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Speaker 1: Now your host Ken Brew on news Radio seven hundred

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Speaker 1: w welw come on in.

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Speaker 2: We don't play well we did years ago, but we

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Speaker 2: beat the rap. Welcome on in to another Saturday Afternoon extravaganza.

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Speaker 3: It has been a week. It has been a week,

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Speaker 3: and so.

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Speaker 2: Much has transpired, both on the national and international stage,

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Speaker 2: that it's often difficult to keep up from things that

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Speaker 2: are occurring globally with the President to things that are

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Speaker 2: occurring right here in our country.

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Speaker 3: The shootings in.

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Speaker 2: Portland and Minneapolis involving ICE agents, and all of the

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Speaker 2: rhetoric nonsense, most of it from politicians that abound.

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Speaker 3: It's hard for me to believe that any.

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Speaker 2: Of these people that are speaking out against ICE really

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Speaker 2: care about the woman that was killed, whether she was

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Speaker 2: in the right or the wrong. They desperately want to

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Speaker 2: change the narrative from what is a growing scandal in Minnesota,

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Speaker 2: in Minneapolis in particular, involving fraud and Somalians and a

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Speaker 2: fraud that may even extend here to the state of

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Speaker 2: Ohio and other points in between. They want to change

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Speaker 2: the narrative, and unfortunately, there was a shooting that helped them,

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Speaker 2: particularly with.

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Speaker 3: The mainstream media.

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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Internationally, you have Venezuela and Iran and Greenland. Back home,

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Speaker 2: you got Scotis Supreme Court of these United States on

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Speaker 2: Trump's tariffs and a number of other things in between.

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Speaker 3: It's going to be.

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Speaker 2: A tough thing to get done in the next fifteen

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Speaker 2: or twenty minutes, but I'm going to try because I

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Speaker 2: have a man standing by who may be the finest

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Speaker 2: political mind of our time, someone who understands the inner

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Speaker 2: workings of all of this. You can find him on

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Speaker 2: Real Clear Politics as a number of other places. I

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Speaker 2: believe we'll get into that. He's a good guest of

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Speaker 2: this program. And his name, obviously is kenn Spivak and Kennan,

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Speaker 2: how aren't you on this Glory Is Saturday.

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Speaker 4: I am fantastic, but I would prefer sitting the expectations

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Speaker 4: low so I might exceed them.

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Speaker 2: That's right, under promise and overdelivered. I got that. Welcome

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Speaker 2: to radio. I'm going to be really I guess hopscotch

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Speaker 2: with my questions here because there's so many. I'll start Internationally. Venezuela.

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Speaker 2: We heard again this week the President say that he's

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Speaker 2: not into nation building in Venezuela. But they got Maduro out.

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Speaker 2: They're trying to reset the structure in there. They have

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Speaker 2: nobody in charge. The vice president seems to be at

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Speaker 2: least mildly corrupt because she was part of the Maduro regime.

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Speaker 2: How do we go into Venezuela, do what we do

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Speaker 2: and say we're going to be there probably for three

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Speaker 2: or four years, and have it not be nation building?

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Speaker 3: Help me throw that one? Can you?

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Speaker 5: All right? Well?

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Speaker 4: This is something really very very different. I want to

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Speaker 4: give credit to a calling you find it real clear

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Speaker 4: David de Rosis, who wrote a terrific article about the

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Speaker 4: difference between going in on normal nation like what we

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Speaker 4: did in A.

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Speaker 6: And this from afar.

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Speaker 4: Coercing the existing, as they say, management, the existing government

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Speaker 4: of the country to do what we want. Now, we

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Speaker 4: don't know if this is going to work. We know

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Speaker 4: that this is avoiding boots on the ground. We know

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Speaker 4: that it is so far, in a very short period

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Speaker 4: of time, seeming to work. But there is no way

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Speaker 4: to accomplish what we want. First, it'll stop the second

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Speaker 4: we have a change in administration, unless maybe it's to

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Speaker 4: another Republican and even then it might stop. The commitment

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Speaker 4: might not be the same. Second for this to work,

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Speaker 4: will require continuing effort by the US, contrary to world

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Speaker 4: opinion of what America should be doing. Because look, let's

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Speaker 4: face facts, getting Maduro out was in many ways a

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Speaker 4: law enforcement operation. We've done it many times before. But

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Speaker 4: what we're doing now does involve elements of imperialists. It

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Speaker 4: involves economic imperialism regarding their oil, it involves elements of

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Speaker 4: healthcare imperialism regarding the drugs. This is not.

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Speaker 6: A simple one off operation.

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Speaker 4: This is maybe a very clever, less risky building.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So it sounds like that everybody is starting to

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Speaker 2: if there are outside players with all of this. I

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Speaker 2: refer to, of course, the country of China. Let's hop

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Speaker 2: Homine is saying that, okay, these protests better stop, or

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Speaker 3: Aron's week.

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Speaker 2: We know that internally externally, how big of a situation

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Speaker 6: Obama and before him Trump.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry Bush lost the chance to use U power

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Speaker 4: to support uprisings in around. Trump is not going to

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Speaker 4: see some use of force special forces, perhaps Israel, in

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Speaker 4: support of this uprising. I think that Trump has a

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Speaker 4: commitment to see this uprising result in regime change. I

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Speaker 4: don't think you're going to see the US to see

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, they may just implode on their own

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Speaker 2: up the pieces. There's a lot going on internationally. I

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Speaker 2: want to get to Greenland. I look at Greenland. Trump

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Speaker 2: wants Greenland, Greenland. He said there are military reasons why.

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Speaker 2: There's also the element of minerals that Greenland has that

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Speaker 2: we want in the United States. I see three options

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Speaker 2: for Trump. Let me know if you think there's a fourth.

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Speaker 2: He can invade it militarily. If he does, I think

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Speaker 2: that could be the end of NATO. He could buy it.

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Speaker 2: Sounds like he may be trying to buy off some

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Speaker 2: I would suggest door number three. But I go back

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Speaker 2: to the original question. I think we talked about maybe

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Speaker 2: the last time you were on much of it. How

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Speaker 2: much of an immediate interest is this for Trump with

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Speaker 2: all of this other stuff going on internationally?

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Speaker 6: This is crazy.

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Speaker 4: This talk of in Greenland has got to stop. And

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Speaker 4: I've said that on the show before. Talking about it

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Speaker 4: is almost as bad as doing it. It is contrary

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Speaker 4: to all core American values. I think it's important to Trump.

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Speaker 4: It was important to Trump in the first administration. Now

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Speaker 4: that he had this terrific success in Venezuela, he and

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Speaker 4: we already have a treaty that gives the US troops

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Speaker 5: We want.

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Speaker 4: We already can do a lot of what it is

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Speaker 4: that we need to do in Greenland, which is to

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Speaker 5: Protect the US.

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Speaker 4: From China and Russian adventurousness. But we don't need to

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Speaker 4: do it by invading a country which is part of NATO.

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Speaker 4: Which is part of the European Union, which is an ally,

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Speaker 4: and we need to go through door three, use a

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Speaker 4: combination of economic incentives enforcing the existing treaty. And we

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Speaker 4: need to stop this talk of attacking a NITO ally.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I understand the strategic situation that goes on there,

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Speaker 2: but you're right, that benefits nobody. It just makes a

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Speaker 2: situation that could have a positive effect even more difficult

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Speaker 2: to achieve.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's come home.

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Speaker 2: I think it was seventeen Republicans joined Democrats this week

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Speaker 2: the pass in essence the subsidies for Obamacare extend them

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Speaker 2: for three more years.

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Speaker 3: I think the vote was two thirty. I think they

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Speaker 3: got two hundred and thirty positive votes on that. Riya's

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Speaker 2: Does that survive a filibuster in the Senate? In other words,

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Speaker 2: was this a show vote inside the House and when

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Speaker 2: it gets to the Senate, it's not going to survive

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Speaker 2: a filibuster, And then in essence put us on a

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Speaker 4: It's not going to survive a celibuster. It was a mistake.

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Speaker 4: Those Republicans should not have done what they did. A

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Speaker 4: six month extension fine, a one year extension even I

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Speaker 4: could understand that, but a three year extension for subsidies

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Speaker 4: that were never intended to be part of the program,

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Speaker 4: that are subsidizing millionaires and billionaires, that are undermining ability

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Speaker 4: to control health care, and that go against the policy

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Speaker 4: of an administration that they're trying. It was a terrible mistake,

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Speaker 4: but it will, in hindsight, have been show votes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what does that do for a potential shutdown?

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Speaker 7: Though?

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Speaker 3: I mean, because this was the big folk rum right

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Speaker 2: Yeah, was so if I'm not mistaken, and place correct

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Speaker 2: me if I'm wrong that we run out of money

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Speaker 2: allegedly at the end of this month, don't we?

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Speaker 5: Right right.

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Speaker 5: Least a few years.

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Speaker 4: This one's last twenty seven days away.

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Speaker 6: I don't think there.

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Speaker 4: Will be another shutdown, but this vote made one more

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Speaker 4: likely because it gives cover to the Democrats that there

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Speaker 5: What they want to do. So I had the vote not.

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Speaker 4: Gone this way, I would have ruled out a shutdown

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Speaker 4: I do hope that there's another shutdown that Trump this

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Speaker 4: time more fully effectuates what he threatened last time, which

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think it goes back to what I believe that

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Speaker 2: every Democrat in Washington is a Democrat, but not every

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Speaker 2: these seventeen are scared to death about re election in

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Speaker 2: November as opposed to what may or may not be best

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Speaker 2: for the country. That's a discussion for another day. I'm

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Speaker 2: wondering we had that shooting in Minneapolis this week, we

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Speaker 3: You and I know at this point whether the.

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Speaker 2: Officer involved, the ice officer involved, was in self defense,

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Speaker 2: whether it was something else. But we did see what

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Speaker 2: happened afterwards, and that were these instant, almost call to

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Speaker 2: arms demonstrations that take over a city. Now I think

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Speaker 2: there's a there's some sort of zone that's been set

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Speaker 2: up again in Portland where I guess the mob can

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Speaker 2: rule and destroy businesses. Why doesn't the president just enforce

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Speaker 2: the Insurrection Insurrection Act that other presidents before him did.

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Speaker 2: I mean, JFK did it, LBJ did it, albeit a

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Speaker 2: could end a lot of the stuff that we've seen

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Speaker 2: in the wake of these shootings if he just said,

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Speaker 2: look enough, this is what we're doing and we're in

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Speaker 2: full compliance with the law. You're staging an insurrection and

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Speaker 2: you will be arrested if you continue. Seems to me

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Speaker 2: he has that power and he doesn't want to do it.

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Speaker 2: Can you understand why he wouldn't want to do it?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, first, I'm not so sure.

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Speaker 4: Well, let me back up.

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Speaker 6: I think that all.

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Speaker 2: Thank you all right, to stay well, Kennon Spivac, RealClearPolitics

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Speaker 6: will you stop and appreciate how special and how historic

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Speaker 6: all of this has been.

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Speaker 3: I'm really not thinking about the next game.

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Speaker 9: I'm thinking about cracking open a beer.

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Speaker 3: There you go.

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Speaker 2: That's about as humorous as it gets for Indiana. But

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Speaker 2: they don't need humor. They've got a great football team.

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Speaker 2: And if I had a make book right now, I

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Speaker 2: would ride on Indiana. All due respect to the you,

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Speaker 2: and they're playing very well. I would ride on Indiana.

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Speaker 2: Mendoza especially, this is a guy that, let's face it,

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Speaker 2: he has gotten better as the season has progressed, so

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Speaker 2: much so that he has won the current Heisman Trophy.

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Speaker 2: Here's Mendoza after the game and just his journey this year.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I would say I have came a long way

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Speaker 10: from you know, being here in January, being Game one

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Speaker 10: came on through your pass. I was trying to be superman,

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Speaker 10: and then the coaching staff settled me down. He's like, hey,

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Speaker 10: you don't got to be superman. We have a great

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Speaker 10: defense and a great superstars, you know, playmakers and alvisly

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Speaker 10: on offense, so just do your job. So my job

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Speaker 10: is to be effective with making you know, really accurate

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Speaker 10: balls and really great decisions. And that's why i pride

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Speaker 10: myself on every single play and so I'm glad those

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Speaker 10: results of game.

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Speaker 3: However, none of that matters. All that matters right now

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Speaker 3: is National.

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Speaker 2: Championship the National Championship Game, and the National Championship Game

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Speaker 2: is coming up on the nineteenth between the University of

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Speaker 2: Miami and Indiana. Like I said, if I had to

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Speaker 2: make book on it right now, I would ride it

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Speaker 2: on IU. But you know, you can't get caught up

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Speaker 2: in the moment. Miami played very well the other night

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Speaker 2: against Ole, miss not as well as Indiana played last night.

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Speaker 2: So uh Duke Tobin, the de facto general manager of

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Speaker 2: your Cincinnati Bengals, held a news conference yesterday. It's fun

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Speaker 2: to watch Twitter leading up to it. Breathless were some

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Speaker 2: of the tweets, both from people that report on the

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Speaker 2: Bengals and people that are just fans, like this was

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Speaker 2: going to be akin to what Winston Churchill was going

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Speaker 2: to say to the Supreme Allied Command before D Day.

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Speaker 2: And anybody that's been around and watched how the Bengals

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Speaker 2: operate knows that This was not going to be anything

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Speaker 2: that would reveal any way that would provide a window

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Speaker 2: into the way the Bengals operate. Anybody that thought Duke

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Speaker 2: tobd was going to come out yesterday and say, you

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Speaker 2: know what, I've screwed up this thing six ways till Sunday.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to resign, it wasn't going to happen.

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Speaker 2: Anybody that thought Duke Tobin was going to come out

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Speaker 2: yesterday and say, the problem is Zach Taylor doesn't know

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Speaker 2: what to do it crunch time. He just doesn't know

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Speaker 2: what plays to call, and he's under the gun and

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Speaker 2: he better go five out of the shoot and qualify

492
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Speaker 2: for the playoffs in twenty twenty six wasn't going to happen.

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Speaker 2: If anybody thought he was going to say, you know

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Speaker 2: what the problem is here. We have enough scouts, we

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Speaker 2: have enough people looking at talent, and that's why sometimes

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Speaker 2: we make draft picks that confound even elementary school children.

