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Speaker 1: and the man now accused of pulling the trigger could

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Speaker 1: self defense and the mayor is furious. The question, though,

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Speaker 1: constitutional expert and all around decent guy, Steve Gooden, Steve,

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Speaker 1: we got the case of Frenny Cobb. He's twenty four

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Speaker 1: The judge set bonded fifty thousand dollars. Cobb is a

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Speaker 2: Well, look, this was a complete failure of the system

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Speaker 2: So that's good news. The bad news is, you're right,

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Speaker 2: there's no way either of these guys should have been

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Speaker 2: this ideological bent. They don't believe in cash bond. They

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Speaker 2: And it got so bad in Hamilton County. If you

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Speaker 2: That happens here is that someone who is credibly accused

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Speaker 1: I remember that that isn't that irony. I don't want

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Speaker 2: You have no opportunity to postpond. It's been like that

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Speaker 1: Well it's a good here, but it's really bad here.

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Speaker 1: And there's some judges out there I mentioned names Silverstein,

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Speaker 1: maybe this was a bad decision. With admitting it was

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Speaker 2: Well, I it's arguable I would say that I think,

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Speaker 2: And what's going on in that arrangement room all the time?

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Speaker 2: We're having judges who are deviating from this public safety requirement.

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Speaker 2: And really it's the same technology they've had since the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the idea that we don't have the technicians to say,

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Speaker 1: here for someone? I don't have a problem with reasonableness, right,

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Speaker 1: I'm a pretty reasonable guy. But I'm sorry, but when

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Speaker 1: you pick up a gun or a knife, but particularly

435
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Speaker 1: a gun, I think that really narrows your your options.

436
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Speaker 1: I don't think it should be as much as they

437
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Speaker 1: talked about how bad mandatory were that totally took away

438
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Speaker 1: judicial discretion, the pendulum, as always does in America, has

439
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Speaker 1: swung the other way, where you almost are your hands

440
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Speaker 1: are tied in a sense that you can't do anything

441
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Speaker 1: but offer a slap on the wrist, as opposed to

442
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Speaker 1: real punitive outcomes for people who commit gun crimes. I mean,

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Speaker 1: explain me. You do it once, you take someone's word

444
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Speaker 1: at it, going okay, I'm gonna let you out, but

445
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Speaker 1: you promise not to do it again. Yeah, you promise, yeah, yeah, yeah,

446
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Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, pinky promise. And then they go and

447
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Speaker 1: do it again. And then you go on and you

448
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Speaker 1: promise this time, it's not going to three four times.

449
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Speaker 1: It just it doesn't make any sense. And so you're

450
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Speaker 1: married to this whole ideological notion that people are inherently good,

451
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Speaker 1: and I think I think in a lot of cases

452
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Speaker 1: that's true. But you've got to judge on an individual basis.

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Speaker 1: If you decide you're going to pick up a gun

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Speaker 1: and commission of a fellow me, and you look at

455
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Speaker 1: the scope of why they did that to get money

456
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Speaker 1: to settle some sort of wacky street beef, you slapping

457
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Speaker 1: them on the wrist is not going to change them.

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Speaker 1: That's not a wake up call for them because they

459
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Speaker 1: simply don't care. And it's not ninety nine percent of

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Speaker 1: the population. It's one percent of the population or less

461
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Speaker 1: that does this. So why can't we get why can't

462
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Speaker 1: we admit, like, yeah, bail and bond reform when it

463
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Speaker 1: comes to offenses, like this is a bad idea, and

464
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Speaker 1: everyone Steve Gooden, who ran for offs many others, told

465
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Speaker 1: people it's a bad idea, and yet voters decided to

466
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Speaker 1: go with the status quo. And now you've got after

467
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Speaker 1: have Pureval, who really pushed the idea of this when

468
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Speaker 1: he was campaigning and being progressive, is now going this,

469
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Speaker 1: this is not good. So he's admitting it without admitting it,

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Speaker 1: if you will. Now I did mention too not to

471
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Speaker 1: belabor that this topic we've been talking about, because it's

472
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Speaker 1: just so just so incendiary to think that these people

473
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Speaker 1: could be out and committing these crimes again in the

474
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Speaker 1: blood literally is on the hands of the judges and

475
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Speaker 1: the individuals who push these policies. But I will point

476
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Speaker 1: out something else that just happened because politics, as I've

477
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Speaker 1: been talking about, and this is why I hate politics.

478
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 1: It's all about exploiting someone for votes. It doesn't matter

479
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Speaker 1: if it's true or not. So how's the ideal of

480
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Speaker 1: ball reform and restorative justice working out? Not good? Well,

481
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Speaker 1: then there's this on the other side, And ask yourself

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Speaker 1: if this person were transgender or an illegal alien, but

483
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Speaker 1: mainly transgender, would this have been a much much bigger story?

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Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Or no? Here's the story. The guy's name is Robert Dewis.

486
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Speaker 1: He's thirty seven years old. He's been indicted on charges

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Speaker 1: of rape, growth, sexual and position, abduction, and kidnapping in

488
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Speaker 1: Warren County by David Fornshaw, an excellent prosecutor. By the way,

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Speaker 1: he sexually assaulted a girl thirteen year old girl in

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Speaker 1: the bathroom of a five below store in South lebanon

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Speaker 1: February six. He was released from prison seventy two hours

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Speaker 1: before he committed this awful, despicable crime. So the story

493
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Speaker 1: of the narratives. The child's mom is in the store.

494
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Speaker 1: They're shopping. She sends to the changing room. I guess

495
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Speaker 1: to go try some clothes on. She left to grab

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Speaker 1: a different pair of pants. The mother had locked the

497
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Speaker 1: bathroom and arranged a special knock, so she knew it

498
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Speaker 1: was mom and not someone else. Well, Deuise was standing

499
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Speaker 1: there and heard what the knock was, and then as

500
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Speaker 1: she turned her back, he went and knocked on the door,

501
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Speaker 1: and so he went in there, and the girl screamed,

502
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Speaker 1: which they called the lions War, which I did not

503
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Speaker 1: know what that was, so I looked it up. It's

504
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Speaker 1: the way they're teaching kids to react in a situation

505
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Speaker 1: like this is to scream. Deuise flees. He was later

506
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Speaker 1: arrested at a relative's home. He had already the grand

507
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Speaker 1: jariy doesn't he made a sexually violent predator because the

508
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Speaker 1: victim was thirteen years old and there's a prior conviction

509
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Speaker 1: five years ago in Fairfield County for the sexual assault

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Speaker 1: of a childhooder thirteen. The judge, how about this in

511
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Speaker 1: Warren County held him. He's being held on a seven

512
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Speaker 1: hundred two thousand dollars cash only bond. He's got to

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Speaker 1: put up seven hundred, two thousand dollars and he's being

514
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Speaker 1: arraigned today as a matter of fact, seven hundred. If

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Speaker 1: this or Hamlin County judge, he'd probably be it'd be

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Speaker 1: an a war bahn, right, he'd be on his own recognity.

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Speaker 1: You promise not to do this again. Oh yeah, yeah, okay,

518
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Speaker 1: go ahead, here you go when I will give you

519
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Speaker 1: an ankle monitor, but we know you'll cut it off. Here,

520
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: here's pair of scissors. Good, good luck with that. If

521
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 1: that were Hamlin County, Warren County, f around and find out.

522
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Speaker 1: But I'm gonn getting off in the weeds here, as

523
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Speaker 1: I often often do, had this if so the story

524
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Speaker 1: it was a big story of people like, oh, that's awful,

525
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Speaker 1: But it wasn't a big story. It was a horrible

526
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Speaker 1: story that has already been bumped from the headlines.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: I asked at the beginning, you know, if you're a conservative,

529
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Speaker 1: ask yourself if this person were transgender, would be a

530
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Speaker 1: much bigger story. And the answer is absolutely it would.

531
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Speaker 1: Because it would absolutely it'd validate everything we heard in

532
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Speaker 1: the last election cycle. And I think that's the problem

533
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Speaker 1: I have with politics, is you will twist the truth,

534
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 1: you'll take things out of context. Look, you know, to me,

535
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Speaker 1: I don't if you're transgender, I don't want. I don't

536
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Speaker 1: think it's right for you to play on if you're

537
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Speaker 1: a man playing out a women's sports team, it's unfair Okay,

538
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Speaker 1: if it's a a locker room, I think that's probably

539
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Speaker 1: more weird for the trans person than it is for

540
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Speaker 1: the individuals in there. But I can see a point

541
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Speaker 1: there when it comes as a bathroom, everybody has the

542
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: poop and pee, Like you don't have a choice. You

543
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Speaker 1: have a choice to play sports, right, you have a

544
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Speaker 1: choice to play being a locker room, you don't have

545
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Speaker 1: a choice to go to the bath Everyone goes to

546
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Speaker 1: the bathroom regardless of what kind of plumbing you handed

547
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Speaker 1: either God gave you. And if you think that God

548
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Speaker 1: and only God, and that's fine, it's that's your core belief.

549
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,719
Speaker 1: I respect that, I fight for that. I'm with you,

550
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Speaker 1: But clearly your core belief is not someone else's. And

551
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Speaker 1: that's the problem that you know, I've been going to

552
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Speaker 1: a public restroom now for most of my adult life.

553
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Speaker 1: I don't I have never, ever, ever known the sexual

554
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Speaker 1: orientation of the person next to be in the urnal

555
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: Like you don't check, you know, meet, I'm not about

556
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: to meet gaze in a public restaurant. If you want

557
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 1: to be a meat gazer, that's on you. If you're

558
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Speaker 1: a woman, you're in a stall, how would you know

559
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: if you're in a stall. What the genders of the

560
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 1: person that you don't know? And the idea is that

561
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 1: well they're you know, they get in the restroom and

562
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: then this is what happened. If this again were a

563
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Speaker 1: transgender individual who rape this girl at the five below

564
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Speaker 1: in Lebanon, it would be a national talking part, right,

565
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Speaker 1: it would be Fox News, News, Mats, all the conservative

566
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 1: right leaning platforms would be all over this thing. But

567
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Speaker 1: this is like, oh, it's what a horrible story. I

568
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: hope they and this sob This bastard should get wh

569
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Speaker 1: he gets in prison. I think the inmates take care

570
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 1: of this guy as well. He should.

571
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Speaker 6: And we know that.

572
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: You know, the crime data and research about sexual assaults

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Speaker 1: and restrooms, which is extremely rare, or public spaces for

574
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Speaker 1: that matter, the vast majority are sis gender men, right,

575
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Speaker 1: those are straight men. If you look at the FBI

576
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Speaker 1: crime data over the years, over ninety nine percent of

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Speaker 1: all convicted sexual offenders in the US fall into this category.

578
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Speaker 1: Documented cases of restroom sexual assault most commonly involved cisgender

579
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Speaker 1: male perpetrators targeting women or children, voyeurism, hidden cameras, stuff

580
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: like that. It's generally straight men. I mean, it's not

581
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Speaker 1: generally it is pretty much all straight men. So and

582
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Speaker 1: actually the exact obbet is true. Sexual violence committed by

583
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Speaker 1: someone known as the victim is more likely, but transgender

584
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Speaker 1: people more likely be the victims of these types of

585
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Speaker 1: assaults as opposed to the perpetrators of them. Like you know,

586
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Speaker 1: as someone who is close to being libertarian than anything

587
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: on the station, Like, I don't really care if you're

588
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Speaker 1: happy to being that person. It doesn't hurt me at all.

589
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: It doesn't threaten my masculinity, doesn't.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: It's America, God bless America. It's a country where you

592
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Speaker 1: can be what you want to be. Oh my god,

593
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: the morals and you have no morality. It's like morality

594
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: is relative, right, I mean, look at look at the

595
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: twisting that Christians have done and compromised values or core beliefs,

596
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Speaker 1: and just in the last five years alone. So you know,

597
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Speaker 1: you can twist if you could twist anything to fit

598
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Speaker 1: your own belief narrative. So in this case, like I

599
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: just I simply don't care if you're happy being that

600
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: good for you. The world is a miserable place, not all,

601
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: but it feels that way, right, So I look at

602
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Speaker 1: it and go, Okay, you're happy being you. I have

603
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: a lot of questions. I don't understand it, but I

604
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Speaker 1: support you. As long as there's no one is being victimized,

605
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Speaker 1: that's all I care about. There's no victims in that

606
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Speaker 1: if you decide to do that to you. And I

607
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: think the other thing is true with children. I you know,

608
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Speaker 1: not a lot of young young people are having these

609
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Speaker 1: types of surgeries, nor should they because I think, you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe by the time you're fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, if

611
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: it's pretty clear that's who you are. But again, at

612
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Speaker 1: the end of the day, it's up to the parents.

613
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Speaker 1: That the state takes over and tells the parents and

614
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Speaker 1: doctors what to do. I don't again, we have the

615
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Speaker 1: writers Americans to screw our kids up. There's no shortage

616
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Speaker 1: of of wacky adults because parenting is an imperfect science. Well,

617
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: you're maiming and new Well, okay, if you're maiming them,

618
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Speaker 1: I mean we have we have medical boards that oversee that.

619
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Speaker 1: And I would say, oh, well, isn't circumcision doing that then?

620
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Speaker 1: I mean, if you're going to split hairs, is there

621
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Speaker 1: any medical reason for circumcising boys?

622
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 2: No?

623
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Speaker 1: So why do we continue doing that, that's general mudulation.

624
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Speaker 1: To me, it's the same thing as long as you're

625
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Speaker 1: not abusing your kid and trying to make that abuse

626
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 1: when it's a thought out decision, a different story entirely.

627
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: It's between you and your physician. Like people screw their

628
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: kids up all the time, we we do a really

629
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Speaker 1: good job at screwing our kids up. I don't know

630
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Speaker 1: if that screws them up or not. I don't know,

631
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Speaker 1: but that doesn't harm me, and I guess in this case,

632
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Speaker 1: I look at it going, well, here's after that Pure

633
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: Vault and other progressives in Cincinnati that have fought for

634
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Speaker 1: better reform and in particular what they call restorative justice,

635
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: and it's led to while the shooting at Riverfront Live

636
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: shouldn't have happened, nine people are are shot today because

637
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 1: the policies are well, we got to be kinder to criminals,

638
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: to criminals, okay, these are violent, predatory criminals. No, we

639
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: still have to you cut your ankle, mon or off.

640
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: It's fine. And look at the bloody history here, whether

641
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,959
Speaker 1: it's Mordecai Black with Patrick Harringer, the shooting in front

642
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: of City Bird on Fountain Square, the downtown brawl now

643
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: we have Riverfront Live and it's on and on and on,

644
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: and we just treat these perpetrators, these predators with kid gloves.

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Speaker 1: On the other side, we have this straight man who

646
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Speaker 1: raped a girl in a in a store changing or

647
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Speaker 1: a bathroom, I guess it were. And had that been,

648
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Speaker 1: you know, one of these parties we're talking about, it'd

649
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Speaker 1: be a different story. In time to be national news.

650
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: A crisis, we have to pass laws, but it doesn't

651
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Speaker 1: fit in there, and that it probably happens every day, sadly.

652
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Speaker 1: But that's what I hate about poultice. The exploitative nature

653
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Speaker 1: of it is that you have to essentially what's your

654
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Speaker 1: core beliefs around and say you have core beliefs when

655
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: you don't to fit what the expectation pattern is. If

656
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: who has efforts you're trying to get to vote for you.

657
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: That's why politics is like, just stay out of my way,

658
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: because it's just it's kind of icky right on both sides.

659
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Speaker 1: And that's where we are. Anyway, slowly here seven hundred

660
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Speaker 1: WW got news coming up at about ten minutes now,

661
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Speaker 1: about eight minutes from now. My math is bad. I apologize.

662
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Speaker 1: There's issues involving people over the age of sixty. If

663
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Speaker 1: you or someone you love is sixty or older, we

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Speaker 1: have a ration new crime. Speaking to crimes, we'll get

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Speaker 1: into that with Dennison Keller coming up in just a

666
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Speaker 1: few minutes. If you're older in sixty, we have a

667
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Speaker 1: disturbing pattern now that's developed over the last few years

668
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Speaker 1: with of course those types of crimes. The latest on

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Speaker 1: what's going on in Iran, more missiles launched, our embassies

670
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Speaker 1: and consulates under siege as it were, and now we

671
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Speaker 1: have to come up with the strategy. As often in America,

672
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: the case is we go and we blow something up,

673
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Speaker 1: and we don't have an exit strategy. No love laws.

