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Speaker 2: All right, good afternoon, Happy Wednesday. Welcome into the latest

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Speaker 2: on the Cincinnati Bengals. Stoke Tobin is gonna speak to

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Speaker 2: the media on Friday. We'll talk a little bit more

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Speaker 2: about some decisions that the Bengals have to make this

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Speaker 2: upcoming off season and rebuilding and getting back to a

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Speaker 2: championship level, which is obviously the number one goal of

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Speaker 2: this upcoming off season for the Cincinnati Bengals. There is

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Speaker 2: Austin already a huge je elephant in the room today,

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Speaker 2: and it's what happened last night in Morgantown, West Virginia.

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Speaker 2: I know that's what everyone wants to talk about right now,

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Speaker 2: and we are. We're gonna spend the majority of our

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Speaker 2: Number one talking about the Bearcats and the Mountaineers and

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Speaker 2: more importantly, what wes Miller had to say again after

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Speaker 2: the game. We played wes Miller's post game audio from

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Speaker 2: the Houston loss on Saturday, and here in our number one,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna play wes Miller's postgame audio from last night's

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Speaker 2: loss in Morgantown, West Virginia.

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Speaker 3: I will say this, since we've been doing this show together,

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Speaker 3: it is very very rare that we will come into

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Speaker 3: are the thing that everybody wants to talk about, and

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Speaker 3: say it hasn't been since the college football playoff appearance

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Speaker 3: one topic that everybody wants to talk about in our

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Speaker 3: office and on social media and everything. The whole conversation

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Speaker 3: prior to our show today, other than a thirty minute

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Speaker 3: meeting we were in, has been the state of UC basketball.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a loss last night in which the Bearcats scored

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Speaker 2: the stretch. Back to back games where this team has

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Speaker 2: held leads or been tied down the stretch and have

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Speaker 2: been outplayed or out coached or out schemed down the stretch,

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Speaker 2: and it has led to another UC Bearcat loss. In

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Speaker 2: of conversations, as Austin just mentioned, not only in this

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Speaker 2: it up. Dan Hord, Guy, Dan Horde, the voice of

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Speaker 2: the Bengals, the voice of the Cincinnati Bearcats, is driving

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Speaker 2: home today from Morgantown, West Virginia, and will be kind

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Speaker 2: enough to join us at one o'clock. So we will

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Speaker 2: hear from Dan Horde in just under an hour from now.

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Speaker 2: We'll also spend time today and we'll get back to

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Speaker 2: down the college football playoffs. We'll look at some NFL awards.

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Speaker 2: You see, Austin, you see got their quarterback Jay C. French,

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Speaker 2: who Jay C. French is a Cincinnati Bearcat. He comes

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Speaker 2: to the Bearcats via Georgia Southern two nine and twenty

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm sure that the Big Ten will fight this.

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Speaker 3: They've fought stuff like this before. If you sign a

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Speaker 2: Texas wide receiver and former Cincinnati Bengal lost in, Jordan Shipley,

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Speaker 3: He was fired by the Baltimore Ravens. Fired by the

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Speaker 3: Then he's been there for over half my life. He's

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Speaker 3: I don't know who they are going to get. I

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Speaker 2: There's not the main jobs open.

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Speaker 3: There's only six openings right now, not including the Baltimore Ravens.

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Speaker 3: Don't think the Steelers are one of the They're not

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Speaker 2: But it's crazy to think, Austin, that a guy who

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Speaker 2: I mean, maybe a new year with three new AFC

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Speaker 3: Maybe if you're the Ravens or if you're the Steelers,

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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, here in the Queen City, Zach Taylor's back, Duke

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Speaker 2: Here it is. It's I was very rarely I think

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Speaker 2: that yesterday. Yeah, me too. Does anyone in the AFC

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Speaker 3: I think Stefanski gets bumped down from the number one

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Cleveland is by far, like probably the worst job available,

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Speaker 3: to be honest, just because of Jimmy Hasloman, Deshaun Watson,

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Speaker 2: Ask you mentioned what John Harball would consider. If you're

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Speaker 2: John Harball, what do you view right now as the

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Speaker 2: top job outside of the one you just got fired from? Falcons?

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Speaker 3: I think, just like offensive weapons, Falcons are right there.

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Speaker 3: They have some good young defensive players. I feel like

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Speaker 3: you're gonna get the support from Atlanta with Arthur Blank.

