1 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: This is Tony Pike, Cincy three sixty about Cincinnati. 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 2: From Cincinnati. This is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports station. 3 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: Our number two is here. Let's dive right in. Let's 4 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: talk more college basketball. As the calendar gets ready to 5 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: turn to March. NKU starts to play their best basketball 6 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: seeming the year in and year out. Let's talk Norse. 7 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: Let's talk some Xavier Musketeer basketball and college hoops in general, 8 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: with our guy Rick Bryn joining us right now. 9 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 3: What's up Rick? 10 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 2: Talk about? Are you having me on to talk about 11 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 2: the big news? 12 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 1: What do you you want to talk about? Doug Gottlieb, 13 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: Is that what you're talking about? 14 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 2: No? The big news out of Highland hips last night? 15 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: Did you not hear mo Agger courtside? 16 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 2: Yeah? The NKU administration took a vote and they decided 17 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 2: that the iheard guy they want representing the NORSE going 18 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 2: for Austin. 19 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 3: Wow, what a turn of events. 20 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 2: It's amazing, massive, massive game last night in Island Heights, 21 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 2: easy one to get to on a Wednesday evening, and 22 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 2: Austin Elmore is nowhere to be found. Tony, I couldn't 23 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 2: believe that. 24 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:17,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that just a couple of years ago, 25 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 3: Moe was ejected from sitting courtside at an n KU 26 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 3: game to now being the the delegated member. I mean, 27 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 3: it's it's impressive comeback player of the year moegar huge. 28 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: I mean this, this is massive news right now that 29 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: we're hearing and and again you have to question where 30 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:40,119 Speaker 1: has Austin been? What has been more important? 31 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 2: Jar? You tell me, I don't know, Like I'm not 32 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:45,759 Speaker 2: you know, I'm behind the scenes. I'm in a media role. 33 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 2: But like, if you're a fan of a team that 34 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 2: is fighting for its life. Five seed host a home 35 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 2: first round game in the Horizon League Tournament and you 36 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 2: gotta must win at home against pretty far Wayne, you 37 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 2: would think Ale, like Austin Elmore would be there. 38 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 3: I don't know, that's a great point, you would think. 39 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: I'm sure that's something that Darren Horn has addressed and 40 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: it's now something that this team has to overcome to 41 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:13,119 Speaker 1: move forward. And they've done that. They had the five 42 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: game losing streak, They've now won three in a row. 43 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:18,639 Speaker 1: What's been different with this basketball team? 44 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 2: Rick? You know, it's funny because we've talked about it 45 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 2: throughout the I've talked once or twice with you guys, 46 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 2: and then Mo has gone every Wednesday, and we seemingly 47 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 2: through about a month long stretch, maybe even longer than that. 48 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 2: It was like, you know, is this team going to 49 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 2: be able to figure out how to close games out defensively? 50 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 2: Can they get the stops they need to win some 51 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 2: of these closed games in the Horizon League. And they've 52 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 2: started to do that, and then last night, not only 53 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,519 Speaker 2: did they do that, they didn't need that at the 54 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 2: end of the game. They were doing it early on. 55 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 2: They were getting big plays defensively in the first half. 56 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,079 Speaker 2: That's at the tone. And then there was a middle 57 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 2: part of the second half where they had a twelve 58 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 2: point lead and within forty seconds pretty four wing and 59 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 2: hit back to back threes. They cut it down to six, 60 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 2: and you kind of get that, I'll know, here we go, 61 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,239 Speaker 2: this is gonna be another wild ride to the finished 62 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 2: type feeling. But the Norse had a great answer for 63 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 2: it on both ends of the floor. They extended their 64 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 2: lead right back to double digits and they closed it out. 65 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 2: So you know, they've been getting good contributions from from 66 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 2: some role guys like Kay Josher, who had fifteen rebounds 67 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 2: in last night's game, and he's had two made threes 68 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 2: in each of the last five games, at least two 69 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 2: mad threes in each of the last five games, And 70 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 2: I think that's been big for them. But the biggest 71 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 2: thing is just what we've been talking about all year 72 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 2: with the defense. It seems like they've finally been able 73 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 2: to marry the explosive scoring on the offensive end with 74 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 2: shutting down the other team in key moments when when 75 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 2: it's clutch time, and they've been much better at that. 76 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,839 Speaker 1: You mentioned the importance of last night's game, three more 77 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: games remaining. Talk about the Horizon League tournament itself and 78 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: why that seeding and where k you was trying to 79 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: get to is so important. 