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Speaker 1: From the fish filled Midwest lakes to the deep woods

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Speaker 1: of the North upland prairies filled with pheasants, to the

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Speaker 1: whistling wings of duck ponds. This is Saturday Morning, Fan Outdoors,

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Speaker 1: your show for hunting and fishing tips, topics and conversations.

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Speaker 1: You can also send us a question or opinion by

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Speaker 1: emailing us booth at KFE dot com. Here's your host,

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Speaker 1: the Fans, Captain Billy Hildebrand.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Fan Outdoors, faithful, Good morning to you. Yep,

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Speaker 2: well we made it to another Saturday. The cabin casts

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Speaker 2: are ended until April first. We'll play that all by

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Speaker 2: my loan when we get to April one two.

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Speaker 3: I'm just telling you that.

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Speaker 2: But today is a Today is a well, it's a

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Speaker 2: pretty busy day in the outdoors because this day, November eighth,

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, is the opening day of the Minnesota

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Speaker 2: Firearm white tailed Deer season. Yep, it is, And as

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Speaker 2: was said before, it's cloudy. But as I looked outside

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Speaker 2: this morning on the way down here, and by the way,

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Speaker 2: the exit to the station is closed, which I didn't know,

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Speaker 2: which took me almost to downtown Minneapolis before I could

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Speaker 2: turn around. Yeah, anyway, much easier in Sock Center. I

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Speaker 2: It's not a big deal, but it's a bigger deal

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Speaker 2: down here anyway. So it's the white tail deer season,

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Speaker 2: and there are well I talked about the forecast cloudy

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Speaker 2: High today about thirty five degrees, so it's gonna be chilly.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be chilly er tomorrow. The wind today

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Speaker 2: out of the north five to ten, so not too bad,

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Speaker 2: not too bad. The sun will show its peak out

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Speaker 2: of the eastern sky at seven two, and you can

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Speaker 2: be hunting thirty minutes prior to that, I believe. And

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Speaker 2: I haven't hunted for a couple of years, and it

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Speaker 2: But check the laws yourself. Tomorrow, still cooler, it'll be

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Speaker 2: around freezing tomorrow for a high northwest winds ten to

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Speaker 2: I heard it advertised that there are about four hundred

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Speaker 2: thousand deer licenses sold in the state of Minnesota for

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Speaker 2: opening weekend. That's a pretty large army when you think

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Speaker 2: about it, and every one of those four hundred thousand

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Speaker 2: quite an army. But it's amazing too. You can put

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Speaker 2: them in the woods, put them hunting deer, and very

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Speaker 2: seldom are there any accidents and fatalities. And that's a

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Speaker 2: real credit to people that are outdoors, people that are careful.

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Speaker 2: But it takes care, it really does. It takes care

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Speaker 2: in order to keep that from happening. And I applaud

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Speaker 2: everybody out there that practices firearms safety. And by that,

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Speaker 2: I've said this before. You've got my chairs getting lower

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Speaker 2: But and the firearm safety is so crucial when it

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Speaker 2: comes to any hunting experience. And I wish everybody's success.

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Speaker 2: But that being said, I have something I really want

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Speaker 2: to talk about. First of all, though the shotguns zoned

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Speaker 2: that the legislature talked about eliminating, it's not this year.

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Speaker 2: So don't figure if you were hunting in farm country

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Speaker 2: last year that this year you can shoot it. Not

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Speaker 3: I watched that happen.

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Speaker 2: This is unbelievable. I Honest to god, folks, I've gone

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Speaker 2: down about six inches. I think you want to switch, Well,

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Speaker 2: This is really strange. Yeah, this is really weird anyway,

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Speaker 2: But there are a lot of people in there, and

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Speaker 2: yours truly myself, I am not in favor of that,

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Speaker 2: Nor are a lot of the landowners, at least about

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Speaker 2: Because there are still people on this landscape, some that

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Speaker 2: They have shot it, they're proud of it, and they're

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Speaker 2: Just keep your mouth shut. If you can't say anything decent,

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Speaker 2: will you please? I'm dead serious about that. That just

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Speaker 2: I just took that animal's life. But it's going to

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Speaker 2: And that's what some youngsters believe. But that's not the case.

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Speaker 2: when I get a pheasant and I take it from

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Speaker 2: not in today's world until right now with the government

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Speaker 2: back to the original point. If somebody posts something on

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Speaker 2: that's really I quit posting pictures of fish, posting things

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Speaker 2: And I'll share some things. Bob posts something. By the way,

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Speaker 2: he's in the up right now at his parents' place.

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Speaker 2: They're hunting grouse today, so but I'll share some of

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Speaker 2: the things that he does. Very very seldom do I

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Speaker 3: I guess that's just.

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Speaker 2: Me and I don't know if you share my opinion

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Speaker 2: Everybody's entitled to an opinion, even me, and that I

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Speaker 2: to have we'll talk a lot with mister Stan Tequila

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Speaker 2: and he's coming up right around the corner too. We've

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Speaker 2: got some bonus stand this morning, and I'm really thankful

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Speaker 2: We'll talk some things about hunting, and Bob will join

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Speaker 2: us toward the end of the show and we'll chat

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Speaker 2: with Bob about now. He was hunting quail down in

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Speaker 2: Pheasants Forever his a job. But I I'm back in studio.

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Speaker 2: Brett has to put up with me now until well

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Speaker 2: until the place, Yeah, until spring, until the place sinks

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Speaker 3: I'm tell Bob is saddiest to put the shotgun away. Yeah, Oh,

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Speaker 3: he won't like that. He doesn't know it. He doesn't

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Speaker 2: The reality is I'm getting my my chores done at home.

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Speaker 2: picking some up and bringing it back or buying some wood.

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Speaker 2: But right now, it's an electric heater in my basement

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Speaker 2: and we're you're getting biased not super cold yet, but

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Speaker 2: We will do so. I Am going to find a

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Speaker 2: Tequila right after this man.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back to Fan Outdoors, joined now by author, naturalist

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Speaker 4: and photographer Stan Tequila. Whether it's in Minnesota, Alaska, or Africa,

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Speaker 4: He's always in search of all things wild and natural.

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Speaker 4: He may even know more about animals than they do themselves.

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Speaker 3: And you thought the cat knew the outdoors.

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Speaker 4: Here's fan favorite Stan Tequila on Fan Outdoors.

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Speaker 2: Well, I thought I knew the outdoors, but you have

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Speaker 2: certainly proved me wrong again. Stan, Thank you for joining me.

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Speaker 3: Hey, good morning, how you doing I'm good. I'm good.

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Speaker 3: How about you.

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Speaker 5: Good?

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Speaker 3: Busy time of year, lots of things going on.

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Speaker 2: Yes, there are what is going on in your world

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Speaker 2: right now as far as Mother Nature and everything involved.

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Speaker 3: Well, going back and forth with alternating between out trying

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Speaker 3: to capture video of white tilt deer and working very

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Speaker 3: hard on getting the new owl cam live stream going.

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Speaker 3: So for those who don't know, I've started a live

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Speaker 3: I have two different feeders up and two different cameras

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Speaker 3: the dark. It's all done with infrared, by the way,

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Speaker 3: and so you can see them coming in. And then

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Speaker 3: the other one is kind of close up to the feeder,

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Speaker 3: It's just a riot to watch. So then yesterday I

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Speaker 3: capture another data to be able to see that flicker.

431
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 3: But the lights are flickering, and yet we see them

432
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 3: as steady lights. If you just take a standard camera

433
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 3: and change it to fifty frames per second and hold

434
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 3: it up to those lights, which I did, you can

435
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 3: see the lights flickering. And it's it's an AHA moment

436
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 3: for a lot of people because up until then they're like, yeah, okay, whatever,

437
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,719
Speaker 3: I just take it for granted. But then when you

438
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 3: see it, you see that those lights are flickering. But

439
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 3: when you don't look at it through the camera, you

440
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 3: don't see the flickering. And so there's lots of that

441
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 3: out there, lots of that things going on in nature

442
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 3: that we can't see, we can't hear, except certainly can't smell.

443
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 3: There's lots of because you know, the human olfactory system

444
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 3: is terrible, especially compared to all wildlife, and so we

445
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 3: don't we don't smell it either. So there's many many

446
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 3: different things. We're good at what we do, but we're

447
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 3: but we're not the greatest what we do. There's lots

448
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 3: of things out there that are way better than we

449
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 3: are at all sorts of different things.