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Speaker 3: got hundreds of millions of dollars in cap space. But

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Speaker 6: When we could get it in Rosi intercepted by Chisel

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Speaker 7: He had a chance to shoot it. He lunched and

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Speaker 2: That's how it sounded at the gun last night. West

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Speaker 3: And we're gonna get mad if we say love and

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Speaker 2: Okay, Nope. And by the way, that call from Dan

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Speaker 2: It's nice when somebody does something for you exactly, it

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Speaker 2: On those eight turnovers. West Virginia made them pay with

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Speaker 2: They did not have one starter reach double figures last night.

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Speaker 2: It is. It's a dark time right now for Cincinnati basketball.

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Speaker 8: We're gonna keep going, period, period. I'll answer any questions

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Speaker 9: You got off to a slow start for the second

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Speaker 8: We can't get away from who we are as players,

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Speaker 8: we're not in the position without Daydae Thomas.

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Speaker 4: I ain't the guy to beat my guys up.

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Speaker 8: Everybody else does that well enough, I got his back,

434
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Speaker 8: but I ain't dumb. We can't file a three point

435
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Speaker 8: shooter at the end of the shot clock. Okay, we

436
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Speaker 8: got to make a play when the shot clock runs down.

437
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Speaker 8: Like it's not like it's not like they executed us

438
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Speaker 8: for layups. We made them make tough shots. Well, other

439
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 8: teams are good too, So we got to make a play.

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Speaker 4: At the end of the game.

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Speaker 8: And the first step is not turning it over. Well

442
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Speaker 8: tonight we didn't do that, But we got to jump

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Speaker 8: up and make a play. And if we don't, if

444
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Speaker 8: we don't make it, we got to go get it

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Speaker 8: off the board.

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Speaker 4: There's a loose ball there. We missed a shot.

447
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Speaker 8: JC missed a got a really good look given the

448
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Speaker 8: situation in the corner, balls bouncing on the basket right there.

449
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Speaker 4: They come up with it and call time out. We

450
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Speaker 4: got to get that and lay it in. I mean,

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Speaker 4: you know, what does it take in this game? That's

452
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Speaker 4: what it what it taken. You know, got to make

453
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Speaker 4: a couple.

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Speaker 8: Of those shots or get the rebounds right, got it.

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Speaker 8: You know they make a prayer sometimes and sometimes it's comical,

456
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Speaker 8: like they make that shot.

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Speaker 4: Come on, man, come on, it just feels like it's

458
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Speaker 4: piling on. That's all right, that's all right. I can

459
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Speaker 4: handle it, and my team can handle it.

460
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Speaker 8: Because we're gonna be tough and resilient. So everybody can

461
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Speaker 8: question and quit on it and all that.

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Speaker 4: We ain't quitting. So it's it's almost God.

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Speaker 2: What was the locker room?

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Speaker 11: Like?

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Speaker 4: What do you say?

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Speaker 2: Man?

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Speaker 4: Come on, guys, I want you to get this to

468
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Speaker 4: the people. I know what it's like.

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Speaker 2: I been destroyed.

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Speaker 4: Yes, they're destroyed, man. They want it bad. They're working

471
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Speaker 4: their asses off.

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Speaker 8: They care, they're getting killed, they're getting killed about the results.

473
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Speaker 4: They want it bad. They're affected by that.

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Speaker 8: Right, they want it bad. Man, they're crushed what it is.

475
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Speaker 8: But but but we're gonna stay together and we're gonna

476
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Speaker 8: fight man, nobody. We're not let outside people tear us down. Good, Like, seriously, like,

477
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Speaker 8: if if we won those last three minutes, you'all be

478
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Speaker 8: up here to asking all these great questions and about

479
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Speaker 8: how good it is and all this. Man, that a

480
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Speaker 8: couple possessions don't get to dictate the belief that we

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Speaker 8: have in our team, in each other. Everybody can do

482
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Speaker 8: all the crap they do on social media that I

483
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Speaker 8: don't care. I care about how it affects my team,

484
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Speaker 8: but I don't personally care. But that didn't get to dictate.

485
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Speaker 8: So we're just gonna be resilient.

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Speaker 2: Fight.

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Speaker 4: That's my job, his job as a coach. It's easy

488
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Speaker 4: when it's going good.

