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Speaker 1: Hey, gentlemen, Andrew from Utrelea School crazy here. I'd love

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Speaker 1: to see us take a center. Who's sexy center? I

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Speaker 1: want a center because I want someone to grow up

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Speaker 1: with JJ, someone to help quarterback that offense has been

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Speaker 1: playing maybe three four years. Grew up with DJ as

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Speaker 1: well in his left and s'm oping some holes in

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Speaker 1: that A and B gap. Let's get some inside run

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Speaker 1: game goings up, the play action go crazy.

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Speaker 2: of our favorites. His name is Greg Cosal and he's

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Speaker 2: an executive producer and analyst for NFL Matchup plus on

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Speaker 2: many other roles. We see him at the combine every

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Speaker 2: year and very gracious to join us and share with

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Speaker 2: us that, like, this is my sixteenth combine, right, And

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Speaker 2: when we were when we were at Lucas Oil or

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Speaker 2: there were like four Radio, Dan Docketch in his Indiana show,

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Speaker 4: And one other.

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Speaker 2: Well, now, I mean, what was it like in ninety nine,

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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety nine when you came to.

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Speaker 4: Your first combine? Yeah, it worked out that Steve Sable

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Speaker 4: And back then, I mean, first of all, was very secretive.

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Speaker 4: You couldn't get any information at all. And Pete you

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Speaker 5: You ran the forty, you said, what they run and

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Speaker 5: they wouldn't tell you exactly. Yeah, seriously, they wouldn't tell you, right.

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Speaker 4: I mean maybe in ninety nine they might have been

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Speaker 6: Holy Cow.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, probably Rick Gosling Goose was probably one of them.

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Speaker 4: What do you remember it? Maybe maybe Dan Pompeii, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Dan POMPEII, Yeah, yeah, I'm trying to Yeah, but I

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Speaker 4: mean that was kind of it. Uh, maybe I'm farmer,

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Speaker 4: maybe Vic Carucci? Yeah right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah right

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Speaker 4: yeah yeah. So when you come to the combine, what

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Speaker 4: your purpose for being here? The best thing for me

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Speaker 4: is the conversations that I get to have with coaches

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Speaker 4: I don't never get through as many guys as i'd

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Speaker 4: always feel like there's more and more to learn. Never

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Speaker 4: stop learning. Things. You know, sometimes coaches, personnel people say

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Speaker 4: And that's what I'm always trying to do, trying to

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Speaker 4: I've always felt that when you think you know everything,

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Speaker 6: You quit growing.

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 5: And the college landscape has changed so much, I mean

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Speaker 2: Now, yeah, well it's crazy and and you know it's

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Speaker 5: What is it now that you look for? You know,

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Speaker 4: Well, you can bring guys in for a thirty you know,

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Speaker 5: Maybe, So what is it? What are you looking for?

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Speaker 5: Like Chuck Knox Senior would say, Yeah, two guys, two

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Speaker 6: We got rules and guidelines.

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Speaker 4: Exactly.

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Speaker 2: Greg, with all the years we've had chats, and yeah,

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Speaker 2: I know, position flexibility is something that I've heard you

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Speaker 4: Now, is there a developing trend? Well, I think it

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Speaker 4: argue Metellus is as important a piece as any on

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Speaker 5: Can't you can't coach big and you can't coach fast. Right,

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Speaker 5: So all that being said with with the players coming out,

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Speaker 2: Thirty seconds, you get it all. I don't know how

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Speaker 4: What do you think I mean? You know, is Geno

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he'd be he'd be phenomena. You're just as you are.

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Speaker 4: You're awesome. Appreciate it. Thank you for stopping by. No,

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Speaker 2: on KFAM.

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Speaker 4: Good morning, Paul Nordo.

