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Speaker 1: All right, back with Eddie and Rocky and Rocky we're

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Speaker 1: heating up all over the world in this great country

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Speaker 2: Yes, and obviously a lot going on here in America,

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Speaker 2: you know, ice protests and all that sort of nonsense,

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Speaker 2: But from a global standpoint, there is a potential revolution

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Speaker 2: going on in Iran, and even today Iranians are on

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Speaker 2: the streets, you know, fighting back against the you know,

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Speaker 2: the Islamic state that's that controls the country right now,

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Speaker 2: and there's the potential for that government to get ever

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Speaker 2: thrown And it's kind of a mint a minute thing here,

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Speaker 2: but certainly big news.

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Speaker 1: He is an associate professor of polyscience political science at U.

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Speaker 3: See.

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Speaker 1: He's been with us many times, but it's been a while,

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Speaker 1: doctor Brenda Green. Welcome back to the program.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: So, doctor Green, what exactly are we looking at there?

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Speaker 1: The last body and this is sad to say, this

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Speaker 1: earlier in the day. It was over twenty five hundred

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Speaker 1: protesters were been basically murdered by the regime over there.

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Speaker 4: That's right. I think that we don't have firm body

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Speaker 4: of Iran right now, but I've seen estimates ranging from

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Speaker 2: So Iran was i almost to say, a free state

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Speaker 2: until nineteen seventy nine, but that's when you know, the

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Speaker 2: Islamics they took over, right, So they've been under that

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Speaker 2: rule for a long time. What has sparked this revolution?

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Speaker 2: Why now? Why is this the time when the Iranian

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Speaker 4: Well, there have been a series of protests in Iran

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Speaker 4: dating back to the late nineties for a bunch of

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Speaker 4: in December because the value of the Iranian currency against

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Speaker 4: But there's been long running dissatisfaction with the regime and

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Speaker 1: Well, and we're talking to doctor Brendan Green from uc And,

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Speaker 1: and Brendan, weren't they at some stage of the game.

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Speaker 1: It seems to me, maybe I'm thinking of a Rack

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Speaker 1: was that Iraq or was that Iran? I don't know,

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Speaker 4: Well, the broader trend is that Muslim societies in general

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Speaker 2: So when you're talking about an uprising by the people,

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Speaker 4: I think in the short term, very little chances. You know,

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you do not think that Israel is going

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Speaker 4: Not with ground forces. They might assassinate some people, they

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Speaker 4: but no one. Everyone, I think has learned the lesson

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Speaker 4: of these Middle Eastern countries far away in a place

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Speaker 4: you don't understand and don't know how to rule, is

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Speaker 1: We're talking to doctor Brendan Green from UC and DON.

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Speaker 1: One of the things I saw is that iranaz is

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Speaker 4: Well? I think that if the United States or Israel

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Speaker 4: of this, which is that the Israelis hit Iran, the

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Speaker 4: I definitely expect American targets in the region to get hit.

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Speaker 2: I saw State TV they broadcast a picture of Trump

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, I think that there was an assassination

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Speaker 4: but but it certainly won't be costless if Iran keeps

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Speaker 2: What sort of state is I state?

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Speaker 3: Where?

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Speaker 2: Where where as I ran right now with you know,

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Speaker 2: was it June of last year?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 2: The United States bomb three nuclear facilities? Is that crippled

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Speaker 4: It's very hard to tell. But what I can say

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Speaker 4: could be that the intelligence community is just keeping very

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Speaker 1: Doctor Brennan Green from you see one last question for me,

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Speaker 1: in the next I don't know, six eight, nine months,

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 4: I think that the Iranian regime will keep shooting until

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Speaker 4: the Iyatola is old. There will be a leadership transition

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Speaker 4: at some point. The Iranian economy is posed, and that's

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Speaker 2: Well, well, yeah, and if you know, they get rid

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: They're not all of a sudden to say, you know what, protesters, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Like, yeah, the whole has to be for a situation

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Speaker 1: With that, Doctor Brendan Green, we will let you go.

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Speaker 1: Always a pleasure, sir, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: The pleasure is mine, gentlemen, Doc.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Eddie and Rocky. All right, here we go

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Speaker 2: on this day in history, January fourteenth, nineteen fifty four.

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Speaker 2: And I believe they seg broke in during Willie's show

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Speaker 2: when this news broke in nineteen fifty four, Marilyn Monroe

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Speaker 2: marries Joe Dumagio. Ah, yeah, and what a wonderful I

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Speaker 2: think it was two hundred and seventy two hundred and

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Speaker 2: seventy four days it was. It's all lasted.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, he was apparently really nutty. Well, and you

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Speaker 1: marry Look, if you're going to marry a nutty chick,

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Speaker 1: you gotta you know you're marrying a nutty chick, right,

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Speaker 1: But she was beautiful. She was beautiful, and apparently she

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Speaker 1: her role. But yeah, very smart. But Demaggio was apparently

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Speaker 2: Look it's not mid, but she's not like just actually

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Speaker 1: I I've told you the story. My girlfriend in college.

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Speaker 1: And that's what I'm saying. And she showed up mkie.

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Speaker 1: So rock I. What do you like more than anything

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Speaker 3: Women? Oh no?

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Speaker 2: Sorry? A world record?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Boom, you hit it. Second, guess I have the ten

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Speaker 2: How did this? How did I skip over this? I

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Speaker 1: We talked about this before. The woman that broke the

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Speaker 2: Who decided that was shocking, shockingly fast.

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Speaker 1: Fastest time to clear a game of hungry, hungry hippos

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Speaker 2: These Oh and this guy. I love this.

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Speaker 1: I saw the picture of this dude, sweetest guy. Martin

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Speaker 1: Struby Uh broke the record for the most matches held

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Speaker 1: Mister Throby was able to hold eighty one stick matches

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: How many?

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Speaker 1: Inserting a seven hundred eleven teas in her hair out

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Speaker 2: Jeez? Sis, see what is the I wonder if and

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Speaker 2: How about?

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Speaker 1: I don't even know where he's from. It doesn't say

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Speaker 2: I can see that there's some talent. That's the third

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Speaker 2: in other words, he broke it, or he said it

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Speaker 2: Let's go back to the training.

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Speaker 1: And finally, farthest eyeball pop male category, A guy in UH.

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Speaker 1: Now I've Cidney Sweeney walked in here with you know,

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Speaker 2: What's up? All right? Back with Eddie and Rocky Rob

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Speaker 2: We got a guess, yes and big news I was

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Speaker 2: yesterday the day before. Mike Tomlin is quote stepping down

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Speaker 2: unquote after nineteen seasons, never a losing season in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 2: What's his next move? What's the next move of the Steelers?

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Speaker 2: And I want to bring on a guy we've we've talked.

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Speaker 2: It's been a little while but since we've talked to him,

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Speaker 2: but Adam Crowley does a great job at ninety three

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Speaker 2: to seven the fan in Pittsburgh. Adam, how are you, brother?

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Speaker 3: Oh, I'm great, Rocky, it's good to talk to you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely so. So what I guess was the what

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Speaker 3: I think the vast majority of Steelers fans, those that

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say, Adam, I bet you were able

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Speaker 1: Three hours they're taking a nap, right there, Son, Just

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Speaker 3: That's right, you said, what has it been a day

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Speaker 3: Tomlin backers are are admitting finally that it was time.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't mean that Mike Tomlin didn't do a good

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Speaker 3: say that Mike Tomlin got more out of less, he's

440
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 3: also in charge of the personnel decisions. That's never been

441
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Speaker 3: publicly stated. It's not like it's next to his job title.