489
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Speaker 8: When they don't make that crappy shot in front of

490
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Speaker 8: their bench, right, and you do make the tough shots

491
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Speaker 8: on your end, that's easy.

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Speaker 4: This is what coach is all about. So let's dig

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Speaker 4: in and coach, let's working games left. Heck, yay, we've

494
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Speaker 4: got a lot of basketball left.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you comings a lot of basketball left. Seventeen

496
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Speaker 2: guaranteed games left. What I think is best here Austin,

497
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Speaker 2: Let's just marinate on what we heard for a second.

498
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Speaker 2: Let's take a break, and let's come back and discuss

499
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Speaker 2: what west Miller had to say there in his postgame

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Speaker 2: press conference with Dan Horden Terry Nelson. Dan horde will

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Speaker 2: join us at one o'clock today as well. On this

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Speaker 2: the Home of the Angles, ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports.

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Speaker 1: Station, We're listening to Tony Pike Sincy three sixty on

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Speaker 1: ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back, Cincy three sixty ESBN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 2: We just played the west Miller press Con postgame from

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Speaker 2: last night with Dan Hordon Terry Nelson. That'll be available

508
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,360
Speaker 2: on our podcast after the show. You can go back

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Speaker 2: and listen to it. Some of the highlights, if you

510
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Speaker 2: want to call them highlights that I wrote down from

511
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Speaker 2: that Austin. A couple of different times, west Miller referenced

512
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Speaker 2: it's Us against the world. Wes Miller was asked about

513
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Speaker 2: the final couple minutes and not getting the shots, and

514
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Speaker 2: he actually said, at one point, at least we didn't

515
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Speaker 2: turn the ball over, so the goal became just getting

516
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Speaker 2: the ball to the basket. That's shooting the ball and

517
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Speaker 2: not turning it over. That's what he said. Good look,

518
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 2: don't turn it over. Don't turn it over. Huh, that

519
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 2: was the game plan down the stretch.

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Speaker 4: That's some real impressive stuff there from a guy in his.

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Speaker 2: He He was also asked by Terry Nelson, what's it

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Speaker 2: take to get over the hump of not just being

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Speaker 2: close and playing hard, but getting over the hump? Fair question,

524
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 2: by the way, and he started to answer by saying,

525
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,199
Speaker 2: if it was simple, we would have answered it, and

526
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 2: then he completely derails the answer by just kind of

527
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Speaker 2: talking about how emotional he is and how he can

528
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Speaker 2: handle things and bring it at him and not the players,

529
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Speaker 2: which I get it. It's a coach sticking up for

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Speaker 2: your players. This is for me, fully transparent. This is

531
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Speaker 2: one of the harder things for me to do on

532
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Speaker 2: the radio because I am genuinely, genuinely a diehard Ucy

533
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 2: basketball fan, and I'm genuinely a fan of the guy

534
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Speaker 2: that Wes Miller is. In all honesty, what Wes Miller

535
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Speaker 2: When I when my wife and I had our last baby,

536
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Speaker 2: Wes Miller text me, couldn't have been nicer. When I

537
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 2: went through the job situation in October, Wes Miller text me,

538
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 2: couldn't have been nicer. There's anything I can do for you.

539
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 2: Let me know. He's one of the best people that

540
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 2: I've met around the University of Cincinnati, and that's what

541
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 2: makes it even harder to come to grips with the

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Speaker 2: facts of what is happening with him as the coach

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Speaker 2: of the Cincinnati Bearcats. I think it's very important to

544
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Speaker 2: point out that Wes Miller has been given a lot

545
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Speaker 2: of grace, in my opinion, by the fans from coming

546
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Speaker 2: into a new job to ushering a team into the

547
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Speaker 2: Big twelve, to handling the new era of nil and

548
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Speaker 2: the transfer portal, and by all accounts, Austin, I think

549
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 2: he's gotten good players into this into this this university.

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Speaker 2: And I can say that because I've watched what former

551
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Speaker 2: players that were here last year are doing now at

552
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 2: other universities. They're playing very well on paper. I like

553
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,719
Speaker 2: what he's done here at the University of Cincinnati, but

554
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 2: you can't hide from the fact that this team does

555
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 2: not have the marquee win in five years under west Miller,

556
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 2: and more losses follow the script of last night than

557
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Speaker 2: anything else. Competitive even elite at times, and then things

558
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 2: unravel in a terrible way down the stretch and they

559
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 2: go these long periods of time without scoring baskets. I

560
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 2: am a fan of the person that Wes Miller is,

561
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Speaker 2: but I cannot support the head coach of the University

562
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Speaker 2: of Cincinnati basketball program, a storied program, as Kelvin Samson said,

563
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 2: one of the Bell Cow programs of college basketball in

564
00:30:55,280 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 2: recent years. I can't fathom that coach after the support

565
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 2: he's been given and the time he's been given in

566
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Speaker 2: this city. We were talking with Mo before the show Austin.