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Speaker 8: I'd love to see the Vikings draft either Jeremiah Love

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Speaker 2: On a talkback talker Tuesday, Curtesy of a Northern Fire

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Speaker 2: have been wonderful. It's just really really inspiring and energizing

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Speaker 2: very much for the submission in the name Jeremiah Love

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Speaker 2: was mentioned now that is widely considered the best running

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Speaker 6: They've been through it.

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Speaker 2: you're so inclined, Holy Angels, Rich Fields. Emma Johnson, running

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Speaker 2: back for the Nebraska Cornhuskers, joined the radio show.

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Speaker 4: As you heard there.

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Speaker 2: I've gotten to know Emmitt and his brother CJ over

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Speaker 2: about the last four or five years quite well. Well,

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Speaker 2: Pete's son Ryan played with Emmett at Holy at All

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Speaker 2: the Angels, So you've known Emmett and his family for

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Speaker 2: quite some time.

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Speaker 4: What just what a wonderful guy, right.

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Speaker 6: Fact, I mean, fabulous kid.

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Speaker 5: What amazed me even when he was in high school

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Speaker 5: he was a running back and a safety defensive back.

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Speaker 5: Never came off the field, never came off the field.

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Speaker 5: And even though he had played every single down, and

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Speaker 5: you know, you get eighty to one hundred plays, let's

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Speaker 5: say in a college game, and they'd hand him the

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Speaker 5: ball off late in the fourth quarter, he still had

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Speaker 5: the juice to break to break it.

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Speaker 6: So he has that endurance.

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Speaker 5: There's a toughness in an endurance factor that's there with

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Speaker 5: him that I've always I've always respected and loved about him,

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Speaker 5: and I think he's proven that also in college with

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Speaker 5: his versatility and just the total number of yards that

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Speaker 5: he was able to produce, the amount that he was

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Speaker 5: able to play. Wow, that the consistency, that's something that

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Speaker 5: we haven't really had at the running back spot.

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Speaker 6: Guys in, guys out, Guys got a hammy.

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Speaker 4: Guys.

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Speaker 5: They have someone that could come in week in and

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Speaker 5: week out and not be a question mark in readiness.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, I mean, what more could you want? A

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Speaker 5: hometown kid coming here and doing those things. And he's

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Speaker 5: been overlooked before and look what he was able to

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Speaker 5: do at Nebraska.

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Speaker 2: Let's hear from former Minnesota Vikings head coach Leslie Fraser.

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Speaker 2: He just won his third Super Bowl. It was with

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Speaker 2: the Seattle Seahawks. Leslie Fraser finished his Combine twenty six

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Speaker 2: Day one from Indianapolis on nine to noon after the.

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Speaker 3: Final segment nine to noon, putting a wrap on another

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Speaker 3: talker Tuesday, which is always presented by Northern Fire Grilling

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Speaker 3: the top of the show, talkbacks, you've been providing a

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Speaker 9: Hey Fellows Scuba Steven Crystal Wood chremat McCoy Cornerback out

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Speaker 9: of Tennessee East. I'm most excited for but hook right

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Speaker 9: a top of the kid. So if somebody's just putting

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Speaker 9: up insane like human or did last year at the Combine,

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Speaker 9: go for an athletic freak man like Leber said, is a.

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Speaker 10: Big body guy, but you could maybe move him the inside,

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Speaker 10: or there's a safety that you can take to put

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Speaker 10: a linebacker or you know other than that man, best

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Speaker 3: My opinion, Thank you Steve for the talkback, Thank thank

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Speaker 3: you for all the talkbacks. But he'll win a twenty

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Speaker 2: Now back to PA. All right now, Indianapolis scouting Combine

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Speaker 2: coverage continues. Pete Bursich returns momentarily. But let's chat with

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Speaker 2: one of our slash my all time favorites. He's Leslie Fraser,

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Speaker 2: coach of the Minnesota Vikings for three and a half

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Speaker 2: years and was the defensive coordinator for three and a

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Speaker 2: half years before that. Leslie is a three time Super

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Speaker 2: Bowl champion, most recently taking down Super Bowl sixty with

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Speaker 2: Seattle as assistant head coach to Mike McDonald. And here

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Speaker 2: we go, Leslie, do you do you ever get tired

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Speaker 2: of beating the New England Patriots in the Super Bowl?

