Speaker 1: All right, back with Eddie and Rocky and Rocky we're
Speaker 1: heating up all over the world in this great country
Speaker 1: of Iran.
Speaker 2: Yes, and obviously a lot going on here in America,
Speaker 2: you know, ice protests and all that sort of nonsense,
Speaker 2: But from a global standpoint, there is a potential revolution
Speaker 2: going on in Iran, and even today Iranians are on
Speaker 2: the streets, you know, fighting back against the you know,
Speaker 2: the Islamic state that's that controls the country right now,
Speaker 2: and there's the potential for that government to get ever
Speaker 2: thrown And it's kind of a mint a minute thing here,
Speaker 2: but certainly big news.
Speaker 1: He is an associate professor of polyscience political science at U.
Speaker 3: See.
Speaker 1: He's been with us many times, but it's been a while,
Speaker 1: doctor Brenda Green. Welcome back to the program.
Speaker 4: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: So, doctor Green, what exactly are we looking at there?
Speaker 1: The last body and this is sad to say, this
Speaker 1: is the last body count I saw, and it was
Speaker 1: earlier in the day. It was over twenty five hundred
Speaker 1: protesters were been basically murdered by the regime over there.
Speaker 4: That's right. I think that we don't have firm body
Speaker 4: counts because it's just really hard to get information out
Speaker 4: of Iran right now, but I've seen estimates ranging from
Speaker 4: twenty five hundred to thirty five hundred, so we're talking
Speaker 4: in the thousands, and those could be at least a
Speaker 4: little bit low.
Speaker 2: So Iran was i almost to say, a free state
Speaker 2: until nineteen seventy nine, but that's when you know, the
Speaker 2: Islamics they took over, right, So they've been under that
Speaker 2: rule for a long time. What has sparked this revolution?
Speaker 2: Why now? Why is this the time when the Iranian
Speaker 2: people are saying enough is enough?
Speaker 4: Well, there have been a series of protests in Iran
Speaker 4: dating back to the late nineties for a bunch of
Speaker 4: different reasons, but in recent times it's been the dramatic
Speaker 4: economic collapse within Iran, and so these protests picked off
Speaker 4: in December because the value of the Iranian currency against
Speaker 4: the dollar plummeted, while at the same time they had
Speaker 4: an inflation that made our recent inflation, you know, look
Speaker 4: like a piper. So everybody in Iran is getting squeezed
Speaker 4: very hard economically, and so that's what set it off.
Speaker 4: But there's been long running dissatisfaction with the regime and
Speaker 4: Iranian society, and so the movement has kind of transformed
Speaker 4: from an economic protest into a broader kind of anti
Speaker 4: regime movement.
Speaker 1: Well, and we're talking to doctor Brendan Green from uc And,
Speaker 1: and Brendan, weren't they at some stage of the game.
Speaker 1: It seems to me, maybe I'm thinking of a Rack
Speaker 1: or another country, but it seems to me Iran for
Speaker 1: a little bit there kind of became westernized and you know,
Speaker 1: women could actually, you know, be in public and wear
Speaker 1: skirts and all that stuff. But am I wrong? There
Speaker 1: was that Iraq or was that Iran? I don't know,
Speaker 1: but I just remember one of those one of those
Speaker 1: Muslim countries became that way and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: they're cracking down.
Speaker 4: Well, the broader trend is that Muslim societies in general
Speaker 4: have become a lot more conservative over the past four
Speaker 4: to five decades. And so you referenced the earlier ruler
Speaker 4: of Iran, who was the Shah, who was the kind
Speaker 4: of king right and he was very secular, and Iran
Speaker 4: was very secular at the time. Ever since the revolution
Speaker 4: took over, there have been kind of a series of
Speaker 4: conservative versus I don't want to call them liberal, but
Speaker 4: let's just say a little bit more moderate rulers that
Speaker 4: alternate under the mulahs, and the more moderate rulers tend
Speaker 4: to have less strictness towards some of Islamic law in
Speaker 4: forcing it on people. But when the more conservative rulers
Speaker 4: get in charge, they tend to crack down. And so,
Speaker 4: you know, I think in the early two thousands, right,
Speaker 4: there was a time when it was probably less strict,
Speaker 4: and maybe in the early twenty ten, but you know,
Speaker 4: since then it's been quite strict. Indeed, and there was
Speaker 4: a whole round of protests over there in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2: So when you're talking about an uprising by the people,
Speaker 2: that's always a hard thing because in this case, the
Speaker 2: Iranian government they have the money, they have the better equipment,
Speaker 2: they have the money to buy the bombs and all
Speaker 2: the bullets and all that. What sort of chances does
Speaker 2: do the Iranian people who are rebelling, What kind of
Speaker 2: chances do they have without America jumping in full force,
Speaker 2: without Israel jumping in for full force, and maybe other countries.
Speaker 4: I think in the short term, very little chances. You know,
Speaker 4: the Iranian regime does not have a problem shooting protesters,
Speaker 4: and I expect you going to continue shooting protesters until
Speaker 4: the protests stop. I think that if either Iran or
Speaker 4: the United States intervened, they might cause some damage to
Speaker 4: things that the regime values. But unless they're willing to
Speaker 4: invade with ground forces, they can't stop the regime from
Speaker 4: shooting protesters. And I don't think either state is willing
Speaker 4: to do that.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you do not think that Israel is going
Speaker 2: to jump in with ground forces here.
Speaker 4: Not with ground forces. They might assassinate some people, they
Speaker 4: might bomb military targets or stuff that they're worried about,
Speaker 4: but no one. Everyone, I think has learned the lesson
Speaker 4: of Iraq and Afghanistan, which is trying to dominate one
Speaker 4: of these Middle Eastern countries far away in a place
Speaker 4: you don't understand and don't know how to rule, is
Speaker 4: just a really tough ticket, and no one wants to
Speaker 4: do it anymore.
Speaker 1: We're talking to doctor Brendan Green from UC and DON.
Speaker 1: One of the things I saw is that iranaz is
Speaker 1: saying that if the United States would indeed to intervene
Speaker 1: in here and probably and obviously not boots on the ground,
Speaker 1: but you know, selective bombing here and there, that they
Speaker 1: might bomb American bases in other countries. Do you think
Speaker 1: that's a possibility or is that just going to bring
Speaker 1: hell fire on them?
Speaker 4: Well? I think that if the United States or Israel
Speaker 4: attacks Iran from the air, that Iran will certainly respond
Speaker 4: against American and Israeli targets in the region. Earlier today,
Speaker 4: there was a report that the United States has already
Speaker 4: started to pool troops out of alu Daide Air Base
Speaker 4: and Guitar, which is one of our major air bases there,
Speaker 4: potentially in preparation for a strike if the President decides
Speaker 4: to order it. So if you go back to the
Speaker 4: Twelve Day War six months ago, right, you saw lots
Speaker 4: of this, which is that the Israelis hit Iran, the
Speaker 4: US hit Iran, and Iran hit back. So if the
Speaker 4: United States or Israel decides to go down this route,
Speaker 4: I definitely expect American targets in the region to get hit.
Speaker 2: I saw State TV they broadcast a picture of Trump
Speaker 2: at the Butler rally after he was shot uh and
Speaker 2: put the words quote this time it won't miss, which
Speaker 2: is I mean, that's an assassination threat to the president.
Speaker 2: How does America respond to that?
Speaker 4: Well, you know, I think that there was an assassination
Speaker 4: plot by the raniums that was uncovered during the election,
Speaker 4: you know, And so I accept that there will be
Speaker 4: consequences for Iran to this kind of behavior. I just
Speaker 4: don't know that they're going to be at the level
Speaker 4: of the kind of thing that could change the regime, right,
Speaker 4: but but it certainly won't be costless if Iran keeps
Speaker 4: doing this kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: What sort of state is I state?
Speaker 3: Where?
Speaker 2: Where where as I ran right now with you know,
Speaker 2: was it June of last year?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: The United States bomb three nuclear facilities? Is that crippled
Speaker 2: them a little bit a lot? Where are we at?
Speaker 4: It's very hard to tell. But what I can say
Speaker 4: for sure is that no information has leaked out about
Speaker 4: the Iranian program re starting, so it at least appears
Speaker 4: that things have been frozen since that attack. But it's
Speaker 4: really just hard to say for sure. You know, it
Speaker 4: could be that the intelligence community is just keeping very
Speaker 4: tight whatever information they have, But for now, most most
Speaker 4: reports seem to indicate that not much is going on.
Speaker 1: Doctor Brennan Green from you see one last question for me,
Speaker 1: rubbing your crystal ball, What do you see happening here
Speaker 1: in the next I don't know, six eight, nine months,
Speaker 1: do we bomb them into submission and stop the slaughter
Speaker 1: of these dissidents or does that go on?