442
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 3: But he's got more power than anybody in the organization

443
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,120
Speaker 3: not named Art Rooney the second. And as he's accrued

444
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 3: more power there was ulci fated. It's not all that

445
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 3: dissimilar from Bill Belichick, who was a great coach, but

446
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 3: maybe not the player evaluator the equivalents of his head

447
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 3: coaching abilities.

448
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 1: So what is well, let's talk about Let's talk about

449
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:20,439
Speaker 1: Tomlin's future here now, Adam. The big chat is that

450
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 1: he's going to go into TV, and everybody think he's

451
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,719
Speaker 1: a natural for that. I don't see Tomlin doing that.

452
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 1: I do, do you really? I don't know, Adam, your

453
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Speaker 1: thoughts on that, because I never thought of him as

454
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Speaker 1: a personal guy. He always looked like a guy who

455
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 1: wanted to bite your head off anytime anybody talked to him.

456
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Speaker 1: But I thought that about Coward too, and he's really

457
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:41,679
Speaker 1: good on television.

458
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Speaker 3: I think Tomlin would be even better than Coward, and

459
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Speaker 3: I agree, I think Coward's good. I think in the

460
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:54,639
Speaker 3: local media we don't get the best of Mike. He

461
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,919
Speaker 3: he doesn't. He says that, let's just say for the

462
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 3: Jay Glazers and the rich Eyesens, the national media members

463
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 3: world and I get it to an extent, but he's

464
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 3: a lot more colorful with them. He is a very

465
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 3: funny man behind the scenes, and an entertaining guy, and

466
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 3: a good storyteller and He's incredibly bright and sharp and witty.

467
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 3: I think if he put his mind to it, he'd

468
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 3: be really good at television. I mean, he obviously knows

469
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 3: the game. That part will be the easy part. The

470
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 3: thing is, I don't know if he'll have the time

471
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Speaker 3: to put in all the efforts to be great at television,

472
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Speaker 3: because I think it would be a brief stay. I

473
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 3: think he's absolutely addicted to competition. The way he came

474
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 3: off the field after Tyler lut missed that field goal

475
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:43,400
Speaker 3: for the Ravens, I just can't imagine him not wanting

476
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Speaker 3: to coach and feel that competitiveness every single day and

477
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 3: then times one hundred on Sundays. I think he'll be

478
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Speaker 3: in the league, probably not next year. In fact, I

479
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 3: bet a lot of money he wouldn't, But I think

480
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 3: by twenty twenty seven he's back coaching someplace else.

481
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Speaker 2: So I mean, what do you ultimately think. Does he

482
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Speaker 2: do a year in television because any network is going

483
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Speaker 2: to pay him whatever it takes to have him on,

484
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,400
Speaker 2: because again I think he'd be great, And then yeah,

485
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 2: just during that year, does the research on who's going

486
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,919
Speaker 2: to need a coach and what's the quarterback situation and

487
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,679
Speaker 2: what's the personnel situation, just does all the backwork and

488
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 2: uses a lot of these guys. They use their access

489
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 2: to different different franchises to be able to kind of

490
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 2: do almost a job search and kind of look under

491
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 2: the hood a little bit. Is that kind of what

492
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Speaker 2: you imagine happening with Tomlin?

493
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Speaker 3: Absolutely? And I think he wants to go to a

494
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 3: place with a quarterback. I think he's tired. I mean,

495
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 3: who doesn't, but he's tired of the whole Mary go

496
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 3: Rounds thing. Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, Mitch Drubisky, we could

497
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 3: name them all. It would take all day. I think

498
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 3: he wants to go to a place with the quarterback.

499
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Speaker 3: I think he thinks he can win an elite level

500
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 3: in this league. But you need that one element. The

501
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 3: tricky part is if he were to want to coach

502
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 3: this year, then the Steelers would be able to get compensation.

503
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 3: They would have to trade Tomlin to whichever franchise wanted

504
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 3: his services. If it's in twenty twenty seven, I've talked

505
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 3: to so many people about this, including Mike Floria was

506
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 3: on our station today from Pro Football Talk. We have

507
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 3: no idea what happens in twenty twenty seven because nobody

508
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,959
Speaker 3: can get their hands on a copy of the contract,

509
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 3: and the Steelers had an option that they could pick

510
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 3: up in May of this year. I don't know if

511
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 3: they could pick the option up if he resigned. Probably not,

512
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 3: And so are they going to have his rights then?

513
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 3: If not, he'd be free to go anywhere, which I

514
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 3: think would potentially open up a situation in Cincinnati.

515
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 2: Maybe, huh with Joe Burrow, Well, I mean, any coach

516
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 2: looks at a play if number one thing, do they

517
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 2: have the quarterback? And boy, they sure have one here,

518
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 2: no doubt, depending on what what happened. Let me back

519
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 2: up a little bit at him. So, yeah, so he

520
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 2: stepped down. So talk about the semantics like, so by

521
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 2: stepping down, he's able to get paid by them? Is

522
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 2: that why he chose to do that? Why would he

523
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 2: not say, you know what, if we're going to do this,

524
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 2: fire me okay, and then I can go get a

525
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 2: job this this next coming year.

526
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Speaker 3: As I understand it, if they had fired him, they'd

527
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 3: have to pay him, okay. And if they'd fire him,

528
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 3: he would also be able to go wherever he wanted,

529
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 3: And that was that was never going to happen. They

530
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 3: were never going to cut him loose. Art Rooney, the

531
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 3: second Steelers team president owner, spoke today and he was

532
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 3: asked specifically about that extra year, that option year that

533
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 3: I was just talking about, and he was pretty deftined

534
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 3: answering the question. He said, well, I anticipated Mike was

535
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 3: going to come back in twenty twenty six, so I

536
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 3: don't know that he ever would have picked up the

537
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 3: option on Mike Tomlin. But unless Mike stepped the way,

538
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 3: he was going to be their coach next year for

539
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 3: at least one more season.

540
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 2: So this was Mike initiating. Initiated this. He's the one

541
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 2: who said I do not want to be the head

542
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 2: coach for the Steelers anymore.

543
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 3: Right, Yes. And Art Runny the second today said that

544
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 3: he thinks this was a family decision and not a

545
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 3: football decision. I am cynical and I don't ever believe

546
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 3: anything anybody says, and I think there's probably some truth

547
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 3: in both realms. I mean, from a football standpoint, he

548
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 3: kept hitting his head on the wildcard round and from

549
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 3: a personal standpoint, when you do that and you got

550
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 3: fans chanting for your firing, and your family's probably hearing

551
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 3: it when they go out to dinner the supermarket. Maybe

552
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 3: it is just time for a fresh start, because it

553
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 3: could get pretty ugly around here. Things don't go well,

554
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 3: and for us around here, spoiled as we may be,

555
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 3: winning ten games and going to the playoffs every other

556
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 3: year isn't enough if you're not winning those playoff games.

557
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 2: All right, So let's move in, by the way, Adam

558
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 2: Crowley of a ninety three to seven the fan in Pittsburgh,

559
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 2: So let's spin it forward here. Who who's the coach

560
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 2: that the Steelers want? And who do you think it's

561
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 2: going to be.

562
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 5: Well.

563
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 3: I don't think any of this reporting nationally for the

564
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 3: last three or so weeks has been by accident. I mean,

565
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 3: there was a ton of reports from the Glazers of

566
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:33,959
Speaker 3: the world that Mike Tomlin, hey, maybe he is considering television. Well.

