1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:01,320 Speaker 1: Dave will belongs. 2 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 2: Just a matter of moments, I got Shelby Harrison's shot. 3 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 3: What's up? 4 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 4: What's what's up? How we doing today? 5 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: Good Man? How was the How was Radio Real Week? 6 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 4: It was interesting, very interesting be on the other side 7 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 4: of radio Row. Well, I was on both sides. I 8 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 4: did some media, but most of it was working. 9 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: Media and social. 10 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,119 Speaker 4: It was very is this different going out there and 11 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 4: being actual media and interviewing people and kind of you know, 12 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 4: you want to be prepared, but you got to think 13 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 4: of questions on the spot when you know you have 14 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 4: to show you're listening to to the person. 15 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 1: So it's a lot harder than it looks. Uh yeah, 16 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:42,639 Speaker 1: it's different to come up with thoughtsful questions. 17 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:42,879 Speaker 4: You know. 18 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 2: You you players have these high standards and expectations that 19 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 2: were somehow going to pull out the best questions and 20 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 2: press conferences, you know, and then you're sitting there on 21 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 2: the other side of being this is this isn't easy. 22 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 4: But what I did, what I did realize though, was 23 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 4: it is easier if you are prepared, if you know 24 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 4: who you're talking to, if you know the background on it, 25 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 4: like like it's something simple like we interviewed Marcus Allen, 26 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 4: and he told us about the rental car story of 27 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 4: leaving his car right outside of the Super Bowl because 28 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 4: he thought there was gonna be a player's lot. 29 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. 30 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 4: So he thought it because you know, obviously every game 31 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 4: you think it's a player's lote. He cools up and 32 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 4: he's like, where's the players lot? And they said, what 33 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 4: are you talking about, my gosh, and they said waking parks. 34 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 4: He said, well, not here, and so they pulled over 35 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 4: to the corner, got out, him and his teammate got 36 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 4: out and they went inside and that was before That's 37 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 4: the last he saw. So you do come up with 38 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 4: some great stories while you're there at every radio row. 39 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 4: But I did see something. I saw something where they 40 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 4: were saying radio Row is dead. It's more like media Row, 41 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 4: where everyone's just looking for sound bites, little clips. It's 42 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 4: not about necessarily the whole interview. Everybody just wants to 43 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 4: grab little pieces of your interviews. I can see that, 44 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 4: and it comes all about one viral now, and I 45 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 4: think that takes away the integrity of radio Row because 46 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 4: I do believe this. It's such an assortment of players, coach, 47 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:18,519 Speaker 4: former coaches, former players. You know, just all over and 48 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 4: there's so many stories out there that you really can 49 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 4: get that will get lost and lost in the next 50 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 4: when it's all about you know, the clips. So the 51 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 4: questions want to change, you know, just the way. 52 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 1: You approach it will change, I think. 53 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 2: I mean, listen, it is kind of a bummer, especially 54 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 2: because what we do. But I absolutely could see that. 55 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 2: I mean, I can't remember the last time I sat 56 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 2: through a seven or eight minute interview with somebody. But 57 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 2: if it's a one minute clip or a minute and 58 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 2: a half clip, I'm like, all right, I could probably 59 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 2: hang and hang for that. If it's even less, it's 60 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 2: even better. So there's something to that. And you know, 61 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 2: like I know, there's a lot of content, Like there's 62 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 2: there was a lot of really good player interviews out there. 63 00:02:58,320 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 2: You know, Von was out there and he did the 64 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 2: rounds and he was he's tremendously It was great with 65 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 2: you guys. I heard a little bit of that. 66 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: Ryan Leaf was was bouncing around, I know. 67 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, So he did some great interviews and everybody kind 68 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 2: of raised about it and heard a couple of them, 69 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 2: but I didn't sit through a single one all the 70 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 2: way through, Like, not one of them. 71 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: And I heard clips, So all the clips. 72 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 4: What did you hear about the new Netflix? The way 73 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 4: they're doing their movies, they got to make sure they 74 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 4: repeat the plot three four. 75 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 1: Times throughout the movie because they the phones. 76 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 4: Yes, and so it's the same thing where people you know, 77 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 4: surfing their phones and you know, going going through looking 78 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 4: at clips, and you want your clip to be one 79 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 4: of the ones they look at. And obviously it's not 80 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 4: going to be the full interview. Yeah, and so that's 81 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 4: this is a different realm now, Like obviously everything's always changing, 82 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 4: everything's you know, forever changing. But now this is the 83 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 4: new era of media. 84 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: It is pretty wild. 85 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 2: And I imagine, especially out there when I mean it's 86 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 2: such a grab bag of interviews and personalities and so 87 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 2: much going on. To stand out in the midst of that, 88 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 2: especially when you know, well, there's gonna be four or 89 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 2: five people talking to von Miller maybe even more right, 90 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 2: and there's gonna be a dozen people talking to Ryan Leaf, 91 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 2: and there's gonna be I mean, that makes it even 92 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 2: more difficult, I imagine in that space. 