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 4: I think that the Iranian regime will keep shooting until
Speaker 4: the protesters stopped, probably, But the bigger chance for changes
Speaker 4: the Iyatola is old. There will be a leadership transition
Speaker 4: at some point. The Iranian economy is posed, and that's
Speaker 4: for a lot of reasons. But one of the big
Speaker 4: reasons is that their foreign policy is bankrupt UH. And
Speaker 4: so if they agreed to permanently disable their nuclear program
Speaker 4: with monitoring, if they agreed to restrict their ballistic mythiles
Speaker 4: and their you know, giving mythyls to proxies, then the
Speaker 4: sanctions might get removed on the regime and things might
Speaker 4: improve for the Iranian people. So I think that's the
Speaker 4: optimistic scenario, you know, in the next near to medium
Speaker 4: perm is that when ultimately the person at the very
Speaker 4: top of the regime changes, there's at least an opportunity
Speaker 4: for some kind of change that that would benefit the
Speaker 4: Iranian people. But bottom line, it's very hard to change
Speaker 4: a regime like this UH. And that means that they
Speaker 4: tend to stick around.
Speaker 2: Well, well, yeah, and if you know, they get rid
Speaker 2: of the iotolary steps sound someone right exactly the same
Speaker 2: is gonna gonna come in.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: They're not all of a sudden to say, you know what, protesters, Yeah,
Speaker 2: we get it, We're fine, we're going to change. It's
Speaker 2: a Islamic terrorist state, and they're going to put someone
Speaker 2: in charge that is of the same.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, the whole has to be for a situation
Speaker 4: like the Soviet Union, which was run by a series
Speaker 4: of brutal dictators until Gorbachev got in charge. And Gorbachev
Speaker 4: was no beautiful democrat, but he had a lot of
Speaker 4: ideas about changing the Soviet Union, and his coming the
Speaker 4: power eventually led to the fall of that regime. I
Speaker 4: don't think that's terribly likely though, just like you say,
Speaker 4: I expect most of the people who might end up
Speaker 4: in charge of Iran are going to have pretty similar
Speaker 4: views to the people who are there now, and so
Speaker 4: it's not a very happy situation looking forward.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: With that, Doctor Brendan Green, we will let you go.
Speaker 1: Always a pleasure, sir, Thank you so much.
Speaker 4: The pleasure is mine, gentlemen, Doc.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Eddie and Rocky. All right, here we go
Speaker 2: on this day in history, January fourteenth, nineteen fifty four.
Speaker 2: And I believe they seg broke in during Willie's show
Speaker 2: when this news broke in nineteen fifty four, Marilyn Monroe
Speaker 2: marries Joe Dumagio. Ah, yeah, and what a wonderful I
Speaker 2: think it was two hundred and seventy two hundred and
Speaker 2: seventy four days it was. It's all lasted.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, he was apparently really nutty. Well, and you
Speaker 1: marry Look, if you're going to marry a nutty chick,
Speaker 1: you gotta you know you're marrying a nutty chick, right,
Speaker 1: But she was beautiful. She was beautiful, and apparently she
Speaker 1: was a very smart woman. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: ever read that. I've read that He's quite smart. Yeah,
Speaker 1: kind of dunk herself down, but right for her for
Speaker 1: her role. But yeah, very smart. But Demaggio was apparently
Speaker 1: really jealous. Oh look, dude, you you're getting jealous.
Speaker 2: Tighed you can't marry the like literally.
Speaker 1: The woman that every guy the one face of the
Speaker 1: planet is, that's her. Yeah, and you married her and
Speaker 1: then you get jealous. Guess what's gonna happen? I never understood,
Speaker 1: especially if you're Joe. Imagine you like, who's she going
Speaker 1: to leave you for? Like you're the most famous baseball player,
Speaker 1: movie star. Good looks like where is she gonna go?
Speaker 1: And if she does, go on to the next one
Speaker 1: man Like I never understood that. But yeah, I guess
Speaker 1: she was a little nutty and I think a little
Speaker 1: bit you know pill problem which had that going on.
Speaker 1: But see the thing is, yeah, he's like he could
Speaker 1: have gone OJ on her if she left him. Think
Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, I mean it's okay. Whoever was popular
Speaker 1: back then. I don't know who the big guy, big
Speaker 1: actor was, who was the handsome guy in the fifties?
Speaker 1: Hell out carry Grant? Carry carry Grant. So she leaves
Speaker 1: Joe DiMaggio for carry Grant. I would say Demaggio kind
Speaker 1: of had that jealousy thing. He might have gone all OJ.
Speaker 2: That could have been so yeah. So they married this
Speaker 2: day January fourteen, nineteen fifty four, barely got past the
Speaker 2: honeymoon phase. Monroe and Demasia were divorced October nineteen fifty four,
Speaker 2: again just two hundred and seventy four days after they
Speaker 2: were married. In her filing, Monroe accused her husband of
Speaker 2: quote mental cruelty. She then married the playwright Arthur Miller
Speaker 2: in nineteen fifty six. That marriage also ended and divorced
Speaker 2: in nineteen sixty one, left Monroe in a state of
Speaker 2: emotional fragility. In February nineteen sixty one, she was admitted
Speaker 2: to a psychiatric clinic. It was Joe DiMaggio who shook
Speaker 2: cured her release and took her to the Yankees Florida
Speaker 2: Spring training camp for rest and relaxation. Rumors swirled about
Speaker 2: their remarriage. They maintained a quote good friends status when
Speaker 2: the thirty six year old monroad and I'm sure you've
Speaker 2: heard this, when she died of a drug overdose quote
Speaker 2: unquote nineteen sixty two, Demagio arranged the funeral, and for
Speaker 2: the next two decades until his death in nineteen ninety nine,
Speaker 2: he sent roses several times a week to her grave
Speaker 2: in La Yep, he was a smitten kitten. Well, hey,
Speaker 2: look man, it's Marilyn Monroe. Marilyn Monroe. It'd be like,
Speaker 2: you know, like today, like you know, like Debbie Levado, right,
Speaker 2: like you just like the number.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think I think Mary he's hot again.
Speaker 2: By the way, Demie Levirus. She goes through various phases
Speaker 2: of like looking like I think about it all the time, whatever,
Speaker 2: like almost lesbian, to like a supermodel, like back and forth.
Speaker 1: She's in her hot phase again. Nice to check it out.
Speaker 1: I had two for what I think of the great beauties.
Speaker 1: I think of Marilyn Monroe, Sophie Iran, Jamie Mansfield, Jane Mansfield,
Speaker 1: Bridgie Aboudou, Yes, Claudia card right, yeah, there, through the
Speaker 1: through the ages, I don't know who. Then you get
Speaker 1: on through the in the seventies, Quel Welch, Roquel Welch,
Speaker 1: and then you get into the seventies and eighties with
Speaker 1: Susande Summers and Sarah fast Ara Faucet, and then I think,
Speaker 1: who's after that? Then I go, I know, Demi Levado,
Speaker 1: give me a freaking break.
Speaker 3: Now you did?
Speaker 2: You did skip over gw Anderson and when Sephon.
Speaker 1: When Stefani Sorry, I was just trying to get to
Speaker 1: the to that part.
Speaker 2: No, okay, So in a way you can understand she
Speaker 2: She is the uh that you know, the nineteen fifties
Speaker 2: version of Sydney Sweeney, who dim Lovado? No Monroe Monroe?
Speaker 2: Oh you know what?
Speaker 1: No, Marilynd Morroa. I've been I'm reassessing my Sydney Sweeney
Speaker 1: thing she's got. I mean, obviously the body is wof
Speaker 1: you think her face is mid mid, totally mid. I
Speaker 1: mean I was looking at her the other day and
Speaker 1: which I've always thought her face was, and I think
Speaker 1: she's embrace it because I saw her a picture of her.
Speaker 1: She looks like a girl you went to high school with,
Speaker 1: but and you would find that buried treasure. Yeah you know,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, because nobody else would pay
Speaker 1: attention to her because of her face, and she would
Speaker 1: be like, no, wearing makeup and all that, but then
Speaker 1: she would get all made up and then that body
Speaker 1: would come out to play and you'd be like, yes,
Speaker 1: suns other things would come out to plays.
Speaker 2: What I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Look it's not mid, but she's not like just actually
Speaker 2: gorgeous down gorgeous. No, absolutely, not like hands down. I
Speaker 2: always thought, like Kieran Knight here nightly, she was just
Speaker 2: like just Natalie Sunny, beautiful, Natalie beautiful.
Speaker 1: It doesn't have a.
Speaker 2: Son shut it down.
Speaker 1: Uh, but yeah, women like that. But see that was
Speaker 1: I I've told you the story. My girlfriend in college.
Speaker 1: She was always just kind of one of the guys
Speaker 1: and all my buddies, you know, she hung out with
Speaker 1: us and always wearing jeans and a big flannel shirt
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. And then one day she came to
Speaker 1: my buddies pool party with a bikini on, and my
Speaker 1: and all my boys were going.
Speaker 2: What, yeah, I see.
Speaker 1: I was like, guys, I keep telling you. That's what
Speaker 1: I told the guys. I was like, They're like, dude,
Speaker 1: she she's built like a guy, she's cute, but come on, man,
Speaker 1: like I know that, I know the truth.
Speaker 2: I know it's really going on under that all those sweaters.