567
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 3: At the same time, Albert Breer wrote a story, Hey,

568
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 3: if something did happen with Mike Tomlin, They've got their

569
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 3: eyes on Chris Shula, who obviously has the shool of

570
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 3: blood and he is the defensive coordinator of the Los

571
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 3: Angeles Rams. I think that's the most likely guy they

572
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 3: have an mo although I mean it's it's tough to

573
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 3: say that because they hire a coach you know, once

574
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 3: a generation. But Chuck Noll thirty seven and a defensive

575
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 3: coordinator for the Baltimore Colts, Mike tom a defensive coordinator

576
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 3: the Minnesota Vikings, and then Bill Cower is the defensive

577
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:15,239
Speaker 3: coordinator of the Cleveland Browns. I think that's ideally how

578
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 3: they want to play ball. They want to play defense,

579
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 3: they want to run the football, and it is no

580
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 3: secret around these parts. And I don't think this is

581
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 3: unique to Pittsburgh, but I think the Steelers organization is

582
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 3: enamored with the success of the Rams organization, and it

583
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 3: wouldn't shock me if Shula were the higher They've already

584
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 3: put in a request to interview him and the passing

585
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 3: game coordinator there, Nate. I'm going to make this sound

586
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 3: so Pittsburgh easy. Nate sheiel Hass is a guy that

587
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 3: I think they'd be interested in as well. They're interviewing him.

588
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 3: I'm not sure if he'd be a head coach, he's

589
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 3: a little early in his developmental curve, but perhaps his

590
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 3: offensive coordinator. But I bet good money on one of

591
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 3: those two guys, and then potentially Brian Flores, the Vikings

592
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 3: defensive coordinator. He was here not long ago as a

593
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 3: linebacker's coach, and people in the building loved him, though

594
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 3: I've heard he could rub people the wrong way if

595
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 3: he stays beyond the year.

596
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: Well, Adam, let me just tell you, we here in

597
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: Cincinnati would just give you a word of warning. Counting

598
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: on the Shula coaching tree. We've lived it, been there

599
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: and done that. So anyways, just a word of warning too.

600
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll tell you what. I don't the family lineage thing.

601
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 3: It never really did it for me. It absolutely does

602
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 3: it for them. I mean, they've got two Haywards, they

603
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 3: had all the Tarrell Edmunds brothers, they've I mean, they

604
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,239
Speaker 3: just they're obsessed with lineage. They have Mark Brunner, who

605
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 3: is a former tight end son on the team right now,

606
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 3: and he plays seven snaps the game. He runs down

607
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 3: and tackles people on kickoffs. We all thought Tom was

608
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 3: gonna draft his kids, so it wouldn't It wouldn't surprise

609
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 3: me if they went went with some family ties. But

610
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 3: there's always a Kubiak out there too, so maybe they

611
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 3: can get one of the six Kubiaks.

612
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 2: But I guess what I'm saying is it makes sense

613
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 2: given the Steelers history, they would want to go after

614
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 2: a defensive guy. But a lot of the popular opinion

615
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 2: in the media, and you tell me if it's the

616
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 2: popular opinion in Pittsburgh is it's been the offense, right,

617
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,760
Speaker 2: the offense for a while, and you know that they

618
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 2: need more of an offensive minded guy to get more

619
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 2: creative on offense. So what do you think. What are

620
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 2: the people in Pittsburgh think? Do they are they fine

621
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 2: with a defensive guy and Chris Schuler, or do they

622
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:40,720
Speaker 2: want more of an offensive minded head coach.

623
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 3: People here won an offensive guy. I think the organization

624
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 3: wal lean defense, but the vast majority of the fan

625
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 3: base won an offensive guy. I'm okay with either. Or

626
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 3: I look at the eight teams that are left in

627
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 3: the divisional round, and four of the head coaches are

628
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 3: offensive slant. Before the coaches are of a defensive slant.

629
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 3: You look at the statistics and this just in. To

630
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 3: be playing on Divisional round weekend, you got to be

631
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 3: good on offense and defense. Most of these teams are

632
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 3: top ten or near top ten in both, So I

633
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 3: think there's multiple ways to get it done. I think

634
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 3: ideally people around here would won an offensive coach, but

635
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 3: if you hire the right defensive coach who hires good coordinators,

636
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 3: that can work too. But people are pretty sick of

637
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 3: watching the brand a ball we've seen here the last

638
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 3: five years, which more often than not, and there were

639
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 3: moments this year was good, but more often than not

640
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 3: has been three yards, a cloud of dust, and then

641
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 3: a punt.

642
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 1: All right, Adam, let me one final question from us,

643
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 1: how about how did you get meat you guys feel about?

644
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: I think it's obvious to everyone that it was Aaron Rodgers'

645
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: last down in Pittsburgh and basically telling you guys to

646
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: go f yourself the other day and walking out of

647
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:58,800
Speaker 1: the press conference.

648
00:35:59,200 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 2: How did that go for?

649
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it. I mean he's not coming back. If

650
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 3: Mike Tomlin came back, I think that door was open

651
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 3: because there's not a lot of good free agent quarterbacks

652
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 3: out there. It's still early. I mean there's pro days

653
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 3: and things of that. Nature of the draft class doesn't

654
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 3: look all that on inspiring. So I think Tomlin, if

655
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 3: he were the guy, he'd have wanted Rogers to come back.

656
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 3: And I think Rogers, if he played, would have been

657
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 3: amenable to coming back. There's no chance that happens now.

658
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 3: Rogers loved Tomlin. Tomlin loved Rogers, and with no Tomlin,

659
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 3: there shall be no Rogers. And I'm kind of bumped because,

660
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 3: my god, that I love covering the guy.

661
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 2: How fun was that? I mean every day was an adventure?

662
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:48,280
Speaker 3: Right? It really was the best possible scenario for Steelers fans,

663
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 3: myself included this year, because they wound up going to

664
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 3: the playoffs. They beat the Ravens twice. Mike Tomlin left,

665
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 3: but it's not messy because he didn't get fired and

666
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 3: he could go on and be happy. We could be

667
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 3: happy in Rogers roller coaster. Man, it's a it's a blast.

668
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 3: And I cannot wait for like, from what's it gonna

669
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 3: be like three weeks probably or something like that from

670
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 3: now for him to get on the Pat mac off

671
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 3: his show and he's gonna do his tell all and

672
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 3: we're gonna hear all this stuff. That's exactly right. I

673
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 3: cannot wait.

674
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 2: That's the best. Well, Adam, you're the best man. We

675
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 2: really appreciated great having you back on and happy to

676
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 2: come on and talk some Bengals on your show one day,

677
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 2: But thank you for coming on and shorting this allf man,

678
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 2: We really appreciate it.

679
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 3: I would love it, buddy, appreciate it. Guys. You have

680
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 3: a great day.

681
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 2: Thanks keep Sam.

682
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't even imagine covering that Aaron Rodgers fan,

683
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 1: that's right there. That's a trip. I'm sure suffering largely.

684
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder what the latest. You know, there's always

685
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 2: like some controverse here, some you know, first world problem

686
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 2: thing went on a while ago. It was, you know,

687
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 2: they had like a frozen custard dispenser and it was

688
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 2: like strawberry vanilla and chocolate. But when you wanted chocolate,

689
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 2: sometimes there would be a little just a smidgen of

690
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 2: strawberry leftover, and people were just losing their minds. What

691
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 2: are we? What the hell are we? I am I

692
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 2: do not have to put up with a little bit

693
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 2: of strawberry ice cream on top of my chocolate.