567
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Speaker 2: It's not like the bar for Wes Miller has been

568
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Speaker 2: the Elite eight. It's not like the bar has been

569
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Speaker 2: the Sweet sixteen. It's not like the bar has been

570
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 2: you got to go win the Big twelve. The bar

571
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 2: has been be one of the sixty eight teams in

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Speaker 2: the field for the NCAA Tournament, and they've yet to

573
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Speaker 2: do that. And now it's a coach that is actively

574
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Speaker 2: unraveling on the scenes as these losses continue to build up.

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Speaker 3: I think for the last few years, a lot of

576
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 3: fans have been fair to Wes and have been critical

577
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 3: of Wes Miller the basketball coach. But the way that

578
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 3: he has acted over the last couple of weeks, you're

579
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Speaker 3: seeing it kind of turn into being critical of Wes

580
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 3: Miller the person. And I don't know him like you

581
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 3: know him. I don't really have a relationship other than

582
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Speaker 3: very brief conversations with him and on the when he

583
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 3: calls in and stuff. And he's always been cool. I've

584
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 3: always liked him. I've defended him like all that sort

585
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 3: of stuff. And I'm not here to like attack the

586
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 3: dude like personally because I really don't know him. But

587
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 3: as I said yesterday, it feels like he's in over

588
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 3: his head, and the way that he has approached the

589
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 3: last two postgame press conferences or postgame interviews with Dan

590
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 3: and Terry feels to me like a person who is

591
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 3: insecure and immature and in over their head. That's the

592
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 3: perception that I have of Wes Miller. Now it's been

593
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Speaker 3: five years of essentially the same thing. The fact that

594
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 3: he doesn't have a better answer for what you're looking

595
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Speaker 3: for in the final minutes of a game and how

596
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Speaker 3: to get over the hump at this point, I think

597
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Speaker 3: is an indictment of him as a basketball coach. And

598
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Speaker 3: I don't think any coach has been given as much

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Speaker 3: grace and as much support as Wes has been given,

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Speaker 3: especially by the Bearcat basketball program. I mean there have

601
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 3: been There is a lot of money that has gone

602
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 3: into that program. There's a lot of assistant coaches, there's

603
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Speaker 3: a GM, there's a lot of history, there's a whole

604
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 3: new arena, like there's a lot, a lot, a lot,

605
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 3: I mean, hell, even going over to Jordan Brand, that's

606
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 3: a huge deal. That's not an easy thing for a

607
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 3: school to do, and the results just haven't been there,

608
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 3: and the way he's been acting to me, it's almost

609
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 3: like he's mad at somebody or something. Yeah, but that

610
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 3: comes from failure on the basketball court.

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Speaker 2: Man Like you, This is as passionate as a city

612
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 2: to sports as you'll find. And even in saying that,

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Speaker 2: I agree with you. I think he's been given a

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Speaker 2: lot of leeway. In five years. I think he's been

615
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Speaker 2: given a lot of time. And again, the xpectations have

616
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 2: not been go to the Sweet sixteen. The expectations have

617
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 2: literally been can you beat your rival and can you

618
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Speaker 2: go to the NCAA tournament. That's happened once in beating Xavier,

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Speaker 2: they've not made the NCAA tournament. They lost. Call it

620
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 2: what it is. This year's Xavier team is not good either.

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Speaker 2: They lost to a bad Xavier team. They lost an

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00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 2: inexcusable game against Eastern Michigan. And now it feels like

623
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Speaker 2: the walls are closing in and I'm in the same boat. Austin.

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Speaker 2: We had him on the show. He's been on this

625
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Speaker 2: show and has talked about how he quiets the noise

626
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Speaker 2: and he doesn't pay attention to social media and he

627
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 2: deletes it from his phone. He said that in press

628
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 2: conferences and in the last two post games Austin, he's

629
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Speaker 2: going on about people in what they say on social media,

630
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Speaker 2: so clearly he's reading it and clearly it's affecting him.