Speaker 1: And that's what I'm saying. And she showed up mkie.
Speaker 2: And these guys are like, sun what yeah, I got
Speaker 2: secretly high fived all around the pool.
Speaker 1: So rock I. What do you like more than anything
Speaker 1: in the universe?
Speaker 3: Women? Oh no?
Speaker 2: Sorry? A world record?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Boom, you hit it. Second, guess I have the ten
Speaker 1: oddest Guinness World Records that were set in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: Oh nice?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: How did this? How did I skip over this? I
Speaker 2: scoured the net all day long for stories I missed
Speaker 2: this one.
Speaker 1: We talked about this before. The woman that broke the
Speaker 1: record for the fastest hundred meters barefoot on lego bricks
Speaker 1: never heard from New Zealand. She ran across six hundred
Speaker 1: and sixty pounds of lego bricks spread across one hundred
Speaker 1: meters in a record setting time of twenty four point
Speaker 1: seventy five seconds. Now, I want to know who did
Speaker 1: it first and.
Speaker 2: Who decided that was shocking, shockingly fast.
Speaker 1: Fastest time to clear a game of hungry, hungry hippos
Speaker 1: with a team of two.
Speaker 2: Well, what is it?
Speaker 1: They did it in eight point nine one seconds. This
Speaker 1: it's a father's yeah, father son team And then skip
Speaker 1: over cover of.
Speaker 2: These Oh and this guy. I love this.
Speaker 1: I saw the picture of this dude, sweetest guy. Martin
Speaker 1: Struby Uh broke the record for the most matches held
Speaker 1: in his nose.
Speaker 2: What is it? I'm gonna I'm gonna cringe.
Speaker 1: Mister Throby was able to hold eighty one stick matches
Speaker 1: in his nostrils at the same time, being the previous
Speaker 1: record of sixty eight. So is that like forty per
Speaker 1: nostril or pretty much? Looking up you'll see the dude,
Speaker 1: he's got these things shoved up to his brain. Fastest
Speaker 1: ten meters pushing a skateboard by a pig. Why, thanks
Speaker 1: for asking. It was in Grove, Buffalo Grove, Illinois. He
Speaker 1: went a distance of thirty three feet and just under
Speaker 1: twelve about eleven and a half seconds. Fastest one hundred
Speaker 1: meters running on all fours. This happened. It doesn't say
Speaker 1: where it was, but did one hundred meters in four
Speaker 1: point fourteen point five to five seconds. Most golf teas
Speaker 1: in the hair? Funny you should ask lady golf seas
Speaker 1: where golf teas in your hair?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Like like time, what up in your hair?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 2: How many?
Speaker 1: Inserting a seven hundred eleven teas in her hair out
Speaker 1: in Carlsbad, California.
Speaker 2: Jeez? Sis, see what is the I wonder if and
Speaker 2: these are Guinness records, like official Guinness records, I don't
Speaker 2: feel like they have to have some criteria to stop
Speaker 2: these stupid Like it's hard to define it, but you
Speaker 2: know when one is stupid in when it's actually real,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean actually impressive.
Speaker 1: Most of these are are stupid. I respect him, but
Speaker 1: do you think that's a stupid?
Speaker 2: How about?
Speaker 1: I don't even know where he's from. It doesn't say
Speaker 1: UH set the record for balancing spoons on his body
Speaker 1: at eighty five.
Speaker 2: I can see that there's some talent. That's the third
Speaker 2: time he said it in the matchstick knows guy. That's
Speaker 2: a second type. He set the record. Uh, and so
Speaker 2: in other words, he broke it, or he said it
Speaker 2: someone else broke and said, I'll be damn I backed.
Speaker 2: Let's go back to the training.
Speaker 1: And finally, farthest eyeball pop male category, A guy in UH.
Speaker 1: He's from originally from Uruguay living in Italy, said he
Speaker 1: discovered his unusual talent for relaxing his muscles around his
Speaker 1: eyes when he was eight or nine and it's been
Speaker 1: his signature party trick ever since. He performed the trick
Speaker 1: for his doctor, who confirmed the man's eyes can pop
Speaker 1: point seven four inches out of their sockets, enough to
Speaker 1: earn him the world record in Guinness. So about three
Speaker 1: quarters of an inch. That guy can push his eyeball
Speaker 1: out of his head. No, dude, I've seen people do
Speaker 1: that and it's it's freaky not.
Speaker 2: Bed Now, I've not seen anybody do that. I wouldn't
Speaker 2: want to either.
Speaker 1: Now I've Cidney Sweeney walked in here with you know,
Speaker 1: barely anything on. Oh guy, she has eyes. You see
Speaker 1: my eyeballs pop right out of my head. They rolled
Speaker 1: around on the four with that. We check him with
Speaker 1: traffic and weather Rick.
Speaker 2: What's up? All right? Back with Eddie and Rocky Rob
Speaker 2: We got a guess, yes and big news I was
Speaker 2: yesterday the day before. Mike Tomlin is quote stepping down
Speaker 2: unquote after nineteen seasons, never a losing season in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2: What's his next move? What's the next move of the Steelers?
Speaker 2: And I want to bring on a guy we've we've talked.
Speaker 2: It's been a little while but since we've talked to him,
Speaker 2: but Adam Crowley does a great job at ninety three
Speaker 2: to seven the fan in Pittsburgh. Adam, how are you, brother?
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm great, Rocky, it's good to talk to you
Speaker 3: guys again. Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely so. So what I guess was the what
Speaker 2: was the reaction in Pittsburgh when that news broke that
Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin had been is stepping down.
Speaker 3: I think the vast majority of Steelers fans, those that
Speaker 3: I've talked to, and my gosh, have we taken a
Speaker 3: bunch of calls go out.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, Adam, I bet you were able
Speaker 2: to just kind of put your feet up on the
Speaker 2: desk and just.
Speaker 1: Three hours they're taking a nap, right there, Son, Just
Speaker 1: open the bones.
Speaker 3: That's right, you said, what has it been a day
Speaker 3: or two? It's been my entire life. It feels like
Speaker 3: that we've been taking calls on Mike Tomlin and now
Speaker 3: it's over. And I think even the most fervent Mike
Speaker 3: Tomlin backers are are admitting finally that it was time.
Speaker 3: It doesn't mean that Mike Tomlin didn't do a good
Speaker 3: job overall here. He did. It doesn't mean that he's
Speaker 3: not a great football coach or an eventual Hall of
Speaker 3: Fame football coach. I think he is, and he is,
Speaker 3: but it just wasn't working anymore. And while many people
Speaker 3: say that Mike Tomlin got more out of less, he's
Speaker 3: also in charge of the personnel decisions. That's never been
Speaker 3: publicly stated. It's not like it's next to his job title.
Speaker 3: But he's got more power than anybody in the organization
Speaker 3: not named Art Rooney the second. And as he's accrued
Speaker 3: more power there was ulci fated. It's not all that
Speaker 3: dissimilar from Bill Belichick, who was a great coach, but
Speaker 3: maybe not the player evaluator the equivalents of his head
Speaker 3: coaching abilities.
Speaker 1: So what is well, let's talk about Let's talk about
Speaker 1: Tomlin's future here now, Adam. The big chat is that
Speaker 1: he's going to go into TV, and everybody think he's
Speaker 1: a natural for that. I don't see Tomlin doing that.
Speaker 1: I do, do you really? I don't know, Adam, your
Speaker 1: thoughts on that, because I never thought of him as
Speaker 1: a personal guy. He always looked like a guy who
Speaker 1: wanted to bite your head off anytime anybody talked to him.
Speaker 1: But I thought that about Coward too, and he's really
Speaker 1: good on television.
Speaker 3: I think Tomlin would be even better than Coward, and
Speaker 3: I agree, I think Coward's good. I think in the
Speaker 3: local media we don't get the best of Mike. He
Speaker 3: he doesn't. He says that, let's just say for the
Speaker 3: Jay Glazers and the rich Eyesens, the national media members
Speaker 3: world and I get it to an extent, but he's
Speaker 3: a lot more colorful with them. He is a very
Speaker 3: funny man behind the scenes, and an entertaining guy, and
Speaker 3: a good storyteller and He's incredibly bright and sharp and witty.
Speaker 3: I think if he put his mind to it, he'd
Speaker 3: be really good at television. I mean, he obviously knows
Speaker 3: the game. That part will be the easy part. The
Speaker 3: thing is, I don't know if he'll have the time
Speaker 3: to put in all the efforts to be great at television,
Speaker 3: because I think it would be a brief stay. I
Speaker 3: think he's absolutely addicted to competition. The way he came
Speaker 3: off the field after Tyler lut missed that field goal
Speaker 3: for the Ravens, I just can't imagine him not wanting
Speaker 3: to coach and feel that competitiveness every single day and
Speaker 3: then times one hundred on Sundays. I think he'll be
Speaker 3: in the league, probably not next year. In fact, I
Speaker 3: bet a lot of money he wouldn't, But I think
Speaker 3: by twenty twenty seven he's back coaching someplace else.