694
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: Now, where am I an animal? Where he lives? I

695
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: can't even imagine the bitch the quality and the amount

696
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: of bitchiness that goes on. Because we have a timeshare

697
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 1: in Sarasota. Yeah, it's just like where Willie lives, trust me.

698
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: Uh and just some of the stuff that people complain about,

699
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 1: you know, we did found some uh find some mouse

700
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 1: droppings in our condo. Well guess what, they've been tearing

701
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: down buildings all around this place. We guess where they're

702
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:58,240
Speaker 1: going to come to the standing building that's right next door,

703
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: right like we're doing. They we can we come in

704
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,919
Speaker 1: and we spray all the time. Okay, cool, No, it's

705
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: not like there was a little doll up of strawberry

706
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 1: frozen yogurt in my chocolate telling you just you know,

707
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: just the first world problems. Yeah, we'll deal with him

708
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 1: shortly now, rock beck In Beck In our younger days,

709
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: my younger days and and yours as well, I know

710
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 1: used to do you would somebody would say, hey, have

711
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 1: a shot or do this right? You just I I

712
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 1: was down in Florida, and I know it was a

713
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: thing here too, But I remember being down in Florida

714
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: one time, and it was Bubba the Love Sponge.

715
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 2: You remember Bubba. I remember. I feel like that guy

716
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 2: was like like a comet, Like he just came about

717
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 2: and was like the biggest thing ever and then kind

718
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 2: of poof gone.

719
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: He was here for a little bit, but he was

720
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: really big in Florida for a while.

721
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

722
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 1: So I got to know Bubba a little bit, and

723
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 1: I was down there for a station thing.

724
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,240
Speaker 2: Now, was he gone in like the afternoon on EBN

725
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:04,879
Speaker 2: or something and you were in the morning.

726
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: He was in the evening. He was like seven to

727
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: midnight or something.

728
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 2: Redneck Monday and yeah, yeah, no parents Thursday correct, Yeah, yeah,

729
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 2: and it's good to see you. Didn't listen much, but

730
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 2: he uh, you know, that was his home, his home base,

731
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 2: and so he was doing an appearance at a bar.

732
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 2: So the Dolphin and I were down there, remember Finn

733
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 2: and Finn and I went out and saw him, and

734
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 2: you know, he's showing us just first class street, but

735
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 2: you guys come in, you know, da da da, this

736
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 2: and that and the other. Put us behind the velvet rope,

737
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 2: which was basically like being at Hooters, but we had

738
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 2: our own booth and and so he's like, you guys

739
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 2: got to try the this first time I'd seen it,

740
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 2: but like I said, I had seen I saw him

741
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 2: in town here afterwards. But flaming doctor Peppers? Did you

742
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,399
Speaker 2: ever drink that I have had one of those?

743
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 3: Dude?

744
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 2: Is that hold on?

745
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 3: Is that?

746
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 2: Is that one lit on fire and dropped into a yeah,

747
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 2: root beer something?

748
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I forget, I forget exactly what it is, but yeah,

749
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: there's uh, there's fire involved, and and I drank a

750
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,399
Speaker 1: couple of those, and I don't remember much the rest

751
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 1: of the night, but it was kind of intense.

752
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, flaming shot of amaretto and overproof rum into a

753
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 2: glass of beer, extinguishing the flame, creating a sweet root

754
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 2: beer like taste. So I was I was on the

755
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,839
Speaker 2: right track, right, yeah, yeah, so yeah. It was one

756
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 2: fifty one, which is flammable obviously, and lo ameretto bloom

757
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 2: dropping in the beer.

758
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: Go I've had it, Okay, Well, let's do it here

759
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: in Russia, it's a go figure. Thirty eight year old

760
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: guy named doesn't have his last name, named SERGEI, was

761
00:41:54,719 --> 00:42:00,320
Speaker 1: taking part in a Christmas party at a place there

762
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: called the Game of Tables Cooking Studio in Moscow. I

763
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 1: guess it was a company rented this place out or something.

764
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 1: He was rushed to surgery after drinking a cocktail that

765
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 1: ruptured his stomach. And this guy's this guy is still

766
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: in the hospital by the way. We listen to this.

767
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 1: Then the drink he had not a flaming doctor pepper,

768
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: Oh no, it was a liquid nitrogen infused drink that

769
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: was part of their Cairo show that the chefs were

770
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: showing off and you know liquid nitrogen. Yeah, that's what

771
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:43,919
Speaker 1: they were. Yeah, kind of cold. They used the blah

772
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: blah blah, and it provides dramatic effect and stuff. In

773
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: case you've never seen this stuff, it's very intense. So

774
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: it expands into a gas and as it gets to

775
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: room temperature and you see all the smoke and all

776
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:02,280
Speaker 1: that rigmarole. Well this dude just goes, oh, I'm good,

777
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: picks it up and throws it down with the liquid

778
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: nitrogen before it had dissolved into his stomach.

779
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:10,919
Speaker 2: God, that's rough.

780
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, And witnesses there claimed that they were given no

781
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: warnings by the shift that the cocktail was dangerous. Guess

782
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: what if somebody says that's really there is something damaging

783
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: in there, don't drink it, And I'm like, oh, wi

784
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: should be I'm cool. All right, back with that idian, Rocky.

785
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: It is Wednesday round about this time, rock and that

786
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: means it is time for a Wednesday with Willy being

787
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: brought to you by Joseph Chevrolet.

788
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 2: Yes, and well, we wanted to hit you with this.

789
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 2: I'm sure you've heard about the double homicide in Columbus, Monica.

790
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 2: Teppe thirty nine, Spencer Teppee thirty seven last week, and

791
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,879
Speaker 2: we'd actually talked to Tanya about it, and not much

792
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 2: about the case had been broken. But I guess now

793
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 2: the brother or no, the former husband is the one

794
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 2: that's a suspect in this. So I was just wondering,

795
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 2: you know, in your illustrious past legal career, you ever

796
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:18,720
Speaker 2: a part of any high profile cases or sinister type

797
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 2: cases similar to Nation one.

798
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 6: Yes, Manie Well Well, when this broke, I spoke to

799
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 6: a dentist friend of mine, and the dental community at

800
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 6: that level was somewhat limited a number, and I was

801
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 6: told that the police early on was looking at a

802
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 6: former lover, not necessarily a husband of the wife as

803
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 6: the likely party because of some information. And so when

804
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 6: the former husband slash lover was arrested, it wasn't much

805
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 6: of a shock to the dental community. But what it

806
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 6: said is is that this couple, she quickly divorced him.

807
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 6: They were married only for like a year eighteen months,

808
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 6: and it was kind of a nasty divorce. He did

809
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 6: not want to let her go. And then in his mind,

810
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 6: which I don't know if it's true or not, that

811
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,879
Speaker 6: in the divorce guy's mind, she was shall we say,

812
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 6: less than faithful to her to him during the marriage,

813
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 6: which may be a lie, but that's what he believed.

814
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 6: The killer believed that somehow this other guy was in

815
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 6: the picture before he was out of the picture. And

816
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 6: I have no information other than rumor and hearsay and

817
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 6: indicate that's accurate or not. But whenever someone like that

818
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 6: is killed, the first people you look at are former husbands,

819
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,800
Speaker 6: it's former lovers, it's someone in the circle of friends.