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Speaker 2: I mean, two of your three have come against them.

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Speaker 7: How about the PA? And Chris Berman shared this with

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Speaker 7: me when we were down there for Super Bowl Week

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Speaker 7: that it was forty years apart and that's the longest

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Speaker 7: distance between Super Bowls of anybody. So I'm part of history, man.

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Speaker 7: So but yeah, it's weird that it turned out to

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Speaker 7: be New England, but it was still just as sweet

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Speaker 7: as when we wanted.

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Speaker 4: When I was playing, well, you're I mean, you're part

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Speaker 4: of a lot of history.

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Speaker 2: Let's be straight here is eighty five Bears probably still

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Speaker 2: greatest defense in the history of the NFL. Then we

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Speaker 2: had that that dance during the season called the Super

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Speaker 2: Bowl Shuffle that blew up. And I think, I think

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Speaker 2: with your dancing skills and the moonwalk that you unfurled,

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Speaker 2: Michael Jackson, God rest his soul, might have stolen the

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Speaker 2: Moonwalk from the Superman from.

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Speaker 4: You and the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 7: That Super Bowl Shuffle. I cannot believe that people still

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Speaker 7: talk about it to this day. It's amazing how popular became.

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Speaker 4: But not bragging about my dance moves at all, not

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Speaker 4: at all.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all the new schoolers listening now, go to YouTube

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl Shuffle and you'll know what we're talking about.

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Speaker 2: Uh So, but when when you won the Super Bowl

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Speaker 2: this time, it wasn't Steve de Bergh, it was Drake

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Speaker 2: May And so what what goes into Coach McDonald? You

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Speaker 2: and the staff, but really coach McDonald over the years

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Speaker 2: just I mean, he's good, but he's so good against

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Speaker 2: young quarterbacks. I mean, and I learned this when when

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Speaker 2: we came back there with Brozmer and you shut out

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Speaker 2: the vikings. If if you're a quarterback twenty four years

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Speaker 2: of age, you're younger and under obviously under center, you're

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Speaker 2: also deeply underwater against coach Mack because he beats them

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Speaker 2: all the time. Like, why is he so good against

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Speaker 2: young quarterbacks?

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Speaker 7: Well, you know, I think it's not just young quarterbacks,

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Speaker 7: but becking quarterbacks as well. But to your question directly

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Speaker 7: at young quarterbacks, that had a lot to do with

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Speaker 7: the inexperience. I mean that shows up there are certain

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Speaker 7: looks that you know they've looked at on tape. They're

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Speaker 7: trying to find those looks. Well, we're game playing an

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Speaker 7: aerial opponent and all of a sudden you're looking for

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Speaker 7: one look, but then here comes something else and you're

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Speaker 7: not sure what it is, and before you know it,

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Speaker 7: you know you're in a negative situation. So I think

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Speaker 7: the inexperienced part of it definitely has a lot to

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Speaker 7: do with it. And the fact that you know, we

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Speaker 7: run a multiple scheme, which can cause confusion even for

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Speaker 7: betsom quarterbacks. But the inexperience definitely shows up when we

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Speaker 7: when when when young quarterbacks go against a defense coach boy, Mike.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that that day the Vikings ret Seattle. I just

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Speaker 2: I just got to get this out of the way, man,

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Speaker 2: I mean Ernest Jones, I mean, holy cow. He well

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Speaker 2: what not only what a game, but like what he

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Speaker 2: was saying after the game, and I mean, just what

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Speaker 2: a wonderful young man he is.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 7: Oh, he's so impressive. Pa, you'd love to have him

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Speaker 7: on your team. We're fortunate because he's a tremendous leader

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Speaker 7: and he leads in the right way where guys they

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Speaker 7: know he always has their back.