Speaker 2: So I mean, what do you ultimately think. Does he
Speaker 2: do a year in television because any network is going
Speaker 2: to pay him whatever it takes to have him on,
Speaker 2: because again I think he'd be great, And then yeah,
Speaker 2: just during that year, does the research on who's going
Speaker 2: to need a coach and what's the quarterback situation and
Speaker 2: what's the personnel situation, just does all the backwork and
Speaker 2: uses a lot of these guys. They use their access
Speaker 2: to different different franchises to be able to kind of
Speaker 2: do almost a job search and kind of look under
Speaker 2: the hood a little bit. Is that kind of what
Speaker 2: you imagine happening with Tomlin?
Speaker 3: Absolutely? And I think he wants to go to a
Speaker 3: place with a quarterback. I think he's tired. I mean,
Speaker 3: who doesn't, but he's tired of the whole Mary go
Speaker 3: Rounds thing. Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, Mitch Drubisky, we could
Speaker 3: name them all. It would take all day. I think
Speaker 3: he wants to go to a place with the quarterback.
Speaker 3: I think he thinks he can win an elite level
Speaker 3: in this league. But you need that one element. The
Speaker 3: tricky part is if he were to want to coach
Speaker 3: this year, then the Steelers would be able to get compensation.
Speaker 3: They would have to trade Tomlin to whichever franchise wanted
Speaker 3: his services. If it's in twenty twenty seven, I've talked
Speaker 3: to so many people about this, including Mike Floria was
Speaker 3: on our station today from Pro Football Talk. We have
Speaker 3: no idea what happens in twenty twenty seven because nobody
Speaker 3: can get their hands on a copy of the contract,
Speaker 3: and the Steelers had an option that they could pick
Speaker 3: up in May of this year. I don't know if
Speaker 3: they could pick the option up if he resigned. Probably not,
Speaker 3: And so are they going to have his rights then?
Speaker 3: If not, he'd be free to go anywhere, which I
Speaker 3: think would potentially open up a situation in Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: Maybe, huh with Joe Burrow, Well, I mean, any coach
Speaker 2: looks at a play if number one thing, do they
Speaker 2: have the quarterback? And boy, they sure have one here,
Speaker 2: no doubt, depending on what what happened. Let me back
Speaker 2: up a little bit at him. So, yeah, so he
Speaker 2: stepped down. So talk about the semantics like, so by
Speaker 2: stepping down, he's able to get paid by them? Is
Speaker 2: that why he chose to do that? Why would he
Speaker 2: not say, you know what, if we're going to do this,
Speaker 2: fire me okay, and then I can go get a
Speaker 2: job this this next coming year.
Speaker 3: As I understand it, if they had fired him, they'd
Speaker 3: have to pay him, okay. And if they'd fire him,
Speaker 3: he would also be able to go wherever he wanted,
Speaker 3: And that was that was never going to happen. They
Speaker 3: were never going to cut him loose. Art Rooney, the
Speaker 3: second Steelers team president owner, spoke today and he was
Speaker 3: asked specifically about that extra year, that option year that
Speaker 3: I was just talking about, and he was pretty deftined
Speaker 3: answering the question. He said, well, I anticipated Mike was
Speaker 3: going to come back in twenty twenty six, so I
Speaker 3: don't know that he ever would have picked up the
Speaker 3: option on Mike Tomlin. But unless Mike stepped the way,
Speaker 3: he was going to be their coach next year for
Speaker 3: at least one more season.
Speaker 2: So this was Mike initiating. Initiated this. He's the one
Speaker 2: who said I do not want to be the head
Speaker 2: coach for the Steelers anymore.
Speaker 3: Right, Yes. And Art Runny the second today said that
Speaker 3: he thinks this was a family decision and not a
Speaker 3: football decision. I am cynical and I don't ever believe
Speaker 3: anything anybody says, and I think there's probably some truth
Speaker 3: in both realms. I mean, from a football standpoint, he
Speaker 3: kept hitting his head on the wildcard round and from
Speaker 3: a personal standpoint, when you do that and you got
Speaker 3: fans chanting for your firing, and your family's probably hearing
Speaker 3: it when they go out to dinner the supermarket. Maybe
Speaker 3: it is just time for a fresh start, because it
Speaker 3: could get pretty ugly around here. Things don't go well,
Speaker 3: and for us around here, spoiled as we may be,
Speaker 3: winning ten games and going to the playoffs every other
Speaker 3: year isn't enough if you're not winning those playoff games.
Speaker 2: All right, So let's move in, by the way, Adam
Speaker 2: Crowley of a ninety three to seven the fan in Pittsburgh,
Speaker 2: So let's spin it forward here. Who who's the coach
Speaker 2: that the Steelers want? And who do you think it's
Speaker 2: going to be.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 3: I don't think any of this reporting nationally for the
Speaker 3: last three or so weeks has been by accident. I mean,
Speaker 3: there was a ton of reports from the Glazers of
Speaker 3: the world that Mike Tomlin, hey, maybe he is considering television. Well.
Speaker 3: At the same time, Albert Breer wrote a story, Hey,
Speaker 3: if something did happen with Mike Tomlin, They've got their
Speaker 3: eyes on Chris Shula, who obviously has the shool of
Speaker 3: blood and he is the defensive coordinator of the Los
Speaker 3: Angeles Rams. I think that's the most likely guy they
Speaker 3: have an mo although I mean it's it's tough to
Speaker 3: say that because they hire a coach you know, once
Speaker 3: a generation. But Chuck Noll thirty seven and a defensive
Speaker 3: coordinator for the Baltimore Colts, Mike tom a defensive coordinator
Speaker 3: the Minnesota Vikings, and then Bill Cower is the defensive
Speaker 3: coordinator of the Cleveland Browns. I think that's ideally how
Speaker 3: they want to play ball. They want to play defense,
Speaker 3: they want to run the football, and it is no
Speaker 3: secret around these parts. And I don't think this is
Speaker 3: unique to Pittsburgh, but I think the Steelers organization is
Speaker 3: enamored with the success of the Rams organization, and it
Speaker 3: wouldn't shock me if Shula were the higher They've already
Speaker 3: put in a request to interview him and the passing
Speaker 3: game coordinator there, Nate. I'm going to make this sound
Speaker 3: so Pittsburgh easy. Nate sheiel Hass is a guy that
Speaker 3: I think they'd be interested in as well. They're interviewing him.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure if he'd be a head coach, he's
Speaker 3: a little early in his developmental curve, but perhaps his
Speaker 3: offensive coordinator. But I bet good money on one of
Speaker 3: those two guys, and then potentially Brian Flores, the Vikings
Speaker 3: defensive coordinator. He was here not long ago as a
Speaker 3: linebacker's coach, and people in the building loved him, though
Speaker 3: I've heard he could rub people the wrong way if
Speaker 3: he stays beyond the year.
Speaker 1: Well, Adam, let me just tell you, we here in
Speaker 1: Cincinnati would just give you a word of warning. Counting
Speaker 1: on the Shula coaching tree. We've lived it, been there
Speaker 1: and done that. So anyways, just a word of warning too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll tell you what. I don't the family lineage thing.
Speaker 3: It never really did it for me. It absolutely does
Speaker 3: it for them. I mean, they've got two Haywards, they
Speaker 3: had all the Tarrell Edmunds brothers, they've I mean, they
Speaker 3: just they're obsessed with lineage. They have Mark Brunner, who
Speaker 3: is a former tight end son on the team right now,
Speaker 3: and he plays seven snaps the game. He runs down
Speaker 3: and tackles people on kickoffs. We all thought Tom was
Speaker 3: gonna draft his kids, so it wouldn't It wouldn't surprise
Speaker 3: me if they went went with some family ties. But
Speaker 3: there's always a Kubiak out there too, so maybe they
Speaker 3: can get one of the six Kubiaks.
Speaker 2: But I guess what I'm saying is it makes sense
Speaker 2: given the Steelers history, they would want to go after
Speaker 2: a defensive guy. But a lot of the popular opinion
Speaker 2: in the media, and you tell me if it's the
Speaker 2: popular opinion in Pittsburgh is it's been the offense, right,
Speaker 2: the offense for a while, and you know that they
Speaker 2: need more of an offensive minded guy to get more
Speaker 2: creative on offense. So what do you think. What are
Speaker 2: the people in Pittsburgh think? Do they are they fine
Speaker 2: with a defensive guy and Chris Schuler, or do they
Speaker 2: want more of an offensive minded head coach.
Speaker 3: People here won an offensive guy. I think the organization
Speaker 3: wal lean defense, but the vast majority of the fan
Speaker 3: base won an offensive guy. I'm okay with either. Or
Speaker 3: I look at the eight teams that are left in
Speaker 3: the divisional round, and four of the head coaches are
Speaker 3: offensive slant. Before the coaches are of a defensive slant.