820
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 6: Anonymous killings happened, but they're extremely rare. So the police

821
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 6: in Columbus quickly, according to when they talked to family

822
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 6: members and friends of the wife, said, take a look

823
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 6: at that guy right there, he's the guy.

824
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 2: And so in.

825
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 6: Today's world, because of the cell phones and because of

826
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 6: things like that the ping, they could put him in

827
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 6: pretty close contact if assuming he didn't his phone on,

828
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 6: and from that developed the case. And uh, I think

829
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:06,879
Speaker 6: it's it's a whrror, but but it's a good thing

830
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 6: he didn't. He didn't kill the offspring, the one in

831
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 6: the three year old or four year old made it

832
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 6: through this, and it's awful, it's terrible, And these are

833
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 6: the reasons you need a death penalty and torture before death.

834
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 6: This guy that did that to that family needs to

835
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 6: spend at least to the rest of his life in

836
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 6: prison beating sheriff burgers and at a minimum, at a maximum,

837
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 6: he should be upside down, hung and beaten and and

838
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 6: then killed.

839
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 2: Because that that's awful.

840
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 6: That's that's that's unbelievable.

841
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 1: Well, Willie on the flip side of the coin, and

842
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 1: we were also talking about what's the the guy naming

843
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:46,760
Speaker 1: the New York Mangeoniah, do you okay you're in charge

844
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 1: of defending that guy or this guy? How do you

845
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 1: approach that from knowing? I mean, there's there legit is

846
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,879
Speaker 1: video of that guy shooting the guy in New York

847
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: and this guy he's placed at the scene, his cars there,

848
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: his car was there, then his car was gone after

849
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:10,240
Speaker 1: the crime. How do you, as a defense attorney defend

850
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 1: something like that?

851
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 6: So different cases. Luigi has thousands of supporters who have

852
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 6: raised him millions of dollars who believe it was a

853
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 6: justified homicide. Now, you might not be able to sell

854
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 6: that to a jury in Warren County or in Boon County,

855
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 6: but you might be able to have one recoucildron juror

856
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 6: in New York City say, you know what, I've had

857
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 6: some medical bills that weren't paid, and I've had circumstances

858
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 6: and with insurance companies did not allow me to have

859
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 6: a procedure that cost me my life or cost me

860
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 6: my limbs. And so they're hoping for one or two

861
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 6: recoucitrant jurors that are going to say, we're not going

862
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 6: to convict him of aggravated murder first to re murder

863
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 6: in New York, We're not going to do that. And

864
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 6: that's what you're hoping for. Plus temporary insanity, that is

865
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 6: that he was driven crazy by the back problems Luigi

866
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 6: was having. He sought treatment and care for it in

867
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 6: Owaii in other places. He was a traveling man and

868
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 6: he kept having these medical difficulties and couldn't get the

869
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,320
Speaker 6: insurance companies. I'm not sure as the one that the

870
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 6: decedent was a CEO of, but nonetheless he had angst

871
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 6: against the insurance company and he hit other people on

872
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 6: the list he was going to kill. It wasn't just

873
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 6: that CEO United, He had other CEOs he was looking for,

874
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 6: much like a chapman trying to who killed John Lennon

875
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 6: had other names on.

876
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 2: The list to kill.

877
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 6: And so so in that case, you say, look, we

878
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 6: admit he did it, but it was justified. Now in

879
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 6: this case, I don't think there's hundreds of people going

880
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 6: to raise money for this murderer and going to march

881
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 6: around the courthouse hoping this guy set free. And so

882
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 6: in that case, again you're looking for temporary insanity, which is,

883
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 6: assuming they have factually that he actually did it, you'd

884
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 6: have to go into some insanity defense, which rarely works

885
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 6: because assuming the murderer and the dentist and co Columbus

886
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,800
Speaker 6: got into a car, mental acuity to start the car,

887
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 6: he followed traffic violations or not had stop signs, his

888
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 6: mind worked, he stopped, he saw the red light, he stopped,

889
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 6: he saw a green light, he went. And if he

890
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,879
Speaker 6: had a gun, there's an operational aspect to that. Did

891
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 6: he operate the gun? What is his mind connecting with reality?

892
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 6: The answer was yes, he connected with reality up until

893
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 6: the point he claims when he killed two innocent people

894
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,919
Speaker 6: in that home. And so that's why insanity. And I've

895
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 6: had fifteen or twenty insanity defenses, and I had one

896
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 6: that worked out of fifteen or eighteen, and her name

897
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 6: was Dorothy Shirley Andrews. And because she I won't say

898
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 6: what she did to her baby, but it was so

899
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 6: out of whack that the juror said, she's not guilty

900
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 6: by reason of insanity. And that doesn't mean you're free.

901
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 6: It means you go to a mental hospital until you're

902
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 6: restored to sanity, which may never happen. Now, others stays

903
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 6: like Kentucky is guilty but insane, which is factually the

904
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 6: committed the offense. But then we're going to treat them

905
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 6: for the mental illness. And once they have sucessfully in

906
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 6: sured a so called mental illness, then you go to prison.

907
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 6: Ohio doesn't have that. Ohio's MGRI owt to be updated.

908
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 6: But in Ohio, if you're classically found not guilty by

909
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 6: reason of insanity, you could be locked up for one

910
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 6: year or fifty years, depending upon how long it takes

911
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:19,399
Speaker 6: to restore your mind to sanity. And so the two

912
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 6: cases are fundamentally different. And Luigi has supporters the murder

913
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 6: and Columbus I would assume has no supporter.

914
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:31,319
Speaker 1: I would assume that as well. Now, because we talked

915
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 1: to somebody not too long ago Rock who was talking

916
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 1: about the insanity defense and will to your point, you

917
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 1: really have to be so far out there that people

918
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 1: can look at you and go, Okay, that person is

919
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: nuts because a lot of it because you always hear like, oh,

920
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 1: he's going to plead insanity. Well, I mean it's not

921
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: as easy as that sounds.

922
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 2: I mean, to your.

923
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:56,359
Speaker 6: Point, under the McNaughton rule and other rules, you have

924
00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 6: to show that the person was incapable the conforming ishavior

925
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 6: to the dictates of the law, did not know the

926
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:05,760
Speaker 6: difference between right and wrong. For example, if you shoot

927
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 6: someone believing them to be a coke machine and you

928
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 6: want to get a sprite, and somehow you shoot that

929
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 6: person thinking they are you can get a root beer

930
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:15,919
Speaker 6: out of the machine and the person as a human

931
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 6: being not a piece of metal. Those are the cases

932
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 6: that might succeed. But even then, normally a person at

933
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 6: before the moment of the killing takes place, you have

934
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,879
Speaker 6: conformed your behavior, did the dictates of law all day,

935
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 6: You've done all these things in which your mind was

936
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 6: connected to reality, and all of a sudden you claim

937
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 6: you had a snap. Those things hardly ever work, I

938
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 6: think in Hamley County's history, there's less than three ngris

939
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 6: because jurors don't buy it, and prosecutors can demonstrate this

940
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 6: guy did conform his behavior to the law by doing

941
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,320
Speaker 6: all these ten twelve things ahead of time that indicated

942
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,760
Speaker 6: he knew reality, and all of a sudden he snapped

943
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 6: and didn't know reality, and then he escaped, and the

944
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:01,439
Speaker 6: murder in Columbus, after the murders were committed, he did

945
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 6: things to secrete himself. His mind was in contact with reality,

946
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 6: he knew what he had done, and then spent time.

947
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 1: To get away.