450
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 5: Stan.

451
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 2: We have to take a pause, so we'll do that.

452
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 2: But when we come back. I watched a h Channel

453
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 2: two movie this last evening about pigeons.

454
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 3: Oh dang it. I wanted to see that. I wanted

455
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 3: to see it, and I missed it.

456
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 2: I was fascinating, but it was incredible.

457
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:28,239
Speaker 3: Actually I missed it.

458
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 2: And but one of the things that came to mind

459
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 2: is homing pigeons. They put the well, how does how

460
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 2: does that happen? Let's talk about that if you if

461
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 2: you can, okay, well, homing pigeons.

462
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 3: It is. Here we go and we'll be right back

463
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 3: after this.

464
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 2: We're back twenty one minutes after the hour of six

465
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 2: am on the Whitetail Firearm Deer season opener. As I'm

466
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 2: sure most people or a lot of people are out

467
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 2: in the in the hinter land, highways and byways, out

468
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 2: in the fields, forests and beyond, hoping, hoping to waylay

469
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 2: a deer. And I know that the Department Natural Resources

470
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 2: would be excited to find out people are successful, because

471
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 2: they are hoping to pare down the herd just a

472
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 2: bit and a lot of that well, we can talk

473
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,479
Speaker 2: about that later, but a lot of that has to

474
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 2: do with the chronic wasting disease and not wanting it

475
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 2: so easily spread within the population of whitetail. Our guest

476
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 2: right now is mister Stan Tequila. Find him at naturesmart

477
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 2: dot com and find his cameras down at the bottom.

478
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 2: Scroll down and you can find the flying squirrel cams. Yep,

479
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 2: and having been having seen them in person.

480
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 3: They're amazing little critters.

481
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 2: They just appear out of nowhere. They act like they're

482
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 2: on speed the whole time you're watching them. They're just

483
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 2: the most nervous little critter. But Stan, they when when

484
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 2: a flying squirrel comes in, they just gosh, they just appear.

485
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 2: It's amazing, first.

486
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 3: Of all, to see them coming out of the dark,

487
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 3: this little tiny squirrel. When I say tiny, they can

488
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 3: sit in the palm of your hand, that's how small

489
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 3: they are. These are not like you're thinking squirrels. You

490
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 3: think the gray squirrels or the fox hnos or something.

491
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 3: These are very very small. They're like a quarter of

492
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 3: the size of what you're familiar with. And they come,

493
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 3: you know, screaming out of the dark. They're you know,

494
00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 3: basically spread eagle in their flying squirrels suit, you know,

495
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 3: and they did that that alone. That's why I set

496
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 3: up the one camera to have a wider angle so

497
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 3: you can see them coming in from the dark. And

498
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 3: that to me always amazes me too. And how they

499
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 3: navigate through a forest full of trees and branches and

500
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 3: things like that is absolutely amazing. Then they come in

501
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 3: hit the and there there's so their feet are so

502
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 3: small and they don't have fur on their feet, by

503
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 3: the way, They're a little little pink naked feet and

504
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 3: they land on you know, frozen surfaces sometimes or a

505
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 3: cold tree or something, and then they scamper around and

506
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 3: I'm always amazed by them and how they how they

507
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 3: do so well. But yeah, there's there's something.

508
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 2: I was I always used to think that the red squirrels,

509
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 2: the little red squirrels, were nervous kind of little critter.

510
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 2: But holy mackerel, they they don't. They they're slow. There's

511
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 2: there's snails compared to flying squirrels.

512
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 3: That is so true. It's absolutely true. The flying squirrels

513
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 3: are like, yeah, so so active. They really are. Oh my,

514
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 3: all right.

515
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 2: PBS had on TV it was all about pigeons and

516
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 2: it was honest to goodness. It was fascinating and I

517
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 2: did one thing I didn't realize. They pigeons mate for

518
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 2: life unless one of them is killed or dies, then

519
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 2: they'll find another mate. But they truly do mate for life.

520
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 3: And yeah, long term pair bonds with these guys. Yeah,

521
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 3: it's amazing. But they're an interesting bird. We you know,

522
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 3: we're not even quite sure exactly where they originated from

523
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 3: because they've been associated with people for long before the

524
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 3: written record, so dating back as long as the dog

525
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 3: has been domesticated, pigeons have been domesticated, so we're talking

526
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 3: ten to fifteen thousand years that we've had pigeons, and

527
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 3: people have moved them around the world and they are

528
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 3: found everywhere and we've used them for everything from food

529
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 3: to you know, delivering the mail of things, you know,

530
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 3: messages and such. But yeah, they're they're quite a remarkable bird.

531
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 3: People don't seem to like them. I don't understand why,

532
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:12,919
Speaker 3: because they are they're survivors. They survive in areas even

533
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 3: where there is no nature, where there is no h

534
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 3: you know, because they're in downtown areas where there's no trees,

535
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 3: no shrubs, no grass, no nothing, and yet they survive

536
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 3: and they thrive, and that to me is quite remarkable

537
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 3: that they can adapt that well. But yeah, they're and

538
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:33,479
Speaker 3: they're a fun they're a fun bird homing pigeons, which

539
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 3: is uh, the ones who are able to they they clubs,

540
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 3: people put them together and they race these pigeons and

541
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 3: how far they can get them to go. And it's

542
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 3: routine for them to take their pigeons six hundred, seven hundred,

543
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 3: you know, eight hundred miles away from uh, you know,

544
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 3: where they're at, and then release them and have them

545
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 3: raced to get back home, which is you know. And

546
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,240
Speaker 3: by the way, they can upwards of a thousand miles,

547
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 3: which is quite a distance if you think about it,

548
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 3: from here to Chicago, it's only about four hundred and

549
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 3: fifty or five hundred miles, so they can easily make

550
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 3: their way back from Chicago to you know, to Minneapolis well.

551
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 3: And I find that absolutely fascinating because I always joke

552
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 3: and say that, you know, these guys can find their

553
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 3: way back home. I mean, because if somebody drove to

554
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 3: you to Chicago and dropped you off, you know, could

555
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 3: you find your way back home? You know? Because I

556
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 3: believe a lot of people have a hard time finding

557
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 3: their car in a parking lot when they're you know,

558
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,959
Speaker 3: out shopping and things. I know that's the case. Yeah,

559
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 3: So it's really it's one of those things where they

560
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 3: do remarkable, remarkable things, these birds do, and and yet

561
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 3: they have no respect whatsoever. The Rodney dangerfield of birds,

562
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:52,760
Speaker 3: no doubt.

563
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,720
Speaker 2: Is the homing pigeon? Is that a different species?

564
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 3: Well, it's a breed of pigeon, so it's it's the

565
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 3: same species, just a different breed of the pigeon. And

566
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 3: there and they need to be trained to do this.

567
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 3: They they train them by simply taking them slightly further

568
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 3: each time, and then they kind of make their way

569
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 3: back uh home that way because they have such strong

570
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 3: homing uh abilities that they always just want to get

571
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 3: back to where they're you know, where they belong.

572
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:28,720
Speaker 2: Huh Okay, now is the where they belong?

573
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 3: Is that?

574
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 2: Does that change? Can Can that be changed? If somebody

575
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 2: let's say they.

576
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 3: Breed, Yes, given enough time, okay, they can they.

577
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 2: Can move them. Someplay can sell them and other people

578
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 2: can have.

579
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,439
Speaker 3: And move them, yes, yes exactly, and then they they

580
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 3: home to that spot. And once they're home at that spot,

581
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 3: then they uh uh for the people who race them,

582
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 3: they take them different different distances and uh and then

583
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 3: have them returned back home. And they can do that

584
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,280
Speaker 3: to train them to you know, to do this getting

585
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 3: ready for the big, the big trips. So, by the way,

586
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 3: some of the records, it's normal for these pigeons to

587
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 3: make their way back home at five hundred and six

588
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 3: hundred miles away from home and make their way back.

589
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 3: But some of the longest records ever on these birds

590
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 3: up to seventy two hundred miles, oh stand, which is

591
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 3: just crazy. I just looked it up just for some fun.

592
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 3: Here and the record here was seventy two hundred miles

593
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 3: from France to Vietnam and it took twenty four days

594
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 3: of flying for these birds to make their way back home. Well,

595
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 3: they must have to imagine, No, I can't.