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Speaker 2: Wasn't gonna happen. Duke Tobin did say yesterday that, yes,

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Speaker 2: the season, this past one was a disappointment.

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Speaker 11: It was frustrating, it was challenging, it was disappointing for

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Speaker 11: all of us. But More importantly, it was all those

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Speaker 11: things for our fans. We feel that that weighs on us.

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Speaker 11: It hurts us because we know that they have high

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Speaker 11: expectations for us. We embrace those high expectations. Believe me,

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Speaker 11: we have high expectations for this football team as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you could have rolled him out there at any

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Speaker 2: point and he would have said the same thing. They're

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Speaker 2: going to roll him out of the combine, He's going

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Speaker 2: to say the same thing. I think the whole thing

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Speaker 2: yesterday was theater and it was basically to appease the

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Speaker 2: fan base that it is a complete disconnect between what

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Speaker 2: the Bengals do and what they're fans that actually support

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Speaker 2: that team monetarily and otherwise what they expect. So they

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Speaker 2: rolled the guy out. It's not like he's been around

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Speaker 2: for six minutes. He's basically at his hands on the

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Speaker 2: construction of this team since the turn of the millennium.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, I.

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Speaker 2: Understand where he thought. It was a disappointment, and I

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Speaker 2: understand why the fans thought it was disappointing to hear

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Speaker 2: him say this about his scouting department and how, let's

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Speaker 2: just say, how thin it might be.

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Speaker 11: Our scouting staff in my opinion is it is the

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Speaker 11: size that it is because I think the collaboration.

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Speaker 3: Is better at that size.

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Speaker 11: We have never lacked for information on a player. There's

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Speaker 11: never been a player selected that we didn't know anything about.

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Speaker 11: There's never been a player selected that we didn't have

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Speaker 11: multiple reports and large background on. It's not about the

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Speaker 11: volume of information we have. If we make a mistake,

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Speaker 11: it's because at the decision point we made the wrong decision.

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Speaker 11: But it wasn't because we didn't have information on the player.

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Speaker 11: We have information, and we have plenty of opinion.

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Speaker 2: On the and they also have a lot of clunkers.

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Speaker 2: I mean, just go back to twenty twenty. You take

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Speaker 2: Berwin Higgins one two, I mean, anybody could have made

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Speaker 2: those picks. Logan Wilson in round three, a Keen Davis.

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Speaker 2: Gathery's still in the leg, serviceable but hardly a star.

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Speaker 2: And then of course it completely fell apart with Khalid

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Speaker 2: Kareem and Hakeem Dientity. I mean they'd played a dentergy

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Speaker 2: a while a tackle. He's there was nothing special about him.

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Speaker 2: Twenty oh one, twenty twenty one, Chase, anybody could have

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Speaker 2: made that pick. Jackson Carmen in round two clunker. After

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Speaker 2: you get past Joseph Asai and Cam Sample. Pretty good guys,

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Speaker 2: pretty good players. Carmen Osai's going to make a boatload

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Speaker 2: of money this offseason. Tyler Shelvin Huh, Dante Smith. What

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Speaker 2: they did get McPherson. They also got Wyatt Huber and

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Speaker 2: Chris Evans. I mean, I could go on and on

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Speaker 2: in these lists. You're you're you're going to look at

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Speaker 2: the body of a draft and what you got out

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Speaker 2: of it and then see if you exceeded what the

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Speaker 2: norm is for the NFL. There's only about thirty to

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Speaker 2: forty percent of NFL draft picks ever make an active

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Speaker 2: roster forty percent of your picks, you get that you're

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Speaker 2: about at league average, But how many actually become a

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Speaker 2: major contributor. There was a study that was out that

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Speaker 2: found about thirty two percent of drafted players become major contributors.

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Speaker 2: Now that would be like three and a half seasons,

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Speaker 2: a certain number of snaps. I'm not defending Duke Tobin.

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Speaker 2: Duke Tobin is what he is, and this team is

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Speaker 2: what it was or has been over the course of

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Speaker 2: his tenure. Here some good years, some bad years, But

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Speaker 2: I don't think if you have a robust scouting department

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Speaker 2: that does due diligence, that you wind up taking players

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Speaker 2: like Jermaine Burton, like Jackson Carmen. Remember Carmen was an

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Speaker 2: early Day two pick in twenty twenty one. That guy

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Speaker 2: couldn't block a doorway. I think if you do due diligence,

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Speaker 2: you don't draft Cedric o'bahe and think, Okay, we're fine

567
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Speaker 2: replacing perhaps the guy that maybe the best second best

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Speaker 2: tackle in the history of your franchise.

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Speaker 3: I question about that. I know everybody likes to be

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Speaker 3: lean and mean.

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Speaker 2: Best question of the day was asked by Jason Williams

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Speaker 2: of The Inquire and he asked a very simple question.

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Speaker 2: Understanding that you think everything is fine, that the coaches

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Speaker 2: did a good job at the scouting department, is the

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Speaker 2: right size, and everybody has to play harder, why are

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Speaker 2: you still here?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 9: You know.

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Speaker 11: If your question is do I have confidence in myself?

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Speaker 5: I do?

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Speaker 11: But most importantly I've got confidence in the people here.

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Speaker 3: I really do. And I've got.

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Speaker 11: Confidence in the processes that we have here, and I've

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Speaker 11: got confidence in our ownership. I've got confidence in the

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Speaker 11: players we have. We have very good players. It's not

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Speaker 11: up to me to determine whether I'm here or not.

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Speaker 3: I've been doing this my whole life. It is my life.

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Speaker 11: NFL football has been a part of my life since

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Speaker 11: I opened my eyes. That is what I do. So

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Speaker 11: I believe I know this game. I believe I know players,

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Speaker 11: and I know for a fact that nobody works at

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Speaker 11: it more than me.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so the coaches, the scouting department, the players, everything's fine.

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Speaker 2: There Again, why are you here? And how much of

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Speaker 2: a heat factor is there for you and for tailor

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Speaker 2: for next year? You'll never know because Mike Brown will

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Speaker 2: never say. And at the end of all of it,

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Speaker 2: it's still Mike Brown's team, a man of immense patients,

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Speaker 2: immense loyalty. So anybody that thought yesterday was going to

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Speaker 2: be some sort of revelation day.

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Speaker 3: It was never going to happen. It's twelve fifty six

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Speaker 3: straight ahead.

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Speaker 2: What happens if the Supreme Court tells Trump your tariffs

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Speaker 2: and oh good, they're done.

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Speaker 3: What happens to you, me and everybody else?

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Speaker 2: Because it sounds like the economy, which is burping right along,

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Speaker 2: may go straight into the abyss. We'll talk about that

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Speaker 2: next seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 1: Now your post, Ken Brew on news radio seven hundred WLW, Welcome.

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Speaker 2: Back on this Saturday. Yes, yes, yes, Saturday in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 3: Who would like that?

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Speaker 2: Sounds like a perfect day for me. Even if outside

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Speaker 2: it's not all that swift, doesn't matter. That's how we'd

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Speaker 2: like it in January. We like it as long as

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Speaker 2: it's not snowing in January as.

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Speaker 5: What we like.

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Speaker 2: Nevertheless, for whatever reason, the Supreme Court decided not to

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Speaker 2: rule on Trump's tariffs that was expected to come down

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Speaker 2: last Thursday or Friday. It now is supposedly going to

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Speaker 2: come down sometime this week. And what it does, and

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Speaker 2: the Supreme Court is more than likely going to rule

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Speaker 2: against Trump and his tariffs, it will throw for the

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Speaker 2: I think, for the moment, certainly, at least the near future,

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Speaker 2: the economic development and the economic strategy of this administration

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Speaker 2: into a bit of the unknown. And that's to be expected,

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Speaker 2: I think, because Trump's tariffs have been controversial from the start.

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Speaker 2: But what happens if they do decide the court I'm

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Speaker 2: speaking of now, what if it does decide to do

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Speaker 2: away with the tariffs? What then becomes of the economic

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Speaker 2: growth in this country that everybody I think wants to see.

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Speaker 2: Twenty twenty five was an awful year for jobs. According

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Speaker 2: to stats just released, about five hundred and eighty four

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Speaker 2: thousand jobs were created in twenty and twenty five. Two

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Speaker 2: million jobs were added in twenty twenty four and twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty three under the previous administration, four million in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty two. Now, a lot of that was because of

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Speaker 2: the economy coming back from COVID, but the jobs that

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Speaker 2: were added in twenty twenty five five hundred and eighty

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Speaker 2: four thousand seems extraordinarily low. So what's going on here?

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Speaker 2: And why is Wall Street so out of sync with

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Speaker 2: what's going on? With Main Street? Standing by to join us?

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Speaker 2: Is Dan Varoni, highly regarded economic strategist, two time author,

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Speaker 2: and the number one best selling book on Amazon dot

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Speaker 2: com Rethinking Economic Growth? And Dan Varoni, how are you

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Speaker 2: on this glorious Saturday?

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Speaker 5: I'm terrific, Kenada.

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Speaker 9: Although it's raining outside, its sunny inside.

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Speaker 2: God bless you for that. It should be sunny for

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Speaker 2: everybody that's still walking around and breathing and sounds like

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Speaker 2: both you and me are okay? What happens if the

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Speaker 2: Supreme Court, I think as anticipated comes back this week

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Speaker 2: and says, you know, mister President, these tariffs they're simply illegal,

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Speaker 2: and you've exceeded your authority with them. What happens to

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Speaker 2: this country at that point economically.

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Speaker 9: So, based on what I'm reading and what I'm hearing,

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Speaker 9: it sounds like the administrator has a Plan B of

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Speaker 9: Plant C and a Plan D, and that Plan B,

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Speaker 9: Plan C, Plan D will really be delivered on the

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Speaker 9: basis of what the Supreme Court says. The Supreme Court.

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Speaker 5: Could say the following.

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Speaker 9: They could say, mister President, you've exceeded your authority in

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Speaker 9: the executive branch and from now on you need to

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Speaker 9: get the legislative branch to sign off on these. Or

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Speaker 9: they could say, mister President, not only have you exceeded

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Speaker 9: your authority, but you got to give the money back.

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Speaker 9: There could be any number of things.

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Speaker 5: They say.

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Speaker 9: My sense is the reason for the delay can and

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Speaker 9: I've been thinking this through a lot. They may be

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Speaker 9: looking for a way. Back in my days, ass city councilmen.

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Speaker 5: Back in the day, we.

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Speaker 9: Used to have a strategy called we got to find

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Speaker 9: a way to cut the baby in half right away

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Speaker 9: that makes this thing work. It might be that they

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Speaker 9: come up with a definition for what tariffs are, what

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Speaker 9: they should be, and who has the authority to develop

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Speaker 9: and implement them, And at the same time say, mister President,

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Speaker 9: you have in fact exceeded your authority. The tariffs that

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Speaker 9: were in effect can stay there, or something.

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Speaker 5: Along those lines.

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Speaker 9: But I think they are looking to write an opinion

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Speaker 9: that gets them to a middle ground that causes the

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Speaker 9: least possible disruption.

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Speaker 2: Well, it sounds like from what you just said that

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Speaker 2: the Supreme Court would then be writing policy, which is,

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Speaker 2: as you mentioned earlier, a job for the US Congress,

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Speaker 2: for the House and for the Senate. That to me

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Speaker 2: would seem a little dangerous.

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Speaker 9: Is that what you're suggesting, Well, not suggesting, the suggesting

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Speaker 9: that that's what they're probably thinking through right now. You know,

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Speaker 9: what should that role be? What is it we should say?

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Speaker 9: The third option could be that they just push it

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Speaker 9: back to the administration and say you've got to go

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Speaker 9: to Congress and figure this out. I think they're looking

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Speaker 9: at any number of scenarios, and I think that's why

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Speaker 9: there is a delay.

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Speaker 2: Well, if they have to get if they rule that

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Speaker 2: he has to or we have to give the money back,

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Speaker 2: that's disastrous. I don't care how many ways to slice

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Speaker 2: it In an economy that has been at very kind

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Speaker 2: sluggish since the president, the current administration took over, if

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Speaker 2: he's forced to give the money back, that really would

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Speaker 2: shake Main Street to its core, would it not?

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Speaker 3: There had to be a residual effect for something like that.

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Speaker 9: You know, it's interesting because you know, ninety seven percent

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Speaker 9: of small businesses export products outside the United States. But

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Speaker 9: at the same time, you know, depending on the sector

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Speaker 9: and small business you talk to, it's been brutal for some,

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Speaker 9: favorable for others, and it's been a dynamic debate. Yes,

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Speaker 9: it has caused uncertainty. I can tell you that for

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Speaker 9: a fact. I learned that in my book Interviews. But

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Speaker 9: what I will tell you Ken is that this is

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Speaker 9: we are in uncharted territory, and because we're in chartered territory,

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Speaker 9: no one really knows what the Supreme Court is going

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Speaker 9: to say or what it's going to do. But on

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Speaker 9: the basis of the Supreme Court majority, my sense is

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Speaker 9: that they are strict constructionists, meaning that they will stick

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Speaker 9: to the letter of the law in the Constitution as

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Speaker 9: best as possible and will find a way to make

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Speaker 9: this work work. Meaning cause the least amount of disruption.

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Speaker 2: Well, we'll see, as a couple of lawyers that I

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Speaker 2: raised once told me the only thing that is more

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Speaker 2: difficult to handicap than a jury is handicap what a

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Speaker 2: judge will do. So yeah, I think that there's I

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Speaker 2: think that there's great anticipation on this from a number

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Speaker 2: of different levels. Let's take it down to the guy

727
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Speaker 2: walking around the street here in Cincinnati. Five hundred and

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Speaker 2: eighty five thousand jobs created in twenty five In twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty five seems like an inordinately low number. Now we

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Speaker 2: know that a lot of that not certainly not approaching

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Speaker 2: two million, but a lot of those jobs were eliminated

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Speaker 2: by DOGE, and a lot of those were eliminated by

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Speaker 2: other cutbacks inside the federal government. I think unless you

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Speaker 2: work for the federal government, there are not a lot

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Speaker 2: of people weeping for those jobs going away. But there

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Speaker 2: were those jobs that were created in the latter stages

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Speaker 2: of the Biden administration, and when he put five hundred

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Speaker 2: and eighty five thousand up against that, it looks a

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Speaker 2: little weak. Was it all because Biden was rebuilding or

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Speaker 2: enjoying the effects of a rebuilding economy After COVID or

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Speaker 2: is there something else at work here?