Speaker 3: You look at the statistics and this just in. To
Speaker 3: be playing on Divisional round weekend, you got to be
Speaker 3: good on offense and defense. Most of these teams are
Speaker 3: top ten or near top ten in both, So I
Speaker 3: think there's multiple ways to get it done. I think
Speaker 3: ideally people around here would won an offensive coach, but
Speaker 3: if you hire the right defensive coach who hires good coordinators,
Speaker 3: that can work too. But people are pretty sick of
Speaker 3: watching the brand a ball we've seen here the last
Speaker 3: five years, which more often than not, and there were
Speaker 3: moments this year was good, but more often than not
Speaker 3: has been three yards, a cloud of dust, and then
Speaker 3: a punt.
Speaker 1: All right, Adam, let me one final question from us,
Speaker 1: how about how did you get meat you guys feel about?
Speaker 1: I think it's obvious to everyone that it was Aaron Rodgers'
Speaker 1: last down in Pittsburgh and basically telling you guys to
Speaker 1: go f yourself the other day and walking out of
Speaker 1: the press conference.
Speaker 2: How did that go for?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it. I mean he's not coming back. If
Speaker 3: Mike Tomlin came back, I think that door was open
Speaker 3: because there's not a lot of good free agent quarterbacks
Speaker 3: out there. It's still early. I mean there's pro days
Speaker 3: and things of that. Nature of the draft class doesn't
Speaker 3: look all that on inspiring. So I think Tomlin, if
Speaker 3: he were the guy, he'd have wanted Rogers to come back.
Speaker 3: And I think Rogers, if he played, would have been
Speaker 3: amenable to coming back. There's no chance that happens now.
Speaker 3: Rogers loved Tomlin. Tomlin loved Rogers, and with no Tomlin,
Speaker 3: there shall be no Rogers. And I'm kind of bumped because,
Speaker 3: my god, that I love covering the guy.
Speaker 2: How fun was that? I mean every day was an adventure?
Speaker 3: Right? It really was the best possible scenario for Steelers fans,
Speaker 3: myself included this year, because they wound up going to
Speaker 3: the playoffs. They beat the Ravens twice. Mike Tomlin left,
Speaker 3: but it's not messy because he didn't get fired and
Speaker 3: he could go on and be happy. We could be
Speaker 3: happy in Rogers roller coaster. Man, it's a it's a blast.
Speaker 3: And I cannot wait for like, from what's it gonna
Speaker 3: be like three weeks probably or something like that from
Speaker 3: now for him to get on the Pat mac off
Speaker 3: his show and he's gonna do his tell all and
Speaker 3: we're gonna hear all this stuff. That's exactly right. I
Speaker 3: cannot wait.
Speaker 2: That's the best. Well, Adam, you're the best man. We
Speaker 2: really appreciated great having you back on and happy to
Speaker 2: come on and talk some Bengals on your show one day,
Speaker 2: But thank you for coming on and shorting this allf man,
Speaker 2: We really appreciate it.
Speaker 3: I would love it, buddy, appreciate it. Guys. You have
Speaker 3: a great day.
Speaker 2: Thanks keep Sam.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't even imagine covering that Aaron Rodgers fan,
Speaker 1: that's right there. That's a trip. I'm sure suffering largely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder what the latest. You know, there's always
Speaker 2: like some controverse here, some you know, first world problem
Speaker 2: thing went on a while ago. It was, you know,
Speaker 2: they had like a frozen custard dispenser and it was
Speaker 2: like strawberry vanilla and chocolate. But when you wanted chocolate,
Speaker 2: sometimes there would be a little just a smidgen of
Speaker 2: strawberry leftover, and people were just losing their minds. What
Speaker 2: are we? What the hell are we? I am I
Speaker 2: do not have to put up with a little bit
Speaker 2: of strawberry ice cream on top of my chocolate.
Speaker 1: Now, where am I an animal? Where he lives? I
Speaker 1: can't even imagine the bitch the quality and the amount
Speaker 1: of bitchiness that goes on. Because we have a timeshare
Speaker 1: in Sarasota. Yeah, it's just like where Willie lives, trust me.
Speaker 1: Uh and just some of the stuff that people complain about,
Speaker 1: you know, we did found some uh find some mouse
Speaker 1: droppings in our condo. Well guess what, they've been tearing
Speaker 1: down buildings all around this place. We guess where they're
Speaker 1: going to come to the standing building that's right next door,
Speaker 1: right like we're doing. They we can we come in
Speaker 1: and we spray all the time. Okay, cool, No, it's
Speaker 1: not like there was a little doll up of strawberry
Speaker 1: frozen yogurt in my chocolate telling you just you know,
Speaker 1: just the first world problems. Yeah, we'll deal with him
Speaker 1: shortly now, rock beck In Beck In our younger days,
Speaker 1: my younger days and and yours as well, I know
Speaker 1: used to do you would somebody would say, hey, have
Speaker 1: a shot or do this right? You just I I
Speaker 1: was down in Florida, and I know it was a
Speaker 1: thing here too, But I remember being down in Florida
Speaker 1: one time, and it was Bubba the Love Sponge.
Speaker 2: You remember Bubba. I remember. I feel like that guy
Speaker 2: was like like a comet, Like he just came about
Speaker 2: and was like the biggest thing ever and then kind
Speaker 2: of poof gone.
Speaker 1: He was here for a little bit, but he was
Speaker 1: really big in Florida for a while.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I got to know Bubba a little bit, and
Speaker 1: I was down there for a station thing.
Speaker 2: Now, was he gone in like the afternoon on EBN
Speaker 2: or something and you were in the morning.
Speaker 1: He was in the evening. He was like seven to
Speaker 1: midnight or something.
Speaker 2: Redneck Monday and yeah, yeah, no parents Thursday correct, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: and it's good to see you. Didn't listen much, but
Speaker 2: he uh, you know, that was his home, his home base,
Speaker 2: and so he was doing an appearance at a bar.
Speaker 2: So the Dolphin and I were down there, remember Finn
Speaker 2: and Finn and I went out and saw him, and
Speaker 2: you know, he's showing us just first class street, but
Speaker 2: you guys come in, you know, da da da, this
Speaker 2: and that and the other. Put us behind the velvet rope,
Speaker 2: which was basically like being at Hooters, but we had
Speaker 2: our own booth and and so he's like, you guys
Speaker 2: got to try the this first time I'd seen it,
Speaker 2: but like I said, I had seen I saw him
Speaker 2: in town here afterwards. But flaming doctor Peppers? Did you
Speaker 2: ever drink that I have had one of those?
Speaker 3: Dude?
Speaker 2: Is that hold on?
Speaker 3: Is that?
Speaker 2: Is that one lit on fire and dropped into a yeah,
Speaker 2: root beer something?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I forget, I forget exactly what it is, but yeah,
Speaker 1: there's uh, there's fire involved, and and I drank a
Speaker 1: couple of those, and I don't remember much the rest
Speaker 1: of the night, but it was kind of intense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, flaming shot of amaretto and overproof rum into a
Speaker 2: glass of beer, extinguishing the flame, creating a sweet root
Speaker 2: beer like taste. So I was I was on the
Speaker 2: right track, right, yeah, yeah, so yeah. It was one
Speaker 2: fifty one, which is flammable obviously, and lo ameretto bloom
Speaker 2: dropping in the beer.
Speaker 1: Go I've had it, Okay, Well, let's do it here
Speaker 1: in Russia, it's a go figure. Thirty eight year old
Speaker 1: guy named doesn't have his last name, named SERGEI, was
Speaker 1: taking part in a Christmas party at a place there
Speaker 1: called the Game of Tables Cooking Studio in Moscow. I
Speaker 1: guess it was a company rented this place out or something.
Speaker 1: He was rushed to surgery after drinking a cocktail that
Speaker 1: ruptured his stomach. And this guy's this guy is still
Speaker 1: in the hospital by the way. We listen to this.
Speaker 1: Then the drink he had not a flaming doctor pepper,
Speaker 1: Oh no, it was a liquid nitrogen infused drink that
Speaker 1: was part of their Cairo show that the chefs were
Speaker 1: showing off and you know liquid nitrogen. Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: they were. Yeah, kind of cold. They used the blah
Speaker 1: blah blah, and it provides dramatic effect and stuff. In
Speaker 1: case you've never seen this stuff, it's very intense. So
Speaker 1: it expands into a gas and as it gets to
Speaker 1: room temperature and you see all the smoke and all
Speaker 1: that rigmarole. Well this dude just goes, oh, I'm good,
Speaker 1: picks it up and throws it down with the liquid
Speaker 1: nitrogen before it had dissolved into his stomach.
Speaker 2: God, that's rough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And witnesses there claimed that they were given no
Speaker 1: warnings by the shift that the cocktail was dangerous. Guess
Speaker 1: what if somebody says that's really there is something damaging
Speaker 1: in there, don't drink it, And I'm like, oh, wi
Speaker 1: should be I'm cool. All right, back with that idian, Rocky.
Speaker 1: It is Wednesday round about this time, rock and that
Speaker 1: means it is time for a Wednesday with Willy being
Speaker 1: brought to you by Joseph Chevrolet.
Speaker 2: Yes, and well, we wanted to hit you with this.
Speaker 2: I'm sure you've heard about the double homicide in Columbus, Monica.
