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Speaker 2: Check All State first for a quote today, You're in

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Speaker 2: It's been Tuesday ends up being all right, I'm caught

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Speaker 2: today here on Twin Cities News Talk Am eleven thirty

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Speaker 2: and one oh three five FM. My name is John Justice,

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Speaker 2: and I'm glad you're with the show once again. I

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Speaker 1: Although windy is all get out, it was warm. It

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna drive in drive in today David Gartensteiner OZ

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Speaker 2: will be joining us at six point thirty. A couple

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Speaker 2: So with that, we'll talk with David because he has

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Speaker 2: a lot of experience with insurgency groups overseas counter terrorism,

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Speaker 4: God thanks for pointing out that the sky is not

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Speaker 1: It's simple as.

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Speaker 2: That, Thank you, Scott. With shifting dynamics comes shifting solutions.

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Speaker 3: Hi Sean, I can steal carry in Minnesota too and

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Speaker 5: A bunch of already stressed, overworked men and women armed

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Speaker 2: That's a place on Friday. No one's even talking about

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Speaker 2: That might be the case, and this is what we'll

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Speaker 7: Good morning, and I love your show.

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Speaker 9: I say this to someone who did not support what

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Speaker 9: The fact that this hasn't been quelled indefinite is absolutely inexcusable.

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Speaker 2: I'm less critical on this not being dealt with yet

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Speaker 1: Again, highly organized, well trained.

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Speaker 2: They've have manuals, well equipped, and the dynamics on the

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Speaker 1: Good morning, Devid. How are we doing?

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Speaker 10: Good morning?

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Speaker 1: John's get to join you. I'm doing well. I want

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Speaker 2: I have been asking listeners to leave us any questions

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Speaker 2: with a couple of questions for you, David, and we'll

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is pet Dove.

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Speaker 7: Who is the question?

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Speaker 7: You know, I use a AI colayer that I bounce between.

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Speaker 2: A little hard to hear there, Dev, But did you

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Speaker 10: I actually had no trouble hearing PW's okay question, So

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Speaker 7: Pay for it.

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Speaker 2: Let's use AI to get into a bit of what's

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Speaker 1: Now I see this on Facebook all the time, David.

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Speaker 10: dealing with large language models. Remember that AI right now,

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Speaker 10: it's not a logic model, like it has some logic

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Speaker 10: embedded within it, but it's really optimized to chat with

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Speaker 10: us and to speak like a human being speaks. It

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Speaker 10: embodies human being biases, and everyone knows for text, it

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Speaker 10: will hallucinate, right. If it doesn't know an answer, it's

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Speaker 10: going to make up an answer, and it might insist

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Speaker 10: on the answer for a long time to come. The

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Speaker 10: same dynamic is true in pictures, and for some reason

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Speaker 10: people think that an AI enhanced picture is going to

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Speaker 10: be more accurate or provide some details or pull back

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Speaker 10: some secrets that you don't get in an untouched photo.

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Speaker 10: But that's not the case for an AI enhanced photo,

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Speaker 10: it will still make things up to the same degree

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Speaker 10: that it will make things up in a normal chat

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Speaker 10: with you. So definitely buyer beware, and I would not

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Speaker 10: trust any photograph that's AI enhanced. Enhanced is just another

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Speaker 10: word for manipulated.

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Speaker 2: Well, and actually, now that I think about a Davide,

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Speaker 2: I remember one of the first examples of this and

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Speaker 2: where AI failed was after the assassination last year of

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Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk, where they said that they had footage from

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Speaker 2: the you know, from the surveillance cameras around the around

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Speaker 2: the school, and they were having AI go and enhance them,

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Speaker 2: creating a clear image of what this person allegedly looked like.

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Speaker 2: And of course, you know, there was no follow up

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Speaker 2: going back to those photos. There never is, but if

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Speaker 2: you go back and look at those photos, it clearly

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Speaker 2: looked nothing like the individual that is now sitting behind

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Speaker 2: bars who has been alleged to be responsible for that shooting.

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Speaker 10: Just as another example, yeah, AIS record in figuring out

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Speaker 10: perpetrators has been horrible in terms of civilian uses, even

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Speaker 10: when there's been AI that was designed to do just that.

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Speaker 10: You know, in the wake of the shooting at Brown University,

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Speaker 10: some people may have saw that an alleged perpetrator was

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Speaker 10: identified and using what's called gate analysis and gait being

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Speaker 10: someone's style of work, and.