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Speaker 4: But he's also a man.

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Speaker 7: Of integrity as well, so he not only talks to talk,

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Speaker 7: but he walks the walk. And that's a big deal,

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Speaker 7: as you know in our league.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that that was the heck of a move by

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Speaker 2: you guys trading for him. Leslie, How how do you

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Speaker 2: amplify what does the Champions do? As assistant head coach?

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Speaker 7: So my role, you know, I'm a part of everything

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Speaker 7: that we do. I do everything that a head coach

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Speaker 7: would do without having a head coach title. I'm involved

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Speaker 7: with our offense, our special teams you know obviously, our defense,

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Speaker 7: and even the things that we do personnel wise. When

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Speaker 7: it comes to making certain moves, you know, being able

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Speaker 7: to speak to John Snyder and myself and Mike just

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Speaker 7: talking through those things. So it's an all encompassing role.

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Speaker 7: And I thank the Lord that Mike and John saw

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Speaker 7: value and having a guy with former head coaching experience

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Speaker 7: on the staff and uh the assist a young first

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Speaker 7: time head coach. And it's been really good. Yeah, really good.

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Speaker 4: A man with that.

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Speaker 2: How about how about that deal you guys made at

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Speaker 2: the trade deadline with New Orleans for Rashid Shihed.

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Speaker 4: I mean that that was an amazing deal.

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Speaker 7: Well, an amazing deal. You have to get John Snyder

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Speaker 7: a ton of credit because you know, who would have known.

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Speaker 7: We had a young rookie and Tory who was doing

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Speaker 7: a great job us and he ends up getting injured

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Speaker 7: and Receid. At the time when we made the trade,

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Speaker 7: you know, we're thinking, okay, how we're going to use

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Speaker 7: and then Tory goes down, Tory Cordon, he goes down,

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Speaker 7: and all of a sudden, there's a major need for receives,

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Speaker 7: not just as a returner but as a receiver, and

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Speaker 7: he excelled in both areas. He I mean, we won

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Speaker 7: some games purely because of some of the things he

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Speaker 7: did on.

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Speaker 4: The field fantastic move.

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Speaker 2: Former Vikings head coach and defensive coordinator, currently with Seattle

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Speaker 2: as the assistant head coach. Three time champion Leslie Fraser

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Speaker 2: on our Combine Show from Indianapolis. Leslie that that year

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Speaker 2: you stepped away from Buffalo, how like how much did

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Speaker 2: that help you?

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Speaker 4: Or or like what did you see?

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Speaker 8: What? What?

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Speaker 2: What did God show you that year you were away

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Speaker 2: that helped better shape you?

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Speaker 7: You know, it was a chance for me to kind

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Speaker 7: of like look at the league from a different perspective.

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Speaker 7: And I was doing some work with the NFL Network

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Speaker 7: at the time, so I was still connected and just

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Speaker 7: you know, watching games and staying involved. But it just

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Speaker 7: gave me a different perspective of how to operate and

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Speaker 7: and help me to kind of shape if I did

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Speaker 7: come back, because I wasn't sure I would go back

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Speaker 7: and coach again. If I did come back, you know

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Speaker 7: what my focus would be and where I wanted to be.

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Speaker 7: And the Lord really spoke to me during that time

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Speaker 7: about being able to pour into players and coaches and

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Speaker 7: you know, just bring whatever positivity I could to help

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Speaker 7: a situation be better. If the opportunity presented itself, and

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Speaker 7: sure enough it did in Seattle.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so beautiful man tight in Aj Barner for

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Speaker 2: you guys, man, he's good. H Aj Barner caught a

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Speaker 2: touchdown in the Super Bowl. Running back Kenneth Walker was

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Speaker 2: the game's MVP. So here's the question, Leslie, is it

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Speaker 2: always true in this league? I mean forever, ma'am. If

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Speaker 2: you have the right versatileunning backs and tight ends, your

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Speaker 2: offense should be tough to stop because you can just

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Speaker 2: do so much with running backs and tight ends.

