you spend 0:20:09.440 --> 0:20:12.800 a lot of money playing the games and at the 0:20:12.880 --> 0:20:14.760 end of the day when you get a free family 0:20:14.760 --> 0:20:16.840 members that go and they gamble it, and they gamble 0:20:16.960 --> 0:20:19.520 uf with like they never pay for a cruise. I 0:20:19.520 --> 0:20:21.560 think it's awesome. It's like you go now, it's one 0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:24.080 hundred dollars, basically, go on this cruise. Why is it 0:20:24.119 --> 0:20:26.320 because we gamble a lot and you can write those 0:20:26.560 --> 0:20:28.119 now for your taxes. The whole thing. I don't know 0:20:28.160 --> 0:20:30.359 if it's a wash or not, but again, it's your money. 0:20:30.359 --> 0:20:32.080 You worked a lifetime, you earned it. Do what you 0:20:32.119 --> 0:20:34.200 want with your money. I don't need the government or 0:20:34.240 --> 0:20:35.840 anyone else tell me what to do what I want 0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:37.119 to do with my money. If I want to give 0:20:37.119 --> 0:20:38.720 it to charity, give it to the church, or gamble 0:20:38.720 --> 0:20:41.800 it away. It's my damn money. Leave me alone. Leave 0:20:41.840 --> 0:20:45.040 me alone. And so you go to a casino and 0:20:45.080 --> 0:20:47.040 it's all set to take that money from you, right. 0:20:48.680 --> 0:20:52.680 All of the bells on a slot machine, the chimes 0:20:52.720 --> 0:20:57.080 are done in a certain way, in a certain fashion 0:20:57.240 --> 0:20:59.359 to make that the most appealing sound in the world 0:20:59.440 --> 0:21:03.240 to you. Done researching the whole thing about pumping oxygen, 0:21:03.320 --> 0:21:05.840 and they really don't. But it's a good wives tele 0:21:05.920 --> 0:21:08.000 all and get you to spend more money to game 0:21:08.080 --> 0:21:11.080 up more. Okay, so if that's true with the casino, 0:21:11.160 --> 0:21:14.639 we don't band casinos, we regulate them. I look at 0:21:14.680 --> 0:21:16.119 social media, go. I don't look at social media. I 0:21:16.119 --> 0:21:19.119 think it's the phone, because it is that handheld slot machine. 0:21:19.160 --> 0:21:22.159 It is literally an amusement park in the palm of 0:21:22.160 --> 0:21:26.040 your hand. You can certainly look at social media. You 0:21:26.080 --> 0:21:30.000 can engage in that. You can scroll videos, you can 0:21:30.080 --> 0:21:32.639 listen to audio and podcast, you can play games, you 0:21:32.680 --> 0:21:35.359 can watch porn, you can bet, you can gamble. You 0:21:35.359 --> 0:21:37.360 can do all of these things you want to do 0:21:37.920 --> 0:21:40.960 within the palm of your hand. And so I don't 0:21:41.000 --> 0:21:42.440 know if it's social that should be on trial. It 0:21:42.440 --> 0:21:46.160 should be the phone. But that's a whole separate set, 0:21:46.160 --> 0:21:48.480 that's a whole different indictment. It's easier to blame social 0:21:48.480 --> 0:21:52.120 media is the evil thing because yeah, in a way, 0:21:52.160 --> 0:21:54.160 we're on but no, I'm just on Facebook. I don't 0:21:54.200 --> 0:21:56.560 look at it that much. Okay, good, but you know 0:21:56.680 --> 0:21:59.560 that's not the platform young people are on. But you 0:21:59.600 --> 0:22:01.440 can be. I'm addicted to that phone as well. I 0:22:01.480 --> 0:22:04.600 also point out this that if the whole crux of 0:22:04.600 --> 0:22:08.600 the argument, like smoking or guns or whatever it might be, 0:22:08.640 --> 0:22:11.760 as the fact that this is a product liability issue 0:22:12.600 --> 0:22:15.639 and nothing else and they win this thing. Here's what 0:22:15.680 --> 0:22:20.200 should scare you about this is that, all right, snapchack, 0:22:20.359 --> 0:22:23.520 the snapchat TikTok. They settled and now it's meta and 0:22:23.640 --> 0:22:27.560 YouTube right now. But okay, this social media's addictive. Well, 0:22:27.960 --> 0:22:30.399 all right, then they will come after your phones next. 0:22:30.440 --> 0:22:34.680 This certainly makes a mobile phone even more so, I think, 0:22:34.720 --> 0:22:39.600 than social media, something that could be banned or litigated against, 0:22:39.600 --> 0:22:42.640 in the sense that the nature of the phone itself 0:22:42.720 --> 0:22:46.440 is addictive. I mean when the first iPod came out. 0:22:46.640 --> 0:22:48.439 You may not have been around then when the iPod 0:22:48.480 --> 0:22:50.400 came Remember the first iPod came out, and these things 0:22:50.400 --> 0:22:52.080 were you know, they weren't part of your phone, and 0:22:52.119 --> 0:22:54.439 it was you know, we weren't streaming music over the 0:22:54.840 --> 0:22:57.600 over your over data. It was a cost prohibit. You 0:22:57.600 --> 0:23:00.119 had download the song onto the physical iPad. You have 0:23:00.160 --> 0:23:02.480 a phone and you have an iPod with you, and 0:23:02.520 --> 0:23:04.760 the iPod is about the size of while the cell 0:23:04.800 --> 0:23:08.800 phone now about the palm of your hand. And when 0:23:08.800 --> 0:23:12.120 they designed that, they designed it for something that had 0:23:12.119 --> 0:23:15.119 a tactile feel to it, like the back of the 0:23:15.119 --> 0:23:21.640 the the original and the iPods. They were chrome, they're heavy, 0:23:21.800 --> 0:23:23.919 and the edges were round it. It was shining and you 0:23:23.960 --> 0:23:26.639 wanted to touch it. And the buttons were intuitive and 0:23:26.680 --> 0:23:29.240 you felt it and weren't you know, just touch screens, 0:23:29.280 --> 0:23:32.280 the actual physical buds and the whole product. The field 0:23:32.320 --> 0:23:35.120 was designed for you not to want to put it down. 0:23:35.200 --> 0:23:38.399 It felt good in your hand, and that was the 0:23:38.480 --> 0:23:41.520 first step towards developing a product, as all products are. 0:23:41.680 --> 0:23:45.240 That's not only visually and audio opena, but sensory from 0:23:45.240 --> 0:23:47.919 a sensory perspective of the peeling. It drew you in. 0:23:48.280 --> 0:23:50.040 It made you want to use it more. It made 0:23:50.040 --> 0:23:54.040 it so you never wanted to set it down. That's 0:23:54.080 --> 0:23:57.000 that's a hell of a design. But okay, does that 0:23:57.080 --> 0:24:02.719 now mean that the whole idea of music YouTube, for example, 0:24:02.720 --> 0:24:05.240 against social media more than anything. I think it's just videos, 0:24:05.240 --> 0:24:08.720 it's not. It's a social media channel that those algorithms 0:24:08.760 --> 0:24:10.080 are set up for you to get more of the 0:24:10.160 --> 0:24:13.800 videos you want to see. So, by nature, the way 0:24:13.840 --> 0:24:16.280 we design things are that you use it more. You 0:24:16.320 --> 0:24:18.919 can say the same thing about food, about potato chips. 0:24:19.520 --> 0:24:21.879 You know, I get you go get a bag of 0:24:21.960 --> 0:24:25.840 grippos the barbecue, especially, why do you want to eat 0:24:25.840 --> 0:24:28.600 the whole bag? Because they've got a great balance between salt, 0:24:28.960 --> 0:24:33.080 between fat, and between sugar. And we talk about that 0:24:33.119 --> 0:24:35.439 when it comes to obesity. Look at all the hidden 0:24:35.480 --> 0:24:37.680 sugar and product wires. There sugar in there. Shouldn't be 0:24:37.720 --> 0:24:39.720 sugar in this. Yeah, it's there's sugar in it to 0:24:39.720 --> 0:24:43.119 make it more appealing. So it rewires your taste buds, 0:24:43.160 --> 0:24:46.080 not in a conspiratorial sense, but rather they want you 0:24:46.119 --> 0:24:49.040 to eat more because you'll buy more chips. You also 0:24:49.119 --> 0:24:51.800 have to have the ability to go I'm good, I'm satiated, 0:24:51.880 --> 0:24:56.840 I'm fine. So what else are we going to go 0:24:56.880 --> 0:24:59.639 after if they win this lawsuit? Is it going to 0:24:59.680 --> 0:25:02.320 be food? It's gonna be phones, It's gonna be music. 0:25:03.240 --> 0:25:06.280 Netflix comes to mind. They've got auto play. The algorithm 0:25:06.280 --> 0:25:08.359 sees what you're watching, goes hey, we think you'll like this. 0:25:08.800 --> 0:25:11.720 But that's not just Netflix. That's every streaming platform from 0:25:11.720 --> 0:25:17.159 Netflix to YouTube, TV to Amazon Prime, ESPN, whatever it 0:25:17.240 --> 0:25:21.119 might be. News sites have something called infinite scroll. You 0:25:21.119 --> 0:25:22.840 read a story and it sends you more of what 0:25:22.880 --> 0:25:27.639 you want. I would argue also that if you're sitting 0:25:27.680 --> 0:25:30.119 there going, well, you know this is we got the 0:25:30.200 --> 0:25:33.239 social it's the problem the fu I don't know. If 0:25:33.280 --> 0:25:36.080 you're still hooked up to cable you're watching cable news, 0:25:38.119 --> 0:25:41.400 all right. If you like Fox, and you've watched Fox 0:25:41.400 --> 0:25:44.679 because you're conservative, you might really like like One America, 0:25:44.760 --> 0:25:47.360 or you might like Newsmax. We are the commercials for Newsmax. 0:25:47.400 --> 0:25:49.479 And the whole thing with Newsmax is basically is like 0:25:49.800 --> 0:25:52.160 Trump likes Newsmax, so you should watch it too. Tell 0:25:52.200 --> 0:25:53.440 the president you watch TV. 0:25:53.600 --> 0:25:53.919 Wait what? 0:25:55.440 --> 0:25:57.920 And if that's part of your identity and who you are, 0:25:58.000 --> 0:26:00.399 then isn't that a steady diet of more of the 0:26:00.480 --> 0:26:03.240 things that you're addicted to? Now it doesn't give you 0:26:03.320 --> 0:26:04.760 a great sense of what's going on the rest of 0:26:04.760 --> 0:26:07.320 the world or opposing viewpoints, or you know, the ability 0:26:07.359 --> 0:26:09.560 to think for yourself, which I try to do. I 0:26:09.640 --> 0:26:11.240 just don't want people lying to me. I don't care 0:26:11.320 --> 0:26:13.960 if you're a Democrat or Republican. I want to know 0:26:13.960 --> 0:26:15.520 what the agenda is and let me figure out the 0:26:15.520 --> 0:26:18.360 game myself. That's just how I'm more and I get 0:26:18.359 --> 0:26:20.720 I'm a unicord in that regard. Although I suspect the 0:26:20.720 --> 0:26:23.760 way things are going maybe more people are going to go, yeah, 0:26:23.800 --> 0:26:25.359 you know what, maybe we got a back off, like 0:26:25.359 --> 0:26:26.960 social media, we need a back off a little bit. 0:26:27.680 --> 0:26:30.000 But you know, could you go after one of these 0:26:30.400 --> 0:26:33.280 conservative or you know, if you I don't know, maybe 0:26:33.280 --> 0:26:36.360 watch CNN. But now you're going, hey, you know, msnbs 0:26:36.359 --> 0:26:38.800 are the view for God's sakes. With that First Amendment lawsuit, 0:26:38.840 --> 0:26:42.040 same thing. It's like, if you want a steady diet 0:26:42.200 --> 0:26:45.600 of progressive left or conservative right, you can find something 0:26:45.600 --> 0:26:48.280 to do that for you. Because it's not an algorithm, 0:26:48.320 --> 0:26:50.560 but it's alread it is. And so at the end 0:26:50.600 --> 0:26:52.560 of the day, are we opening up Pandora's box. We're 0:26:52.600 --> 0:26:56.040 engaging in anything becomes legally risky, whether I meaning it 0:26:56.080 --> 0:26:59.280 a potato chip or watching I don't know, cable news. 0:27:01.000 --> 0:27:03.640 That's a pretty slippery slope, I think. And now everything 0:27:03.680 --> 0:27:05.919 that is because the idea of making a product is 0:27:05.960 --> 0:27:08.240 to get more people to buy it, regardless of what 0:27:08.280 --> 0:27:11.199 it is to consume it. And no one goes, hey, 0:27:11.200 --> 0:27:12.880 I'm going to design a product, but I don't really 0:27:12.920 --> 0:27:16.760 want that many people using I don't. I just there's 0:27:16.800 --> 0:27:19.680 lit the old theory about it's really not that true. 0:27:19.680 --> 0:27:21.480 But the idea you know, back in the old days, 0:27:21.520 --> 0:27:24.600 I get a refrigerator, and the refrigerator the last seventy year, 0:27:24.640 --> 0:27:27.560 I still got an old, you know, calvinator. In the garage, 0:27:28.080 --> 0:27:30.959 I got a nord Er a Crossley that's still running. 0:27:31.000 --> 0:27:33.399 And yeah, if you look in that thing, it's you know, 0:27:33.440 --> 0:27:35.240 it's got a limited amount of parts. It was designed 0:27:35.280 --> 0:27:37.679 to be replaced as or repair as supposed to replace. 0:27:37.720 --> 0:27:40.200 But we live in a disposal age right now. It's 0:27:40.320 --> 0:27:43.280 lowered the cost of those goods substantially compared to what 0:27:43.320 --> 0:27:45.840 it was a long time ago. TV's are a great 0:27:45.840 --> 0:27:48.119 example of that. You go back and look at I 0:27:48.119 --> 0:27:50.359 don't know, the cost of a TV for a twenty 0:27:50.400 --> 0:27:52.680 one inch you know, black and white TV let alone 0:27:52.760 --> 0:27:55.720 color was like four hundred dollars back in the seventies 0:27:56.400 --> 0:27:59.919 and sixties, and today, you know, you can get a 0:28:00.160 --> 0:28:02.560 you know, an eighty inch TV for less than a 0:28:02.600 --> 0:28:06.400 thousand dollars. For several hundred dollars. It's because well, it's 0:28:06.400 --> 0:28:08.680 not meant to be repaired, it's meant to be disposed. 0:28:08.720 --> 0:28:10.800 And they last a fairly long time for that matter. 0:28:12.200 --> 0:28:13.959 But that's the idea here, is that, like, you know, 0:28:14.040 --> 0:28:16.160 we keep changing things and it gets gets a little 0:28:16.200 --> 0:28:19.520 better in a disposable society, for sure, But when it 0:28:19.560 --> 0:28:22.160 comes to the issue of, you know, the consumer culture. 0:28:24.080 --> 0:28:26.119 We try to make things as appealing as possible from 0:28:26.160 --> 0:28:29.320 a cost standpoint, for sure with the TV analogy, but 0:28:29.480 --> 0:28:32.040 also from something that we want to use over and 0:28:32.080 --> 0:28:34.960 over and over again. Yeah, we want product and brand loyalty. 0:28:36.560 --> 0:28:41.160 Isn't this essentially tied in a digital fashion? I mean, 0:28:41.200 --> 0:28:44.000 can you go after Tide really cleans closed very very well? 0:28:44.040 --> 0:28:45.720 It's all I want to use is Tide. Well, they 0:28:45.720 --> 0:28:47.560 do a great job. Okay, P and G. So now 0:28:47.600 --> 0:28:48.760 is there going to be a LOSSU against P and 0:28:48.800 --> 0:28:51.920 gcs tied? So damn good? But you're not addicted to 0:28:51.920 --> 0:28:54.400 it's got that yeah, but I'm addicted to that smell 0:28:54.400 --> 0:28:55.160 and the clean. 0:28:57.240 --> 0:28:57.400 You know. 0:28:57.520 --> 0:28:59.880 And again, this is the way the legal system works. 0:28:59.880 --> 0:29:02.840 It pushes boundaries for sure, and pushes a lot of buttons. 0:29:03.280 --> 0:29:05.920 But I don't know, it's like we're battling over social 0:29:05.960 --> 0:29:08.600 media as the bad guy here, and maybe it is 0:29:08.640 --> 0:29:12.520 the smartphone. It's also probably a lot about us. It's 0:29:12.520 --> 0:29:17.120 the damnedest thing that started with the tobacco settlements, and 0:29:17.160 --> 0:29:18.800 that's a little bit different too in a sense. I 0:29:18.840 --> 0:29:22.280 know that in this case, you know, there are documents 0:29:22.320 --> 0:29:26.000 coming out from Facebook and those companies that said, yeah, 0:29:26.040 --> 0:29:29.719 we've got an addictive product here, and we're keeping kids engaged, 0:29:29.760 --> 0:29:33.200 but it also it's causing mental problems. It's a smoking 0:29:33.240 --> 0:29:36.400 gun that executives knew their platforms harmed kids, but we 0:29:36.440 --> 0:29:39.520 prioritize engagement in revenue. Anyway, I'm not sure if that's 0:29:39.560 --> 0:29:42.680 legally damaging simply because like, Okay, we got a product 0:29:42.720 --> 0:29:45.600 that's really really good and people, in this case kids 0:29:45.640 --> 0:29:48.800 want to use it. Should that really be legally damaging? 0:29:50.680 --> 0:29:52.880 I mean you can become addicted better to I guess 0:29:52.920 --> 0:29:56.920 food or potato chips, and certainly smoking, then you could 0:29:57.040 --> 0:30:00.480 social media or gun. I mean the argument fall apart 0:30:00.520 --> 0:30:03.280 with weapons in that. Yeah, well, it's not a product 0:30:03.360 --> 0:30:06.240 liability if it works as we sold it. Well, what 0:30:06.280 --> 0:30:09.160 do you mean, Well, you're saying it's the product's dangerous. 