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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening. This is our first

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Speaker 1: Friday show since August. We have a lot to get

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Speaker 1: to Let's get right to it. The Duke Tobin press

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Speaker 1: conference ended about an hour ago. Kelsey Conway was there

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Speaker 1: covering the Bengals, covering Duke Tobin, covering the press conference

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Speaker 1: for The Inquirer and Cincinnati dot Com. She has a

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Speaker 1: lot of work to do it, so I can't thank

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Speaker 1: her enough for joining us right out of the shoe, Kelsey,

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Speaker 1: it's awesome to have you.

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Speaker 2: How are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm great, how are you? Thanks so much for having

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Speaker 3: me on always.

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Speaker 2: It's awesome to have you, all right.

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Speaker 1: The big takeaway from Duke Tobin's press conference for you was.

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Speaker 3: What Bengals fans should prepare for more of the same.

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Speaker 2: Sadly kind of mine as well.

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Speaker 1: Right, because I heard I heard a lot of references

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Speaker 1: I didn't hear anything indicating reflection and using that reflection

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Speaker 1: Here you walked away from that press conference disappointed.

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Speaker 3: So I'm glad that I'm coming on to be able

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Speaker 3: at the Senior Bowl with Duke, and the more I

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Speaker 3: the more I felt it was very similar to my

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Speaker 3: And the big takeaway, the two big takeaways that I

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Speaker 3: wants to win all of that, but for two years

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Speaker 3: He said he's down on the team's ability to finish games.

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Speaker 3: So he said that to me last year, I wrote

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Speaker 3: And they don't, and they have it for two years

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it was exactly my takeaway from it.

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Speaker 3: No, for that to be the message point in back

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Speaker 3: pointing us in the right direction. But he kept using

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Speaker 1: So the part of the press conference that in that

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Speaker 3: How is that the case, Well, those situations do arise.

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Speaker 3: But the other main takeaway that I had was I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like twenty twenty one in twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 1: last ten years. Duke Tobin has been in place for

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Speaker 1: to have an answer to this, But Duke talked about

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Speaker 1: There's no comfort in the organization. There's no comfort even

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Speaker 3: And my other thought on that is, okay, if there's

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Speaker 3: But I wanted to ask, do you think that you

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Speaker 3: Zach is on a year to year basis in terms

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Speaker 1: All Right, two more because I know you have to

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Speaker 2: At at the top of the show.

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Speaker 1: Right after that press conference, Duke was asked about contract

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Speaker 2: And I guess here's my.

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Speaker 1: Question this offseason, it would be awesome if the Bengals

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Speaker 2: Now they only control that so much.

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Speaker 1: I get it, but among all the players that they

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's easy Chase Brown. Because I talked to Chase

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Speaker 3: all about the Bengals first offer to Chase to in

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Speaker 3: I think the two corners will be easier than Chase Brown,

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Speaker 3: that might result into Chase Brown playing in his final

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Speaker 1: I also walked away from the press conference thinking that

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Speaker 3: I guess not, because they had a similar You know,

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Speaker 3: Duke Tobin has said year after year, I really value

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Speaker 3: edge rusher's defensive line is really important to me. He

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Speaker 3: said all of that last year, and they didn't do

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Speaker 3: Joseph Osize, So that one, he said it it's important

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Speaker 3: free agency, Like the Bengals totally nailed it with Traya Hendrickson,

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Speaker 1: Uh, well said, I can't thank you enough. By the way,

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Speaker 1: one more ready for it?

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Speaker 3: Go?

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Speaker 2: How about those Bearcats?

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Speaker 3: Should we just leave it there? Do we go to

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we're gonna have to. Well, well, well

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Speaker 1: that's a discussion for another day. I can't thank you

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Speaker 1: enough now, you and a lot going on. Appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: We'll do it again soon.

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Speaker 3: Thanks so much, absolutely, thanks so much for having me on.

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