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Speaker 1: It was completely wrong.

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Speaker 10: And the AI was actually designed to identify people based

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Speaker 10: on the way that they walked. So right now it

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Speaker 10: is as faulty as can be in terms of providing

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Speaker 10: real insight. Now, there are other uses of AI, government

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Speaker 10: uses and the like, which have a much greater accuracy percentage,

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Speaker 10: But right now we're expecting AI to have powers that

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Speaker 10: it doesn't have, and often people are putting trust in

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Speaker 10: it that they should not be putting in it.

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Speaker 2: So I guess I'll ask the question, do you think

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Speaker 2: that AI will be more will be able to do

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Speaker 2: what people are attempting to do with it?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 2: Will it eventually be intelligent to the point where it

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Speaker 2: could have a level of credibility in enhancing photos like

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Speaker 2: this as that technology maybe exist, but the average public

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Speaker 2: doesn't have their hands on it.

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Speaker 1: What do you think? So the answer is yes, it

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Speaker 1: will be able to do that. And I suspect, like

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Speaker 1: I haven't gone and.

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Speaker 10: Played around with highly classified artificial intelligence. I suspect that

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Speaker 10: there is AI like military or intelligence grade AI that

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Speaker 10: can do at least some of this. Now, the problem

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Speaker 10: is even going forward, like five years, how will people

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Speaker 10: be able to tell that which is manipulated from that

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Speaker 10: which is providing good insight, assuming that it's not kind

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Speaker 10: of freely available commercial grade. This gets into us sort

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Speaker 10: of trusting magicians. So I think that ten years ago

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Speaker 10: you and I were talking about stuff that we're dealing

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Speaker 10: with now. You and I were talking, like you remember

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Speaker 10: the first time you heard the word deep fake as

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Speaker 10: the one who told you the word yep, and I

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Speaker 10: talked about how people wouldn't be able to tell the

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Speaker 10: difference between real video and video made by AI. When

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Speaker 10: it comes to AI providing insight, that's another leap, because

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Speaker 10: that's not trusting our own eyes or knowing what actually happened.

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Speaker 10: It's understanding what enhancements provide real insight versus those that

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Speaker 10: are deceiving us. And that gets into a level of

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Speaker 10: technical sophistication that the average person is not going to have.

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Speaker 10: So it'll create a world that is even more confusing

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Speaker 10: than today's.

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Speaker 1: Talking with Devid Gartzenstein Ross.

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Speaker 2: Now, typically over the course of our recent conversation, in

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Speaker 2: the past year, we've been focused on artificial intelligence but

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Speaker 2: you and I first met as you were just mentioning

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Speaker 2: and first began our discussions because of your expertise as

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Speaker 2: being a counter terrorism expert. And I want to talk

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Speaker 2: to you, and we've talked about this before in the

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Speaker 2: past when discussing situations in volatile regions overseas. I'm looking

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Speaker 2: at a post here from a retired Green Beret who

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Speaker 2: writes this regarding what's happening right now in Minneapolis. He says,

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Speaker 2: what's unfolding isn't a protest, It's a low level insurgency

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Speaker 2: infrastructure built by people who have clearly studied the playbook.

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Speaker 2: Signal groups at one thousand member cap per zone, dedicated roles,

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Speaker 2: mobile chasers, plate to checkers, logging vehicle data, shared databases,

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Speaker 2: twenty four to seven dispatch nodes, vectoring assets, salute style

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Speaker 2: reporting size, activity, location, unit time, equipment on suspected vehicles.

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Speaker 2: The list goes on and on. First question I have is,

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Speaker 2: can you give us the real simple version of what

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Speaker 2: makes the signal app or the tool that they're using

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Speaker 2: unique to groups that go and utilize it this way?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, and let me put a caveat out at the beginning,

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Speaker 10: just so everyone understands this. Our conversation is not misread

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Speaker 10: in talking about my background as a terrorism expert. Like obviously,

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Speaker 10: John is not saying that these are terrorists on the streets. Instead,

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Speaker 10: what he is pointing to is I've studied a variety

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Speaker 10: of non state actors and their techniques and procedures, ranging

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Speaker 10: from protest movements to insurgent movements and the like. And

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Speaker 10: the technique we're using here actually I first saw it