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Speaker 9: So here's what I think it comes down to a

743
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Speaker 9: couple of things. One is, Biden had a highly regulated

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Speaker 9: economy and we had regulations that were imposed that cost

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Speaker 9: one point four trillion dollars. Those are job killers. They

746
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Speaker 9: do not incentivize businesses to hire workers. So small businesses,

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Speaker 9: who are the big hiring part of the US economy,

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Speaker 9: they hire two of three new private sector jobs. Hiring

749
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Speaker 9: becomes a disincentive because your cost to comply with.

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Speaker 5: New regulations are expensive.

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Speaker 9: Inflation grew to nine point one percent, and again for

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Speaker 9: small businesses, it was very difficult to make a profit.

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Speaker 9: So I think the last administration had policy put policy

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Speaker 9: in place that served as job killers that were just

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Speaker 9: as simple as that. And the third thing I'll say

756
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Speaker 9: is that the cost of money, the cost capital, grew

757
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Speaker 9: to be too expensive. So small businesses who aren't sitting

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Speaker 9: around with big piles of cash going out to try

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Speaker 9: and get loans. It was expensive to get loans. So

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Speaker 9: when you put those three things together, that's really what

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Speaker 9: you're seeing. At the same time, you had major corporate

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Speaker 9: layoffs to the tune last year, I think of over

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Speaker 9: a million and those corporate layoffs. You know what did

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Speaker 9: they come from, Well, they came from high cost of

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Speaker 9: doing business, uncertainty around the consumer, what was going to

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Speaker 9: happen with the consumer? And then uncertainty what would happen

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Speaker 9: in the new administration. But I will, But what I

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Speaker 9: want you to know is that when you look at

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Speaker 9: those things, productivity in our economy has searched almost five percent.

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Speaker 5: That's the highest it's been in almost six years. The

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Speaker 5: cost of.

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Speaker 9: Employing people is lower.

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Speaker 12: We're looking at at growth. GDP growth was four point

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Speaker 12: three percent the third quarter, could be over five percent

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Speaker 12: in the fourth quarter from last year. But the issue is,

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Speaker 12: the big issue is is this going to be a

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Speaker 12: jobless recovery? And your timing for this conversation is impeccable

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Speaker 12: because I spent the entire morning during research.

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Speaker 5: I'm writing an up that article asking.

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Speaker 9: The Federal Reserve to come to their senses and reduce

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Speaker 9: interest rates by another seventy five basis points.

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Speaker 5: And here's why.

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Speaker 9: So they cut them three times total of three to

784
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Speaker 9: twenty five basis point last year in the third and

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Speaker 9: fourth quarter. But here's the bottom line. Bottom line wasn't enough.

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Speaker 9: The cost of capital is still too high. If you

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Speaker 9: want the economy to grow, you've got to bring your

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Speaker 9: tart target federal fund rates down another seventy five basis points.

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Speaker 9: And they're worried about inflation. But here's what we know

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Speaker 9: about inflame. Inflation fell. We heard in November. In December,

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Speaker 9: from what happened in November two point from three point

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Speaker 9: zero to two point seven. The core inflation rate fell

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Speaker 9: to two point six percent. Those numbers will be updated

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Speaker 9: next week, I think Tuesday or Wednesday, and my senses

795
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Speaker 9: those numbers will be low again. The issue is the

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Speaker 9: Federal Reserve must aggressively pursue its dual mandate. They're better

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Speaker 9: on inflation now it's about employment, and in order to

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Speaker 9: get the employment machine going in small business, they must

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Speaker 9: reduce interest rates by a notice seventy five basis points.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I was just going to say, I think

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Speaker 2: they will because you're going to get Jerome Palell out

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Speaker 2: of the.

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Speaker 3: Way here in the next several months. And you know

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Speaker 3: his economic philosophies I think or are not this is

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Speaker 3: a good word progressive in this sense.

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Speaker 2: They're not progressive. Just thinks he's using tactics that might

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Speaker 2: have been in vogue in the seventies and the eighties,

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Speaker 2: and this country and this economy is nowhere close to

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Speaker 2: where it was back then. I think you got to

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Speaker 2: get this guy out of the way before we get

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Speaker 2: to what you want, which is seventy five basis points,

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Speaker 2: which is a significant cut, as you well know, Yeah it's.

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Speaker 9: A significant cut, but I will tell you it will

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Speaker 9: bring the rates down to like the target rate will

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Speaker 9: go from like two and a half to three percent.

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Speaker 5: Right now it's about three and a half to three

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Speaker 5: point seventy five.

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Speaker 9: And we want small businesses to fully leverage the Big

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Speaker 9: Beautiful Law and the first year one hundred percent expensing

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Speaker 9: for plants and equipment. If they do, more buildings will

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Speaker 9: get built, They will hire people, more equipment will be purchased.

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Speaker 9: As they're purchasing equipment, the people building that equipment will

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Speaker 9: have to hire more people. This has a tremendous magnifier effect.

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Speaker 9: And honestly, I feel like the Federal Reserve is constraining

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Speaker 9: employment that this time with the rates where they are,

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Speaker 9: and as I've been thinking about it since the jobs

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Speaker 9: numbers came out yesterday, I feel like you're looking at.

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Speaker 5: The wrong data.

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Speaker 9: The right data is small business jobs. They were down

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Speaker 9: last year. They had a rebound in December of last year,

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Speaker 9: and the way to get the biggest possible bounce in

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Speaker 9: jobs is to cut those rates. Small business will lead

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Speaker 9: hiring as it has historically.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the majority of businesses anyway in this

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Speaker 2: country are small businesses. It's the business that you pass

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Speaker 2: on main Street on your way to the big box centers. Absolutely,

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Speaker 2: but there is Dan Varney is our Gas Economic Strategists

838
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Speaker 2: now founder and CEO of Potomac Core Potomac Core Strategy

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Speaker 2: Planning firm. Here's the one thing, and I don't want

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Speaker 2: to harp on these numbers too much, but in December,

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Speaker 2: most of the gains were in food service, healthcare, social assistance,

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Speaker 2: and the losses were in not only detail trade, but manufacturing.

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Speaker 2: And we got to get back in this country to

844
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Speaker 2: making things we had. That's that is the gut of

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Speaker 2: our economy, and it just seems like that's been a problem,

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Speaker 2: not just with this current administration but the last couple

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Speaker 2: of people that have been in the White House.

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Speaker 3: We got to make things again in this country.

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Speaker 5: So you're absolutely right.

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Speaker 9: Manufacturing jobs serve as a like whenever they create a job,

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Speaker 9: they create two or three jobs, and the manufacturing job

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Speaker 9: two or three new jobs are created in the service sector.

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Speaker 9: What I like about the Big Beautiful Law, Ken is

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Speaker 9: that it has the intention and the pieces to a

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Speaker 9: puzzle that reindustrialize the US economy.

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Speaker 5: And that's what that expensing in plants and equipment is

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Speaker 5: all about.

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Speaker 9: I did a look back on the Reagan tax cuts,

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Speaker 9: and I compare them to the Big Beautiful Law, and

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Speaker 9: I'm telling you that they are far more geared to

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Speaker 9: getting the manufacturing economy going a lot faster than even

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Speaker 9: the Reagan tax cuts did. And the Reagan tax cuts

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Speaker 9: were amazing, but they were for manufacturing. They came in

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Speaker 9: over and they were phased in over three years. These

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Speaker 9: come in as a first year investment. So now I'm

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Speaker 9: going to tell you why I'm excited about this. So

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Speaker 9: I worked for Nut Gingrich a couple of years back

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Speaker 9: in twenty nine and ten. And when I first went

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Speaker 9: to work for him, came into my office and I

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Speaker 9: had a big whiteboard in front of me, and he said, so,

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Speaker 9: we're going to write a tax plan for small business today.

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Speaker 5: And I said, and he and I argued the.

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Speaker 9: Reagan accelerated appreciation versus the one hundred percent expensing, And

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Speaker 9: he said to me, Dan, if you really want to

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Speaker 9: get jobs growing again at a substantial level, it's the

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Speaker 9: one hundred percent expensing first year right off. People will invest,

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Speaker 9: they will buy, and it will create jobs throughout the economy.

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Speaker 9: So when this was included by by the President and

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Speaker 9: by Treasury Secretary Bessant, I was overjoyed because I learned

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Speaker 9: over a decade ago this is a way to really

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Speaker 9: grow jobs.

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Speaker 2: Well, I share your optimism about twenty twenty six, and

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Speaker 2: I hope it reaches down to all levels of the

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Speaker 2: various age groups that we have, particularly the younger group

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Speaker 2: gen Z, because I think there it's vital that they

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Speaker 2: have a chance to get out of the gate in

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Speaker 2: a strong manner. And I think it's vital if you're

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Speaker 2: the Trump administration that that happens if you indeed want

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Speaker 2: to keep what he has got going now is going

890
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Speaker 2: past when his term is up. But Dan Varney, our

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Speaker 2: time is up. Tom mccore dot com is where you

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Speaker 2: can find him. And as always, Dan, we we thank

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Speaker 2: you for your time. Stay well and you know we'll

894
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Speaker 2: be calling again.

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Speaker 5: Thank you. Look forward to it.

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Speaker 2: Dan Varney, coming up on one twenty four on this

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Speaker 2: Saturday afternoon Radio seven hundred WLW one thirty seven News

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Speaker 2: Radio seven hundred WLW. Welcome back, I am ken Brew

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Speaker 2: as we cruise to use Xavier basketball at three thirty

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Speaker 2: this afternoon, Joe and Byron all the play by play

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Speaker 2: and then the tip at four between Xavier and Prominence.

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Speaker 2: Xavier and Prominence at the Cinta Center right here on

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Speaker 2: seven hundred WYLW. Down the road, Rebecca Downs the Daily Signal. Okay,

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Speaker 2: Vivek has made his choice for his running mate. Was

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00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 2: it a bone to Governor Dwine? And what about David

906
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 2: Pepper running with Amy Acton? Does that really help the ticket?

907
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Speaker 2: We'll get into that with miss Downs from the Daily

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Speaker 2: Signal at.

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Speaker 3: Two six today.

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Speaker 2: Twenty twenty five, it was just a horrible year for

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00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 2: the restaurant Cracker Barrel. We all know what happened with

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00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 2: Cracker Barrel in twenty twenty five. They brought in some

913
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,760
Speaker 2: woman who thought she was going to turn that restaurant

914
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Speaker 2: chain on its head, and instead she.

915
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 3: Took the thing off a cliff.

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00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 2: It crashed and burned, and all of a sudden, the

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00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 2: changes that Cracker Barrel made, well some of them were

918
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Speaker 2: completely undone. I don't know if that woman still works

919
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 2: for Cracker Barrel or not. Her name is Julie Fel's Messino.

920
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 2: She and the consulting firm profit were the ones that

921
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,359
Speaker 2: thought they had all the answers, and it turns out

922
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Speaker 2: they didn't even know what the questions were.

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Speaker 3: Nevertheless, Cracker Barrel did not get all of the things

924
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 3: undone until this past week. This past week, I said,

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Speaker 3: you went to Cracker Barrel this past week. You know

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Speaker 3: this already.

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Speaker 2: But if he did not, two of their great comfort

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Speaker 2: food menu items were back on the menu. Hamburger steak

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Speaker 2: and eggs in the basket, both comfort food staples of

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Speaker 2: Cracker Barrel, and the dining public loved them.

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Speaker 3: But the the.

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Speaker 2: Brains of Cracker Barrel decided, well, you know, that is

933
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Speaker 2: so old fashioned. I mean, hamburger steak had been on

934
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Speaker 2: the menu since Cracker Barrel opened back in I think

935
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Speaker 2: it was nineteen sixty eight sixty nine. And eggs in

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Speaker 2: a basket is basically an egg inside a piece of bread.

937
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 2: I mean, how difficult can that be to make? And

938
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Speaker 2: why was it gone? Along with Grandpa whatever he was?

939
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Speaker 2: On the logo and the redesign of all these restaurants

940
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Speaker 2: makes you wonder, makes my next guest wonder just how

941
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Speaker 2: long it's going to take for this chain to get

942
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Speaker 2: back on its feet. I mean, the stock traded at

943
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Speaker 2: sixty dollars a share before all those changes last week

944
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Speaker 2: had closed it under twenty eight dollars a share. That's

945
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Speaker 2: not exactly driving business. And kJ Blattenbauer knows it, you're saying, Ken,

946
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 2: who is kJ Blattenbauer. Well, kJ is a public relations expert.

947
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 2: She has three decades of experience helping customers and companies

948
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Speaker 2: interact their stories. And she's got a new book that's

949
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Speaker 2: about to come out. We'll talk all about that next,

950
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Speaker 2: but for the moment, kJ Blattenberg, how are you on

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Speaker 2: this glorious Saturday.

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Speaker 8: I'm fantastic. Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad you're here.

954
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Speaker 2: Look, the worst thing about a mistake is if you

955
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Speaker 2: don't correct it. And Cracker Barrel has gone. I think

956
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Speaker 2: a long way in correcting the mistakes that were made

957
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Speaker 2: by CEO Julie fels Messino. She was working with a

958
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Speaker 2: PR company, I think the name of it was Profit,

959
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Speaker 2: and between the two of them, they came up with

960
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Speaker 2: this logo makeover and restaurant makeover and menu you make over,

961
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Speaker 2: and in doing so, they completely alienated their base and

962
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Speaker 2: it turned into a pr nightmare. Looking back, obviously that

963
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Speaker 2: was a bad move on Cracker Barrel's part to partner

964
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Speaker 2: with these people. But I think you got to give

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Speaker 2: Cracker Barrel credit because of the things they've done in

966
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Speaker 2: the wake of that disaster.

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Speaker 3: I give them credit. Would you.

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Speaker 2: Would?

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Speaker 8: I would give I would definitely give them credit. You know,

970
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 8: they didn't fail because they changed. They failed because they

971
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Speaker 8: changed about clearly protecting the emotional contract that they have

972
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Speaker 8: with their customers. People didn't go to Cracker Barrel for

973
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 8: the novelty of it. They went for familiarity, and when

974
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Speaker 8: you disrupt that without explanation, you don't get innovation points.