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Speaker 1: For Komani, as a small child in seventy nine, I

675
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Speaker 1: recall the hostages, I recall the crisis. I recall those things,

676
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Speaker 1: and that has been true now for forty six years.

677
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Speaker 1: And so I look at this and go, all right,

678
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Speaker 1: Am I sad that they overthrow him they killed him? No,

679
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Speaker 1: not at all. Now I'm a little concerned because his

680
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Speaker 1: son is now the new leader of whatever it is,

681
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 1: the total Terian state over there in Iran, and I

682
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: think we got to probably go after him. But him

683
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: dying and getting taken out by US missiles and Israelis.

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Speaker 1: I'm fine with that. The problem is, though we have

685
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Speaker 1: to have Congress involved, We have to decide on the

686
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: War Powers Act. There's a lot of decisions have to

687
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Speaker 1: be made here in the next month or two in

688
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Speaker 1: order to facilitate this, because you just simply can't have

689
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Speaker 1: another conflict. We're engaging with no end in sight whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to hear four or five weeks or

691
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Speaker 1: four or five months, or four or five years. What

692
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: are we trying to do over there? What's the mission?

693
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Speaker 1: And countless presidents, whether it's a Republican, whether it's a Democrat,

694
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Speaker 1: an Obama launched missiles, I look at the same thing.

695
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: It's like, it's time for Congress now to actually step

696
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Speaker 1: up and do their jobs and intervene on this thing. Otherwise,

697
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Speaker 1: I mean, what is the point of having these branches

698
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Speaker 1: of government if they're not going to be engaged. Constitution's

699
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: very specific in what each body should be doing. We

700
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Speaker 1: just simply can't allow it to the executive branch and

701
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: the president, whoever that might be, to make all these

702
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Speaker 1: decisions with no checks in place from Congress. It's time

703
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Speaker 1: for them to step up. What are we doing over there?

704
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Speaker 1: What's the point? When does it end? How do we

705
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Speaker 1: get out? We need some answers, we need some diplomacy,

706
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Speaker 1: We need a little bit of leadership, if you will.

707
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 1: So I mentioned that's the problem of politics, where they

708
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 1: campaign all all this stuff, all this noise, and then

709
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: you elect them and they're mia. You want to talk

710
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Speaker 1: about negligence, The body of Congress right now, in my opinion,

711
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,760
Speaker 1: is negligent. They don't do anything. They don't have Basically,

712
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: all you guys do is vote to shut down government

713
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Speaker 1: or not vote to shut down government. The case may be,

714
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,280
Speaker 1: what is the point of all these elections and sending

715
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: you to Washington if you're not doing anything? News is

716
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:12,280
Speaker 1: coming up in five here Sloany, seven hundred ww Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: You want to be an American? It's a Scott Sloan

718
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: show back on seven hundred WILDW. The good news for

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00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: people over eight sixty five, and every day we get

720
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Speaker 1: closer to that. If you're inside that number, congrats you

721
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: made it. Good news is you're less likely to be

722
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: victims of violent crime than your children and grandchildren. The

723
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: bad news is older Americans are highly likely much more

724
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Speaker 1: likely to fall victim to financial crimes. It is the

725
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:40,280
Speaker 1: fastest growing sector. If you're over sixty, you're talking about

726
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: twenty eight billion and lost money's FBI said year over

727
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: year over year, worried about fifteen to twenty five percent

728
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: increases every single year for these scams. Dennison Keller is

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Speaker 1: a reform journalist locally as a reform journalist and now

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Speaker 1: a practicing attorney. Is an elder law attorney here in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: Dennison Keller, welcome back.

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Speaker 3: Are you thank you so much for having me on again.

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Speaker 3: It's good to hear your boy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, how many years he been practicing law? Now

735
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: from if you may remember Dennison on TV.

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Speaker 3: You know it's nineteen years now, so not gonna twenty

737
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 3: so I believe it or not. I have been an

738
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Speaker 3: elder law attorney longer than I was a journalist, but

739
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Speaker 3: I still bear the scar.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right right, yeah, smart guy, Dennison is something like

741
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: one in six people six year older were subjected to

742
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Speaker 1: some form of abuse. I mean, we can talk about

743
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 1: that too, But the biggest, the fastest growing. The FBI

744
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,919
Speaker 1: just pointed this out is financial crimes. So let's get

745
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Speaker 1: into that. I'm guessing that probably investment scams were the biggest,

746
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: like I'd be probably the costliest.

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Speaker 3: Right, Well, it's just a little bit of everything, Scott.

748
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Speaker 3: And you know you mentioned my career as a journalist

749
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 3: and not to get too much into it, but it's

750
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 3: stuff like this, frankly that halfway inspired me to get

751
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 3: into elder law. I mean, I remember doing stories for

752
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 3: Channel twelve on the old They called them pigeon drop

753
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 3: schemes where a person would have approached an elderly person

754
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 3: on the parking lot of a bank and then convince

755
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 3: them that hey, I've got this access to this major

756
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 3: reward that I get, but I can't get it because

757
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,439
Speaker 3: I don't have a driver's license, and if you give

758
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 3: me money, I'll share it with you. And of course

759
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 3: the elderly person gives them the money, and then the

760
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 3: person takes off and then runs away. I remember doing

761
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:22,240
Speaker 3: a story a number of years ago, and as social

762
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,879
Speaker 3: media was kind of stepping up, where some scammer got

763
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 3: onto an elderly persons social media page impersonated the in

764
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 3: person and themselves as that person's grandchild that they're in

765
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 3: jail and you got to send me bail money. So

766
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Speaker 3: I remember doing it back then and It's just it's

767
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 3: so frustrating because, man, the government institutions are trying so hard.

768
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Speaker 3: I mean, Ohio has its Elder Justice Union, Kentucky has

769
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Speaker 3: its Office of Senior Protection, the FBI has this World

770
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Speaker 3: Abuse Awareness Month, and yet the problem just keeps getting

771
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 3: worse and worse and worse. And I think there are

772
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Speaker 3: multiple factors would go into that. You know, one is

773
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Speaker 3: that just the demographics of it. We're getting older and

774
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 3: older and older, particularly in America. And then and then secondly,

775
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 3: you know, our population of senior citizens is very, very wealthy. Uh.

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Speaker 3: And then thirdly, the technology is just so good for

777
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 3: scammers h and they keep finding ways to exploit it,

778
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,280
Speaker 3: and they always seem to be two or three steps

779
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 3: ahead of both law enforcement and unfortunately the senior citizens

780
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Speaker 3: and their.

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Speaker 1: Families typically in the cases you've seen or heard anyway,

782
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Speaker 1: Dennison Keller, are they are these offshore enterprises as opposed

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Speaker 1: to being here in the United States.

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Speaker 3: You know, not necessarily. My own father was scammed, Scott,

785
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 3: and it's one of the classic ones. You see somebody

786
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,240
Speaker 3: hacking to his computer and because I'm sure he clicked

787
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 3: on some sort of link and the scammers would lock

788
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 3: up his computer and the only way he could unlock

789
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 3: is be kept paying them service fees. And unfortunately, the

790
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 3: nation or that scam was not such that they got

791
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 3: into his financial information. Maybe they tried, I don't know,

792
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 3: but the bottom line was they kept extracting more and

793
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 3: more money from him to fix their computer. And of

794
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 3: course they say were for Microsoft and were licensed and

795
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera. And he kept telling us that

796
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 3: this was happening, and I kept telling him, Dad, this

797
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 3: is a scam. Trust me on this. And that's part

798
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 3: of the frustration as well, is you know, a lot

799
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Speaker 3: of times elders just don't want to admit that they've

800
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 3: been taken, you know. And here you think you have

801
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 3: a really smart guy. He owned his own business. This

802
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 3: is before he passed away, and he has a son

803
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 3: who's an elderlaw attorney who's saying, Dad, this is a scam.

804
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 3: You have to stop this. But he would not believe me.

805
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 3: He believed them, and he got to the point where

806
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 3: he was so nervous he wouldn't open his computer in

807
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 3: his own home. He was driving twelve miles away to

808
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,720
Speaker 3: my sisters who sits across the border in Mainsbook, Kentucky,

809
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 3: and that's where he would get online to do his

810
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 3: banking and such, because he was so nervous about it.

811
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Speaker 3: And it was only about a year or two after

812
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 3: he died, and he died four years ago that I

813
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 3: got a letter from the New York Attorney General that

814
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,760
Speaker 3: they had copied people and they were looking for victims

815
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 3: statements and things like that. And we did not participate

816
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 3: in that because he had passed away. But that was

817
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 3: a New York operation. So yeah, I can be all

818
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 3: seed all shore overseas, but a lot of times they're

819
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:37,439
Speaker 3: right hearing out of states as well.

820
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And the hard part about it is and where our

822
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: fastball gets slower and slower with every passing day, as

823
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Speaker 1: we know, and as we approach that age of sixty

824
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Speaker 1: sixty five seventy, it's also difficult to keep up with

825
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Speaker 1: evolving technology and how these scammers work because it's an

826
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Speaker 1: ever evolving enterprise and so you do have to put

827
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Speaker 1: your hubris aside. You have to go, hey, listen, I

828
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Speaker 1: don't know everything was supposed to be, you know, older

829
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Speaker 1: and wiser, Well, keeping up with technology is really really hard.

830
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Speaker 1: Trust me, I get that. I see it all the

831
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: time AI is coming into fruition. Now that that is

832
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: a game changer, and so it's going to get harder

833
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: and harder and harder to detect these financial crimes, especially

834
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Speaker 1: against the elderly.

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Speaker 3: It is, it's not just against the elderly. You know,

836
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Speaker 3: I was on a law conference last week in Seattle

837
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Speaker 3: and my associate attorney was was with me, and you know,

838
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 3: she had taken a couple ubers using the corporate card,

839
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Speaker 3: and of course I get this alert, Hey, somebody who

840
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 3: is using an uber in Seattle? Is this legit? And

841
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 3: this is from American Express? And they American Express asked

842
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 3: you to click and verify Yes, this is a legitimate extent.

843
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 3: And I really had to think because I'm like, whoa

844
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 3: is this from American Express? Because I don't want out

845
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 3: this to be a trojan horse. And so I went

846
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 3: and looked from two different vantage points, you know, did

847
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 3: a search and called American Express, hey are you actually

848
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 3: emailing me? And you know you made fun of me

849
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 3: as a journalist and right leak. So but if there

850
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 3: really are some good principles and journalism that you can apply,

851
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 3: I think too elderly scams or financial exploitation and that

852
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 3: golden rule is check your sources. Check your sources. Don't

853
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 3: just take the person or the email at base value.

854
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 3: Get come two different other sources. Whether you get a

855
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 3: call saying, hey, you want a lottery and give me

856
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 3: your credit card and I'll give you your lottery earnings,

857
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 3: or getting an email that they asking you to click

858
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 3: on something, Open up a different browser, type in Hey,

859
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 3: is this a scam? Or does this actually happen? Call

860
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 3: on a couple of different look for a couple of

861
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,760
Speaker 3: different phone numbers, Call your family, does this sound Legit

862
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 3: is my grandchild actually in jail? And try to verify

863
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 3: that way. And then the other golden role is God,

864
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 3: just just do not give out your personal information. If

865
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 3: you think raw, why on earth would anybody be calling

866
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,720
Speaker 3: you to get your solid security number or your bank information?

867
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 3: Right right, It's gonna be a scam. Yeah, period. Yeah,

868
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 3: So when in doubt, get out, or the you.

869
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: Know, the one we get all the time is like, hey,

870
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: I'm a recruiter from and I saw your resumes, Like, well,

871
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 1: I don't have a resume out there, and that's an

872
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: easily dismissed once, or the you know, the hello text

873
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: that we get from some unknown number. You know, that's

874
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: kind of a fishing scan. But the sad part about it.

875
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: And Dennison Cutter, by the way, elder law attorney here

876
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: in Cincinnati. Uh, as we talk about the fastest rising

877
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: crime that the FBI is alert a sound, and that

878
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 1: is elder financial crimes here in the United States. You know,

879
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: you get those messages, it's like, Okay, who do I trust? Uh?

880
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,479
Speaker 1: You know you mentioned the journalism thing too. I'll point

881
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 1: out it struck me as there's a you know, back

882
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: in the glory days of the AP, I suppose there

883
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: was a sign in their room that said, hey, if

884
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: your mother says she loves you, check it out, which

885
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,720
Speaker 1: is kind of funny, but it's true.

886
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 3: Right, That's that's a great at a great antidote, it

887
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 3: really is. You just got to check it out, check

888
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,800
Speaker 3: your sources. And you know, the thing is, we're always

889
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 3: bombarded with it, you know, back in nineteen eighty four.

890
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 3: And it sounds like it's going to good off topic,

891
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 3: but it is kind of related. I think you know,

892
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 3: the Irish Republican Army tried to assassinate Margaret Thatcher with

893
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 3: a bombing to the Brighton Hotel and it was a

894
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 3: foiled plot. It did not work, thank god. But they

895
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 3: said after that, Okay, we were unlucky today, but remember

896
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 3: we only have to be lucky once. You have to

897
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 3: be lucky always. And it was an intimous quote from

898
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 3: the nurch and Public Army, and I think that applies here.

899
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 3: You just cannot let your guard down. I just was

900
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 3: working on our employee manual for our law firm and

901
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 3: had a long segment about particularly using the computer and

902
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 3: being aware of phishing scams and malware and ransom and

903
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 3: all of it. And I kept putting the same line

904
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 3: at the end of the ten do not open it.

905
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 3: Do not open it, verify it. And you know the

906
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:09,240
Speaker 3: thing is, Unfortunately a lot of legitimate companies aren't thinking

907
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 3: about that either. It drives me crazy. My insurance carrier

908
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 3: will send me each year an email with my new policy,

909
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 3: and all in it says is a one line a

910
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 3: tax is a copy of your new professional liability policy.

911
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 3: That's it, you know, And I mean that was like

912
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 3: that to be a damn right. You're going to call

913
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 3: the insurance carrier like you actually send this, so you

914
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 3: can't just shortcut on the steps. Unfortunately, you just have

915
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,439
Speaker 3: to be vigilant again, check your sources. Like you said,

916
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 3: if your mom, if your mom says she loves you,

917
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 3: check it out.

918
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 4: That that's a great I've.

919
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: Heard that I love. I love deleting everything. It's like

920
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: if it's coming at me, and eventually, if it's important,

921
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: they'll continue to age up to me in other forms.

922
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: So I you know, I have a very small and

923
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: tight circle. But I get it if you're older, and

924
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 1: especially as we live longer, and you see it Denison Keller,

925
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: and that would be we wind up with things like

926
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,399
Speaker 1: Alzheimer's and dementia and the like, and not all that

927
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: we're isolated. Our friends are dying off, maybe our family

928
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: is halfway across the country, maybe we lost a spouse.

929
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: And your lonely. So I get the predatory nature of

930
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: what would trigger someone who would suspend their wilful disbelief

931
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: at a romance scam or a financial scam, because people

932
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 1: are lonely, and no matter how much you tell them, hey,

933
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: it's a scam, it's a romance scam. They want to

934
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,879
Speaker 1: believe that there's a human connection out there for them.

935
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 1: And it's so tragic that people exploit that.

936
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 3: It really is and it's just the worst kind of

937
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 3: evil I think. I mean, here you have individuals who

938
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 3: have lived a life and raised children and worked a career,

939
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 3: and they enjoy they should be able to enjoy the

940
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 3: fruits of that life well lived, and yet they are

941
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 3: the ones who are targeted more than others because they

942
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 3: might not be a tech savvy or they might be

943
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,320
Speaker 3: to or whatever.

944
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 4: You know.

945
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 3: The the High Department of Aging has a great website.

946
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,280
Speaker 3: If you just google, I'm gonna give you a whole link.

947
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 3: But if you just google the High Department of Aging

948
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 3: scams and they actually have a list of all of

949
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 3: the most curtinent or prevalent scams that are going on

950
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 3: right now, and there are links to that, and the

951
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 3: links go to ARP articles, which also doesn't even deeper

952
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,720
Speaker 3: dive into those scams. And you know, to be honest

953
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 3: with you, Scott, in preparation of his call, I look

954
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 3: back to that situation with my own father and I

955
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 3: thought myself, dang, you know, I should have Nott with

956
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 3: him and shown him this website, right because he's never

957
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 3: gonna believe me because he changed my diapers. It's just

958
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 3: you just never get over it. To the parent, you

959
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 3: always have a degree of father knows best, mother knows best.