80 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, if you get a top five seed this year, 81 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 2: you get to host first round game, and yeah, that's 82 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 2: what MK used battling for right now. It's always just 83 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 2: big to get that opportunity to before you everyone goes 84 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 2: to Indy for the semi finals and finals. And actually 85 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 2: now this year there's an extra play in game on 86 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 2: Sunday night, so the two lowest seeded teams still in 87 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 2: the tournament. So in theory, it would be like the 88 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 2: four and five seed if everything goes Chalk. They will 89 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 2: be playing on Sunday night before the semi finals for 90 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 2: the honors to play the one seed there in the semis. 91 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 2: So it's a big deal to at least have a 92 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 2: good opportunity to win that first game and get the 93 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 2: first one at home instead of going on the road. 94 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 2: I mean, there's all types of scenarios still out there 95 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 2: for NKU. It's so tightly bunched up from third all 96 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 2: the way down to like seventh right now in the conference, 97 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:49,840 Speaker 2: just like a game and a half separating everybody, seemingly 98 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 2: so any every round of games for the league, it 99 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 2: seems to jumble the rankings back up. So there's still 100 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 2: a lot of scenarios still in play. MKU I believe 101 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 2: could still put them go on the road to as 102 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 2: far as Green Bay, or they could be hosting a 103 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 2: first round game. So a lot still at stake in 104 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:07,919 Speaker 2: these final three games. And there's been a lot of 105 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 2: parody of the league this year, so it should be entertaining. 106 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: If you do go on the road to Green Bay. 107 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: Do you think Doug Gottlie will be coaching in that 108 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 1: game or facing another suspension? 109 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 3: Good question. 110 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 2: Hey, I'll say this, I'm glad Doug said it like 111 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 2: I'm glad someone at NK you didn't have to say it, because, 112 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 2: quite honestly, he's right. He's right. The officiating has been 113 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 2: bad this year and his technical that he got, we 114 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 2: have the audience like that that's been posted online now 115 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 2: clear audio is nothing, nothing that would warrant a technical foul. 116 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 2: And you know, it's a hard job to be an official, 117 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 2: especially in this day and age. But the one thing 118 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 2: that I would tell the Horizon League officials that they 119 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 2: should do a much better job of that you see 120 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 2: at the higher level conferences is quit worrying so much 121 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 2: about dealing with the coaches. You can't have rabbit years. 122 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:57,559 Speaker 2: You can't go back and forth with them and argue 123 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 2: and fight. You can't get sensitive and t them up 124 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 2: because as they called you out or actually exposed you 125 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 2: on a bad call, you just have to let that 126 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 2: roll off your back a little bit more. And they 127 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 2: seem to do a bad job with that part of 128 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 2: it administering the game. So quite honestly, yes, Doug was 129 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 2: probably a little too passionate calling out that the supervisor 130 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 2: of officials for the league was a bold choice, certainly 131 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 2: dropping f bombs was a bold choice pounding the todium 132 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 2: like that, But he wasn't wrong about anything he said, 133 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 2: in fact that it needed to be said. 134 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: Three games remaining. Their next game at Youngstown State, if 135 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: they do secure that first round home game, is that 136 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: a game that potentially k you would even want Austin 137 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 1: Elmore to attend at this point or since he's not 138 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:40,359 Speaker 1: been there, do you just want him to stay away. 139 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 2: Austin Elmore has been a flag carrier for the North throughout, 140 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 2: has been here, he has been He's always going to 141 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 2: be our guy. But it is I can't deny the 142 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,359 Speaker 2: fact that there were a lot of conversations last night 143 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 2: about like where is Audie? It's a big night, did 144 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 2: the stars were out? You've got no sitting courtside. He's 145 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 2: a noted ud alum U s fan and he's there 146 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 2: to take. 147 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: Yesterday talking about one to go to a UC baseball game. 148 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 3: I didn't say that yesterday. I said that this morning today. 149 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. 