1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: Michael Brown for governor. He puts the goober in gubernatorial. 2 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, that'll be the day. You have to talk to 3 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 2: my wife about that. Chili either have to be she'd 4 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:22,279 Speaker 2: have to be dead for me to run to either 5 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 2: go back to DC or do anything like that. Never 6 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 2: gonna happen. 7 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: Now we need goobers to come up with what would 8 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 1: be your slogan? Ooh, that might be a dangerous question. 9 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 3: Doing Goober's God's work. Gouber's doing God's work exactly. So 10 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 3: here we are December eleven. Late in the afternoon on 11 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:52,480 Speaker 3: December eighth, our favorite Federal District Court Judge jeb Boseburg 12 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 3: issued a two page order in response to. 13 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: Four less than. 14 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 2: Enlightening declarations filed by the Trump administration officials that were 15 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 2: involved and I put that in their quotes involved in 16 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 2: the decision making that resulted in those two planeloads of 17 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 2: trend of Ragwa game members being sent in March fifteen 18 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 2: back to El Salvador prisons because they were declared to 19 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 2: be alien enemies of the United States. That December eighth 20 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 2: order entered by Judge Bozburg reads as follows, the Court believes. 21 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 2: The Court thus believes that it is necessary to hear 22 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:44,919 Speaker 2: witness testimony to better understand the basis of the decision 23 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 2: to transfer the deportees out of United States custody. In 24 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 2: the context of the hearing on March fifteen, twenty twenty five, 25 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 2: the events surrounding this decision should shed light on this question. 26 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 2: The Court accordingly orders that one plaintiffs shall attempt to 27 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:13,839 Speaker 2: secure the presence of Eresruvini for testimony on December fifteenth, 28 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, at nine point thirty in the morning. 29 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:23,679 Speaker 2: The government shall produce Drew insign for testimony on December sixteenth, 30 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, at two pm. Now, Notice one is 31 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 2: that the plainness the Department of Justice shall attempt to 32 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 2: secure the presence of this witness, that guy's or that 33 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 2: person's name, because. 34 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: I don't really know whether it's a male or female 35 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 1: who could tell anyway? Do we even know? Do we 36 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: even care about that anymore? 37 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 2: Eres Ruvini was terminated from the Department of Justice on 38 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 2: April eleven. Back in April because of his disclosure of 39 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 2: attorney client privileged information in an entirely different case. He 40 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 2: was one of the lead lawyers for the Department of 41 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 2: Justice in the case that involved our fame favorite illegal alien, 42 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 2: Kilmar Abrago Garcia, the Maryland Father. Now, the reasons for 43 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 2: this dummies termination I'll explain in more detail than a minute, 44 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 2: But so far as I can, I can tell this 45 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 2: particular lawyer never made any appearance for the Department of 46 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 2: Justice in the Alien Enemies Act case that is now 47 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 2: penning before this judge. So if he never appeared, he's 48 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 2: since been terminated for violating the attorney client privilege. And 49 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 2: I'm maybe I'm sure the FBI, I'm sure the CIA, 50 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 2: or the NESSA, I'm sure Hell's Bell I could probably 51 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 2: find him, but he never testified or had any involvement 52 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 2: in this case at all. Now, the other person, Drew 53 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 2: ensign is the Deputy Assistant Attorney General in the Civil 54 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:13,119 Speaker 2: Division of the DOJ, and he is responsible for all 55 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 2: of the work in the Office of Immigration Litigation. Now, 56 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:21,679 Speaker 2: if you look at the ORG chart above the Deputy 57 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 2: Attorney General on the ORG chart, what have been the 58 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 2: Civil Division Assistant Attorney General Brett Shoemate, then Principal Associate Deputy. 59 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 1: Attorney see bureaucratic. 60 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 2: It is, and then above them the Principal Associate Deputy 61 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 2: Attorney General Emil Boom who's now an appeals court judge, 62 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 2: and above his slought is Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanch, 63 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 2: And above Todd Blanch is of course the Attorney General 64 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 2: Pam Bondi. In order to explain where this is headed, 65 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 2: let me retrace the steps and the timeline that. 66 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: Got us to this point. 67 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 2: Back in March fifteen, Judge Boseburg convened of five o'clock 68 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 2: hearing via zoom on a Saturday, following a one o'clock 69 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 2: in the morning fighting of a complaint by the trend 70 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 2: of Rogwa gang members who were looking for a temporary 71 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 2: restraining order to stop them from being removed from the 72 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 2: United States probably that day. Earlier in the day, Boseburg 73 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 2: had granted a temporary restraining order for the five individuals 74 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 2: named as plaintiffs, preventing them. 75 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 1: From being removed. 