0:30:09.160 --> 0:30:13.040 It's the liability. It's not dangerous in a sense of 0:30:13.280 --> 0:30:17.760 a defect. It's not defective at all. But you know, 0:30:17.760 --> 0:30:19.800 it's saying, like a lighter, I burned my house down 0:30:19.840 --> 0:30:22.840 because the lighter worked. Yeah, well, you know you took 0:30:22.880 --> 0:30:25.200 the little bit lighter out and you pulled that little 0:30:25.200 --> 0:30:27.480 wheel and it made a spark, and then your thumb 0:30:27.560 --> 0:30:29.360 hit the button and made the buttane come out, and 0:30:29.360 --> 0:30:31.200 now you've got a flame the cause your fired that 0:30:31.280 --> 0:30:33.440 caused the house to burn down. No, no, it's not 0:30:33.520 --> 0:30:37.560 the lighter's fault. At some point, you know, we do 0:30:37.640 --> 0:30:39.680 have to take accountability here, and I know it's easier 0:30:39.680 --> 0:30:43.680 said than done, because you know, raising my kids was hard, 0:30:43.960 --> 0:30:45.640 and I don't know if I did, how good a 0:30:45.720 --> 0:30:48.000 job I did, We don't know. I guess the standard 0:30:48.080 --> 0:30:52.440 right now is you know, nobody is in prison. I mean, 0:30:52.600 --> 0:30:54.520 if you st the par really low, neither my kids 0:30:54.560 --> 0:30:57.760 are in prison. I think it's good enough, but tend 0:30:57.800 --> 0:31:02.000 to be good, good people. Now, you may measure it differently, 0:31:02.040 --> 0:31:03.720 and everyone does. As a parable, we don't know what 0:31:03.800 --> 0:31:05.719 the yardstick is. What is it supposed to be, how 0:31:05.760 --> 0:31:08.479 much money you make, how much education you have, what 0:31:08.560 --> 0:31:11.960 you look like. I'm not quite sure, but everyone's different 0:31:11.960 --> 0:31:14.720 in that regard. The one constant is it's damn near 0:31:14.760 --> 0:31:17.640 in posset. It's really really hard to do. And to 0:31:17.680 --> 0:31:20.240 simply let your kids be ferial and go, okay, well 0:31:20.320 --> 0:31:22.280 you go here here's a phone, go have fun. Just 0:31:22.280 --> 0:31:26.000 don't bother me. I know it's today's version of you know, 0:31:26.040 --> 0:31:27.920 my mom and dad would go, hey, here's a TV. 0:31:28.000 --> 0:31:29.720 Here's some ma Ree runs, or watch TV. Leave me 0:31:29.760 --> 0:31:33.040 alone for a minute. You know, TV was the babysitter. 0:31:33.080 --> 0:31:34.880 Now it's something digital. How you going to a restaurant, 0:31:34.920 --> 0:31:38.240 how many kids or adults for that matter, are engaged 0:31:38.240 --> 0:31:41.320 on the screen. You know, you've got the you've got 0:31:41.320 --> 0:31:44.720 the tablet that you bring in with the cartoon on 0:31:44.840 --> 0:31:46.200 it or game or whatever it is. And you know, 0:31:46.280 --> 0:31:48.160 kids as young as three four five are sitting there 0:31:48.600 --> 0:31:51.080 waiting for the meal to come out, and they're they're 0:31:51.120 --> 0:31:53.360 engaged with a digital thing. You know, in spite of 0:31:53.360 --> 0:31:57.040 engaging with the family, you give them a tablet and 0:31:57.080 --> 0:32:00.920 they shut the hell up. It's a digital pacify. Yeah, 0:32:00.960 --> 0:32:02.959 we've all done that in some regard help. You know, 0:32:03.040 --> 0:32:04.760 back in the day when the mini and are still there, 0:32:04.760 --> 0:32:06.760 but the you know minivans, Hey I got a TV. 0:32:06.760 --> 0:32:08.200 I can put a video on for my kid in 0:32:08.240 --> 0:32:10.360 the back seat, so they quit bugging the hell out 0:32:10.360 --> 0:32:12.520 of me. We've all done that in some way, shape 0:32:12.600 --> 0:32:15.520 or form. Some people more extreme than the others but 0:32:15.800 --> 0:32:17.440 is it the fault of the You know, kids want 0:32:17.480 --> 0:32:19.640 to watch NonStop. My kid love Toy Story when he 0:32:19.720 --> 0:32:21.400 was growing up. Mean, we watch it once a day 0:32:21.440 --> 0:32:24.400 for real. I have the movie on and then you 0:32:24.440 --> 0:32:26.040 got to say, hey, listen, we need to turn it off. 0:32:26.080 --> 0:32:28.560 Despite the tantrum they held, you're still at the day. 0:32:28.600 --> 0:32:31.280 You have to be the gatekeeper here, not expecting a 0:32:31.280 --> 0:32:35.320 big company like Meta or YouTube or Facebook or TikTok 0:32:35.400 --> 0:32:38.680 to do that for us, because watch out for the consequence. 0:32:38.680 --> 0:32:40.840 If we want that to happen as a society, then 0:32:41.360 --> 0:32:43.120 watch out for the negative side, which is going to 0:32:43.120 --> 0:32:44.880 be them going after Oh hey, wait a minute, Now 0:32:44.920 --> 0:32:48.560 that's different. I was watching that. Yeah, well good, now 0:32:48.560 --> 0:32:51.480 we're gonna shut down cable news or whatever it might 0:32:51.520 --> 0:32:54.920 be that you're consuming, because essentially it's an algorithm. Let 0:32:54.920 --> 0:32:56.720 me get a news update and we'll continue this thread 0:32:56.800 --> 0:32:59.040 in a minute. A little bit different here, you know, 0:32:59.080 --> 0:33:01.200 a high windy can. We have banned cell phones in 0:33:01.240 --> 0:33:05.240 schools largely, which I think and for an educational perspective 0:33:05.280 --> 0:33:07.760 and during instructional time. I think it's obviously that's a 0:33:07.760 --> 0:33:11.480 no brainer. However, the idea, what are social media or 0:33:11.480 --> 0:33:11.920 phones for? 0:33:11.960 --> 0:33:12.440 That matter. 0:33:13.200 --> 0:33:15.520 Schools have banned cell phones, as you know, and I 0:33:15.560 --> 0:33:17.280 wonder now, as we're starting to get more data out 0:33:17.320 --> 0:33:20.480 about this, that maybe the phone wasn't the problem, because 0:33:20.880 --> 0:33:23.480 twenty five percent still of teachers say I have a 0:33:23.480 --> 0:33:27.160 difficult time trying to kid keep the young people engaged. Well, 0:33:27.400 --> 0:33:29.000 we thought it was cell phones, but it turns out 0:33:29.040 --> 0:33:31.000 it's not. What else does it play here? I got 0:33:31.000 --> 0:33:32.840 an idea. We'll share that just ahead here with my 0:33:32.840 --> 0:33:35.480 guest Christine Miles after news on the Home of the 0:33:35.560 --> 0:33:38.680 Red seven hundred ww Cincinnati. By the way, iHeartMedia and 0:33:38.880 --> 0:33:41.080 the Big One. Salute Cincinnati's own Procter and Gamble. If 0:33:41.120 --> 0:33:43.040 you've got someone there you'd like for us to recognize 0:33:43.080 --> 0:33:45.680 on the air, text their name to five one eight 0:33:45.800 --> 0:33:51.320 eight one and be listening. Flown me here on seven 0:33:51.400 --> 0:33:55.680 hundred WWS. Schools across America locking up, snatching up kids 0:33:55.720 --> 0:33:59.000 cell phones like their hot conquer band. So you got 0:33:59.040 --> 0:34:00.719 bell to bell bands, you got the big mad night 0:34:00.760 --> 0:34:04.720 of pousage, you got confiscation. Policies. Ohio, Kentucky, Indiana all 0:34:04.760 --> 0:34:08.799 require school districts to implement policies banning those phones during 0:34:08.800 --> 0:34:11.640 instructional class time. And each state's so a little bit 0:34:11.640 --> 0:34:13.600 different than that. Every but largely most states have this 0:34:13.680 --> 0:34:14.240 conon policy. 0:34:14.280 --> 0:34:14.959 But here's the question. 0:34:15.000 --> 0:34:17.200 You're ready for the question, here's the question no one's 0:34:17.239 --> 0:34:20.480 asking us. So new studies come out, and not just new, 0:34:20.520 --> 0:34:23.440 but preceding studies have come out. The shows teachers spend 0:34:23.640 --> 0:34:27.359 somewhere between twenty five and thirty something percent of their day, 0:34:27.440 --> 0:34:29.600 so between a quarter and a third of their instructional 0:34:29.640 --> 0:34:35.040 day trying to get kids to listen despite strict cell 0:34:35.040 --> 0:34:40.400 phone bans. That hasn't changed. So our phones the core problem? 0:34:40.560 --> 0:34:41.880 Or is it just a scapegoat? 0:34:41.880 --> 0:34:42.080 On that? 0:34:42.280 --> 0:34:45.800 Christine Miles, she's a psychologist and works with school systems 0:34:45.800 --> 0:34:48.759 across the country. Founder of the Listening Past. Christine, Welcome 0:34:48.840 --> 0:34:50.720 are you? I'm great. 0:34:50.920 --> 0:34:53.520 I'm so glad we're talking about this, so thanks for 0:34:53.560 --> 0:34:54.040 having me on. 0:34:54.200 --> 0:34:57.160 Yeah, you know, I was thinking about this before a conversation, 0:34:57.640 --> 0:35:00.000 and you know I was not. I don't know about you, 0:35:00.160 --> 0:35:02.000 but I was not part of the cell phone generation. 0:35:02.080 --> 0:35:04.680 Obviously I had my mobile down and had it for 0:35:05.000 --> 0:35:08.399 twenty thirty years. But I look back and go, wow, 0:35:08.440 --> 0:35:10.000 we didn't have this problem when I was a kid. 0:35:10.160 --> 0:35:13.200 As most parents and grandparents certainly say things are different. 0:35:13.200 --> 0:35:14.719 Of course they're supposed to be different. That's how the 0:35:14.760 --> 0:35:17.520 world this is, That's how America's designed. I guess this 0:35:17.560 --> 0:35:20.200 would be like what if I in school, if I 0:35:20.239 --> 0:35:22.719 were allowed to bring my TV with a cable on 0:35:22.800 --> 0:35:26.319 it and I could watch MTV, What that would do 0:35:26.520 --> 0:35:27.600 for my ability to learn? 0:35:27.680 --> 0:35:30.840 It's the same thing, right it really. 0:35:30.640 --> 0:35:34.239 That's beautifully said, That's exactly what it is. We don't 0:35:34.239 --> 0:35:39.120 need We just don't need the cord. Yeah, so so, 0:35:39.640 --> 0:35:43.239 But I so appreciate the question because it is a 0:35:43.280 --> 0:35:46.080 big It is a big, big problem, and I'm so 0:35:46.200 --> 0:35:47.680 glad the schools are finally. 0:35:47.400 --> 0:35:48.080 Taking this step. 0:35:48.120 --> 0:35:50.359 I mean, we know better, we do better. I mean 0:35:50.680 --> 0:35:53.759 I remember I grew up when smoking was allowed in 0:35:53.800 --> 0:35:55.880 most places, but then we realized it was harmful for 0:35:55.920 --> 0:35:58.520 your health, so we took it outside and we made 0:35:58.520 --> 0:36:01.960 smoking areas and things like that. So setting some limits 0:36:02.040 --> 0:36:05.080 is similar to that, Because I think this is like 0:36:05.239 --> 0:36:08.000 that the ships sailed before we knew what the repercussions were. 0:36:08.680 --> 0:36:12.239 And I don't think it's the root cause it's just 0:36:12.320 --> 0:36:15.840 that in gasoline to the already raging fire. In terms 0:36:15.840 --> 0:36:20.600 of the problem of kids, struggling to listen. There's also 0:36:20.719 --> 0:36:22.799 some rebound effects here. So you take the phones out 0:36:22.840 --> 0:36:26.880 of the schools, and attention spans are still harder to 0:36:26.960 --> 0:36:29.759 come by because when if they're on their phones and 0:36:29.800 --> 0:36:33.040 on devices, which the numbers are kind of staggering. You know, 0:36:33.280 --> 0:36:36.000 these are spending nine hours plus a day outside of 0:36:36.040 --> 0:36:38.400 school work. That's a lot of time. So it's not 0:36:38.440 --> 0:36:41.960 like your brain's going to recover just because you don't 0:36:42.000 --> 0:36:44.960 have it in school. But again we're still it's still 0:36:45.000 --> 0:36:47.440 not the root cause. In my opinion, the root cause 0:36:47.560 --> 0:36:49.680 is that we're told, not taught, and this is a 0:36:49.680 --> 0:36:52.680 problem since been documented since the nineteen fifties. 0:36:53.120 --> 0:36:55.320 Yeah, I was making that case, and this kind of 0:36:55.360 --> 0:36:57.839 a theme show today on this I had earlier. We're 0:36:57.880 --> 0:37:01.080 talking about the social media live trial. It's about to 0:37:01.120 --> 0:37:04.000 happen that social media and TikTok and snapchat and instant, 0:37:04.080 --> 0:37:07.239 all those platforms are addictive by design and will ruin 0:37:07.239 --> 0:37:09.279 your kid's life. Yeah, if they go uncheck, if they're 0:37:09.280 --> 0:37:12.319 completely fear aal online with no roadblocks up, But that's 0:37:12.320 --> 0:37:14.080 on the parent. I don't think that's on the company 0:37:14.280 --> 0:37:16.920 also made the case that the social is not the problem. 0:37:16.960 --> 0:37:19.680 The phone itself is the problem. It is like literal, 0:37:19.760 --> 0:37:22.239 I mean, it's it's like bringing it's a handheld damn 0:37:22.320 --> 0:37:24.520 casino is what it is. Right, It's like I've got 0:37:24.560 --> 0:37:27.560 everything out that it's not social. It's I can message, 0:37:27.600 --> 0:37:29.560 I can look at videos, i can watch porn, I 0:37:29.600 --> 0:37:32.040 can check sports, I can bet online, I can I 0:37:32.080 --> 0:37:33.880 can do all of these things in the problem in 0:37:33.880 --> 0:37:36.520 my hand. That's really it's not social. It's the phone. 0:37:38.080 --> 0:37:40.919 Well, it's it's all the things that are coming. It's 0:37:40.960 --> 0:37:43.880 the world coming at kids, not the world, you know, 0:37:44.080 --> 0:37:47.040 not kids exploring the world and what's finding them. 0:37:47.800 --> 0:37:48.040 You know. 0:37:48.480 --> 0:37:50.919 Again, there's could be a lot of debate about algorithms 0:37:50.960 --> 0:37:53.160 and how we're targeting just espe. We could have debates 0:37:53.160 --> 0:37:56.640 about cigarette companies targeting the brain and making things addictive. 0:37:56.800 --> 0:38:01.839 So there's there's it's a very complex issue, and I think, yes, 0:38:02.080 --> 0:38:05.800 parental control is important schools. Taking these steps is important 0:38:05.800 --> 0:38:08.600 when again, when we know better, we do better, and 0:38:08.880 --> 0:38:12.200 we still be One of the things taking this time 0:38:12.280 --> 0:38:15.719 away in schools is that it forces us to do 0:38:16.080 --> 0:38:20.560 something else. So, you know, I've talked with parents, as 0:38:20.600 --> 0:38:23.279 you know, a family therapist and one time a parent 0:38:23.360 --> 0:38:25.680 said to me, what if my child won't eat anything, 0:38:25.840 --> 0:38:28.440 drink anything but soda? And I said, well, if you 0:38:28.480 --> 0:38:31.520 take soda away in the house, they'll get thirsty eventually. 0:38:32.120 --> 0:38:35.239 So you know they'll eventually drink water if water is 0:38:35.239 --> 0:38:37.759 all there is. So what will happen is kids will 0:38:37.800 --> 0:38:42.000 start to reacclimate towards socializing with each other more than 0:38:42.040 --> 0:38:44.360 they will to the phones when the phones aren't in 0:38:44.400 --> 0:38:46.839 front of them. But it's two at tempting, So we 0:38:46.880 --> 0:38:49.879 need to remove those barriers. But then we also got 0:38:49.880 --> 0:38:51.840 to give them the skills. I mean, we've been telling 0:38:52.280 --> 0:38:55.400 we've been telling people to listen kids, starting with kids 0:38:55.440 --> 0:38:58.839 from like I said, this is a problem documented back 0:38:58.880 --> 0:39:01.960 to the nineteen fifties where we don't have formal listening 0:39:02.120 --> 0:39:06.000 education and classrooms. So we tell them expecting the ears 0:39:06.080 --> 0:39:09.560 to do the work instead of building this as a skill, 0:39:09.600 --> 0:39:10.840 which is what it is. 0:39:10.920 --> 0:39:12.560 Yeah, yeah, I mean I saw we should be addressing 0:39:12.600 --> 0:39:16.399 in school. She's a schools that's Christine Mouse, psychologist. Let's 0:39:16.440 --> 0:39:18.160 back up a little bit what goes on in the 0:39:18.239 --> 0:39:22.400 adolescent brain from a developmental psychology perspective, what's actually happening 0:39:22.440 --> 0:39:24.320 when their kids are always on their phone? And you 0:39:24.360 --> 0:39:26.719 metch you know, nine, ten, twelve or more hours a day. 0:39:28.200 --> 0:39:31.880 Well, so I will say that I can talk about 0:39:31.880 --> 0:39:35.400 this from the This is not my core expertise. I'm 0:39:35.440 --> 0:39:39.400 a systems family therapist. But what I do know and 0:39:39.440 --> 0:39:42.279 what the research is, it's just a it's a dopamine hit. 0:39:42.520 --> 0:39:45.920 It's a constant dopamine hit. It is it is asking 0:39:46.000 --> 0:39:48.319 like a drug. Now we can talk about that from 0:39:48.360 --> 0:39:52.040 an adult perspective, and we know how difficult that is. 0:39:52.080 --> 0:39:54.160 You talked about family, you talked about porn. These are 0:39:54.160 --> 0:39:57.360 things for adults that they struggle with in terms of 0:39:57.400 --> 0:39:59.920 the time on the phone. When you're bringing to the 0:40:00.000 --> 0:40:04.040 developing we're in a whole different realm here. So we 0:40:04.040 --> 0:40:07.520 were not forming the pathways that need to be formed 0:40:07.960 --> 0:40:13.040 in early childhood and in adolescence, which is really why 0:40:13.120 --> 0:40:17.440 it's so dangerous, because we're changing those neuropathways we're getting 0:40:17.600 --> 0:40:20.279 they're having a hard time self soothing, They're having a 0:40:20.280 --> 0:40:22.239 hard time you know. This is why we know the 0:40:22.280 --> 0:40:25.200 mental health issues are spiking, not just the attention issues. 0:40:25.280 --> 0:40:28.400 This is very well documented now in the in the literature. 