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Speaker 7: Oh, there's no question about it. I mean it puts

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Speaker 7: a lot of pressure on defenses when you can utilize

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Speaker 7: a really good tight end and you have a special

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Speaker 7: back as well. Now, you do need the right guy

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Speaker 7: under center. Ye, that's where it starts at. But yes,

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Speaker 7: to have the ability to be able to get a

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Speaker 7: quarterback out of trouble by having a tight end as

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Speaker 7: an outlet or running back who can take what should

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Speaker 7: be just a four or five yard game and make

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Speaker 7: it a sixty yard game like Kenneth Walker. Can you

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Speaker 7: have something that's pretty tough for defenses.

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Speaker 2: And clearly you have the right quarterback all right, And

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Speaker 2: you know, I'm just gonna be straight with you, because

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Speaker 2: we've been honest with each other ever since we've known

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Speaker 2: each other. After that Lions game Week eighteen with the Vikings,

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Speaker 2: I just I didn't know if Sam could handle the heat.

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Speaker 2: I'm just being straight with you. And then he leaves in,

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Speaker 2: he goes there. You know, he had all those turnovers

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Speaker 2: and everything, but still he's a super Bowl champion and

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Speaker 2: he came through each and every time you guys needed

652
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Speaker 2: him in those pressure filled moments. And the totality of

653
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 2: Sam Donald's career, I mean, shoot Leslie beat him three

654
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 2: times when he was with Buffalo as the defensive coordinator,

655
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 2: and Sam was starting with the Jets soon O'Connell and

656
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 2: crewe got him going here last year, and you guys

657
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 2: just won a Super Bowl with him. What what are

658
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 2: some keys to unleashing the very best in quarterback Sam Donald?

659
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Speaker 7: You know you reference those times where we went against

660
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 7: each other when he was with the Jets. Even then,

661
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 7: Pa I really thought that he could have but he

662
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 7: had a chance to be a really good quarterback. I

663
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 7: really did. We'd come from some of those games, and

664
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 7: you know they weren't always close, but I saw some

665
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 7: some intangibles with him, and I was when I was

666
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 7: when I was off that when you're reference, I was

667
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 7: at a San Francisco training camp and we were doing

668
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 7: a story on them and I told their coaches, I said,

669
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 7: and Sam was a backup for the forty niners at

670
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 7: the time. I said, the fact that you guys signed

671
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 7: Sam Donald, I really believe there's something there. He just

672
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 7: needed to be in the right environment. Of course, he

673
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 7: goes on from there to Minnesota and played really, really well.

674
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 7: But the thing that sticks out about Sam that I

675
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 7: that I've noticed, you know now having a chance to

676
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 7: work with him for a year, is that resiliency that

677
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 7: you that you need at that position, you know, not

678
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 7: letting the lows take you so low or the high

679
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 7: it's getting you too high to where you can't really function.

680
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 7: He's a pretty even killed guy, and he's been through

681
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 7: a lot, as you and I both know. And there's

682
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 7: been a lot of a lot of critics out there

683
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 7: who pointed at what he can't do. But man, there

684
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 7: are a lot of things he does well, and one

685
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 7: of them is his leadership. His teammates love him, they

686
00:31:58,120 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 7: really respect him, and I think that was true in

687
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 7: Minnesota as well. I know it's true, Uh in Seattle,

688
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,239
Speaker 7: and that's that's a big part of having success at

689
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 7: the quarterback position, that you have the respect of your

690
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 7: teammates and they trust that you can make plays when

691
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 7: you need to make plays. Uh you remember the situation

692
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 7: we had against the Rams the first time we played them,

693
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 7: and he threw all those picks and it was a

694
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 7: it was a tough period doing that that that game

695
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 7: where you know he's really struggling. But at the end

696
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 7: of at the at the end of that game, uh p,

697
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 7: if you if you have a chance to watch it,

698
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 7: he took He took us down the field, put us

699
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 7: in position to win that game and pay doing that game.