596
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 2: They must have to they must have to rest and

597
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 2: and I don't know's sleep, but they have to eat.

598
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, yes, and no, It's nothing unusual for a

599
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,240
Speaker 3: bird to go many many days. There's many migratory birds

600
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 3: who will have these big long flights, like for example,

601
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 3: over the ocean where there's no place to stop, rest,

602
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 3: eat or anything like that, and they go for days

603
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 3: and days of flying. So it's not it's not beyond

604
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 3: the scope of these birds to be able to fly

605
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 3: these great distances without having to stop for food every

606
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 3: three hours like people do, you know, so uh they

607
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 3: they And that's another thing you have to think about too.

608
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 3: So if they're burning fat as the as the fuel

609
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 3: for their flight, because you've got to have some kind

610
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 3: of fuel, you just can't can't be running on empty,

611
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 3: so you you cannot have too much fat otherwise you

612
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 3: can't fly. Or if you're too heavy, the aerodynamics are

613
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 3: all wrong, You're you're putting out more energy than it

614
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 3: is to take you, you know, to keep you aloft.

615
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 3: Then it you know, than it is to u you know,

616
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 3: not be doing that. So it's you have it's a

617
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 3: balance act. It's a balancing act of having enough reserves

618
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 3: and being able to get back home or get to

619
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,720
Speaker 3: wherever you need to go where you can then find

620
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,399
Speaker 3: some food. And so it's a real delicate balancing act.

621
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 3: You can't be too much in one direction or the other.

622
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 3: That and these birds are kind of really have done

623
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 3: a great job at adapting and changing to these conditions

624
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:24,959
Speaker 3: and being able to do it. But I just find

625
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 3: the whole thing absolutely fascinating. You got to ask yourself, though,

626
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,800
Speaker 3: how do they find their way? You know, just that

627
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 3: in itself is kind of a magical feat, if you will.

628
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 3: But it's always We've known this for a long time,

629
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 3: but these pigeons have a some microfibers in their forebrain

630
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 3: and on the tips of their bill that allows them

631
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 3: to feel the pull of the magnetic of compass on

632
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 3: the Earth. So you know, the poles the Earth's got

633
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 3: the north pole in the south pole, and that's how

634
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 3: compasses work. It's got that magnetic attraction. These birds have

635
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 3: it built into them where they can feel which direction

636
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 3: is north and which way is south. And I've always

637
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 3: said that I would love to have that because that

638
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 3: would be really cool. You know, you'd be able at

639
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 3: any given moment, you'll be able to just turn and say, yep,

640
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 3: that ways north. Let's you know so and that and

641
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 3: that's something. And then they've done really nice studies and

642
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 3: by the way, they've they've done really good studies with

643
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 3: birds with that by putting them in these Faraday cages.

644
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 3: These Faraday cages are cages that take away the magnetic

645
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 3: poles of the Earth, so it kind of trace a

646
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:40,439
Speaker 3: non magnetic area within the there and then they test

647
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 3: the birds as far as finding their locations, and without

648
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 3: the poles of the earth, they can't they can't really

649
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 3: do it. So they've they've done really good studies with

650
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 3: this type of stuff to the birds also use physical

651
00:40:54,440 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 3: landmarks to find their way along, so visual cues sovers mountains, valleys,

652
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 3: you know, coastlines. These types of things are used also

653
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 3: visually in addition too, because honestly, this type of navigation

654
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 3: where you're going thousands of miles or even hundreds of miles,

655
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,280
Speaker 3: it seems like, oh well, they'll just have that direction.

656
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 3: They you can't just use rely on one thing like

657
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 3: the magnetic poles, the pole of the earth. You have

658
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 3: to have a variety of things that you tap into

659
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 3: to get you know, to get you back to where

660
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 3: you need to be. So the visual cues like that.

661
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 3: The latest stuff that they're showing with these pigeons is

662
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 3: that the pigeons can see negative and positive ions in

663
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 3: the air. Now, first of all, who knew that there

664
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 3: was negative and positive ions in the air? I mean,

665
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 3: and why is there negative positive eyends in the air?

666
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 3: And so apparently they can see this and this helps

667
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 3: them along the way. Another thing we just have no

668
00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 3: clue about. And then they're now finding also that these

669
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 3: birds have a well developed factory. Now we used to

670
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 3: always say that birds have a very reduced ability to smell,

671
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 3: and now we're finding that well, they do have a

672
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 3: good ability to smell, but it's much different from ours.

673
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 3: So therefore we don't really understand it that well. And

674
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 3: they're able to set you know, to pick up different

675
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 3: scents on the wind that help them to in their navigation.

676
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 3: So there's so many different things that these birds are

677
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 3: doing just to be able to find their way, you know,

678
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 3: back home. But did you think about your hummingbirds that

679
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 3: you feed in the springtime? They come back up and

680
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 3: they come back right to where your feeder was.

681
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 6: They find their way, you know, they with the with

682
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 6: these pigeons or the hummingbirds or any of them, they've

683
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 6: they've never been They can't have been there before.

684
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not like that's a that's a journey

685
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 2: they make four or five times so they can remember,

686
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:55,760
Speaker 2: I remember.

687
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:59,919
Speaker 3: That, rocky. So the way that the way that would work,

688
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 3: like with the hummingbirds, for example, or even loons. You know,

689
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,760
Speaker 3: these birds both hummingbirds and LUNs, by the way, migrate

690
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 3: on their own. They don't go into a flock because

691
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 3: it'd be easy to follow a flock. Flocking birds have

692
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 3: some distinct advantages that way. So, for example, sand hill cranes,

693
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,320
Speaker 3: the young sand hill cranes will follow their parents down

694
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 3: on the migration route, and once they've gone one way,

695
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 3: that's all they need. Once they've gone one direction, that

696
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 3: they've got it. From there, they can find the way

697
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 3: back and they've it's locked in and this is it.

698
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 3: But you've got things like hummingbirds and loons who these

699
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 3: babies who were hatched in the springtime will have to

700
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 3: migrate on their own to an unknown location that they've

701
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 3: never been to before. And they're not following other loons

702
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 3: or other hummingbirds, are doing it on their own. That

703
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 3: my friend is like, wow, that that one's kind of

704
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 3: like holy mackerel. That is amazing because they are you know,

705
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 3: the how do they know when they got there that

706
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 3: they've gotten to the right place? You know? Is there

707
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 3: a sign? You know, it's a stop here, you arrived. Yeah,

708
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 3: And there's some interesting things that going on there.

709
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 5: Now.

710
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 3: They've done some studies with that also to What they

711
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 3: did was they took birds who were displaying this migratory restlessness.

712
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 3: This is this condition right before they migrate that you know,

713
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 3: they start orienting to the direction that they need to

714
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 3: uh uh, you know, migrate to. They become real restless

715
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 3: at night because a lot of these smaller birds will

716
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 3: migrate at night. Anyhow, when they get that, they'll take

717
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 3: the bird and package them up and fly them down south,

718
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 3: you know, and put a tracker on them and then

719
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 3: let them go. And what they found was is that

720
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 3: the birds will fly approximately the same distance that you know,

721
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 3: from where their home was to where they would be

722
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 3: wintering if they but they if they artificially fly them

723
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 3: down to their wintering spot, they will fly the same

724
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 3: distance from where now the wintering spot is even further south.

725
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 3: I'm not explain that, you know clear enough, but you

726
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:05,919
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. Think of it. If they're gonna

727
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 3: fly a thousand miles from north to south, and right

728
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 3: before they migrate, they take them, they artificially fly them

729
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 3: down and they release them in that area, they will

730
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:20,280
Speaker 3: still fly that approximate thousand miles south to a new location.

731
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 3: So perhaps some of the distances because we're always wondering about, well,

732
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 3: how do they get you know, when they get there,

733
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 3: how do they know where they're there? A lot of

734
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 3: times it's like the hormones in their bodies that carrying

735
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 3: them from point A to point B run out, they

736
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,919
Speaker 3: use them all up, they use all the hormones when

737
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 3: they are in the right spot, and then all of

738
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 3: a sudden, the hormones turn off and boom, they're there.

739
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 3: They're in that area that they need to be. And

740
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 3: so they've again done really nice studies showing that this distance,

741
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 3: it can be replicated by simply moving them that same distance,

742
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 3: and then they'll actually fly even continue further in the

743
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 3: same distance they would have. So it's an interesting thing

744
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 3: and then it opens up so many different questions and

745
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 3: so many other possibilities that you have to consider when

746
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,399
Speaker 3: when you know, when you're looking at these birds and going,

747
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 3: how are you doing this? Yeah?