93 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: That's been a few years since I've been out of 94 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: the super Bowl. 95 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 2: But we'll go to the combine in a couple of weeks, 96 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 2: and it's kind of the same thing, not. 97 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: Nearly the level of the Super Bowl. 98 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 2: The super Bowl is his own entity, but the Combine 99 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 2: has some similarities in the sense that we do a 100 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:28,799 Speaker 2: lot more on video. When I first went to the Combine, 101 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 2: probably seven years ago, it was, you know, we did 102 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:33,919 Speaker 2: radio row and we interview people, and it was. 103 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: All about the audio. 104 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 2: Now I almost have to film every interview because if 105 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,119 Speaker 2: I don't film it, then it may not get listened 106 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 2: at all. 107 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 4: But also, I guess one skill that's not talked about 108 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 4: enough is situational awareness. If somebody's feeling uncomfortable while you're 109 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 4: interviewing them. 110 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 3: In i e. 111 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 4: The Cooper Desine and Kay Adams interview, it was cringey, 112 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 4: it was, and it's like, all right, you can't keep 113 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 4: pushing on it. He's obviously uncomfortable there, and you're liable 114 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 4: to ruin the whole rest of the interview because he's 115 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 4: at a state after that where it's like I don't 116 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 4: feel like talking. And you know, it happens so much 117 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 4: throughout media and right that there's no situational awareness between 118 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 4: them of uh, these questions are actually making the person 119 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,359 Speaker 4: interviewing go into a show. 120 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a little bit. I think that's a great 121 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 2: point you bring up. There's a little bit of an 122 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 2: entitlement sometimes of media where they sort of feel as though, well, 123 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 2: you signed up for this, you're you're a player, or 124 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 2: you're the person that said that they'd be willing to 125 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 2: be interviewed, so you signed up for it. I imagine 126 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 2: that you're gonna be okay with with wherever this ends 127 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 2: up going, and you got to hang in there. 128 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just but once again, as being a player 129 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 4: and doing the media stuff, there is a fine line, 130 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 4: and it also needs to be discussed before you even 131 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 4: get on air. But if you can see that the 132 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 4: person you're interviewing is uncomfortable, did you think that's going 133 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 4: to make that interview better? Because I feel like we 134 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 4: all know if you make somebody uncomfortable, they're going to 135 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 4: give you less things to work with. 136 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: Oh for sure. 137 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 4: It actually makes your job as the interviewer harder because 138 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 4: now you have to sit there and try to feel 139 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 4: you have to find a way to make them feel 140 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 4: comfortable again to open up. Otherwise we're gonna get no 141 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 4: two word. 142 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: Answers, and that's always a tough thing I'll. 143 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 2: Say when I have to do some of those interviews 144 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 2: for the pregame. If if I'm talking to a player, 145 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 2: I'm like, well, I gotta get three minutes. So if 146 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 2: I have to ask ten questions to get three minutes, 147 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 2: and sometimes that's the case. 148 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 1: Do you remember as I say, hello, how are you good? 149 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: Thank you Ted? How are you? Do you have any recollection? 150 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 4: I was gonna say, You're not going to answer you. 151 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,840 Speaker 4: I'm doing I'm good to see Shelby. 152 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: I'm doing great. I said it in my head. That 153 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: does that count? 154 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 4: No? 155 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: No, some things you say in your head count, but 156 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: that does not. Nope. How about how about you tracing 157 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 1: me to tie last week? Can I can? I you 158 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 1: already talked about that yesterday. I know, but I feel 159 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: like a fresh material. This is Tuesday. Don't come in 160 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: here with it. Well, it's off season, it's left over. 161 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 3: It's like what the big fellow is staying the paint 162 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 3: when somebody tries to come like, lay the ball up, 163 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 3: don't come in here with that. 164 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: I'm still salty about it. Stuff. 165 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 2: I'm still very salty that you give me such a 166 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 2: hard time, often often for tracing you. 167 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: And then here you come around saying, you know. 168 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 3: What, fine again to go over trudged upon snow. I 169 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 3: made my picks last Monday, and let's see what is 170 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 3: the what other standings? 171 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: She doesn't have them on there? She does. 172 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 2: The standings would have you at forty nine wins you got. 173 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 2: I have thirty seven. 174 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 3: So well, you went to school at a place I 175 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 3: want to make sure this is accurate. It is forty 176 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 3: nine more or less than thirty seven where you went 177 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 3: to school. 178 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 2: Well, in some sports the lower numbers. Golf would say, 179 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 2: with the lower numbers a better number to have. But 180 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 2: in your your point here, I understand what you're saying. 