960
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 3: But if it comes from an ultimate source who's not child, well,

961
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 3: then a lot of times they're more apt to believe that. Yeah,

962
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 3: and we see that as an elder law firm all

963
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 3: the time. Sure, not necessarily with scams, but with all things,

964
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:10,919
Speaker 3: the sense of, hey, you know, maybe it is time

965
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 3: to move outside of the house, Maybe you should get

966
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 3: a home health care agency'd give you a better chance

967
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 3: to stay inside of out. There's coming from the kids.

968
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 3: The parents just don't listen to it.

969
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,439
Speaker 1: So, yeah, if it comes from somebody in a lab

970
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: code or an official or the government in this case,

971
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 1: they're they're more apt to believe it because of the

972
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 1: authoritary nature of it. They ain't gonna listen to you

973
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: because you're the kid.

974
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 3: That's exactly right. You know, a lot of those authoritative figures,

975
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 3: most of those authoritative figures are required by law now,

976
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,359
Speaker 3: and the attorneys are one of them to report if

977
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 3: they reasonably suspect some sort of elder abuse, whether it's

978
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 3: physical or financial or sexual or whatever it is. So

979
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 3: we have to do that. And so you have an

980
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 3: ally right there, and you know that's part of as well,

981
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:53,800
Speaker 3: is a lot of elders do have a great team

982
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 3: that they just utilize that team. You know, they've got

983
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 3: a loving daughter, they've got a loving son, they've got

984
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 3: close friends, they've got care givers who are good, and

985
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 3: relying on them to help protect them can be a

986
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 3: huge advantage in the situation. Not everybody's blessed with that,

987
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 3: and you certainly recognize that. But the ones that are,

988
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 3: you should utilize those people as long as you trust them,

989
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 3: you know. And a financial power of attorney is also

990
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:23,760
Speaker 3: a very big tool. Got to help elders prevent themselves

991
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,399
Speaker 3: from good interviews in the sense. And now you've got

992
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 3: somebody who can look at that bank account, who can

993
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,800
Speaker 3: see these transactions that are going on, who can intervene

994
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 3: or as the authority to intervene on your behalf, and

995
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 3: then perhaps that person can help protect you against the

996
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 3: scam as well. Obviously, you only choose somebody that you

997
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 3: can trust.

998
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 4: You know.

999
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 3: We always ask when we're doing financial powers of attorney,

1000
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 3: you know, well, Scott, you trust your son? Well, you know,

1001
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 3: Jim is the oldest. That wasn't the question, do you

1002
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 3: trust your son? But he's good with money? And I'm like,

1003
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 3: that's worse, you can't trust them, and he's good with money.

1004
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 3: But really, I mean you, if you do have that

1005
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 3: person you can trust, you know, use them because they

1006
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 3: can offer a tremendous buffer against scams that we've been

1007
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:14,720
Speaker 3: talking about this morning.

1008
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, my parents are both passed, but when we're

1009
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 1: to look at their will, they made my middle brother

1010
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: executor and like, I don't really care. That's fine. And

1011
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 1: you know I mentioned to my mom and she's like, yeah,

1012
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,280
Speaker 1: it's because you know, he's good with paperwork. He's smarter

1013
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: than you. It's the greatest thing ever. He's like, that's

1014
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: what he does. Yeah, listen, we need something fixed or talking.

1015
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 1: You don't do that. This is what he does. So

1016
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:41,280
Speaker 1: it was it was really a funny, my laugh outload moment.

1017
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: He's Dennison Keller. He's a local elder law attorney. And

1018
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,800
Speaker 1: uh again, if you are dealing with these issues or

1019
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 1: anything related maybe to your parents or yourself, definitely gon

1020
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 1: need to reach out because he's great. Dennis and all

1021
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: the best. Thanks for jumping on this morning.

1022
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 3: Oh thanks for always having me out. I really appreciate it.

1023
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 3: S very conversation.

1024
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 1: The word of the day is moisture. Moisture. Dang, it

1025
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 1: was raining this morning. Continue to rain. I will the

1026
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 1: rain ever end? We'll have that question to answered for you.

1027
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 1: Here about five minutes a full weather, traffic and news update,

1028
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 1: and then we returned to the show. It's Julie on

1029
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 1: the Job on seven hundred at.

1030
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 6: Giving you a vocational leg up on everyone else. Here's

1031
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 6: our career, Julie Balki.

1032
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, lots to talk about today, some of it lighter,

1033
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 1: some of it heavier. Julie's got you all covered this morning.

1034
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: It's Julie on the Job. Welcome friend, how are you?

1035
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: Haw's lying?

1036
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 5: Good morning for I am fine and yourself.

1037
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 1: You don't care anyway, let's I so much?

1038
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 3: So much?

1039
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 1: Your hrre You don't you know? It's probably I'm probably

1040
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: talking to you, probably talking to some sort of I

1041
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 1: don't know. Are you a bot? Are you? I don't know.

1042
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: It could be AI. I have no idea. We have

1043
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: a case again acting badly in the workplace. Seems like

1044
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 1: we talk about this frequent. This one is rather interesting

1045
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 1: in in New York City where a woman who was

1046
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: giving I know she's doing some sort of roundtable or something.

1047
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:09,879
Speaker 1: They had a microphone on. Careful of the live mic.

1048
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 1: That's that. Being in the business that I'm in, I

1049
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: understand the power of the live microphone. What happened here?

1050
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, So there was a sort of a discussion going

1051
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 5: on on Zoom of whether or not a certain school

1052
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 5: should be closed, and a professor at Hunter College in

1053
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:35,240
Speaker 5: New York was a New York City Community Education Council meeting.

1054
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 5: She made she made an extremely racist comment and I

1055
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:44,879
Speaker 5: don't know. The thing is like, I don't know who

1056
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 5: she thought she was talking to. So there's several people

1057
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 5: on this call, and she she makes this horrible comment.

1058
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 5: Everybody can hear her, and a person jumps in and

1059
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 5: says her name and says, what you're saying is absolutely hearrible. Now,

1060
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 5: in other word, f T f U stop. And it

1061
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 5: was it was so clear that what she was saying,

1062
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 5: when what she was saying about the topic in hand,

1063
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:18,280
Speaker 5: she clearly was not the right person to be making

1064
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 5: this decision. It was extremely racist, and she's been suspended.

1065
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 1: And well what did she say, Jolan?

1066
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 4: Why?

1067
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 5: What?

1068
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 6: Whoa?

1069
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 2: So?

1070
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 1: What was so racist? Why did you all right, I'm

1071
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 1: kidding you were going to do it?

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00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 5: No, No, it wasn't like she didn't use a Flur.

1073
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 5: It was what she said about call a group of

1074
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 5: people dumb and they're too dumb to blah blah blah

1075
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 5: and yeah, and so everybody, I'm like, whoa, if you

1076
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 5: really feel that way, you should not be in this group.

1077
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 5: Should you even have your job. It's just it made me.

1078
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 5: It's taking my hand, like have we I mean, I

1079
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,280
Speaker 5: don't know we would talk back in twenty twenty twenty

1080
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 5: twenty one, when everything was on zoom, everybody had a

1081
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 5: story someone forgetting their camera was on and like going

1082
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:10,760
Speaker 5: to the bathroom or changing clothes.

1083
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,360
Speaker 1: The guy who was the guy was pleasuring himself. And

1084
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 1: then we had the the CNN guy right, Yeah, I

1085
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:19,399
Speaker 1: look at that.

1086
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 5: And I think, okay, and he's back. And I don't

1087
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 5: think if I got caught doing something really embarrassing on

1088
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,280
Speaker 5: live TV like that the whole world saw, I don't

1089
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 5: think I could ever crawl back out from under my rock.

1090
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:35,800
Speaker 5: But I guess sometimes you've just got.

1091
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 3: To get back O.

1092
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 1: We live in an error where people don't care. I mean,

1093
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,359
Speaker 1: just you know, it's all about you anyway. There's no

1094
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 1: sense of shame anymore.

1095
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 5: Oh, it's just like yeah, I guess.

1096
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:47,800
Speaker 3: And also on top of that. Everybody's memory is so short.

1097
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because it happens with the.

1098
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 5: Yeah. And if we said seeing and guy think that's

1099
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 5: actually Jeffrey Tubman, most people are like, don't, I don't

1100
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:01,359
Speaker 5: remember that because our our attention spans are short. We've

1101
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 5: got a thousand things on our mind. They are more

1102
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 5: important than what something done did on TV No offended

1103
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 5: and uh, you know, and so it's it's I guess

1104
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 5: you think I gotta get back on it. If you

1105
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 5: look at Matt Lower trying to come back from what

1106
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:19,919
Speaker 5: some of the stuff he did, and it's not it's

1107
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 5: not going well for him. I think was he was

1108
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:25,359
Speaker 5: so bad that people like, no, you're not coming back.

1109
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, But those are actual I mean physical sexual assault

1110
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 1: victims versus a slur you know. I mean again, are

1111
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 1: they both things you shouldn't do or both? Yeah, one

1112
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: hundred percent. But you know, the the sexual assault is

1113
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: also being in the position to force women to do that,

1114
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 1: like we saw with uh, you know what happened with

1115
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 1: with Fox, same thing. Uh, it's that that's a much

1116
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 1: that's a much more a graver crime. Now in this

1117
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:51,839
Speaker 1: day and age, it's interesting people elevate the racial thing

1118
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 1: to that, and it shouldn't be. I mean again, it's atrocious,

1119
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 1: it's abominable, it's inexcusable. But you know when when someone

1120
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 1: is actually physically victimized sexually, that it's a whole different level.

1121
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:02,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1122
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, And so the question then becomes and we see it,

1123
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 5: I mean we see it locally, We see it, you know,

1124
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 5: in all kinds of situations, and where someone says or

1125
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 5: does something. There's something going on right now with Crossroads

1126
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 5: that it was something that was done allegedly ten years ago.

1127
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 5: So you think, okay, you know, how do we And

1128
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 5: I don't have the answer, but it's how do how

1129
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:32,240
Speaker 5: do we decide? Everybody says and does things in private

1130
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 5: that they would never do in public. We jokingly say,

1131
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:38,720
Speaker 5: when I die, please delete all my text chain text chains,

1132
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:41,840
Speaker 5: because we all do that that we everybody has something

1133
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,760
Speaker 5: they've done or said in the past that they would

1134
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 5: not want, as our grandma always says, on the front

1135
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 5: page of the newspaper. And so the question then is

1136
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 5: how how do we respond to this? How much how

1137
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 5: much forgiveness do we have here? Does it depend on

1138
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 5: what it is? Does it depend It's It's a fascinating

1139
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 5: fascinating thing. Though she's clearly going to be she suspended,

1140
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:05,399
Speaker 5: but my guess is will either be let go from

1141
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 5: her job and definitely shall be not on that commission anymore. Okay,

1142
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:14,720
Speaker 5: so when somebody brought something off Mike, you know it's

1143
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 5: I don't know, I don't know.

1144
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, we live in a society where there's

1145
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 1: mikes and cameras all over the place, and so you

1146
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 1: have to be on alert all the time or you

1147
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 1: actually have to change your core beliefs. But I think

1148
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 1: in this case, this woman was part of the over

1149
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 1: educated class, but she was trying to either draw something

1150
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 1: from Martin Luther King Junior, and it just came out, well,

1151
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 1: it came out horribly. I still don't understand the context

1152
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 1: or what it was said. But you know you mentioned

1153
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 1: Brian Tom the pastor of Crossroad Church. Okay, this story

1154
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 1: with the open mic just happened. The tone thing happened

1155
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 1: ten years ago, and then on top of it, they

1156
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 1: had an investigation and said, hey, listen, don't it would

1157
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 1: it involved a I guess a riding cropped it on

1158
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 1: his desk and somebody asked what it was, and he

1159
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 1: showed him by saying yeah, it's for your horse, but

1160
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 1: also people use it for well bedroom behavior and simulated

1161
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 1: it on them and touching their butt with it, I guess,

1162
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 1: or rubbing their crotchest if they liked it. It's a

1163
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 1: kind of cringey, right, But you know the fact that

1164
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 1: this happened ten years ago, and also they said, hey,

1165
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 1: just okay, don't, don't do it again. That's a bad look.

1166
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 1: You're the senior pastor. Shit in't Then he admitted it,

1167
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 1: and now we're bringing it back up again. At what

1168
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:22,919
Speaker 1: point do you go, it's settled. Why do we keep

1169
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 1: rehashing things like this?

1170
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1171
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 5: I always I always keep some room to think we

1172
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 5: don't know the whole story. There could be more to

1173
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 5: it than that. And then again, I mean, when you

1174
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 5: take something and you touch someone's crouch with it, that's

1175
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 5: wrong on so many levels that you think. I think

1176
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 5: of that, and I think the thought would never cross

1177
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 5: my mind to do something like that, and I think, okay.

1178
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 1: So funny, I do that all the time.

1179
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 5: I think, I know that's what David told me right

1180
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 5: before I went on there. So we need to talk

1181
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 5: about that out there, right, But yeah, it's it's I

1182
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 5: have no answer, but I always think, Okay, we only

1183
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:05,919
Speaker 5: know part of the story. We only know what's being

1184
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 5: we don't know what the what the full story is.

1185
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 5: So I always tell myself there's there's a really good

1186
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 5: chance we don't know the whole story, so let it,

1187
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 5: you know, let it evolve.

1188
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 3: But nobody can do that.

1189
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 1: I don't know. But maybe at the same time, I

1190
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 1: think there's just some some people are offended by everything

1191
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 1: that they will not let it go. I think that's

1192
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 1: also true today because everyone has a voice in a platform,

1193
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 1: and so they feel like, and I went on a

1194
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 1: second thought, I know, we investigate this, but it's still

1195
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: not good enough. Let's reopen this whole thing again. I

1196
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 1: think that's also true Julie.

1197
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, and that can be. And it's it's like

1198
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 5: a continuum or spectrum. There are people I.

1199
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 1: Know people always agree you are.

1200
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 5: Extremely offended by the F word, and I know other

1201
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 5: people who say it every other word. Yeah, and so

1202
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 5: who's right, you know, So.

1203
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 1: It's it's well, as someone who uses the F bomb

1204
00:59:56,400 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 1: with impunity, I'm right, okay, yes, yeah, if you're if

1205
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 1: you're offended by it, I'm like, well, sorry, you're offended.

1206
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 1: But that sounds like a U problem, not a new problem.

1207
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah. I had an old, old leader who

1208
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 5: a women leader, who would just lose her mind anytime

1209
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 5: anybody used the F word and she see, I think

1210
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 5: she really hurt herself by being so reactive. And I

1211
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 5: get it she.

1212
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 3: Didn't like it.

1213
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 5: But to to huff and puff and stump away is

1214
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 5: probably not especially when your work in a corporate environment.

1215
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 5: Should it be said? Yeah, probably not if we want

1216
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 5: to if we want an environment, but but if we

1217
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 5: want an environment where people feel comfortable. But that can

1218
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 5: go too far too so who's to say? You know,

1219
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 5: I'm not offended by it, some people are. I respect that,

1220
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:48,160
Speaker 5: But then where does that when that gets into the

1221
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 5: public public sphere? What should be if a if a

1222
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 5: public official drops several F bombs on a hot mic,

1223
01:00:56,520 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 5: yeah yeah, that's not the same as saying great things

1224
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 5: on a hot mite. But again that's just my opinion.

1225
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. There's things that bother me all

1226
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 1: the time in real life that I'm like, okay, it's

1227
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 1: I'll try to avoid it or get away from it.