76 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 2: The hearing was to consider a motion to certify the class, 77 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 2: which is something the Supreme Courts that they were going 78 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 2: to have to do, and extend the temporary restraining order 79 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 2: to all members of the class, whether they were named 80 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 2: or unnamed, anywhere in the country now appearing for the 81 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 2: United States, which is unusual in this case was the 82 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 2: Deputy Attorney General ensign. He was new to DOJ in 83 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 2: early twenty twenty five after joining Trump two point zero 84 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 2: from the Arizona Attorney General's office. On the ORG chart, 85 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 2: he is about three levels of responsibility above where you 86 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:20,039 Speaker 2: would expect an attorney this making an appearance to be. 87 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 2: In other words, he's pretty high up the chain, and 88 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 2: people that high up the chain in the Department of 89 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 2: Justice normally don't appear in court. The second point I'd 90 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 2: make is this without being given the opportunity to file 91 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 2: a written opposition. At the conclusion of the hearing, Judge 92 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 2: Boseburg certified a class, granted the restraining order for the 93 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 2: entire class, and then told this Deputy Attorney General to 94 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 2: communicate to the necessary officials that they need to turn 95 00:06:54,600 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 2: the planes around and or to not the plane anyone 96 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:05,359 Speaker 2: on board if they land outside the United States. He 97 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 2: later issues are written order that has no reference at 98 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 2: all to turning the planes around or not to planing 99 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 2: those on board. 100 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: He said he didn't right. 101 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 2: He said, the government is enjoined from removing members of 102 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 2: such class pursued to the proclamation for fourteen days. Now, 103 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 2: while all that's going on the planes are in the air, 104 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 2: the planes land in El Salvador and those that are 105 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 2: on board, the members of the gang members on board 106 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 2: are deplaned and they're turned over to the custody of 107 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 2: the Salvadoran officials to be detained. Now go to March seventeen, 108 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 2: same Judge Boseburg conducts the hearing late in the afternoon 109 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 2: to review the events of March fifteen, after the gang 110 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 2: members get transferred transferred to El Salvage door and what 111 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 2: I would say is seeming violation of his temporary restraining order. 112 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 2: I don't think it was, but he Clai He claims 113 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 2: that it was that followed the published reports that the 114 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 2: planes had continued on their routes because they had already 115 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 2: taken off, and that they landed after Judge Boseburg actually 116 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 2: entered his restraining order. Now peering for that motion and 117 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 2: that hearing was August Flinty. He's the acting director of 118 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 2: the Office of Immigration Litigation. He is a subordinate of 119 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 2: the Associate Attorney General. Boseburg said that his purpose for 120 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 2: having the hearing was I just want to develop a 121 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 2: fact record as to what happened during and after the 122 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 2: evening of this hearing on March fifteen and determine the 123 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 2: facts related to the timing of the flights. Well, the 124 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 2: government to provide those details, and they said that we're 125 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:07,599 Speaker 2: not going to provide those details because of operational security, 126 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 2: which is a legitimate reason. 127 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 4: Michael, So are you trying to get us all pissed 128 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 4: off about listening to the Democrats talk about how they've 129 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:21,079 Speaker 4: been trying to fix healthcare and its Republicans fault. Wasn't 130 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 4: Obamacare under a Democrat? Wasn't all of these so called 131 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 4: improvement in our healthcare under Democrats? And look at our 132 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 4: system now it's broken. 133 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: I love this talkback. 134 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 2: I'm also disappointed the talkback because it means that I 135 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 2: failed to make clear the point that I was trying 136 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:53,319 Speaker 2: to make. Yes, you are correct, Obamacare was passed solely 137 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:59,959 Speaker 2: with Democrat votes. Obamacare and that first step toward nationalized 138 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 2: socialized medicine is a Democrat program and a Democrat objective. 139 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 2: So now fast forward to today. These subsidies that shut 140 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 2: down the government and the Republicans are now arguing about 141 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 2: were put in during the COVID era. They are supposed 142 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 2: to go technically under the law solely to state exchanges 143 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 2: but because of the Court's decision, these subsidies. Now, I 144 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 2: remember when I say subsidies, what I'm really saying is 145 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 2: your tax dollars, Your tax dollars are now going to 146 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 2: subsidize people on both state and the federal exchange. Republicans 147 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 2: have an opportunity to stop the subsidies entirely, and they're 148 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 2: not doing it. In fact, i'd have to go dig around. 