748
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,240
Speaker 2: Huh, San, we have to take another pause, my friend,

749
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 2: and it was good when we When we come back,

750
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 2: let's talk white Tail since it is the opener and

751
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 2: a number of people you're interested in that too, So.

752
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 3: We will dear talk yep right.

753
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 2: After this with mister San Tequila on Fan Outdoors and

754
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 2: we will be right back. We're back Fan Outdoors. Come

755
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 2: on at you until the eight o'clock hour. Bob Saint

756
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 2: Pierre will join us a little bit later in the

757
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 2: program and we'll talk with him then. But right now,

758
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 2: our guest is mister Stan Tequila Nature smart dot Com

759
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 2: and scroll it down to the bottom to find the

760
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 2: flying squirrel cam and right around sundown tune it in.

761
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 3: Look.

762
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:13,280
Speaker 2: If you don't know what they are, you will be amazed,

763
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 2: as amazed I'm sure as I was, and I still am.

764
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 3: They're so cool. Stan.

765
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 2: You's mentioned earlier that you had been out looking or

766
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 2: trying to get some pictures of white tails. Is the

767
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 2: white tail animal in rut right now?

768
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 3: Absolutely? I'm always amazed. When I spend, you know, a

769
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 3: lot of time with these white tails. The first thing

770
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 3: you notice when you get anywhere even near them, you

771
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:50,879
Speaker 3: could smell that sweet, musky smell of the males who

772
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 3: are putting out this descent to attract in the females.

773
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 3: And like one of the very first things you notice.

774
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 3: And you know, kind of going back to where I

775
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 3: was saying, we humans don't really have a very good

776
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 3: ole factory system. So you can only imagine what it

777
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 3: would be like for the dose in other bucks. They

778
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 3: could they be able to smell this from great distances.

779
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 3: I mean, I always think if we can smell it, wow,

780
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 3: it must be amazing for all the other animals. Yeah,

781
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 3: that you do it. But yeah, the males are definitely

782
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 3: into the rut and are actively following females and are

783
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 3: actively you know, looking for breeding opportunities. And it's it's

784
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 3: really based on the availability of the females and how

785
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 3: many females that are in the area, which ones are

786
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 3: an estris and you know ready for breeding, you know,

787
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 3: so on and so forth, because there's not a lot

788
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 3: of uh you know, uh extra copulations going on. It's

789
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 3: it's concentrated in the window of time in which uh,

790
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 3: you know, pregnancy can happen. So they're really kind of

791
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 3: biting their time and waiting for those females to come

792
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 3: into us dress and be ready to be bred. And

793
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 3: so it's not usual for a buck to follow around

794
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 3: a female for days before, you know, looking for that

795
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 3: breeding opportunity.

796
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:15,240
Speaker 2: Well, I have what I've grabbed a buck before, trying

797
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 2: to move it or whatever after it's died. Once I

798
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 2: think only once I grabbed a hold of the back

799
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 2: leg and got the metatarsal grant gland.

800
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 3: I won't do that again, Stan, That was how long

801
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 3: you had to get the scent off your A long time, buddy. Yeah.

802
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,399
Speaker 3: This is a very powerful scent that is put out

803
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 3: kind of like on the inside part of the of

804
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 3: the leg the back legs of these deer that it's

805
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 3: it can be really so if the deer is brown,

806
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:55,320
Speaker 3: then this area is really really dark and it's oily,

807
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 3: and it puts out that scent. So and they use

808
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 3: that because you're and the urin will run across their

809
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 3: legs also and that'll take that scent down onto the

810
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 3: ground too. And this is it really is a powerful smell.

811
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,240
Speaker 3: It really very musky, very sweet smelling.

812
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 2: Well, now, the scrapes that they build, is that like

813
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 2: a sign post for doze that are looking for them?

814
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 3: Or is that for the other males that is for

815
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 3: the doe. What they're doing is so the scrape and

816
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 3: the rub is the male will find a stick that's

817
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,399
Speaker 3: hanging down, a branch that's hanging down that's just kind

818
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 3: of like at the right height, and they'll do a

819
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 3: number of things to that stick. They'll chew it, which

820
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 3: puts down saliva and puts on a scent on it. Two,

821
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,359
Speaker 3: they'll rub their faces on it, so they got these

822
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 3: clans located on their face that helps near their eyes,

823
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 3: that help them to put a scent down on the stick.

824
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 3: And then directly below that stick, they will scrape the

825
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,760
Speaker 3: ground clear of all the leaves so it's just bare dirt.

826
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:01,919
Speaker 3: This is an area that will open up that's maybe

827
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 3: twenty four inches by twenty four inches or so. It's

828
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 3: not a big area. And that in that area there,

829
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 3: when they're scraping with their paws, they're putting down a

830
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 3: scent from those scent clans that are found, you know,

831
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 3: the digital scent clans between their toes. Then they and

832
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 3: then sometimes and oftentimes so pee in that area are

833
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 3: also and by the way, moose through the same similar

834
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,280
Speaker 3: type of thing where they'll kind of make a wallow

835
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 3: like that minus the stick. And so then and then

836
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 3: that there is what we've always understood. And you know

837
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 3: what the common knowledge is about that is that that

838
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 3: itself is supposed to attract the females. Now whether or

839
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 3: not that's true, we don't know, but that is supposed

840
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 3: to help to all these pheromones. These scents that are

841
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 3: out that the male is putting out is to you know,

842
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 3: presumably send the female into this estrus, you know early,

843
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 3: but you know, knowing whether nature, you know, if she's

844
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 3: not ready, she's not ready, that's right. So maybe that's

845
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 3: just a bunch of guys hoping and wishing and wanting.

846
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 3: But who've kind of come up with that, But we

847
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 3: don't really don't know exactly what that does. But it

848
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 3: is really meant for you know, their females. Males will

849
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 3: come to that other males will come to those same

850
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,240
Speaker 3: rubs and do the same exact thing in the same spot.

851
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 3: So it doesn't seem to be like a challenging type

852
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 3: of thing.

853
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 2: I thought that the rubs stand. I knew they were

854
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 2: used for breeding, but I thought that they were to

855
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 2: take the velvet from the antlers early on.

856
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:43,439
Speaker 3: So that so that's different. So they will rub their

857
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 3: antlers clean. So the velvet is the vascularized tissue excuse me,

858
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 3: that covers the bony antler underneath. It provides the nutrients,

859
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 3: you know, the calcium to build those antlers. Then when

860
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 3: it's all done, that velvet dies and then they use

861
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:06,879
Speaker 3: this to they use small trees to rub that velvet off.

862
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 3: But even well after the time in which that velvet

863
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 3: has been removed from the antlers, the bucks still go

864
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 3: to small trees and still kind of rub their antlers

865
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 3: on them. And then they they do and they hit

866
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 3: another gland that's on the top of their head on

867
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 3: those branches too, and then they will lick those branches too,

868
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:31,760
Speaker 3: so they're putting down at that point. It's a visual queue,

869
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 3: so you can see the torn bark on these small trees,

870
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 3: and then there's a scent put down also at the

871
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:38,720
Speaker 3: same time.

872
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 5: Uh.

873
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 3: And then that is another area in which the males

874
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 3: are then advertising their you know, their presence, and perhaps

875
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 3: it may be for other males to be able to say, hey, well,

876
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:54,240
Speaker 3: maybe this isn't my area. Maybe this area's already taken.

877
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:56,439
Speaker 3: You know, we're not you know, we're not quite sure.

878
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 3: But that's kind of like the general consensus.

879
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 2: And that Well, with a a scrape, isn't there usually

880
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 2: a branch or something overhead?

881
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,399
Speaker 3: Right? Right? So you got so you got rubs, which

882
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 3: are you know, where they're rubbing on the trees and

883
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 3: taking the bark off of small trees, and then you

884
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 3: get the scrapes, which is what I just described with

885
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 3: the stick that hangs over and they bite in the

886
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 3: chew on that stick, and then they scrape by the

887
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 3: ground the clear of all the leaves, and then you

888
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 3: get this brown open dirt. And so these are like

889
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 3: two different sign posts that you can find and you

890
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 3: see all different areas ones a little bit. I mean,

891
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 3: they're both fairly complicated you think about it, you know,

892
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 3: because you got this this the licking stick that the

893
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 3: stick that hangs down where they lick it and they'll

894
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 3: rub on it, put a scent on it, and then

895
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,720
Speaker 3: they'll scrape below it. And then you've got the rub

896
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 3: areas where they're rubbing their antlers, you know, tearing the

897
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 3: bark on these smaller trees and then putting down a

898
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:55,360
Speaker 3: scent onto those trees. So you got two different types.