Speaker 2: Teppe thirty nine, Spencer Teppee thirty seven last week, and
Speaker 2: we'd actually talked to Tanya about it, and not much
Speaker 2: about the case had been broken. But I guess now
Speaker 2: the brother or no, the former husband is the one
Speaker 2: that's a suspect in this. So I was just wondering,
Speaker 2: you know, in your illustrious past legal career, you ever
Speaker 2: a part of any high profile cases or sinister type
Speaker 2: cases similar to Nation one.
Speaker 6: Yes, Manie Well Well, when this broke, I spoke to
Speaker 6: a dentist friend of mine, and the dental community at
Speaker 6: that level was somewhat limited a number, and I was
Speaker 6: told that the police early on was looking at a
Speaker 6: former lover, not necessarily a husband of the wife as
Speaker 6: the likely party because of some information. And so when
Speaker 6: the former husband slash lover was arrested, it wasn't much
Speaker 6: of a shock to the dental community. But what it
Speaker 6: said is is that this couple, she quickly divorced him.
Speaker 6: They were married only for like a year eighteen months,
Speaker 6: and it was kind of a nasty divorce. He did
Speaker 6: not want to let her go. And then in his mind,
Speaker 6: which I don't know if it's true or not, that
Speaker 6: in the divorce guy's mind, she was shall we say,
Speaker 6: less than faithful to her to him during the marriage,
Speaker 6: which may be a lie, but that's what he believed.
Speaker 6: The killer believed that somehow this other guy was in
Speaker 6: the picture before he was out of the picture. And
Speaker 6: I have no information other than rumor and hearsay and
Speaker 6: indicate that's accurate or not. But whenever someone like that
Speaker 6: is killed, the first people you look at are former husbands,
Speaker 6: it's former lovers, it's someone in the circle of friends.
Speaker 6: Anonymous killings happened, but they're extremely rare. So the police
Speaker 6: in Columbus quickly, according to when they talked to family
Speaker 6: members and friends of the wife, said, take a look
Speaker 6: at that guy right there, he's the guy.
Speaker 2: And so in.
Speaker 6: Today's world, because of the cell phones and because of
Speaker 6: things like that the ping, they could put him in
Speaker 6: pretty close contact if assuming he didn't his phone on,
Speaker 6: and from that developed the case. And uh, I think
Speaker 6: it's it's a whrror, but but it's a good thing
Speaker 6: he didn't. He didn't kill the offspring, the one in
Speaker 6: the three year old or four year old made it
Speaker 6: through this, and it's awful, it's terrible, And these are
Speaker 6: the reasons you need a death penalty and torture before death.
Speaker 6: This guy that did that to that family needs to
Speaker 6: spend at least to the rest of his life in
Speaker 6: prison beating sheriff burgers and at a minimum, at a maximum,
Speaker 6: he should be upside down, hung and beaten and and
Speaker 6: then killed.
Speaker 2: Because that that's awful.
Speaker 6: That's that's that's unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Well, Willie on the flip side of the coin, and
Speaker 1: we were also talking about what's the the guy naming
Speaker 1: the New York Mangeoniah, do you okay you're in charge
Speaker 1: of defending that guy or this guy? How do you
Speaker 1: approach that from knowing? I mean, there's there legit is
Speaker 1: video of that guy shooting the guy in New York
Speaker 1: and this guy he's placed at the scene, his cars there,
Speaker 1: his car was there, then his car was gone after
Speaker 1: the crime. How do you, as a defense attorney defend
Speaker 1: something like that?
Speaker 6: So different cases. Luigi has thousands of supporters who have
Speaker 6: raised him millions of dollars who believe it was a
Speaker 6: justified homicide. Now, you might not be able to sell
Speaker 6: that to a jury in Warren County or in Boon County,
Speaker 6: but you might be able to have one recoucildron juror
Speaker 6: in New York City say, you know what, I've had
Speaker 6: some medical bills that weren't paid, and I've had circumstances
Speaker 6: and with insurance companies did not allow me to have
Speaker 6: a procedure that cost me my life or cost me
Speaker 6: my limbs. And so they're hoping for one or two
Speaker 6: recoucitrant jurors that are going to say, we're not going
Speaker 6: to convict him of aggravated murder first to re murder
Speaker 6: in New York, We're not going to do that. And
Speaker 6: that's what you're hoping for. Plus temporary insanity, that is
Speaker 6: that he was driven crazy by the back problems Luigi
Speaker 6: was having. He sought treatment and care for it in
Speaker 6: Owaii in other places. He was a traveling man and
Speaker 6: he kept having these medical difficulties and couldn't get the
Speaker 6: insurance companies. I'm not sure as the one that the
Speaker 6: decedent was a CEO of, but nonetheless he had angst
Speaker 6: against the insurance company and he hit other people on
Speaker 6: the list he was going to kill. It wasn't just
Speaker 6: that CEO United, He had other CEOs he was looking for,
Speaker 6: much like a chapman trying to who killed John Lennon
Speaker 6: had other names on.
Speaker 2: The list to kill.
Speaker 6: And so so in that case, you say, look, we
Speaker 6: admit he did it, but it was justified. Now in
Speaker 6: this case, I don't think there's hundreds of people going
Speaker 6: to raise money for this murderer and going to march
Speaker 6: around the courthouse hoping this guy set free. And so
Speaker 6: in that case, again you're looking for temporary insanity, which is,
Speaker 6: assuming they have factually that he actually did it, you'd
Speaker 6: have to go into some insanity defense, which rarely works
Speaker 6: because assuming the murderer and the dentist and co Columbus
Speaker 6: got into a car, mental acuity to start the car,
Speaker 6: he followed traffic violations or not had stop signs, his
Speaker 6: mind worked, he stopped, he saw the red light, he stopped,
Speaker 6: he saw a green light, he went. And if he
Speaker 6: had a gun, there's an operational aspect to that. Did
Speaker 6: he operate the gun? What is his mind connecting with reality?
Speaker 6: The answer was yes, he connected with reality up until
Speaker 6: the point he claims when he killed two innocent people
Speaker 6: in that home. And so that's why insanity. And I've
Speaker 6: had fifteen or twenty insanity defenses, and I had one
Speaker 6: that worked out of fifteen or eighteen, and her name
Speaker 6: was Dorothy Shirley Andrews. And because she I won't say
Speaker 6: what she did to her baby, but it was so
Speaker 6: out of whack that the juror said, she's not guilty
Speaker 6: by reason of insanity. And that doesn't mean you're free.
Speaker 6: It means you go to a mental hospital until you're
Speaker 6: restored to sanity, which may never happen. Now, others stays
Speaker 6: like Kentucky is guilty but insane, which is factually the
Speaker 6: committed the offense. But then we're going to treat them
Speaker 6: for the mental illness. And once they have sucessfully in
Speaker 6: sured a so called mental illness, then you go to prison.
Speaker 6: Ohio doesn't have that. Ohio's MGRI owt to be updated.
Speaker 6: But in Ohio, if you're classically found not guilty by
Speaker 6: reason of insanity, you could be locked up for one
Speaker 6: year or fifty years, depending upon how long it takes
Speaker 6: to restore your mind to sanity. And so the two
Speaker 6: cases are fundamentally different. And Luigi has supporters the murder
Speaker 6: and Columbus I would assume has no supporter.
Speaker 1: I would assume that as well. Now, because we talked
Speaker 1: to somebody not too long ago Rock who was talking
Speaker 1: about the insanity defense and will to your point, you
Speaker 1: really have to be so far out there that people
Speaker 1: can look at you and go, Okay, that person is
Speaker 1: nuts because a lot of it because you always hear like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's going to plead insanity. Well, I mean it's not
Speaker 1: as easy as that sounds.
Speaker 2: I mean, to your.
Speaker 6: Point, under the McNaughton rule and other rules, you have
Speaker 6: to show that the person was incapable the conforming ishavior
Speaker 6: to the dictates of the law, did not know the
Speaker 6: difference between right and wrong. For example, if you shoot
Speaker 6: someone believing them to be a coke machine and you
Speaker 6: want to get a sprite, and somehow you shoot that
Speaker 6: person thinking they are you can get a root beer
Speaker 6: out of the machine and the person as a human
Speaker 6: being not a piece of metal. Those are the cases
Speaker 6: that might succeed. But even then, normally a person at
Speaker 6: before the moment of the killing takes place, you have
Speaker 6: conformed your behavior, did the dictates of law all day,
Speaker 6: You've done all these things in which your mind was
Speaker 6: connected to reality, and all of a sudden you claim
Speaker 6: you had a snap. Those things hardly ever work, I
Speaker 6: think in Hamley County's history, there's less than three ngris
Speaker 6: because jurors don't buy it, and prosecutors can demonstrate this
Speaker 6: guy did conform his behavior to the law by doing
Speaker 6: all these ten twelve things ahead of time that indicated
Speaker 6: he knew reality, and all of a sudden he snapped
Speaker 6: and didn't know reality, and then he escaped, and the
Speaker 6: murder in Columbus, after the murders were committed, he did
Speaker 6: things to secrete himself. His mind was in contact with reality,
Speaker 6: he knew what he had done, and then spent time.
