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Speaker 1: You want to be an a mad Here we go

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Speaker 1: Friday Morning Scott Flunds Show, seven hundred WLW. Before we

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Speaker 1: get into the fun stuff on Friday Morning's laid dude.

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Speaker 1: We got business to take care of, including this. The

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Speaker 1: City of Cincinnati's extending its contract with the law firm

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Speaker 1: here their independent Council Frost Brown Todd to review the

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Speaker 1: effectiveness of leadership within the Cincinnati Police Department of what.

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Speaker 1: You may recall that Chief Terry Thiji was suspended, not fired,

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Speaker 1: suspended back in October, and so they're going to do

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Speaker 1: an investigation. The city is and I guess we have

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Speaker 1: more investigating because the contrast was extended till the twenty eighth.

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Speaker 1: Of course that's tomorrow. They said we still need more time,

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Speaker 1: so we're going to give you another month. And the

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Speaker 1: problem with this is its costing taxpayer is more. The

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Speaker 1: third round, I guess is on the house. It was

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Speaker 1: nine thousand dollars to the extended play to tomorrow, and

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Speaker 1: so you're talking close to fifty grand. What's all said

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Speaker 1: and done, and again we have the issue here is

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Speaker 1: you fired someone in chief, Terry Thiji, and now you

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Speaker 1: need months to figure out why you fired her in

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Speaker 1: the first place. FOP President Ken Kobra, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: How are you, brother, Hey Scott, Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so forty nine k Diji's still on paid administrative leave.

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Speaker 1: She's still getting paid her two hundred and three thousand

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Speaker 1: dollars salary. I don't know if Henny got a bump.

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Speaker 1: I'd imagine he was as interim chief. This is costing

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Speaker 1: a ton of money.

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Speaker 2: Sure it is. Not only is it costing the taxpayers

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Speaker 2: a lot of money, there's a lot of uncertainty right

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Speaker 2: now in the police department. It's something that the men

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Speaker 2: and women of this department are owed to know who's

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Speaker 2: going to be in charge of this place and who's

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Speaker 2: going to be in charge permanently. And the longer they

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Speaker 2: drag it along, the more uncertain it is of what's

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Speaker 1: And at what point does the investigation stop being to

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Speaker 1: search for answers and clause and start being a way

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Speaker 1: to keep Fiji and Limbo indefinitely. I mean, if it

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Speaker 1: were clear cut, and typically when you get fired four

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Speaker 1: clause there's something that triggers that in your contracts. It's obvious,

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Speaker 1: and yet it's taking October November December January. We've got

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Speaker 1: five months of investigation and they still can't find out why.

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Speaker 1: What the hell's taken us along?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's a million dollar question. You think that

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Speaker 2: if you had just caused to fire somebody, you would

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Speaker 2: be so blatantly obvious to everybody to see that this

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Speaker 2: is why this is happening, and it's just not there.

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Speaker 2: They can't find anything. That's that's the whole problem with this.

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Speaker 2: It's nothing but a big scam to get rid of her,

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Speaker 2: and now they don't know what to do.

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Speaker 1: Does this undermine Adam Henny at this point? Because from

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Speaker 1: those I talked to outside of you, he seems like

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Speaker 1: a good guy. He's certainly qualified to be chief of

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Speaker 1: the City of Cincinnati. But this whole thing, as you

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Speaker 1: mentioned you alluded to Ken, it doesn't make his job easier.

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Speaker 1: There's only so much he can do because he's in

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Speaker 1: orm he doesn't have the full title. Yet it undermines

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Speaker 1: his authority and his ability to function, and therefore it

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Speaker 1: undermines the mission of cpd.

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Speaker 2: Oh without a doubt, you know, because like I said,

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Speaker 2: with him being just an interim, you're right, there's there's

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Speaker 2: permanent decisions that typically aren't made when you have an

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Speaker 2: interim chief. You know, it's not fair to him what's

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Speaker 2: sitting at home going, well, what are they going to do?

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Speaker 2: You know, is today the day that they're gonna fire me?

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Speaker 2: You know what is today to day that there's gonna

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Speaker 2: be some kind of conclusion And clearly that's not gonna

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Speaker 2: be the case because they've extended this yet another month.