0:40:28.920 --> 0:40:33.160 Okay, but there's also a separation factor here. I guess 0:40:33.280 --> 0:40:36.520 for lack of a better word, we're seeing some students 0:40:36.520 --> 0:40:40.280 are you know, they're experiencing genuine anxiety and panic attacks 0:40:40.280 --> 0:40:43.960 when they're separated from their phones during these bands. Is 0:40:43.960 --> 0:40:46.960 that a clinical concern we should take seriously or is 0:40:47.000 --> 0:40:48.799 that a warning for everyone else? 0:40:50.160 --> 0:40:52.920 Well, I think it's a withdrawal issue. I think this 0:40:53.080 --> 0:40:56.480 is exactly you know what, let's go back to something simple. 0:40:56.719 --> 0:40:58.960 You know, we get to the pacifier because it helps 0:40:59.000 --> 0:41:02.160 them sue themselves and when it's time, when the parents go, okay, 0:41:02.160 --> 0:41:04.719 it's time to now wean off of that. There's some 0:41:04.880 --> 0:41:07.600 peers that when we have to say goodbye to something 0:41:07.600 --> 0:41:10.600 that was helping us south just because it helps us 0:41:10.600 --> 0:41:12.680 suit doesn't mean it's good for us. This is not 0:41:12.719 --> 0:41:15.360 how we want we want kids to regulate is through 0:41:15.680 --> 0:41:18.400 a device and through having to have constant you know, 0:41:18.520 --> 0:41:22.840 attention coming at us, so that our constant stimulus. So 0:41:22.960 --> 0:41:26.520 we're we're not thinking, feeling, or even operating in the 0:41:26.600 --> 0:41:30.120 present and that's the danger zone. So this is where 0:41:30.440 --> 0:41:33.080 but we've got to fill that gap so that they're 0:41:33.120 --> 0:41:36.719 not as anxious again, this is where the socialization is 0:41:36.760 --> 0:41:40.320 the answer. It's not just take it away, it's the 0:41:40.400 --> 0:41:42.439 only way to stop the behavior to start a new one. 0:41:42.680 --> 0:41:45.000 So you take the phones away, now you have to 0:41:45.040 --> 0:41:49.320 replace it with more socialization, more skill building around listening. 0:41:49.320 --> 0:41:51.960 Which is why again teachers have been telling kids to 0:41:52.000 --> 0:41:55.759 listen in the classrooms for you know, decades, and this 0:41:55.960 --> 0:41:58.600 is a constant battle because it's hard to pay attention 0:41:58.719 --> 0:42:01.200 for eight hours a day, especially if you don't have 0:42:01.280 --> 0:42:03.800 the skill. If I said, you go run a marathon 0:42:03.960 --> 0:42:06.279 that you know how to run, but get into the 0:42:07.000 --> 0:42:09.799 get to the end of the race. Got you gotta train, 0:42:09.840 --> 0:42:11.920 you gotta build the muscle. And so this is our 0:42:12.000 --> 0:42:16.359 opportunity is to finally solve this problemhich is what I'm 0:42:16.480 --> 0:42:19.879 committed to doing, is to is to provide education from 0:42:20.080 --> 0:42:24.240 elementary classrooms to corporations. Because it doesn't matter what age 0:42:24.239 --> 0:42:26.960 you are, you only you know, a very small percentage, 0:42:27.000 --> 0:42:29.560 less than two percent have any formal listening training. 0:42:29.640 --> 0:42:33.000 Yeah, she is Christine Miles. She's a psychologist of what 0:42:33.040 --> 0:42:34.720 it's cost to you not to listen to the founder 0:42:34.760 --> 0:42:37.600 of the listening path or talking about school cell phone 0:42:37.640 --> 0:42:39.560 And then we have that in Ohio, Kentucky, Indiana to 0:42:39.600 --> 0:42:42.879 a large degree. But the question nobody's asking that I'm 0:42:42.880 --> 0:42:44.680 bringing in this morning is their studies are coming out 0:42:44.680 --> 0:42:47.440 and they're showing that teachers still spend a quarter or 0:42:47.440 --> 0:42:49.839 more of their workday, of their instruction day, just trying 0:42:49.840 --> 0:42:51.960 to get kids to listen. Then that was before and 0:42:51.960 --> 0:42:54.200 now after cell phone band, so our cell phone is 0:42:54.239 --> 0:42:57.080 really the problem. They really wreck kids lives. I've also 0:42:57.160 --> 0:42:59.279 seen studies that pointed out early it said that that, 0:42:59.600 --> 0:43:01.600 you know, the extreme is if you spend all your 0:43:01.600 --> 0:43:03.560 time on the phone, it's really really bad for you. 0:43:03.560 --> 0:43:05.359 I mean, it's horrible for your development, all these things 0:43:05.360 --> 0:43:09.120 we're talking about. That's absolutely true. But kids who do 0:43:09.200 --> 0:43:11.080 aren't on social or don't have phones, who don't use 0:43:11.120 --> 0:43:14.440 them aren't allowed to tend to also suffer some of 0:43:14.440 --> 0:43:16.680 those same symptoms. May not the extreme we're talking about 0:43:16.760 --> 0:43:19.960 with overusage, but under usage. There's a sweet spot right 0:43:20.000 --> 0:43:22.279 in the middle. And when I hear that, I go, Okay. 0:43:22.400 --> 0:43:25.680 Kids if they're exposed a little social media and able 0:43:25.719 --> 0:43:29.000 to congregate online with friends, because that's how kids socialize today. 0:43:29.360 --> 0:43:31.399 I was a kid where we'd socialized at the mall 0:43:31.560 --> 0:43:34.239 or the arcade, and kids today do it digitally. So 0:43:34.239 --> 0:43:36.200 we have to lean into that. Is this just a 0:43:36.320 --> 0:43:39.160 lesson that we are woefully behind how we educate kids 0:43:39.200 --> 0:43:41.719 in America still today, because we're teaching them like we 0:43:41.760 --> 0:43:44.120 did a couple hundred years ago. There's a you know, 0:43:44.160 --> 0:43:46.279 maybe it's instead of a blackboard, it's a whiteboard or 0:43:46.280 --> 0:43:49.719 a smartboard, but you're still it's rote memorization. It's all 0:43:49.719 --> 0:43:52.279 these things we've taught kids largely the same way. If 0:43:52.600 --> 0:43:56.760 phones and social media, Christine, are changing kids' brains, shouldn't 0:43:56.800 --> 0:43:59.959 we be adopting the school curricula to meet the way 0:44:00.120 --> 0:44:02.640 kids learn now as opposed to how they did a 0:44:02.680 --> 0:44:03.680 couple hundred years ago. 0:44:05.200 --> 0:44:07.480 Well, you're this is such a good point. I mean, 0:44:07.520 --> 0:44:09.640 we we know that just what we know about the 0:44:10.239 --> 0:44:14.680 neurodivergency and the way kids learn that. Look, we're you know, 0:44:14.840 --> 0:44:16.719 you and I could go back and say, well, you know, 0:44:17.120 --> 0:44:20.239 if somebody was dyslexic or had genuinely had a d 0:44:20.440 --> 0:44:23.239 D or things like that, this wasn't necessarily talked about 0:44:23.480 --> 0:44:27.080 or diagnosed to the same degree. We once could argue that, 0:44:27.480 --> 0:44:29.600 you know, not everybody has a d D that, but 0:44:29.680 --> 0:44:31.640 it is real. It is a real thing. So we 0:44:31.760 --> 0:44:35.600 just know that teachers have a lot of divergent learning 0:44:35.640 --> 0:44:38.600 needs and so it's really about meeting kids where they are, 0:44:38.640 --> 0:44:40.680 which is part of why the listening is hard too, 0:44:40.760 --> 0:44:43.960 because kids needs are different, which is why this is 0:44:44.000 --> 0:44:47.479 a this you're The point you're making is I think 0:44:47.560 --> 0:44:50.000 and I which is where my heart and soul is 0:44:50.000 --> 0:44:52.640 is this is a systemic problem. We're not going to 0:44:52.719 --> 0:44:55.719 fix this with one thing. Again, we know that that 0:44:55.880 --> 0:45:00.560 phone that what we're trying to prevent is is keeping 0:45:00.600 --> 0:45:04.480 them off of engaging with each other, engaging with the future, 0:45:04.520 --> 0:45:07.879 and engaging with the with the core curriculum. Like you said, 0:45:07.920 --> 0:45:10.760 take the TV out of the classroom, that's just common sense. 0:45:10.840 --> 0:45:13.279 Right then we have the issue of what we do 0:45:13.360 --> 0:45:15.600 at home and how we limit time. We know that 0:45:15.680 --> 0:45:19.160 past the screen time, the scrolling, the doom scrolling, that's 0:45:19.239 --> 0:45:23.160 not super productive and that can get that's very addictive. Well, 0:45:23.239 --> 0:45:26.080 you know, then there's some socialization. How can you mitigate 0:45:26.080 --> 0:45:28.360 that with socialization? And then you get to the but 0:45:28.520 --> 0:45:30.640 you take all that and you cure all that, you 0:45:30.719 --> 0:45:33.279 still have this learning problem and you still have this 0:45:33.320 --> 0:45:39.800 listening problem. To systemic communication problem. We focus on speaking, telling, knowing, 0:45:40.239 --> 0:45:44.120 and test scores versus how we're learning, and that's what AI, 0:45:45.080 --> 0:45:46.960 in my opinion, is going to come in and change 0:45:47.040 --> 0:45:49.279 is that. You know, we had the calculator. Now we 0:45:49.360 --> 0:45:52.240 have something that can do the formulators but have formulas. 0:45:52.280 --> 0:45:55.120 But how can you explain it, How can you make 0:45:55.239 --> 0:45:57.440 sense out of it? How can you show up as 0:45:57.440 --> 0:45:59.680 a person that knows how to collaborate? And these are 0:45:59.719 --> 0:46:02.120 all the skills that are at the core of what's 0:46:02.160 --> 0:46:06.200 going to make somebody successful in the future. Starting we 0:46:06.320 --> 0:46:09.200 got to start teaching that at a very early age, 0:46:09.239 --> 0:46:11.719 as early as first grade, so that they're ready. And 0:46:11.760 --> 0:46:14.440 this is where we have to fit this systemically, so 0:46:14.440 --> 0:46:17.200 that we're teaching the skills so everybody is a common 0:46:17.280 --> 0:46:20.279 language is how so they can understand. 0:46:20.320 --> 0:46:22.360 So there's another factor here in my mind that this 0:46:22.440 --> 0:46:25.040 whole thing and I get it. There's a lot of 0:46:25.040 --> 0:46:28.480 talk about phones descrying attention spans, and the argument is 0:46:28.520 --> 0:46:30.239 whether the phone is the cause or just the most 0:46:30.239 --> 0:46:33.279 convenient delivery system for a culture that's already dopamine driven 0:46:33.320 --> 0:46:36.280 and overstimulate. I mean, you know, parents are were upset 0:46:36.280 --> 0:46:37.840 with the cell phone bands because they want to be 0:46:37.840 --> 0:46:39.880 able to get a hold of their kid instantly at 0:46:39.920 --> 0:46:43.000 any time during an emergency. But as an excuse to go. 0:46:43.160 --> 0:46:45.480 I can text you during class because parents are also 0:46:45.600 --> 0:46:48.120 anxious all the time as well, and it trickles down 0:46:48.160 --> 0:46:50.440 that we're all anxious and all the time. But I 0:46:50.440 --> 0:46:54.479 think it's interesting, is that. So the way to beat 0:46:54.520 --> 0:46:57.000 this whole thing is to simply use AI and use 0:46:57.040 --> 0:46:59.880 the algorithms for good as opposed to evil, if you 0:47:00.000 --> 0:47:02.960 want to call social media evil, and that is educators 0:47:03.080 --> 0:47:07.200 and the system should be creating platforms much like TikTok 0:47:07.360 --> 0:47:10.840 and snapchat in insta that feed that feeds a student 0:47:10.880 --> 0:47:13.320 a steady diet of what they're interested in to learn, 0:47:13.800 --> 0:47:16.200 that continues to push stuff towards them and challenge them 0:47:16.239 --> 0:47:18.640 and learn what their likes and dislikes are and try 0:47:18.680 --> 0:47:22.839 and strengthen those dislikes and make everything better. Use use 0:47:22.880 --> 0:47:25.880 the technology for good instead of social media. But the 0:47:26.000 --> 0:47:28.239 problem with that is now you're going to replace all 0:47:28.280 --> 0:47:31.880 of these teachers and all these administrators in schools with 0:47:32.040 --> 0:47:35.760 something that's digital. That means now that threatens the teachers' unions, 0:47:35.880 --> 0:47:40.000 That threatens the administrators and the whole construct of schools 0:47:40.000 --> 0:47:42.400 in general. Because guess what if I can do this 0:47:42.480 --> 0:47:45.360 with my phone much like we've seen, you know, broadcast, TV, 0:47:45.440 --> 0:47:48.400 go away radio, everything else, newspapers for example, because of 0:47:48.600 --> 0:47:52.239 the digital age that now threatens the livelihood of the 0:47:52.440 --> 0:47:55.680 education class and we can't have that in America. And 0:47:55.719 --> 0:47:57.960 so what winds up happening is it's disconnect between the 0:47:58.040 --> 0:47:58.840 kids in the classroom. 0:47:58.880 --> 0:47:59.399 Am I wrong? 0:48:00.880 --> 0:48:04.319 Well, here's what I think. I so, you know, I 0:48:04.400 --> 0:48:06.960 yes again the world. It's just like we could be 0:48:07.000 --> 0:48:08.720 saying the same thing about corporate America. 0:48:08.760 --> 0:48:09.160 The road. 0:48:09.480 --> 0:48:12.640 The road things can be replaced, well, can't be replaced 0:48:12.680 --> 0:48:16.280 by the human skills. And that's one of the things 0:48:16.280 --> 0:48:19.480 that I think teachers are getting away from, and not 0:48:19.600 --> 0:48:24.680 by the doing because there's so much pressure to teach 0:48:24.719 --> 0:48:29.000 to these core ideas and curriculum and the standards, is 0:48:29.040 --> 0:48:32.359 that they're getting away from the human part of the job, 0:48:32.400 --> 0:48:35.480 which is really how we develop kids, how we nurture kids. 0:48:35.640 --> 0:48:37.480 And so this is going to be the heart of 0:48:38.000 --> 0:48:41.160 what happens in the school and what teachers love to 0:48:41.160 --> 0:48:43.680 do and why most teachers get into the work. So 0:48:43.840 --> 0:48:46.319 I think it's not that they'll be replaced as to 0:48:46.360 --> 0:48:48.000 what the emphasis. 0:48:47.400 --> 0:48:49.000 Is that needs to change. 0:48:49.200 --> 0:48:50.960 And that's the same thing that I see on the 0:48:51.000 --> 0:48:53.640 corporate side, that if you want to. You have to 0:48:53.719 --> 0:48:57.320 drive that value as a what in your job because 0:48:57.520 --> 0:49:01.760 some of the redundancies can be and so the answer 0:49:01.800 --> 0:49:04.880 isn't more time on screens. The answer is more connection 0:49:05.880 --> 0:49:07.879 in terms of how we raise the kids and how 0:49:07.920 --> 0:49:11.400 we teach them, and how we help them connect through 0:49:11.719 --> 0:49:16.319 language and through interaction, so that everything they learn in 0:49:16.400 --> 0:49:19.839 this kind of this fast paced digital world and what's 0:49:19.840 --> 0:49:22.920 coming at them, then they can manage their emotions. They 0:49:22.920 --> 0:49:25.480 can manage the emotions of others, they can develop empathy. 0:49:25.840 --> 0:49:28.520 They have the things that the AI and the machines 0:49:28.560 --> 0:49:31.120 don't have. And that's the risk is that we're tipping 0:49:31.160 --> 0:49:33.839 over into too much of the screen time. 0:49:34.200 --> 0:49:34.399 Right. 0:49:34.760 --> 0:49:37.759 She is Christine Miles, psychologist. Her book is What Is 0:49:37.840 --> 0:49:40.439 Costing You Not to Listen? Founder of the Listening Path. 0:49:40.560 --> 0:49:41.680 Christine Miles thanks at the time. 0:49:41.719 --> 0:49:44.600 I appreciate it, appreciate the conversation. 0:49:44.680 --> 0:49:46.040 It's really really helpful. 0:49:46.440 --> 0:49:49.680 I think I just made a case here teachers can 0:49:49.719 --> 0:49:54.239 be replaced. This is believe me, this is like, this 0:49:54.320 --> 0:50:00.000 is dangerous territory. If you could come up with an algorithm, 0:50:00.120 --> 0:50:02.560 and it's easy to do because we've seen this replicated 0:50:02.600 --> 0:50:05.720 time and time again, that would teach kids on their level, 0:50:05.760 --> 0:50:08.360 meaning it feeds them a steady diet. The algorithm feeds 0:50:08.400 --> 0:50:10.360 them a steady die of things they're interested in and 0:50:10.560 --> 0:50:13.600 expands their knowledge base in learning and kind of sort 0:50:13.640 --> 0:50:15.520 of tricks them into learning where it becomes fun and 0:50:15.600 --> 0:50:18.600 engaging on a personal level, just like social media is. 0:50:19.040 --> 0:50:20.759 And now they're hooked on this, and you put that 0:50:20.840 --> 0:50:23.440 in the classroom and ban the phone and give them 0:50:23.480 --> 0:50:26.600 a device that is the alternate to social media and 0:50:26.640 --> 0:50:29.239 all the stuff coming at you. And that's how kids 0:50:29.320 --> 0:50:32.000 learn today. They learn on social media, they learn through 0:50:32.040 --> 0:50:35.560 digital interaction. If you do that in the classroom, kids 0:50:35.600 --> 0:50:40.520 now become smarter, more engaged, more learned. But what happens 0:50:40.560 --> 0:50:47.120 to the educational system the computer replaces the teacher. We 0:50:47.160 --> 0:50:49.759 can't have that in America, can we? Because of what's 0:50:49.800 --> 0:50:53.200 at stake? There's also the is she mentioned important too? 0:50:53.280 --> 0:50:57.839 The social interaction thing? But is this like the it's 0:50:57.880 --> 0:51:02.520 like clickbait right? This is what the educational system doesn't 0:51:02.520 --> 0:51:05.520 want you to know. This one weird old trick for 0:51:05.640 --> 0:51:08.600 saving us a lot of money and getting a better student. 