149 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 2: But last night I had a couple of sound bites 150 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 2: which I thought about using today, where Republicans are talking 151 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 2: about maybe what we you know, there are different news 152 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 2: programs they're talking about, well, maybe what we'll do in 153 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 2: order to avoid another shutdown is we'll just go ahead 154 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:24,959 Speaker 2: and extend the subsidies a little bit. Do you mean 155 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 2: like you're a little bit pregnant, or you're a little 156 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 2: bit dead, or you're a little bit whatever. No, So 157 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 2: the point I'm making is the Republicans are falling right 158 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 2: into the trap the Democrats are set up for them, 159 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 2: and they don't have the cajones, they don't have the backbone, 160 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 2: they don't have the testicles to stand up and say 161 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 2: we shouldn't be subsidizing this at all, and we're cutting 162 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,599 Speaker 2: them all off and we have control right now. And 163 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 2: Democrats if you don't like it, too bad. If in Democrats, 164 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 2: if you want to shut down the government again, have 165 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 2: at it. That's the point I guess I should have made. 166 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 2: So Yes, I'm worried about Republicans. Republicans are about to 167 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 2: just once again take two steps back when they're in control. 168 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, do they irritate me? Damn right, they 169 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 2: irritate me, But so is Judge Bozburg. Anyway, Thanks for 170 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 2: the talkback. Actually, that's the kind of talkback that I 171 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 2: could take for the entire segment. That's the kind of 172 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 2: talkback that really gets me wound up. 173 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 1: But I need to take a break. 174 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 3: Here, Ronnie. 175 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 5: I went to the Situation with Michael Brown podcast. I 176 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 5: opened it up with that handy dandy new and improved 177 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 5: iHeartRadio app. And for my wife, I played all the 178 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 5: banter that you were talking about me this week. She 179 00:12:55,720 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 5: feels like she owes you an apology. 180 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 2: Actually, I would like to meet her, because if she 181 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 2: has her eyesight and her hearing, then she must be 182 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 2: either one of the dumbest people I've ever met in 183 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 2: my entire life, or she's a saint one or the other. 184 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,959 Speaker 1: I don't know which it is no middle ground, yeah. 185 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 2: Or she's deaf and blind and mute and she just 186 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 2: doesn't know what she's dealing with when she's dealing with you. 187 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: I don't know which. It is. Possible, Yeah, all possible, 188 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: All very possible. 189 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 2: Let me conclude quickly with Judge Boseberg, because I want 190 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 2: you to know what's really going on here. 191 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 1: The question that. 192 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 2: The question that really remains is what's the end game. 193 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 2: I think he's already determined that there is probable cause 194 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 2: that there should be a contempt sit in fact, a 195 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 2: criminal contempt citation against somebody at the Department of Whole 196 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 2: Land Security or it's that matter of the Department of Justice. 197 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 2: He believes that they intentionally violated his order, even though 198 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 2: his order was first verbal and then only entered into 199 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 2: the record later, and the flights had already taken off 200 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 2: and they'd already disembarked well. The government has since identified 201 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 2: Christy Nomes, the Secretary of Home Land Security, as the 202 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 2: person in the administration who made the decision to have 203 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 2: the flights continue after they were already in the air, 204 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 2: after they'd already left American airspace, to continue onto El 205 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 2: Salvador and Deplane, the TDA members. But Boseberg is trying 206 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 2: to get that put in writing because right now he 207 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 2: has insufficient evidence to assess whether or not Secretary Nome's 208 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 2: decision was a wilful violation of the court order. Now, 209 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 2: the two witnesses that he wants to hear from have 210 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 2: never indicated in any way anywhere that they either spoke 211 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 2: with the Secretary about the Court's order, discussed it, hurt 212 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 2: about it, or anything you see to to invoke or 213 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 2: impose criminal contempt. Contempt, there has to be wilfulness, and 214 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 2: wilfulness is a state of mind of the alleged contender. 