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Speaker 2: And my question would be, when he took this job,

632
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Speaker 2: he talked about the history, he talked about the loyalty,

633
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 2: he talked about the PA and the winning culture and

634
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 2: the toughness in this job. Well, if those are the expectations,

635
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 2: don't you want to be held accountable when you're not

636
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 2: getting the job done?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, what did.

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Speaker 2: You expect would happen if you're not winning. You're not

639
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,399
Speaker 2: going to get cheered, You're going to get booed, You're

640
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 2: going to get called out on social media. That's the

641
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 2: world we live in, and that's the standard you should

642
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 2: want to be held to. You know, I heard from

643
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 2: from Brian Kelly and one of our quarterback coach one

644
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 2: year of you know, man, Brian Kelly is hard on you.

645
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 2: I would hear that all the time from people. Our

646
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 2: quarterback coach one year said, well, what would the other

647
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 2: part be that he doesn't talk to you? Yeah, that

648
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Speaker 2: means he doesn't care. So that always stuck with me

649
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Speaker 2: because here we are the fact that people are up

650
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Speaker 2: in arms. The fact that people are angry and doing

651
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Speaker 2: what they're doing. You know what that tells me there's

652
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Speaker 2: a lot of people that care about the Cincinnati basketball program.

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Speaker 11: M hm.

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Speaker 2: Because if not, people just wouldn't care. They wouldn't watch,

655
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Speaker 2: they wouldn't listen, they wouldn't tune in. That's not the case.

656
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Speaker 2: People are watching, people are listening. I'll tell you this.

657
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 2: I was there Saturday. People are waiting. People You you

658
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 2: would have found a way to win, beat Houston down

659
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,399
Speaker 2: the stretch and got some positive momentum. Sure people would

660
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 2: have been right back with you. But that has been

661
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,879
Speaker 2: the calling card to this point. There hasn't been those

662
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 2: marque wins. They've not stacked those marquee wins. And now

663
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Speaker 2: on top of that, you have the head coach handling

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Speaker 2: the postgame interviews the way he's doing.

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Speaker 3: And I also want to say this in in some

666
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Speaker 3: fairness to Wes, that you know it's never easy right

667
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Speaker 3: after you lose a game to go and talk and

668
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Speaker 3: and go through all of that. And I think generally

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Speaker 3: Dan and Terry are are a safe space. And and

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Speaker 3: I think you get the best out of coaches when

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Speaker 3: they go and talk to them. That being said, the

672
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Speaker 3: story has turned into Wes Miller losing his marbles. Why

673
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Speaker 3: isn't there someone at UC to protect him from that?

674
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Speaker 3: Why isn't there Hey, wait a few minutes, cool off,

675
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Speaker 3: calm down before you go out there. Why isn't there

676
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Speaker 3: someone to say, Hey, you can't be acting like that

677
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Speaker 3: in the postgame press conference? Yeah, why isn't there some

678
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Speaker 3: sort of buffer?

679
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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 3: For us, it's great content and for bear Cat fans,

681
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Speaker 3: I think you get a real peek into what's going

682
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Speaker 3: out going on inside the head of your coach. But

683
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Speaker 3: at the same time, I'm gonna be a little bit

684
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Speaker 3: critical of the athletic department here, for like, hey, can

685
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Speaker 3: you protect this guy from himself?

686
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Speaker 4: Can you protect your brand? You mentioned earlier.

687
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Speaker 3: It's going viral now and you see is now being

688
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Speaker 3: made a laughing stock because of this, and maybe not

689
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Speaker 3: you see in general and more of it west. But still,

690
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Speaker 3: there are thousands of people in the athletic department, it

691
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Speaker 3: seems like, and there's a ton of people in that

692
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Speaker 3: basketball program. Can anybody be like, hey, let's wait a second. Yeah,

693
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Speaker 3: you know, and I would I would add to that

694
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Speaker 3: at any point from Saturday till now, is there a

695
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Speaker 3: point of self reflection on wes of you know, maybe

696
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 3: I went over the top, maybe I said and if so,

697
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Speaker 3: why not come onto the broadcasting issue an apology. Why

698
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Speaker 3: not find a way to get a statement out there that, hey,

699
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Speaker 3: I was in the moment, as you said, it's an

700
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Speaker 3: emotional thing. He just you those postgame interviews you talk