0:51:09.960 --> 0:51:17.520 Thoughts after news here Scotsland continues on seven hundred WLW 0:51:18.840 --> 0:51:21.480 Good cute. Get the party start, let's go, let's go 0:51:22.040 --> 0:51:25.200 sloany here seven hundred WLW on this Tuesday morning, and 0:51:25.239 --> 0:51:27.480 a beautiful one at that with the sunshining right now, 0:51:27.680 --> 0:51:31.000 temperature's going up there. We've cost the forty degree threshold. 0:51:31.040 --> 0:51:34.480 Come home, baby, Let's get some melton, Go on? What 0:51:34.520 --> 0:51:37.840 do you say? What do you say? Just spent like 0:51:37.880 --> 0:51:40.000 a first half of the show. We talked about social 0:51:40.080 --> 0:51:43.440 media addiction, Christine Miles, school psychologists and cell phone bands 0:51:43.480 --> 0:51:47.480 and the like, and yeah, I'll tell you what you know. 0:51:47.520 --> 0:51:48.440 It's kind of sobering. 0:51:49.000 --> 0:51:49.160 Now. 0:51:49.160 --> 0:51:51.360 We could make great progress when it comes to educating 0:51:51.480 --> 0:51:53.520 kids if we just did it on their level. And 0:51:53.560 --> 0:51:56.720 in the digital age, they learn digitally now as opposed 0:51:56.760 --> 0:51:59.319 to face to face, and so if that's the if 0:51:59.360 --> 0:52:01.640 that's how you get kids and that's where they are, 0:52:01.760 --> 0:52:03.719 then you have to meet them on their level, and 0:52:03.760 --> 0:52:07.680 that would involve more AI, more digital algorithms to teach 0:52:07.719 --> 0:52:09.799 them what they don't know and kind of make it 0:52:09.840 --> 0:52:11.919 appealing to them in a way, because the old ways 0:52:11.920 --> 0:52:14.319 of teaching just don't simply how it makes the work. 0:52:14.320 --> 0:52:15.920 But let's face it, there's better ways to do it. 0:52:15.960 --> 0:52:19.759 But as a threat to that precious ecosystem and all 0:52:19.880 --> 0:52:23.399 that fat cache that goes to our school systems from 0:52:23.400 --> 0:52:27.480 our property taxes, And that's what's in danger here. You know, 0:52:27.600 --> 0:52:29.960 you want to be a disruptor, but how disruptive do 0:52:30.000 --> 0:52:32.120 you want to get? You know, the fear is a 0:52:32.160 --> 0:52:35.120 lot of jobs are being replaced by AI. As I speak. 0:52:35.320 --> 0:52:38.400 The City of Cincinnati is coming up with a policy 0:52:38.480 --> 0:52:43.080 that would regulate data centers in Hamlin County, specifically in Cincinnati. Obviously, 0:52:43.280 --> 0:52:47.200 also that's an issue for the commissioners too. Do we 0:52:47.239 --> 0:52:50.440 want data centers in Cincinnati? Look what's happening in Kentucky 0:52:50.920 --> 0:52:54.960 Butler County up near Columbus and around the area, And 0:52:55.040 --> 0:52:58.759 that's a concern. Big, huge, multi acre plants that suck 0:52:58.840 --> 0:53:02.400 up a lot of resources, natural resources, water and of 0:53:02.440 --> 0:53:06.680 course electricity and the grid can't handle anymore. Do we 0:53:06.760 --> 0:53:10.280 want that in the city of Cincinnati itself? They're debating 0:53:10.320 --> 0:53:11.960 it as we speak, what that policy would look like. 0:53:12.000 --> 0:53:14.200 And so we are all guilty in some way, shape 0:53:14.239 --> 0:53:16.880 or formed this whole thing. If your job and my 0:53:17.040 --> 0:53:22.880 job is endangering to be replaced by AI. Would teachers? 0:53:22.920 --> 0:53:27.240 Would education? Which educators be any less in danger? Should 0:53:27.280 --> 0:53:31.239 they be protected like I don't know, you know here 0:53:31.280 --> 0:53:33.799 at seven hundred w W and iHeart we have the 0:53:34.160 --> 0:53:36.880 guaranteed human. I'm sure you've heard the we're guaranteed human, 0:53:37.840 --> 0:53:42.239 yeah for now. When you hear they're like, okay, well 0:53:42.360 --> 0:53:47.319 we're guaranteed human today tomorrow they're it's gonna be hard 0:53:47.320 --> 0:53:50.319 to compete with AI. Let's face it, for spoken order, 0:53:50.360 --> 0:53:54.600 music or video. Hollywood's in danger being upended by AI. 0:53:54.680 --> 0:53:56.960 Everyone's job is in question right now. Nless, of course 0:53:57.320 --> 0:54:00.920 you're in the trades, and you know, as long as 0:54:00.920 --> 0:54:03.320 I can do plumbing and electrical and carpentry and stuff 0:54:03.400 --> 0:54:07.040 like that, I got a gig for now for now. 0:54:08.160 --> 0:54:11.960 So should we protect the status quo in schools? And 0:54:12.000 --> 0:54:15.759 I think, you know, we talk about homeschooling, which is 0:54:15.920 --> 0:54:16.840 I think somewhat. 0:54:16.600 --> 0:54:17.000 Of a threat. 0:54:17.000 --> 0:54:19.200 I think the education, but of course privateized schools, private 0:54:19.239 --> 0:54:21.840 schools is a threat. I think the next big threat's 0:54:21.840 --> 0:54:24.120 gonna be AI, because we're going to teach kids on 0:54:24.160 --> 0:54:27.120 their level, and I think you're gonna have smarter kids. Granted, 0:54:27.600 --> 0:54:29.799 there's going to be a lot to be desired when 0:54:29.800 --> 0:54:32.600 it comes to interpersonal communication and talking with a living, 0:54:32.640 --> 0:54:35.280 breathing human being. You're still going to need that skill, 0:54:35.320 --> 0:54:37.799 and I think that's going to be maybe the big 0:54:37.880 --> 0:54:38.719 challenges whole thing. 0:54:38.800 --> 0:54:39.800 But man, I don't know. 0:54:39.840 --> 0:54:41.960 I'm looking over my shoulder going, why don't we just 0:54:42.080 --> 0:54:45.319 have a platform like you would with social media, be 0:54:45.360 --> 0:54:49.359 a TikTok or Instagram and using the same type of 0:54:49.840 --> 0:54:53.239 algorithms teach kids on their level. And he said, hey, 0:54:53.840 --> 0:54:55.200 and look at that. You don't even have to go 0:54:55.239 --> 0:54:57.080 into class, right, you could be at home doing this stuff. 0:54:57.840 --> 0:55:00.920 Frightening. We want change, but that much change. 0:55:00.960 --> 0:55:03.840 Anyway, We've got that going on today, on this on 0:55:03.880 --> 0:55:07.719 this beautiful Tuesday morning, Big Dave points out to me, 0:55:08.040 --> 0:55:11.160 my producer, that Ohio is ranked twenty first in the 0:55:11.239 --> 0:55:17.480 nation for alien abductions. You know, whether it's like business 0:55:17.760 --> 0:55:22.319 or education, cost of living, we always middle of the pack. 0:55:23.160 --> 0:55:25.640 We are mid ass Ohio, that's what we are, always 0:55:25.680 --> 0:55:27.840 right right near twenty five, well right in the mid 0:55:28.480 --> 0:55:31.520 sometimes as high as twenty, sometimes as low as forty. 0:55:31.520 --> 0:55:36.160 But generally speaking with some outliers, we're right. How are you? 0:55:36.360 --> 0:55:40.280 We're very mid mid Ohio was legit, we're mid twenty 0:55:40.280 --> 0:55:44.279 first of the nation for alien abductions. What you have 0:55:44.400 --> 0:55:47.799 a ready for the percentages. Now, according to this is 0:55:47.800 --> 0:55:51.360 a British website, so I'm sorry, British gaming site, So 0:55:51.400 --> 0:55:53.680 I don't know what the credibility is here, but if 0:55:53.719 --> 0:55:56.560 believe in the markets, Ohios have a one point one 0:55:56.719 --> 0:56:00.719 three percent chance of being abducted by aliens. So you're 0:56:00.760 --> 0:56:06.120 saying there's a chance we have and this has surprising me. 0:56:06.200 --> 0:56:10.120 Over four thousand abductions since twenty nineteen. Reports of abduction 0:56:10.239 --> 0:56:13.680 since twenty nineteen. Don't know how many of those reports 0:56:13.719 --> 0:56:16.920 dealt with hallucinogens or alcohol, drugs, whatever it might be, 0:56:17.000 --> 0:56:20.400 but four thousand and if you're wondering if you want 0:56:20.440 --> 0:56:24.240 to increase your chances of being abducted by an alien, 0:56:24.480 --> 0:56:29.640 if you're looking for something to do, Maine in Idaho 0:56:29.800 --> 0:56:33.080 are your top two states for abductions, which is surprising 0:56:33.080 --> 0:56:36.719 because you think it would be Nevada, you know, Area 0:56:36.760 --> 0:56:39.400 fifty one and all this stuff, maybe Arizona, but nope, 0:56:39.800 --> 0:56:44.880 it's Maine in Idaho and Maine and Ahiho. There's nothing 0:56:45.120 --> 0:56:48.040 better to do than to get abducted by aliens. Maybe 0:56:48.040 --> 0:56:50.680 you're so busy in Ohio, Kentucky, Anyon elsewhere, we just 0:56:50.719 --> 0:56:52.400 you know, abducted we don't pay attention to it, but 0:56:52.680 --> 0:56:54.640 there's still a little going on in Idaho and Maine 0:56:54.680 --> 0:56:57.520 that I mean, some people probably look forward to. It's 0:56:57.520 --> 0:56:59.400 like hitting the lottery. It's like getting a number in Kino. 0:57:00.200 --> 0:57:02.400 And by the way, the percentage is only two percent, 0:57:02.520 --> 0:57:05.359 so you know, we are kind of splitting hairs here. 0:57:05.800 --> 0:57:08.680 So good to no, there you go middle of the pack. 0:57:08.760 --> 0:57:13.440 Even aliens are like, Ohio, that's all right, Midway, Yeah, yeah, okay, 0:57:13.480 --> 0:57:16.240 we're fine. We need a body book there. But largely 0:57:16.320 --> 0:57:20.560 Maine in Idaho look looking for trouble out there. This 0:57:20.720 --> 0:57:23.600 is the United States of drama. I was looking forward 0:57:23.640 --> 0:57:25.600 to talking about that. I didn't think, honestly, if you 0:57:25.640 --> 0:57:27.040 asked me, hey, what are you gonna be talking about 0:57:27.080 --> 0:57:29.160 on Tuesday, I didn't think we would still be talking 0:57:29.160 --> 0:57:32.520 about this about America, the Snowflake. It is incredible to 0:57:32.640 --> 0:57:37.360 watch how we could be this upset over a ten 0:57:37.480 --> 0:57:43.000 minute free concert. Literally tens of millions of people fighting 0:57:43.080 --> 0:57:47.640 over a halftime show, and the biggest winners NBC and 0:57:47.720 --> 0:57:51.000 the NFL, because you know, the super Bowl itself kind 0:57:51.040 --> 0:57:54.080 of boring. I mean, there was some action, but it 0:57:54.120 --> 0:57:57.280 was a defensive battle. No touchdowns, to the second half. 0:57:58.320 --> 0:58:00.640 The ads were a couple ads. I like the Dunkin 0:58:00.720 --> 0:58:02.880 Donuts one because it's nostalgic and I'm old and that's 0:58:02.880 --> 0:58:05.920 what we like. Anytime you can get George Costanza and 0:58:05.920 --> 0:58:06.960 Ted Danson in there. 0:58:07.040 --> 0:58:07.520 Good. 0:58:09.120 --> 0:58:12.880 I thought the William Shatner won will shat Fantastic made 0:58:12.920 --> 0:58:15.000 me laugh out loud, a little snort going on there. 0:58:15.080 --> 0:58:19.600 Like Sarah Le's the heart is certainly Budweiser. They always 0:58:19.640 --> 0:58:21.080 hit out of the part with a bird that became 0:58:21.120 --> 0:58:23.120 an eagle, and a couple other ones as well, but 0:58:23.120 --> 0:58:25.680 buying Large's like, yeah, it's kind of kind of the 0:58:26.280 --> 0:58:31.920 Ohio super Bowl NBC NFL they win because I think 0:58:32.080 --> 0:58:35.320 of all the controversies surrounding the halftime show. So here 0:58:35.360 --> 0:58:38.240 we are in day two and one of the stories 0:58:38.280 --> 0:58:41.920 still trending is bad Bunny. We got about twenty percent 0:58:41.920 --> 0:58:44.840 of the country outraged about an all Spanish show by 0:58:44.840 --> 0:58:47.440 a Puerto Rican man against ice raids, and then another 0:58:47.480 --> 0:58:51.280 twenty percent thinks this show was somehow transformative and historic 0:58:51.400 --> 0:58:55.400 and progressive awakening, and it's bringing tears in my eyes 0:58:55.440 --> 0:58:57.760 and just thinking how far he's come, And like, I 0:58:57.760 --> 0:59:03.040 think both sides. I think it's a gross exaggeration. And 0:59:03.280 --> 0:59:05.240 this is back to phones and social media. But we 0:59:05.280 --> 0:59:06.520 all have to have a hot take, and we got 0:59:06.560 --> 0:59:08.360 to be pissed off about everything at all times, and 0:59:08.400 --> 0:59:11.800 everything is a microaggression, and we take our accues from leadership. 0:59:11.840 --> 0:59:15.280 Trump is great at being aggravated by seemingly the pettiest things, 0:59:15.680 --> 0:59:18.440 and we have to look for validation of our beliefs 0:59:18.440 --> 0:59:21.800 and everything. So you're supposed to act now today that 0:59:21.880 --> 0:59:27.600 everything is upsetting and polarizing, and it just it's perfectly 0:59:27.640 --> 0:59:29.920 normal to go, eh, not for me. 0:59:31.560 --> 0:59:32.160 It's not for me. 0:59:33.200 --> 0:59:37.120 It's not a validation, nor is it an indictment. It's 0:59:37.200 --> 0:59:40.720 just targeting a different audience. You can say what you 0:59:40.720 --> 0:59:43.120 want to be. The NFL and the spectacular crack to 0:59:43.160 --> 0:59:45.120 the NFL is going to regret this whole thing as 0:59:45.200 --> 0:59:48.040 we all have sleepless executives and finger pointing and speed 0:59:48.080 --> 0:59:50.160 like the it's like when they you know, when they 0:59:50.160 --> 0:59:52.360 went woke with bud light. No, it's not like anything 0:59:52.400 --> 0:59:55.640 at all. Simply in this case is because the NFL 0:59:55.720 --> 0:59:58.280 is almost too big to lose at this point. And 0:59:58.320 --> 1:00:00.360 if you look at the numbers from the halftimes, they 1:00:00.480 --> 1:00:03.800 got what they wanted free publicity, well maybe not free, 1:00:03.800 --> 1:00:06.919 but publicity and eyeballs to the tune of a hunder 1:00:07.000 --> 1:00:12.080 thirty five million people. And so yeah, mission accomplished. And 1:00:12.080 --> 1:00:15.080 if they're looking to expand the market to Latin America 1:00:15.200 --> 1:00:17.920 as they did Europe, then this is how you do that. 1:00:18.160 --> 1:00:20.560 It's a math game to them and nothing else. It's 1:00:20.600 --> 1:00:23.240 not about patriotism and taking signs. They love that stuff 1:00:23.280 --> 1:00:25.720 because it means more people are going to watch over 1:00:25.760 --> 1:00:28.280 the controversy or the support, as the case may be 1:00:28.840 --> 1:00:31.040 for those on the left. But you know, and here's 1:00:31.040 --> 1:00:34.720 the thing, I try to be consistent. So I'm trying 1:00:34.720 --> 1:00:37.000 to figure out the inconsistencies here and it's pretty easy. 1:00:37.040 --> 1:00:39.440 So initially the backlash of bad Bunny was and I 1:00:39.480 --> 1:00:41.960 get it. You know, he's anti Ice, and you know, 1:00:42.040 --> 1:00:44.880 to those people that think that I should be completely 1:00:44.880 --> 1:00:47.320 shut down, it's like, well, yeah, that's great until the 1:00:47.320 --> 1:00:50.240 person that they take into costody as someone who's accused of, 1:00:50.640 --> 1:00:53.880 I don't know, abducting Savannah Guthrie, not saying that that's 1:00:54.040 --> 1:00:54.640 someone who. 1:00:54.440 --> 1:00:55.040 Shouldn't be here. 1:00:55.080 --> 1:00:56.640 We don't know, but you know what I'm saying, it's like, 1:00:57.240 --> 1:00:59.800 you're just assuming that those people are innocent and they're not. 1:01:00.160 --> 1:01:03.360 They may be here legally, which in itself technically is 1:01:03.360 --> 1:01:05.080 a crime, but not to the level of what we're 1:01:05.120 --> 1:01:07.040 witnessing in streets. But if you're trying to get people 1:01:07.040 --> 1:01:10.240 out there who are here illegally and also committing serious crimes, 1:01:10.760 --> 1:01:13.160 you want that you're standing up and fighting for a criminal. 1:01:13.840 --> 1:01:15.280 That doesn't make a lot of sense. In my book, 1:01:15.280 --> 1:01:17.160 it'd be nice to know which one you know. Is 1:01:17.200 --> 1:01:19.040 this a guy we're just picking up because he's out 1:01:19.040 --> 1:01:22.600 there and is here illegally, or is he here illegally and 1:01:22.640 --> 1:01:25.800 also committing some serious felonies, because that to me and 1:01:25.840 --> 1:01:31.360 that there's a distinction there. But the consistency here is 1:01:31.480 --> 1:01:36.440 I think what makes me laugh. We're angered that No, 1:01:36.520 --> 1:01:39.360 I'm not angered. I got it. It was in Spanish. I 1:01:39.480 --> 1:01:41.240 used to know a little more Spanish than you today. 1:01:41.280 --> 1:01:43.320 I don't use it that often. I'm really good when 1:01:43.320 --> 1:01:45.000 I'm drunk by it. Give me some tequila and I'm 1:01:45.000 --> 1:01:47.280 spitting Spanish like I'm Pablo Escobar. 1:01:47.320 --> 1:01:48.800 It's unbelievable. 