1228
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 1: But it's like I'm not going to force you to

1229
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 1: conduct yourself. Is to not defend me it's like you know,

1230
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 1: and I think it's different. There's kids around things like that,

1231
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 1: and certainly there are conversations where you don't want that

1232
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 1: coming out. You gotta also read the room. You can't

1233
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 1: do it all the time. I want to pivot a

1234
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 1: second here, Julie to something something that this is not

1235
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 1: my circle, but I'm around people who use this all

1236
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:32,920
Speaker 1: the time, and I kind of roll my eyes. And it,

1237
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 1: of course is the age old topic of and the

1238
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 1: Wall Street Channel, by the way, the Wall Street chernel

1239
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 1: does a great job of this, using and breaking down

1240
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 1: work jargon in business and tech industries, and people got

1241
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 1: a chance to sound off on the terms that get

1242
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 1: them the most riled up. So the biggest defenders for

1243
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:52,800
Speaker 1: the cultural touchstones are put a pin in it. Let's

1244
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 1: unpack that. Let's take a ten thousand foot view. Are

1245
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:57,479
Speaker 1: some of the ones that made the cut. I would

1246
01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 1: throw move the needle and thought leadership and words like

1247
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 1: those to me are like, man, I hear those all

1248
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 1: the time and they just sound so business cringey.

1249
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, and here's some more circle let's circle back.

1250
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 1: I use circle back though, and I don't think that

1251
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 1: was like a big corporate buzzword. Now, I got to

1252
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 1: stop using it.

1253
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 5: Now, you're right thought leadership stakeholders. Yeah, and it's it's

1254
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 5: there is always corporate jargon. So one of my pet

1255
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:32,000
Speaker 5: peeves is something that it just makes me, makes someone unlistenable.

1256
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 5: It's when they put the word right at the end

1257
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 5: of that every sentence.

1258
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do.

1259
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 5: I was walking down the street right and I on

1260
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 5: a coffee shop right, and I went in right, and

1261
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:43,240
Speaker 5: people do it. I was going to call one time

1262
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 5: that I have to make for an excuse to get

1263
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 5: off this call because my ears are screaming. And we

1264
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 5: do all you know, I mean, there's all the like

1265
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 5: and you know, and I certainly do plenty, but we

1266
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 5: all have our things. But yeah, it's funny because it's

1267
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 5: it's you're going to catch yourself, put a pin in it.

1268
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 5: Let's unpack that, in other words, explains me what you mean.

1269
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:08,920
Speaker 5: Every single one of those phrases actually mean something. Who

1270
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 5: let's unpack that, which means tell me more about that.

1271
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 5: So they all mean something. And so certain companies, there

1272
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 5: are certain companies that will have company specific jargon, Like

1273
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:24,480
Speaker 5: if you're a new person coming into that company, you

1274
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 5: are like, what does that mean? Because you've never heard

1275
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 5: it before, and so you almost inside cultures, inside companies,

1276
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 5: inside departments, there's always specific language or acronym. Let's, uh,

1277
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:38,920
Speaker 5: let's take the ABC on that and come back and

1278
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 5: do an X Y Z. And you're thinking, I'm entering

1279
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 5: a foreign land here. I don't know what these people

1280
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:46,160
Speaker 5: are saying, and so we all do it, we all

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Speaker 5: laugh at it, and it's just it's never going away.

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Speaker 1: But well, here's the thing in business, right if Julie balk,

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Speaker 1: if you have an NBA, let's say, okay, there are

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Speaker 1: there are things that you use to describe certain things,

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Speaker 1: and Biness, you go, what the hell does that mean?

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Speaker 1: Explain that in common terms, and you do. And it's like, okay, well,

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Speaker 1: why don't you just say that? But but I think

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Speaker 1: there's a couple of things going on here, and tell

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Speaker 1: me if I'm right or wrong on this one.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Number one is virtue signaling. So if you it's kind

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Speaker 1: of like, uh, you know, teenagers, they have their own

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Speaker 1: language and every generation or every few years, new you know,

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Speaker 1: six seven comes into play and we're not supposed to

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Speaker 1: know what that means. If you watch, you know, remember

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Speaker 1: kids cartoons in the morning, all the commercials make fun

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Speaker 1: of you know, dumb dad. Dad doesn't know, Mom doesn't know.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of like a secret club because you know,

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Speaker 1: we don't have agency yet, we're kids, and this is

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Speaker 1: a way to stick it back to the man. And

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Speaker 1: so it's punching up and that whole that that whole narrative,

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Speaker 1: and so I think, but virtually signaling here is like, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, these are the terms you use in business,

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Speaker 1: and if you're not part of our group, you don't

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01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 1: know what these terms mean. But every culture has it,

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01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 1: and I don't think businesses is a culture unlike any

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01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:53,959
Speaker 1: look like other cultures out there that use their own

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Speaker 1: jargon and language, as it were. So there's that signaling

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Speaker 1: to show you're a part of that thing. At the

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Speaker 1: same time, I'll be honest with you, I've had bosses

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Speaker 1: in the past that have used language like this, the

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Speaker 1: buzz or corporate buzzwords of the day, and quite honestly,

1313
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 1: I think it is to cover up for incompetence or

1314
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 1: lack of confidence and throwing the catch raises out there

1315
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 1: that you really don't know what they're doing makes you're

1316
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:19,480
Speaker 1: using them to try and sound smarter than you really are,

1317
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 1: and then you use them inappropriately in different situations to

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Speaker 1: kind of mask who you really are. Like, yeah, you

1319
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 1: know you're using these big words in corporate buzzwords and

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01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 1: it sounds good, but you know when you scratch the surface,

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01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 1: you literally are skinned. You know there's nothing there. You

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I don't know how to word it,

1323
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 1: is like I just feel like you're using that language

1324
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 1: and mask some sort of incompetence or your self esteem.

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Speaker 1: And the more you use that, I think, the more reflective.

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Speaker 1: Is Am I right wrong about that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: No, I have heard I have heard statements. You know,

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Speaker 5: someone that you work with or on TV or wherever,

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Speaker 5: and they they say some time, I even think you

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01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 5: know what you just said, And it is sometimes it

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Speaker 5: is a bunch of works out to cover up lack

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Speaker 5: of knowledge. But if you're inside of corporation and you're

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Speaker 5: the guy or woman, the man or woman you report

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01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 5: to uses the words circle back a lot, or put

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Speaker 5: a pin in it, or let's wipeboard it or let

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01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 5: parking out, put it in the parking lot, you probably

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01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:27,160
Speaker 5: will start to use those words because that's their language

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01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 5: and you want them to be able to understand what.

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Speaker 3: You say, and vice versa.

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Speaker 5: So there is sort of a you've got to I've

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Speaker 5: got to be speaking the same language as you, and

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01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 5: we just take it on really naturally a lot of

1344
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 5: times because we want the person we're reporting to to

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01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 5: see that we understand what they're saying, and we want

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Speaker 5: them to understand us, and so it's easy to fall

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Speaker 5: into that. Here's how this company H. Here's how this

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01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:55,000
Speaker 5: company H follows up. We don't follow up by text,

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01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:57,160
Speaker 5: We follow up by emails, or we follow up by

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01:06:57,160 --> 01:07:00,240
Speaker 5: phone some of it, but some of it's just how

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Speaker 5: we get stuff done. And it can be annoying, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: especially when you know the people who said it. I

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01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 5: don't really think you was it Princess Bride. I do

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Speaker 5: not think that means what you think it means, Montoya

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Speaker 5: or something like that.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty it's pretty obvious that some of these

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01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:21,320
Speaker 1: people is like, you don't know, I actually had someone

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Speaker 1: I was working for it once a long, long time ago,

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Speaker 1: and I think I want to say the buzzword then

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Speaker 1: was kaizen the whole Japanese principle? Right? And then me,

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Speaker 1: do you use that with impunity? The point I start,

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Speaker 1: I actually started like had a message or something. I

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01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:39,040
Speaker 1: showed a few people, like what the what are they

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01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:40,760
Speaker 1: talking about here? And they're like, I have no idea

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Speaker 1: what this means, And so I decided to respond to

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Speaker 1: them in fortune cookie. So when we got to the Chinese,

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01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:48,520
Speaker 1: I'd saved the fortune cookie fortunes and then put those

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Speaker 1: in sentences and it'd be a bunch of non sequorters,

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Speaker 1: made no sense whatsoever. So anytime they asked me something,

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Speaker 1: I put that in there and then they respond, Wow,

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Speaker 1: that is that's a really good thought provoking statement. I

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01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 1: couldn't agree more like it's total I'm just making this up,

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01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:04,040
Speaker 1: goofing on them, and they had no idea. We just

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Speaker 1: call them fortune cookies. I'm gonna I'm gonna send another

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Speaker 1: fortune cookie. See what happens.

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Speaker 5: I remind me to never go to Chinese lest you,

1378
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:13,080
Speaker 5: because you'll do that to me.

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Speaker 1: But I'll on I'm collecting. I'm collecting to give me

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Speaker 1: those those those bad fortunes. I'm gonna so I can

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01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 1: email someone and like, what are you talking about? Just

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01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:23,280
Speaker 1: talk like a normal person. Man throw an F bomb

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01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 1: in once in a while. It's fine. I'd rather have

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Speaker 1: someone in a meeting like that drop an F bomb

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01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:30,240
Speaker 1: and talk like in regular language and throw a rite

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Speaker 1: or alike in there every once in a while, as opposed

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Speaker 1: to talking in haikus.

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Speaker 5: Yeah hikus, yeah noik I don't think haiku would be

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Speaker 5: a good look for you.

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Speaker 1: No, no, I'm not that guy. Just tell me what

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Speaker 1: I need to know. Quit throwing all these big words

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Speaker 1: at me. I'm not I'm street smart. I'm not not

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Speaker 1: business smart. She's Julie Bouki, our career shirp on the

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Speaker 1: Scotsland Show here on seven hundred w l W joins

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01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:52,599
Speaker 1: the show every Wednesday. Julie on the job. You can

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01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 1: find her at the Balki Group. That's b a uk

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01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:58,200
Speaker 1: E career coach consultant. She is the job whisper. She'll

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01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:00,200
Speaker 1: take care of you if you're at a crossroad or

1399
01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:03,439
Speaker 1: maybe pivoting or putting pins and things in chill, chill,

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01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:04,720
Speaker 1: light out for you. All the best and I'll talk

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01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:05,679
Speaker 1: to you next week. Thanks again.

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Speaker 5: We'll circle back.

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Speaker 1: We'll circle back. Let's circle back next week. I'm gonna

1404
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 1: circle back down the drain. How's that? I'm right, I'll

1405
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:14,680
Speaker 1: see you later. There you go. News coming up in

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Speaker 1: five here on seven hundred ww Scott Sloan Show, Jeff

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01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:21,639
Speaker 1: Crossman jumps and Jeff is the today was like lawyer show.

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01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 1: Today it's like a lawyer a round table. Jeff Crossman

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Speaker 1: is his name. He is the lead council in this

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01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:31,400
Speaker 1: lawsuit to stop Ohio from using unclaimed funds for pay

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01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:33,920
Speaker 1: Corps and now TQ. Well, now, if you had a

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01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 1: pile of cash Bengals, reds FC Cincinnati and you were

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01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:43,559
Speaker 1: running those organizations and the state said, hey, we have

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01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:46,520
Speaker 1: this big pot of cash so you can improve your facilities,

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01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:50,519
Speaker 1: feel free to tap into that, you'd be lining up right.

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Speaker 1: I don't fault them for it. I also think that

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01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:59,679
Speaker 1: quite honestly, when it comes to unclaimed funds after ten years,

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01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:02,760
Speaker 1: do you have a duty to know that they're on

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01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:04,920
Speaker 1: CLEM funds out there and here's the website and just

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01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:08,200
Speaker 1: go look it up. I think that's probably true, right,

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Speaker 1: It's like I would assume after ten years you don't

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Speaker 1: know what's there, or maybe you know after certainly after

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Speaker 1: a longer period, and maybe that person has moved or

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Speaker 1: they're dead. We don't know. But I will say it's

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01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:22,640
Speaker 1: interesting how when you owe the state money or the

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Speaker 1: government money, They're pretty good at finding you, aren't they.

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Speaker 3: You know?

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01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:32,559
Speaker 1: So I go back to I don't know twenty twenty,

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01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:35,200
Speaker 1: and I filed my taxes in five six years later.

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Speaker 1: Go hey, by the way, five years ago, you didn't

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01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:42,719
Speaker 1: claim this is a and yo US fifty four cents.

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Speaker 1: Pay up with the penalty though it's five hundred and

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Speaker 1: forty dollars, so they can find out when like, you're

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01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 1: screwing them tax wise. But have I got money coming

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Speaker 1: to me? That's different. That's I think that's a good

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01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:57,559
Speaker 1: argument that he has here for. And meanwhile, it's all

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01:10:57,560 --> 01:11:00,320
Speaker 1: tied up in the court right now on whether or

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Speaker 1: not that we should be using unclaimed fund money to

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01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:07,840
Speaker 1: build stadiums. Legit question, this is your money eventually, I mean,

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01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:09,679
Speaker 1: maybe you have maybe you have money in the books

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01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:11,519
Speaker 1: right maybe you know the unclaimed fund thing. Maybe you had.

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01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:13,519
Speaker 1: I got a few hundred dollars back not long ago

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01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:17,200
Speaker 1: since I was talking about this story. But here's something else.

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01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:20,080
Speaker 1: So let's say they take this money and they give

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01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:25,360
Speaker 1: it to I don't know, the Bengals, FC, the Reds, whomever,

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01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:27,720
Speaker 1: well they were doing it for the Browns, and they

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01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:30,599
Speaker 1: start using this money to kick Okay, well, what happens

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01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 1: to the court rules and says, well, you can't give

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01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:35,759
Speaker 1: them money away. Do we have a whole nother level

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Speaker 1: Ohio version of the terri free funds? I mean, think

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01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:42,720
Speaker 1: about how how hard that's going to be. Now it's

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Speaker 1: on the state level. We'll get to that next. Jeff Crossman,

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Speaker 1: I said, he is the lead counsel in this case.

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Speaker 1: Really interesting guy. We'll chat about that next. Seven hundred

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Speaker 1: WWN Cincinnati, Do.

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Speaker 6: You want to be an American scot.

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Speaker 1: Plumb steel back on seven hundred w OLW. As you know,

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Speaker 1: Ohio is rating billions and unclaimed funds. That means your

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Speaker 1: old bank accounts, on cash, refund checks, forgotten deposits, it's

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Speaker 1: all in there, and they're going to use that money

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01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:09,640
Speaker 1: to build and renovate stadiums across the Buckeye State for

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Speaker 1: pro team. So we know that the former Ohio Attorney

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Speaker 1: General Mark Dan's law firm is suing to stop it.

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Speaker 1: And we've kind of got a new wrinkle here is

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01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 1: FC Cincinnati has been the latest team to apply for

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Speaker 1: some money. Here. Jeff Crossman is lead counsel in this

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Speaker 1: laws who joins the show now once again, Jeff, how you.

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Speaker 4: Been, I'm well, how are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm well, thanks, counselor. So, they created this billion dollar

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Speaker 1: sports facility grant program last year and in the budget,

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Speaker 1: I'm funded by unclaimed property. The states year mark six

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Speaker 1: hundred million for the Browns Stadium. F C Cincinnati has

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01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:44,600
Speaker 1: just applied for one hundred and almost one hundred and

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Speaker 1: forty million of the remaining four hundred million dollar pool.

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Speaker 1: Everyone's got their hand out at this point, the Bengals

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Speaker 1: f C Cincinnati. So before we get in, that is

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Speaker 1: kind of the basic give me a reset here, What

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01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:57,599
Speaker 1: exactly is the state of Hive doing with this unclaimed

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Speaker 1: money that you believe is unconstitutional.

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Speaker 4: Well, there's four point eight billion dollars in the unclaimed

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Speaker 4: funds account, which the suportible Ohio and a unanimous decision

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Speaker 4: probably in two thousand and nine of they it was

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01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:13,800
Speaker 4: and I don't know how many times there's ever been

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01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:15,960
Speaker 4: a unanimous decision on the HoFH Spreme Court, but they

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01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:19,960
Speaker 4: all agreed that the only funds represent private property for

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01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:23,439
Speaker 4: individuals in Ohio and even outside of Ohio, and what

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Speaker 4: the State of Ohio is doing is appropriating, in a

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01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:31,479
Speaker 4: sense m in domain taking for those those funds those

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01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:36,040
Speaker 4: properties and using it to give to private developers to

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Speaker 4: build their stadius. At least that's the argument in the

1491
01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:41,360
Speaker 4: case that we have perfectly depending because the only case

1492
01:13:41,479 --> 01:13:45,559
Speaker 4: for the only grant that they had acknowledged was six

1493
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:47,040
Speaker 4: hundred million dollars in the Browns.

1494
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:49,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, and now, of course set us off down here

1495
01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:51,800
Speaker 1: in Cincinnati because we don't like that. We don't like that.