948
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 6: Those are the acts of a sane person, and so

949
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 6: that's even more difficult. And so his best opportunity is

950
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,840
Speaker 6: to plee out and maybe get life without possibility of parole,

951
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 6: or maybe parole after thirty.

952
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 2: Or forty years. So, not to go on a tangent,

953
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 2: but you were talking about Ohio and the death penalty.

954
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 2: Do you know when and who the last person killed

955
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 2: in Ohio by the death penalty was.

956
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 6: Well, it's been a long time. Mike DeWine honestly does

957
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 6: not believe in the death penalty. He says he believes

958
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 6: in the death penalty, but he doesn't. So that's eight

959
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 6: years and before that there was a we had an

960
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:51,359
Speaker 6: eight year run taft. I don't think executing anybody before him.

961
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 6: I don't think the Democrat executed in anybody. And before him,

962
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:58,439
Speaker 6: John Kasik didn't ext you, I would I according to.

963
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 2: This, it's Robert van hook and twenty eighteen and this

964
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:05,359
Speaker 2: was under Kasic Casi. So it's been eight years. Yeah,

965
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 2: it's uh, you know.

966
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 6: And Joe Dieter says that that if just tell me

967
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:11,359
Speaker 6: whether we have one or not. If we don't have one,

968
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 6: that's okay. And I've often said that the application of

969
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 6: the death penalty is so sporadic that why haven't And

970
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 6: I often say that life without possibility of parole and

971
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 6: an eight by six foot concrete cell might be worth

972
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 6: than than lying on a gurney and not waking up,

973
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 6: and I and it's much less expensive. And so yeah,

974
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 6: I guess we have a death penalty. But as a

975
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 6: conservative libertarian, it wouldn't bother me one bit if the

976
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 6: if the legislator said, let's just not deal with that anymore,

977
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 6: and let's just you know, let's have life without possibility

978
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 6: of parole.

979
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:50,240
Speaker 2: Explain that process though, of how it just keeps getting

980
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 2: you know, appealed and appealed and appealed, like, because that's

981
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 2: what jobs to your point, if we're gonna have it, okay,

982
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 2: let's use it. If we're not, then okay, we'll see good.

983
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 2: The other the next most extreme measure of punishment, which

984
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 2: is needed in a society in my opinion. So how

985
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 2: do things like that keep getting appealed infinitely? It seems like, well,

986
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:11,879
Speaker 2: it takes long.

987
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 6: At the trial stage. You have to have qualified jurors

988
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 6: that are willing to apply the death penalty. It takes

989
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 6: a long time to have a jury to be sworn in.

990
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 6: That takes months and months and months. There's only a

991
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 6: few pre qualified attorneys in Ohio. James Bogan is pre

992
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 6: qualified to handle death penalty cases. Most criminal defense lawyers

993
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 6: don't want to be qualified to handle death penalty cases.

994
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 6: It takes so long, very rarely as the defendant person

995
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 6: of means, which means the state is paying you not

996
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 6: enough money to represent them, and you put that along

997
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 6: with them. If there is a conviction, there's all kinds

998
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 6: of post conviction remedies before sentencing. Then one sentencing takes place,

999
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 6: the judge can say no, and many judges don't want

1000
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:53,399
Speaker 6: to impose the death penalty. The judge can say, well,

1001
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 6: I'm not going to accept the recommendation, and then the

1002
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 6: appellate process starts. It goes to the first district Court

1003
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 6: of Appeals, which takes two to three years. Then it

1004
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 6: goes high a Supreme Court that takes three to four years.

1005
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 6: Then there's newly discovered evidence, much like in the Blue

1006
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 6: Ash Hotel case, which wasn't newly discovered evidence, but then

1007
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 6: there's new evidence discovered. Then you go back to the

1008
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 6: original trial court to say we have new evidence, who

1009
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 6: want a new trial? Then you have hearings on that,

1010
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 6: and then once the state remedies have exhausted, then you

1011
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 6: jump over to the federal system. You begin at the

1012
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 6: federal district turn back over, then you start over, and

1013
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 6: then you go to the Court of Appeals circuit. Then

1014
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 6: you go to the US Supreme Court. Then you have

1015
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 6: newly discovered evidence.

1016
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 2: Why why are there all these steps and why do

1017
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 2: they take months and sometimes years in between.

1018
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: Eight years you hear what these guys being on this

1019
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 1: death row for fifteen to twenty years or some such Well.

1020
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:47,879
Speaker 6: It's because the system is filled with individuals who do

1021
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 6: not believe, who are lawyers and judges, federal judges especially.

1022
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 6: There was a federal judge named Rice who sat in

1023
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 6: Cincinnati who took every death penalty case and put it

1024
00:55:57,760 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 6: in a file cabinet and didn't even open it up

1025
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 6: for you. He was considering what to do. And so

1026
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 6: if the system is filled with judges who don't believe

1027
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 6: in the death penalty, they look for every conceivable reason.

1028
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 2: Not to have it imposed.

1029
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:11,759
Speaker 6: That every time you have newly discovered evidence, you start

1030
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 6: all over again at the trial court and you work

1031
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 6: a way back up through the system, which you can

1032
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 6: take ten to twelve to fifteen years, and it never ends.

1033
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 6: And then you got newly discovered evidence, then you have

1034
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 6: a witness whose testimony was impeached, and start all over again,

1035
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 6: and you go back to the beginning. And so you

1036
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 6: can have people on death row for twenty five or

1037
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 6: thirty years. And then you have governors who say, you

1038
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:33,879
Speaker 6: know what, I believe in the death penalty because it's

1039
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 6: good politically and sometimes, but I just don't want to

1040
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 6: do it. I'm not going to sign a death warrant.

1041
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 6: I don't think Mike DeWine would ever sign a death

1042
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 6: war and I think case he signed one or two,

1043
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 6: and I've asked for Bake Ramaswami. He's likely the next governor.

1044
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 6: He says he's going to look at it, which tells me, okay,

1045
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 6: you're going to look at it. What does that mean?

1046
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 2: So at the end of the day, if.

1047
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 6: You had life without possibility of parole, you get rid

1048
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,359
Speaker 6: of a lot of that stuff completely. It's a lot

1049
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 6: less expense, and said a lot let's wear and tear

1050
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:03,799
Speaker 6: on the legal system and the person is locked in

1051
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 6: a cement cell for the rest of their life. Anyway

1052
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,240
Speaker 6: to me, that's one hell of a punishment.

1053
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:09,319
Speaker 2: All right?

1054
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 1: With that counselor the the defense rests.

1055
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 6: Eight point two million dollars to criminal protesters, one point

1056
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 6: four million dollars to Quadavior Hicks, and then Ryan Hitt's

1057
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 6: going to get millions of dollars.

1058
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 2: I saw that.

1059
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 6: I'm all fart up about you know, now, City Council,

1060
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 6: it's not their money, it's our money. They're giving more

1061
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 6: than ten million dollars to criminals. Now they want to

1062
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 6: increase the income tax rate.

1063
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 2: What about that?

1064
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 1: Willie will talk about that another day, but right now

1065
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: we have to let you go.

1066
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 3: Now.

1067
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 2: You got me all fired up.

1068
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 6: Thank you.

1069
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you.

1070
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: There he is done in Florida. He'll be down there

1071
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 1: walking on the beach looking for seashells, being all pissed off.

1072
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 2: And I'm looking for someone to talk about that. I'm

1073
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 2: sure you saw that news. That'll be like, you know,

1074
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 2: the family of Ryan Hinton who shot and killed a

1075
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 2: police officer, you know, is possibly going to get a

1076
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 2: a payout.