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Speaker 1: Well, I know, Terry, you haven't spoken since she was fired,

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Speaker 1: and she's you know, obviously because that's the advice and counsel.

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Speaker 1: I get that whole thing, but I don't know for

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Speaker 1: me or anyone listening. You're like, Okay, I get two

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Speaker 1: hundred and three thousand dollars in full benefits and I

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Speaker 1: don't have to do anything. But at the end of

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Speaker 1: the day, you want some closure.

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Speaker 2: Well, sure, you know, and she's she's already done, you know,

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Speaker 2: her full career. You came back after she retired, so

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Speaker 2: it's not like this is about money for her. It's

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Speaker 2: not like it's about you know, I'm you know, I've

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Speaker 2: you know, this is something that she came back because

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Speaker 2: just everything's up in limbo and it's just not fair.

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Speaker 2: It's not how you treat somebody that's spent as many

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, they put her on leave before they

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Speaker 1: even hired a law firm to investigator. From your perspective,

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Speaker 1: what does that say about whether this is really ever

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Speaker 1: about due process?

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Speaker 2: Well, we know that it's not. You know, they for

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Speaker 2: whatever reason, they decided they were going to get rid

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Speaker 2: they're in in a spot where it's going to end

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Speaker 2: up costing them. And that's just we knew all along

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Speaker 2: that this wasn't about her effectiveness. This was they wanted

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Speaker 2: they did many times before.

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Speaker 1: The tipping point was and this happened right after the

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Speaker 1: Fountain Square shooting and the individual who shot fired those

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Speaker 1: weapons at City Bird turns out he's free now because

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Speaker 1: it was ruled self defense. Because the two individuals inside

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Speaker 1: both under age and both in under disability. Mean they

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Speaker 1: shouldn't have a gun fired at him from inside city?

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Speaker 1: Bird Chicken, how's that on the chief?

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Speaker 2: Exactly? It's not. You know, we still see that there's

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Speaker 2: there's still violence going on in this city. There's only

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Speaker 2: so much that the chief can do, There's only so

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Speaker 2: much that every uniform police officer can do. But to

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Speaker 2: try to put your crime stolely at the feet of

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Speaker 2: her is just not fair.

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Speaker 1: We know Ken Cober that share Long city manager sent

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Speaker 1: Chief DG an email in August that essentially ordered her

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Speaker 1: to clear all communications through the mayor's officeer go back

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Speaker 1: that far that started in August? Does the FLP do

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Speaker 1: you guys believe this investigation can truly be independent given

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Speaker 1: that context?

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Speaker 2: Now it's not. I mean it's in one investigation. I

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Speaker 2: mean you can go and look at her personnel file

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Speaker 2: and there's absolutely no discipline. And you would think if

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Speaker 2: if she was doing things that were so egregious that

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Speaker 2: get through me. That doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 1: This is an indictment of Adam Henny, the now interim chief,

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Speaker 1: But he was a command officer who signed a citation

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Speaker 1: what it was. You need to charge a white guy

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Speaker 1: in this thing because of propriety, even though Chief now

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Speaker 1: Chief Henny wasn't on the scene and he took he

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Speaker 1: found the sword for his officers, which I think endears

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Speaker 1: him to beat cops for sure, saying hey, listen, he's

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Speaker 1: the guy who did this knowing he shouldn't have done it.

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Speaker 1: But what does that tell you? Though not about Adam Henny,

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Speaker 1: but what does that tell you about who the administration

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know Adam was certainly put in a bad

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the comments that came out here when they appointed Frost,

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Speaker 1: Brown and Todd to extend this now for the third

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Speaker 1: time in order to find out why they fired Chief

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Speaker 1: Thiji back in October, they fired her or suspend her,

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Speaker 1: I should say, fired her, and now they're looking for

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Speaker 1: reasons why, and it's taking five months to do this.

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Speaker 1: The quote was I read with the broader goals and

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Speaker 1: brought her goals? Is that just them? It sounded to

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Speaker 1: me like when I read that quote, they're essentially asking

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Speaker 1: should that ever be grounds for firing a police chief.