701
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Speaker 3: to the team after a heartbreaking loss, and then you

702
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Speaker 3: come back out and you're just emotional, and I get

703
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 3: maybe you say things or maybe you take it too far,

704
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Speaker 3: you let your emotions get the best of you. And

705
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Speaker 3: I would argue that obviously that's the job of a

706
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Speaker 3: coach as well to handle that. But at some point

707
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Speaker 3: you would think, man, I was a little over the top,

708
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 3: or I went too far. I need to apologize. And

709
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Speaker 3: we've not heard that yet either, and that makes it

710
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Speaker 3: tough as well. Dan Horror, we'll join us UH to

711
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Speaker 3: expand on this. At one o'clock this afternoon, we open

712
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Speaker 3: up the phone lines to finish up our number one, next, five, one, three, seven, four, nine,

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Speaker 3: fifteen thirty This since E three sixty thanks to Skyline

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Speaker 3: Chili on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati sports station.

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Speaker 1: Wck WEE in the action Tony Pike since three sixty

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Speaker 1: is back now on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back thanks to Skyline Chili here and our number

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Speaker 2: one since c E three sixty ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati

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Speaker 2: Sports station. You see as mentioning before, We'll be an

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Speaker 2: action again on Sunday on the road at UCF current

721
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Speaker 2: top twenty five rank UCF, although they did lose on

722
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Speaker 2: the road last night to a good Oklahoma State team.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 2: That is Sunday, I believe next winds the Bearcats will

725
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Speaker 2: play host to Colorado. They'll then play host of the

726
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Speaker 2: number three Iowa State Cyclones before heading on the road

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Speaker 2: to taking on Austin, the number one team in the country,

728
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Speaker 2: the Arizona Wildcats. That is upcoming for the Cincinnati Bearcats.

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Speaker 2: We do have other college hoops action tonight. The Kentucky

730
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 2: Wildcats will welcome in the Missouri Tigers, and Xavier looks

731
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Speaker 2: to avenge some early Big East losses as they head

732
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Speaker 2: on the road to take on Marquette. That is the

733
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Speaker 2: latest here other college hoops action. Last night, Louisville held

734
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Speaker 2: a nine point halftime lead against Duke before getting out

735
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Speaker 2: scored forty six to twenty six. In the second half.

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Speaker 2: Duke comes back to beat Louisville eighty four to seventy three.

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Speaker 2: The second ranked team in the country was stood an

738
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Speaker 2: onslaught Penn State late to win seventy four to seventy two.

739
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Speaker 2: Houston and Texas Tech played a fun, fun game. Houston

740
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Speaker 2: comes out on top sixty nine sixty five. Speaking of

741
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Speaker 2: a fun game, Kansas with a couple threes down the

742
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Speaker 2: stretch to force overtime. They beat TCU one oh four

743
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Speaker 2: to one hundred.

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Speaker 4: Three.

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Speaker 3: Teams in the top twenty five went down last night. Yeah, Iowa, Georgia,

746
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Speaker 3: UCF all going down. Set time of the year. It's

747
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Speaker 3: that time of the Oval. I guess you count them.

748
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Speaker 3: It's that time of the year. Unfortunately, Michigan looks really good.

749
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Speaker 2: That's good. I think they're a really good team, good

750
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Speaker 2: basketball team. Speaking again of good basketball teams, the Miami

751
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 2: RedHawks sixteen and oh right now sitting on top of

752
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Speaker 2: the MAC. I'm trying to see what they have coming up.

753
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 2: They've got Toledo coming up, who is nine and six overall.

754
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 2: Central Michigan's coming up on the schedule. They're four and twelve.

755
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Speaker 2: That should be a win. And then they do take

756
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Speaker 2: on Buffalo on January seventeenth, Buffalo thirteen and two overall

757
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Speaker 2: three and oh in the mac So circle that Buffalo

758
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Speaker 2: game for the Miami RedHawks, who continue their winning ways

759
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Speaker 2: by beating last night the Western Michigan Broncos eighty seven

760
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Speaker 2: to seventy six. Any other thoughts on college basketball? Any

761
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Speaker 2: other thoughts. I mean, we're going to talk to Dan

762
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Speaker 2: Horden just a few moments, who was obviously in Morgantown

763
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Speaker 2: last night and get his thoughts of what has and

764
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Speaker 2: what did and currently still is transpiring around the University

765
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Speaker 2: of Cincinnati basketball program.