700
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 7: I had come to him on the sideline.

701
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 4: I said to him, I said, Sam.

702
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 7: You know, keep your head up, man. You know we're

703
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 7: gonna we're gonna figure this out. And I really believe them.

704
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 7: We're gonna we're gonna find ourselves at the end of

705
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 7: the game needing to draw to win the game, and

706
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 7: you're gonna take us down there. And sure enough it

707
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 7: happened out the resiliency in the blue that it takes

708
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 7: to do what he did at all the negative stuff

709
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 7: that had happened in that game. Yeah, I mean, it

710
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 7: just shows you the character of the individual. And then

711
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 7: the way Ernest Jones stepped up and spoke about him

712
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 7: in the postgame, just spoke to the respect that his teammates.

713
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 2: Have on Oh Leslie, that's so beautiful. Just a few

714
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 2: to close here with Leslie, Frasier, Mike McDonald, the coach

715
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 2: he actually might be, had a rise with the guys

716
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 2: in Eden Prairie with me, Tony Dungee and some others.

717
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 2: It's a football and gospel sharing event and in early May,

718
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 2: the gospel is everything to Leslie and his wife Gail,

719
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 2: and your former offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coaches Clint Kubiak

720
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 2: and Andrew Janoko. Shoot, those those are guys with whom

721
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 2: I prayed before every game when they are here. So

722
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 2: here's the question, how open are you and the team

723
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 2: with a love for the Gospel of Jesus Christ win

724
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 2: together at the facility and like like how important is

725
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 2: that when working through problems?

726
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 7: That is the secret sauce of my mind to our

727
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 7: team and even going back to the team I played

728
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 7: on in Chicago when we won the World championship and

729
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 7: even in in Annapolis when we won the championship. Pay

730
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 7: there's an intangible that kind of keeps a team together

731
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,760
Speaker 7: through some of the highs and lows of an NFL season.

732
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 7: And in Seattle, our coaches Boba study, our players, Bible study,

733
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 7: the chapels we would have the night before games. To

734
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 7: see the number of players at those chapels and coaches,

735
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 7: it would do your heart proud man, God, that was

736
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 7: in the midst of our team and really helped us

737
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 7: to be able to have that. If you listen to

738
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 7: some of some of the interviews of our players, will

739
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 7: talk about the connectivity of our team along with the coaches,

740
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,800
Speaker 7: and that's the difference, man, That common bl leave that

741
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 7: this is bigger enough and that God has us here

742
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,240
Speaker 7: for such a time as this, that at this moment,

743
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 7: this is where God has called us to be and

744
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 7: our goal is to serve Him through what we're doing

745
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 7: for a living. But at the end of the day,

746
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 7: we want to bring glory to the name of Jesus Christ.

747
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 7: That was evident on our team throughout and so we're

748
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 7: we're fortunate to have a group like we had. It's

749
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,439
Speaker 7: not always that way, but it was in twenty twenty five,

750
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 7: we had a group of guys and coaches who loved

751
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 7: the Lord and they knew where the priority should be.

752
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,760
Speaker 2: Well, that's why I said what I said about Ernest Jones,

753
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 2: you know, because I heard his press conference after the game,

754
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 2: you guys beat the Vikings, and I heard some others

755
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:41,959
Speaker 2: and then I'm like, I think he's Ernest Jones.

756
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:42,399
Speaker 4: Farth.