1077
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 1: Well, maybe we can hit that up tomorrow.

1078
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 2: That'd be good.

1079
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 1: But right now we got traffic and weather.

1080
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 2: What is going on?

1081
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 4: All?

1082
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 3: Right?

1083
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 1: Back with Eddie and Rocky, And before we get out

1084
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 1: of here, we like to talk to our friends at

1085
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 1: ABC News and Rock. This uh, this case will never

1086
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Speaker 1: not fascinate me because Rock and I were talking about

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Speaker 1: this off the air, and I'm like, I'm convinced this

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Speaker 1: guy he's not gonna wiggle out of it. He's not

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Speaker 1: gonna wiggle his way out of it, but he's gonna

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Speaker 1: somehow wiggle himself into the lesson the least thing he

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Speaker 1: can possibly be a whatever indeted charge.

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Speaker 2: Orge Luigi Mangioni, the guy who shot the insurance guy

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Speaker 2: and was harold, is a hero by many people that

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00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 2: I think are kind of nuts. But yes, his hearing

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Speaker 2: is going on right now, and Sasha, you have the

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Speaker 2: latest on this. What is it?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's exactly right. That key piece of evidence that

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00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 5: we've all been talking about now at the center of

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Speaker 5: another high stakes hearing as lawyers for the accused killer

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Speaker 5: of United Healthcare CEO fight to keep his backpack out

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Speaker 5: of court. We remember when Luigi Mangioni was tracked down

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Speaker 5: at that McDonald's in Altuna, Pennsylvania last year. Police found

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Speaker 5: him with a backpack and inside it what prosecutors say

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Speaker 5: was unambiguous evidence of his motive, including the alleged murder

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Speaker 5: weapon and a red spiral notebook that prosecutors say Manzoni

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Speaker 5: used as a diary. It had writings discussing what they

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Speaker 5: say was the plan he was concocting. That quote the

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Speaker 5: target was insurance. It checks every box. Now, Manjoni's lawyers

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Speaker 5: say police is seizure of that backpack and it's an

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Speaker 5: initial warrantless search at that McDonald's made it illegal, and

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Speaker 5: they're trying to prevent prosecutors from using it as evidence

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Speaker 5: in both his state and his federal cases.

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Speaker 1: So we'll have to say, sa Peesnik from ABC News

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Speaker 1: is our guest, And so what's the logic or the

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Speaker 1: case they're trying to make to keep this backpack out

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Speaker 1: of being used as evidence.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so defense attorneys say that the lack of a

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Speaker 5: warrant there at the McDonald's it made the surge and

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Speaker 5: thethesure of the backpack illegal, and they're trying to keep

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Speaker 5: it out. They're trying to keep the backpack and what

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Speaker 5: was in it out of court. If they can take

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Speaker 5: that potentially critical evidence out of either his state or

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Speaker 5: his federal case, or both, then that they hope could

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Speaker 5: knock a lot of the wind out of prosecutors sales.

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Speaker 5: They also argued officers were too late mirandizing Mangioni. That's

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Speaker 5: you know, telling him he has the right to remain silent,

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Speaker 5: et cetera, and continue to popper him with questions after

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Speaker 5: he already said he preferred to remain silent, as is

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Speaker 5: his right. So now the judge in his federal case

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Speaker 5: is going to give both sides to argue the issue

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Speaker 5: out in court next week, and we'll have to see

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Speaker 5: what the decision ultimately will be.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting that a technicality could possibly mess up this

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Speaker 2: this whole case here. But but I guess my question,

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Speaker 2: Sash would be, what are the police supposed to do?

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Speaker 2: I mean, they're trying to find this guy. He just

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Speaker 2: shot somebody. I imagine there's a process of you're trying

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Speaker 2: to wrest someone because you're you know, you're fearful they

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Speaker 2: may do something else. Again, So what is the line

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Speaker 2: between a police officer, you know, apprehended a guy and

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Speaker 2: and his whatever he is, his belongings, and but been

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01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:35,120
Speaker 2: going by the book and making sure you have evidence

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Speaker 2: and a warrant and all that sort.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's exactly right. And and and police and prosecutors

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01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 5: have defended the search and seizure as completely lawful. We remember,

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01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 5: folks there at that McDonald's saw this guy sitting there

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01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 5: and thought they might recognize him based on his his

1148
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:55,440
Speaker 5: bushy eyebrows. Remember that the suspect and images from surveillance

1149
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 5: footage at the time were splashed all over the news,

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01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 5: and so they called it in. And and so when

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01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:04,840
Speaker 5: police are trying to catch somebody who's on the run

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01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 5: for an allegedly violent crime, they want to make sure

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Speaker 5: that there's no further threat to the public. And so

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Speaker 5: they have defended removing the backpack from the immediate at

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Speaker 5: least arm's length of Mangoni at the time, and we

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Speaker 5: know that from bodycam footage, the folks there, the police

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Speaker 5: they are unseen, wanted to make sure that, for example,

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Speaker 5: there wasn't a bomb or anything else in the backpack.

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Speaker 5: We know that they seized from the backpack that the

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Speaker 5: alleged murder weapon, and that was a part of the

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Speaker 5: point there. And they also say that a later a

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Speaker 5: completely legal and lawful warrant what was something that enabled

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Speaker 5: them to further search the backpack. But all of this

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Speaker 5: is going to be litigated next week in court. And

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Speaker 5: we also know that Al Tuni police officers not necessarily

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Speaker 5: the ones who were there arresting Luigi on site, but

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Speaker 5: they're going to have local officers there to testify to

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Speaker 5: what their procedures are, what they had in place as

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Speaker 5: far as policy when they searched the backpacks content.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's when I was wondering, and we're talking

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Speaker 1: to Sasha Pesnik from ABC News, And one last thing,

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Speaker 1: as Sasha, did he give himself up and just say

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01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 1: I prefer not to talk Fifth Amendment and all that stuff.

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Speaker 1: I don't remember how all that went.

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Speaker 5: He initially prosecutors say, presented a fake ID when they

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Speaker 5: further searched, Yeah, yeah, they searched the backpack. They ultimately

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Speaker 5: arrested him there, read him his rights, and took him

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Speaker 5: into custody. There's not much you can do from there.

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Speaker 5: He did not surrender himself in so far as walking

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Speaker 5: up to the police station and saying, hey, I hear

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01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 5: you're looking for me. And again, you know, innocent until

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Speaker 5: proven guilty, right yeah, yeah, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, Well that Sasha, we will let you go. Thanks

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01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 1: so much for joining.

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Speaker 5: Us, you bet, you bet, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Take care of.

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Speaker 1: Sasha Pesnik from ABC. And you watch and see, man,

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01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:02,240
Speaker 1: that guy's going to get himself a good attorney, and

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Speaker 1: he's gonna he's gonna wiggle. Like I said, he's gonna

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01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 1: wiggle himself the least possible since he can get and

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01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 1: he shot that man.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't say that it's old blood video right again a

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Speaker 2: technicality and having the money to have a good lawyer

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Speaker 2: could possibly I mean, does he have money? Is that

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Speaker 2: is that the deal? Or I have no idea.

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Speaker 1: I think he does. Doesn't he come from a rich family.

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Speaker 1: I don't remember that part.

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Speaker 2: I don't remember party either, But.