150 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 3: I mean it's a part of a thing to promote 151 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 3: the radio station that I work for. 152 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: I get it. 153 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 3: So I mean try to turn around on me all 154 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 3: you can. I've been to plenty of Norse games. I 155 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 3: mean people forget I was the guy who was it 156 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 3: was just me. People forget it was it was just 157 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 3: me standing outside the bathroom at Malett Hall interviewing John 158 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 3: Brannon just a couple of years ago when I was 159 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 3: in college. So you know, I've I've been through it, 160 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 3: and I will be back. I might be back sooner 161 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 3: rather than later. But I appreciate that everybody is worried about. 162 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 2: All I know is there's one home game left in 163 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 2: the regular season. It's against Wright State. You know how 164 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 2: we feel about that, Austin, So you know we'd love 165 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 2: to have you. We'd love to have you. Now. 166 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 3: Typically I go to that game every year. Sometimes I 167 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 3: go up to the Nuthouse. Sometimes they go down to 168 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 3: the Truist, but I'm typically there. 169 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: We'll see what happens. 170 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 3: Wow, that needs that. This is unbelievable, So courtside again, thanks, Rick, 171 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 3: appreciate that. 172 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 2: I will find you a ticket. Let me put it 173 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 2: that way. I will get you a ticket. 174 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: Uh Rick, Let me ask you about the Musketeers as well. 175 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: I know you talked to me about this yesterday and 176 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: another heartbreaking loss and the decision you want to get 177 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: the ball to Trey Carroll late, But do you want 178 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: Trey Carroll being the one that's that's handling the ball. 179 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: It's a hard situation because Trey Carroll has literally done 180 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 1: everything that this team has needed and more this year. 181 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,679 Speaker 1: But at what point do you stop if you're a 182 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 1: Xavier fan saying, man, they're playing well, they're just coming 183 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: up on the wrong side, because I know you view 184 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: this season a little bit differently Richard Patino's first year, 185 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: how the roster came together. I'm not saying to throw 186 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 1: away year, but you're learning a lot about this year. 187 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 1: But at some point the close losses had to become 188 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: a little frustrated fans. 189 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I have no doubt that it gets hard 190 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 2: to watch your team lose games in heartbreaking fashion, game 191 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 2: after game. You know, the good things is at this 192 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 2: point you probably are a little desensitized to it because 193 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 2: you're not really playing for anything. You're kind of playing 194 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 2: out the string on a season that's going nowhere, and 195 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 2: you know, hopefully you're playing better basketball, which I do 196 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 2: think they are, and maybe you can scare some teams 197 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 2: in the biggest tournament. The likelihood of them winning the 198 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 2: biggest tournament seems not good at all, So I just, yeah, 199 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 2: I think it's like you're kind of just playing out 200 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 2: the string more or less, and so I don't think 201 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 2: these games are as heartbreaking because of that, but it 202 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 2: is still hard to watch. That was an entertaining game. 203 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 2: It was a lot of fun action. There were some 204 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 2: big time shots being made on both sides. And you 205 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 2: know that that Tray Harrold thing is tough because it's 206 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 2: like both things can be true that he cost you 207 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 2: the game. You couldn't win with him playing the way 208 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 2: he did with six turnovers and the big turnover at 209 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 2: the end that everyone's talking about. At the same time, 210 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 2: you're not in that game without Trey Carroll and you 211 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 2: don't have any of the success that you've had this 212 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 2: year without Trey Carroll. So it's just the reality of 213 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 2: having a roster that isn't well enough constructed, you know. 214 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 2: And like you said, it was an impossible situation for 215 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 2: the coaching staff coming in that first year. They just 216 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 2: don't have the firepower they need, especially in those late 217 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 2: game situations. You'd like to have another playmaker that you 218 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 2: could put the ball in their hands and say, go 219 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:29,199 Speaker 2: do something for us, or create something to set a 220 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 2: guy like Trey Carroll up. More instead of having to 221 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,199 Speaker 2: put it all on his shoulders. But yeah, it's it's 222 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 2: definitely been a frustrating season at the same time, but 223 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 2: it was a fun game to watch if you're at 224 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:40,199 Speaker 2: the Centa Center. 225 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:41,199 Speaker 1: And there's been a lot of those. There's been a 226 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: lot of fun games. They've just unfortunately come out on 227 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: the wrong side of too many of them, and that 228 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: to me, this is the most interesting part. Now you 229 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: mentioned kind of playing out the string before this era 230 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:54,079 Speaker 1: of college basketball, there's a lot you're playing for retention. 