215 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 2: And the two witnesses are not going to get Judge 216 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 2: Boseburg closer to knowing Secretary nome state of mind. And 217 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 2: why does he continued to do it? 218 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: Now? 219 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 2: He's already made a determination that Secretary Nome is beyond 220 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 2: his reach and her state of mind or her you 221 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 2: know that, somehow, somehow he's already made a determination that 222 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 2: she didn't violate any order. 223 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 1: He can't. How's he going to backtrack that? Now? Why 224 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: is he doing it? 225 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 2: I think he was to write an updated version of 226 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 2: the probable cause finding and then fill that with facts, 227 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 2: as he wants to see the facts based on the 228 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 2: information that has come out since April sixteen, and that 229 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 2: includes the one lawyer's public statements, the guy that got 230 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 2: fired suggesting that there was an intentional discussion about the 231 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 2: option of just ignoring the court order or halting the flights. 232 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 2: He wants to put in their. Judge Bow's comments on 233 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 2: the subject that he offered during his confirmation hearing is 234 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 2: going to be long and scathing. He's going to name names, 235 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 2: He's going to include specific accusations of misconduct and a 236 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 2: lack of candor. In my opinion, he's doing this on 237 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 2: behalf of and it's purely my guess he's doing this 238 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 2: on behalf of all the other district judges because they 239 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 2: believe that they've been unfairly attacked and that they've been 240 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 2: maligned by the administration over the past ten to eleven 241 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 2: months of lawfare being waged against the administration changes in policy. 242 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 2: That's what's really going on here. But in the end, 243 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,679 Speaker 2: my guess is that he will determine that he can't establish, 244 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:10,719 Speaker 2: at least by the necessary standard of proof, the Secretary 245 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:14,880 Speaker 2: Nome Wilfree violated the March fifteenth restraining order, and then 246 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:19,160 Speaker 2: if that's the case, further content proceedings can't be justified, 247 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 2: and holding a non attorney Cabinet secretary in criminal contempt 248 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 2: for making a policy decision after having been provided legal 249 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 2: advice by the Deputy Attorney General, his principal assistant, and 250 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 2: the General Council of Homeland Security, it's not going to 251 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:38,479 Speaker 2: stand up on appeal, and that would leave a huge 252 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 2: smoking crater between the administration, the Department of Justice, and 253 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 2: the DC District Court, where so much of this litigation 254 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:49,199 Speaker 2: involving whatever Trump's trying to do can only take place. 255 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:55,719 Speaker 2: I am, however, confident that there are voices of colleagues 256 00:17:56,400 --> 00:18:01,879 Speaker 2: within that Federal District Courthouse urge him down this path, 257 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 2: and they're going to urge him to make a contempt 258 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 2: finding against the administration when that time comes. But let's 259 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:16,199 Speaker 2: think about space. I don't mean out of space. I 260 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 2: mean buildings. 261 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: You know, the space of the studio, for example, one 262 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: floor below. 263 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 2: Where Judge Boseburg in the DC Federal Court House sits 264 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 2: are the judges of the DC Court of Appeals, and 265 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 2: those are the judges They're going to be called upon 266 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 2: to review any decision he makes, and then less than 267 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 2: half a mile away are the nine justice of the 268 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 2: United States Supreme Court, where any decision would almost certainly 269 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:46,239 Speaker 2: end up at some point or another. Now there are 270 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 2: about channel means of communications between all of these people, So. 271 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe Judge Boseburg will get. 272 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 2: His cathartic moment in writing his opinion and then maybe 273 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,080 Speaker 2: even summoning both sides to a hearing where he he 274 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 2: announces his decision publicly. 275 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 1: From the bench. 276 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 2: But my guess is he will bring this chapter a 277 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:14,959 Speaker 2: close by not moving forward with further contempt proceedings. I 278 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 2: think these judges have been slapped down enough enough. Or 279 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 2: as I said, you remember yesterday and I talked about 280 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 2: no I take the bag somewhere else. I was talking 281 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 2: about this. A president doesn't need to say, hey, I 282 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 2: want XYZ done to get somebody to go do something. Well, 283 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 2: the Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court doesn't need 284 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 2: to say anything directly to get judges lined up. Clerks 285 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 2: can do it, secretaries can do it, friends can do 286 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 2: it over dinner. 