1:01:51.040 --> 1:01:54.520 That the lyrics are in Spanish, and therefore some I like, 1:01:54.640 --> 1:01:57.800 I don't know about you, but I'm not just this 1:01:57.880 --> 1:01:59.920 is one of my not super powers. For share can 1:02:00.200 --> 1:02:02.840 understand lyrics of a lot of songs, especially newer songs, 1:02:02.960 --> 1:02:06.400 and that and that's an English because there's a lot 1:02:06.400 --> 1:02:08.000 of slang. And as you get older, it's like, I'm 1:02:08.000 --> 1:02:10.280 not sure what the vernacular is and what this is 1:02:10.320 --> 1:02:12.720 supposed to mean. And I don't you know thet the 1:02:12.800 --> 1:02:15.160 battles between Kendrick and Drake. I'm like, I'm not quite 1:02:15.160 --> 1:02:18.040 sure this whole thing. And you know, we've been also 1:02:18.120 --> 1:02:20.720 been whether it's an English or not, we've been getting wrong. 1:02:20.760 --> 1:02:23.720 We've been screwing up lyrics or generations. I think about it, 1:02:23.720 --> 1:02:26.080 how many songs we sang out loud in our car 1:02:27.120 --> 1:02:28.840 or in the shower or whatever, Like you hear what 1:02:28.880 --> 1:02:31.320 the lyrics are, They're like, wait, that's what he's saying. 1:02:32.960 --> 1:02:35.240 You mean it's revved up like a deuce, not revved 1:02:35.280 --> 1:02:39.600 up like a douche. When my wife is young, and 1:02:39.600 --> 1:02:43.560 that song was fairly popular verse Springsteen, Manford, man et cetera. 1:02:43.720 --> 1:02:46.160 Back in the day. That song time, and she sung 1:02:46.160 --> 1:02:49.200 along with it. Her mom forbid her from listening to 1:02:49.320 --> 1:02:52.600 that song because mom was convinced it was rebbed up 1:02:52.600 --> 1:02:54.480 like a douche, which makes no sense. It's a deuce, 1:02:54.560 --> 1:02:57.520 it's about a car. It's nonetheless, that's where things do. 1:02:57.680 --> 1:02:59.440 We always screw up lyrics, so I don't know way 1:02:59.440 --> 1:03:02.080 to speak, and I don't also point out too, like 1:03:02.160 --> 1:03:04.200 one of the most successful genres of music right now 1:03:04.200 --> 1:03:08.160 in America is K pop. Korean pop very popular Spanish. 1:03:08.160 --> 1:03:10.480 If you look at, for example, in my business and radio, 1:03:10.840 --> 1:03:15.000 one of the top formats across the country is Spanish. 1:03:15.880 --> 1:03:17.880 I'm really not outraged about that. It's you know, you're 1:03:17.880 --> 1:03:20.480 trying to sell materials and good services and a like 1:03:20.560 --> 1:03:25.040 too to those folks. Yeah, because guess what. Edy doesn't 1:03:25.080 --> 1:03:27.320 just affect old white people like me and you listening 1:03:27.320 --> 1:03:29.520 to this radio station. I'm sure there's plenty of Spanish 1:03:29.520 --> 1:03:33.920 speakers out there who need those ed supplements. Nonetheless, I 1:03:33.920 --> 1:03:36.320 will also say the outrage machine then turned to the 1:03:36.360 --> 1:03:39.480 offensive lyrics somehow and pearl clutching over impressionable kids who 1:03:39.480 --> 1:03:40.280 don't speak Spanish. 1:03:40.360 --> 1:03:41.720 So no one understands this. 1:03:41.840 --> 1:03:43.360 But then at the same time, once you get the 1:03:43.440 --> 1:03:47.960 lyrics decoded, once you get the lyrics decoded, then we 1:03:48.000 --> 1:03:50.400 have to be offended. Well, if you don't speak Spanish, 1:03:50.480 --> 1:03:52.040 you don't have to really worry about that, do you, 1:03:53.640 --> 1:03:57.440 And now you look predictable. Ah, my side says, okay, 1:03:57.920 --> 1:03:59.520 we'll play that game for a second. I think this 1:03:59.640 --> 1:04:04.080 is just the offensive lyrics over bad Bunny. All right, 1:04:04.280 --> 1:04:07.920 there's some offensive lyrics and they're sure. Meanwhile, the alternative, 1:04:07.920 --> 1:04:11.440 the wholesome American alternative. This was kid Rock. Now I 1:04:11.440 --> 1:04:13.600 always heard to see kid before he really blew up, 1:04:13.600 --> 1:04:15.280 and I thought he was, man, this guy's gonna go play. 1:04:15.360 --> 1:04:17.600 He's awesome. And I've seen him I don't know four 1:04:17.640 --> 1:04:21.600 or five six times, and you're going, oh, it's it's 1:04:21.600 --> 1:04:23.720 really the lyrics are you know, kids are impressiable and 1:04:23.760 --> 1:04:25.880 they're young, and they're seeing and they're seeing these women 1:04:25.920 --> 1:04:28.439 shake their asses like, hey, guess what you can see 1:04:28.440 --> 1:04:32.160 far worse in a store on your phone or in 1:04:32.200 --> 1:04:37.120 person then you know some Latina, big bone latina women 1:04:37.200 --> 1:04:39.760 shaking i ass on TV is like it really wasn't that. 1:04:42.080 --> 1:04:44.360 But the funny part about the whole alternative thing on 1:04:44.400 --> 1:04:47.760 attorning point was kid Rock is performing who boy like 1:04:47.880 --> 1:04:50.800 Kid Rock has a giant middle finger on the tall 1:04:50.840 --> 1:04:54.960 of its private jet and when kid Rock broke and 1:04:55.040 --> 1:04:58.040 this would have been late nineties. I remember the outrage 1:04:58.080 --> 1:05:00.360 from the same conservatives about the you know, the great 1:05:00.480 --> 1:05:03.040 society's falling apart because of hip hop music and the like. 1:05:03.080 --> 1:05:05.320 And here's this guy out there, and he's in and 1:05:07.360 --> 1:05:11.760 he opens, He opens with a song and and bob 1:05:11.800 --> 1:05:14.040 with the ba is. I want to read the lyrics 1:05:14.040 --> 1:05:16.880 for you that he sang. And the same people are 1:05:16.920 --> 1:05:19.720 offended by bad Bunny. We're not offended by the midnight 1:05:19.760 --> 1:05:23.360 glances and the topless dancers, the gender freaks, the g's 1:05:23.400 --> 1:05:25.040 and the forties and the chicks with beepers, and there 1:05:25.040 --> 1:05:27.240 are the lights of Southern comfort. It don't it don't 1:05:27.280 --> 1:05:30.200 even matter that their veins are punctured. And he talks 1:05:30.240 --> 1:05:34.760 about topless dancers and say it, talks about his heroes 1:05:34.760 --> 1:05:37.120 and the methadone clinic and the crackheads and the critics 1:05:37.120 --> 1:05:39.880 and the cynics and the crooked cops and the cluttered desks, 1:05:40.360 --> 1:05:42.040 all you bastards at the I R s and the 1:05:42.040 --> 1:05:44.240 half pints of love and the fifthest dress for the hooker. 1:05:44.440 --> 1:05:46.960 I'm not going to sing the song, but you know 1:05:47.040 --> 1:05:50.040 he's celebrating his homies in the county at cell Block six, 1:05:53.320 --> 1:05:54.680 and so I don't know. I will look at that, 1:05:54.760 --> 1:05:56.200 go okay, if a kid here's that and has to 1:05:56.200 --> 1:05:59.720 ask you, you know what meth is or what a 1:05:59.840 --> 1:06:02.120 chick with beepers to show you how old a song is, 1:06:02.400 --> 1:06:04.960 Like I don't know. It's like I can't equate, Like 1:06:05.240 --> 1:06:07.520 why bad Bunnies more offensive than that? I don't think 1:06:07.520 --> 1:06:09.880 either one is offensive. It just it's music. It's always 1:06:09.880 --> 1:06:14.880 been that way, and it's the snowflaking of America and 1:06:14.920 --> 1:06:17.840 this time conservative of snowflakes that are worked up about this. Meanwhile, 1:06:17.880 --> 1:06:20.360 it wasn't a long ago for progressives that are having 1:06:20.400 --> 1:06:23.080 that smug look on their face. I'd say, weren't y'all upset? 1:06:23.120 --> 1:06:25.160 Like a couple of years ago when when Baby It's 1:06:25.200 --> 1:06:29.280 Cold Outside was outrageous, you know, the old classic standard, 1:06:29.360 --> 1:06:32.400 baby It's cold Outside, where the guys try to talk 1:06:32.440 --> 1:06:34.640 her into staying because it's cold outside, and basically he 1:06:34.680 --> 1:06:39.440 went wants sex and she's like, oh, I don't know. 1:06:39.560 --> 1:06:41.520 It's like what did you put in this drink? And 1:06:41.560 --> 1:06:43.840 now it's the me too movement came involved and it 1:06:43.880 --> 1:06:45.520 was like we are all rolling our eyes, going are 1:06:45.560 --> 1:06:46.120 you kidding me? 1:06:46.200 --> 1:06:46.680 Right now? 1:06:47.520 --> 1:06:50.360 Because at the same time, that everyone and any way 1:06:50.360 --> 1:06:52.720 on the left was upset about baby It's Cold Outside, 1:06:53.240 --> 1:06:56.160 which is stupid the number one and the number one 1:06:56.160 --> 1:06:58.000 song in the United States when that song was always 1:06:58.040 --> 1:07:08.960 it was Cardi B's wap what letter a P word? 1:07:09.760 --> 1:07:10.600 Female body? 1:07:10.600 --> 1:07:14.120 Well go look at that, Like, why are we upset 1:07:14.120 --> 1:07:15.880 about the number one song in the country is far 1:07:15.880 --> 1:07:19.720 more offensive than baby It's Cold Out? Saying that's different. Okay, Now, 1:07:19.760 --> 1:07:22.280 the selective outrage, it's just exhausting, right, Like now we're 1:07:22.320 --> 1:07:24.800 down to the super Bowl where the super Bowl halftime 1:07:24.840 --> 1:07:29.880 show is what everybody's pissed off about. It's it's part 1:07:29.920 --> 1:07:32.320 of the outrage culture and certainly has to do with 1:07:32.360 --> 1:07:35.040 what we've been talking about in the morning. That social media. 1:07:36.520 --> 1:07:36.920 I don't know. 1:07:37.680 --> 1:07:39.360 I've got to go, hey, you know what it used 1:07:39.360 --> 1:07:42.120 to be like that's not for me. Look when people 1:07:42.160 --> 1:07:44.520 would complain about my show, I hate your far How 1:07:44.520 --> 1:07:47.479 are you Why are you still? Like, well enough people listen. 1:07:47.480 --> 1:07:49.320 If enough people don't listen, I get fired. That's how 1:07:49.320 --> 1:07:53.400 our same w any show that's streaming, I hate that show? 1:07:53.440 --> 1:07:55.720 Why is that show a thing? Why are you exist? 1:07:56.120 --> 1:07:58.560 Why are you telling people what they should and shouldn't like, 1:07:58.600 --> 1:08:01.920 why are you so insecure that you're looking at that 1:08:02.040 --> 1:08:05.320 going well, somebody must like it. Fine, great, good for you. 1:08:05.560 --> 1:08:06.320 It's not my thing. 1:08:06.440 --> 1:08:06.880 I'm good. 1:08:07.560 --> 1:08:10.840 But instead of just being passive about being so aggressive 1:08:10.880 --> 1:08:13.000 and going, it needs to be canceled because I don't 1:08:13.000 --> 1:08:16.320 agree with it. I just I don't understand that it's 1:08:16.360 --> 1:08:17.720 all about the money. At the end of the day, 1:08:17.800 --> 1:08:20.599 if you understand it's about green and nothing else, that's 1:08:20.640 --> 1:08:22.479 what it is. Anyway, I got a news update in here. 1:08:22.560 --> 1:08:25.400 Enough of this more to follow. It's we'll talk to 1:08:25.439 --> 1:08:27.800 Andy Shaffer eleven thirty five. Keep it money related for 1:08:27.840 --> 1:08:29.400 the next hour. Has that because it's a good day 1:08:29.560 --> 1:08:31.519 to think about money. Because if you got a little 1:08:31.520 --> 1:08:33.080 bit on the market, it's just a little bit. You're 1:08:33.080 --> 1:08:38.600 making more. It's a good day. Seven hundred W you 1:08:38.680 --> 1:08:41.479 got futted back on seven hundred WLW welcome to it. 1:08:43.240 --> 1:08:45.559 We'll jump right in with stuff because there's stuff, you know, 1:08:45.600 --> 1:08:50.120 we got stuff. Trumpet administration has decided to ease the 1:08:50.200 --> 1:08:53.000 fuel economy standards know it as a cafe standards for vehicles, 1:08:53.000 --> 1:08:56.160 so roll back. Under Biden, they required a two percent 1:08:56.240 --> 1:09:00.280 annual efficiency and improvement, so two percent annually. They have 1:09:00.320 --> 1:09:03.880 to make better better fiel accountanies, I guess the new 1:09:03.920 --> 1:09:06.320 proposal cuts us back to a half a percent, and 1:09:06.400 --> 1:09:09.240 they're also rolling back the taelpipe emission standards. So the 1:09:09.320 --> 1:09:11.920 question is what does this mean overall for the car 1:09:12.040 --> 1:09:16.080 industry Because cars we've hit American consumers said we're not 1:09:16.160 --> 1:09:18.639 paying more for cars. We have had a breaking point 1:09:18.760 --> 1:09:20.080 in the costing new automobiles. 1:09:20.120 --> 1:09:20.880 What does that do for us? 1:09:20.920 --> 1:09:25.599 Brian Moody is the executive Adam Kelly Bluebook and Auto Trader. 1:09:25.600 --> 1:09:26.519 Welcome Brian hy Ben. 1:09:27.400 --> 1:09:30.800 Yeah, thanks. You're right, that does change things a little bit, 1:09:30.840 --> 1:09:33.360 but I think it could be for the good, even 1:09:33.439 --> 1:09:35.840 though temporarily the headlines are going to be bad. 1:09:36.680 --> 1:09:38.760 Yeah, I think in the long term it seems good. 1:09:39.439 --> 1:09:42.280 You know, we have this quest to try and lower 1:09:42.280 --> 1:09:45.880 efficiency start, you know, increase efficiency and how many more 1:09:45.920 --> 1:09:49.000 miles you would drive per gallon tank, and we know 1:09:49.040 --> 1:09:51.599 there's environmental impact there, and that's all well and good, 1:09:51.600 --> 1:09:54.679 but it feels like the screws have really been put 1:09:54.760 --> 1:09:57.200 to the auto industry itself and saying, okay, there's a 1:09:57.240 --> 1:10:00.360 reasonable bound here, but we'ren't in the point of absurdity. 1:10:01.280 --> 1:10:03.880 Right I agree. It turns out the government is a 1:10:03.960 --> 1:10:09.000 terrible automaker, and not just ours, but across the world. 1:10:09.320 --> 1:10:12.080 If you look in Europe, for example, it was government 1:10:12.080 --> 1:10:15.640 that incentivized diesel to the point where that became the 1:10:15.680 --> 1:10:18.439 dominant fuel type across Europle. It turns out that's not 1:10:18.479 --> 1:10:21.559 good for you. So when government is in the position 1:10:21.640 --> 1:10:24.519 of building consumer products, that's not great. And when it 1:10:24.560 --> 1:10:28.400 comes to regulation, I don't think people understand that. They 1:10:28.479 --> 1:10:32.000 understand that good Bettershoel economy is good on one sense, 1:10:32.040 --> 1:10:34.880 so I think we all understand that. But what people 1:10:34.960 --> 1:10:40.680 don't understand is that regulation which leads to needs compliance, 1:10:40.880 --> 1:10:45.280 which costs money, which adds complexity, which adds weight, takes 1:10:45.320 --> 1:10:49.880 away certain things from consumers such as reliability, low cost, 1:10:50.640 --> 1:10:55.160 and you know, the lightweight of the car, which could 1:10:55.200 --> 1:10:58.680 be a safety feature. I guess, for lack of. 1:10:58.680 --> 1:11:01.800 A better word, yeah, understand those masks. But the fact 1:11:01.840 --> 1:11:04.720 of the matter is we, as American consumers, have an 1:11:04.760 --> 1:11:09.000 insatiable demand for trucks and SUVs that's at odds with 1:11:09.080 --> 1:11:12.760 these outdated standards or two aggressive standards I guess under 1:11:12.760 --> 1:11:13.560 the by administration. 1:11:14.920 --> 1:11:18.920 Yes, And here's the thing about trucks, and SUVs. You 1:11:18.960 --> 1:11:21.920 could argue, well, are people buying those because they need 1:11:21.960 --> 1:11:24.000 it or because it's what they want? I don't really know. 1:11:24.760 --> 1:11:28.960 Consumer choice always benefits the consumer. But here's a great 1:11:29.000 --> 1:11:33.679 example of how trucks can become more efficient while also 1:11:33.840 --> 1:11:37.719 serving the consumer's need. For example, there's a Ford pickup 1:11:37.800 --> 1:11:40.519 right now called the Ford Maverick. It's a small pickup truck. 1:11:41.040 --> 1:11:43.000 Well that hasn't been around for very long, of course, 1:11:43.040 --> 1:11:45.560 the name goes way back down to the seventies, but 1:11:46.000 --> 1:11:49.080 the actual vehicle that we have now, the Ford Maverick 1:11:49.200 --> 1:11:52.080 small pickup, has only been around for a few years. 1:11:52.240 --> 1:11:55.320 When they first introduced that, they couldn't make enough of 1:11:55.360 --> 1:11:58.160 those to keep up with demand. So that shows that 1:11:58.280 --> 1:12:02.240 consumers want something that makes sense. It's up to automakers 1:12:02.280 --> 1:12:05.200 to meet them where they are and give them the range, 1:12:05.280 --> 1:12:08.080 the price, the value and reliability they expect. 1:12:08.240 --> 1:12:10.320 I thought I had rare or heard that the Maverick, 1:12:10.320 --> 1:12:13.640 the Ford Maverick is just basically what it's replacing, the 1:12:13.640 --> 1:12:14.360 Ford Escape. 1:12:16.320 --> 1:12:18.880 Yeah, I mean, the Ford Escape is a small suv 1:12:19.000 --> 1:12:21.320 and we may end up seeing hybrid or plug in 1:12:21.400 --> 1:12:24.400 hybrid versions of that in the near future. The thing 1:12:24.439 --> 1:12:28.040 with the Maverick that was so I guess telling is 1:12:28.120 --> 1:12:31.360 that it doesn't have a big VA, it isn't oversized, 1:12:31.439 --> 1:12:34.120 it doesn't cost sixty thousand dollars, it doesn't even cost 1:12:34.120 --> 1:12:38.920 fifty thousand dollars. It's low price. It has some nice features, 1:12:39.200 --> 1:12:43.720 but it arguably has much less capability than say a 1:12:43.960 --> 1:12:47.679 Ford F two fifty, which is probably a special thing 1:12:48.160 --> 1:12:50.920 that some people do need. But the Maverick is a 1:12:50.920 --> 1:12:53.080 great example, and I bet you you'll see others when 1:12:53.120 --> 1:12:56.479 it comes to hybrids and electric counts more right, size 1:12:56.520 --> 1:12:58.880 solutions for what Americans want today. 