Speaker 1: To get away.
Speaker 6: Those are the acts of a sane person, and so
Speaker 6: that's even more difficult. And so his best opportunity is
Speaker 6: to plee out and maybe get life without possibility of parole,
Speaker 6: or maybe parole after thirty.
Speaker 2: Or forty years. So, not to go on a tangent,
Speaker 2: but you were talking about Ohio and the death penalty.
Speaker 2: Do you know when and who the last person killed
Speaker 2: in Ohio by the death penalty was.
Speaker 6: Well, it's been a long time. Mike DeWine honestly does
Speaker 6: not believe in the death penalty. He says he believes
Speaker 6: in the death penalty, but he doesn't. So that's eight
Speaker 6: years and before that there was a we had an
Speaker 6: eight year run taft. I don't think executing anybody before him.
Speaker 6: I don't think the Democrat executed in anybody. And before him,
Speaker 6: John Kasik didn't ext you, I would I according to.
Speaker 2: This, it's Robert van hook and twenty eighteen and this
Speaker 2: was under Kasic Casi. So it's been eight years. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's uh, you know.
Speaker 6: And Joe Dieter says that that if just tell me
Speaker 6: whether we have one or not. If we don't have one,
Speaker 6: that's okay. And I've often said that the application of
Speaker 6: the death penalty is so sporadic that why haven't And
Speaker 6: I often say that life without possibility of parole and
Speaker 6: an eight by six foot concrete cell might be worth
Speaker 6: than than lying on a gurney and not waking up,
Speaker 6: and I and it's much less expensive. And so yeah,
Speaker 6: I guess we have a death penalty. But as a
Speaker 6: conservative libertarian, it wouldn't bother me one bit if the
Speaker 6: if the legislator said, let's just not deal with that anymore,
Speaker 6: and let's just you know, let's have life without possibility
Speaker 6: of parole.
Speaker 2: Explain that process though, of how it just keeps getting
Speaker 2: you know, appealed and appealed and appealed, like, because that's
Speaker 2: what jobs to your point, if we're gonna have it, okay,
Speaker 2: let's use it. If we're not, then okay, we'll see good.
Speaker 2: The other the next most extreme measure of punishment, which
Speaker 2: is needed in a society in my opinion. So how
Speaker 2: do things like that keep getting appealed infinitely? It seems like, well,
Speaker 2: it takes long.
Speaker 6: At the trial stage. You have to have qualified jurors
Speaker 6: that are willing to apply the death penalty. It takes
Speaker 6: a long time to have a jury to be sworn in.
Speaker 6: That takes months and months and months. There's only a
Speaker 6: few pre qualified attorneys in Ohio. James Bogan is pre
Speaker 6: qualified to handle death penalty cases. Most criminal defense lawyers
Speaker 6: don't want to be qualified to handle death penalty cases.
Speaker 6: It takes so long, very rarely as the defendant person
Speaker 6: of means, which means the state is paying you not
Speaker 6: enough money to represent them, and you put that along
Speaker 6: with them. If there is a conviction, there's all kinds
Speaker 6: of post conviction remedies before sentencing. Then one sentencing takes place,
Speaker 6: the judge can say no, and many judges don't want
Speaker 6: to impose the death penalty. The judge can say, well,
Speaker 6: I'm not going to accept the recommendation, and then the
Speaker 6: appellate process starts. It goes to the first district Court
Speaker 6: of Appeals, which takes two to three years. Then it
Speaker 6: goes high a Supreme Court that takes three to four years.
Speaker 6: Then there's newly discovered evidence, much like in the Blue
Speaker 6: Ash Hotel case, which wasn't newly discovered evidence, but then
Speaker 6: there's new evidence discovered. Then you go back to the
Speaker 6: original trial court to say we have new evidence, who
Speaker 6: want a new trial? Then you have hearings on that,
Speaker 6: and then once the state remedies have exhausted, then you
Speaker 6: jump over to the federal system. You begin at the
Speaker 6: federal district turn back over, then you start over, and
Speaker 6: then you go to the Court of Appeals circuit. Then
Speaker 6: you go to the US Supreme Court. Then you have
Speaker 6: newly discovered evidence.
Speaker 2: Why why are there all these steps and why do
Speaker 2: they take months and sometimes years in between.
Speaker 1: Eight years you hear what these guys being on this
Speaker 1: death row for fifteen to twenty years or some such Well.
Speaker 6: It's because the system is filled with individuals who do
Speaker 6: not believe, who are lawyers and judges, federal judges especially.
Speaker 6: There was a federal judge named Rice who sat in
Speaker 6: Cincinnati who took every death penalty case and put it
Speaker 6: in a file cabinet and didn't even open it up
Speaker 6: for you. He was considering what to do. And so
Speaker 6: if the system is filled with judges who don't believe
Speaker 6: in the death penalty, they look for every conceivable reason.
Speaker 2: Not to have it imposed.
Speaker 6: That every time you have newly discovered evidence, you start
Speaker 6: all over again at the trial court and you work
Speaker 6: a way back up through the system, which you can
Speaker 6: take ten to twelve to fifteen years, and it never ends.
Speaker 6: And then you got newly discovered evidence, then you have
Speaker 6: a witness whose testimony was impeached, and start all over again,
Speaker 6: and you go back to the beginning. And so you
Speaker 6: can have people on death row for twenty five or
Speaker 6: thirty years. And then you have governors who say, you
Speaker 6: know what, I believe in the death penalty because it's
Speaker 6: good politically and sometimes, but I just don't want to
Speaker 6: do it. I'm not going to sign a death warrant.
Speaker 6: I don't think Mike DeWine would ever sign a death
Speaker 6: war and I think case he signed one or two,
Speaker 6: and I've asked for Bake Ramaswami. He's likely the next governor.
Speaker 6: He says he's going to look at it, which tells me, okay,
Speaker 6: you're going to look at it. What does that mean?
Speaker 2: So at the end of the day, if.
Speaker 6: You had life without possibility of parole, you get rid
Speaker 6: of a lot of that stuff completely. It's a lot
Speaker 6: less expense, and said a lot let's wear and tear
Speaker 6: on the legal system and the person is locked in
Speaker 6: a cement cell for the rest of their life. Anyway
Speaker 6: to me, that's one hell of a punishment.
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: With that counselor the the defense rests.
Speaker 6: Eight point two million dollars to criminal protesters, one point
Speaker 6: four million dollars to Quadavior Hicks, and then Ryan Hitt's
Speaker 6: going to get millions of dollars.
Speaker 2: I saw that.
Speaker 6: I'm all fart up about you know, now, City Council,
Speaker 6: it's not their money, it's our money. They're giving more
Speaker 6: than ten million dollars to criminals. Now they want to
Speaker 6: increase the income tax rate.
Speaker 2: What about that?
Speaker 1: Willie will talk about that another day, but right now
Speaker 1: we have to let you go.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: You got me all fired up.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1: There he is done in Florida. He'll be down there
Speaker 1: walking on the beach looking for seashells, being all pissed off.
Speaker 2: And I'm looking for someone to talk about that. I'm
Speaker 2: sure you saw that news. That'll be like, you know,
Speaker 2: the family of Ryan Hinton who shot and killed a
Speaker 2: police officer, you know, is possibly going to get a
Speaker 2: a payout.
Speaker 1: Well, maybe we can hit that up tomorrow.
Speaker 2: That'd be good.
Speaker 1: But right now we got traffic and weather.
Speaker 2: What is going on?
Speaker 4: All?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Back with Eddie and Rocky, And before we get out
Speaker 1: of here, we like to talk to our friends at
Speaker 1: ABC News and Rock. This uh, this case will never
Speaker 1: not fascinate me because Rock and I were talking about
Speaker 1: this off the air, and I'm like, I'm convinced this
Speaker 1: guy he's not gonna wiggle out of it. He's not
Speaker 1: gonna wiggle his way out of it, but he's gonna
Speaker 1: somehow wiggle himself into the lesson the least thing he
Speaker 1: can possibly be a whatever indeted charge.
Speaker 2: Orge Luigi Mangioni, the guy who shot the insurance guy
Speaker 2: and was harold, is a hero by many people that
Speaker 2: I think are kind of nuts. But yes, his hearing
Speaker 2: is going on right now, and Sasha, you have the
Speaker 2: latest on this. What is it?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's exactly right. That key piece of evidence that
Speaker 5: we've all been talking about now at the center of
Speaker 5: another high stakes hearing as lawyers for the accused killer
Speaker 5: of United Healthcare CEO fight to keep his backpack out
Speaker 5: of court. We remember when Luigi Mangioni was tracked down
Speaker 5: at that McDonald's in Altuna, Pennsylvania last year. Police found
Speaker 5: him with a backpack and inside it what prosecutors say
Speaker 5: was unambiguous evidence of his motive, including the alleged murder
Speaker 5: weapon and a red spiral notebook that prosecutors say Manzoni
Speaker 5: used as a diary. It had writings discussing what they
Speaker 5: say was the plan he was concocting. That quote the
Speaker 5: target was insurance. It checks every box. Now, Manjoni's lawyers
Speaker 5: say police is seizure of that backpack and it's an
Speaker 5: initial warrantless search at that McDonald's made it illegal, and
Speaker 5: they're trying to prevent prosecutors from using it as evidence
Speaker 5: in both his state and his federal cases.