975
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 8: You get backlash. But after receiving backlash, they have at

976
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Speaker 8: least been smart enough to finally course correct. It might

977
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Speaker 8: have taken them longer than customers wanted then the stock

978
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Speaker 8: prices wanted, but they're getting there. They're making the right adjustment.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: The problem that I have with that particular episode in

981
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Speaker 2: Cracker Barrel's existence is the warning signs are all over,

982
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 2: aren't they. I mean, we had new Coke Old Coke

983
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 2: back in the eighties. We had the bud Light disaster

984
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 2: with Dylan mulvaney a couple of years ago, and I

985
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 2: think when you alienate your base to try and grab

986
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 2: something that is out there that may or may not

987
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 2: gravitate towards you, invariably, it's going to lead to, I think,

988
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 2: just devastation, because if the base isn't with you, it

989
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 2: doesn't matter who you bring in that's new. You've lost

990
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 2: what made you so special. Why don't companies understand that?

991
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 5: You know?

992
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 8: I think companies kind of lose sight. With the new

993
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 8: Coke comparison, You're right on target. Right, Coke tried to

994
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 8: replace an icon. Cracker Barrel temporarily tried to obscure its identity,

995
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 8: and you know, without leadership willing to admit it, you

996
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 8: can't replace your identity. Cracker Barrel briefly forgot what business

997
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 8: it was really in. People want to be with brands

998
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 8: they like, they know, they're familiar with, they trust, and

999
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 8: when you disrupt that emotional contract without clearly protecting it,

1000
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 8: customers are going to drift anywhere else where they feel

1001
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Speaker 8: their values are being met.

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Speaker 2: Now, I don't know how this works you know far

1003
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 2: better than I. But I would bet that the CEO

1004
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 2: that was behind the change in Cracker Barrel a year ago,

1005
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:44,959
Speaker 2: this Julie Fells Messino character. I would bet she got

1006
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 2: the ear of certain people on the board, but not

1007
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 2: everybody on the board, and so she thought she probably

1008
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 2: had enough of a goal to do what she did

1009
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 2: or her team did.

1010
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Speaker 3: And I think.

1011
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 2: Dealing with these large corporations, you're dealing with a lot

1012
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 2: of different people on the board, a lot of personalities,

1013
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 2: and in a sense, you're dealing with their families, their

1014
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 2: spouses and whatnot. How tricky a road is that to

1015
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 2: navigate when you know you don't have everybody, but you

1016
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 2: just have a few people that are saying, okay, we

1017
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 2: control the purse springs, go ahead.

1018
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 8: Oh, It's incredibly tricky.

1019
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 5: Right.

1020
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 8: First of all, markets hate uncertainty, especially when a legacy

1021
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 8: brand is sending mixed signals, and that's all Cracker Barrel

1022
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 8: has been doing for months. I think the bigger issue

1023
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 8: for them is that leadership as a whole altogether. Everyone

1024
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 8: in the room needs to understand brand trust is a

1025
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 8: long term asset and it's not something that you can

1026
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 8: experiment with lately, which is what they have tried to do.

1027
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 8: The takeaway for companies big and small everywhere, I think

1028
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:47,240
Speaker 8: is simple, as a result of watching Cracker Barrel, innovation

1029
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 8: doesn't mean abandoning what made you beloved. The smartest brands

1030
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 8: are going to evolve around their core identity, not away

1031
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 8: from it. When you protect what you're known for, when

1032
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 8: you protect what people trust in you, customers are going

1033
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 8: to follow you for no matter where you go.

1034
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Speaker 3: Yeah, have you ever been to a cracker barrel? Have

1035
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 3: you ever eaten a one.

1036
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 8: All the time? All the time.

1037
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 2: I mean the food is not great. I think you

1038
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 2: go for the atmosphere and the comfort, and you go

1039
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 2: there because you can. If you if you have kids,

1040
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 2: or if you got mom or dad or whatever, you

1041
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 2: can you can go there and get a decent meal

1042
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 2: for a really affordable price. And things like Hamburger steak

1043
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 2: which came back on the menu this week, and eggs

1044
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 2: in the basket came back on the menu. None of

1045
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 2: that stuff is what I would call food that's going

1046
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 2: to make it happy. But it's comfort food, and I

1047
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 2: think I think they just completely upended the comfort of

1048
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 2: their clients. So yeah, I could see where this would

1049
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:43,439
Speaker 2: would be a major problem, and they lost a hell

1050
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:44,920
Speaker 2: of a lot of money in doing it. I mean,

1051
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 2: my gosh, can you imagine working for a company and

1052
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 2: you go to somebody on the board and say, hey,

1053
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 2: you know that my idea didn't didn't go so well,

1054
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 2: and you know we're out seven billion dollars. I mean,

1055
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 2: what reaction would you expect if you had to go

1056
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 2: tell somebody.

1057
01:00:59,920 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 8: Like that, Well, they wouldn't let me in the building.

1058
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Speaker 8: I don't think that. I don't think i'd be employed.

1059
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Speaker 8: I don't think i'd be employed there any longer.

1060
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Speaker 2: Well, let's say you do contract. This is hypothetical. Let's

1061
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 2: say your company is Heresay PR Right, I love that name.

1062
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 2: Here's a PR I loved it. So let's say that

1063
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:21,919
Speaker 2: Cracker Barrel came to you a year and a half,

1064
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 2: two years ago, and I said, look, we feel that

1065
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 2: we've gotten kind of stale. Our growth isn't where it

1066
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 2: should be. We're afraid we may lose complete traction inside

1067
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 2: the food industry if we don't do a few things

1068
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 2: to you know, freshen up our approach. You've eaten there,

1069
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 2: so your customer, you know what those restaurants are like.

1070
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 2: What would you have said to somebody that came to

1071
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 2: you from that company, if indeed they came to you

1072
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 2: and contracted.

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Speaker 8: With you, well, I think the first thing is looking

1074
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 8: at who the customers are. I would encourage them to

1075
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 8: have gotten with customers from the beginning, done some focus groups,

1076
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 8: done more research, because strong brands don't ignore feedback when

1077
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 8: it's loud, consistent, and values based, and Cracker Barrel has

1078
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 8: that customer base. Their voices are angry and we're hearing

1079
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 8: about it because the customers are mad, they're moving away

1080
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Speaker 8: from why they trusted Cracker Barrel, and so I think

1081
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 8: the brand protection they should have started with from the

1082
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Speaker 8: beginning is Okay, we need to evolve. Here's the ways

1083
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 8: we need to evolve in these areas. Let's talk to

1084
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 8: our customers about the changes we can make or we

1085
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 8: shouldn't be making in order to move ourselves forward and

1086
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Speaker 8: the best way possible for our brand, but also for

1087
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Speaker 8: the people who make our brand possible. Pay our bills

1088
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Speaker 8: and keep the lights on.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's empowerment, right, You're empowering the people that use

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Speaker 2: your restaurant. I think a lot of times these places think, well,

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Speaker 2: it's our menu, it's my money. I've invested into this business,

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Speaker 2: and by god, you're going to get what I serve you.

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Speaker 2: But all it takes is just a little time on

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Speaker 2: task and a little bit of that research. They would

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Speaker 2: have been better if they had their store manager just

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Speaker 2: go I don't how many stores they have, but the

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Speaker 2: store manager in each one of their stores just work

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Speaker 2: the room and then report back to whomever he reports

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Speaker 2: back to. And I'm sure that person re spports back corporate.

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Speaker 2: But just work the room a little bit in these

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Speaker 2: places and maybe you will get a better idea of

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Speaker 2: where you should take your business. I think a lot

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Speaker 2: of it is just time on task. Basically, what about you?

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Speaker 8: I have to agree with you. I think it also

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Speaker 8: has created a discussion around rebranding for a company, and

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Speaker 8: I think it's important to note that rebrands aren't risky

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Speaker 8: by default. Rebrands that ignore emotional loyalty like Cracker Barrel did. Now,

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Speaker 8: that is the problem. The rebrand for Cracker Barrel didn't

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Speaker 8: fail because people hate change. It failed because the brand

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Speaker 8: forgot who the change is for the people. And so

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Speaker 8: you've built your you built your business for a certain

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Speaker 8: customer base, or you've attracted a certain customer base and

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Speaker 8: any change you make moving forward, you have to take

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Speaker 8: those people and their emotional stake in your brand in

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Speaker 8: your company when you adapt moving forward.

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Speaker 3: But like Coke, and like Dylan Molvaney and l like

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Speaker 3: Cracker Barrel, you know there's going to be somebody at

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Speaker 3: a corporate office that does something stupid that affects.

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Speaker 2: Their restaurant or whatever. I mean, it's just it's almost

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Speaker 2: built into our economy. Right, somebody's going to do something

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Speaker 2: stupid in a year or two. Right, maybe then they'll

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Speaker 2: call here, say.

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Speaker 8: Pr here's helping, and then they can avoid any problem.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go. What's your book all about, Pitchworthy,

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Speaker 2: Tell me about that.

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Speaker 8: My book is for small business owners and solopreneurs who

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Speaker 8: are looking to use public relations to help move their

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Speaker 8: business forward. It gives them the basic steps and tips

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Speaker 8: that they can do to put themselves out there and

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Speaker 8: get their brand known without paying a high cost for

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Speaker 8: a public a publicist or a public relations agency.

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Speaker 2: Do you believe in advertising? I mean, I know a

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Speaker 2: lot of people right now, or they'll open a place

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Speaker 2: I could name you five here in the greater Cincinnati area.

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Speaker 2: In the last year they open, they think, well, I'm

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Speaker 2: on Facebook, and I've got a website and all this,

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01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:47,440
Speaker 2: and I'm thinking to myself, well, maybe you need to,

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Speaker 2: you know, just go into a bigger tent than all

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Speaker 2: of that.

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Speaker 3: But so do you. Are you someone who believes in

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Speaker 3: the power of advertising?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 8: I believe in the power of advertising, and I love

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Speaker 8: the power of public relations because it's free advertising. I

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01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 8: think when you create a business, you open a business. Yes,

1146
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:04,440
Speaker 8: you build the website, but just because you build it,

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Speaker 8: it doesn't mean they'll come. I think advertising, marketing, public relations,

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01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 8: it has to be front of funnel. No one can

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Speaker 8: fund you, hire you, or visit your establishment if they

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Speaker 8: don't know you exist, right.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, particularly if you're in the service industry, and it

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01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 2: may be something else for different businesses. Business to business

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Speaker 2: certainly is different. But I often wondered about that because

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of businesses fail. And I know

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Speaker 2: we're off on a tangent here, just a little bit

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Speaker 2: from cracker barrel, but I think a lot of businesses

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Speaker 2: fail simply because they don't want to spend the money

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Speaker 2: to get the word out. The person that owns the

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01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 2: company or the business will throw everything into the business

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Speaker 2: and then wonder why nobody shows up, and I guess

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Speaker 2: this is in your book. There's so many easy ways

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Speaker 2: to just get your product your service in front of people.

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Speaker 2: Got to be creative, but I think eventually you got

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Speaker 2: to tell more people about it than just the people

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Speaker 2: that are already in the tent. But that's maybe that's

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Speaker 2: why while I never considered PR, maybe I should have

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01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 2: done that. It might have been a more stable business.

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Speaker 2: Who knows, who knows? All right, how do people find

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01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 2: your business? HERESAYPR? I'm guessing it's heresapr dot com. And

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Speaker 2: when they go there, what do they find? Besides I'm

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01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:13,240
Speaker 2: sure a real nice picture of view and.

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Speaker 8: Testimonials, they're going to find EASYPR tip. They're going to

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Speaker 8: find a way to grab my book. But they're also

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01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:22,480
Speaker 8: going to learn simple and free steps that they can

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Speaker 8: use to promote their business, product or service.

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Speaker 3: Simple and free. I like that. Yeah, I like that

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Speaker 3: all right.

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Speaker 2: So what's your outlook for Cracker Barrel in the next

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Speaker 2: six to nine months. Are they back completely on their

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Speaker 2: feed or do you think it's still going to be

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Speaker 2: a little bit of a struggle.

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Speaker 8: I think it's going to be a little bit of

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Speaker 8: a struggle for them, But I think they're moving things

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Speaker 8: forward in the right way. They're finally starting to listen

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Speaker 8: to people, and I think they're finally starting to see

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Speaker 8: a few customers come back around when they start moving forward,

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Speaker 8: bringing back what people are familiar with and they trust,

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Speaker 8: and customers see that rolling out their course correcting is

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Speaker 8: going to be They're going to be perfectly fine.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's good because come Monday, I'm going to go

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Speaker 2: to Cracker Bureau for that meal over two for nineteen

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Speaker 2: ninety nine.

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Speaker 3: That sounds like a deal.

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Speaker 2: kJ Blatinbauer PR Expert Pitchworthy is her book. It will

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Speaker 2: be released soon. You can find her at hearsaypr dot com. Okay, kJ,

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Speaker 2: thanks for your time, stay well and hopefully we can

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Speaker 2: do this again.

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Speaker 8: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Seven hundred million dollars is what the company Cracker Barrel

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Speaker 2: spent on the rebrand that lasted all to two weeks.

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Speaker 2: Seven hundred million dollars. But do a deeper dive. We

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01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:36,360
Speaker 2: don't know how much money it actually cost Cracker Barrel

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01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:43,240
Speaker 2: to emerge from that terrible business decision, but there are

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Speaker 2: reports that say they suffered significant losses two hundred and

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Speaker 2: fifty million dollars in stock value it's two hundred and

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Speaker 2: fifty million dollars on top of the seven hundred million

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Speaker 2: it's spent. So this this pr whiz that came in

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Speaker 2: the CEO and this group that she hired profit for

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Speaker 2: the rebrand Julie Fells Messino cost her company nine hundred

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Speaker 2: and fifty almost one billion dollars. We'll see if you're that,

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Speaker 2: We'll see if that particular Jim has passed on to

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Speaker 2: you the consumer. My guess is eventually it will be.

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Speaker 2: We're at one fifty three on this Saturday afternoon, still

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01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:34,800
Speaker 2: to come. The Ohio Governor's race is beginning to heat up,

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Speaker 2: even though we're still many months away from it. How

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01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:42,599
Speaker 2: much does David Pepper help Amy acton? And was the

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Speaker 2: only reason that Mike de Wine supports now Viveke Ramaswami

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Speaker 2: is because of whom Vivek has chosen for his running mate.