1:12:59.000 --> 1:13:01.240 Yeah, I mean, you've seen the small pig and I 1:13:01.240 --> 1:13:03.000 guess I don't know what you categorize, but the small 1:13:03.040 --> 1:13:06.120 pickup truck Jeep has a model. It's like every manufacturer's 1:13:06.200 --> 1:13:10.000 rolling out a small pickup truck because they pickup truck. 1:13:09.760 --> 1:13:14.479 Aesthetic, right, Like there's a Hyundai Santa Cruz. You know 1:13:14.520 --> 1:13:17.600 what these cars all remind me of. It's almost like 1:13:17.720 --> 1:13:20.760 everything that's everything that's new, or everything that's old is 1:13:20.800 --> 1:13:24.360 new again. These small pickups like the Hyundai Santa Cruz 1:13:24.400 --> 1:13:25.960 and the Fort Maverick and some of the ones that 1:13:26.040 --> 1:13:28.120 you mentioned, what they kind of remind me of as 1:13:28.160 --> 1:13:32.840 a Chevy El Camino. It's small car base, right, not 1:13:32.960 --> 1:13:35.320 the Jeep, but the other ones are car based, better 1:13:35.360 --> 1:13:39.160 fuel economy, and it occasionally helps you do some utility 1:13:39.240 --> 1:13:42.160 tasks that you might need or might not need. But 1:13:42.240 --> 1:13:44.400 meanwhile you can drive it around every day comfortably. 1:13:45.080 --> 1:13:50.280 It can't belong before bring the station wagon back. You 1:13:50.320 --> 1:13:51.160 think that's gonna happen. 1:13:52.200 --> 1:13:54.680 I'm hoping because here's what I've noticed, and I'm this 1:13:54.800 --> 1:13:59.479 is only anecdotal. My own kids, who recently became driving age, 1:13:59.479 --> 1:14:03.240 have said nobody wants those big SUVs because it's too 1:14:03.280 --> 1:14:05.759 hard to judge where you are and when you're learning 1:14:05.760 --> 1:14:09.240 how to drive. They both kids said they prefer a 1:14:09.360 --> 1:14:15.639 small sedan or a hatchback. Well, SUVs replaced all those cars. 1:14:15.640 --> 1:14:18.519 So what's going to happen when these younger people move 1:14:18.600 --> 1:14:21.360 into the place where they're like, I don't want SUVs. 1:14:21.400 --> 1:14:24.479 They don't want SUV's because why we didn't want station wagons. 1:14:24.600 --> 1:14:25.559 That's my mom drives. 1:14:25.720 --> 1:14:29.599 Yeah, yeah, yeah, And eventually we'll come back like trucker 1:14:29.640 --> 1:14:33.720 hats and fanny packs. He's Brian Moody. He's the executive 1:14:33.840 --> 1:14:38.240 editor of Auto Trader and Kelly Bluebook talking about Trump's 1:14:38.320 --> 1:14:41.640 and the Trump administrations cut on cafe standards, which environmentals 1:14:41.680 --> 1:14:43.800 are gnashing their teeth over. But I think it's a 1:14:43.800 --> 1:14:46.200 good business simply because it's so hard for Detroit or 1:14:46.240 --> 1:14:49.040 all automatic American automakers, for manner doesn't have to be 1:14:49.040 --> 1:14:51.799 Detroit to try and keep up with that kind of stuff, 1:14:51.960 --> 1:14:55.040 And it totally does not mesh with what consumers demand, 1:14:55.040 --> 1:14:58.360 which are more trucks and SUVs and even smaller pickup 1:14:58.360 --> 1:15:00.720 trucks and SUVs for that matter. Do we also have 1:15:00.760 --> 1:15:03.600 to talk about evs. I was blown away when I 1:15:03.640 --> 1:15:07.919 traveled this summer to Australia the number of Chinese evs 1:15:07.920 --> 1:15:10.720 that are on the market as ubers there, and I 1:15:10.760 --> 1:15:13.880 thought the fit and finish looked pretty good in most cases, 1:15:13.920 --> 1:15:16.920 sometimes maybe not so much. But how much a threat 1:15:17.000 --> 1:15:18.120 is that to our market here? 1:15:19.280 --> 1:15:23.000 It's a big threat. That's how economic weapons work. I mean, 1:15:24.040 --> 1:15:27.360 they use their advantage to drive the price down, and 1:15:27.600 --> 1:15:30.600 they have working conditions and things in other parts of 1:15:30.600 --> 1:15:34.000 the world we wouldn't have here. But in other parts 1:15:34.000 --> 1:15:36.479 of the world they don't go by those same rules. 1:15:37.160 --> 1:15:39.600 Undercut the price of what's there and introduce it to 1:15:39.680 --> 1:15:42.200 a market and then you can drive the other people 1:15:42.240 --> 1:15:46.479 out of business. That's called an economic weapon. The idea 1:15:46.720 --> 1:15:50.320 that people would want these cars is not surprising because 1:15:50.360 --> 1:15:52.840 they're good, but there has to be some kind of 1:15:52.920 --> 1:15:56.160 protection all over the world, not just in the US, 1:15:56.200 --> 1:15:58.720 to make sure that it's living up to the standards 1:15:58.720 --> 1:16:02.280 that we all hold amongst ourselves in terms of where 1:16:02.280 --> 1:16:04.599 are the materials come from, how is it built, and 1:16:05.040 --> 1:16:06.120 who's building. 1:16:05.800 --> 1:16:10.599 It well as we relax cafe standards for internal combusting engines. 1:16:10.880 --> 1:16:12.759 It looks like to me, and again it's a brief sample. 1:16:12.760 --> 1:16:16.520 You tell me, Brian, the global market continues to prioritize electrification. 1:16:16.680 --> 1:16:18.360 Is that kind of put us at a disadvantage in 1:16:18.400 --> 1:16:22.280 the next I don't know, within the next ten years maybe. 1:16:22.320 --> 1:16:26.439 But here's the thing, more realistic goals would be helpful. 1:16:27.080 --> 1:16:29.840 No one's going No one's arguing that, you know, oh, 1:16:29.880 --> 1:16:32.120 electric cars are going to go away. That's not true. 1:16:32.560 --> 1:16:36.080 I think if most people, the average American, if they 1:16:36.080 --> 1:16:38.680 were to drive an electric car, they would like it. Yep. 1:16:39.120 --> 1:16:41.920 Now that means there's other things that have to be 1:16:42.000 --> 1:16:44.360 solved though. What about the price, what about the durability, 1:16:44.400 --> 1:16:47.360 what about the resale value. What about where I charge 1:16:47.360 --> 1:16:49.880 it up? It's perfect for people to have their own home, 1:16:49.960 --> 1:16:52.479 because that's about eighty percent of people that have electric 1:16:52.520 --> 1:16:55.519 cars charge them up at home. What about everybody else? Right, 1:16:55.720 --> 1:16:58.640 it's not the car that's necessarily the issue. It's a 1:16:58.640 --> 1:17:00.439 lot of other things that go into it. 1:17:00.560 --> 1:17:03.320 Yeah, if I live in a metro city like Cincinnati 1:17:03.479 --> 1:17:06.200 and I don't have a garage, I don't have access 1:17:06.240 --> 1:17:08.640 to that. How do I charge my electric vehicle? I 1:17:08.720 --> 1:17:11.640 need a traditional internal combustion engine at least, so we 1:17:11.680 --> 1:17:13.920 solve that. But again, the market will decide that. 1:17:15.000 --> 1:17:18.400 Right, the market should always decide these things. One thing 1:17:18.439 --> 1:17:21.559 that's a misnomer that I've heard often with electric cars 1:17:21.680 --> 1:17:26.719 is there's an argument that presumes that people who live 1:17:26.800 --> 1:17:32.200 in apartments or in mixed use housing. Let's say they 1:17:32.200 --> 1:17:34.720 don't want electric cars because they're too expensive, and the 1:17:34.760 --> 1:17:36.880 reason they're living in an apartment is because that's what 1:17:36.920 --> 1:17:41.080 they can afford. That's not true. There's many, many people 1:17:41.280 --> 1:17:44.800 in many cities across the country that choose to live 1:17:44.960 --> 1:17:49.200 in apartments, townhouses, or condos because that's what suits their 1:17:49.240 --> 1:17:52.719 lifestyle best. Not everyone wants to mow yard on a Saturday. 1:17:53.080 --> 1:17:56.040 Not everybody wants that. They just want come home. I 1:17:56.200 --> 1:17:58.120 have a place to go. It's all taken care of. 1:17:58.600 --> 1:18:00.719 And that's the thing that we need to solve next 1:18:00.760 --> 1:18:03.320 for how do you charge those things up? Also, there's 1:18:03.439 --> 1:18:06.360 just a mechanism of how long it takes to charge. 1:18:06.520 --> 1:18:09.479 If you need ten gas pumps, you probably need thirty 1:18:09.560 --> 1:18:13.599 charging stations based on the duration of time it takes 1:18:13.960 --> 1:18:16.519 to quote fill up your tank with an electric car. 1:18:16.479 --> 1:18:17.080 Yeah, it makes sense. 1:18:17.120 --> 1:18:19.839 I mean, if you drive several hundred miles, for example, 1:18:19.880 --> 1:18:21.439 you road trip it, you're going to have to plan 1:18:21.520 --> 1:18:23.400 out how long and where you stop. It's going to 1:18:23.400 --> 1:18:25.519 take more time to get from point A to point 1:18:25.520 --> 1:18:28.920 B driving a electric you can do much more on 1:18:28.920 --> 1:18:31.599 a hybrid, which seems to also have fallen out of favors. 1:18:31.640 --> 1:18:33.880 And I mean my son has a hybrid, he's had 1:18:33.880 --> 1:18:35.599 one for years. He loves it. He's getting like ninety 1:18:35.640 --> 1:18:37.639 nine miles of the gallon and when it's not charged, 1:18:37.880 --> 1:18:40.880 the internal combustion engine kicks in. It seems like a 1:18:40.880 --> 1:18:42.880 fair trade. Why did that fallow the favor. 1:18:43.760 --> 1:18:46.719 Well, because I think a lot of it is marketing. 1:18:47.360 --> 1:18:49.400 I think a lot of it is headline grabbing. But 1:18:49.479 --> 1:18:51.439 I think twenty twenty six will be the year of 1:18:51.479 --> 1:18:54.280 the hybrid. I really do think that people have kind 1:18:54.280 --> 1:18:58.280 of come to terms with the taxpayer funded incentive for 1:18:58.439 --> 1:19:04.080 EV's is gone. The cars at current state are relatively expensive, 1:19:04.080 --> 1:19:07.559 about fifty eight thousand dollars on average. Hybrids are much 1:19:07.600 --> 1:19:10.400 more affordable, and you have brands like Towyta that are 1:19:10.400 --> 1:19:14.400 moving to almost all hybrids. All of their cars either 1:19:14.720 --> 1:19:17.880 can be had as hybrids or in some cases like 1:19:17.920 --> 1:19:22.400 the Sienna and the Camera and the Crown, that's the 1:19:22.400 --> 1:19:25.040 only way it comes. So we're moving to a point 1:19:25.080 --> 1:19:27.080 when you look at Twitter like as a leader in 1:19:27.160 --> 1:19:29.760 this area, right, they're moving to a point where it's 1:19:29.800 --> 1:19:32.040 not a choice about getting a hybrid, it's just going 1:19:32.120 --> 1:19:36.439 to come that way, and the way they operate is normal. 1:19:36.479 --> 1:19:39.000 For the most part. They've changed. Listen, anybody out there 1:19:39.000 --> 1:19:40.559 who's thought, oh, I was going to get a hybrid 1:19:40.600 --> 1:19:43.160 fifteen years ago, but they're terrible to drive. You've got 1:19:43.160 --> 1:19:45.000 to drive one today, they're much much better. 1:19:45.400 --> 1:19:48.280 Yeah, technology improves, I mean in EVS. I drove a 1:19:48.479 --> 1:19:52.040 Tesla a few years ago and it was an incredible experience. 1:19:52.040 --> 1:19:54.400 You know, you're driving a computer, self driving computer for 1:19:54.439 --> 1:19:56.519 that matter. That technology is only going to get better. 1:19:56.520 --> 1:19:59.160 But I still think we I think hybrid bridge is 1:19:59.200 --> 1:20:01.000 a gap for a long time. I'm to Thomas Brian 1:20:01.040 --> 1:20:05.080 Moody over Kelly Bluebook and Auto Trader talking about Trump 1:20:05.120 --> 1:20:09.040 relaxing the cafe standards, which is great for manufacturers. It's 1:20:09.040 --> 1:20:11.559 also great for consumers as well. We going to see 1:20:11.560 --> 1:20:13.760 prices level off, if not drop because of this. 1:20:15.240 --> 1:20:15.679 We may. 1:20:15.960 --> 1:20:19.120 But here's the thing about any kind of those predictions. 1:20:19.479 --> 1:20:24.160 The cycle where automakers planned and developed and research vehicles 1:20:24.760 --> 1:20:27.120 is much longer than a year or two. It's more 1:20:27.320 --> 1:20:32.000 like six to eight years. So the few economy standards 1:20:32.000 --> 1:20:34.439 that we have now, yeah, there's a few things they 1:20:34.479 --> 1:20:37.719 can do in the short term, but planning, long term planning, 1:20:38.040 --> 1:20:41.880 And this is probably a point where what President Trump 1:20:41.880 --> 1:20:45.080 has done might be a disadvantage because the back and 1:20:45.160 --> 1:20:48.320 forth can be hard on the automaker being able to 1:20:48.360 --> 1:20:52.200 plan out their product portfolio long term. So it would 1:20:52.200 --> 1:20:54.800 be better to have a middle ground and just say, hey, 1:20:55.080 --> 1:20:57.439 we all agree, let's just keep it this way for 1:20:57.479 --> 1:20:59.680 the next twelve years. That would be better than up 1:20:59.760 --> 1:21:01.360 and down out in the short term. 1:21:01.400 --> 1:21:04.000 I guess get more granular here, Brian, what's the actual 1:21:04.040 --> 1:21:07.120 production cost difference between meeting the old two percent standard 1:21:07.240 --> 1:21:09.920 versus the half a percent standard per vehicle? How much 1:21:09.960 --> 1:21:11.360 does that shave off a car any idea. 1:21:12.880 --> 1:21:14.680 I don't know how much it shaves off a car 1:21:14.760 --> 1:21:17.120 in terms of production, but I know that it does 1:21:17.240 --> 1:21:20.360 reduce the cost of building cars in terms of compliance. 1:21:20.800 --> 1:21:23.599 For example, I spoke to this. This is some time ago. 1:21:23.680 --> 1:21:27.320 I spoke to an executive at the company Renault, which 1:21:27.360 --> 1:21:30.760 is a French company, and one of the reasons they 1:21:30.840 --> 1:21:34.080 stopped making one of their cars with a certain power 1:21:34.120 --> 1:21:38.240 train I think it was a diesel powered subcompact. They said, 1:21:38.240 --> 1:21:41.240 we can't make money on this car because thirty percent 1:21:41.400 --> 1:21:45.000 of the cost is compliant. So any kind you hear 1:21:45.400 --> 1:21:50.040 an additional piece of equipment being added or standards being changed, 1:21:50.280 --> 1:21:53.479 there's a cost for compliance. There's a cost for testing 1:21:53.720 --> 1:21:57.880 in addition to the actual production of the car. Let alone, 1:21:58.000 --> 1:22:01.760 whether or not you decreased drivability or reliability. 1:22:02.200 --> 1:22:04.479 Okay, that's what we'll set that aside. That's an interesting 1:22:04.840 --> 1:22:08.080 perspective from them too. But the other element here too is, Okay, 1:22:08.120 --> 1:22:10.840 we don't have the ev incentives anymore, so, you know, 1:22:10.960 --> 1:22:14.120 no more bellouts for EV and relaxed standards. What happens 1:22:14.120 --> 1:22:16.599 with market share relative to EV's and it's not hybrids 1:22:16.680 --> 1:22:18.840 but just electric vehicles over the next let's say, five 1:22:18.880 --> 1:22:20.800 to eight years, I. 1:22:20.760 --> 1:22:22.920 Think they're going to level off at a certain there's 1:22:22.920 --> 1:22:24.519 there's going to be a point where it's going to 1:22:24.600 --> 1:22:27.799 feel comfortable as part of the market, maybe ten percent, 1:22:27.880 --> 1:22:32.320 let's say. However, I think that the elimination of the rebates, 1:22:32.400 --> 1:22:36.240 the taxpayer funded incentives for electric cars, I think that's 1:22:36.280 --> 1:22:38.840 going to be good for electric cars in the long run. 1:22:39.760 --> 1:22:42.719 What about the sun costs that all automakers have gotten 1:22:42.720 --> 1:22:44.720 into with evs, and now that we're backing off of that, 1:22:44.760 --> 1:22:47.080 what happens with that? 1:22:47.080 --> 1:22:49.560 That's hard. They're going to have to make some adjustments, 1:22:49.640 --> 1:22:54.280 and we already see companies like Volvo, for example, maybe 1:22:54.320 --> 1:22:56.800 walking it back a little bit. And rather than saying, hey, 1:22:56.800 --> 1:23:00.200 we're going to force an ideological solution onto the consumer, 1:23:00.720 --> 1:23:04.200 they have recently said we're going to let consumer demand 1:23:04.400 --> 1:23:07.840 dictate what we do. So full electric by a certain 1:23:07.880 --> 1:23:11.360 time okay, maybe, but they're not going to artificially set 1:23:11.400 --> 1:23:13.880 those times. They're going to let like you had said before, 1:23:14.360 --> 1:23:17.240 let the market decide. That's always going to work out 1:23:17.280 --> 1:23:20.479 best for the company and for the consumer, because what 1:23:20.600 --> 1:23:22.439 do we pick. We all picked the thing that we 1:23:22.600 --> 1:23:24.439 like best that we can afford. 