899
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:58,359
Speaker 3: And the you know, the difference is there's a lot

900
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 3: of speculation as to why, and there's been you know,

901
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 3: a lot of people who observe, but we really just

902
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:08,240
Speaker 3: don't don't know exactly, you know, what it does, because

903
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 3: the scrape is kind of it's always been thought to

904
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 3: be kind of attracting females, and then the rub would

905
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,879
Speaker 3: be more like, hey, I'm another sign post for the

906
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:19,359
Speaker 3: other males in the area. Well, well, the how long

907
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 3: does the rut? How long does the rut go air last?

908
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 2: Typically? And I know it's different and there's a secondary

909
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 2: rut and YadA YadA a right, right, but how long

910
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 2: will that process? How long is the rut as far

911
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 2: as a hunting situation goes, that it's going to take place.

912
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 3: So the males, it really depends on the hormones within

913
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 3: that male and how and that those hormones that really

914
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 3: depended up on how dominant they are. So because the

915
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 3: dominant males tend to be the first ones who are

916
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:55,800
Speaker 3: kind of ready to go. And you know, classic scenario,

917
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 3: the males are ready to go long before the females are.

918
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 3: And and so they can be in you know, running

919
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 3: condition with a swollen neck and everything, and you know,

920
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 3: single minded and trying to find females for a fairly

921
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 3: long period of time mid October through November into December

922
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 3: and sometimes even into January. And so whereas the females

923
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 3: are going to be receptive for a matter of days

924
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 3: within you know, within that window of time, she's only

925
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 3: gonna be receptive to the males for a short period

926
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 3: of time, but this overlap ensures that all the females

927
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 3: are bred and the population that continues to go. So

928
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 3: it's think of it this way. It's been honed by

929
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 3: thousands of years, tens of thousands of years of you know,

930
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 3: of mating, and it's kind of gotten to a point

931
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:57,240
Speaker 3: where it's really, you know, pretty fool proof and gets

932
00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 3: most of them done. You had made mention about my

933
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:03,399
Speaker 3: second the rut, So there's a pause, if you will,

934
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 3: for a short period of time at the end of

935
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 3: the rut, and then it kind of picks up a

936
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:10,320
Speaker 3: second round where any of the females who didn't get

937
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:13,720
Speaker 3: IMPREGNATETD the first time, well then are back into Estris

938
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 3: again and are are available for breeding. And then those males,

939
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 3: of course, they're still going the whole time, and they

940
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 3: will then find those females and the second go round

941
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:27,959
Speaker 3: for a second chance at breeding. It's interesting too, because

942
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 3: they oftentimes will say that these males will go around,

943
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 3: they won't eat, that they're just you know, they just

944
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 3: they don't eat at all, and they just follow females around.

945
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 3: That is simply not true, because the males are eating

946
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 3: fairly often too. And then the males will also sit

947
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 3: down and after you know, like say, for example, a

948
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 3: morning and chasing females around, they will sit down, chew

949
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 3: their cut. They'll eat, chew their cut, and rest, you know,

950
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 3: for a number of hours before at the end of

951
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 3: the day, getting back up and doing it again in

952
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 3: the evening.

953
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, stand of time, my friend and I gotta stop

954
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 2: and shoot my cut a little bit here.

955
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 3: Julie cud with Bob.

956
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 2: Well, I will thank you, and I will check out

957
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 2: the flying squirrel cam tonight and we will talk again

958
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 2: real soon, my friend, and have a wonder Friday again.

959
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 3: Thank you. Sounds good, and good luck everybody out there

960
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 3: on the deer hunt.

961
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 2: There we go. That's Stan Tequila. He may not shoot himself,

962
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 2: but he loves to consume the wild game. I'm just saying,

963
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 2: we'll take a pause and be back with me right

964
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 2: after this twenty minutes after the hour of seven o'clock.

965
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 2: Fan out to our Saturday.

966
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:56,439
Speaker 3: Come on your way.

967
00:58:56,520 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 2: My name is Billy Hildebrandon. We are Bob Less right now.

968
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 2: He'll join us a little bit later in a few

969
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 2: actually not too distant.

970
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 3: Future, and we'll.

971
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 2: Chat with Bob about that. But I wanted to take

972
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 2: a couple of minutes and reiterate some of the things

973
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 2: and a couple of new things too that we hadn't

974
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 2: really we've talked about, but I think they're really really important.

975
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 2: And when it comes to the Minnesota white tailed deer season,

976
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 2: the firearm season, I have hunted a long time. I

977
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 2: mean I've hunted a lot of deer, and not because

978
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 2: it was a tradition in my family. It's just I

979
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 2: started hunting because I wanted to. I didn't know a

980
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 2: thing about it. I still don't know. I'm learning all

981
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 2: kinds of stuff, but that's why I began. My parents,

982
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 2: my mom, my dad didn't hunt deer. My brother didn't

983
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 2: hunt deer. He did, but I was the one that

984
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 2: wanted to hunt, and I had heard so much about it.

985
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 2: And the adrenaline rush is incredible. I mean, honestly, first

986
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 2: deer I ever saw, I had to put my hand

987
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 2: inside my jacket because I thought it could hear my heart.

988
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 2: It was beating so hard and so loud. In my years,

989
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 2: it was incredible.

990
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 3: But a couple of things.

991
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 2: One I said earlier, the shotgun zone in Minnesota is

992
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 2: still the shotgun zone. You cannot shoot a high powered

993
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 2: or a smooth cartridge smooth metal cartridge shell at white

994
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 2: tails in the shotgun the formerly shotgun zone in mostly

995
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 2: farm country. Okay, you can't do that. There's talk in

996
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 2: the future of perhaps you can, which I am not

997
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 2: in favor of, but not now. You have to shoot

998
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 2: a shotgun slug in the shotgun on zone.

999
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 3: It's pretty clear, isn't it. Yep.

1000
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 2: The other thing is and I mentioned my pet peeve,

1001
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:14,440
Speaker 2: and it's really a serious peeve social media. Don't criticize

1002
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 2: somebody for having a little deer, Okay, don't be critical

1003
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 2: of it, because you have no idea who these people are,

1004
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 2: what they've gone through, how important that deer is to

1005
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 2: them and their success. So please don't shame them. Don't

1006
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 2: even begin to do that. If you're going to say anything,

1007
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:40,640
Speaker 2: congratulate them, okay, as you just don't know. You don't

1008
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 2: walk in their shoes, so you've got no idea, all right. Thirdly,

1009
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 2: the thing that we haven't talked about that's crucial to

1010
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 2: chronic wasting disease in Minnesota, chronic wasting disease, and.

1011
01:01:56,320 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 3: There are some dpa's Yep.

1012
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 2: Those are the zones that people hunt the different places.

1013
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 2: They're called DPAs dear permit areas, so a number of

1014
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 2: those have been identified as CWD zones. You can hunt

1015
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 2: in those areas. But this weekend, today and tomorrow, any

1016
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:31,000
Speaker 2: deer taken in a chronic wasting disease zone must by

1017
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 2: law be sampled by a member of the Department of

1018
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 2: Natural Resources. Has to be sampled. They taken a gland

1019
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 2: from the animal, send it in and hopefully we won't

1020
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:56,439
Speaker 2: find anymore CWD outside of that zone, and we're going

1021
01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 2: to get less and less. That's why there is a

1022
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 2: push to lessen the population numbers, because there's a tendency

1023
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:09,680
Speaker 2: when there's a lot of deer in an area that

1024
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 2: they will rub noses or share and pick up preons,

1025
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 2: which is what passes cwdon from one animal to another.

1026
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 2: So any deer taken in a chronic wasting disease zone,

1027
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 2: and if you don't know that it is or not,

1028
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 2: you've got to check the DNR's website or the hunting

1029
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 2: synopsis to find out where they are. Because if you

1030
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 2: take a deer, it has to be sampled, and it

1031
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 2: has to be de boned. The backbone cannot follow that deer.