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Speaker 1: Well, nuts is nuts yep, alrighty, then rock in other news.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and you've heard of the Only Fans, right. I

1201
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 2: don't get into these things, but for show research purposes,

1202
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Speaker 2: you know, I have to do the dirty work here.

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Speaker 2: And apparently there's this girl named Sophie Rain and she

1204
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Speaker 2: is like the most popular girl on Only Fans last year.

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Speaker 2: Rain claims she has made ninety five million dollars from

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Speaker 2: some descriptions over the past two years. Now, you know what,

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Speaker 2: come on, man? Who who again? What was she doing?

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01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 2: And she I think she claims she doesn't even do

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Speaker 2: like like really nude stuff. I don't know. Come on,

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Speaker 2: I know, I'm telling you. When I die ed, I

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01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 2: want to be reincarnated as a very hot female because

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Speaker 2: they got the world by you know What's so anyway,

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Speaker 2: But but this isn't even the story. Okay, there's a

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Speaker 2: Florida gubernatorial candidate, right, there's you know, a governor's race

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Speaker 2: score on there. Desanta scan't run anymore. Sure, So there's

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Speaker 2: a candidate, Republican candidate named James Fishback, who is proposing

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Speaker 2: a fifty quote sin tax on OnlyFans models. As governor

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Speaker 2: in year one, I would push for the first of

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Speaker 2: its kind OnlyFans sin tax. If you are a so

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Speaker 2: called OnlyFans creator in Florida, you are going to pay

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01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:04,320
Speaker 2: fifty percent to the state on whatever you so called

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Speaker 2: earned via the online degeneracy platform. We will raise hundreds

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Speaker 2: of millions of dollars of income on the only Fans

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Speaker 2: sin tax. Okay, So then she gets back on this

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Speaker 2: and uh, you know, of course just lashes out. And

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Speaker 2: never in my life I think I would wake up

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Speaker 2: and see a Florida politician trying to start beef with

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Speaker 2: me for clout. So he's proposing a sin tax on

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Speaker 2: on bops, which is what they are referred to in

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Speaker 2: the industry.

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Speaker 1: I've heard what oh no, what does that mean? Though

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Speaker 1: that's there.

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Speaker 2: I think it's just like us, no what bops? Bops? No,

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01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:41,160
Speaker 2: it's like a slang term for like a chick that

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Speaker 2: does oh you know that does online content in the

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Speaker 2: nude right?

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Speaker 1: Oh I always, I just I just thought it was porn.

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Speaker 2: But it's fine, well more or less when you would

1239
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Speaker 2: have to pay a fifty percent tax to the state

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Speaker 2: on top of thirty seven I already pay to the

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Speaker 2: government and guests who just I don't know, it's amazing.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, it goes back and forth, back and forth.

1243
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:08,240
Speaker 2: But uh again, this guy doesn't have any shot. I

1244
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 2: think Byron Daniels is gonna win that. But nevertheless, that's

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Speaker 2: the proposition.

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01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:15,800
Speaker 1: And Miss Rain, well, you got to come out for

1247
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:20,480
Speaker 1: you if you're the you know, there is an established

1248
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:23,560
Speaker 1: front runner and you're trying to catch up, you got

1249
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:26,320
Speaker 1: to come up with the new ideas, right and.

1250
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:29,000
Speaker 2: And this guy's you know, Barry, he needs something to

1251
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:32,840
Speaker 2: get his name I had never heard of. Again, what's

1252
01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 2: his name?

1253
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:33,520
Speaker 3: Again?

1254
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:33,720
Speaker 4: Here?

1255
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:34,800
Speaker 2: What's her name?

1256
01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:40,320
Speaker 1: More importantly, Sophie Rain and Sophie what like Rain like

1257
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Speaker 1: the King or Rain Rain like the Drops? Okay, yeah,

1258
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Speaker 1: James Fishback. So now people know James fish Back. I'm

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Speaker 1: worried worry about that.

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Speaker 2: You should research me, not because you want to, because

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Speaker 2: Rain for the show. You should research Miss Rain.

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Speaker 1: Well, see that's the.

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01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:00,200
Speaker 2: I I don't.

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01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:05,560
Speaker 1: I don't get at all. I've told my wife. I

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01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:10,720
Speaker 1: was like, look, she was like, I'm I'm I'm going

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01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:12,640
Speaker 1: to be sixty years old next year.

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Speaker 2: I was like, perfect, Yeah, there's a market.

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Speaker 1: Do you understand? But that is a home run for

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01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:24,080
Speaker 1: some guys. Get out there, girl, sell it like nobody

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01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:26,840
Speaker 1: wants to see me. But I guarantee you there's a

1271
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:29,680
Speaker 1: bunch of guys who would want to see you. You

1272
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 1: don't have to show your face or anything.

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01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:33,840
Speaker 2: Former news chick, I mean, yeah, has name.

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01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:38,320
Speaker 1: Just show show your feet or your knees or whatever

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01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:39,960
Speaker 1: people are into these days.

1276
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Speaker 2: Go down that road home. Report back on that, please.

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Speaker 2: I'm dying to know the weirdness of that. I ain't

1278
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:47,840
Speaker 2: gonna lie.

1279
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Speaker 1: My wife has ugly feet, man, really, lord, I've never

1280
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:55,120
Speaker 1: been a foot guy, No, me neither, but yeah, it

1281
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 1: ain't pretty, kind of gnarly. Yeah, well, she in doing

1282
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Speaker 1: the news all though she was always wearing high heels.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

1284
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:07,120
Speaker 1: I had an ex who she always wore high heels

1285
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:11,200
Speaker 1: and her foot were feet were all kinds of gnarled up. Yeah,

1286
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:13,960
Speaker 1: you know, I've been wearing gym shoes my whole life.

1287
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:16,519
Speaker 1: My feet ain't pretty, but they don't look like that.

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Speaker 2: How did that become popular for well, I mean throughout history, like,

1289
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:26,160
Speaker 2: pointy feet have been a thing. I don't know why,

1290
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:28,839
Speaker 2: but it's terrible on your feet. Terrible.

1291
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Speaker 1: Well, dude, back in the you know, in my seventies

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01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 1: disco days, you know, we had those Elton John stacked

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Speaker 1: heeled things. That's what that was, the high thing platform heels.

1294
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Speaker 1: Well that worked for me because you know I'm five

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01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:50,080
Speaker 1: six on a good day, so me wearing two inch heels, Okay,

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01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:52,719
Speaker 1: that would that would work going in there and trying

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01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:55,840
Speaker 1: to pick up a chick. But you know I had,

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Speaker 1: you know, my one buddies Like he's as tall as

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Speaker 1: you are, maybe even taller. He's like six six four

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Speaker 1: six five, and uh, you know I was like, dude,

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Speaker 1: let go of that. Now you're you know, you look

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Speaker 1: like wil Chamberlain. Yeah, you know, no girl wants to

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Speaker 1: even look at you. You look like, you know, something

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Speaker 1: out of a Jack and the beanstock.

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Speaker 2: Let it go, bro.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, well I'm going to investigate what's her name again?

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Speaker 2: Well, here here's a you know, a picture right here.

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Speaker 1: Let me see just right quick, just a quick sample size.

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Speaker 2: Well that's a very modest that's you know, that's.

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Speaker 1: Uh that's got Rocky written all over it.

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, well during the break you can look at

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Speaker 2: it more.

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Speaker 1: All right, cool and let me uh, I'll do a

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Speaker 1: deep dive if you know what I mean. Uh, but

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Speaker 1: that's during traffic and weather.

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Speaker 2: What's going on