1:23:24.760 --> 1:23:28.400 Okay, But then, logically speaking, three years from now, let's 1:23:28.400 --> 1:23:30.840 say a Democrat gets elected. Does this all get wiped 1:23:30.840 --> 1:23:32.360 out and we start over again? And how do you 1:23:32.400 --> 1:23:35.000 plan that far ahead, if at all, If you're an 1:23:35.000 --> 1:23:37.200 auto manufacturer or tell a car. 1:23:37.120 --> 1:23:41.240 Dealer, that's a risk. I mean, that's definitely a risk. 1:23:41.760 --> 1:23:44.240 And some could argue that's a weak point in the system, 1:23:44.280 --> 1:23:49.720 that it's too prone to partisan back and forth. It 1:23:49.760 --> 1:23:53.679 would be better to have a middle ground that just said, hey, 1:23:53.840 --> 1:23:56.880 here's a good number for a fuel economy. Let's all agree. 1:23:57.000 --> 1:24:01.000 Let's have like a cross party committee that can just 1:24:01.080 --> 1:24:03.519 agree that this is a number and not politicize it. 1:24:03.600 --> 1:24:07.559 Because most cars today, like the average car, you can 1:24:07.600 --> 1:24:10.559 get a car that's gackling only not a hybrid that 1:24:10.640 --> 1:24:13.080 can get forty miles per gallon on the highway. That 1:24:13.200 --> 1:24:16.559 was unheard of twenty years ago, right. 1:24:16.560 --> 1:24:19.519 Because of well, how much of that is innovation and 1:24:20.240 --> 1:24:22.439 how much of that is government? In that Hey, as 1:24:22.439 --> 1:24:24.840 soon as gas prices go up, people start selling their 1:24:24.840 --> 1:24:27.200 evs and cars and get more fuel efficient things. We 1:24:27.240 --> 1:24:30.160 have another oil prices. Everyone wants an EV or something 1:24:30.200 --> 1:24:31.560 that's going to get more miles to the gown. The 1:24:31.600 --> 1:24:33.880 minute it starts to go back down, we go back, 1:24:34.120 --> 1:24:37.320 whipsaw back to the other things. And that's well, again, 1:24:37.400 --> 1:24:39.840 that's a consumer demand in the thickleness that we have there. 1:24:39.880 --> 1:24:40.920 But I think it's. 1:24:40.840 --> 1:24:44.840 Valid, right, But consumers don't want a twelve mile per 1:24:44.880 --> 1:24:48.639 gallon car and the generation to go or less. That 1:24:48.920 --> 1:24:53.599 was not an unusual thing. Today, people expect their car 1:24:53.720 --> 1:24:57.000 to get reasonable fuel economy, add hybrid to it, and 1:24:57.080 --> 1:25:00.400 like you said, I personally drove a plug in ibridge 1:25:00.439 --> 1:25:02.639 for three months. This won't happen to be a Volvo. 1:25:02.760 --> 1:25:05.839 I've got seventy five to eighty miles per gallon plugging 1:25:05.840 --> 1:25:09.240 it in every day, so I know that's possible. And 1:25:09.400 --> 1:25:14.200 I think what happens is the fuel economy ads convenience. 1:25:14.479 --> 1:25:18.000 You now have cars, especially hybrids, with a driving range 1:25:18.000 --> 1:25:21.839 of five or six hundred miles. That is a lifestyle changer. 1:25:22.280 --> 1:25:24.920 When I hear people with electric cars or who are 1:25:25.000 --> 1:25:27.400 electric car proponents say well, on a long trip, it 1:25:27.400 --> 1:25:29.760 only takes an extra forty five minutes to charge up. 1:25:30.240 --> 1:25:32.360 That's true, it does only take an extra forty five 1:25:32.360 --> 1:25:34.800 minutes to charge up. But that sounds like someone who 1:25:34.840 --> 1:25:37.080 doesn't have toddlers. 1:25:37.760 --> 1:25:41.200 Yeah, right, exactly, and we'll leave it at that again. 1:25:41.240 --> 1:25:43.600 Brian Moody Kelly Bluebook in the Auto Trader, he's the 1:25:43.640 --> 1:25:47.920 executive editor there. So I think this is a great thing. 1:25:48.000 --> 1:25:50.240 Quite honestly, is getting a little bit more common sense 1:25:50.280 --> 1:25:53.320 back in manufacturers will thus they'll be incentive for them 1:25:53.360 --> 1:25:57.120 to reduce an increased fuel efficiency in the future. It's 1:25:57.120 --> 1:25:58.920 not like simply it's going to go well twelve miles 1:25:58.960 --> 1:26:01.000 a gall and we won't stand for that anymore. It's 1:26:01.040 --> 1:26:03.360 all about consumer demand, not what the government wants. And 1:26:03.400 --> 1:26:04.960 this one makes sense to me. Brian, all the best, 1:26:04.960 --> 1:26:06.120 thanks for jumping on this morning. 1:26:07.040 --> 1:26:08.120 Thank you beautiful day. 1:26:08.240 --> 1:26:08.320 Edd. 1:26:08.320 --> 1:26:11.599 Speak of weatherwise, we're gonna push maybe mid fifties today. 1:26:11.640 --> 1:26:13.640 By this time next week we could see sixty the 1:26:13.640 --> 1:26:16.200 big six to oz incredible full forecast in the Way 1:26:16.240 --> 1:26:18.599 Traffic News and when a return, we'll keep it money 1:26:19.160 --> 1:26:22.000 with Andy Schaeffer from all Worth Financial on that and more. 1:26:22.040 --> 1:26:26.040 Just ahead seven hundred WLW time to talk. 1:26:25.800 --> 1:26:28.639 About money, how to make it, how to keep it, 1:26:28.880 --> 1:26:34.880 and how to keep others off your stash. 1:26:35.160 --> 1:26:38.800 This is all Worth Advice with Andy Shaeffer. Yeah's time 1:26:38.840 --> 1:26:40.880 we'll talk a well cash money. He is the cash 1:26:40.920 --> 1:26:43.880 money player. The Minister of Money is Andy Shaeffer. Joining 1:26:43.920 --> 1:26:46.040 us from all Worth Financial this morning on seven hundred 1:26:46.040 --> 1:26:49.439 WW Scott's Loan Show, Little Tuesday Morning check at a 1:26:49.520 --> 1:26:51.600 case and last week ended pretty damn well with the 1:26:51.640 --> 1:26:54.960 Dow Jones closing about fifty thousand dollars for the first 1:26:54.960 --> 1:26:58.799 time ever. Although I'm told that is the old person's index, 1:26:58.880 --> 1:27:02.000 a younger people, younger investors don't give a damn about 1:27:02.000 --> 1:27:02.400 the Dow. 1:27:02.760 --> 1:27:06.160 Andy Schaeffer, Well, I'm not exactly a young person, so 1:27:06.280 --> 1:27:09.760 I kind of care about it. And I mean it 1:27:09.800 --> 1:27:12.840 did it hit fifty thousand on Friday, which was great. 1:27:12.920 --> 1:27:15.840 You know, I celebrated Friday night because I remember when 1:27:15.880 --> 1:27:18.880 I started in this business out in Denver, Colorado, back 1:27:18.880 --> 1:27:21.960 in nineteen ninety nine, it was around nine or ten thousand. 1:27:22.160 --> 1:27:25.360 So you know, that tells you immediately that if you 1:27:25.479 --> 1:27:28.880 just stay the course and have some strategies in place 1:27:28.920 --> 1:27:32.280 to navigate volatility, you know you're gonna come out on 1:27:32.320 --> 1:27:34.719 the other side looking pretty good. And so yeah, fifty 1:27:34.760 --> 1:27:37.120 thousand was a big deal to me. You know, usually 1:27:37.120 --> 1:27:39.840 when you talk about the markets and how the markets 1:27:39.840 --> 1:27:41.759 are performing, I think the S and P five hundreds 1:27:41.920 --> 1:27:43.799 is a little bit better gauge. You have five hundred 1:27:43.800 --> 1:27:46.719 of the largest US companies compared to the Dallas thirty. 1:27:46.760 --> 1:27:50.080 But it was still an exciting day and I certainly 1:27:50.080 --> 1:27:52.719 celebrated Friday night because I think that's a big deal. 1:27:52.600 --> 1:27:55.400 With well, like a ten thousand dollars bottle of wine. 1:27:55.520 --> 1:27:58.880 Yeah, well, you know, we had a good time. 1:27:58.920 --> 1:28:01.479 I mean, I saw Street. I know what happens in 1:28:01.520 --> 1:28:02.200 those limos. 1:28:03.320 --> 1:28:04.080 Amount of money. 1:28:04.479 --> 1:28:06.080 Well, and I think you know, a lot of people 1:28:06.120 --> 1:28:08.040 have made a lot of money over the last three years. 1:28:08.080 --> 1:28:12.040 If you've been invested and didn't panic during the terrorists 1:28:12.120 --> 1:28:15.439 last April, made some adjustments to your portfolio, there's a 1:28:15.479 --> 1:28:16.960 lot of people that have made a lot of money 1:28:17.080 --> 1:28:19.600 over the last three years. And you know, hopefully everybody's 1:28:19.640 --> 1:28:22.640 continuing to participate. You know, our data right now is 1:28:22.680 --> 1:28:25.519 fairly stable, So hang in there. I think there are 1:28:25.560 --> 1:28:26.599 still brighter days to come. 1:28:26.720 --> 1:28:28.920 Yeah, as Cube said, it was a good day. That's 1:28:28.960 --> 1:28:31.760 right at the same time we got fifty thousand the Dow. 1:28:32.160 --> 1:28:35.520 We also saw a little bit how AI can disrupt markets. 1:28:35.920 --> 1:28:39.160 Oh yeah, so AI was interesting last week. You know 1:28:39.200 --> 1:28:41.519 that at one point there was a venture capitalist that 1:28:41.800 --> 1:28:44.559 said that software is eating the work, eating the world. 1:28:44.560 --> 1:28:47.240 And he said that back in twenty and eleven, and 1:28:47.240 --> 1:28:49.600 and what he meant by that was that, you know, 1:28:49.600 --> 1:28:52.040 when we have this new technology, it can make other 1:28:52.120 --> 1:28:55.160 technology a little bit obsolete. And one of the things 1:28:55.200 --> 1:28:58.080 that he said was, you know, the emerging cloud computing 1:28:58.120 --> 1:29:02.439 capabilities and the ability to scale infrastructure with low upfront costs, 1:29:02.840 --> 1:29:06.120 you know, can have a big impact on our general 1:29:06.160 --> 1:29:08.200 production and the way that we do business. And so 1:29:08.880 --> 1:29:10.680 you know, if you fast forward to today, there's some 1:29:10.800 --> 1:29:13.599 fear that AI is kind of doing the same to software. 1:29:14.320 --> 1:29:16.160 And some of that was evident last week when you 1:29:16.200 --> 1:29:20.040 saw Anthropodict showcase some of the new features in It's 1:29:20.120 --> 1:29:23.000 in its cloud agent that basically can handle a lot 1:29:23.080 --> 1:29:25.720 of the complex workflows that you would have with your 1:29:25.760 --> 1:29:29.400 basic CRMs. You know, we use Salesforce here at all 1:29:29.400 --> 1:29:32.160 Worth Financial, and I do love that CRM. But what 1:29:32.200 --> 1:29:33.920 you're starting to see is is that some of these 1:29:34.000 --> 1:29:37.479 AI capabilities you know, can solve a lot of these 1:29:37.479 --> 1:29:40.360 workflows a lot more efficiently than what we see with 1:29:40.479 --> 1:29:42.920 General CRM. So there's some concern there. 1:29:42.960 --> 1:29:43.120 Now. 1:29:43.120 --> 1:29:45.439 I don't think that this is going to you know, 1:29:45.560 --> 1:29:48.040 change the way that we do business overnight or make 1:29:48.200 --> 1:29:51.040 the software obsolete, but there has to be a transition 1:29:51.280 --> 1:29:53.439 on the end user companies to attempt to kind of 1:29:53.479 --> 1:29:56.960 recreate some of those types of AI approaches, and so 1:29:57.120 --> 1:30:00.960 that's something that has a lot of investors concern generally speaking, 1:30:00.960 --> 1:30:03.679 and I think there could be over time some pressure 1:30:03.720 --> 1:30:05.519 on that industry. But you know, it's you have to be. 1:30:05.479 --> 1:30:09.080 Seen, okay, Yeah, and it's it's all changing, its intermingling 1:30:09.120 --> 1:30:11.240 and those things across I guess it. So at some point, 1:30:11.240 --> 1:30:13.559 maybe AI companies become traded on the Dow and then 1:30:13.600 --> 1:30:16.000 the young people who hate the Dow will and lean 1:30:16.040 --> 1:30:17.679 into it because they're older and that's where the money 1:30:17.720 --> 1:30:20.439 is it's more stable. So that's right. It just trickles up. 1:30:20.479 --> 1:30:23.280 It's just I mean, you look at it throughout history. 1:30:23.320 --> 1:30:24.800 You know, when we were in the nineteen twenties and 1:30:24.840 --> 1:30:27.599 nineteen thirties, you know, we had mostly an industrial type 1:30:27.640 --> 1:30:30.120 of economy, you know, general Electric used to be on 1:30:30.160 --> 1:30:31.680 the Dow. They're not on the Dow anymore. And so 1:30:31.880 --> 1:30:33.519 you know, when you when you look at the way 1:30:33.520 --> 1:30:36.400 that we transition from a society where it used to 1:30:36.479 --> 1:30:40.400 be manufacturing was the driver to how you know, our 1:30:40.560 --> 1:30:43.240 total output as far as GDP was more important than 1:30:43.280 --> 1:30:45.479 the services industry. Well, that is flipped on its head. 1:30:45.520 --> 1:30:48.240 You know, now the services industry is way more important 1:30:48.280 --> 1:30:50.519 than our manufacturing industry, and you just have to be 1:30:50.880 --> 1:30:51.719 willing to adapt. 1:30:51.960 --> 1:30:54.840 Okay, very good, that's the volatility. Where at the Dow, 1:30:54.960 --> 1:30:57.599 things are looking good. Everything's holding steady. Right now, Let's 1:30:57.640 --> 1:31:00.320 talk about that job market. The January jobs report laid 1:31:00.360 --> 1:31:03.519 because of the mini meltdown that Congress had last week, 1:31:04.360 --> 1:31:06.959 but there's plenty of labor market data to decipher. 1:31:07.000 --> 1:31:07.120 Here. 1:31:07.160 --> 1:31:07.559 What do we have? 1:31:08.080 --> 1:31:10.679 Yeah, so the January jobs report was delayed last week. 1:31:10.720 --> 1:31:13.040 We're actually going to get those numbers tomorrow, so that 1:31:13.080 --> 1:31:16.839 will be interesting. Yeah, we're looking at kind of lukewarm report, 1:31:16.960 --> 1:31:20.679 maybe seventy thousand new jobs added. I think unemployment might 1:31:20.920 --> 1:31:23.840 hold study at about four point four percent. But we 1:31:23.840 --> 1:31:26.679 did get some some data last week, the Jolts Report, 1:31:26.720 --> 1:31:28.640 which we like to call to take this job and 1:31:28.680 --> 1:31:32.320 Shove it report where if you have a job and 1:31:32.360 --> 1:31:35.160 you're actively seeking another job, and so you know, that 1:31:35.200 --> 1:31:38.880 gives us an indication of how much availability in jobs 1:31:38.880 --> 1:31:40.760 that are out there. And we saw that they fell 1:31:40.840 --> 1:31:43.160 sharply and December at about six point five million, and 1:31:43.200 --> 1:31:46.439 that was its lowest level. So it's twenty twenty. The 1:31:46.560 --> 1:31:50.120 ratio of job openings to unemployed workers further fell below one, 1:31:50.240 --> 1:31:53.160 So that kind of signaled a hiring demand and wage 1:31:53.160 --> 1:31:55.880 pressure are easing a little bit. And so you know, 1:31:55.920 --> 1:31:57.840 when we flip that towards the FED, you know, the 1:31:57.880 --> 1:31:59.719 FED is thinking at this point, well, if we continue 1:31:59.760 --> 1:32:02.639 to see you know, more stress in the labor market 1:32:02.720 --> 1:32:05.120 than things starting to cool down, that might allow them 1:32:05.160 --> 1:32:07.360 to cut rates even further. So we'll see how that goes. 1:32:07.400 --> 1:32:09.360 Now, we saw jobless numbers go up, though. 1:32:09.920 --> 1:32:12.719 Yeah, jobs claims rose from two hundred and nine thousand 1:32:12.760 --> 1:32:14.920 to two hundred and thirty one. Some of that might 1:32:15.000 --> 1:32:19.320 be seasonal around the MLK holiday than a sudden deterioration, 1:32:19.479 --> 1:32:21.240 but I do think, you know, we did have this 1:32:21.360 --> 1:32:23.799 data that came out which is the Challenger Jobs cuts, 1:32:23.920 --> 1:32:26.599 and what that means is that a lot of these 1:32:26.680 --> 1:32:30.439 large companies have to announce cuts before they make them. 1:32:30.439 --> 1:32:32.880 If you have certain meat, certain criteria as far as 1:32:32.920 --> 1:32:35.800 the size of your company and the revenue that you have, 1:32:35.920 --> 1:32:38.920 you actually have to give a heads up, you know, 1:32:39.000 --> 1:32:42.360 from a public standpoint, about what you're planning to do. 1:32:42.640 --> 1:32:46.200 And so we saw those ers to over one hundred 1:32:46.200 --> 1:32:48.280 and eight thousand in January, so that was about a 1:32:48.400 --> 1:32:51.920 over one hundred percent increase year over year. Now a 1:32:51.960 --> 1:32:54.360 lot of that has to do with three of the 1:32:54.400 --> 1:32:57.439 major companies on the S and P five hundred, Ups 1:32:57.479 --> 1:33:00.559 which is about thirty thousand, Amazon about six, and now 1:33:00.640 --> 1:33:03.360 Chemical which is about four point five. So I think 1:33:03.400 --> 1:33:06.000 this is a little bit more concentrated as opposed to 1:33:06.479 --> 1:33:08.920 a more wide ranging issue when we move forward. 