1032
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:51,120
Speaker 2: You have to debone the animal and you can dispose

1033
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:56,200
Speaker 2: of it at waste dumpsters that are provided in that

1034
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:59,440
Speaker 2: area where it's sampled. And they also, I think they'll

1035
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 2: have tens or something that you can actually cut the deer.

1036
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 2: So you're taking the legs off, you're taking the backstraps off,

1037
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 2: you're leaving the backbone. And if it's a trophy animal,

1038
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:16,480
Speaker 2: you can take the head but you have to take

1039
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 2: it to a taxidermist right away, all right. So that's

1040
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:24,600
Speaker 2: just a couple of things I wanted to bring up.

1041
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:25,400
Speaker 3: Now.

1042
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:28,040
Speaker 2: The other thing is hunters.

1043
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:29,120
Speaker 3: That's you.

1044
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 2: If you've got to sling over your shoulder right now

1045
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:37,760
Speaker 2: and you're carrying a rifled slug or a high powered rifle,

1046
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 2: or you're sitting into your deer stand listening to this

1047
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 2: right now through your earbuds, might not be a good idea,

1048
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 2: because deer here more than we think. But anyway, hunters

1049
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:55,480
Speaker 2: play a real valuable role in the management of the

1050
01:04:55,520 --> 01:05:01,680
Speaker 2: population of white tails in Minnesota, huge role. In fact,

1051
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 2: they play the most important role. That's why in some

1052
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 2: areas you can take only a buck. Sometimes you can

1053
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 2: take a buck and a dough, or you can take

1054
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:17,440
Speaker 2: an analyst deer by permit only by a lottery permit

1055
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 2: that's drawn. Or you can take a buck and an

1056
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:27,640
Speaker 2: additional dough, or you can take two doughs, depending on where,

1057
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 2: up to five, but you have to have tags for

1058
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 2: each of the ant lists deer. Minnesota is a one

1059
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 2: buck state. You get one buck per year in Minnesota,

1060
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:45,200
Speaker 2: and that means if you're an archer, if you're an

1061
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:49,640
Speaker 2: archery hunter, you can take one buck with bow and

1062
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:54,640
Speaker 2: arrow or a crossbow and that's all. You can't take

1063
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 2: one with a bow and arrow or a crossbow and

1064
01:05:57,120 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 2: one with a firearm. That's two bucks.

1065
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 3: You can do that.

1066
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 2: Minnesota is a one buck state. So you pick your

1067
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:12,840
Speaker 2: animal and I wish you success, I really really do.

1068
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:19,800
Speaker 2: And then again, you can't transport a whole animal out

1069
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 2: of a chronic wasting disease zone.

1070
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 3: It has to be d bone and.

1071
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 2: Take the meat, put it into a cooler, take it

1072
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 2: wherever you're going to take it, because then you can

1073
01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:37,080
Speaker 2: drive wherever you want with it. The leg bone can

1074
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 2: be in it. The backbone, which holds the spinal fluid,

1075
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:44,320
Speaker 2: cannot leave the zone.

1076
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 3: And you know why that is, don't you.

1077
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 2: That's right, because we don't want to pass that disease

1078
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 2: onto disease free deer or in a zone that may

1079
01:06:57,040 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 2: not have it. Don't take that animal and check it

1080
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:01,960
Speaker 2: out in the back forty or dump it off at

1081
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:06,160
Speaker 2: a ditch. That's stupid. You've got to dispose of that animal,

1082
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 2: and you can. You can take it and have it

1083
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:20,000
Speaker 2: processed at a locker plant. And the trimmings. I like trimmings.

1084
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:23,360
Speaker 2: In fact, we all my trimmings. And this is just me.

1085
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:26,720
Speaker 2: Everybody's usually got their own favorite place to go that

1086
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:30,600
Speaker 2: they enjoy what they have made. It's expensive. But like

1087
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:33,920
Speaker 2: Eric and he was coworkers from the DNR, they have

1088
01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:36,760
Speaker 2: what they call a sausage fest once a year and

1089
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:40,480
Speaker 2: they take and put all their trim together and then

1090
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 2: they get a whole group of people, men and women,

1091
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:46,200
Speaker 2: and make their own sausages and then split it all up.

1092
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:52,200
Speaker 2: I take mine to a place just west of Alec

1093
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:58,240
Speaker 2: Garfield Garfield Smokehouse, and I've learned that they have they'd

1094
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:03,320
Speaker 2: make an excellent summer sausage and they do some really

1095
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:09,240
Speaker 2: really nice work. They make some excellent sausages also, So

1096
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:12,600
Speaker 2: that's just me. But the hunters play a valuable role,

1097
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:18,519
Speaker 2: and that's crucial. I think now with there's one more

1098
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:22,360
Speaker 2: thing that we can touch on too. Andy Try is

1099
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 2: the bear expert in Minnesota. He's been on the radio

1100
01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:29,040
Speaker 2: with us a number of times. In fact, he extended

1101
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:34,640
Speaker 2: an invitation to go into a bear den sometime, and

1102
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:38,400
Speaker 2: I think I would like to do that. I know

1103
01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:42,080
Speaker 2: it would be safe. It's just a little unnerving to

1104
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:47,160
Speaker 2: crawl into a den with a bear. But if you're

1105
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:55,280
Speaker 2: hunting in the Brainerd Lakes area, if you're hunting around

1106
01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:59,160
Speaker 2: the Grand Rapids area, and if you're hunting around the

1107
01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:03,760
Speaker 2: Duluth area, and in your deer hunting travels, you come

1108
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 2: across a bear den, make note of that because if

1109
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:12,240
Speaker 2: you've had a GPS, put a waypoint on it or

1110
01:09:12,320 --> 01:09:15,240
Speaker 2: drop a pin on it and share that. There's a

1111
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:21,479
Speaker 2: number you can call to report bear sightings and bear dens,

1112
01:09:22,320 --> 01:09:27,080
Speaker 2: because Andy and his coworkers would like to collar the

1113
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:32,160
Speaker 2: bears that are in their hibernated state so that they

1114
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 2: can get a full.

1115
01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:35,120
Speaker 3: Year's worth of research out of that.

1116
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:40,639
Speaker 2: And the collars pretty pretty fabulous callers.

1117
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:41,800
Speaker 3: But they will.

1118
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:46,400
Speaker 2: Track them and you can download where they've been, you

1119
01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 2: can watch them. As Eric called it on the air,

1120
01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:53,240
Speaker 2: a number of them are on the air, and if

1121
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:57,360
Speaker 2: they die or something happens to the animal, they will

1122
01:09:57,400 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 2: send out a death text from the collar to the

1123
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:07,320
Speaker 2: person watching it and then they can go retrieve the

1124
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:11,439
Speaker 2: collar find out what's happened to the bear. Sometimes the

1125
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:16,800
Speaker 2: callers actually fall off or they aren't working properly, but

1126
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:22,479
Speaker 2: that's it's important. So if you can find if you

1127
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:27,799
Speaker 2: do find and notice a bear den in the Braidard Lakes,

1128
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 2: Grand Rapids and the Looth area, make note of the

1129
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:35,080
Speaker 2: location and share that there's a number you can call

1130
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:39,880
Speaker 2: and find it on the DNR's website and go and

1131
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:44,160
Speaker 2: check it out. Andy Try is the research specialist for

1132
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 2: the Minnesota DNR, and he would welcome information that hunters

1133
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:54,320
Speaker 2: can provide for you. All right, Well that's about it

1134
01:10:54,439 --> 01:10:57,439
Speaker 2: for me. I'm I think I'm going to hunt this

1135
01:10:57,560 --> 01:11:02,080
Speaker 2: year with Eric and Chad and hunt muzzleoder at least

1136
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:06,559
Speaker 2: I'm hoping to. No matter what happens, I know that

1137
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:10,720
Speaker 2: I will be helping them clean deer. That's kind of

1138
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:14,080
Speaker 2: gotten to be my role as dad, and I don't mind.

1139
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:14,400
Speaker 3: That at all.

1140
01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:22,640
Speaker 2: We have always cut up scun and cut up our

1141
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:25,439
Speaker 2: own deer for a lot of years as long in fact,

1142
01:11:25,479 --> 01:11:28,639
Speaker 2: I don't think it's ever been taken to a locker

1143
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 2: plant or has somebody else do it for us. We've

1144
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:36,880
Speaker 2: always done it ourselves. Sometimes it's a little difficult, but

1145
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 2: at least then we know that we're getting our own venison.