757
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 2: Then I'm like, I don't know what Ernest Jones one,

758
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 2: two and three did, but shoot, somebody did a good

759
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 2: job right there, because my man's orbank and that thing's

760
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 2: coming right from the heart. All right, Tom Clint Kubiak,

761
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 2: all right, Clint took the Raiders job, and in his

762
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 2: introductory press conference, Leslie, he thank God for choosing he

763
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 2: gets to be in that position and recognize that he

764
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 2: didn't have to choose that we get to do these

765
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 2: cool jobs, right, but he did. So let's use what

766
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 2: he has given us to share with others why we

767
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 2: believe and feel. The Gospel is absolutely the most important

768
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 2: thing a person should know, believe, and live.

769
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 4: I mean that's the calling, right.

770
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 7: Oh, absolutely, you know it does take belief. First of all,

771
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 7: there needs to be faith in order to receive these

772
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 7: blessings that God has blessed us with and didn't know

773
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 7: what to do with him and to give thanks where

774
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 7: thanks is required. And like Clint did in his press conference,

775
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 7: he thanks God for the opportunity to be the head

776
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 7: coach of the Raiders because you know, someone else could

777
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 7: be in that seat. But for whatever reason, God said Clint,

778
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 7: this is where I want you at this time. And

779
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 7: so for us, it always comes back to faith in

780
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 7: our belief and the next step for us is to

781
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 7: share that good news with others. We don't want to,

782
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 7: you know, put it in the closet or or hide it.

783
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:15,240
Speaker 7: We want others to have what we have, a salvation

784
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 7: that makes it clear of where I'm going to spend eternity. So, uh,

785
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 7: it behooves us to share our faith with with others.

786
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 7: And that's what Clint did here in Seattle, and I

787
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 7: know he's going to do it with the Raiders as well.

788
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 2: So with Clint and and Jenoko Andrew Jinoko, he's the

789
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator now for Clint in Las Vegas. Big task,

790
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 2: they're going to get that good quarterback to start What

791
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 2: what what was it like working with those guys and

792
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 2: and what advice would you give Clint about being a

793
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 2: National Football League head coach?

794
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 7: So you know, being coaching mats with both of them.

795
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 7: Of course, those guys were together in New Orleans as

796
00:37:56,000 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 7: well as in Minnesota before coming to Seattle. And you know,

797
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 7: we sit in those Bible studies and you get a

798
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,280
Speaker 7: chance to get to know people's heart doing those moments

799
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 7: because you're sharing some some intimate details about your life

800
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 7: and who you are and what you want to be.

801
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 7: And so I got to know them, you know, very well.

802
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 7: And I've known Clint going back to our Minnesota days

803
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 7: as you recall. Uh, So to see their hearts and

804
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,879
Speaker 7: to know what they stand for give you so much

805
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 7: respect for who they both are and how God's going

806
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 7: to use them going forward. The advice that I share

807
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 7: it with Clint, and you know, we had many conversations

808
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 7: approaching whether or not he was going to take that

809
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 7: Raider's job and whether he was going to pursue it.

810
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 7: Uh My advice to him was to trust trust God

811
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 7: in this situation. Let him guide you, pray about it,

812
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 7: consult with the people that you love, but just know

813
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,720
Speaker 7: that that God has you. Either way it goes whatever

814
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 7: decision is made, whether the Raiders decided to offer you

815
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 7: a job or don't offer you a job, God has you.

816
00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 7: He's going to protect you. He's going to always be

817
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 7: with you. Uh. And if you decide to take it

818
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 7: what you did. Uh, just know you're never alone. If

819
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 7: you ever want to talk or communicate, just give me

820
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:10,879
Speaker 7: a phone call. But at the end of the day,

821
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 7: you know, all you've got to do is speak to

822
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 7: your heaven Father. He will guide your every step and

823
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 7: surround yourself with the right kind of people. And that's

824
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 7: what he's been doing as he assembled his staff.

825
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 8: Uh.

826
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 7: Just to know that you're never alone in this. As

827
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 7: much as Satan will try to tell Clint when things

828
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 7: get hard, you know, you know you're not worthy or

829
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,720
Speaker 7: this or that, but beeat that in the name of Jesus.

830
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 7: That's that's not the truth.