181 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: Thank you. 182 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 2: The question I had for you before I derailed, and 183 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 2: that was on me, is do you have recollection of 184 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 2: interviews where you felt as though the pursuer interviewing was 185 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 2: like very uncomfortable and you were trying to figure out 186 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 2: either how to gracefully get out of it or let. 187 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: Them off the hook. 188 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 2: Or because he was talking about some of the radio 189 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 2: row stuff out there, about how there were times where 190 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 2: there's like cringeworthy interviews and you don't really know how 191 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 2: to get out of it. 192 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, for sure. 193 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 3: I think if the longer you're in this business, you're 194 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 3: gonna run into that. 195 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:33,079 Speaker 1: You have some interviews where you're sort. 196 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 3: Of counting on them being talkative and responding to your questions, 197 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 3: and they may, you know, they may not be in 198 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 3: the mood for whatever reason, and maybe their sixth consecutive interview, 199 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 3: and your question happened to be one that the previous 200 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 3: four interviewers asked and they're just tired of it. So 201 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 3: you get a one or two word answers, and then 202 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 3: you've got to be formulating the next question so you 203 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 3: don't sound like Booboo the clown trying to come up 204 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 3: with that second question, right, I think the single most uncomfortable, 205 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 3: and I wasn't overly uncomfortable, but it was an uncomfortable moment. 206 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 3: And I've told the story before, so I'll be really brief. 207 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 3: It was back and I was doing color on the 208 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 3: Bronco broadcast, so I think this was like nineteen ninety 209 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 3: or ninety one, and I was I was doing TV. 210 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 3: I was doing the preseason games, and I would do 211 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 3: the regular season games on KOA, doing the preseason games 212 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 3: with ron Zapolo. That player approached me at the airport 213 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 3: getting ready to get on a flight to go do 214 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 3: another preseason game. At that point they had four I think, 215 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 3: and said he took exception to something he thought I'd 216 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 3: said on the telecast and I said, I never said that. 217 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 3: He said, well, my my family heard it, and I 218 00:09:56,679 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 3: know you did say it. I said, bro, I never 219 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 3: said that, never said anything about that. Well, Ron at 220 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 3: that point said, honestly, that was me and explained it. 221 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: So the guy walked off. 222 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 3: So fast forward back then, the color analyst of the 223 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 3: Broncos had to go in the locker room after every 224 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 3: game and interview a player player of the game. So 225 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 3: you had a little gift certificate, you know, one hundred 226 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 3: dollars gift certificate somewhere. 227 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: So that player in the. 228 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:30,959 Speaker 3: Regular season was the producer said, how about that player 229 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 3: for player. 230 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: Of the game? I said cool. 231 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 3: So I walked up to him and sitting down to 232 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 3: the locker, I said, Hey, that player's name. I said, 233 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 3: you're the player of the game. I've got a gift 234 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 3: certificate for you. Kind of get a couple, kind of 235 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 3: get a couple of questions with you. And he's sitting 236 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 3: on a stool putting socks on or whatever, and he 237 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 3: looks up at me, kind of eyeballs me, doesn't. 238 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 4: Say a word. 239 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 3: I've got the producer in my ears saying, okay, coming 240 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 3: to you in fifteen. I'm like, hold on, so, I 241 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 3: say nicely again, Hey, that player's name. Can I get 242 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 3: a couple of questions with you about the game? You're 243 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 3: the player of the game. Looks up at me, eyeballs 244 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 3: me like, doesn't say anything. So producer says, here's Larry. 245 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 3: Larry goes all right, we're gonna head down with that 246 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 3: player of the game, saydy bye with our Dave Logan Dave. 247 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 3: And I'm like, I said, well, thanks very much, Larry. 248 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 3: Here with that player of the game who had just 249 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 3: an outstanding game with and I gave his numbers and 250 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 3: all that. I'm thinking this could go really good or 251 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 3: really bad. Right prior to the interview starting, the competitive 252 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 3: sort of thing in me took over and I said quickly, hey, man, listen, 253 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 3: I really don't give up whether you want to talk 254 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 3: or you don't want to talk, just tell me you 255 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 3: don't want to go. So, as I'm delivering what I 256 00:11:56,559 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 3: thought was an appropriate sort of rebuttal, I get into, hey, 257 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 3: I'm with so and so. He couldn't have been better hey, 258 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 3: you know what, Yeah, it was a great game and 259 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 3: la la lah. And you know, being a former player, 260 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 3: la la la la la la, it gave a great interview. 261 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: But that thing could have gone like horribly bad. 262 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 3: After the interview, I said, well, Larry, that's so and 263 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 3: so player player of the game. We had back to you, 264 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 3: all right, Dave, thanks, and so I said, I took 265 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 3: my earphones off and I extended my hand and I said, hey, man, 266 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:40,680 Speaker 3: thank you. He looked at my hand, looked at me, 267 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 3: looked away. So I'm like, okay, man, So it's like 268 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 3: that is that how this is going to be. But 269 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:52,719 Speaker 3: that was probably the most uncomfortable because I was I 270 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 3: probably saved my career because I was already I'd already 271 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,319 Speaker 3: started that thing you. 272 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: Know that some of us have. 273 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 3: It's like, hey man, okay, so let's find out about 274 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 3: it then, so. 275 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: I know exactly what you're what you're talking about. From 276 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: a long time ago. 277 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 2: That would have been uh, I mean, it could have 278 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:16,719 Speaker 2: been a little bit of a legendary moment like oh, 279 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 2: would you have pushed let me ask this. Had you 280 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 2: prepared for the fact that if you just didn't answer, 281 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 2: would just keep pushing and keep questioning though, Okay, no, 282 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:25,319 Speaker 2: you just were like. 283 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 3: The first two times you didn't answer, then then I 284 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 3: was agitated. Then I then I then I wanted some 285 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 3: It's like, oh okay, so you're gonna from me like this. 286 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 4: You can use your words. If you use your words 287 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 4: as to say no, yeah, say no. You don't have 288 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 4: to sit there and just look at people, you know, 289 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 4: like you still treat people like people. 