231 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: You know what players are going to develop and make 232 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 1: a difference next year. You got five games remaining before 233 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 1: the Big East Tournament, but you're gonna have so much 234 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,839 Speaker 1: roster turnover as well. Trey Carroll's not going to be back. 235 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: Do you what do you use the last five for 236 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: if you're a coach in today's world? Because Richard Patino 237 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: did not want to talk about the transfer portal after 238 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 1: the Villanova loss. He did not want to talk about 239 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: anything except this team. How difficult does that become when 240 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: you're playing out the stretch with a lot of guys 241 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:23,839 Speaker 1: that aren't going to be back next year. 242 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:26,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, don't I know? And I was the one who 243 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 2: asked him about the BORI did not go well for me. 244 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 1: I thought it was one of your better questions. 245 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 2: Hey, thank you. Someone did that and that makes one 246 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 2: of us, you know, I'm I agree with you, Tony. 247 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 2: It is a tough situation now because as much as 248 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 2: you want to recite the cliches of like, yeah, build 249 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 2: towards next year, and and in theory, they did build 250 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:49,319 Speaker 2: this roster with the idea that like, hey, we're over 251 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 2: paying maybe some younger guys weren't quite ready with the 252 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 2: hope that they're going to develop and we'll be able 253 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 2: to retain them and build some continuity going into our 254 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 2: second year as a staff. But at the same time, 255 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 2: when you're in this current era, all of those guys 256 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 2: could walk after this year if they want to. There's 257 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 2: no real contract or anything that can hold them in 258 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 2: place at this point. And even if that's not the case, 259 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 2: based on what's happened so far this year, how many 260 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 2: of those guys do you feel like a are real 261 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 2: impact players for next season? I guess that's what it 262 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:24,679 Speaker 2: really comes down to. And I know five games isn't 263 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 2: a lot of time, but you have started to see 264 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 2: some flashes from a guy like Anthony Robinson. They were 265 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 2: playing pop Enji a lot of those backup center minutes. 266 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 2: Now those minutes have gone to Anthony Robinson down the stretch. 267 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 2: Here is he going to show enough down the stretch 268 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 2: that you're you feel good about bringing him back next year, 269 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 2: that you feel good about his market value and how 270 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 2: much he should cost you going in next year. I 271 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 2: think that's probably what it is more than anything, is 272 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 2: you are evaluating for how much you want to pay 273 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 2: the guys that you're considering keeping, and then you go 274 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 2: into negotiation time with their agent after the season ends. 275 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:02,079 Speaker 1: You know what I think interesting? Even though he downplayed 276 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 1: the question, you kind of have to already be looking 277 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 1: at the portal. You have to already be doing your research. 278 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: Everyone is doing it at this point. But what I 279 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: respect is the fact that Richard Patino said, while I 280 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: respect the question, I'm not there yet. How would you 281 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: have responded if maybe Richard Patino took more of a 282 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:19,559 Speaker 1: Mike Cronin approach to your question. 283 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 2: Well, I wouldn't have raised my voice, that's for sure. 284 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: Would you want to be known as the worst question 285 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:26,839 Speaker 1: that anyone's ever asked a coach? 286 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean I might be. I might be based 287 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 2: on the way it was I was responded to those, 288 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 2: but yeah, I h I think that sometimes your job 289 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 2: is to ask stupid questions. As a journalist, people get 290 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 2: like way too worked up in the ego of coaches 291 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 2: and protecting them in these situations and stuff like that. 292 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 2: And don't get me wrong, there are some really bad 293 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 2: press conferences. We have to sit through some really dumb 294 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 2: questions being asked. But sometimes the job that we're in 295 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 2: is to get the answer to the stupid question that 296 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 2: the fans want to know. Yes, you know it's not 297 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 2: we sometimes know it's not the best question in the world, 298 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 2: but like it's what the storyline is for the fan 299 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 2: base at that time, and so you have to ask it. 300 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:06,319 Speaker 2: And then, quite honestly, the reason I asked Richard Patino 301 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 2: on that night is because the past two Coaches shows 302 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 2: that he's done on the radio, he's talked about his 303 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 2: staff is already having meetings talking about the portal and 304 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 2: evaluating guys and figure out what they're going to do. 305 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 2: I found that to be interesting, so I was hoping 306 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 2: maybe he would expand upon that after another close loss, 307 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 2: because I'm sitting there looking at It's like, man, after 308 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 2: all those close losses, I'd be making a laundry list 309 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 2: of things that, like we ain't going to go in 310 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 2: the next year without a playmaker, ain't going to go 311 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 2: in the next year without a center and you know 312 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 2: what I mean, Like I'd be just listing off the 313 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 2: things that that we're going to prioritize on the portal. 