1496
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:54,280
Speaker 1: So you've got that war between cities going on that

1497
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:57,400
Speaker 1: that brotherly competition, if you will. The state argues that

1498
01:13:57,479 --> 01:14:00,920
Speaker 1: laws governing abandoned property have existed for entries, and that's true.

1499
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:03,760
Speaker 1: Supreme Court is upheld them. Do you have a counter

1500
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:04,920
Speaker 1: to that or why is this different?

1501
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:08,360
Speaker 4: Well, there's two argues. One is the taking in itself

1502
01:14:08,439 --> 01:14:11,800
Speaker 4: is improper. You can't just take private property and give

1503
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:15,080
Speaker 4: it to another private owner. That's just unconstitutional and in

1504
01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 4: domain under the taking clause both in the state and

1505
01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:21,840
Speaker 4: the federal constitutions required to be a public purpose. So

1506
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:24,559
Speaker 4: that's the first argument. The second argument is they're just

1507
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:26,920
Speaker 4: not giving anybody any kind of new process here. There's

1508
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:30,280
Speaker 4: no notice individual lives notice in anybody that has property

1509
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:33,240
Speaker 4: in the end plant, there's many many people in that

1510
01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:35,960
Speaker 4: account who are completely unaware that their property is being

1511
01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:38,080
Speaker 4: appropriated for this purpose.

1512
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:41,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, but there also is I mean, this has been

1513
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:44,680
Speaker 1: law for a long time. There's a dormancy period of it.

1514
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:46,840
Speaker 1: You know, after ten years, it's kind of looked at

1515
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:49,960
Speaker 1: is permanently abandoned. And I'm sure that there's a lot

1516
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:51,240
Speaker 1: of this money out and I can't say all of

1517
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:54,160
Speaker 1: it for sure, But after ten years, we assume that

1518
01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:56,720
Speaker 1: person doesn't care or they have died, what do you

1519
01:14:56,720 --> 01:14:58,479
Speaker 1: do with that money just to sit in this account

1520
01:14:58,479 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 1: for perpetuity?

1521
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:03,679
Speaker 4: Those are valid public policy discussion points. I think if

1522
01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:06,840
Speaker 4: the legislature had had gone through that process and had

1523
01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:10,479
Speaker 4: public discussion about it, then maybe there'd be a policy

1524
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:12,760
Speaker 4: position you could land on that everybody could agree to.

1525
01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:15,280
Speaker 4: But that's not what happened here. They just passed this

1526
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 4: and basis basically a backward deal. That and night kind

1527
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:22,320
Speaker 4: of thing where you folks did have no opportunity to

1528
01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:26,160
Speaker 4: really abject or put a counterproposal on the table that

1529
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:29,000
Speaker 4: people could live with. And again, you can't abandon property

1530
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:30,920
Speaker 4: you're not aware of it. The state's not telling you

1531
01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:33,479
Speaker 4: you have property at the unplanted fund's account, Then how

1532
01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:35,439
Speaker 4: are you supposed to abandon something you're not even sure

1533
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:37,000
Speaker 4: is there is there.

1534
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:39,519
Speaker 1: A process for due diligence for people who are owed

1535
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:43,320
Speaker 1: this money, and that you also have to I guess

1536
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:46,160
Speaker 1: be responsible on your part. That there's it's kind of

1537
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:47,439
Speaker 1: like I don't know tax or have you got to

1538
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:49,639
Speaker 1: you got to get the tax refund and figure out

1539
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:51,720
Speaker 1: what what the government owes you to get your money back.

1540
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:54,200
Speaker 1: I know it's kind of a bad comparison, but you know,

1541
01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:57,000
Speaker 1: tax season, we'll use that to go with right now.

1542
01:15:57,040 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 1: In that you know, there's notifications, public notifications, there's public

1543
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:05,120
Speaker 1: service announcements. Hey, here's the unclaimed funds website. They try

1544
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:07,320
Speaker 1: to do I guess as much as they can public leaning,

1545
01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:09,639
Speaker 1: public public facing, to try and get the word out

1546
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:12,840
Speaker 1: to check your your unclaimed funds. How did you battle

1547
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:13,240
Speaker 1: against that?

1548
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:16,639
Speaker 4: Well, the US Supreme Court is at time and time

1549
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:18,559
Speaker 4: again when it comes to cry on property, it's up

1550
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:21,720
Speaker 4: to the government to provide notice to the owner to

1551
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:26,439
Speaker 4: demonstrate ownership. So you know, the government's responsibility if they're

1552
01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:29,000
Speaker 4: going to take your property to give you notice in

1553
01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:31,599
Speaker 4: an opportunity to object, and it's not happening here.

1554
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:35,479
Speaker 1: I think using the tax example, Jeff Crossman. You know,

1555
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:38,280
Speaker 1: I if I'm I don't know my taxes are off

1556
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:43,559
Speaker 1: by like twelve dollars in twenty ten. You know, somehow

1557
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:45,200
Speaker 1: they'll find me and go, hey, you know this plus

1558
01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:47,679
Speaker 1: the penalties. They're really good when we know them money.

1559
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:49,600
Speaker 1: But when it's your money, it's a different story. Like

1560
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:53,400
Speaker 1: they'll find you if you owe a tax money.

1561
01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:55,960
Speaker 4: If you if you owe a parking ticket or tax dollars,

1562
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:57,559
Speaker 4: they are going to track you down to the ends

1563
01:16:57,560 --> 01:17:00,600
Speaker 4: of your find you. Hey. So you know, what we

1564
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:04,559
Speaker 4: would propose is that the government do something else here

1565
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:07,640
Speaker 4: to provide notice to people and give them an opportunity to,

1566
01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:10,080
Speaker 4: you know, a legitimate opportunity to claim their funds. And

1567
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:12,839
Speaker 4: this can be done over different ways, through a discount

1568
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:16,080
Speaker 4: on your taxes or your vehicle registrations. There's there's got

1569
01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:18,240
Speaker 4: to be a better process than what they've engaged in here.

1570
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:22,040
Speaker 1: So a judge in Franklin County blocked the transfer with

1571
01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:25,040
Speaker 1: a temporary restraining order, then allowed it to proceed. The

1572
01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:28,680
Speaker 1: lawsuits kept alive by your firm, Jeff Crossman, what does

1573
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:30,559
Speaker 1: that mixed sigan'll tell you about where this case has

1574
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:32,680
Speaker 1: had a where it stands right now, is everything is

1575
01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:35,920
Speaker 1: still in limbo? Are they going to start distributing the

1576
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:37,679
Speaker 1: money or is this disorder still in place?

1577
01:17:38,680 --> 01:17:40,599
Speaker 4: The order is still in place. There was a temporary

1578
01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:42,760
Speaker 4: restraining order entered and at the end of the year

1579
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:46,400
Speaker 4: last year we came back to the court. In January,

1580
01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:49,519
Speaker 4: we had another hearing on whether or not the court

1581
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:53,280
Speaker 4: extend that temporary temporary restraining order to what they call

1582
01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:56,599
Speaker 4: a preliminarium junction, which would hold everything in place until

1583
01:17:56,640 --> 01:18:00,880
Speaker 4: the litigation has included. That decision hasn't reach We're waiting

1584
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:01,160
Speaker 4: on them.

1585
01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:03,040
Speaker 1: Okay, Now there's a chance they could go, yeah, you

1586
01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:04,880
Speaker 1: know what, it's illegal, go ahead and hand the money out.

1587
01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:08,960
Speaker 1: If that happens, Is this like the tariff issue in

1588
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 1: that we collected all these tariffs and the Supreme Court says, no,

1589
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:15,280
Speaker 1: you can't do that, and now we're faced with probably

1590
01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:17,639
Speaker 1: having to give the money back because everyone's lining up

1591
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:20,360
Speaker 1: in court to be first in line, first on the bus,

1592
01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:22,920
Speaker 1: gets paid. Is it a similar situation here in Ohio?

1593
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:26,200
Speaker 4: If that happens, well, if the funds go out the door,

1594
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:29,280
Speaker 4: the state's already admitted. Once the funds leave the uncleaned

1595
01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:32,360
Speaker 4: funds account, there's really no way to recover those funds.

1596
01:18:32,479 --> 01:18:37,400
Speaker 4: And in fact, what our argument was, because anybody that

1597
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:39,600
Speaker 4: has had their funds transfer out of the accounts and

1598
01:18:39,680 --> 01:18:42,040
Speaker 4: still make the claim, but they're paying those claims with

1599
01:18:42,160 --> 01:18:45,720
Speaker 4: other people's proper to any of the newer accounts that

1600
01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:48,640
Speaker 4: they've taken over. So in a sense that it's a

1601
01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:52,759
Speaker 4: bit of a Ponzie scheme in our view. And so, yeah,

1602
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:55,040
Speaker 4: so it could be that we get this, we don't

1603
01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:58,280
Speaker 4: get the injunction. The court allows the state to distribute

1604
01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:00,960
Speaker 4: these money, and then we ultimately prevail in the end

1605
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:02,800
Speaker 4: of the day in the lawsuit, and then they have

1606
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:05,280
Speaker 4: to come back and find a way to recover all

1607
01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:07,880
Speaker 4: that money, which is going to require the states either

1608
01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:12,320
Speaker 4: raising taxes or doing other things to recover that, you know,

1609
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:14,360
Speaker 4: nearly two billion dollars they've taken from.

1610
01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, to coin a phrase, it's a damn mess.

1611
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:22,040
Speaker 4: Isn't it correct? Yeah, definitely complicates.

1612
01:19:22,479 --> 01:19:25,920
Speaker 1: He's Jeff Crossman, lead council in the case involving unclaimed

1613
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:28,840
Speaker 1: funds in Ohio. You know, your bank accounts on class

1614
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:32,839
Speaker 1: on cash refund checks goes into to the unclaimed funds account.

1615
01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:35,240
Speaker 1: As we know now after ten years, that money the

1616
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:37,720
Speaker 1: plan is to take that money and give it to

1617
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:42,240
Speaker 1: local municipalities and cities to build stadiums pro stadiums. As

1618
01:19:42,280 --> 01:19:44,840
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, FC just came out and said, hey,

1619
01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 1: we need some money for this thing. We could use

1620
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:49,479
Speaker 1: some cash here. One hundred and thirty six million dollars

1621
01:19:49,960 --> 01:19:52,080
Speaker 1: Hamlet County apply for a two hundred and thirty four million

1622
01:19:52,120 --> 01:19:56,919
Speaker 1: dollars pay course stadium give back for renovations. That project

1623
01:19:57,000 --> 01:19:59,960
Speaker 1: is almost at a billion dollars now at this point too,

1624
01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:02,040
Speaker 1: So we're waiting for the reds now to go, Hey

1625
01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 1: what about us. Brown's got six hundred million and it

1626
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:07,519
Speaker 1: started this whole thing. You're now looking at a situation

1627
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:10,320
Speaker 1: where FC and Emmily and County are applying for hundreds

1628
01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:12,840
Speaker 1: of millions. So when these teams lineup, does that expansion

1629
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:15,400
Speaker 1: of the program strengthen your legal case or complicated?

1630
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:18,920
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know that it has any impact. I mean,

1631
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:20,120
Speaker 4: I think at the end of the day, we have

1632
01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:23,040
Speaker 4: to determine whether or not what they've done here is constitutional.

1633
01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:26,599
Speaker 4: If it's not constitutional, then none of these applications submitted

1634
01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:29,840
Speaker 4: are compete. There's not any money available to any of

1635
01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:33,800
Speaker 4: these applications. So you know, that's the first step, and

1636
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:37,200
Speaker 4: then after that we'll evaluate it. But there's been by

1637
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:40,600
Speaker 4: last count, I would take twenty two applications, you know,

1638
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:45,479
Speaker 4: from the Guardians to the Cavaliers, to the Bengals, to

1639
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:48,720
Speaker 4: FC Cincinnati to a group kind of put a clean

1640
01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:52,000
Speaker 4: soccer team together. So there's been the Toledo mud Hends.

1641
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:54,320
Speaker 4: I mean, there's been a number of applications submitted and

1642
01:20:54,439 --> 01:20:58,240
Speaker 4: anticipations funds might be available, but you know, the court

1643
01:20:58,360 --> 01:20:59,719
Speaker 4: needs to make its decision first.

1644
01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:03,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, the Browns got six hundred million directly appropriated,

1645
01:21:03,320 --> 01:21:06,920
Speaker 1: no application, no competition. These other teams you mentioned, including

1646
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:09,400
Speaker 1: FC Cincinnati, the Bengals had to apply for what's left

1647
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:12,879
Speaker 1: the crumbs? Does that dispare treatment have any legal impactor?

1648
01:21:14,720 --> 01:21:17,000
Speaker 4: That's that's out of the scope of our case. But

1649
01:21:17,160 --> 01:21:19,080
Speaker 4: I'm sure there's people there that will take a look

1650
01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:19,679
Speaker 4: at that question.

1651
01:21:20,240 --> 01:21:22,879
Speaker 1: Sure it will, because one thing we like in Ohio

1652
01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:25,439
Speaker 1: is Cincinnati and Cleveland fighting each other. That's for damn sure.

1653
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:29,400
Speaker 1: So how many how many Ohios does this potentially effect,

1654
01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:31,400
Speaker 1: by the way, is and how large is the class

1655
01:21:31,439 --> 01:21:32,200
Speaker 1: you're representing?

1656
01:21:33,479 --> 01:21:38,080
Speaker 4: Well, there are hundreds of thousands of individual accounts. It's

1657
01:21:38,120 --> 01:21:41,639
Speaker 4: not just people in Ohio. There's people outside of states,

1658
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:44,240
Speaker 4: outside of the United States that have funds in this account.

1659
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:47,080
Speaker 4: You know, JP Mortgage j uh you know they have

1660
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:50,719
Speaker 4: accounts everywhere that everywhere in the world. People have accounts

1661
01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:53,720
Speaker 4: a little all over the world. JP Mortgage Chase is

1662
01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:57,200
Speaker 4: one example of a company that's depositing unclaim funds in

1663
01:21:57,280 --> 01:21:59,880
Speaker 4: Ohio's account, even though those folks may not have any

1664
01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:02,960
Speaker 4: relationship with the state of Ohio. This is what I'm

1665
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:05,640
Speaker 4: talking about. If you're taking people's property, they may not

1666
01:22:05,680 --> 01:22:08,240
Speaker 4: be aware that their funds are in Ohio's account, even

1667
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:10,040
Speaker 4: though they might live in New York or Tokyo.

1668
01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:13,280
Speaker 1: Do you have an idea what the average dollar amount

1669
01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:15,679
Speaker 1: would be what people have at stake.

1670
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:19,160
Speaker 4: I think that's a good question. I think it varies.

1671
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:23,240
Speaker 4: We've heard anywhere from ten bucks to ten thousand bucks,

1672
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:26,439
Speaker 4: even more. I mean there was the Animal Protective League

1673
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:30,799
Speaker 4: League in an acron had over one hundred eight thousand

1674
01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:32,559
Speaker 4: dollars in the accounts that they were run aware of.

1675
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:35,519
Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, I went and got I think it was

1676
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:37,519
Speaker 1: last year. I did it and got a couple hundred

1677
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:39,640
Speaker 1: dollars back from something, So I was pretty happy By

1678
01:22:39,680 --> 01:22:41,200
Speaker 1: that because I didn't want the Browns to get my

1679
01:22:41,200 --> 01:22:44,000
Speaker 1: money and squander it on ruining another quarterback. I can't

1680
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:45,960
Speaker 1: have that blood on my hands, Jeff, I can't have

1681
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:47,000
Speaker 1: that blood on my hands.

1682
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:50,040
Speaker 4: I think a lot of people in Cleveland would SIMPERVISEE.

1683
01:22:51,720 --> 01:22:54,880
Speaker 1: We got our own problems here. So the performance grant

1684
01:22:54,920 --> 01:22:59,000
Speaker 1: program requires that the revenue generated by the stadium district's

1685
01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:02,400
Speaker 1: payback the grant over sixteen years. This may also be

1686
01:23:02,439 --> 01:23:04,920
Speaker 1: outside of your scope. But if the economics don't work

1687
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:06,840
Speaker 1: out there and the teams can't cover the shortfall, then

1688
01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:09,040
Speaker 1: are tax PARI still on the hook? Who covers that?