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Speaker 2: Rebecca Downs from the Daily Signal will join us for

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Speaker 2: that and then down the road. One man that has

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01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:03,679
Speaker 2: been with Elvis Presley, well, nobody's nobody's with Elvis right now.

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01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:06,439
Speaker 3: Unless you're in the ground. But one man who was

1224
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:10,840
Speaker 3: with Elvis Presley for a long long time is in

1225
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:15,760
Speaker 3: town tonight at the Elvis Tribute Spectaculars. We'll talk to

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Speaker 3: him and much more as we count down to Xavier

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Speaker 3: basketball on seven hundred w l W.

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Speaker 1: Now your host Ken Brew on News Radio seven hundred

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Speaker 1: WLW and out Amon We go right.

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Speaker 2: Till Xavior basketball today at three thirty Savior against Providence

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Speaker 2: at the Sintas Center. All the play by play with

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01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 2: Byron and Joe right here on seven hundred WLWD. Well,

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Speaker 2: this week, the Republican nominee for the governorship of Ohio,

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Speaker 2: Vivek Ramaswami, made his choice for his running mate, and

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Speaker 2: he selected Senate President Rob McCauley as his for a

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Speaker 2: lieutenant governor. I never heard of him either, and that's

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Speaker 2: probably more on me than anyone else. But as I

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01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 2: travel around Ohio, I'm sure you have to, it's amazing

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01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 2: to me how people who are not from Southwest Ohio

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01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:20,439
Speaker 2: pay attention to state politics, and we here in the

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01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:24,040
Speaker 2: great state of Cincinnati, both you and me and also

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01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:28,519
Speaker 2: the media here, pay anything but close attention to what

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Speaker 2: goes on in the state capitol. It's almost like you

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01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 2: really have to search for state politic news in the

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01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:39,519
Speaker 2: Inquirer or the local television stations, And I think it's

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Speaker 2: largely reflected on the fact that we look at Columbus,

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01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:45,519
Speaker 2: whether we're on one side of the political argument or

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01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:47,840
Speaker 2: the other, with a little bit of a jaundiced eye,

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01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:50,080
Speaker 2: and so we don't pay attention to it unless some

1250
01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:53,680
Speaker 2: scandal breaks out or there's a controversial bill, and then

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01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:55,840
Speaker 2: we want to know who voted for it. And even

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01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:58,480
Speaker 2: if we do that, we're surprised as to who represents

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01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:02,719
Speaker 2: us and who voted for it. But anyway, it's Senate

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01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:06,840
Speaker 2: President Rob McCauley, who's been around Ohio politics for a

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01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:12,760
Speaker 2: long time. He seems to be a well liked guy

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01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:17,760
Speaker 2: inside the GOP. I view this as a.

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Speaker 3: Guy that's with the I guess the old line GOP,

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01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 3: a guy that would be viewed as, you know, one

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Speaker 3: of the boys in Columbus.

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Speaker 2: And I view it as a bone that was thrown

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01:11:30,160 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 2: to Mike DeWine. Mike DeWine after this endorsed Vake Ramaswami.

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Speaker 2: Mike Dwine has always said I'm going to support the

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01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:44,280
Speaker 2: GOP candidate, except he wasn't all that closed is supporting

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01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:49,240
Speaker 2: the vike Ramaswami until this. So this obviously was a

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01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:54,360
Speaker 2: bone to the wine, and the Republicans want unity in

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Speaker 2: this state. The Republicans want unity everywhere, but they don't

1267
01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:01,840
Speaker 2: walk in lockstep like the Dems do. But this is

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01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:05,040
Speaker 2: one of those deals where it looks like, Okay, I'll

1269
01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:07,160
Speaker 2: throw the bone to the governor. We'll get the governor

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01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:10,120
Speaker 2: on board, and then everybody can sing Kumbaya right up

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Speaker 2: till election night this November.

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Speaker 3: Meanwhile, Amy Acton, the COVID queen.

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Speaker 2: You remember her from twenty twenty and her role in

1274
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:23,320
Speaker 2: shutting things down, and it really and truly got to

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01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:25,880
Speaker 2: a point where she had to leave because nobody could

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01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:29,400
Speaker 2: stand her. Now she's the dominee of the Democrat Party,

1277
01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:32,080
Speaker 2: or appears to be the nominee of the Democrat Party,

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01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:37,519
Speaker 2: and she selected David Pepper to run with her this year.

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01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:39,680
Speaker 2: David Pepper a name of great note here in the

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01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:43,960
Speaker 2: greater Cincinnati area. He seems to get swatted down a

1281
01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:48,880
Speaker 2: lot in statewide elections. He was successful locally here with

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01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:53,679
Speaker 2: local politics, son of the former CEO of Procter and Gamble.

1283
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:55,360
Speaker 2: But the fact of the matter is he's on the

1284
01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:59,040
Speaker 2: ticket now with Amy Acton. So how much does how

1285
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:02,240
Speaker 2: much does any this matter? This far out an endorsement

1286
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:04,800
Speaker 2: by the sitting governor who's not very popular and on

1287
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:08,040
Speaker 2: his way out, and the son of someone who was

1288
01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:11,560
Speaker 2: a big time, big city, big deal with Procter and

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01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:15,400
Speaker 2: Gamble helping the top of the ticket standing by the

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01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:18,960
Speaker 2: way in as someone who's wondering as well. Rebecca Downs

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01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:22,160
Speaker 2: writes and writes very well about Ohio politics for The

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01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:24,560
Speaker 2: Daily Signal, and I wanted to her take on this

1293
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:27,759
Speaker 2: as we're still a number of months out, but still

1294
01:13:28,360 --> 01:13:31,080
Speaker 2: things are beginning to come into focus for who is

1295
01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:34,320
Speaker 2: going to succeed the Wine as governor here in the

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01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:37,240
Speaker 2: state of Ohio. So, Rebecca Downs, how are you on

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01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:38,400
Speaker 2: this glorious Saturday.

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Speaker 8: I'm doing all right, Thanks so much for having me.

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Speaker 2: Now, I'm glad you're back here because it's been swirling

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Speaker 2: politically here in the great state of Ohio. And so

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Speaker 2: let's start at the top. But Viake Ramaswamy makes his

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Speaker 2: choice for his lieutenant governor. It's Senate President Rob McCauley.

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Speaker 2: So that's the ticket, Ramaswami and McCauley. It almost has

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Speaker 2: a little alliteration going there. What do you ask, what

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Speaker 2: do we know about Rob McCauley, Because quite Frankly, the

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Speaker 2: media down here doesn't cover Ohio's state politics all that well.

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Speaker 13: So I actually made the prediction that Ramasami was going

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Speaker 13: to pick Rob McCauley, especially because in part because I was,

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Speaker 13: I think he was the race the way there were

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Speaker 13: going to be other races.

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Speaker 8: Other potential picks are running for other slots. But he

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Speaker 8: seems to be really well liked.

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Speaker 13: He's a trusted conservatives but also an agreeable person in this.

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Speaker 13: Instead of people like him, they seem to get along

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Speaker 13: with him. He's young, but he's experienced. He also brings

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Speaker 13: the Ramasami campaign, and there's supporters making the case experience

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Speaker 13: in the in the sense that Ramaswami doesn't.

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Speaker 8: You know, Ramaswammi is open that he is not a politician.

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Speaker 2: No, I mean, that was the selling point for him

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Speaker 2: all along, even in the pres as an enter race

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Speaker 2: and whatnot. It seems to me, though, you know, Mike

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Speaker 2: de Wine had been sitting on the sidelines on this.

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Speaker 2: He said he would eventually you know, support the GOP nominee,

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Speaker 2: but he was kind of lukewarm in my opinion to Ramaswami.

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Speaker 2: So is this, I guess, a deference a little bit

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Speaker 2: of difference to Dwine from Ramaswami when he selects Rob McCauley.

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Speaker 2: McCauley is, you know, a very politically active and has

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Speaker 2: been in this state for a while, would seem to

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Speaker 2: be an ally of the wine. So did Ramaswami do

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Speaker 2: this to get the wine's blessing?

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Speaker 8: I think you could absolutely make that argument. But of

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Speaker 8: course I also think you could say, you know, two

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Speaker 8: things can.

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Speaker 13: Mature at once, that he does that he gets an

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Speaker 13: endorsement more willingly, more convincingly from Mike de Wine while

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Speaker 13: not sacrificing what he wants in a running name. What

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Speaker 13: you know, Republican voters, well, we'll see if stuff what

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Speaker 13: they want, you know, when they go to the polls,

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Speaker 13: and I may Republicans actually vote for Ramaswami and whatnot.

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Speaker 13: So I think you could absolutely make that case, including

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Speaker 13: you know, I think that based on my own understanding

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Speaker 13: of Ohio politics, but also you know, people people talk

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Speaker 13: about these things.

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Speaker 3: Sure, I mean a lot of the old guard GOP

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Speaker 3: in the state still like Mike Dwine. I think some

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Speaker 3: of the Neuvo Republicans, you know, the Maga crowd, I

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01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:23,799
Speaker 3: don't think they care for Dwine all that much.

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Speaker 8: And quite frankly, that not a polite way of putting it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I just I just don't since he

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Speaker 2: has the political clout inside the GOP that he once had,

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Speaker 2: I'm wondering what the endorsement of the wine really means

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01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:36,840
Speaker 2: in this race.

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Speaker 3: Does it mean anything?

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Speaker 8: I think it means I think it would almost mean

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Speaker 8: more if.

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Speaker 13: He completely quiet on it, or you know, he went

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Speaker 13: and endorsed any action. I think the left and their allies,

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Speaker 13: including in the mainstream media, would.

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Speaker 8: Make a ton out of it. And how could they not,

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Speaker 8: you know, that would.

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Speaker 13: Be pretty awkward. You know, Oh, the Republican governor is

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Speaker 13: not endorsing his heir apparents. I think that would I

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Speaker 13: think so. I think it shows even yet, even if

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Speaker 13: it means nothing, even if you know, like, oh, the

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Speaker 13: Republican endorsed the Republican.

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Speaker 8: Well there you go.

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Speaker 13: At least it keeps that narrative out that oh dyke,

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Speaker 13: you know, Republicans are at united, especially because speaking of unity,

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Speaker 13: that is the main scene that I've been hearing from

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Speaker 13: Ohio Republican Party Chairman Alex Chantefalo I went to an

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Speaker 13: event in September in Columbus where the bag. Gramaswammi and

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Speaker 13: Senator John Houston were endorsing each other, and the chairman

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Speaker 13: spoke before and he focused on unity and how much

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Speaker 13: the Ohio Republican Party is behind Ramaswami.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought it was wise for DeWine. Look, there's

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Speaker 2: one thing that every politician has, and that's an ego.

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01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:53,840
Speaker 2: Every politician has.

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Speaker 3: One, and maybe in the back of the politics, Yeah,

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01:17:56,520 --> 01:17:59,080
Speaker 3: maybe the back of DeWine's mind that there's a place

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Speaker 3: for him in party politics, maybe even in a grander

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Speaker 3: stage than in Ohio.

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Speaker 2: I doubt it, but maybe that's that's part of it.

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Speaker 2: He's playing this much better than John Kasch.

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Speaker 8: I think that guy's completely I was thinking of.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's completely alienated himself from the GOP and kind

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Speaker 2: of kind of looks foolish with some of the stuff

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Speaker 2: he's been doing. So I think I think that this

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Speaker 2: was probably a wise political move on de Wine's part.

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Speaker 2: If he had endorsed Amy Acton, he'd have been dead

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Speaker 2: in the water because he would never be embraced by Democrats.

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Speaker 2: Maybe he'd be embraced, as you said, by the media

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Speaker 2: for a hard minute, but by Democrats, he would never

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Speaker 2: be embraced and he'd be ostracized from the GOP.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, and that's exactly what John Keitha did. I'm sure

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Speaker 13: you and your listeners recall he was invited. I think

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Speaker 13: he did speak at the twenty twenty DNC. But then

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Speaker 13: Democrat voters were like, well, you don't like John Keisick.

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Speaker 8: He's a Republican. Why are you inviting this guy? So

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Speaker 8: a good example.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean these urinating contests that that the old

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Speaker 2: Reagan Republicans think that they've got with MAGA. It's like,

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Speaker 2: you know, Ronald Reagan, he was a great president. He

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Speaker 2: might have been the greatest president of my time. I

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Speaker 2: don't know for everything that he achieved, but he's not

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Speaker 2: coming back and I don't think that's coming back to

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Speaker 2: that party anytime soon, do you.

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Speaker 8: I don't.

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Speaker 13: I'm I'm tickled to hear how you think he's the

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Speaker 13: greatest president because I only wish I lived under Reagan.

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Speaker 8: But yes, you're in a different era. You're in a

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Speaker 8: completely different era. We you know, for better or worse, it's.

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Speaker 2: The drump era now, right, And to cling onto the

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01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:36,240
Speaker 2: past when no chance of it coming back is just

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Speaker 2: to me, it's just it's unrealistic.

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Speaker 3: It's like, it's right, it's like saying the Beatles are

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01:19:42,479 --> 01:19:43,960
Speaker 3: going to start touring next year.

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Speaker 2: It's they're not. They're not coming back. Let's talk about

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01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:51,800
Speaker 2: the other side of this ticket. Amy Acton and David Pepper.

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01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:54,080
Speaker 2: David Pepper is a well known Cincinnati and he's been

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Speaker 2: on city council. His dad was the CEO of P

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Speaker 2: and G. I mean, it's a it's a large name

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01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:04,719
Speaker 2: in Democrat politics. How much does David Pepper, in your opinion,

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Speaker 2: help Amy act.

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01:20:07,200 --> 01:20:10,840
Speaker 13: Oh I don't know if he will will help Amy

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01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:16,000
Speaker 13: action that much given his electoral history in other races.

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Speaker 13: Although a local Democrat, I'm friends, but there are a

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Speaker 13: few of them in my family.

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Speaker 8: Pointed out that he yep, oh, yeah.

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Speaker 13: He pointed out that he was a former DNC chair

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Speaker 13: And even if you're like, well, that record isn't that

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01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:35,760
Speaker 13: great when for Ohio, he does have the connection as

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Speaker 13: a former party chairman.

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Speaker 8: So my thinking is that well helped. But at the

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Speaker 8: same time, I was looking at his electoral history in

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Speaker 8: the same way.