1146
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:44,400
Speaker 2: And the way we take care of it, I think

1147
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:49,120
Speaker 2: is important, and at least to us it is because

1148
01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:51,920
Speaker 2: we know what's happened and what hasn't happened to it.

1149
01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:55,519
Speaker 2: We know the shot and where the shot was placed.

1150
01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:59,200
Speaker 2: We don't keep any bloody meat that's all discuted discarded,

1151
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:02,840
Speaker 2: and the trim we can clean it out is clean

1152
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:07,760
Speaker 2: and be as persnicty, as careful.

1153
01:12:07,439 --> 01:12:08,680
Speaker 3: As we choose to be.

1154
01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:12,800
Speaker 2: And I know that that makes a difference in the

1155
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:19,000
Speaker 2: venison because it's wonderful, wonderful meat and a great source

1156
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:22,000
Speaker 2: of protein. For those people that don't care for it,

1157
01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:26,800
Speaker 2: that's your choice. But if you stop and think about

1158
01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:32,840
Speaker 2: the value of it and how you talk about organic,

1159
01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:37,559
Speaker 2: there is nothing more organic than a white tail deer

1160
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:39,519
Speaker 2: as far as consumption goes.

1161
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:42,080
Speaker 3: So we'll leave.

1162
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:44,800
Speaker 2: It at that, and one of these times we'll talk

1163
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:50,160
Speaker 2: about deep frying turkeys too. A love that domestic turkeys,

1164
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:54,519
Speaker 2: and I'm going to be cooking our family turkey this year,

1165
01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:56,520
Speaker 2: deep frying it.

1166
01:12:56,520 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 3: It's so good. I'm just telling you.

1167
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:02,920
Speaker 2: It's so east easy telling you that too. But we'll

1168
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:05,960
Speaker 2: talk about that another time. Right now, we're going to

1169
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:08,559
Speaker 2: take our final break of the morning, and we'll come

1170
01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:13,080
Speaker 2: back and hopefully join mister by Bob st. Pierre from

1171
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:47,080
Speaker 2: the up of Michigan after this, well, last segment for

1172
01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:49,680
Speaker 2: this Saturday Morning a fan outdoors. Keep it right here

1173
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:54,719
Speaker 2: though on the fan. Okay, it's all good, everybody. Every

1174
01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:57,640
Speaker 2: show on this station is really fun to listen to.

1175
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:01,760
Speaker 2: We're glad you're with us, but I know everybody is.

1176
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 2: They don't have the same interests that I have and

1177
01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:09,080
Speaker 2: that we have. Okay, but for those of you that

1178
01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:11,800
Speaker 2: follow along with us from week to week, I appreciate

1179
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:15,080
Speaker 2: it a great deal. Well, there's a man in the

1180
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:19,000
Speaker 2: wings here waiting that doesn't follow along with us from

1181
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:21,160
Speaker 2: week to week. He's just off on his doing his

1182
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:25,800
Speaker 2: own thing. And I guess that's okay. Right now he's

1183
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:32,320
Speaker 2: swung all the way over to parts unknown. I think

1184
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:35,880
Speaker 2: I'm not so sure, but Bob Saint Pierre, I believe

1185
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:40,880
Speaker 2: joins us now. I'm not so sure though, And pretty quiet.

1186
01:14:44,479 --> 01:14:48,240
Speaker 5: I'm traveling across all the states that begin with the

1187
01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:49,000
Speaker 5: letter M.

1188
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:50,120
Speaker 3: This week an.

1189
01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:55,960
Speaker 5: Ben in Missouri, be back home in Minnesota, and now

1190
01:14:56,000 --> 01:15:02,200
Speaker 5: I'm in Michigan. We'll see about Maryland Massachusetts later in

1191
01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:05,280
Speaker 5: the week, but right now I'm at home my old

1192
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:06,799
Speaker 5: stomping grounds in Michigan.

1193
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:08,479
Speaker 3: Oh, that's cool. How's mom and dad?

1194
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:15,160
Speaker 5: They're doing well, they're doing It's much like I believe

1195
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:21,080
Speaker 5: back in Minnesota. The weather is changing dramatically. The temperatures

1196
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:22,000
Speaker 5: are falling.

1197
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:24,160
Speaker 3: Prediction cold.

1198
01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:30,600
Speaker 5: It's cold. And so my hometown is Escanaba, which is

1199
01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:35,639
Speaker 5: on the Lake Michigan side of the Upper Peninsula, often

1200
01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:41,080
Speaker 5: called the Banana Belt because Lake Michigan keeps the air

1201
01:15:41,160 --> 01:15:46,519
Speaker 5: temperature cool or warmer, warmer compared to Lake Superior. And

1202
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:48,679
Speaker 5: I just looked at the weather. There is a prediction

1203
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:53,160
Speaker 5: of up to eight inches of snow in the forecast

1204
01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:59,639
Speaker 5: along the Lake Superior shoreline tomorrow night. So winter as

1205
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:01,439
Speaker 5: they day is coming.

1206
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:04,639
Speaker 2: Well, you've got time to get up there, don't you,

1207
01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:06,400
Speaker 2: so you can roll around in the snow.

1208
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:12,000
Speaker 5: I was actually thinking about grouse hutting in that direction tomorrow,

1209
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:17,719
Speaker 5: but it might be overnight tomorrow that the snow hits.

1210
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:24,000
Speaker 5: But yeah, the temperatures are dramatic change from only a

1211
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:24,519
Speaker 5: week ago.

1212
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:26,720
Speaker 2: I hate it, man, already, I hate it.

1213
01:16:30,479 --> 01:16:35,519
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's it's startling to the system, that's for sure.

1214
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:36,720
Speaker 5: The blood is a little thin.

1215
01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:39,240
Speaker 3: Boy, you hit that nail on the head.

1216
01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:45,120
Speaker 2: My blood must be like running water because I to

1217
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:46,360
Speaker 2: spend most of my day.

1218
01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:52,160
Speaker 3: So how have your travels been?

1219
01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:57,200
Speaker 5: It was good. So I was in Missouri last weekend.

1220
01:16:57,320 --> 01:17:04,360
Speaker 5: It was gorgeous weather sick degrees it started off so

1221
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:09,719
Speaker 5: Saturday morning was the opener for quail and pheasants in Missouri,

1222
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:14,880
Speaker 5: and the first two hours were fabulous. There were birds everywhere,

1223
01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:16,760
Speaker 5: and then I never saw a bird the rest of

1224
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:21,360
Speaker 5: the weekend. So it's going to take a little creative

1225
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:24,920
Speaker 5: writing to make an opening day episode number three to

1226
01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:30,080
Speaker 5: come together. But you know that that film series is

1227
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:32,920
Speaker 5: not about stacking up birds on a tailgate. It's a

1228
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:37,439
Speaker 5: It's something deeper. So there's a good story to be

1229
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:41,640
Speaker 5: told there with a family of quail biologists, and I

1230
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:45,080
Speaker 5: learned a whole heck of a lot about habitat management

1231
01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:49,439
Speaker 5: for quail in Missouri last week. Smooth trip home Sunday night.

1232
01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:53,599
Speaker 5: That was in the office all week until about two

1233
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:57,760
Speaker 5: o'clock yesterday, and made the seven hour drive last night

1234
01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:03,080
Speaker 5: the Upper Peninsula and that was that was smooth. A

1235
01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:09,720
Speaker 5: couple of deers threatened the smoothness. There were definitely bucks

1236
01:18:09,880 --> 01:18:14,559
Speaker 5: on the move after sunset last night, but made it

1237
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:18,840
Speaker 5: home without incident. And I'm gonna have a little breakfast

1238
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:20,960
Speaker 5: after you and I chat, and then I'm gonna go

1239
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:24,519
Speaker 5: see if i can get my first Upper Peninsula grouse

1240
01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:29,040
Speaker 5: of twenty twenty five behind my puffs today.

1241
01:18:29,479 --> 01:18:31,920
Speaker 2: You have you hunted grouse there yet this year?

1242
01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:36,120
Speaker 5: No, this is my first trip home to the Up.

1243
01:18:36,720 --> 01:18:41,400
Speaker 5: It's actually my first trip since last September, so it's

1244
01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:44,080
Speaker 5: been a full more than a year since I've been home.