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Speaker 2: No, it shouldn't. And this is where Issue five comes

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Speaker 2: into play. Deal where the chief only has so much perfection,

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Speaker 2: and that's the problem. It's become a politicized position where

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Speaker 2: if you don't get along with the people at city Hall,

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Speaker 2: even if you're doing the right thing, it's just something

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Speaker 2: they don't like, you know, then you're going to end

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Speaker 2: up facing these consequences. And that's that's that's why we've

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Speaker 2: had so many different chiefs over the last ten twelve years. Now.

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Speaker 1: Issue five was sold to the voters like an accountability measure,

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Speaker 1: but take us through that. For those who may not

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Speaker 1: recall what Issue fives is, how it plays in here,

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Speaker 1: describe that.

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Speaker 2: You know, prior to it was like twenty ten. You know,

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Speaker 2: the police chief and the fire chief as well. They

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Speaker 2: Issue five took that away to where they could hire

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Speaker 2: then became such a politicized position, because you're going to

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Speaker 2: do what I want you to do, or I'm going

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Speaker 2: to fire you. And we've seen in every major city

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Speaker 2: around this country the deal deals with the same thing.

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Speaker 2: They have a new police chief every couple of years

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Speaker 2: because you know, the honeymoon will wear off, and then

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden, the chief does something that's city

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Speaker 2: hall or city manager whoever doesn't like, and then they

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Speaker 2: get rid of them. And it's like that in every

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, Yeah, Ken Cober as president of the since the FOP,

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Speaker 1: Queen City Lodge and the City of Cincinnats extending their

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Speaker 1: contract with Frost Brown Todd here as their independent council

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Speaker 1: into looking why they fired Chief Terry Thigi in October

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Speaker 1: and their job is to find the reason why they

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Speaker 1: fired her in October. And here we are now headed

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Speaker 1: into March. So is this about politics? One hundred percent?

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Speaker 1: And it's costing the text. There's a hell of a

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Speaker 1: lot of money too, because you're still paying DIJI, and

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Speaker 1: you're paying Heny, and you're paying the law office the

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Speaker 1: law firm to investigate this. And if it was a

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Speaker 1: clear cut case of cause for getting fired for cause,

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Speaker 1: the reason why why has it taken five months? A

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Speaker 1: normal person would ask. So that's Issue five you proposed,

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Speaker 1: I believe it was you proposed to those basically the

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Speaker 1: many things you said you could do right, repeal Issue five,

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Speaker 1: let the chief or Terry Thiej or Adam Hunte whoe ever,

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Speaker 1: work independently, or elect a new mayor. So which is

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Speaker 1: the most viable option, the easiest path here?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think the one, the path that is going

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Speaker 2: to be the most permanent is to do something with

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Speaker 2: Issue five. That way, regardless of who the mayor is,

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Speaker 2: regardless of who the police chief is, they're going to

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Speaker 2: have that protection. That's what ultimately needs to be done.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be a heavy lift. We'll see how

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Speaker 2: it works out, but that's ultimately what needs to be

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Speaker 2: done if the people in this city want to have

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Speaker 2: a police chief that can make decisions based off of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And Kaji's attorney said, I looked at her jacket.

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Speaker 2: Well, Unfortunately, because of issue five, Chief Figi's not in

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Speaker 1: I know. Well, it depends what crime numbers you look

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Speaker 1: It's kind of like the Bengals, isn't it canon that

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Speaker 2: Without a doubt. And if you remember, I think the

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Speaker 1: Now finally, Ken Cober, I won't keep you longer. What

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't know. Maybe reparations will fix.

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Speaker 2: This, you never know. Maybe maybe No, that's the chiefs

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Speaker 1: I'll get into that a little bit later on. That

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Speaker 1: five million reparations for the way people have colored retreated

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Speaker 1: later on in the show. Ken Cober, President the FOP,

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Speaker 1: thanks for jumping on this morning, brother, Be well and

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Speaker 1: have a great weekend.

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Speaker 2: Thanks you, Misch. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go, Ken, And a lot of questions

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Speaker 1: five months to figure this out? Clearly they fired her,

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Speaker 1: down to Scott's Loan show, News on the way in

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Speaker 1: just minutes and Will Gantz, our guy from ABC. We've

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