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Speaker 13: I was actually looking at Jim wall Who's electoral history

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01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:51,920
Speaker 13: and how he got less and less vote each time

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Speaker 13: he ran for governor.

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Speaker 8: But I don't.

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Speaker 13: I don't know if she could have picked a stronger

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01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:01,880
Speaker 13: picking up barbeade from me to giv iiodemocrats advice. I

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01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:04,439
Speaker 13: just that really surprised me that that would be the

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01:21:04,520 --> 01:21:08,639
Speaker 13: pick she went with. And I have seen Republicans Ohio

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01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:12,439
Speaker 13: Republicans just mocking him from you know here to High

1445
01:21:12,479 --> 01:21:16,719
Speaker 13: Heaven David Pepper and Amy action for picking David Pepper.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, well, he got his clock cleaned by DeWine.

1447
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Speaker 2: I think it was in twenty fourteen for the uh

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Speaker 2: any attorney general, and then the host handled him fairly

1449
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:30,559
Speaker 2: well for that open seat when he ran for an auditor.

1450
01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:33,679
Speaker 2: But he was he was very active and successful around

1451
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:37,720
Speaker 2: here in local politics. Ran for mayor, did not get

1452
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:40,759
Speaker 2: did not get elected mayor. Mark Mallory won that election

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01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:43,840
Speaker 2: back in five. I'm just wondering about the strength of

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01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:47,679
Speaker 2: that ticket. She her political accuting, Yeah, their political accume

1455
01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:52,320
Speaker 2: basically began with when DeWine all but abdicated all of

1456
01:21:52,360 --> 01:21:56,840
Speaker 2: the responsibility to her during COVID, and I think she

1457
01:21:57,000 --> 01:22:00,160
Speaker 2: alienated most of the state. Now she's back as the

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Speaker 2: Democrat Darling. I just I can't what would her base

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01:22:04,280 --> 01:22:07,799
Speaker 2: be other than nobody wants the Vake Ramaswami as governor.

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01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:09,360
Speaker 2: What what would her base be?

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Speaker 13: That's a good question, you know, certainly if you don't want, well,

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Speaker 13: I don't want the Dake Grandma Swamy.

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Speaker 8: That crowd my other choice to ding the acting.

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Speaker 13: She seems like a nice lady in all honesty. Maybe

1465
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:27,200
Speaker 13: somebody's like, I really don't like Republicans. I don't know

1466
01:22:27,479 --> 01:22:29,960
Speaker 13: much about any action, but she's not the Dake Grandma

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01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:33,559
Speaker 13: Swamy or you know, I trust her as a doctor.

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01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:36,920
Speaker 13: I don't want to say that it would be uninformed

1469
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:39,479
Speaker 13: people voting for her, but but you know what I mean,

1470
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:43,679
Speaker 13: people who might not be so in the news about Okay,

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Speaker 13: she had her emergency power stripped away, which is actually

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Speaker 13: what Rob McCauley talked about on Wednesday night when he

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01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:51,480
Speaker 13: just estaped for that announcement.

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Speaker 8: He basically made his entire the premise of what he.

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Speaker 13: Was saying about how she was a quitter is not so,

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01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:03,960
Speaker 13: you know, I thought that was a very interesting take

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01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:04,559
Speaker 13: on his part.

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Speaker 2: Right, could be a theme throughout the campaign. We're chatting

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Speaker 2: with Rebecca Downs the Daily Signal. We're talking about Ohio politics.

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Speaker 2: You and I briefly touched on the Senate race John Houstead,

1481
01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:20,360
Speaker 2: who I'm sure is well known inside the GOP in Ohio.

1482
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:23,000
Speaker 2: Nobody seems to know who the hell he is outside that.

1483
01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:25,439
Speaker 2: I think the survey that we talked about forty percent

1484
01:23:25,479 --> 01:23:27,960
Speaker 2: of this the state does you know who he is?

1485
01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:31,840
Speaker 2: And so here he is in Washington, d C. Filling

1486
01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:35,200
Speaker 2: out the term of JD Vance and back in not

1487
01:23:35,320 --> 01:23:38,360
Speaker 2: a shame to cry, is shared Brown, and he's running

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01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:43,360
Speaker 2: against Houston. Let's just an update on that race. Brown

1489
01:23:43,560 --> 01:23:46,040
Speaker 2: was you know, he's been around as long as it

1490
01:23:46,120 --> 01:23:51,599
Speaker 2: seems like the capital has existed, and it was roundly

1491
01:23:51,760 --> 01:23:55,320
Speaker 2: defeated the last time out. What does he have in

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01:23:55,520 --> 01:23:58,280
Speaker 2: his favor going up against John Houston?

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01:24:00,479 --> 01:24:00,799
Speaker 8: Shared?

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01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:03,720
Speaker 13: Brown is a well known name in Ohio politics also

1495
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:06,240
Speaker 13: outside of Ohio, So you know that could help with

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01:24:06,680 --> 01:24:09,240
Speaker 13: out of state donations, which I always have a take

1497
01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:11,680
Speaker 13: on is like, Okay, these people can give money, but

1498
01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:14,320
Speaker 13: they can't actually vote here in Ohio. So let's see

1499
01:24:14,360 --> 01:24:19,120
Speaker 13: how that translates. He John Hoaston would say to that

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01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:21,840
Speaker 13: in response to, oh, he's well known, is John Houston

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01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:25,040
Speaker 13: said out a pre press conference I was at last month, Well,

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01:24:25,439 --> 01:24:27,360
Speaker 13: you know along the lines of well, he doesn't really

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01:24:27,479 --> 01:24:31,000
Speaker 13: he John Houston doesn't really want to be associated with

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01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:33,280
Speaker 13: oh He's well known in the sunset.

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01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:38,759
Speaker 8: People really don't like Washington, DC politics. And John Houston

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01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:40,680
Speaker 8: is an Ohio guy. He told me right, He's calls

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01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:42,599
Speaker 8: all those statewide roles.

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01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:47,799
Speaker 13: So he has the support of I mean, Chuck Schumer

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01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:49,479
Speaker 13: really recruited him.

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01:24:49,479 --> 01:24:50,280
Speaker 3: Of course, Chuck.

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Speaker 13: Schumer has his own problems, but he's not even up

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Speaker 13: for re elections this cycle. But the Democrats seem to

1513
01:24:56,360 --> 01:24:58,840
Speaker 13: like and he also has done well in the past

1514
01:24:58,920 --> 01:25:02,600
Speaker 13: with independence so called moderates because he's considered a so

1515
01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:06,280
Speaker 13: called moderate. I think it's I think John eastid has

1516
01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:09,360
Speaker 13: a good chance. But I think it's really going to

1517
01:25:09,400 --> 01:25:12,320
Speaker 13: be a race to watch. And if John east is losing,

1518
01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:14,960
Speaker 13: I think that's going to be a bell lother.

1519
01:25:14,880 --> 01:25:16,760
Speaker 8: For how the rest of it night is going to go. Yeah,

1520
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:19,680
Speaker 8: you know Republicans overall nationwide.

1521
01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:24,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's incumbent. If Trump really wants to

1522
01:25:24,040 --> 01:25:26,760
Speaker 2: get involved in this election here in Ohio, and well,

1523
01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:29,599
Speaker 2: I guess is why wouldn't he be, But he's got

1524
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:32,479
Speaker 2: to get together with Thune Trump does and figure out

1525
01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:38,559
Speaker 2: a way to boost John Houston's reckon just his status

1526
01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:40,840
Speaker 2: in the state and forty. I saw this pole a

1527
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:44,760
Speaker 2: month ago. People don't know who he is. That's good,

1528
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:47,760
Speaker 2: I guess, whatever picture you want to yourself. But it's

1529
01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:50,040
Speaker 2: also pretty darn bad for a guy that's been in

1530
01:25:50,120 --> 01:25:53,080
Speaker 2: a while politics forever. So I think he has to

1531
01:25:53,160 --> 01:25:55,600
Speaker 2: boost his visibility in Washington, don't you.

1532
01:25:57,120 --> 01:25:59,599
Speaker 13: Absolutely Trump did offer an endorsement.

1533
01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:01,160
Speaker 8: I believe Jady Vance did as well.

1534
01:26:01,240 --> 01:26:03,880
Speaker 13: If you said, campaign is certainly speaking to that and

1535
01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:08,120
Speaker 13: promoting that, but he's just, you know, there's not You

1536
01:26:08,240 --> 01:26:11,960
Speaker 13: have some quieter senators and some more in your faith senators,

1537
01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:14,040
Speaker 13: and it's okay to be a quiet senator in a

1538
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:14,719
Speaker 13: lot of ways.

1539
01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:15,280
Speaker 8: Get a lot done.

1540
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:18,720
Speaker 13: But it will it does present again, the campaign would

1541
01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:23,040
Speaker 13: call it an opportunity. That's definitely an opportunity. We'll see

1542
01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:24,519
Speaker 13: if they're going to see that. We're now in the

1543
01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:28,040
Speaker 13: new year, so let's see. Let's see how that will

1544
01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:31,160
Speaker 13: turn out, especially if they're going to maybe have campaign

1545
01:26:31,200 --> 01:26:35,680
Speaker 13: events together. He said of Gramaswami, my understanding and conversations

1546
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:40,400
Speaker 13: I've had that's been at least implied that the ticket

1547
01:26:40,520 --> 01:26:42,479
Speaker 13: is going to kind of help each other out, and

1548
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:43,920
Speaker 13: we'll see where that goes.

1549
01:26:44,680 --> 01:26:47,960
Speaker 2: All under the purview of another Cincinnati guy, Alex Treantapila,

1550
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:51,160
Speaker 2: who is the Ohio Republican Party chairman. It's amazing, Rebecca,

1551
01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:53,960
Speaker 2: how all things filter back to Cincinnati. Doesn't know what

1552
01:26:54,040 --> 01:26:58,719
Speaker 2: you're talking about. Whether it's politics, sports, medicine, international affairs,

1553
01:26:58,760 --> 01:27:02,160
Speaker 2: everything seems to filter back to Cincinnati. Rebecca down, Yeah,

1554
01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:06,840
Speaker 2: the daily Yes, yes, you for your time today. Keep

1555
01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:08,320
Speaker 2: up the good work and we'll be in touch.

1556
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:11,960
Speaker 8: Thanks, thank you. Have a great weekend, you too, you.

1557
01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:13,920
Speaker 3: Too, We'll see. I don't know.

1558
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:17,320
Speaker 2: We got a long way to go before election, before

1559
01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:20,400
Speaker 2: the gubernatorial election in November. I don't know how much

1560
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:23,759
Speaker 2: McCaulay helps with the general electorate. I certainly did inside

1561
01:27:23,800 --> 01:27:26,360
Speaker 2: his own party. And I have no idea about David Pepper.

1562
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:29,000
Speaker 2: I just I just think the top of that ticket

1563
01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:31,600
Speaker 2: when you when you just peel it away is I

1564
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:35,040
Speaker 2: just think she's she's very unpopular, and whether or not

1565
01:27:35,439 --> 01:27:37,880
Speaker 2: she actually winds up with a nomination, it would appear

1566
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:38,360
Speaker 2: she would.

1567
01:27:39,520 --> 01:27:42,920
Speaker 3: I don't know what kind of I don't know what kind.

1568
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:47,160
Speaker 2: Of traction she's got from an electric stamp, an electoric standpoint.

1569
01:27:47,560 --> 01:27:50,320
Speaker 2: Find out, that's why they play the games, right, coming

1570
01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:53,880
Speaker 2: up on two twenty seven, News Radio seven hundred WLW.

1571
01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:06,360
Speaker 1: Now your host Ken Brew on news Radio seven hundred WLW.

1572
01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:10,000
Speaker 3: Hey, we've got a little bonus coverage today, normally done three,

1573
01:28:10,120 --> 01:28:13,160
Speaker 3: taking it right up to three thirty. In Xavier basketball

1574
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:17,200
Speaker 3: against Providence, Xavier struggling. They've lost three in a row.

1575
01:28:17,240 --> 01:28:21,000
Speaker 2: They've only won twice since defeating the University of Cincinnati

1576
01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:22,920
Speaker 2: and the Crosstown shootout. Of course, they had that long

1577
01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:27,360
Speaker 2: break in December. But nevertheless, on whard they pressed today

1578
01:28:27,400 --> 01:28:31,840
Speaker 2: against Providence. There was a poll that was out latter

1579
01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:35,160
Speaker 2: part of twenty twenty five, and it caught my eye

1580
01:28:35,240 --> 01:28:37,000
Speaker 2: because I think it speaks to what a lot of

1581
01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:39,479
Speaker 2: what we speak about here on this show and certainly

1582
01:28:39,520 --> 01:28:43,320
Speaker 2: other shows on seven hundred a WLW was conducted by

1583
01:28:43,320 --> 01:28:44,960
Speaker 2: the New York Times in Ceno.

1584
01:28:45,120 --> 01:28:49,400
Speaker 3: Sienna is a university. Liberal university.

1585
01:28:49,439 --> 01:28:52,240
Speaker 2: I don't trust polling that's conducted in any way, shape

1586
01:28:52,280 --> 01:28:55,960
Speaker 2: or form by any university that's not to run down

1587
01:28:56,120 --> 01:28:59,479
Speaker 2: universities per se. I just don't think that polling in

1588
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:03,479
Speaker 2: general has a very good track record, and then when

1589
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:06,479
Speaker 2: you combine it with universities, it seems to get worse.

1590
01:29:06,520 --> 01:29:10,800
Speaker 2: But nevertheless, I did find this interesting. Many of us,

1591
01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:14,679
Speaker 2: you and me, believe that America is too politically divided. Duh,

1592
01:29:15,120 --> 01:29:18,519
Speaker 2: of course it is, though some of the polling that

1593
01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:21,639
Speaker 2: was done in there leads one to believe that maybe

1594
01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:26,280
Speaker 2: we're not salvageable as a society when it comes to politics.