1689
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:12,559
Speaker 4: Well? I think if they give it, if it's a

1690
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:15,360
Speaker 4: grant money, the inflication is that that money not kind

1691
01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:17,840
Speaker 4: of peper payment. It's really murky whether or not that

1692
01:23:17,920 --> 01:23:19,880
Speaker 4: there is an obligation to be pay if we haven't

1693
01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:20,839
Speaker 4: guide it into a detail.

1694
01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:21,080
Speaker 2: Bum.

1695
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:23,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a grant not alone, right.

1696
01:23:23,680 --> 01:23:24,880
Speaker 4: That's what they're claiming it is.

1697
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:28,559
Speaker 1: Huh. If this succeeds, what happens to the money? Well,

1698
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:30,880
Speaker 1: you know, the money's kind of like in limbo right now.

1699
01:23:31,439 --> 01:23:32,960
Speaker 1: We're never going to be able to claw that back,

1700
01:23:33,240 --> 01:23:35,080
Speaker 1: is kind of what you pointed out. And that's a

1701
01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:38,000
Speaker 1: disturbing part because I'd imagine that would just you'd have

1702
01:23:38,040 --> 01:23:40,479
Speaker 1: a flood of lawsuits going back and forth the state

1703
01:23:40,520 --> 01:23:42,439
Speaker 1: would It'd be in chaos if they had to pay

1704
01:23:42,479 --> 01:23:44,000
Speaker 1: it back, it'd have to come to the general fund.

1705
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:46,559
Speaker 1: You're talking money from schools and everything else. There's a

1706
01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:49,080
Speaker 1: local municipality here, I forget where the same thing happened. Guy

1707
01:23:49,200 --> 01:23:52,679
Speaker 1: was I think falsely charged and arrested, and they sued

1708
01:23:52,720 --> 01:23:54,439
Speaker 1: them in won and they don't have any money to

1709
01:23:54,479 --> 01:23:56,040
Speaker 1: pay him back. They don't know what to do. They

1710
01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:58,880
Speaker 1: might have to start selling assets at this small community

1711
01:23:59,160 --> 01:24:01,880
Speaker 1: to pay this guy's forty two million dollar claim. Could

1712
01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:02,799
Speaker 1: that happen in Ohio?

1713
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:07,120
Speaker 4: I think anything's possible. And I think the general sense

1714
01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:09,080
Speaker 4: that I've received up here in Northeast Ohio is the

1715
01:24:09,080 --> 01:24:13,679
Speaker 4: people are outraged that they're being to give billionaires millionaires

1716
01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:17,760
Speaker 4: and billionaires additional millions the construct facilities that really they

1717
01:24:17,960 --> 01:24:21,519
Speaker 4: benefit from. Its socializing the cost of everything. You know,

1718
01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:24,320
Speaker 4: all these billionaires hate socialism, but they love it when

1719
01:24:24,320 --> 01:24:26,800
Speaker 4: they can socialize the cost of something as long as

1720
01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:29,400
Speaker 4: they can capitalize on the benefits of it. Yeah, and

1721
01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:31,320
Speaker 4: that's what's happening here, and that's the reason why people

1722
01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:31,920
Speaker 4: are so ugrly.

1723
01:24:32,120 --> 01:24:35,280
Speaker 1: Right, Jeff Crossman, I think you've have mentioned when I

1724
01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:36,920
Speaker 1: had you on last on the show. I think you said, Hey,

1725
01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:38,200
Speaker 1: if we got to take this all the way to

1726
01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:42,240
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court, we'll do that. There's no time on that, obviously,

1727
01:24:42,280 --> 01:24:45,200
Speaker 1: But is there a particular to legal theory, because you're

1728
01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:47,360
Speaker 1: always planning ahead for these things too. A legal theory

1729
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:49,800
Speaker 1: in particular gives your best shot at getting the court

1730
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:51,400
Speaker 1: to take the case. Have you thought that far ahead?

1731
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:54,920
Speaker 4: We have one case that's currently spending in the six

1732
01:24:54,960 --> 01:24:57,160
Speaker 4: Circuit Court of Appeals right there at Cincinnati. We had

1733
01:24:57,200 --> 01:24:59,320
Speaker 4: followed one case in federal court and the other cases

1734
01:24:59,320 --> 01:25:03,679
Speaker 4: spending court. So we're constantly evaluating our case and legal theories,

1735
01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:05,680
Speaker 4: and you know we're going to take the best packboard

1736
01:25:06,280 --> 01:25:06,960
Speaker 4: until we win.

1737
01:25:07,240 --> 01:25:09,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is the timeline here? What's the next step

1738
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:10,040
Speaker 1: from the court.

1739
01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:12,920
Speaker 4: We're waiting on the court to make a decision. I

1740
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:14,640
Speaker 4: think it's any day that the Court's going to come

1741
01:25:14,640 --> 01:25:17,679
Speaker 4: out with an opinion on these junctions should last through

1742
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:20,599
Speaker 4: the conclusion of the case. If that's the case, then

1743
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:23,960
Speaker 4: we'll continue litigating this and we're you know, state has

1744
01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:26,320
Speaker 4: the option of we're evaluating a position.

1745
01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:28,439
Speaker 1: I know what you're hoping for, but what what do

1746
01:25:28,439 --> 01:25:29,479
Speaker 1: you think actually happens there?

1747
01:25:31,439 --> 01:25:34,479
Speaker 4: Any You know, I'm practicing law too long that it's

1748
01:25:34,479 --> 01:25:38,000
Speaker 4: the day to enter a prediction. Uh, you know, you

1749
01:25:38,040 --> 01:25:42,160
Speaker 4: know human beings aren't computer formulas rights right?

1750
01:25:42,240 --> 01:25:43,880
Speaker 1: Well, this day and age, though, you know, we have

1751
01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:46,080
Speaker 1: these ancillary betting markets where we can go and bet

1752
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:48,360
Speaker 1: on anything. How long this conversation is going to go

1753
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:51,600
Speaker 1: someone maybe betting on that they can maybe make some

1754
01:25:51,680 --> 01:25:54,559
Speaker 1: money off it too. So it's interesting we kind of

1755
01:25:54,560 --> 01:25:57,040
Speaker 1: have that wager going on. But I would think that

1756
01:25:57,439 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 1: they're you know, obviously very very smart people in the court. Look,

1757
01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:02,120
Speaker 1: and I going, well, if we just release this money

1758
01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:04,839
Speaker 1: and it gets shot down by the Supreme Court, then

1759
01:26:05,240 --> 01:26:07,600
Speaker 1: we are literally opening up a Pandora's box. It's like

1760
01:26:07,640 --> 01:26:10,000
Speaker 1: the tariff thing all over again, and that should scare

1761
01:26:10,040 --> 01:26:10,759
Speaker 1: anyone listening.

1762
01:26:12,439 --> 01:26:14,920
Speaker 4: Yeah. Look, we've made the best argument we think we

1763
01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:18,759
Speaker 4: can to justify our position, and we think the safe

1764
01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:21,320
Speaker 4: of that here is to just hold everything in place.

1765
01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:25,200
Speaker 4: Let's continue to litigate this and get to the meat

1766
01:26:25,240 --> 01:26:26,719
Speaker 4: of it and see where we landed.

1767
01:26:27,200 --> 01:26:30,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're thinking any day.

1768
01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:34,320
Speaker 4: And look, I mean to your point, I mean, people

1769
01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:38,960
Speaker 4: are basically brought that. The Browns started digging Monday, so

1770
01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:42,439
Speaker 4: you know, ground had broken on the stadium construction. We

1771
01:26:42,479 --> 01:26:44,559
Speaker 4: think that the stadium is going to get regardless of

1772
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:47,439
Speaker 4: what the state jack. Six hundred million dollars. People can

1773
01:26:47,560 --> 01:26:48,920
Speaker 4: claiming fun right.

1774
01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:51,040
Speaker 1: Right, Well, I mean, you know, taking this thing back.

1775
01:26:51,080 --> 01:26:52,920
Speaker 1: We wouldn't even be having this discussion if they just

1776
01:26:52,960 --> 01:26:54,559
Speaker 1: would have said, you know what, we're going to add

1777
01:26:54,560 --> 01:26:58,240
Speaker 1: just a little bit more tax to online wagering, e

1778
01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:01,000
Speaker 1: gaming and the like. It's like a slam donkey. Yet

1779
01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:04,000
Speaker 1: they didn't want to do that. Doing this is way

1780
01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:05,840
Speaker 1: more perilous legally speaking than.

1781
01:27:05,680 --> 01:27:10,799
Speaker 4: That raising taxes or using the box the state bonding capacity.

1782
01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:13,920
Speaker 4: Those are public policy determinations where you know, folks like

1783
01:27:13,960 --> 01:27:16,960
Speaker 4: me wouldn't have been really any reason to challenge that

1784
01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:22,519
Speaker 4: process where you're implicating constitutional concern you're taking people's property

1785
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:26,600
Speaker 4: without any due process, any right to object, you know,

1786
01:27:26,640 --> 01:27:30,519
Speaker 4: without any public purpose. That's where it opens the door

1787
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:33,080
Speaker 4: for people like me to just file legal challenges. And

1788
01:27:33,080 --> 01:27:34,920
Speaker 4: the governor was aware that when he signed it, was

1789
01:27:35,320 --> 01:27:37,599
Speaker 4: disappointed that he would even put the state of that position.

1790
01:27:37,720 --> 01:27:40,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems like it's a much harder road what

1791
01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:42,599
Speaker 1: we're doing here than it would have been going after

1792
01:27:42,640 --> 01:27:45,760
Speaker 1: the gaming, taxing them another half a percent or whatever

1793
01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:48,599
Speaker 1: it was, and other states are taxing much more. So

1794
01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:52,000
Speaker 1: it's this is the least effects offensive tax I would guess,

1795
01:27:52,240 --> 01:27:54,839
Speaker 1: in my opinion, would be the gaming thing, as opposed

1796
01:27:54,880 --> 01:27:57,600
Speaker 1: to going after unclaimed funds. He's Jeff Crossman. He's a

1797
01:27:57,680 --> 01:28:00,679
Speaker 1: lead counsel in this case involving unclaimed funds in Ohio.

1798
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:03,120
Speaker 1: So if you have money in that account, you probably

1799
01:28:03,200 --> 01:28:06,520
Speaker 1: get online and check and make sure you don't. Otherwise

1800
01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:08,679
Speaker 1: it could very well be in the hands of the Browns,

1801
01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:12,479
Speaker 1: the Bengals, FC, the Reds, the mud Hens, and whatever

1802
01:28:12,520 --> 01:28:15,639
Speaker 1: other team wants a stadium built with your your cash. Jeff,

1803
01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:17,280
Speaker 1: all the best, buddy, Thanks for coming on the show again.

1804
01:28:17,320 --> 01:28:21,280
Speaker 1: Be Welser. My pleas take care of the latest traffic, weather,

1805
01:28:21,439 --> 01:28:24,400
Speaker 1: and war news. Of course, war news. We're at war,

1806
01:28:24,520 --> 01:28:27,640
Speaker 1: you know, is about five minutes away. With that, and

1807
01:28:27,720 --> 01:28:29,720
Speaker 1: then when we return, Sarah Least jumps in. We've got

1808
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:32,160
Speaker 1: Trey Henderson to talk about, We've got Reds to talk about,

1809
01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:35,880
Speaker 1: We've got Miami going for perfection to talk about that

1810
01:28:36,040 --> 01:28:38,400
Speaker 1: and more. Sarah Lease and the Snort Report. Next seven

1811
01:28:38,479 --> 01:28:41,800
Speaker 1: hundred WLW does S three up some more money for

1812
01:28:41,800 --> 01:28:44,040
Speaker 1: the Bengals. We got Miami being perfect, we got Reds

1813
01:28:44,080 --> 01:28:47,639
Speaker 1: baseball lots to do. Sarah Lease and the Snort Report?

1814
01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:48,680
Speaker 1: Next seven hundred W.

1815
01:28:48,840 --> 01:28:49,080
Speaker 2: All the.

1816
01:29:06,439 --> 01:29:08,479
Speaker 1: Do you feel snorty today? Because I got the sense

1817
01:29:08,520 --> 01:29:09,280
Speaker 1: you're not gonna snort.

1818
01:29:09,640 --> 01:29:13,160
Speaker 6: Really, I'm a little fired up today. Up, I'm excited

1819
01:29:13,160 --> 01:29:15,840
Speaker 6: about my Miami Redhocks. I guess that's what we're gonna

1820
01:29:15,840 --> 01:29:16,559
Speaker 6: start with again today.

1821
01:29:16,640 --> 01:29:17,800
Speaker 1: I thought they lost last night.

1822
01:29:17,920 --> 01:29:17,960
Speaker 2: No.

1823
01:29:18,479 --> 01:29:21,960
Speaker 6: Seventy four to seventy two was the final over Toledo

1824
01:29:22,080 --> 01:29:23,320
Speaker 6: for that final home game.

1825
01:29:23,400 --> 01:29:26,240
Speaker 1: I thought, for sure, with the front running bandwagon, remember

1826
01:29:26,280 --> 01:29:27,920
Speaker 1: that you are, you'd be wearing Miami gear. But you

1827
01:29:27,960 --> 01:29:29,920
Speaker 1: got all Reds gear on today. So I thought they lost. Well,

1828
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:31,519
Speaker 1: I was, so you jump back on the Reds band.

1829
01:29:31,720 --> 01:29:34,280
Speaker 6: I was so excited about them beating the Cubs the

1830
01:29:34,400 --> 01:29:37,240
Speaker 6: other day, so it's carrying over. I mean, there's only

1831
01:29:37,320 --> 01:29:39,479
Speaker 6: so much that I can show every day between Miami

1832
01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:40,840
Speaker 6: and Reds and all my excited.

1833
01:29:40,760 --> 01:29:43,320
Speaker 1: About beating the Cousins. You know, it's a screamager.

1834
01:29:43,439 --> 01:29:47,360
Speaker 6: I'm aware. I almost brought in my diploma for you today,

1835
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:50,800
Speaker 6: just to prove to you that I am a red Hawk. Look,

1836
01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:54,800
Speaker 6: did graduate in twenty ten. My dad made this beautiful

1837
01:29:55,000 --> 01:29:57,840
Speaker 6: frame for me. Okay, it's got the little tassel hanging

1838
01:29:57,920 --> 01:29:58,200
Speaker 6: up there.

1839
01:29:58,760 --> 01:30:01,200
Speaker 1: It's a Max School relaxed. I don't see me very

1840
01:30:01,280 --> 01:30:03,200
Speaker 1: my bowling green diploma here, do we should?

1841
01:30:03,200 --> 01:30:04,960
Speaker 6: We should all bring the diploma cent and just stack

1842
01:30:05,040 --> 01:30:05,280
Speaker 6: them up.

1843
01:30:05,479 --> 01:30:11,680
Speaker 1: It's on an et just sketch. Anyway, I've taken your

1844
01:30:11,680 --> 01:30:16,240
Speaker 1: word for it. This wrote you a letter congratulate. Yeah, yeah,

1845
01:30:16,280 --> 01:30:17,519
Speaker 1: right exactly. It's on parchment.

1846
01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:20,080
Speaker 6: Oh yeah. Now the red Hawks are thirty and oh

1847
01:30:20,240 --> 01:30:23,320
Speaker 6: and of course making history. Uh yeah, and they'll wrap

1848
01:30:23,400 --> 01:30:26,880
Speaker 6: it up Friday night, nine o'clock against oh year years

1849
01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:27,280
Speaker 6: and then.

1850
01:30:27,200 --> 01:30:28,639
Speaker 1: By the way, Sara at least from one oh two

1851
01:30:28,680 --> 01:30:30,800
Speaker 1: seven e BN, she does Mornings with Kid Chris is

1852
01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:33,120
Speaker 1: the Kid Chris Show. She pops in and does snorts

1853
01:30:33,160 --> 01:30:36,040
Speaker 1: of all sorts. It's sports slash social media on this

1854
01:30:36,120 --> 01:30:38,200
Speaker 1: Wednesday morning. Good time to get ready for the weekend

1855
01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:40,200
Speaker 1: upcoming here, sports, sports and more sports.

1856
01:30:40,240 --> 01:30:41,000
Speaker 6: Ready for the going on.