1:33:09.120 --> 1:33:12.000 Really interesting too, Okay, So yeah, job as a go to, 1:33:13.040 --> 1:33:14.479 I guess the thing is, I'm looking at the Dow 1:33:14.520 --> 1:33:17.320 when people always connected wrongly. So, but what's going on 1:33:17.360 --> 1:33:19.120 Wall Street and mainstream at the jobs? Okay, so it's 1:33:19.120 --> 1:33:20.720 hard to find Why is it so hard to find 1:33:20.720 --> 1:33:21.080 a job? 1:33:21.960 --> 1:33:22.240 Do you know? 1:33:22.439 --> 1:33:23.760 What I do know? 1:33:23.960 --> 1:33:26.599 And so what we're looking at now is there's still 1:33:26.680 --> 1:33:30.280 uncertainty out there manufacturing, even though we got a positive 1:33:30.320 --> 1:33:33.640 report from the Ism Services for the first time in 1:33:33.680 --> 1:33:36.200 a year. It's still wavering a little bit. And so 1:33:37.200 --> 1:33:38.880 a lot of times what you're looking at is from 1:33:38.880 --> 1:33:40.719 a corporate standpoint, when you go to the c suite 1:33:40.760 --> 1:33:42.639 and they're trying to make decisions as far as payroll 1:33:42.760 --> 1:33:45.920 is concerned, is that they're happy with the employers that 1:33:45.960 --> 1:33:49.120 they have. They're basically holding steady. We still don't have 1:33:49.200 --> 1:33:51.920 full clarity on the impact of tariffs. We still don't 1:33:51.960 --> 1:33:55.920 have deals done with China, Canada and Mexico, and so 1:33:56.479 --> 1:33:59.680 instead of hiring more to begin to ramp up for 1:33:59.720 --> 1:34:02.599 more production, a lot of companies are holding steady. Now 1:34:02.800 --> 1:34:06.520 that doesn't necessarily mean that they're making cuts. But if 1:34:06.560 --> 1:34:08.400 you have a job right now, it's like that you'll 1:34:08.920 --> 1:34:10.680 keep a job. But if you don't, it's going to 1:34:10.720 --> 1:34:13.160 be harder. And I did see a report from economists 1:34:13.200 --> 1:34:16.519 not too long ago, particularly college graduates are having a 1:34:16.520 --> 1:34:19.000 difficult time to find a job. And so you know, 1:34:19.000 --> 1:34:21.920 when I'm explaining what's going on from a corporate standpoint, 1:34:21.960 --> 1:34:24.360 this is more about white collar jobs and it is 1:34:24.360 --> 1:34:27.240 about blue collar jobs. They're hard to find. What companies 1:34:27.280 --> 1:34:29.679 are looking for, if they do hire, is usually somebody 1:34:29.680 --> 1:34:34.200 with experience that has specific, specific talents that are able 1:34:34.240 --> 1:34:36.800 to help them get you know, pass of certain goals 1:34:36.840 --> 1:34:39.519 that they have as opposed to training new people out 1:34:39.520 --> 1:34:42.000 of school. So it's really hard right now for college 1:34:42.000 --> 1:34:44.840 graduates that are coming out now. Blue collar jobs are available, 1:34:45.280 --> 1:34:47.360 so they're to be had, and I'm a big support 1:34:47.400 --> 1:34:50.280 of the trades. You know, it's particularly for young people. 1:34:50.400 --> 1:34:54.080 It's an easy and fast way to begin a career 1:34:54.080 --> 1:34:56.400 that can be very successful in rewarding, and you can 1:34:56.400 --> 1:34:58.479 make good money doing it. So it really just kind 1:34:58.479 --> 1:35:00.599 of depends on the industry that you're looking at. When 1:35:00.640 --> 1:35:02.400 people say it's hard to find a job, it just 1:35:02.439 --> 1:35:03.760 kind of depends on the demographic. 1:35:03.880 --> 1:35:06.040 I think schools are leading into it. Earlier the week 1:35:06.080 --> 1:35:09.080 I had on the present, Miami University talking about that 1:35:09.120 --> 1:35:11.800 new thirty one million dollar tech center that they have 1:35:11.960 --> 1:35:15.600 up there right advanced Manufacturing. They partner you know, they 1:35:15.640 --> 1:35:19.360 partner with Butler Tech. They partner with companies to basically 1:35:19.400 --> 1:35:21.920 create a workforce. And I think University of looking at 1:35:21.920 --> 1:35:23.519 this and going, hey, you know what, the old model, 1:35:23.520 --> 1:35:26.280 the way we taught for your degree, that's not working 1:35:26.320 --> 1:35:28.080 a lot of areas. We got to lean into this 1:35:28.640 --> 1:35:31.000 the workforce development thing, and we got to get people 1:35:31.120 --> 1:35:32.480 interested in manufacturing. 1:35:32.520 --> 1:35:32.760 Again. 1:35:32.800 --> 1:35:35.000 It's all high tech. It's not like the factories of old. 1:35:35.040 --> 1:35:37.360 For sure, the money are really good, but it's good 1:35:37.400 --> 1:35:41.000 to see the educational system, in particular Miami lean into 1:35:41.040 --> 1:35:41.360 this thing. 1:35:41.720 --> 1:35:41.920 Yeah. 1:35:41.960 --> 1:35:45.120 I actually heard that that was a great interview too. 1:35:45.160 --> 1:35:46.600 Well, thank you, I appreciate it. 1:35:46.680 --> 1:35:49.680 You're pretty good at your job. But yeah, that was 1:35:49.760 --> 1:35:51.360 that was awesome. And one of the things that I 1:35:51.400 --> 1:35:54.679 took away from that was he was talking about, you know, 1:35:55.040 --> 1:35:57.280 you can start a career there, and you can get 1:35:57.320 --> 1:36:00.439 high school students to get involved there as well and 1:36:00.560 --> 1:36:02.200 merge with a lot of the college students. They can 1:36:02.240 --> 1:36:05.680 earn credits, and furthermore, it's not you know, you're there 1:36:05.720 --> 1:36:07.400 for two years or you're there for four years, and 1:36:07.400 --> 1:36:08.880 then you move on to your career and they never 1:36:08.880 --> 1:36:10.880 see again. One of the things I found fascinating about 1:36:10.880 --> 1:36:13.000 your interview was that he's like, he said that, hey, 1:36:13.000 --> 1:36:15.840 you can keep coming back and continue to add credentials 1:36:15.840 --> 1:36:18.479 and continue to add skills and those type of things, 1:36:18.479 --> 1:36:21.040 and I thought that was neat. The other thing that 1:36:21.040 --> 1:36:24.120 stood out to me was when he was explaining about 1:36:24.160 --> 1:36:27.320 what work looks like in factories these days. And I 1:36:27.360 --> 1:36:30.400 have a client that was an executive at Schneider Electric 1:36:30.520 --> 1:36:32.840 down at Lexington, and I went down to visit his 1:36:32.960 --> 1:36:35.080 factory and had a meeting with them. When you go 1:36:35.120 --> 1:36:38.120 in some of these factories these days, they are spotless. 1:36:38.320 --> 1:36:42.240 I mean they're run very well. They take the very 1:36:42.280 --> 1:36:46.680 specific precautions about cleanliness and efficiency. I mean you have 1:36:46.760 --> 1:36:49.600 to you know, mask up and put boots on, you know, 1:36:49.640 --> 1:36:53.000 like slippers and clean Oh my gosh, it's amazing. And 1:36:53.040 --> 1:36:56.120 the efficiency and the technology that's involved with it. It's 1:36:56.120 --> 1:36:58.080 not like it was back in the thirties or forties, 1:36:58.080 --> 1:37:01.240 where you have Greece and the place and you know, 1:37:01.280 --> 1:37:02.920 and you're hammering and all that kind of we still 1:37:02.920 --> 1:37:06.240 battle that. Yeah, it's it's completely different. So, yeah, that 1:37:06.280 --> 1:37:07.920 interview was great. And then you know, it just goes 1:37:07.960 --> 1:37:10.679 to show you that people are not forgetting about the trades, 1:37:10.720 --> 1:37:13.439 particularly Miami University, and they put money into it, and 1:37:13.439 --> 1:37:16.840 that facility up there in Butler County is amazing. So 1:37:16.960 --> 1:37:18.880 I'm really looking forward to seeing how that all plays 1:37:18.880 --> 1:37:20.439 out up there, because I think that's pretty exciting. 1:37:20.600 --> 1:37:21.920 I mean, taking a little paper million you made a 1:37:22.000 --> 1:37:24.000 huge investment there, and I think it's gonna it's gonna 1:37:24.040 --> 1:37:26.439 pay dividends for the future of the workforce. So you know, 1:37:26.479 --> 1:37:28.000 there are jobs out there we just got to get. 1:37:28.160 --> 1:37:30.200 It's also the mind changes that we talked about too, 1:37:30.320 --> 1:37:32.599 is you know that the people, and largely it's influenced 1:37:32.600 --> 1:37:34.639 by mom and Dad and Graham and Grandpa, that it's 1:37:34.439 --> 1:37:37.280 a greasy, grimy job and you know you're gonna get 1:37:37.360 --> 1:37:39.640 hurt and your disability and it's like yeah, and then 1:37:39.640 --> 1:37:42.040 you walk into a place to go, wow, this is manufacturing. Yeah, 1:37:42.320 --> 1:37:44.880 it looks like a lab where they would make microchips. 1:37:45.040 --> 1:37:47.880 That's right, you know, and it's it's as safe as 1:37:47.920 --> 1:37:50.600 as possibly can be. You know, the robots and the 1:37:50.720 --> 1:37:52.800 like are doing the that that kind of dangerous work, 1:37:52.800 --> 1:37:54.960 and you kind of supervise. But I'm not saying it's 1:37:55.000 --> 1:37:56.960 it's you know, just watching machines run all day, not 1:37:57.040 --> 1:38:00.719 at all. It certainly involves a skill level, for sure, 1:38:00.760 --> 1:38:03.320 but you know to think that somehow it's it's degrading 1:38:03.360 --> 1:38:05.240 work and you walk into go wow, so are you 1:38:05.320 --> 1:38:08.880 like an engineer? It feels like it right, it's advanced podcast. 1:38:09.120 --> 1:38:11.400 Well that's really the titles of a lot of those workers. 1:38:11.439 --> 1:38:13.760 You know, I was I was walking around freely, and 1:38:13.880 --> 1:38:16.840 they have some very specific skills to be able to 1:38:16.920 --> 1:38:20.519 run these machines. And these machines are you know, hundreds 1:38:20.520 --> 1:38:23.639 of tons, and it's just amazing to watch these workers 1:38:23.760 --> 1:38:27.040 and the delicate balance that they play of operating these 1:38:27.080 --> 1:38:29.599 machines and the efficiency and it's kind of a it's 1:38:29.600 --> 1:38:31.479 a calmer environment. You know, a lot of these workers 1:38:31.520 --> 1:38:33.800 that have their headphones on, they're interacting with each other. 1:38:34.560 --> 1:38:37.080 You can make a good wage at these places. So 1:38:37.720 --> 1:38:40.680 you know, I would encourage young people to consider, you know, 1:38:41.240 --> 1:38:43.639 you work in the trades and you know, in blue 1:38:43.640 --> 1:38:47.080 collar industries because it's not like it was fifty years ago. 1:38:47.160 --> 1:38:47.839 Yeah, exactly. 1:38:47.920 --> 1:38:50.080 So anyway that's going to make and Hamilton, I'm sure 1:38:50.080 --> 1:38:52.240 that's going to be replicated anywhere. Yeah, it's going to 1:38:52.320 --> 1:38:55.000 be really really good. So there are jobs there, it's 1:38:55.040 --> 1:38:59.000 just again look finding the ones that that most people 1:38:59.040 --> 1:39:00.760 turn their nose up at it. Why he would because 1:39:00.760 --> 1:39:02.720 that's a really really good, playing to paying job. So 1:39:02.920 --> 1:39:05.000 I'll say today snapshot, we talked about the market and 1:39:05.080 --> 1:39:08.240 the now hitting fifty thousand AI being a disruptor. Jobs 1:39:08.280 --> 1:39:10.240 where to find him and what's going on in the 1:39:10.360 --> 1:39:12.639 week between now when we next talk on Tuesday. 1:39:13.120 --> 1:39:15.639 Yeah, we have some data that I have my on obviously, 1:39:15.680 --> 1:39:18.599 the jobs report tomorrow, you know, that's that's a big one. 1:39:18.640 --> 1:39:18.800 You know. 1:39:18.840 --> 1:39:21.559 We're also going to get the CPI index, which is 1:39:21.880 --> 1:39:24.519 the Consumer Price index that is a measure of inflation. 1:39:24.600 --> 1:39:27.120 That's going to be on Friday. Thursday. We're going to 1:39:27.160 --> 1:39:29.760 get existing home sales. I think that, you know, I 1:39:29.760 --> 1:39:34.280 can continue to watch home sales, building permits, things like that, 1:39:34.360 --> 1:39:36.040 and I know you're interested in that too, Scott. And 1:39:36.439 --> 1:39:39.160 I think that as rates continue to come down, you know, 1:39:39.240 --> 1:39:41.519 this might loosen up the housing market quite a bit. 1:39:42.240 --> 1:39:44.439 You know, it's likely that we're going to see at 1:39:44.520 --> 1:39:47.400 least one cut this year, probably in June maybe two. 1:39:47.479 --> 1:39:51.240 But I think if we start to get mortgage rates 1:39:51.280 --> 1:39:54.639 into the fives, I think that will really shake things loose, 1:39:54.720 --> 1:39:57.200 to encourage people to start moving around a little bit. 1:39:57.320 --> 1:40:00.040 So as the year progresses, you know, I think that 1:40:00.080 --> 1:40:02.280 will happen. And we're going to get those numbers on Thursday, 1:40:02.320 --> 1:40:05.320 So I'm interested in that as well. Quick question, Yeah, 1:40:05.360 --> 1:40:11.240 where's gold today? Gold this morning is somewhere around six thousand. 1:40:11.439 --> 1:40:14.960 Let's see, it's at five seventy seven, so it's down 1:40:15.080 --> 1:40:17.000 quite a bit from its ties. You know when we 1:40:17.080 --> 1:40:19.680 talked about three weeks ago and you gave me the 1:40:19.720 --> 1:40:21.720 business because I wasn't a big fan of it, and 1:40:21.720 --> 1:40:23.680 then all of a sudden it went down about a 1:40:23.720 --> 1:40:26.559 thousand points. And I think gold is still high. I mean, 1:40:26.560 --> 1:40:28.680 there's a lot of value there. And the reason that 1:40:28.720 --> 1:40:31.560 it started to come back to reality was is, you know, 1:40:31.600 --> 1:40:34.320 there's some you know, more technical issues that are involved 1:40:34.360 --> 1:40:36.920 with it, with futures contracts and margin calls and things 1:40:36.960 --> 1:40:40.439 like that. But it's a steady hedge against inflation, and 1:40:40.880 --> 1:40:44.120 when you continue to see inflation come down, it becomes 1:40:43.720 --> 1:40:47.280 a less attractive area to put your money. You know, 1:40:47.320 --> 1:40:49.680 gold is fine. I don't have anything against it, but 1:40:49.720 --> 1:40:51.680 as a long term investment, I don't think that's your 1:40:51.680 --> 1:40:52.200 best option. 1:40:52.520 --> 1:40:55.960 Okay, so what about these gold medals. I'm an Olympian. 1:40:55.960 --> 1:40:57.479 I want to unload one of these gold medals? How 1:40:57.520 --> 1:40:58.320 much checking get? 1:40:58.840 --> 1:41:00.880 Well? I think, you know, and what I can tell 1:41:01.040 --> 1:41:04.280 I think the golden medals are about you know, six 1:41:04.400 --> 1:41:07.400 grams or something like that, and so you know, if 1:41:07.439 --> 1:41:07.960 you get. 1:41:07.960 --> 1:41:09.000 What's that an American. 1:41:09.920 --> 1:41:13.800 Yeah, you know, somebody mentioned kilogram the other day. I 1:41:13.800 --> 1:41:16.320 don't know if that's eight pounds or one hundred at 1:41:16.320 --> 1:41:19.280 one point, but I think you know, with a you know, 1:41:19.360 --> 1:41:21.479 six gram of gold, a mouse about a thousand bucks. 1:41:21.520 --> 1:41:24.000 And so if you if you win a silver medal, 1:41:24.040 --> 1:41:26.720 you're probably looking at you know, for the price of 1:41:26.760 --> 1:41:29.599 the medal, you're probably looking at somewhere around eighty dollars. 1:41:30.240 --> 1:41:32.960 Bronze medal, you're probably looking at something about six dollars. 1:41:32.960 --> 1:41:35.000 But that's not why these athletes are out there. It's 1:41:35.120 --> 1:41:38.240 they're not out there for you know, winning a medal 1:41:38.280 --> 1:41:40.679 and turning it in at a pawn shop. They're there 1:41:40.720 --> 1:41:43.240 for you know, the glory of their country and doing 1:41:43.240 --> 1:41:46.960 it for their families, and you know, for competition and achievement. 1:41:47.080 --> 1:41:48.960 And I'm a big fan of the Olympics, and I've 1:41:49.000 --> 1:41:51.160 been keeping up with it and I can expect I'll 1:41:51.160 --> 1:41:52.320 continue to watch throughout the weekend. 1:41:52.360 --> 1:41:54.439 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, all the semantics and 1:41:54.439 --> 1:41:56.640 that it's a thousand bucks. A thousand bucks. It's like 1:41:56.680 --> 1:42:00.200 a carping. Yeah, because I'm thinking of unloading my old 1:42:00.200 --> 1:42:01.800 medals and maybe I'll just hold on them. 1:42:01.800 --> 1:42:03.599 I don't know. You know, I think if we gave 1:42:03.640 --> 1:42:05.519 you six months, you might be able to make the 1:42:05.560 --> 1:42:06.160 curling team. 1:42:07.479 --> 1:42:10.600 Listen, I might multiple you know, if farting were an 1:42:10.640 --> 1:42:16.599 Olympic sports schaeffer, I would be. I'd be the Michael Phelps. Anyway, 1:42:16.960 --> 1:42:20.439 He's Andy Schaeffer at all Worth Financial every Tuesday morning 1:42:20.439 --> 1:42:22.680 week chopping up with your money. And it was a 1:42:22.720 --> 1:42:24.439 good week. Let's let's make it two in a row. 1:42:24.520 --> 1:42:25.240 Andy, all the best. 1:42:25.560 --> 1:42:27.680 That sounds good, Scott. 1:42:26.920 --> 1:42:28.599 Hay care man, appreciate you so much. Let me get 1:42:28.640 --> 1:42:31.080 a news update in Willie is standing by afterwards here 1:42:31.120 --> 1:42:33.840 on the Big One. As we start to cross the 1:42:34.000 --> 1:42:37.800 fifty degree threshold today, where so we're close to it, 1:42:37.840 --> 1:42:40.400 some people are saying, like, hey, maybe forty eight forty 1:42:40.479 --> 1:42:45.000 nine catch marks is like fifty five. Hope she's right. 1:42:45.120 --> 1:42:47.360 Meant a little of the snow out. I just hope. 1:42:47.800 --> 1:42:51.000 I just hope your basement stays dry. That's all Sloany. 1:42:51.240 --> 1:42:55.120 Home of the Reds Pitchers and catchers reporting yesterday there 1:42:55.200 --> 1:42:57.839 at Goodyear seven hundred WWT, Cincinnati,