290 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: You're gonna eyeball me, seriously, You're gonna eyeball me. 291 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 3: Like up and down, like oh no, not me, not me. 292 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 3: And you know what I really thought, like, I know, 293 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 3: I know, I know I'm gonna get fired, but I'm 294 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 3: gonna whoop your ass right here in your in your locker. 295 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,319 Speaker 4: Best believe that, best believe it. 296 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: You crawl him too, the stands again. 297 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 4: They he's whoop it so good, he's a whooping so good. 298 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 4: They're gonna want them back. They come back like really 299 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 4: good shape. 300 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 3: At that point I was I was probably in my 301 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 3: mid thirties. 302 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 1: I know who I'm betting on. 303 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 2: Well, now listen, you know Chris Everett climb across the 304 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 2: table at Jim Rome. 305 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 4: Dude, I said that I was walking our good lord. 306 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: No sorry, I called Jim Chris Well. 307 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 4: I was walking past Radio Rebel and I saw the 308 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 4: dream Rome and I literally turned to the person out 309 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 4: with I was like, do you remember him watching him? 310 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 4: Do you remember watching him get his as kicked one? 311 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 4: I said, that's why in this media game, you better 312 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 4: watch what you say about people, because they're going to 313 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 4: come looking for answers. Sooner or later. 314 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: You call him, called Chris Everett, right, yeah, call bet. 315 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 3: You won't call him that again? And he said, I bet, 316 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 3: I bet, I will, I will. It's it's guys like that. 317 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 3: I mean, seriously, it's guys I think and I'm not 318 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 3: I'm not advocating this, but it's guys like that. And 319 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 3: and there's others here in town that act at times 320 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 3: the way they act because I truly believe they've never 321 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 3: been punched in the face. They think that they're immune. Now, 322 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 3: I'm not advocating that because you get sued and you know. 323 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: Bad things can happen. 324 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 3: And nowadays people are you know, soft packing, Well, there 325 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 3: are soft but you just can't. 326 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: You can't do that. 327 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 3: Back back in the day, there were plenty of times 328 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 3: you get what we used to call a good old 329 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 3: fashioned fight and that was the end of when the 330 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 3: fight was over, that was the end of it. 331 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 4: You can't do that anymore if everyone has guns now, 332 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 4: So that's what I mean, everybody, not just guns. Everyone 333 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 4: has this fake pride thing where they can't take an 334 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 4: ass with it. And sometimes that's what you need to 335 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 4: set yourself right. But when you lose, you're supposed to 336 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 4: look yourself in a mirror and better yourself, not run 337 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 4: and go grab a gun. 338 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 2: That's right, That's that's a great point. Somebody on the 339 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 2: text line, did you ever make up with that player? 340 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 3: Dave? I have seen that player since and and we 341 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 3: are cool. 342 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 4: Thanks man. 343 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: Yep, you know what. I've seen him. 344 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 3: I've seen him at a couple of reunions, and I 345 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 3: made it, you know, I made it a point not 346 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 3: to like invade his space because I'm thinking, I'm not 347 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 3: going to be in a hole about this. And he 348 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 3: walked up and said, Dave, how you doing? I said, hey, 349 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 3: player's name, how you doing? 350 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: Good? See man? I mean, so it's it's it's it's. 351 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 4: All good, very good. 352 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: That's good. 353 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 3: And I also and this would be the last thing 354 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 3: I also remember. I mean, there's so many different traits 355 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 3: that like NFL players have. But I think one universal 356 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 3: trait and there probably are a handful of universal traits, 357 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 3: but one of those is prideful. 