314 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 2: But I certainly understand that not wanting to throw your 315 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 2: guys under the bus or feel like you're moving on 316 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 2: after a tight game like that? Awesome? 317 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: Did that sound to you like Rick was raising his 318 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: voice a little bit there, just a little bit. Everybody 319 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: heard it. Did you hear that? 320 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 2: Bro? 321 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 3: We all heard this one. This is a motion we 322 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 3: all heard. 323 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 2: Thank you, I do. It's not good for me. 324 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: I know it's it's early in the process still, but 325 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: we always talk about expectations and and how this year 326 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: was perceived by a lot of Xavier fans and those 327 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: covering the team. How quickly and how vastly different did 328 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: those expectations change now going into year number two for 329 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: Richard Patino, Oh, it'll be huge. 330 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 2: I mean, there's just no way, especially with the fan 331 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 2: base in this era. I don't know if it's reality, 332 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 2: I don't know if they can be guaranteed to just 333 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 2: be able to turn this around in two years when 334 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 2: you're getting an entire roster, and by the way, like 335 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 2: you're in the Big East where you didn't necessarily have 336 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 2: the big best resources anyways, so it was always going 337 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 2: to be an uphill climb to get back towards the 338 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 2: top of the Big East and everything after a few 339 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 2: years where you were there with Chris mac But I 340 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 2: think that it's going to be a really interesting offseason 341 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 2: and year two with the Xavier fan base because that 342 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 2: expectation word is a fun one. This year, they were 343 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 2: willing to let things slide and they understand the record 344 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 2: is what it is. But you're absolutely right, Tony, it's 345 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 2: going to be completely different next year and and they 346 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 2: won't have any understanding or sympathy for the situation anymore. 347 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 2: And that's where we'll see where this thing goes from there. 348 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: And you mentioned his radio show. I thought he was 349 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: very open on his radio show recently talking about kind 350 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: of the four pillars of hey, we need more money. 351 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: You know a lot of coaches and then people think it, 352 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 1: here's a coach in year one going through a season 353 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: where they have five wins right now in the Big East, 354 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: but very openly talking about, hey, if we want to 355 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: turn this around, this is kind of the prerequisite now 356 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: of what's needed going forward. 357 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. The one thing that is really enjoyable about dealing 358 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 2: with Richard Patino and hearing him talk is he is 359 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 2: very straightforward and honest about that type of stuff. He 360 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 2: doesn't put any fluff around it or sugar coated to 361 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 2: make you feel better about it. And let's face it, 362 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 2: a lot of fans don't want to hear that, especially 363 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 2: in a year where you're losing a lot of games. 364 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 2: They don't want to hear you continually asking them for money. 365 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 2: But he says, like, this is a reality, and he's right, like, 366 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 2: you're going to have to pay for the best roster 367 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 2: if you want to compete. And that doesn't mean you 368 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 2: have to be Kentucky and spend twenty two million, but 369 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 2: you are going to have to be competitive with the 370 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 2: top teams at the high major level if you want 371 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 2: to want to be at that spot. And this past year, 372 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 2: Zavier clearly wasn't that, and there are a lot of 373 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 2: reasons for that. It was a very unique year in 374 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 2: the transfer portal that will never happen again because of 375 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:17,439 Speaker 2: the way the rules change when it went from the 376 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,679 Speaker 2: nil collectives paying them to the schools paying them, and 377 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,679 Speaker 2: that kind of overlap situation that happened before July first. 