831
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 8: Uh.

832
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 7: He's called you to disposition for you to succeed, and

833
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 7: so I have full belief pay that He's going to

834
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 7: be successful there with the Raiders.

835
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 2: I'm pulling for in big time. Hey, Leslie, have you

836
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 2: ever or do you ever feel like leaving football? I

837
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 2: mean completely leaving it and evangelizing the Gospel of Jesus

838
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 2: Christ full time? Does Does that ever pull it you

839
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 2: in a way where you're like it's time to call

840
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 2: it a career and move on to full time ministry

841
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 2: and gospel service.

842
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 4: For others, I.

843
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 7: Haven't gotten to that point yet. I did think about

844
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,439
Speaker 7: some of that when that year when I was not coaching, YEP,

845
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 7: I did think about what some of the options were.

846
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 7: But at this stage of my life, I felt, like,

847
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 7: you know, going back when I got the call from

848
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 7: Mike and John Snider to assist him, what's the right

849
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 7: thing to do. But you know, who knows what the

850
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 7: future goals when it comes to that. So but for now,

851
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 7: I think where God wants.

852
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 2: Mean well with the I mean I know you are

853
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 2: and biblically you know you are, but it I mean,

854
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 2: the way you describe things behind the scenes with the Seahawks, man,

855
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 2: it's kind of like a full time ministry and coaching

856
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 2: job too. So that's beautiful, all right, Well, last one here, Leslie,

857
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 2: Thanks for the time, and you know I love you.

858
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 2: What So Seattle Seahawks the champions. What are you guys

859
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 2: looking for at the combine shoot? I mean, you guys

860
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 2: have everything? And the uh I mean great Zabel was unbelievable.

861
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 2: A Byron murg I mean, col the kicker almost almost

862
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 2: won Super Bowl sixty MVP. Correct, what's key to the

863
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six combine for the Seahawks and.

864
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 7: You, Leslie, Well, you know, every years different, Pa, as

865
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 7: you know in this league, so you never want to

866
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 7: rest on your laurels. You got to always uh work

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Speaker 7: to improve because people are gaining. I mean, people are

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Speaker 7: going to study us in the off season and really

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Speaker 7: come back and try to be better than they were

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Speaker 7: this past year. So we've got to do the same thing.

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Speaker 7: You know, We've got to go and take a look

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Speaker 7: at the uh this class that's coming out and make

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Speaker 7: some good decisions in some areas where we need depth,

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Speaker 7: but also potentially create some competition at certain positions so

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Speaker 7: that we can continue to get better. So that's the goal,

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Speaker 7: to go and assess these players that are at the combine,

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Speaker 7: and you know, we'll go out and business some colleges

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Speaker 7: as well, but we want to keep improving and that's

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Speaker 7: what this process allows you to do, even though we're

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Speaker 7: picking you know, much later in the draft than we

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Speaker 7: have in our previous two years. But that's to go

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Speaker 7: to improve and get better.

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Speaker 4: Leslie, thank you very much for the time.

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Speaker 7: Thank you, Thank you Pa. Thanks I love you man

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Speaker 7: and just appreciate always in the chance to talk to you.

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Speaker 2: Likewise, love you too, Leslie Fraser nine to noon. That

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Speaker 2: is indeed Leslie Frasier with PA.

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Speaker 3: That wraps up day one of a couple of days

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Speaker 3: of combine collaboration.

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Speaker 4: You could say.

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Speaker 3: In Indianapolis, PA and Pete Bursig fun show today and tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Just a reminder both head coach.

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Speaker 3: Kevin O'Connell and acting general manager Rob Brazinski, you're not

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Speaker 3: going to hear from them at any other podium. You'll

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Speaker 3: hear from them nine to noon with PA tomorrow. Kevin

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Speaker 3: Stefanski potentially in the mix. A fun Tuesday ahead in

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Speaker 3: Indy as Kfan Combine coverage nine to noon.

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