358 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: I know, I was, I know Shelby is. 359 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 3: Guys that play they have they have a certain amount 360 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 3: of pride and if you if you wound, if their 361 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:13,439 Speaker 3: perception is you have wounded their pride, then they're not 362 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 3: gonna be. 363 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 4: Happy with you. 364 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's always an interesting thing. And I 365 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 2: completely agree with everything you said. There's there are times 366 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 2: where it feels like players and correct me if I'm wrong, they'll. 367 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 1: Find an edge, right, They'll find. 368 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,479 Speaker 2: Like like for sure, to the point of you're saying, well, 369 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 2: that was actually Ron that said the things and said 370 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:33,439 Speaker 2: it was you, but this is a grudge that he's 371 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 2: keeping against you. Yeah, and he might file that away 372 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 2: as everybody else that ever doubted me. Sure, and now 373 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 2: you represent and every time I see you, I'm gonna 374 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 2: start thinking about them, and that's gonna give me an edge. 375 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 2: So I'm not saying that always is the case, but 376 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 2: it feels like sometimes with players, at least when I've 377 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 2: interviewed them, there's just like I hate all the media, 378 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 2: It's like, well, do you really hate all the media, 379 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,160 Speaker 2: you just hate one or two specific ones. But because 380 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 2: we're all here, then you get a chance to be like, no, no, no, 381 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 2: you all doubt me, and you all think that I 382 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 2: can't do what I'm gonna do because I read that 383 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 2: article and I saw that video post or whatever. 384 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:04,120 Speaker 3: It. 385 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, drives guys to, you know, play out of their mind, 386 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 4: especially when you think it's somebody who could never do 387 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 4: what you do. What's the camp that's over here trying 388 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 4: to tell tell people that you're not good at your job. 389 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 4: And it's like, all right, I'll show you, and you 390 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,360 Speaker 4: use that and it really will sit with you going 391 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 4: through the game. You're gonna make it play man f 392 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 4: that guy, you know, like seriously, that's all it is, Like, man, 393 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 4: this is for you. And then after the game you're like, hey, 394 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:34,400 Speaker 4: you have anything you want to say? 395 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:34,640 Speaker 1: Now? 396 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 4: This is he But like players in general, bring that 397 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 4: type of energy you have to in this type of 398 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:46,880 Speaker 4: competitive nature of the field that we're we're playing football 399 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 4: and I'm playing d line. I have to go beat 400 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,159 Speaker 4: the guy in front of me or he's going to 401 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 4: beat me. There is no other way around it. And 402 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 4: if you have a thinking like that when you go 403 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:01,439 Speaker 4: through life like that, you know, confrontations only. 404 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: So much that makes sense. I Rob early here to. 405 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:06,199 Speaker 2: Tuesday, very excited to have both you back, and when 406 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 2: I talked about the Super Bowl, obviously gets your thoughts 407 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 2: on what happens, especially the defensive line. But seatle Seahawks, 408 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, that was a performance boy come back. 409 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 2: So Drake May was crying after the game, and some 410 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 2: players have taken exception with him crying after the game. 411 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 2: So I want to talk a little bit about crying 412 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 2: in football. We'll get to it next, all right, So 413 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 2: coming off the Super Bowl, and I certainly want to 414 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 2: get more thoughts on the game, and that defensive performance 415 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:38,679 Speaker 2: pretty much legendary. Think it ties into what the Broncos 416 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 2: are ultimately going to be looking out here in the 417 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 2: offseason they continue to try to build a Super Bowl winner. 418 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 2: You can keep texting us five six six nine zero 419 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 2: on the KWAE Commas bird Hill text line. But after 420 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 2: the game, Drake May and see, I don't know if 421 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,640 Speaker 2: I have really strong feelings about this, but I think 422 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,160 Speaker 2: players might have a strong feeling about this. So Drake 423 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 2: May was talking in his postgame I'll play just a 424 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 2: little bit of it here. Here was just Drake May, 425 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:05,880 Speaker 2: quarterback of the Patriots, being a little bit emotional after 426 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 2: the game. The reason I choked up most this team is. 427 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 1: Something that, uh, I'm just glad to be part of. Yeah, 428 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:19,199 Speaker 1: he was a harp, know doubt about that. 429 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 3: He was reason over here. 430 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: He's always the same and look forward and my inship 431 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: with him for a long time. 432 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 4: A great person. 433 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 2: Didn't out football, all right, So so that's out of 434 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:38,640 Speaker 2: the game. I hadn't really thought much of it until 435 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 2: I saw keep to leave and t J Ward ripping 436 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,880 Speaker 2: Drake May today and here's what they had to say. 437 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 2: You know, I cried when it's like death and sadness, 438 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 2: my nhalad my pig. 439 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 1: Like, oh I gotta put her down. I'll cry. I 440 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:54,400 Speaker 1: could ride it. When Sam Darnold won the. 441 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 2: Super Bowl, but everything he had on the field played 442 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 2: through injury. 443 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:00,080 Speaker 1: Let the man cry. How to get it? As a 444 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: your quarterback? 445 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 2: Do that? 446 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:02,919 Speaker 1: You don't think, man, that's the guy who cares, he 447 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: gives it. That's how much it means. No, you would 448 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: see it as an you're saying there's no crying in football. 449 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: No crying in football. And I lost. How you pissed 450 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: off not sad and hope, so they were. 451 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 2: They were ripping into him, you know, in the defensive 452 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 2: side of the ball. I don't know, like people are asking, like, 453 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 2: is this like Paxson Lynch crying and it was kind 454 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 2: of it's kind of a little bit like that. I mean, 455 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 2: I don't know, do you have a problem. 