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Speaker 10: in the context of revolutions in the Arab Spring revolutions

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Speaker 10: twenty eleven, and we can talk about that background. But

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Speaker 10: in terms of what makes this app powerful, it's the

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Speaker 10: fact that it's an encrypted app. Encryption is designed to

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Speaker 10: make sure that as you communicate, others cannot break in

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Speaker 10: and see what you are saying. It's possible to break encryption,

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Speaker 10: but it takes a long time to do. Signal is

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Speaker 10: a very secure encrypted app which can allow large groups

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Speaker 10: tot and coordinate and to find locations they want to

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Speaker 10: go to and to surveil and the like. That is

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Speaker 10: the purpose of encryption and why it's being used here.

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Speaker 2: And can this be access and used just by every

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Speaker 2: you know, my average individuals like can I go and

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Speaker 2: set something up, set something up and have a group

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Speaker 2: chat with individuals, or does it require some working knowledge

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Speaker 2: of how to utilize it.

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Speaker 10: No, Signal is very easy to download. It's just another app.

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Speaker 10: All you do is log in and it gives you

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Speaker 10: so texts are not encrypted. You know, they're somewhat secure,

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Speaker 10: but not really. You know, it's not difficult for someone

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Speaker 10: to read your texts. In contrast, Signal is highly encrypted.

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Speaker 10: It's considered relatively secure. The US government and the Chinese

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Speaker 10: and others will not be reading your Signal texts anytime soon.

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Speaker 2: Have you seen circumstances before in the past where you

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Speaker 2: had an or organization going and utilizing something like what

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Speaker 2: we are being told we're seeing on the ground. You

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Speaker 2: have some independent reporters that have been posting online videos

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Speaker 2: essentially showing how they alleged to have infiltrated these Signal

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Speaker 2: group chats, and you know, it bears credibility because there's

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Speaker 2: a lot of things that align with real world events

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Speaker 2: that they're pointing to. And I'm just wondering if you've

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Speaker 2: seen this used domestically in the way that it appears

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Speaker 2: it's being used now by this group here in Minneapolis.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, one area where I've seen it used domestically is Portland, Oregon.

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Speaker 10: You remember there was this period where protesters, some of

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Speaker 10: whom were associated with you know, Antifa, shutdown City Hall

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Speaker 10: for an extended period and a lot of other kind

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Speaker 10: of fighting on the streets of Oregon and the like.

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Speaker 10: Some of those in Oregon explicitly consider themselves to be

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Speaker 10: part of a revolutionary movement. I read a fairly long

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Speaker 10: study about this, but we don't know all of the details,

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Speaker 10: but we do know that signal was used there to

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Speaker 10: coordinate movements and the like. A second area where we

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Speaker 10: actually see encrypted chats used a lot to coordinate is

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Speaker 10: standard flash bobs, including smash and grabs. I'm sure people

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Speaker 10: have seen videos of different stores where you have this

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Speaker 10: large group come in, swarm the store, take things, and

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Speaker 10: then disperse and run away, and typically speaking that many

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Speaker 10: of those, not all of them, but many of those

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Speaker 10: are coordinated using encrypted chats. It's a good way of

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Speaker 10: allowing you to coordinate massing on a location and then

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Speaker 10: dispersing from the location facing little consequence for what you've done. There.

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Speaker 1: We have a comment that's coming too.

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Speaker 2: The iHeartRadio app here on Twin Cities News Talk as

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Speaker 2: we continue our conversation with David Gartenstein, Ross, the.

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Speaker 7: We've got the United States government that all its resources

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Speaker 7: behind us, why couldn't they put their cybersecurity experts on

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Speaker 7: it and crack that thing, or at least get a

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Speaker 7: find a back door into it to monitor it.

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Speaker 2: I suppose we don't know if that's happening. I assume

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Speaker 2: the government would be able to go and do that

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Speaker 2: if other individuals have been able to crack into it.

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Speaker 1: D V do you have any thoughts on that?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, So the answer is I agree with you that

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Speaker 10: certainly they have people on that. The thing is, if

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Speaker 10: you haven't broken the encryption, and the US government has

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Speaker 10: not broken signal encryption, and nor would we actually want

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Speaker 10: it to for a variety of reasons. We can get

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Speaker 10: into the specifics of breaking encryption, but if your chat,

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Speaker 10: if you have someone in your chat who's not trustworthy,

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Speaker 10: you can begin another encrypted chat right with a channel

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Speaker 10: where you have more people who you trust. So the

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Speaker 10: answer is the US government is certainly trying to do that,

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Speaker 10: and I'm sure that there is a degree of success,

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Speaker 10: especially given when journalists have been able to infiltrate it.