Speaker 1: So we'll have to say, sa Peesnik from ABC News
Speaker 1: is our guest, And so what's the logic or the
Speaker 1: case they're trying to make to keep this backpack out
Speaker 1: of being used as evidence.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so defense attorneys say that the lack of a
Speaker 5: warrant there at the McDonald's it made the surge and
Speaker 5: thethesure of the backpack illegal, and they're trying to keep
Speaker 5: it out. They're trying to keep the backpack and what
Speaker 5: was in it out of court. If they can take
Speaker 5: that potentially critical evidence out of either his state or
Speaker 5: his federal case, or both, then that they hope could
Speaker 5: knock a lot of the wind out of prosecutors sales.
Speaker 5: They also argued officers were too late mirandizing Mangioni. That's
Speaker 5: you know, telling him he has the right to remain silent,
Speaker 5: et cetera, and continue to popper him with questions after
Speaker 5: he already said he preferred to remain silent, as is
Speaker 5: his right. So now the judge in his federal case
Speaker 5: is going to give both sides to argue the issue
Speaker 5: out in court next week, and we'll have to see
Speaker 5: what the decision ultimately will be.
Speaker 2: It's interesting that a technicality could possibly mess up this
Speaker 2: this whole case here. But but I guess my question,
Speaker 2: Sash would be, what are the police supposed to do?
Speaker 2: I mean, they're trying to find this guy. He just
Speaker 2: shot somebody. I imagine there's a process of you're trying
Speaker 2: to wrest someone because you're you know, you're fearful they
Speaker 2: may do something else. Again, So what is the line
Speaker 2: between a police officer, you know, apprehended a guy and
Speaker 2: and his whatever he is, his belongings, and but been
Speaker 2: going by the book and making sure you have evidence
Speaker 2: and a warrant and all that sort.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's exactly right. And and and police and prosecutors
Speaker 5: have defended the search and seizure as completely lawful. We remember,
Speaker 5: folks there at that McDonald's saw this guy sitting there
Speaker 5: and thought they might recognize him based on his his
Speaker 5: bushy eyebrows. Remember that the suspect and images from surveillance
Speaker 5: footage at the time were splashed all over the news,
Speaker 5: and so they called it in. And and so when
Speaker 5: police are trying to catch somebody who's on the run
Speaker 5: for an allegedly violent crime, they want to make sure
Speaker 5: that there's no further threat to the public. And so
Speaker 5: they have defended removing the backpack from the immediate at
Speaker 5: least arm's length of Mangoni at the time, and we
Speaker 5: know that from bodycam footage, the folks there, the police
Speaker 5: they are unseen, wanted to make sure that, for example,
Speaker 5: there wasn't a bomb or anything else in the backpack.
Speaker 5: We know that they seized from the backpack that the
Speaker 5: alleged murder weapon, and that was a part of the
Speaker 5: point there. And they also say that a later a
Speaker 5: completely legal and lawful warrant what was something that enabled
Speaker 5: them to further search the backpack. But all of this
Speaker 5: is going to be litigated next week in court. And
Speaker 5: we also know that Al Tuni police officers not necessarily
Speaker 5: the ones who were there arresting Luigi on site, but
Speaker 5: they're going to have local officers there to testify to
Speaker 5: what their procedures are, what they had in place as
Speaker 5: far as policy when they searched the backpacks content.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's when I was wondering, and we're talking
Speaker 1: to Sasha Pesnik from ABC News, And one last thing,
Speaker 1: as Sasha, did he give himself up and just say
Speaker 1: I prefer not to talk Fifth Amendment and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: I don't remember how all that went.
Speaker 5: He initially prosecutors say, presented a fake ID when they
Speaker 5: further searched, Yeah, yeah, they searched the backpack. They ultimately
Speaker 5: arrested him there, read him his rights, and took him
Speaker 5: into custody. There's not much you can do from there.
Speaker 5: He did not surrender himself in so far as walking
Speaker 5: up to the police station and saying, hey, I hear
Speaker 5: you're looking for me. And again, you know, innocent until
Speaker 5: proven guilty, right yeah, yeah, all.
Speaker 1: Right, Well that Sasha, we will let you go. Thanks
Speaker 1: so much for joining.
Speaker 5: Us, you bet, you bet, thank you.
Speaker 2: Take care of.
Speaker 1: Sasha Pesnik from ABC. And you watch and see, man,
Speaker 1: that guy's going to get himself a good attorney, and
Speaker 1: he's gonna he's gonna wiggle. Like I said, he's gonna
Speaker 1: wiggle himself the least possible since he can get and
Speaker 1: he shot that man.
Speaker 2: Doesn't say that it's old blood video right again a
Speaker 2: technicality and having the money to have a good lawyer
Speaker 2: could possibly I mean, does he have money? Is that
Speaker 2: is that the deal? Or I have no idea.
Speaker 1: I think he does. Doesn't he come from a rich family.
Speaker 1: I don't remember that part.
Speaker 2: I don't remember party either, But.
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Speaker 2: is like the most popular girl on Only Fans last year.
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Speaker 2: Florida gubernatorial candidate, right, there's you know, a governor's race
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Speaker 2: a fifty quote sin tax on OnlyFans models. As governor
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Speaker 2: and uh, you know, of course just lashes out. And
Speaker 2: never in my life I think I would wake up
Speaker 2: and see a Florida politician trying to start beef with
Speaker 2: me for clout. So he's proposing a sin tax on
Speaker 2: on bops, which is what they are referred to in
Speaker 2: the industry.
Speaker 1: I've heard what oh no, what does that mean? Though
Speaker 1: that's there.
Speaker 2: I think it's just like us, no what bops? Bops? No,
Speaker 2: it's like a slang term for like a chick that
Speaker 2: does oh you know that does online content in the
Speaker 2: nude right?
Speaker 1: Oh I always, I just I just thought it was porn.
Speaker 2: But it's fine, well more or less when you would
Speaker 2: have to pay a fifty percent tax to the state
Speaker 2: on top of thirty seven I already pay to the
Speaker 2: government and guests who just I don't know, it's amazing.
Speaker 2: But anyway, it goes back and forth, back and forth.
Speaker 2: But uh again, this guy doesn't have any shot. I
Speaker 2: think Byron Daniels is gonna win that. But nevertheless, that's
Speaker 2: the proposition.
Speaker 1: And Miss Rain, well, you got to come out for
Speaker 1: you if you're the you know, there is an established
Speaker 1: front runner and you're trying to catch up, you got
Speaker 1: to come up with the new ideas, right and.
Speaker 2: And this guy's you know, Barry, he needs something to
Speaker 2: get his name I had never heard of. Again, what's
Speaker 2: his name?
Speaker 3: Again?
Speaker 4: Here?
Speaker 2: What's her name?
Speaker 1: More importantly, Sophie Rain and Sophie what like Rain like
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Speaker 1: James Fishback. So now people know James fish Back. I'm
Speaker 1: worried worry about that.
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Speaker 1: My wife has ugly feet, man, really, lord, I've never
Speaker 1: been a foot guy, No, me neither, but yeah, it
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Speaker 1: the news all though she was always wearing high heels.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I had an ex who she always wore high heels
Speaker 1: and her foot were feet were all kinds of gnarled up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I've been wearing gym shoes my whole life.
Speaker 1: My feet ain't pretty, but they don't look like that.
Speaker 2: How did that become popular for well, I mean throughout history, like,
Speaker 2: pointy feet have been a thing. I don't know why,
Speaker 2: but it's terrible on your feet. Terrible.
Speaker 1: Well, dude, back in the you know, in my seventies
Speaker 1: disco days, you know, we had those Elton John stacked
Speaker 1: heeled things. That's what that was, the high thing platform heels.
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Speaker 1: six on a good day, so me wearing two inch heels, Okay,
Speaker 1: that would that would work going in there and trying
Speaker 1: to pick up a chick. But you know I had,
Speaker 1: you know, my one buddies Like he's as tall as
Speaker 1: you are, maybe even taller. He's like six six four
Speaker 1: six five, and uh, you know I was like, dude,
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Speaker 1: even look at you. You look like, you know, something
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Speaker 2: Let it go, bro.
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Speaker 2: Well, here here's a you know, a picture right here.
Speaker 1: Let me see just right quick, just a quick sample size.
Speaker 2: Well that's a very modest that's you know, that's.
Speaker 1: Uh that's got Rocky written all over it.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, well during the break you can look at
Speaker 2: it more.
Speaker 1: All right, cool and let me uh, I'll do a
Speaker 1: deep dive if you know what I mean. Uh, but
Speaker 1: that's during traffic and weather.
Speaker 2: What's going on