456 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 1: It's not like that. I mean it's a little bit 457 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:37,120 Speaker 1: it is like, it is not like that at all. 458 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 3: Didn't What wasn't Paxson Lynch crying in a preseason game? 459 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:43,400 Speaker 1: No, I thought it was. 460 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 2: I thought it was learn the Raiders game. He was 461 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:47,400 Speaker 2: on the sideline. He had been hurt, like you see, 462 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 2: it's just come back and he got hurt. Okay, and 463 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:53,719 Speaker 2: he got hurt again. Yeah, you might might have been 464 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 2: the one to make him crying. No, I think even 465 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 2: in a regular season game. I'm going to give Drake 466 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 2: may a pass on this. I think young guy obviously. 467 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: Had a hell of a year. 468 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 3: I thought he got put in really tough spots Sunday 469 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 3: and they played a better team, and I didn't I 470 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 3: didn't think the game plan was maybe as good as 471 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 3: we've seen Josh McDaniels in the past. I mean historically 472 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 3: I would say Keeve and TJ are right. They're right. 473 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 3: You want that, you want that guy to be pissed 474 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 3: with the way things went. But I'm going to give 475 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 3: him a pass because of his youth, and I think 476 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:39,400 Speaker 3: he was a guy that, you know, felt like he 477 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 3: let his team down with those two interceptions. Yes, they 478 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 3: were bad plays, but he's I mean, those aren't in 479 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 3: and of itself the reason that the Patriots lost. Patriots 480 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 3: loss because Seattle is a better team and could run 481 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 3: the ball and also stop the run, and the Patriots couldn't. 482 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:03,679 Speaker 4: Yeah, it doesn't bother me. It doesn't really bother It 483 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 4: doesn't bother me at all. Shows he cares, shows that 484 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,439 Speaker 4: he actually I'd rather have that than someone who's been 485 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:13,400 Speaker 4: humor whatever. You know. It's just it shows that he's 486 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,880 Speaker 4: he's passionate enough about it that I feel like it's 487 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 4: going to motivate him to go into the season next 488 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 4: season and and really ball out. But I understand the tiers. So, 489 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 4: you know, a team where nobody expected anything from the 490 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 4: beginning of the year, nobody expected anything from them in 491 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 4: the playoffs, you know, everyone kept talking about the ease 492 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 4: of their schedule, which I do think obviously played a 493 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 4: factor in their record, but then this the idea that 494 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 4: they're not supposed to be there, and you know, the 495 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 4: second year, third year for the second year, the second 496 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 4: year year him about next same year, second year quarterback 497 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 4: led them there, you know the way people you know, 498 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 4: it's easy for people to say, oh, they got they 499 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 4: got next year, Oh they can make it again. This 500 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,679 Speaker 4: might be the only chance they had. And that's the league. 501 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 4: We talked about the Bills window before and how many 502 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 4: chances they had. This could be their only opportunity. So yes, 503 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 4: be sad. I have no problem with that. And I 504 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 4: think we're still at this weird stage of masculinity where 505 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,439 Speaker 4: we're not allowed to shed tears, we're not allowed to 506 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 4: act like we care, and we do. 507 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 1: We do care. 508 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 3: And I cried virtually every night when I leave here. 509 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 3: Yeah I do too when I'm working with Ryan. You know, 510 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 3: I'm just saying, on the way to the parking lot, 511 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 3: there's a tier or two or ten you. 512 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 1: Just wish it wasn't over. Is that I can't believe it's. 513 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 4: Over, But I don't think it's that big of a deal. 514 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,640 Speaker 4: And I think we have to get over this idea 515 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 4: that we have to get over this idea that it's 516 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 4: just it's softened and cry. 517 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 3: I think it's a young guy. Seriously, it feels like 518 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 3: he let his team down. That's why I would guess 519 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 3: he was as as emotional as he was. Right, Yes, 520 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 3: they lost, and that's important, but he's he feels like 521 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 3: if I had have played better, we'd had a chance 522 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 3: to win. And honestly, I'm not not completely sure that's true. 523 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 2: Well, I remember Josh Allen quite literally said I feel 524 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 2: like to let my team down. 525 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 3: He was crying in the post game, that's right, And 526 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,640 Speaker 3: Josh Allen had two picks and two fumbles. 527 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 1: That's right. That's right. But most of the guys seems 528 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 1: to respond better to him. 529 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 2: I thought it was just an interesting moment there because 530 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,959 Speaker 2: I remember when Paxton Lynch was crying, Broncos fans were 531 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 2: not having it. 532 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,399 Speaker 1: I mean, they were like, you gotta be kidney with 533 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:37,640 Speaker 1: this guy. 534 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 4: It's a new age dude like Caleb Williams has his 535 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 4: nails painted and people have a problem with it. But 536 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 4: then he goes out there and beats your ass like 537 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 4: it's a new age and. 538 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,360 Speaker 3: When's the last time you painted your fingernails. The other 539 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 3: day my daughter painted to them. No, I don't mean that, 540 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 3: that's all. 541 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 4: I've never painted my fingernails ever, but I don't necessarily chose. 542 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:02,640 Speaker 4: Whenever I get a peddicture, I'll get the clear coat. 543 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 1: Nice. 544 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,360 Speaker 4: You know you got to take care of the feet. 545 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 4: You get some big ass feet, but I do sig 546 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 4: sixteens a lot of feet to be scrubbings. 547 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 1: And them heels are all chopped up. 548 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 4: I got a bunion, I got corns. 