287 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 1: It can be done. 288 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 2: And I think Judge Boseburg may and I certainly hope, 289 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:02,360 Speaker 2: is getting the message you're overstepping your bounds. Minnesota. Let's 290 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 2: go to Minnesota. Let's go from DC to Minnesota. The 291 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 2: Somali refugee community in Minnesota shows significantly higher reliance on 292 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:18,439 Speaker 2: welfare compared to Native born Minnesotans. That's according to a 293 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:23,919 Speaker 2: new analysis of a decade of American community survey data. 294 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 1: The Center for. 295 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 2: Immigration Study CIS reports that eighty one percent of the 296 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 2: Somali refugees headed households in Minnesota use at least one 297 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 2: form of taxpayer funded welfare, and that includes twenty seven 298 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:43,120 Speaker 2: percent getting cash assistance, fifty four percent using food stamps, 299 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 2: and seventy three percent enrolled in Medicaid. Compared to native 300 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 2: born Minnesota households, only twenty one percent use welfare programs, 301 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 2: with six percent on cash, a seven percent on food stamps, 302 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 2: and eighteen percent of Medicaid. And then the gap is 303 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 2: even larger when you get to families that have kids. 304 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 2: The study shows that eighty nine percent eighty one as 305 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 2: well be hundred right eighty nine percent of Somali headed 306 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 2: households with kids rely on public assistance compared to thirty 307 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 2: percent of native born Minnesota households. Nearly every Somali household 308 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 2: with children gets some form of welfare. Are you tired 309 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 2: of it? That's a grift that just keeps ongoing. But 310 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 2: there's another grift that keeps ongoing that I want to 311 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:40,479 Speaker 2: talk about before it becomes more widespread news. 312 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: The Denver City Council. 313 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,679 Speaker 2: Approved thirty three million dollars in contracts with homelessness service 314 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 2: provider Urban Alchemy. Alchemy, it's a nonprofit. It's an NGO 315 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 2: based in San Francisco. 316 00:21:58,640 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: The founding. 317 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:05,679 Speaker 2: The founder of this NGO and the current CEO is 318 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 2: someone by the name of Lena Miller. 319 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: She likes to fly first class. 320 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 2: She likes to I mean, this is where you and I, 321 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,239 Speaker 2: you know, because I don't live in Denver, but I 322 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:22,679 Speaker 2: work in Denver. And NGOs get money from not just 323 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 2: Denver taxpayers. Although this thirty three million dollar in contract, 324 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 2: thirty three million dollaring, thirty three million dollar contract probably 325 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:37,479 Speaker 2: includes a combination of Denver taxes, state taxes paid by 326 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 2: everybody in the state, and probably some federal money too. 327 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 2: But it's a thirty three million dollar contract to an NGO, 328 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 2: and this CEO they got a thirty three million dollar contract. 329 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:52,360 Speaker 1: Wow. 330 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 2: Makes three hundred and sixty nine nine hundred twenty three 331 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:01,160 Speaker 2: dollars plus almost six thousand dollars in so called air 332 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 2: quote here other earnings. According to its most recent tax filings, 333 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 2: that's ten thousand dollars more than the leader of the 334 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 2: much larger Colorado Coalition for the Homeless. 335 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: She is Lena Miller, one. 336 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:26,679 Speaker 2: Of the highest paid CEOs for Denver's homelessness providers. And 337 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,360 Speaker 2: you wonder why we continue to have a homeless program, 338 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 2: I mean a homeless problem. We continue to have a 339 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 2: homeless program because if you're making almost half a million 340 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 2: dollars somewhere between a quarter and a half a million 341 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 2: dollars and you fly first class to well, I've got 342 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,400 Speaker 2: to go back to la because I need to study 343 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 2: logistics of homelessness. Yes, that's what we're doing in Colorado now. 344 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 2: One of the particular homeless facilities, the Aspen, was run 345 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 2: by the Salvation arm Met the regional leader in Colorado 346 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 2: that would head that up pays about thirty thousand dollars, 347 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 2: though other staffers at the charity make more. The person 348 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 2: than charge of that particular place made about thirty thousand dollars. 349 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 2: Nine executives at this new outfit, Urban Alchemy, we're making 350 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,400 Speaker 2: more than one hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year, 351 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 2: So you've got more than a million dollars going to 352 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 2: nine other executives. You've got almost half a million dollars 353 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:36,640 Speaker 2: going to the CEO, all of a non government organization 354 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 2: that is being paid to solve or manage or manage 355 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 2: and solve the homeless problem in Denver. I don't think 356 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 2: there's a snowballs chance in hell that the whomeless problem 357 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 2: in Denver is going to get solved, because who wants 358 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 2: to work themselves out of a three hundred and fifty 359 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 2: nine thousand dollars a year job plus per to flying 360 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:06,400 Speaker 2: first class wherever you go. Urban Alchemy, according to Denver Right, 361 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 2: is one of many national nonprofits that grew fast when 362 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:14,119 Speaker 2: the city started spending big on addressing homelessness after the 363 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:19,160 Speaker 2: pandemic when the encampment spread across the country. They also 364 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:25,120 Speaker 2: pay for luxury travel expenses. Urban Alchemy explaining tax forms 365 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 2: the organization has paid our CEO to travel first class 366 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:34,919 Speaker 2: when necessary for logistics and its business purposes. I don't know, 367 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 2: but for example, I will my own hard earned money, 368 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 2: not taxpayer money. I'm flying first class in Missoula tonight 369 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 2: to go to my grandson's graduation. 