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Speaker 10: But that means that new chats will be created. So

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Speaker 10: it's you know, the standard story of surveillance where people

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Speaker 10: when they realize that a channel of communication has been compromised,

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Speaker 10: they move to a new channel.

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Speaker 2: This is along the similar lines. But I'll go ahead

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Speaker 2: and have the uh, I'm planning to talk back for you, David.

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Speaker 2: But again it's similar to what you were just saying.

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Speaker 11: Good morning.

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Speaker 2: I got a question for David.

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Speaker 11: So is the government capable of doing a digital footprint

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Speaker 11: and track these perpetrators and all the stuff that they've

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Speaker 11: been doing and be able to prosecute that as evident entry?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 10: Absolutely. I mean the fact that you're using it an

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Speaker 10: encrypto chat doesn't mean that you don't have a digital footprint.

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Speaker 10: Among other things. You know, when you bring your cell

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Speaker 10: phone around, it leaves digital exhaust you know, if you

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Speaker 10: have Bluetooth on, that will give out numerous signals every minute.

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Speaker 10: So in terms of like the US government being able

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Speaker 10: to track, yeah, it is able to track people. Now again,

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Speaker 10: we can expect that there are some techniques that will

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Speaker 10: be used to try to reduce digital footprint. So I'm

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Speaker 10: certain that some people involved in this activity are using

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Speaker 10: burner phones, which we're probably paid for in cash and

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Speaker 10: they hope won't be associated with them. Again, there's ways

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Speaker 10: to trace that back not you know, so there's going

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Speaker 10: to be a large attempt to avoid digital footprint, avoid

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Speaker 10: surveillance that can later and other means of finding out

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Speaker 10: identity and movement that can later lead to prosecution. But

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Speaker 10: they're also our ways to break into that. There's something

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Speaker 10: which we'll see in courts, you know, probably weeks or

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Speaker 10: months from now, with some really interesting questions about the

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Speaker 10: state of the art in terms of digital and cyber surveillance.

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Speaker 2: Ta Vie Gartzenstein Ross again CEO and expert theory. As always,

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Speaker 2: thank you for your insight in time this morning. Really

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Speaker 2: enjoy the conversation and hopefully we can speak again next week.

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Speaker 2: But thank you for the day, devit. I really enjoyed it.

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Speaker 10: Likewise, thank you, John, talk to you next week.

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Speaker 1: All right, Coming up, we're going to continue with the theme.

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Speaker 2: I have audio yesterday of the White House Press Secretary

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Speaker 2: Caroline Levitt ripping Democrats for inciting left wing agitators and

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Speaker 2: crazy people against the Feds. Also, we'll continue to talk

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Speaker 2: about exactly what's taking place right now. You have Border

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Speaker 2: Patrol Commander Greg Bovino relieved of his post amid the

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Speaker 2: controversies here in Minnesota, conversations between Walls Fry and President

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump. And we'll also talk of Representative Elliott Ingen

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Speaker 2: as we continue to break down what's happening with this

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Speaker 2: group that's utilizing these signal chats and who may actually

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Speaker 2: be involved at the local level, maybe even at the

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Speaker 2: government level in these chats facilitating these protests taking place.

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Speaker 2: And of course we'll continue to hear from you from

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Speaker 2: the iHeartRadio app this morning here on Twin Cities News

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Speaker 2: Talking Am eleven thirty and one oh three five FM.

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Speaker 12: Good morning, Joe, I'm friend of the show. Glad to

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Speaker 12: hear you are thinking what I'm thinking. Also, yesterday it

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Speaker 12: was mentioned that Flanagan was part of this signal group

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Speaker 12: app that she was involved in this. Just wondering if

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Speaker 12: you have any clarification on that it was mentioned on

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Speaker 12: another show that she was involved.

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Speaker 2: I do not have confirmation on that this is this

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Speaker 2: something that we'll be talking about with Representative lat Ingen

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Speaker 2: when he enjoined us this morning at seven thirty here

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Speaker 2: on Twin City's News Talk.

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Speaker 1: But thank you so much for the comment