549 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 1: Oh, Clarry been a guy that has. 550 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 3: Ever played professional football that does have jacked up feet. 551 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 4: Actually my feet actually look they don't know. I have 552 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:32,880 Speaker 4: turf toe both my feet, but my feet are straight straight. 553 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 3: You should never take even when you swim, you should 554 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 3: never take your shoes off. You should jump your ass 555 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 3: in the deep end with shoes on. 556 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 5: Shoes right if you take them, if you're like my feet, 557 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 5: if you take him shoes offers. You know receivers feet 558 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 5: are jacked and we know I throw game signs and toes. 559 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 5: I'm telling you all you doing is Jimmy. You're told 560 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 5: I told the story. 561 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 3: Seriously, I'm one of the only only people that I 562 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 3: know I can hang upside down at a jungle gym 563 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 3: by my toes like a monkey when things are throwing 564 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 3: the right talent. 565 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 4: I have not met a single receiver that has straight 566 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,880 Speaker 4: toes fingers. No, no, not at all, not at all. 567 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,200 Speaker 4: Remember that you hear all the stories about Bett Farv, 568 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,880 Speaker 4: you know, and Donald Driver, those guys being like, yeah, 569 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 4: he broke my fingers in the middle of the game, 570 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 4: throwing a rocket across them. 571 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:25,399 Speaker 3: You know what they do, You just tape it to 572 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 3: the other one. That's what I do. I broke three 573 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 3: three fingers. Here we go into stories, the story time 574 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 3: with Shelby and Dave. I broke three fingers on one play. 575 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 1: You just tape. 576 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 3: I broke the middle finger, the bird finger, the ring finger, 577 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 3: and the little. 578 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 4: Finger, three fingers at the same time. 579 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 3: So you tape these two together and these two, and 580 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 3: that's how you have to try to catch catch the ball. 581 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: Spot going, ye, good spot. 582 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 4: Got a buddy, got a buddy taper. Though buddy tapes 583 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 4: is a savior for the d lineman, old lineman and 584 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,360 Speaker 4: the trenches. You gotta think we don't necessarily always break 585 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,640 Speaker 4: our fingers, but we spray them. We get bone bruises 586 00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 4: on our hands. Is from you know, hitting helmets and stuff, 587 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 4: so sometimes it's easier the table them together, and then 588 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 4: you don't feel it. 589 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 2: I help NFL fans, and I know that they didn't 590 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 2: always like hear these stories and they think about it 591 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,159 Speaker 2: in terms of anything real life. They're like, oh, well, 592 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 2: you paid a lot of money to do these kinds 593 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:16,159 Speaker 2: of things, so this is. 594 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 1: Just what's expected. 595 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 2: But then they're like they'll call into three X show 596 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 2: or they'll be talking online and they'll be calling into 597 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 2: question the toughness of players, like you have three broken 598 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 2: fingers and you kept going, well, my god. 599 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:30,880 Speaker 3: I mean, I didn't really realize they were broken until 600 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 3: after the game. I knew that I jammed them, yes, 601 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 3: pretty significantly, but she didn't realize there were It was 602 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 3: a broken But don't. 603 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 2: There anybody in the reilar life like hey break a 604 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,959 Speaker 2: ball and then walk back out. 605 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 4: Broken the bone. Actually, but I remember last year when 606 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 4: I poured my elbow up, I've reached out to make 607 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 4: a tackle, just achieves, and the middle linebackers comes and 608 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 4: hyper extends my elbow from the bag and I, yeah, 609 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 4: my middle linebacker came into that. They're not mind of 610 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 4: the linebacker tatment did that, And next day I know 611 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 4: I'm just like, I went to the sideline, I diagnosed 612 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 4: myself and I was just like, this is what we're 613 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 4: going to need to, you know, to go back in. 614 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 4: And it was just like, well, it seems like, you 615 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 4: know what you're talking about. 616 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 1: That's wild man. 617 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 2: We need to give him a break for showing his 618 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 2: emotions after the Super Bowl loss. 619 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: I think we were. I think we all work. I 620 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 1: thought we were. Yeah. 621 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 2: And by the way, I think you were actually on 622 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 2: the Broncos for Zach Sears. You were on the Broncos 623 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 2: and the Paxton Lynch crying game that I thought I was. 624 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 4: But I'm out there playing, so I don't know if 625 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 4: people are crying on the sideline. 626 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 2: I remember Broncos fans kind of losing their minds about it, 627 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 2: but I think it's more about Oh. 628 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 4: I don't remember. I do remember. It's my first year year. Okay, 629 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 4: it was because I think that was the only year 630 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 4: Pacicston was here. It was my first year year. And 631 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 4: I remember because he started off during the season and 632 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 4: then he got hurt mid season. That's right, first game back, 633 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 4: he goes and gets hurt again. 