370 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 1: I paid for that. Guess what. 371 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 2: I can walk to the back of the plane where 372 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,399 Speaker 2: the economy seats are and they go to the same 373 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 2: place at the same time that the first class seats do. 374 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 2: So when they tell you that, oh, she needs to 375 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 2: fight first class for logistics, what. 376 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 4: Not? 377 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 2: Every first class now seven fifty sevens are being kind 378 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:18,400 Speaker 2: of taken off the out of commission, but not all 379 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 2: first class seats are up front, and they don't always 380 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 2: disembark first before everybody else. I'm trying to figure out 381 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 2: what the logistics are because those seats fill the same 382 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,880 Speaker 2: place that the economy seats go. But meanwhile, that's what 383 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 2: Denver taxpayers are going to be paying for the Meanwhile, 384 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 2: the organization also employed drivers for car base travel to 385 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,920 Speaker 2: LA and Portland so the executive team could work while 386 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 2: they were on the road. Now I find that interesting too, 387 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 2: because when I board the United flights in Missoula this evening, 388 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 2: I can either through my T mobile account or through 389 00:26:54,840 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 2: my United you know, membership. I can go online and 390 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 2: I can send you I can respond to text messages, 391 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,120 Speaker 2: I can send you emails. I can tell a rod 392 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 2: in an email what a jerky was today? I can 393 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 2: do all sorts of things. So they need to work 394 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 2: while on the road. Huh, I can work while I'm 395 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 2: in the plane too. And that little curtain that separates 396 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 2: first class between economy that Wi Fi works despite the curtain. Yes, 397 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 2: the curtain doesn't stop the WiFi. None of a sample 398 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 2: of other local nonprofits, according to the Denverright, disclosed first 399 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 2: class fought flights or hiring drivers. Now, I would like 400 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 2: to know how do we get this contract to this 401 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:52,360 Speaker 2: particular NGO. Jeff Kositski, who now serves as Denver's Deputy 402 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 2: Director of Housing Opportunity for the Department of Housing Stability, 403 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 2: He was making more than one hundred and ninety eight 404 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 2: thousand dollars a year for Urban Alchemy as its chief 405 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 2: growth officer. 406 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: Did you get what I just said? 407 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,719 Speaker 2: Oh, the guy that now serves as Denver's Deputy Director 408 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 2: of Housing Opportunity used to work for Urban Alchemy made 409 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 2: almost two hundred thousand dollars a year. Kitty, I wonder 410 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 2: how they got the thirty three million dollar contract. 411 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:23,120 Speaker 4: Mm. 412 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 2: Interestingly, you want to know how fast this NGO has 413 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 2: grown Their twenty nineteen tax filing showed only about thirty 414 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 2: six thousand dollars in revenue. Fast forward to twenty twenty 415 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 2: to twenty twenty three twenty twenty four fiscal year, they 416 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 2: brought in nearly eighty five million dollars in revenue and 417 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 2: spent eighty two million up But according to their filings, 418 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 2: two percent of the organization's budget goes to compensating executives. 419 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 2: Ninety one percent, they say he goes on program expenses, 420 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 2: with the rest going to administration and fundraising. Now that 421 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 2: is within widely accepted standards for nonprofits. They employ more 422 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 2: than twelve hundred people. They provide workforce programs related to 423 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 2: civic engagement, urban street cleaning, re entry services. But the 424 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 2: people that do that, they might get twenty one bucks 425 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 2: an hour if they're lucky. So the homelessness drift is 426 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 2: going on quite well in Colorado. So the next time 427 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 2: you see a homeless person on the street, ask you 428 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 2: what that CEO of Urban Alchemy is doing for three 429 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 2: hundred and seventy thousand dollars a year, and why they're 430 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,239 Speaker 2: still a homeless person on the street. Couldn't we just 431 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 2: pay the homeless people to just simply go away?