1595
01:29:26,920 --> 01:29:31,280
Speaker 2: Sixty four percent of registered voters think the country's sharp

1596
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:34,920
Speaker 2: divisions cannot solve political problems, and one third of us

1597
01:29:34,960 --> 01:29:39,040
Speaker 2: say the political system still has merit and we can

1598
01:29:39,160 --> 01:29:41,880
Speaker 2: get to the bottom of what's wrong. Now that's a

1599
01:29:41,960 --> 01:29:44,080
Speaker 2: huge jump from the last time this poll was done

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01:29:44,080 --> 01:29:46,559
Speaker 2: about five years ago. Forty two percent of the country

1601
01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:49,360
Speaker 2: Back then thought the nation was too divided to solve

1602
01:29:49,439 --> 01:29:52,000
Speaker 2: its problems. Fifty one percent said the country could still

1603
01:29:52,040 --> 01:29:55,519
Speaker 2: do it. Now it's at sixty four registered voters who

1604
01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:59,120
Speaker 2: think the country is divided to a point where it's

1605
01:29:59,240 --> 01:30:03,920
Speaker 2: unsolvable unsalvagable, and thirty three percent say the system can

1606
01:30:04,840 --> 01:30:07,960
Speaker 2: address the problems. It just seems like this is getting

1607
01:30:08,120 --> 01:30:12,200
Speaker 2: worse and worse. So from time to time I am

1608
01:30:12,240 --> 01:30:14,080
Speaker 2: on a guy that I think is really interesting. I

1609
01:30:14,120 --> 01:30:16,880
Speaker 2: hope you find it this way too. His name is

1610
01:30:16,920 --> 01:30:20,240
Speaker 2: Peter Lemage. He is someone who came to this country,

1611
01:30:20,320 --> 01:30:26,559
Speaker 2: emigrated to this country legally. He was from Albania, which,

1612
01:30:26,640 --> 01:30:30,040
Speaker 2: as you know, is not a country that's very open minded,

1613
01:30:31,160 --> 01:30:33,799
Speaker 2: and he settled in Connecticut. He's run for political office

1614
01:30:33,880 --> 01:30:37,120
Speaker 2: up there in Connecticut and unsuccessfully on a number of times.

1615
01:30:37,160 --> 01:30:41,080
Speaker 2: He's running in twenty twenty six for the job of

1616
01:30:41,240 --> 01:30:45,400
Speaker 2: Secretary of State in the great state of Connecticut. But

1617
01:30:45,560 --> 01:30:47,719
Speaker 2: like I say, I value his opinion and I wanted

1618
01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:50,720
Speaker 2: to get his thoughts on this poll and whether or

1619
01:30:50,800 --> 01:30:54,920
Speaker 2: not our society as a whole when it comes to politics,

1620
01:30:56,240 --> 01:30:59,160
Speaker 2: is saveable, if not salvageable.

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01:31:00,120 --> 01:31:02,360
Speaker 3: So let's welcome in, Peter Lamage. Good to have you

1622
01:31:02,439 --> 01:31:04,240
Speaker 3: with us. How are I in this fine Saturday.

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01:31:05,280 --> 01:31:05,920
Speaker 4: I'm doing well.

1624
01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:06,800
Speaker 8: Thank you for having me.

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01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:08,639
Speaker 3: How you doing I'm doing well too.

1626
01:31:08,720 --> 01:31:11,200
Speaker 2: I'm glad that you're here, because, as you well know,

1627
01:31:11,360 --> 01:31:13,920
Speaker 2: we are a country that is at each other's throats.

1628
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:16,880
Speaker 2: And it's all because it seems like politics here. Now,

1629
01:31:16,920 --> 01:31:20,080
Speaker 2: a New New York Times siena pol that shows sixty

1630
01:31:20,200 --> 01:31:24,560
Speaker 2: four percent of us of voters now believe America is

1631
01:31:24,720 --> 01:31:28,280
Speaker 2: too divided to solve its problems. And this is a

1632
01:31:28,479 --> 01:31:31,360
Speaker 2: stunning drop and optimism compared to just a couple of

1633
01:31:31,479 --> 01:31:31,960
Speaker 2: years ago.

1634
01:31:32,600 --> 01:31:33,679
Speaker 3: Sixty four percent.

1635
01:31:33,880 --> 01:31:36,240
Speaker 2: Doctor, that's two and every three of us think this

1636
01:31:36,439 --> 01:31:38,200
Speaker 2: thing is hopeless here in this country.

1637
01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:41,519
Speaker 3: Please give us some hope and tell us why. Yet again,

1638
01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:42,960
Speaker 3: the New York Times may be wrong.

1639
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:46,560
Speaker 7: Look, I was reading the poll, but the pool. But

1640
01:31:46,840 --> 01:31:48,800
Speaker 7: you have to understand one thing. New York Times has

1641
01:31:48,960 --> 01:31:53,000
Speaker 7: not been doing justice to conducting these polls. And I

1642
01:31:53,040 --> 01:31:55,720
Speaker 7: would take that with a grain of salt when it

1643
01:31:55,800 --> 01:31:58,920
Speaker 7: comes to the American population. But for the fact with

1644
01:31:59,000 --> 01:32:01,439
Speaker 7: the American people, but for the fact that the media

1645
01:32:01,560 --> 01:32:06,120
Speaker 7: keeps on driving this divide between them, the academia, the politicians. Otherwise,

1646
01:32:06,160 --> 01:32:09,000
Speaker 7: American people ordinary posts like you and I. We wake

1647
01:32:09,080 --> 01:32:11,439
Speaker 7: up in the morning, we go to work, support our families.

1648
01:32:11,680 --> 01:32:15,160
Speaker 7: We don't think about disliking each other. Somehow, New York

1649
01:32:15,200 --> 01:32:18,040
Speaker 7: Times finding that people to come up with a fall

1650
01:32:18,120 --> 01:32:20,599
Speaker 7: that sixty four percent or sixty three to sixty four

1651
01:32:20,680 --> 01:32:25,880
Speaker 7: percent of the American people believe that America cannot resolve.

1652
01:32:25,479 --> 01:32:26,640
Speaker 8: Its own challenges.

1653
01:32:26,960 --> 01:32:29,439
Speaker 7: They forget the fact that we have faced greater challenges

1654
01:32:29,479 --> 01:32:32,200
Speaker 7: in the past. You can go back to eighteen sixty one,

1655
01:32:32,240 --> 01:32:34,240
Speaker 7: eighteen sixty five, will report a civil war.

1656
01:32:34,560 --> 01:32:35,960
Speaker 8: We have the civil rights.

1657
01:32:35,840 --> 01:32:39,599
Speaker 7: Movements, we have the ninety eleven attack. Somehow Americans find

1658
01:32:39,640 --> 01:32:43,200
Speaker 7: a way of uniting when it comes to Americanism. But

1659
01:32:43,520 --> 01:32:46,559
Speaker 7: New York Times, for whatever reason, you know, it's able

1660
01:32:46,720 --> 01:32:50,559
Speaker 7: to come up with these numbers. We still see people

1661
01:32:50,640 --> 01:32:53,360
Speaker 7: from all over the world wanting to come to the

1662
01:32:53,479 --> 01:32:57,600
Speaker 7: United States, both legally and illegally, because they see America

1663
01:32:57,880 --> 01:33:02,200
Speaker 7: as the exceptional nation that we are where people have

1664
01:33:02,320 --> 01:33:05,120
Speaker 7: the opportunity to live the American dream, to pursue the

1665
01:33:05,200 --> 01:33:08,519
Speaker 7: American dream. And every time that you have American born

1666
01:33:08,640 --> 01:33:13,640
Speaker 7: citizens trying to promote something that is not quite American.

1667
01:33:14,160 --> 01:33:17,240
Speaker 7: People like me who give the United States thirty six

1668
01:33:17,360 --> 01:33:20,680
Speaker 7: years ago so refugee, we really are battled by it

1669
01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:24,479
Speaker 7: that they think that we are just another country in

1670
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:28,240
Speaker 7: the world. America is that exceptional country that was founded

1671
01:33:28,280 --> 01:33:32,080
Speaker 7: by the founding fathers of this country, and it remains

1672
01:33:32,160 --> 01:33:35,000
Speaker 7: the strongest and the most prosperous and the greatest nation

1673
01:33:35,120 --> 01:33:37,120
Speaker 7: in the world. And I don't say that for you

1674
01:33:37,320 --> 01:33:39,320
Speaker 7: just because I live in the United States. It is

1675
01:33:39,800 --> 01:33:41,879
Speaker 7: the fact that when I compare it with the countries

1676
01:33:41,920 --> 01:33:43,920
Speaker 7: that I've visited, that I've seen, that I've lived in,

1677
01:33:44,800 --> 01:33:49,120
Speaker 7: it is just completely different from the rest of the world,

1678
01:33:49,320 --> 01:33:52,040
Speaker 7: and I think that we're maintaining that position. We're maintaining

1679
01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:54,400
Speaker 7: that of those standards, regardless of what The New York

1680
01:33:54,439 --> 01:33:55,920
Speaker 7: Times is reporting on that board.

1681
01:33:56,040 --> 01:33:59,599
Speaker 2: But you know, Peter is not just the Times. In April,

1682
01:33:59,680 --> 01:34:03,520
Speaker 2: there was a group called the Network Contagion Research Institute

1683
01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:06,960
Speaker 2: and Rutgers University sponsored this that had found that fifty

1684
01:34:07,120 --> 01:34:11,400
Speaker 2: five percent, fifty five percent of self identified left of

1685
01:34:11,479 --> 01:34:15,320
Speaker 2: center respondents said that it was at least somewhat justified

1686
01:34:15,800 --> 01:34:19,720
Speaker 2: to murder President Trump. In twenty seventeen, u goov, you know,

1687
01:34:19,840 --> 01:34:24,280
Speaker 2: the YouGov group, they were asked people, was it justified

1688
01:34:24,360 --> 01:34:28,880
Speaker 2: to advance political goals with violence? Eight percent said just

1689
01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:31,400
Speaker 2: a little bit justified. Well, they come back and they

1690
01:34:31,479 --> 01:34:34,760
Speaker 2: do that same poll again after Charlie Kirk was assassinated,

1691
01:34:35,120 --> 01:34:39,280
Speaker 2: eleven percent said violence can sometimes be justified to achieve

1692
01:34:39,360 --> 01:34:44,640
Speaker 2: political goals. Let's let's be honest here. The left of

1693
01:34:44,720 --> 01:34:47,920
Speaker 2: center group is a dangerous group right now. And I

1694
01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:51,519
Speaker 2: think if you're getting something like what Rutger's got, and

1695
01:34:51,600 --> 01:34:54,400
Speaker 2: it could quite possibly be an outlier. And I don't

1696
01:34:54,439 --> 01:34:57,000
Speaker 2: trust any kind of a polling. I think it is

1697
01:34:57,040 --> 01:35:00,880
Speaker 2: an outdated metric. But Nevertheless, I don't see how you

1698
01:35:01,000 --> 01:35:04,520
Speaker 2: come back from something like that. That's that's that's radicalism

1699
01:35:04,640 --> 01:35:06,080
Speaker 2: right there, your thoughts.

1700
01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:09,200
Speaker 7: No one can deny the fact that we have been,

1701
01:35:09,600 --> 01:35:12,040
Speaker 7: you know, the United States has been radicalized in a

1702
01:35:12,160 --> 01:35:15,040
Speaker 7: certain group of or a certain part of the population

1703
01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:15,880
Speaker 7: United States.

1704
01:35:16,200 --> 01:35:17,800
Speaker 8: One of the greatest mistakes.

1705
01:35:17,400 --> 01:35:19,599
Speaker 7: That we have been making in the last I would

1706
01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:22,320
Speaker 7: say forty fifty years is that we have been importing

1707
01:35:22,439 --> 01:35:24,680
Speaker 7: certain cultures in the United States that they are not

1708
01:35:24,840 --> 01:35:27,519
Speaker 7: compatible with our values and what we stand for.

1709
01:35:28,160 --> 01:35:29,160
Speaker 8: Violence should never.

1710
01:35:29,120 --> 01:35:33,040
Speaker 7: Be justified to settle political differences, you know, in the

1711
01:35:33,120 --> 01:35:34,519
Speaker 7: United States or anyone else.

1712
01:35:34,439 --> 01:35:35,479
Speaker 8: In the world for that matter.

1713
01:35:35,960 --> 01:35:37,840
Speaker 7: But when you look at that goal, you see that

1714
01:35:37,960 --> 01:35:41,519
Speaker 7: the majority that the largest majority of the Republicans disagree

1715
01:35:41,560 --> 01:35:43,880
Speaker 7: with that. I think it was ninety percent department mistake,

1716
01:35:43,960 --> 01:35:47,400
Speaker 7: or even greater. It was the fringers in the United

1717
01:35:47,439 --> 01:35:50,200
Speaker 7: States that they believe that if you disagree with someone

1718
01:35:50,240 --> 01:35:55,280
Speaker 7: when it comes to certain political principles or values, violence

1719
01:35:55,320 --> 01:35:58,519
Speaker 7: may be justified, and that is something that we should

1720
01:35:58,640 --> 01:36:02,000
Speaker 7: never tolerate in United State. But that number sometimes surprises me.

1721
01:36:02,160 --> 01:36:04,800
Speaker 7: That is not even higher when you see that we

1722
01:36:04,960 --> 01:36:09,320
Speaker 7: have professors in our institution that are promoted anti Americanism,

1723
01:36:09,360 --> 01:36:12,400
Speaker 7: and that they think that Republicans are evil, that President

1724
01:36:13,200 --> 01:36:15,360
Speaker 7: Trump is evil, that he's a notpted, that he's this

1725
01:36:15,479 --> 01:36:18,520
Speaker 7: fassions that I mean, the way they describe the Republicans

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01:36:18,600 --> 01:36:20,960
Speaker 7: sometimes is like, I'm surprised that the number is not

1727
01:36:21,040 --> 01:36:25,320
Speaker 7: even higher. You barely hear Republicans or Conservatives or common

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01:36:25,400 --> 01:36:30,560
Speaker 7: sensical Democrats, including the senator from Pennsylvania, which surprises me

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01:36:30,720 --> 01:36:35,000
Speaker 7: sometimes the left that way. The interview that he gave

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01:36:35,080 --> 01:36:37,280
Speaker 7: last night on Parks or he was speaking somewhere and

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01:36:37,320 --> 01:36:39,880
Speaker 7: I was following that, he said, I cannot dislike or

1732
01:36:39,960 --> 01:36:43,080
Speaker 7: hate Republicans. I'm the only Democrat in my family. He said,

1733
01:36:43,160 --> 01:36:46,000
Speaker 7: these people are not anti Americans, they are not passions.