634 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: Yep, No remember elements, yep. 635 00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's unfortunate part of the game. You know, 636 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 4: it's sucks, and a lot of people's careers get built 637 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 4: off of either somebody getting hurt and you getting a shot. 638 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 4: That's how my career happened, especially in Denver. At first 639 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 4: you're here, Derek Wolf went down with an ankle sprain, 640 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 4: Jared Kueck like messed up his back, Billy Winn towards 641 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 4: acl Zach Kerr sprain to his MCL and I went 642 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 4: in that game and had three saxophones the backers and 643 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 4: here we are. 644 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 1: That's incredible, you know what I mean. 645 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 4: And that's the thing. That's all it takes is one shot. 646 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 4: That'side where your career can get made. Someone gets hurt 647 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 4: and you get a shot and you take advantage of it. 648 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 4: And this is one thing I will say. I say 649 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 4: this to all the young players, and I think it 650 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 4: goes over their heads and it's something that they should 651 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 4: really like hold true like close to the vest. You 652 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 4: always should be ready because you might get one shot 653 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 4: in this league. And will you be disappointed with how 654 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 4: you did on that one shot because it might just 655 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 4: be one in my you might never get another one. 656 00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 4: You could be in the league four years and get 657 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 4: one real shot at becoming a starter, becoming a player. 658 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 4: If you're not prepared for that, this will be your 659 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 4: only shot in the league. And do not miss it 660 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 4: because you don't want to get stuck saying what if 661 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 4: years later when you're on to Coeche watching everybody playing football. 662 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 2: It was great advice, no doubt about it. I did 663 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 2: want to ask you about the game. I'll start with you, Dave. 664 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 2: The Seattle Seahawks. It's not like we couldn't see that 665 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 2: performance coming, right. We talked about it all leading up 666 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 2: to it. They looked like the most complete team in football. 667 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 2: They performed like the most complete team of football. I 668 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 2: think there are a level of dominance on the defensive 669 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 2: side even surprised me a little bit though, all things 670 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 2: being said. 671 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they were the number one ring defense. 672 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 3: Lots of athletes I think, really well schemed. 673 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 1: I mean they do. 674 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 3: If you go back and just sort of casually look 675 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 3: at the game, they had some. 676 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 1: Really it was high level stuff. 677 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 3: That Mike McDonald through at New England's offense. I think 678 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 3: England I expected them to be content to try to 679 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 3: pound it and be a little more creative, like in 680 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 3: that running game I think they had to be a 681 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 3: little more patient, as you and I talked about yesterday 682 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 3: when I got back in down the two backs, when 683 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 3: Stevenson and Henderson combined thirteen carries for like forty two years. 684 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's silly. I mean, you're not going to win 685 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 1: if with. 686 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 3: The two rookies, a rookie left tackle, rookie left guard. 687 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 3: It gets that defense. You're not going to win with 688 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 3: Drake May throwing the ball forty three times. Now they 689 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 3: got behind and then he had to throw it more. 690 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 3: I just I didn't think the creativity game for New 691 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 3: England was up to part one hundred million percent. 692 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 4: That game. You know, as much as you want to 693 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 4: talk about Drake May, that game is on Josh McDaniel. 694 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 4: No creativity on offense at all, running to straight power 695 00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 4: and duo and it wasn't working. So you have to 696 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 4: try to switch it up to take the pressure off 697 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 4: your left guard and your left tackle. It's not fair 698 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 4: to be on Will Campbell like that when your OC 699 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 4: did nothing to help you out. I didn't see any chips. 700 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 1: I didn't. 701 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 4: I didn't really see any helpful Will Campbell there. And 702 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 4: the one time I did see a chip, he missed 703 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 4: so and once again, like you know, we could we 704 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 4: could talk about certain players the scheme at halftime, you 705 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 4: should have been like, you know what, throw this game 706 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 4: plan away. We got to figure out something else because 707 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 4: just running straight at them is not working. I don't 708 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 4: know if you need to run a trap, you I 709 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 4: do something that is going to create create some yards, 710 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 4: some area, some space. 711 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 3: Tradyon Henderson's longest carry of the game was on a 712 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 3: jet sweep. Exactly. We saw one jet sweep in the game. Yep, 713 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 3: that was a nine yard carry. I mean, make them, 714 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 3: you know, make him run, spread them horizontally and make 715 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 3: them run. And I think in New England, I think 716 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 3: started and now they were behind and had to but 717 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 3: when they sort of spread, spread out, and I think 718 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 3: Collinsworth made the point when you spread people out. The 719 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,360 Speaker 3: conventional thinking is, all right, hey, we're going to condense. 720 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 3: I'm going to go in twelve personnel, both tight ends 721 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 3: in or I'm going to seven man protection. I'm gonna 722 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:27,799 Speaker 3: send the back and tie to the tight inside. I'm 723 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,720 Speaker 3: going to slide completely away from it seven man protection. 724 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,279 Speaker 3: The issue with that is you got three receivers when 725 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 3: you have seven man protection. But I think when they 726 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,400 Speaker 3: spread them out, one thing that it does do it 727 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,359 Speaker 3: allows that quarterback and he needed this in his pre 728 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:45,319 Speaker 3: snap to identify, like, Okay, where could I be in 729 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,799 Speaker 3: trouble with this look? And it's much tougher for a 730 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,799 Speaker 3: defense to disguise all their pressures if you have two 731 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,360 Speaker 3: and three receivers out flanked