1857
01:30:41,160 --> 01:30:43,120
Speaker 1: You know, it's entirely possible I'm not saying this is

1858
01:30:43,160 --> 01:30:45,880
Speaker 1: going to happen, but if Miami loses this final game

1859
01:30:46,160 --> 01:30:48,680
Speaker 1: and they lose the tournament, they will not be in

1860
01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:49,240
Speaker 1: the dance.

1861
01:30:49,280 --> 01:30:52,120
Speaker 6: Well they should, they should, they absolutely should.

1862
01:30:52,200 --> 01:30:54,599
Speaker 1: They have earned it if they win the tournament there

1863
01:30:54,600 --> 01:30:56,120
Speaker 1: and so you're you're in any way. But let's say

1864
01:30:56,160 --> 01:30:58,600
Speaker 1: they went out and losing the tournament, there's there's a

1865
01:30:58,720 --> 01:31:01,040
Speaker 1: chance they don't make the trim. That would be egregious

1866
01:31:01,240 --> 01:31:04,200
Speaker 1: because it's store absolutely.

1867
01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:05,680
Speaker 6: And I feel like a lot of the country is

1868
01:31:05,880 --> 01:31:09,800
Speaker 6: rooting for this underdog, and it's really cool to see

1869
01:31:09,880 --> 01:31:13,600
Speaker 6: like all the national people giving them the recognition that

1870
01:31:13,680 --> 01:31:14,200
Speaker 6: they deserve.

1871
01:31:14,280 --> 01:31:15,960
Speaker 1: If they'd be a nine seed right now, I thought

1872
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:17,760
Speaker 1: I saw it, yeah, or the case now.

1873
01:31:17,720 --> 01:31:20,759
Speaker 6: They're ranked at what nineteen? But if they their last.

1874
01:31:20,680 --> 01:31:23,040
Speaker 1: Rank, they lose a final game and and go and

1875
01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:25,640
Speaker 1: win the tournament, you think, well that that's gotta be

1876
01:31:25,680 --> 01:31:28,120
Speaker 1: good for like a fourteen seed, right twelve fourteen seeds.

1877
01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:29,760
Speaker 6: And I would like to see them play better on

1878
01:31:29,880 --> 01:31:31,760
Speaker 6: Friday than what they did last. But you knows, a

1879
01:31:31,800 --> 01:31:32,519
Speaker 6: little tough last.

1880
01:31:33,080 --> 01:31:34,519
Speaker 1: You're not going to run the table unless you're the

1881
01:31:34,600 --> 01:31:36,600
Speaker 1: US Women's Olympic ice Hockey team. You're not going to

1882
01:31:36,680 --> 01:31:38,840
Speaker 1: run the table, correct, Yeah. Not every game can be

1883
01:31:38,920 --> 01:31:41,760
Speaker 1: flawless like that. So so yeah, they'll wrap it up then.

1884
01:31:41,760 --> 01:31:44,800
Speaker 6: And Travis Steel said on Selection Sunday, if they are

1885
01:31:45,080 --> 01:31:49,400
Speaker 6: still undefeated, that man is planning on wearing a speedo.

1886
01:31:51,960 --> 01:31:52,800
Speaker 1: Do we want to see that?

1887
01:31:53,120 --> 01:31:55,599
Speaker 6: He's like, I've never worn one before. He's like, I'm

1888
01:31:55,600 --> 01:31:57,640
Speaker 6: gonna have my wife pick it out. But yeah, I

1889
01:31:57,680 --> 01:31:59,800
Speaker 6: want to see them go undefeated. Just for the Travis

1890
01:31:59,840 --> 01:32:01,000
Speaker 6: speedo situation.

1891
01:32:01,160 --> 01:32:02,960
Speaker 1: It's like Jill Domin where he takes his shirt off

1892
01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:06,280
Speaker 1: at the at the West the Waste Management out in Phoenix.

1893
01:32:06,320 --> 01:32:08,400
Speaker 1: He's running around caause he had a whole of one. Sure, yeah,

1894
01:32:08,439 --> 01:32:08,920
Speaker 1: that's what I mean.

1895
01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:10,840
Speaker 6: I think he's so fired up. I mean he's like

1896
01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:14,200
Speaker 6: punching speakers and wearing speedos. It's crazy. So yeah, he

1897
01:32:14,280 --> 01:32:16,280
Speaker 6: did get that twenty five hundred dollars fine after that

1898
01:32:16,400 --> 01:32:19,080
Speaker 6: Friday night game when he took out the DJ speaker

1899
01:32:19,080 --> 01:32:22,160
Speaker 6: and he said he'll replace the equipment. There is a

1900
01:32:22,280 --> 01:32:25,640
Speaker 6: go fund me on social media if you want to

1901
01:32:25,720 --> 01:32:28,920
Speaker 6: contribute to Travis Steele's twenty five hundred dollars fine, which

1902
01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:30,320
Speaker 6: is absolutely ridiculous.

1903
01:32:30,479 --> 01:32:31,479
Speaker 1: Somebody's going to pick that up.

1904
01:32:31,640 --> 01:32:34,400
Speaker 6: So there's already been like three hundred dollars donated to it.

1905
01:32:34,479 --> 01:32:36,280
Speaker 6: I'm like, mister's already paid it up. Yeah, I'm like,

1906
01:32:36,320 --> 01:32:39,800
Speaker 6: twenty five hundred dollars is not so big. It's not

1907
01:32:39,840 --> 01:32:42,200
Speaker 6: as much as I was. I was thinking he was

1908
01:32:42,200 --> 01:32:43,559
Speaker 6: going to get like a twenty thousand dollars.

1909
01:32:43,600 --> 01:32:46,160
Speaker 1: Fine, what happens if your other alma mater?

1910
01:32:46,280 --> 01:32:48,800
Speaker 6: You see, Oh my god, you see they looked to

1911
01:32:48,840 --> 01:32:50,800
Speaker 6: God last night to they really turned it around over

1912
01:32:50,880 --> 01:32:53,800
Speaker 6: the past three weeks. They got the win and it

1913
01:32:53,880 --> 01:32:55,320
Speaker 6: was a late night though I didn't get to see

1914
01:32:55,400 --> 01:32:56,719
Speaker 6: much of it. Yeah, nine to fifteen.

1915
01:32:56,800 --> 01:32:58,519
Speaker 1: Tip off for that I was talking about was having

1916
01:32:58,520 --> 01:33:01,719
Speaker 1: dinner or some UC friends of mine and they're like, Yeah, secretly,

1917
01:33:01,920 --> 01:33:03,800
Speaker 1: it's like, I'm kind of know with west It's like

1918
01:33:04,320 --> 01:33:06,600
Speaker 1: could if they wind up losing out, they'll make the

1919
01:33:06,600 --> 01:33:08,200
Speaker 1: tournament they get rid of west Mill. Not that they're

1920
01:33:08,200 --> 01:33:09,960
Speaker 1: going to, but I don't think they will. I don't

1921
01:33:09,960 --> 01:33:13,000
Speaker 1: think they should either, because they're they're he's turning it around. Yes,

1922
01:33:13,760 --> 01:33:18,400
Speaker 1: they would go after Travis Steele, the ultimate f unbelievable.

1923
01:33:18,600 --> 01:33:19,560
Speaker 1: That'd be unbelievable.

1924
01:33:19,760 --> 01:33:22,760
Speaker 6: Travis said that he wants to stay with Miami. That's

1925
01:33:22,840 --> 01:33:23,479
Speaker 6: what he said.

1926
01:33:25,360 --> 01:33:26,680
Speaker 1: I think there's something to be said for them. He

1927
01:33:26,800 --> 01:33:29,479
Speaker 1: was a good size program and and it's hathing to

1928
01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:32,120
Speaker 1: be said about being a big fish in a small pond. Absolutely,

1929
01:33:32,600 --> 01:33:35,400
Speaker 1: Enrico Blasi, Miami's hockey head coach.

1930
01:33:36,560 --> 01:33:36,920
Speaker 2: He was at.

1931
01:33:36,960 --> 01:33:39,439
Speaker 1: I mean, he made incredible money, took him to the

1932
01:33:39,640 --> 01:33:41,560
Speaker 1: like literally a couple of plates away from win in

1933
01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:43,720
Speaker 1: the national title. Uh, it didn't work out in the

1934
01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:46,000
Speaker 1: long term, but you know again, it's like there's somebody

1935
01:33:46,080 --> 01:33:46,600
Speaker 1: said about that.

1936
01:33:46,800 --> 01:33:48,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, he said that he and his wife and the family,

1937
01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:50,840
Speaker 6: they're all very happy there and he does not see

1938
01:33:51,200 --> 01:33:52,360
Speaker 6: himself going anywhere else.

1939
01:33:52,400 --> 01:33:54,400
Speaker 1: And the kids go to school locally here, so they'll

1940
01:33:54,439 --> 01:33:55,200
Speaker 1: go to uh.

1941
01:33:55,240 --> 01:34:00,439
Speaker 6: Yeah family, Yeah, why not? And I do too. I

1942
01:34:00,640 --> 01:34:03,599
Speaker 6: liked seeing him fired up on Friday night. Unpopular opinion,

1943
01:34:03,680 --> 01:34:05,680
Speaker 6: but I appreciated his little crash out. I'm like, look,

1944
01:34:05,720 --> 01:34:08,720
Speaker 6: I get it, dude. He doesn't want to lose. He

1945
01:34:08,840 --> 01:34:12,000
Speaker 6: takes the job serious. And to celebrate the win last night.

1946
01:34:12,040 --> 01:34:14,280
Speaker 6: Since they are now thirty and oh, our friends at

1947
01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:16,960
Speaker 6: Cynthy's shirts have a big sale going on right now.

1948
01:34:17,040 --> 01:34:18,400
Speaker 6: So if you do want to hop on, get on

1949
01:34:18,439 --> 01:34:21,960
Speaker 6: the bandwagon celebrate Miami. All of their Miami gear is

1950
01:34:22,080 --> 01:34:24,200
Speaker 6: thirty percent off. I just wanted to throw that plug

1951
01:34:24,280 --> 01:34:27,519
Speaker 6: out there at Sincy' shirts. Yeah, I love justinuys over there.

1952
01:34:28,320 --> 01:34:30,120
Speaker 1: This is not a plug in. What's the website? If

1953
01:34:30,160 --> 01:34:31,200
Speaker 1: I were interested in getting your.

1954
01:34:31,600 --> 01:34:34,360
Speaker 6: Sincy shirts, you'll figure it out. I was there yesterday,

1955
01:34:34,439 --> 01:34:36,880
Speaker 6: sopped up on some red skier. Great group over there.

1956
01:34:36,920 --> 01:34:38,760
Speaker 1: Are you're working a plug in? Is that what this was?

1957
01:34:38,800 --> 01:34:39,799
Speaker 1: Because that was just shameless?

1958
01:34:39,840 --> 01:34:40,120
Speaker 2: You know what?

1959
01:34:40,320 --> 01:34:42,639
Speaker 6: Yeah, I have no problem plugging my friends.

1960
01:34:42,479 --> 01:34:42,760
Speaker 2: Call you.

1961
01:34:45,000 --> 01:34:46,360
Speaker 1: Cry well absolutely.

1962
01:34:46,400 --> 01:34:49,320
Speaker 6: Speaking of our Cincinnati Reds, they had the day off yesterday,

1963
01:34:49,439 --> 01:34:51,760
Speaker 6: but they are back at it today for that exhibition

1964
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:52,920
Speaker 6: game against.

1965
01:34:52,680 --> 01:34:54,479
Speaker 1: Cuba, Copa Cuba, Cuba.

1966
01:34:54,560 --> 01:34:57,200
Speaker 6: Here on these airwaves at three oh five. First pitch.

1967
01:34:57,360 --> 01:34:59,800
Speaker 6: Not sure who's pitching today, that has not yet been

1968
01:35:01,280 --> 01:35:04,400
Speaker 6: But are we looking I think we're looking pretty good.

1969
01:35:04,880 --> 01:35:08,200
Speaker 6: We're looking really good. Matt's back, Matt McLean is back

1970
01:35:08,280 --> 01:35:11,480
Speaker 6: like a five seventy one. He's eight for fourteen, absolutely

1971
01:35:11,600 --> 01:35:13,600
Speaker 6: crushing the ball. And this is the kind of turnaround

1972
01:35:13,760 --> 01:35:16,080
Speaker 6: that we were praying to see, especially in the off season,

1973
01:35:16,120 --> 01:35:18,320
Speaker 6: hoping that Matt would get it together and look, I

1974
01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:21,200
Speaker 6: believe in Maddie. I'm excited for what I've seen so far.

1975
01:35:21,240 --> 01:35:23,160
Speaker 6: I mean, I know we're only two weeks into spring training,

1976
01:35:23,240 --> 01:35:25,479
Speaker 6: but it's really cool. And I feel like Tito Francona

1977
01:35:25,560 --> 01:35:27,680
Speaker 6: has a lot of faith in this kid, which is

1978
01:35:27,920 --> 01:35:30,959
Speaker 6: something that you want. I'm going to give you the confidence.

1979
01:35:31,360 --> 01:35:33,080
Speaker 6: If you have a manager it's giving you a hard time.

1980
01:35:33,160 --> 01:35:34,800
Speaker 6: It's like, well, why would I want to go out

1981
01:35:34,800 --> 01:35:35,960
Speaker 6: there and do good things for this team?

1982
01:35:36,120 --> 01:35:37,519
Speaker 1: I look pretty deep right now. It's cool.

1983
01:35:37,720 --> 01:35:39,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, So Tito Francona the other day, he was on

1984
01:35:39,800 --> 01:35:41,720
Speaker 6: a podcast and he was like, look, I know that

1985
01:35:41,760 --> 01:35:44,120
Speaker 6: we've got a really young team here, but this ain't

1986
01:35:44,120 --> 01:35:46,080
Speaker 6: our first rodeo. We've got a few years under our

1987
01:35:46,120 --> 01:35:48,519
Speaker 6: belt together. We went to the playoffs last year. He's like,

1988
01:35:48,600 --> 01:35:50,920
Speaker 6: we are ready to compete this year against all the

1989
01:35:51,000 --> 01:35:53,160
Speaker 6: serious teams and we're looking to go back to the

1990
01:35:53,200 --> 01:35:54,519
Speaker 6: playoffs again and go even further.

1991
01:35:54,680 --> 01:35:55,400
Speaker 1: So I love that.

1992
01:35:55,640 --> 01:35:58,080
Speaker 6: I absolutely love that Tito's fired up about this team,

1993
01:35:58,120 --> 01:35:59,840
Speaker 6: and so am I. And I think, you know, bringing

1994
01:36:00,160 --> 01:36:03,200
Speaker 6: Ahano Suarez and looking at the adjustments that Ellie has

1995
01:36:03,240 --> 01:36:05,280
Speaker 6: made and he's healthy, and I mean, look at our

1996
01:36:05,400 --> 01:36:10,200
Speaker 6: rotation alone, that's excited to south. Stewart's down thirty pounds

1997
01:36:10,280 --> 01:36:12,360
Speaker 6: and he's raking as well. He had a couple bombs

1998
01:36:12,360 --> 01:36:14,840
Speaker 6: the other day, and I mean, damn, I'm excited about

1999
01:36:14,840 --> 01:36:17,320
Speaker 6: the offense. But of course the rotation. You've got Hunter

2000
01:36:17,479 --> 01:36:21,240
Speaker 6: Green and Andrew Abbott and oh my gosh, why can

2001
01:36:21,280 --> 01:36:25,639
Speaker 6: I not think right now Brady's singer and they're obviously

2002
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:27,240
Speaker 6: fighting for that fist spot? Is it going to be

2003
01:36:27,360 --> 01:36:28,800
Speaker 6: Chase Burns? Is going to be Rehet Louder?

2004
01:36:28,880 --> 01:36:30,439
Speaker 1: Who do you think it's gonna because Rehet Louder is

2005
01:36:30,479 --> 01:36:32,559
Speaker 1: I think I probably not any he pitched the gem,

2006
01:36:32,760 --> 01:36:32,960
Speaker 1: but he.

2007
01:36:33,000 --> 01:36:34,519
Speaker 6: Looked great the other day. I think it's going to

2008
01:36:34,560 --> 01:36:34,920
Speaker 6: be Rhett.

2009
01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:35,639
Speaker 1: What a good fight.