378 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 2: We don't have to get back into all of that, 379 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 2: but that's what really set this season up, in addition 380 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:30,959 Speaker 2: to the coaching change for Xavier. So it was it 381 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,479 Speaker 2: was a perfect storm of events. But you won't have 382 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 2: that to fall back on in your two I. 383 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:37,439 Speaker 1: Would be remiss not to ask you, and I know 384 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: it's not NKU or Xavier related, but the topic in 385 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: college basketball at least today has been Darren Peterson and 386 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 1: what he and how he has approached this season with Kansas, 387 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: and it's now a national conversation that's happening Rick quite frankly, 388 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: I for one, think Bill self needs to send a 389 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: message and sit Darren Peterson down for at least one game, 390 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: preferably the game on Saturday, and then get him ready 391 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: for Houston. With that being said, though, how do you 392 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: view is this kind of the landscape that is because 393 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: Cooper Flagg didn't sit out games last year, Deboncea's not 394 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,159 Speaker 1: sitting out games this year. Is this just a unique 395 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:13,360 Speaker 1: situation with Darren Peterson or do you view this as 396 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:15,719 Speaker 1: more of a problem going forward for college hoops. 397 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 2: Darren Pearson's a loser, Like, who in the world doesn't 398 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 2: think that right now? Who is watching what's playing out 399 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 2: and not thinking Darren Peterson is a bad teammate yep. 400 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 2: A selfish guy, a guy who's only about himself, Like 401 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 2: he is not helping himself in any way by doing this. 402 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 2: I don't understand the long term play by Darren Peterson. 403 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 2: If any now he's so talented, someone will still take 404 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 2: a chance on him. He can still have a great career. 405 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:45,639 Speaker 2: I'm not saying anything like that, but if anything, this 406 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 2: whole college season has done nothing but hurt his reputation 407 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 2: and potentially hurt his stock as a prospect. So I 408 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 2: don't understand what he's doing at all. On the flip side, 409 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 2: I don't feel bad for Bill selfon at all. This 410 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 2: has been one of the dumbiest coaches for years and years, 411 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 2: playing everybody off, getting the best roster list, and right like, 412 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 2: who's bothered by the fact that he has to deal 413 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 2: with the prima donna loser, Who's who's selfishing and create 414 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 2: during his team, and by the way, there's still gonna 415 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:13,159 Speaker 2: be like a two seed in the end. 416 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: Would you bench him ahead of Saturday's game? Would you 417 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:17,880 Speaker 1: bench him to send a message again? Would you bench 418 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: him Saturday to send a message. 419 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 2: For your sake? Sure? 420 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. 421 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 2: Don't play it. 422 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: That's all I needed. 423 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 2: Let him keep it within fifteen. 424 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: Rick, I, I was just say, I appreciate everything except 425 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: that last little jab there. 426 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 3: Glad to see I'm not the only one getting a jab. 427 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: N K you Horizon League tournament starts as early as 428 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 1: March second. A lot still going on with the Xavier Musketeers. 429 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:47,199 Speaker 1: How can folks follow along with uh? With everything you 430 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:49,640 Speaker 1: have going on with the college basketball season, including your 431 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 1: unbelievable calls next to Jim Couch with NKU basketball. 432 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I find me on Facebook or whatever. I just 433 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 2: have to go back to all. Do you just make 434 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 2: a vaccination joke? 435 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 3: No? No, I didn't said you got the jab? 436 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 2: I was like, what are you talking? 437 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,919 Speaker 3: It's your mind out of the gunner, dude, that's not 438 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 3: what I'm talking about. 439 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 2: Out of the gutter. I would think about COVID. I 440 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:09,679 Speaker 2: just thought like, what a what a reference. We're going 441 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 2: back to twenty twenty. 442 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 3: Now, yeah, that's not that's it's not that's not true. 443 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 2: All right, Well, good luck with your jab boys on Facebook. 444 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: Check out Rick on Facebook. Rick, thanks a lot, Thanks Rick, 445 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: the reverend, the reverend, he was ready to go today. 446 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: I always think last night, I always realized that, you know, 447 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,400 Speaker 1: we're we're weeks removed from Darren Horn kind of going 448 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:34,880 Speaker 1: to bat for you, according to Rick, And now that's 449 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 1: changing apparently. 450 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 3: I don't think that anybody's gone to bat for me. 451 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:41,120 Speaker 3: I don't. I don't know that I think about it. 452 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 1: Who's who's it's been. I don't who's the two and 453 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: four hole hitter around you in the three hole outside 454 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 1: of protecting you, outside. 455 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 3: Of my parents and my closest friends. I don't know if, if, 456 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,120 Speaker 3: if anyone has gone to bat for me anytime recently. 457 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 1: Brorian's off that list. 458 00:20:58,240 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 2: Now. 459 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 1: I didn't realize Moe was court side good Stuf