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01:36:46,080 --> 01:36:48,400
Speaker 7: They are not these crazy people that you think that

1735
01:36:48,479 --> 01:36:51,520
Speaker 7: they are. But then on the other hand, the Democrats

1736
01:36:51,560 --> 01:36:55,560
Speaker 7: they stand there. But ninety percent of the media in

1737
01:36:55,600 --> 01:36:59,320
Speaker 7: the United States, they keep them speaking or promoting negative things.

1738
01:36:59,479 --> 01:37:03,720
Speaker 7: But Republicans and so do so do the educational institutions.

1739
01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:07,679
Speaker 7: Although the newspapers sometimes and these numbers come from the left,

1740
01:37:07,760 --> 01:37:10,360
Speaker 7: and it's unfortunate, but you know that that number is

1741
01:37:10,479 --> 01:37:14,360
Speaker 7: quite you know, correct when it comes especially center left

1742
01:37:14,600 --> 01:37:19,280
Speaker 7: with Americans that they would believe in, you know, using

1743
01:37:19,439 --> 01:37:22,760
Speaker 7: violence to settle political differences. I thought that I would

1744
01:37:22,800 --> 01:37:25,680
Speaker 7: never see this in the United States, but unfortunately we've

1745
01:37:25,680 --> 01:37:28,320
Speaker 7: seen that. And we saw that with President Trump that

1746
01:37:28,400 --> 01:37:30,560
Speaker 7: twice there were you know, attamns on his life. We

1747
01:37:30,640 --> 01:37:33,400
Speaker 7: sw that with the assassination of Choraley Kurk. And when

1748
01:37:33,439 --> 01:37:35,960
Speaker 7: you look at all these assassinations in the United States

1749
01:37:36,240 --> 01:37:39,360
Speaker 7: or attempted assassinations in the United States, the.

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01:37:39,439 --> 01:37:42,000
Speaker 8: Targets have always, with the exception.

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01:37:41,800 --> 01:37:46,080
Speaker 7: Of JFK, been Conservatives or Republicans, and the assassins or

1752
01:37:46,120 --> 01:37:49,439
Speaker 7: potential assassins, they have always been on the left. And

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01:37:49,560 --> 01:37:52,240
Speaker 7: this is some this is something that the Democrat Party

1754
01:37:52,600 --> 01:37:54,240
Speaker 7: is going to have to come to its terms to

1755
01:37:54,360 --> 01:37:59,320
Speaker 7: understand that their membership has to be somehow, uh, the

1756
01:37:59,400 --> 01:38:03,360
Speaker 7: more understand and of the differences that the Republicans or

1757
01:38:03,400 --> 01:38:07,120
Speaker 7: the political differences that the Republicans are you know, presenting

1758
01:38:07,200 --> 01:38:11,240
Speaker 7: to them. And unfortunately I don't see that happening soon enough. Actually,

1759
01:38:11,280 --> 01:38:14,559
Speaker 7: we need that as soon as possible, that that boy,

1760
01:38:14,560 --> 01:38:15,720
Speaker 7: he's going to have to understand that.

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01:38:16,040 --> 01:38:19,440
Speaker 2: Doctor Peter image our guest. He is a conservative strategist.

1762
01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:22,640
Speaker 2: He is also a candidate for elective office in Connecticut.

1763
01:38:23,439 --> 01:38:26,519
Speaker 2: You know, I think about things about where all of

1764
01:38:26,600 --> 01:38:30,160
Speaker 2: this went off the rails. I remember the debates between

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01:38:30,240 --> 01:38:34,840
Speaker 2: Nixon and Kennedy, between Carter and Ford, between Reagan and Carter,

1766
01:38:35,240 --> 01:38:39,040
Speaker 2: and so on, and they were all very respectful debates.

1767
01:38:39,600 --> 01:38:42,880
Speaker 2: We all knew that the media, even back the mainstream media,

1768
01:38:43,000 --> 01:38:47,360
Speaker 2: even back in the sixties, was a leaning left operation.

1769
01:38:48,080 --> 01:38:51,719
Speaker 2: It is hard leaning left right now, ABC, CBS, NBC.

1770
01:38:52,360 --> 01:38:55,640
Speaker 2: It's just the way they are. They're populated by reporters

1771
01:38:55,760 --> 01:39:00,000
Speaker 2: and strategists and editors that have come out of liberal institutions,

1772
01:39:00,240 --> 01:39:03,519
Speaker 2: and so it translates into what we see and here

1773
01:39:03,600 --> 01:39:04,599
Speaker 2: on a daily basis.

1774
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Speaker 3: But I think this all went off the rails more

1775
01:39:07,240 --> 01:39:07,920
Speaker 3: I think about it.

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01:39:08,439 --> 01:39:12,840
Speaker 2: In the twenty sixteen election, the Democrats fully believed that

1777
01:39:13,080 --> 01:39:16,400
Speaker 2: Hillary Clinton not only was going to be elected president,

1778
01:39:16,520 --> 01:39:19,320
Speaker 2: but deserved to be elected president and should have been

1779
01:39:19,360 --> 01:39:22,599
Speaker 2: elected president. And when it didn't happen, I think that's

1780
01:39:22,680 --> 01:39:26,799
Speaker 2: when all of this stuff, this Nazis and this Hitler

1781
01:39:26,880 --> 01:39:29,719
Speaker 2: and all that, all that diatribe that had been thrown

1782
01:39:29,800 --> 01:39:32,280
Speaker 2: against the right. I think it all began in the

1783
01:39:32,360 --> 01:39:35,640
Speaker 2: wake of that. I don't think Democrats could handle the

1784
01:39:35,720 --> 01:39:40,360
Speaker 2: fact that Donald Trump, whom they loved, doctor they loved before.

1785
01:39:40,160 --> 01:39:41,120
Speaker 3: He ran for president.

1786
01:39:41,200 --> 01:39:43,759
Speaker 2: I don't think they could handle the fact that Donald

1787
01:39:43,800 --> 01:39:46,720
Speaker 2: Trump was now president of the United States and the

1788
01:39:46,800 --> 01:39:48,400
Speaker 2: Golden Girl Hillary was not.

1789
01:39:49,040 --> 01:39:49,639
Speaker 3: Am I wrong?

1790
01:39:51,280 --> 01:39:52,040
Speaker 8: No, you're not wrong.

1791
01:39:52,160 --> 01:39:55,560
Speaker 7: Actually, the keyword that you used to her here is

1792
01:39:55,640 --> 01:39:58,920
Speaker 7: that they believed that she deserved it to be the

1793
01:39:59,000 --> 01:40:01,160
Speaker 7: president of the Uni States. And I think that is

1794
01:40:01,479 --> 01:40:05,280
Speaker 7: what we should underline, that nobody deserves anything. You walk

1795
01:40:05,320 --> 01:40:07,560
Speaker 7: out there, you earn it, you work for it, you

1796
01:40:07,680 --> 01:40:09,960
Speaker 7: fight for it, and you get you convince people to

1797
01:40:10,040 --> 01:40:13,320
Speaker 7: vote for you. And I think that Clinton miserably failed

1798
01:40:13,400 --> 01:40:16,320
Speaker 7: to do that, so did Harris. And Donald Trump was

1799
01:40:16,360 --> 01:40:20,519
Speaker 7: able to convince the larger part of the American population

1800
01:40:20,680 --> 01:40:22,599
Speaker 7: to vote for him, and they get to the American

1801
01:40:22,640 --> 01:40:25,360
Speaker 7: people continue to love him. I mean, still the bas

1802
01:40:25,479 --> 01:40:28,479
Speaker 7: is about ninety percent supportive of what Trump stands for

1803
01:40:28,680 --> 01:40:31,080
Speaker 7: and what he's doing to put America first. But when

1804
01:40:31,120 --> 01:40:35,040
Speaker 7: you look at the Socialist Democrats of America of America,

1805
01:40:35,120 --> 01:40:38,160
Speaker 7: for example, you look at the leadership that that movement had,

1806
01:40:38,439 --> 01:40:40,519
Speaker 7: and you look at the names over there, whether it's

1807
01:40:40,760 --> 01:40:44,360
Speaker 7: Receive at the leap or whether it's Omar or Bernie Sanders,

1808
01:40:44,600 --> 01:40:47,559
Speaker 7: Zorah Mandani. Now, I mean, you look at these people

1809
01:40:48,040 --> 01:40:51,760
Speaker 7: and it makes you wonder that most of them, or

1810
01:40:51,800 --> 01:40:54,680
Speaker 7: all of them, with the exception of Bernie Sanders, they

1811
01:40:54,680 --> 01:40:57,280
Speaker 7: were not even born in the United States. They've come

1812
01:40:57,360 --> 01:41:00,560
Speaker 7: from countries that they were supposed to escape, or that

1813
01:41:00,560 --> 01:41:05,000
Speaker 7: at least we believe they were escaping these liberal, socialistic policies,

1814
01:41:05,280 --> 01:41:07,080
Speaker 7: and yet they come to the United States and the

1815
01:41:07,200 --> 01:41:10,880
Speaker 7: moment they become American citizens, they promote the exact same

1816
01:41:10,960 --> 01:41:13,800
Speaker 7: policies that they left behind in their countries which drove

1817
01:41:13,920 --> 01:41:16,560
Speaker 7: them out of their countries. And this is something that

1818
01:41:16,760 --> 01:41:20,519
Speaker 7: is that the Democrat Party has allowed this left wing

1819
01:41:21,000 --> 01:41:24,360
Speaker 7: part of the party to take control of the party,

1820
01:41:24,479 --> 01:41:28,240
Speaker 7: and now the more common sensical people, including the Senator

1821
01:41:28,320 --> 01:41:31,600
Speaker 7: from New York, they are afraid of these people, including ocagiquarters,

1822
01:41:31,640 --> 01:41:33,880
Speaker 7: that they are going to primary them and remove them

1823
01:41:33,920 --> 01:41:37,519
Speaker 7: from power because they have garnished so much support, whether

1824
01:41:37,520 --> 01:41:40,040
Speaker 7: it's the youth, whether it's the minorities in these cities,

1825
01:41:40,680 --> 01:41:43,800
Speaker 7: whereas the ones that they can consider to be disenfranchised.

1826
01:41:43,960 --> 01:41:45,880
Speaker 7: I mean, they have garnished so much support in these

1827
01:41:45,920 --> 01:41:49,120
Speaker 7: cities that the common sensical Democrats are scared of them.

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01:41:49,960 --> 01:41:52,040
Speaker 8: They're going to have to stand up to these you.

1829
01:41:52,080 --> 01:41:58,320
Speaker 7: Know, so forth leaders of the socialist Americans and then

1830
01:41:58,520 --> 01:42:01,679
Speaker 7: just dismantled their policies. They have to have to bag

1831
01:42:01,760 --> 01:42:03,840
Speaker 7: bone the character in the forty two to stand up

1832
01:42:03,880 --> 01:42:06,440
Speaker 7: with these people and tell them this is not American

1833
01:42:06,560 --> 01:42:08,680
Speaker 7: at all and we're not going to tolerate this.

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01:42:08,800 --> 01:42:10,439
Speaker 8: And I hope they do that in this election.

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01:42:11,120 --> 01:42:14,519
Speaker 2: It's been about five or six years ago, but doctor

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01:42:14,560 --> 01:42:18,040
Speaker 2: Peter Lumage wrote a terrific book. It's called My Father's Prayers,

1837
01:42:18,080 --> 01:42:22,320
Speaker 2: and it details coming to America, escaping socialism, and his

1838
01:42:22,439 --> 01:42:24,960
Speaker 2: hope for America. If you can find it, it's a

1839
01:42:25,040 --> 01:42:26,960
Speaker 2: tough fine, but if it's out there, it is a

1840
01:42:27,120 --> 01:42:30,360
Speaker 2: great read. And doctor Lemage, it's always great having you on.

1841
01:42:30,560 --> 01:42:32,560
Speaker 3: You stay well. We need to hear your voice and

1842
01:42:32,720 --> 01:42:34,120
Speaker 3: thank you for your time here.

1843
01:42:35,160 --> 01:42:36,880
Speaker 8: Thank you very much, God bless you guys. I have

1844
01:42:36,920 --> 01:42:37,519
Speaker 8: a great weekend.

1845
01:42:37,680 --> 01:42:37,920
Speaker 5: Thank you.

1846
01:42:38,520 --> 01:42:43,120
Speaker 2: Sixty four percent say it's out of our control now,

1847
01:42:43,880 --> 01:42:47,200
Speaker 2: it's a beast running amok. Yeah, but you know what,

1848
01:42:47,800 --> 01:42:51,240
Speaker 2: it all seems to come back to center eventually, the

1849
01:42:51,320 --> 01:42:54,240
Speaker 2: Democrats that have you believe that's when Donald Trump leaves

1850
01:42:54,320 --> 01:42:56,760
Speaker 2: office and rides into the sunset to never be heard

1851
01:42:56,800 --> 01:43:01,200
Speaker 2: from again. And the Democrats the Republicans would tell you,

1852
01:43:01,360 --> 01:43:04,519
Speaker 2: as soon as the squad shuts up, as soon as

1853
01:43:04,680 --> 01:43:07,840
Speaker 2: socialists are stopped being elected to public office, it'll all

1854
01:43:07,920 --> 01:43:10,400
Speaker 2: get better. The fact of the matter is, none of

1855
01:43:10,439 --> 01:43:13,519
Speaker 2: that's true. It's up to you and me to make

1856
01:43:13,600 --> 01:43:17,960
Speaker 2: it better. That's where it all starts. And maybe next

1857
01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:20,400
Speaker 2: time they take that survey. Maybe next time, if there

1858
01:43:20,479 --> 01:43:22,000
Speaker 2: is a next time for the New York Times and

1859
01:43:22,080 --> 01:43:24,280
Speaker 2: seeing a college, maybe that number isn't sixty four.

1860
01:43:25,160 --> 01:43:27,400
Speaker 3: Maybe it's a little bit lower, maybe it's a lot lower.

1861
01:43:28,439 --> 01:43:31,280
Speaker 3: That's what you've got to keep alive. That's hope.

1862
01:43:32,720 --> 01:43:36,160
Speaker 2: We'll see if hope becomes reality now three twenty three

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Speaker 2: on this Saturday afternoon news Radio seven hundred ALW