2010
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:38,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, he looked really really good. Why can't I think

2011
01:36:38,360 --> 01:36:40,880
Speaker 6: of the other end the rotations? And we've got Hunter

2012
01:36:41,000 --> 01:36:44,439
Speaker 6: Green Andrew Rabbit, Brady singer, and I'm missing somebody else

2013
01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:51,280
Speaker 6: in that fourth spot? My brain? Yeah, because fighting for

2014
01:36:51,400 --> 01:36:53,040
Speaker 6: that fifth is either Chase or Rhett.

2015
01:36:53,439 --> 01:36:56,000
Speaker 1: It'll come back because we're thinking that totally come back

2016
01:36:56,040 --> 01:36:56,280
Speaker 1: to us.

2017
01:36:56,360 --> 01:36:59,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, right now they are totally screaming at us. Please

2018
01:36:59,560 --> 01:37:02,880
Speaker 6: allow us some grace here, But I think it's gonna

2019
01:37:02,880 --> 01:37:05,280
Speaker 6: be red. I was really impressed by him, and you know,

2020
01:37:05,400 --> 01:37:07,360
Speaker 6: listening to Cowboy the other day, he was hyping him up.

2021
01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:09,560
Speaker 6: He's like, this is the best pitching performance that we

2022
01:37:09,640 --> 01:37:11,840
Speaker 6: have seen all Springs so far. And I could not

2023
01:37:11,960 --> 01:37:17,720
Speaker 6: agree more with that. Yeah, Nick Lodolo, dol dolo, there

2024
01:37:17,920 --> 01:37:22,920
Speaker 6: we go, guy, Yeah, Nick Lodolo, so excited about the rotation,

2025
01:37:23,040 --> 01:37:26,559
Speaker 6: excited about a lot of stuff. Something trending on social media.

2026
01:37:26,680 --> 01:37:31,760
Speaker 6: These all you can eat seats at Bush Stadium, our

2027
01:37:31,840 --> 01:37:33,599
Speaker 6: divisional friends here in Saint Louis.

2028
01:37:34,280 --> 01:37:36,719
Speaker 1: I think Bush Stadium, Yeah, I think people.

2029
01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:38,880
Speaker 6: Forgot that we do have those here in Cincinnati. I'm

2030
01:37:38,920 --> 01:37:41,080
Speaker 6: just here to remind you we do have an all

2031
01:37:41,160 --> 01:37:43,599
Speaker 6: you can eat stand for twenty six bucks.

2032
01:37:44,360 --> 01:37:46,599
Speaker 1: Why is that? Why is what sant listing? Is that trending?

2033
01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:48,760
Speaker 6: It is trending. They've got these all you can eat

2034
01:37:48,800 --> 01:37:51,960
Speaker 6: seats in the Big Macland for twenty nine bucks. You're

2035
01:37:52,000 --> 01:37:54,679
Speaker 6: getting Coca Cola, chicken tenders, hot dogs, brought s, Nacho's

2036
01:37:54,720 --> 01:37:58,280
Speaker 6: fat fries, popcorn, Pedat's kettle chips, ice cream. So it's

2037
01:37:58,320 --> 01:38:00,200
Speaker 6: like a big deal and people are like, like, we

2038
01:38:00,280 --> 01:38:03,640
Speaker 6: have nothing like this in Cincinnati. We absolutely do for

2039
01:38:03,760 --> 01:38:05,800
Speaker 6: twenty six bucks. You can do all you can eat

2040
01:38:05,840 --> 01:38:07,080
Speaker 6: Papa and peanuts.

2041
01:38:07,439 --> 01:38:10,519
Speaker 1: To a game or hot smart report exactly. I'm here

2042
01:38:10,600 --> 01:38:12,320
Speaker 1: to tell you that what about the chicken tenders? Your

2043
01:38:12,400 --> 01:38:15,559
Speaker 1: chicken tenders likes not a part of the right there.

2044
01:38:15,560 --> 01:38:18,080
Speaker 6: The chicken tenders right now, that's really the selling point.

2045
01:38:18,080 --> 01:38:21,040
Speaker 6: I think, what this one? People love chicken tenders, which

2046
01:38:21,080 --> 01:38:23,599
Speaker 6: they also sell them at the ballpark, but these are

2047
01:38:23,640 --> 01:38:26,160
Speaker 6: at section one forty four, the sun Moon deck. That's

2048
01:38:26,240 --> 01:38:28,000
Speaker 6: it right there, and I see them every.

2049
01:38:27,840 --> 01:38:30,479
Speaker 1: Single time done all you can eat seats.

2050
01:38:30,560 --> 01:38:31,439
Speaker 6: I've done them one time.

2051
01:38:32,080 --> 01:38:33,760
Speaker 1: What did you what about you? Did you regret it?

2052
01:38:34,000 --> 01:38:34,040
Speaker 5: No?

2053
01:38:34,439 --> 01:38:37,400
Speaker 6: I know no regrets, no regrets. I never regret ball.

2054
01:38:37,680 --> 01:38:39,160
Speaker 1: I did not do the all you can eat seats.

2055
01:38:39,760 --> 01:38:41,000
Speaker 1: What do you get when you go to the ballpark?

2056
01:38:41,040 --> 01:38:41,559
Speaker 6: You a hot dog?

2057
01:38:41,840 --> 01:38:44,800
Speaker 1: Definitely getting hot dog? Okay, I would get a met

2058
01:38:45,120 --> 01:38:46,320
Speaker 1: and then maybe later a hot dog.

2059
01:38:46,960 --> 01:38:49,519
Speaker 6: But see if I'm getting I'm not getting the met brought.

2060
01:38:49,640 --> 01:38:52,320
Speaker 6: I need it to be burnt. I need you to

2061
01:38:52,360 --> 01:38:53,280
Speaker 6: burn it on that grill.

2062
01:38:53,400 --> 01:38:55,160
Speaker 1: Always going to be black all around, is always going

2063
01:38:55,200 --> 01:38:57,200
Speaker 1: to be a dog. Like I can get skyline, I

2064
01:38:57,280 --> 01:39:00,240
Speaker 1: can get pizza, I don't sky at the ballpark, right,

2065
01:39:00,280 --> 01:39:02,439
Speaker 1: I can get that elsewhere. I don't.

2066
01:39:02,560 --> 01:39:05,439
Speaker 6: It's not even that it's just skyline. I want to

2067
01:39:05,479 --> 01:39:08,320
Speaker 6: be like sitting down inside the parlor. That's for that's

2068
01:39:08,400 --> 01:39:10,560
Speaker 6: for my space with it. I guess it's for the

2069
01:39:10,600 --> 01:39:12,439
Speaker 6: away team fans, right, it's like, oh, I get to

2070
01:39:12,479 --> 01:39:15,840
Speaker 6: try it exactly. It's their chance to get it. Really

2071
01:39:15,960 --> 01:39:17,559
Speaker 6: is good for I'm just gonna hit.

2072
01:39:17,600 --> 01:39:19,200
Speaker 1: I'm going. I'm going beer and I'm going out.

2073
01:39:19,840 --> 01:39:20,880
Speaker 6: I like a hobbit Sunday.

2074
01:39:20,960 --> 01:39:23,760
Speaker 1: Don't need it now, don't need the ice.

2075
01:39:23,960 --> 01:39:26,240
Speaker 6: Do you like the Cheetos popcorn? That is really good?

2076
01:39:26,439 --> 01:39:28,799
Speaker 6: It's like a cheesy popcorn with like the little Cheetos.

2077
01:39:29,320 --> 01:39:34,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, ready for some ballpark better. Whether it's opening day

2078
01:39:34,520 --> 01:39:36,400
Speaker 1: or the first game you go to and it's still

2079
01:39:36,479 --> 01:39:38,640
Speaker 1: like it's great, miserable outside and you walk into the

2080
01:39:38,680 --> 01:39:42,759
Speaker 1: ballpark and that it's just that sea of the smell.

2081
01:39:43,200 --> 01:39:46,120
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's the best. It is the best

2082
01:39:46,200 --> 01:39:47,120
Speaker 1: sensation it is.

2083
01:39:47,200 --> 01:39:51,600
Speaker 6: It's it's the smell of the baseball and I just

2084
01:39:51,640 --> 01:39:52,960
Speaker 6: want to bottle it up and put it like in

2085
01:39:53,000 --> 01:39:53,360
Speaker 6: a candle.

2086
01:39:54,160 --> 01:39:56,439
Speaker 1: It's so the first glimpse of green grass is just

2087
01:39:56,640 --> 01:39:57,720
Speaker 1: it's amazing.

2088
01:39:57,640 --> 01:39:58,320
Speaker 6: That first beer.

2089
01:39:58,479 --> 01:40:01,040
Speaker 1: That first beer, so sex, all right, what else you

2090
01:40:01,080 --> 01:40:01,519
Speaker 1: got real quick?

2091
01:40:01,520 --> 01:40:04,040
Speaker 6: Also trending in Bengals World, Trey Hendrickson.

2092
01:40:04,080 --> 01:40:06,840
Speaker 1: We talked about this while you're bearing the lead.

2093
01:40:07,400 --> 01:40:10,960
Speaker 6: Because Miami University is thirty and zero and we know

2094
01:40:11,080 --> 01:40:14,599
Speaker 6: that we know that Trey Hendrickson is not coming back.

2095
01:40:14,680 --> 01:40:16,760
Speaker 6: They did not tag him, so of course he went

2096
01:40:16,840 --> 01:40:19,160
Speaker 6: on to Instagram like all the athletes do, and he

2097
01:40:19,360 --> 01:40:21,960
Speaker 6: listed all of the things that he's thankful for. You know,

2098
01:40:22,080 --> 01:40:25,200
Speaker 6: he think the fans, the coaches, his teammates, and he said, look,

2099
01:40:25,280 --> 01:40:29,479
Speaker 6: Cincinnati is home now and forever, God bless and who day.

2100
01:40:30,160 --> 01:40:32,720
Speaker 6: It is a very long statement that he put out there,

2101
01:40:32,840 --> 01:40:34,320
Speaker 6: So that's just a way to wrap.

2102
01:40:34,200 --> 01:40:34,800
Speaker 1: It up right.

2103
01:40:34,880 --> 01:40:36,680
Speaker 6: And of course on Monday we got the big news

2104
01:40:36,720 --> 01:40:39,960
Speaker 6: that Dalton Reisner is coming back. I don't think anyone

2105
01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:42,280
Speaker 6: loves Cincinnati as much as Dalton Reisner and his wife

2106
01:40:42,680 --> 01:40:45,679
Speaker 6: big fans. He said that Zach Taylor is the biggest

2107
01:40:45,720 --> 01:40:46,720
Speaker 6: reason that he's coming back.

2108
01:40:46,920 --> 01:40:47,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a big.

2109
01:40:47,560 --> 01:40:50,439
Speaker 6: Zach Taylor fan. Loves playing for Joe Burrow, loves blocking

2110
01:40:50,520 --> 01:40:52,800
Speaker 6: for Joe Burrow. He also talked about his friendship with

2111
01:40:52,920 --> 01:40:55,320
Speaker 6: Ted Carris. He's like, if there's anybody that I look

2112
01:40:55,400 --> 01:40:57,800
Speaker 6: up to, it's definitely Ted. So it sounds like Ted

2113
01:40:57,880 --> 01:41:00,479
Speaker 6: has been kind of like a leader adult life. I

2114
01:41:00,560 --> 01:41:02,840
Speaker 6: really like that. And he said that he's never felt

2115
01:41:02,960 --> 01:41:05,080
Speaker 6: more at home than how he does in Cincinnati and

2116
01:41:05,200 --> 01:41:06,439
Speaker 6: like very accepted here.

2117
01:41:06,640 --> 01:41:06,880
Speaker 1: Okay.

2118
01:41:06,920 --> 01:41:08,840
Speaker 6: So he also gave a shout out to Skyland, Chilly

2119
01:41:08,880 --> 01:41:10,680
Speaker 6: and Jeff Ruby, saying, my wife and I love the

2120
01:41:10,680 --> 01:41:11,200
Speaker 6: food here too.

2121
01:41:11,320 --> 01:41:13,960
Speaker 1: That's awesome. Great, not just block, do.

2122
01:41:14,040 --> 01:41:15,680
Speaker 6: Your job, don't care ye, do your job.

2123
01:41:15,960 --> 01:41:17,920
Speaker 1: I'm I mean, I think it's awesome that they lean

2124
01:41:17,960 --> 01:41:19,840
Speaker 1: into the city. And I'm not throwing shade at all,

2125
01:41:19,920 --> 01:41:23,760
Speaker 1: but it's like just block, Yeah, your job, don't get hurt. Great,

2126
01:41:23,800 --> 01:41:25,000
Speaker 1: let's let's let's go get hurt.

2127
01:41:25,080 --> 01:41:25,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2128
01:41:25,360 --> 01:41:27,040
Speaker 1: You know his stature, don't be such a nice guy.

2129
01:41:27,040 --> 01:41:29,320
Speaker 1: I don't hear that. I want to hear excellence. That's

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Speaker 1: what I want to hear. And it's Hendricks. And I mean,

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Speaker 1: I know the national media's beating the hell of the

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Speaker 1: Bengals and the Bengals being the Bengals, and I think

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Speaker 1: there's some truth to that too. Is like, you know,

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Speaker 1: you French are are not going to franchise tag him

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Speaker 1: and the contract thing and you allowed them walk and

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Speaker 1: you could have got something.

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Speaker 6: Was Trey Hendrickson doing for us last season? He was

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Speaker 6: hurt for most of it, correct and the games that

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Speaker 6: he wasn't in we won. Yeah, all right, so it's

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Speaker 6: okay to move on everybody. We'll fine, It'll be fine.

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Speaker 6: But of course off season workouts start next month on

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Speaker 6: the twentieth. At all I'll be here before you know it,

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Speaker 6: all right?

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Speaker 1: Is that every think?

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Speaker 6: That's everything? Pups and pups this weekend since night cyclones,

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Speaker 6: bring your dog out on Saturday night and ever Sincinnati's.

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Speaker 1: How did the dogs do it in the hockey arena?

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Speaker 6: By the way, they're awesome. They all hang out together

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Speaker 6: in one section. They put them on the upper bowl together.

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Speaker 6: It's fun.

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Speaker 1: You ever have dogfight a dog fight?

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Speaker 6: No, I feel like they're pretty chill. I've always had

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Speaker 6: a really good experience there.

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Speaker 1: Knucklehead would bring like they're like atiler. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that there would be dog fights.

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Speaker 6: I think it's I think it's pretty chill. So yeah,

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Speaker 6: seven thirty on Saturday night for that.

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Speaker 1: Or something like that.

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Speaker 6: No, I don't think you should.

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Speaker 1: No, I think that'd be good for you make a

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Speaker 1: lot of money inside a little dog fighting ring in

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Speaker 1: the kind of.

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Speaker 6: I think that's the last thing we need to get into.

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Speaker 1: Call Michael Vick not my wiener dog, well not your

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Speaker 1: wiener dog by Real Dog Fight fifteen the mascot. The

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Speaker 1: mascot gets torn apart like it's a big squishy toy.

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Speaker 6: Oh my god, not pup Chop.

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Speaker 1: Punk Chop getting attacked by dogs would be great video.

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Speaker 1: Poor punk Chop, I thought it was a toy. Who

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Speaker 1: thought it was a squeaky he's so fluffy, look had

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Speaker 1: a squeaker and any even better?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 6: You know what they did get? They gave out this

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Speaker 6: like puck Chop key chain on Sunday, and I feel

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Speaker 6: like it that you need to put a little squeaker.

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Speaker 1: And know what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna go to

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Speaker 1: the game and I'm gonna follow puck Chop around with

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Speaker 1: the squeaker ball to stand behind him, and then the

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Speaker 1: dog will think that's the dodg drop biting him.

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Speaker 6: I will not tolerate puck Chops slander away.

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Speaker 1: Gonna rub some bacon grease on his back. How you

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Speaker 1: doing is do it on his back? And then smoker

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Speaker 1: squeak and that'd be awesome.

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Speaker 6: Like well, puck chop sure is poppy?

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Speaker 5: Wow?

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Speaker 1: What does all there's fluff all over the place. It's

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Speaker 1: Chris at one of two seven e B and her

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Speaker 1: social handle is Sarah a.

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Speaker 6: Leasee went to it and sorry, I tried to squeeze

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Speaker 6: everything and I forgot who Nicolodola was. Please forgive me

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Speaker 1: The big So it's fine news next seven hundred WWT

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Speaker 1: since that