1245
01:18:44,240 --> 01:18:45,800
Speaker 3: Oh, how's Georgie.

1246
01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:51,080
Speaker 5: George? Georgie is doing good. Georgie is nine years old

1247
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:58,040
Speaker 5: and she enjoys playing with my pump winter and Georgie

1248
01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:01,320
Speaker 5: enjoys that more than being chased by kyotes, which my

1249
01:19:01,439 --> 01:19:06,800
Speaker 5: dad was telling me about her evasiveness. On three incidents

1250
01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:09,960
Speaker 5: this summer, she was chased out of the woods by

1251
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:13,840
Speaker 5: a coyote. I must have had a den with some

1252
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:19,040
Speaker 5: pops near near my family's kind of where my dad

1253
01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:22,960
Speaker 5: walks her on a daily basis, but no incident. Oh good,

1254
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:27,880
Speaker 5: she's doing fine. But yeah, she's she's nine and the

1255
01:19:28,240 --> 01:19:29,759
Speaker 5: apple of my parents eye.

1256
01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:34,600
Speaker 2: Well, she's a pretty special little dog. And she's for

1257
01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:37,559
Speaker 2: people who don't know. Georgie is one.

1258
01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:39,600
Speaker 3: Of my Snapdog's puppies.

1259
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:47,000
Speaker 2: And she's uh and I lost Snap last Saint Patrick's Day.

1260
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:50,720
Speaker 2: So yeah, we hope that, We hope Georgie has a

1261
01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:56,720
Speaker 2: long and fruitful life. And just she's.

1262
01:19:56,520 --> 01:19:58,720
Speaker 5: The center of this little house in the up.

1263
01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:00,679
Speaker 3: That's good, that's good.

1264
01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:07,720
Speaker 2: With your quail exploits, you said, yeah, it was just

1265
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:13,000
Speaker 2: a couple of hours of busy, busy, Yeah.

1266
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:16,240
Speaker 5: The first two hours of the morning. And it's interesting.

1267
01:20:16,280 --> 01:20:22,679
Speaker 5: We were at our spot much like Minnesota pheasant Opener.

1268
01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:26,599
Speaker 5: We were at our spot public land, about an hour

1269
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:31,160
Speaker 5: and a half before shooting hours, just to make sure

1270
01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:33,800
Speaker 5: we got to where we wanted to be. And the

1271
01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:37,559
Speaker 5: interesting thing about quail, with the hunting quail, with these

1272
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:40,479
Speaker 5: biologists is they you know, they spend a lot of

1273
01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:45,719
Speaker 5: time listening for the quail whistle as the sun gets

1274
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:49,080
Speaker 5: the horizon in the morning, so you can sort of

1275
01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:53,080
Speaker 5: identify how many quail covees are on a piece of

1276
01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:58,479
Speaker 5: property in their general location. And also much like any

1277
01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:01,000
Speaker 5: sort of bird hunting, you know where you hear the

1278
01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:03,920
Speaker 5: sound and then you start to go and look for it.

1279
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:06,880
Speaker 5: When you get shotguns in your hand, you can't never

1280
01:21:06,920 --> 01:21:11,960
Speaker 5: find them, you know. You know, well, I thought I

1281
01:21:12,040 --> 01:21:15,600
Speaker 5: heard him over here, and uh, you know, that was

1282
01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:19,200
Speaker 5: maybe a half hour agoing there nowhere to be found. Uh,

1283
01:21:19,240 --> 01:21:22,960
Speaker 5: But we the first two hours of a shooting light

1284
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Speaker 5: significantly more pheasants than I anticipated. In Missouri, I shot

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Speaker 5: a I shot a rooster about an hour in missed rooster,

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Speaker 5: missed a couple of copies of quail, you know, and

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Speaker 5: and we got a we got a quail too, But

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Speaker 5: we had we had pretty good action right out of

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Speaker 5: the gates. And then just then it became a nature hike,

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Speaker 5: which was interesting, but it was it was fun. It

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Speaker 5: was it was beautiful country and terrific people, and it

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Speaker 5: was a lot of fun.

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Speaker 2: I'm surprised, I guess I didn't realize that coil must

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Speaker 2: go quite a ways when they flush them.

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Speaker 5: They don't, they don't, but they you know, they they

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Speaker 5: start off as a group of you know, maybe eleven

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Speaker 5: in a covey, and then they disperse into singles, and boy,

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Speaker 5: they're hard to track down as singles. You know, they

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Speaker 5: kind of sit and they fly off, they don't fly

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Speaker 5: that far, and they sort of hold and then after

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Speaker 5: a period of time, maybe an hour, they call back

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Speaker 5: to each other to regroup as a covey. And it's

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Speaker 5: somewhat unethical to kind of, you know, try try to

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Speaker 5: you know, go back to that exact same place in

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01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:51,560
Speaker 5: an hour and you know, hunt them as they're regrouping,

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01:22:52,040 --> 01:22:54,599
Speaker 5: you know, as a family group, and so you kind

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Speaker 5: of just move on. You can hunt up singles for

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Speaker 5: a little bit, but you don't want to kind of

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Speaker 5: take out an entire group. Even if that was easy

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Speaker 5: to do, it's not. But yeah, it's a it's a

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Speaker 5: very I don't ethically based gentlemanly bird hunts.

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Speaker 2: Are there a lot of people that hunt quail down

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Speaker 2: in Missouri?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but like a lot of bird hunting traditions that

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Speaker 5: those numbers are diminishing, partly because numbers have been decreasing

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Speaker 5: and habitat has been decreasing. Missouri, though, is a little

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01:23:36,240 --> 01:23:41,040
Speaker 5: bit of an anomaly. Their habitat numbers and their bird

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01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:44,960
Speaker 5: numbers are increasing. It's a state that's doing a lot

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01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:49,559
Speaker 5: of good things to reverse the quailed declines. It's not

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Speaker 5: like a rocket ship of improvement, but it's it's one

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Speaker 5: of the states that has dramatic work being done on

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01:23:58,640 --> 01:24:02,280
Speaker 5: the landscape, both on public and private lands to go

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Speaker 5: quail numbers back up. I often equate Missouri for quail forever.

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Speaker 5: Missouri is what a Pheasants forever is in Minnesota. You know,

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Speaker 5: we we have just a tremendous amount of activity Pheasants

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Speaker 5: Forever in the state of Minnesota. It makes sense. We're

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Speaker 5: founded in Saint Paul and based in Saint Paul. We have,

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Speaker 5: you know, a lot of terrific relationship with the d

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Speaker 5: n R and US Fish and Wildlife Service in the

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Speaker 5: state of Minnesota. And there's a lot of parallels with

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Speaker 5: the Missouri Missouri Department of Conservation and Department of Agriculture.

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Speaker 5: And we have a lot of work both public land acquisition,

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Speaker 5: public restoration, as well as private land consultation with our

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Speaker 5: farm bill biologists in the state of Missouri. So there's

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Speaker 5: there's some really neat things happening in that state. And

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Speaker 5: we've done a couple of land acquisitions there in the

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Speaker 5: last couple of years, and that was one of the

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Speaker 5: points of our bio. I just never thought we were

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Speaker 5: going to be able to do that in Missouri, and

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01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:06,800
Speaker 5: now we got, you know, not just one, but there's three,

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01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:11,520
Speaker 5: four of them happening where there's big complexes of places

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01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:15,240
Speaker 5: to go bird hunting and deer hunting and duck hunting,

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Speaker 5: and so that was part of the story too. Just

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Speaker 5: a beautiful, beautiful property we hunted on Sunday morning.

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Speaker 2: Bob, I thank you for checking in with us, buddy,

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01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:27,360
Speaker 2: and I wish you success today and be sure to

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01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:30,080
Speaker 2: say hi to mom and dad and give Georgie a

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01:25:30,120 --> 01:25:31,400
Speaker 2: scratch for me, will you please?

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Speaker 5: I will do thanks step to having great weekend and

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Speaker 5: you too.

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Speaker 2: That's Bob Saint Pierre, a phesist forever and normally the

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Speaker 2: co host of Fan Outdoors. We got to turn the

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Speaker 2: reins over to end the zone, and I see Davey

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Speaker 2: sinecon Is with Brett brak Moore, our producer right now.

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Speaker 2: We will say thank you to stand Tequila, thank you

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Speaker 2: for allowing us to travel with you.

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Speaker 3: I'll leave you with Tata