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Speaker 3: No, I think it was funny that that guy I'm

767
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 3: blanking on his name, the former player for Michigan State

768
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Speaker 3: that got thrown out. Like the next day he held

769
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Speaker 3: a press conference. Unbelievable, like in the facility where tom

770
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:48,240
Speaker 3: Izzo speaks like apologized sorry. There's been some surreal press

771
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Speaker 3: conferences in the state of Michigan over the last couple

772
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Speaker 3: of weeks, whether that be the Lions fan with DK Metcalf,

773
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Speaker 3: that guy the other day, the Sharon More stuff. This

774
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 3: has been a lot strange, uh, last couple of days.

775
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 3: I also saw Dan Campbell yesterday or it might have

776
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 3: been two days ago. Was asked how he would grade

777
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 3: himself this season, he said.

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Speaker 2: F love it. Give me more of the honesty, Yeah,

779
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 2: give me more of the honesty. Coming up next, the

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Speaker 2: Voice of the Barricats, the Voice of the Bengals, Dan Horde,

781
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Speaker 2: will join us.

782
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 3: Dan purposely waited to drive back today so he could

783
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Speaker 3: listen to our show.

784
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would imagine.

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Speaker 12: So.

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Speaker 2: I would imagine he has been dialed into our number one,

787
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Speaker 2: probably at times stopping the car just to really focus

788
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Speaker 2: on what we were saying. Sure he was listening, Make

789
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Speaker 2: sure he was listening. And now he stands by to

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Speaker 2: join us next to kick off our number two. Since

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Speaker 2: he three to sixty. You're listening on ESPN fifteen thirty,

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati Sports Station, Thanks to Skyline, Chiley.

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Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. We start things off

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Speaker 2: and hour number two with the voice of the Cincinnati Bengals,

804
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Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame voice as well of the Cincinnati Bearcats.

805
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Speaker 2: You hear him in football broadcast basketball as well. And

806
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Speaker 2: if that's not enough, he's kind enough to give us

807
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Speaker 2: some time on his drive back from Morgantown this afternoon.

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Speaker 2: It is our guy, Dan Horror joining us right now. Hi, Dan,

809
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 2: how are you, Tony Austin? I'm great, How are you guys? Good? Good?

810
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 2: So here's where I want to start.

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Speaker 14: Dan.

812
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Speaker 2: I view last night from a player and a coach

813
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Speaker 2: point of view, because as a player, those losses are frustrating.

814
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Speaker 2: As a competitor, you always want to win. As a coach,

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Speaker 2: I would assume you want to do everything in your

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Speaker 2: power to win, and when you're not winning, it makes

817
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Speaker 2: things even harder. And I think for context purposes, it's

818
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Speaker 2: important to understand that when Wes Miller comes out to

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Speaker 2: talk to you and Terry, he does so right after

820
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Speaker 2: the loss, right after addressing the team. Emotions are at

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Speaker 2: oftentimes high, and he comes out and gives his time

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Speaker 2: for you and Terry to ask some questions as well.

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Speaker 2: That's where we start here today, the postgame reactions from

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Speaker 2: Wes Miller last night. What were your overall thoughts of

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Speaker 2: what transpired? Well, you're right about this scenario. It's part

826
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Speaker 2: of his job, but that doesn't make it easy to

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Speaker 2: come out after a game like that immediately talk to

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Speaker 2: Terry and me. So we appreciate that he does it.

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Speaker 5: Let's face facts, in a four day span, he had

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Speaker 5: two of the most gut wrenching losses of his coaching career.

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Speaker 5: The guy's fighting for his team, he's fighting for his job.

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Speaker 2: The emotions were on ed.

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Speaker 5: I've had some people reach out to me on social

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Speaker 5: media today and say something along the lines of how

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Speaker 5: dare he come at you and Ferry?

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Speaker 2: And I didn't take it that way at all.

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Speaker 5: Wes has been awesome to me every single day he's

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Speaker 5: been on this job. I like him, I respect him,

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Speaker 5: I'll support him as long as he's a Cincinnati's head coach.

840
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Speaker 5: But man, I feel for him because that was brutal

841
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Speaker 5: last night. It really was up five basically with two

842
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Speaker 5: and a half minutes to go, and you just can't

843
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Speaker 5: make a basket, and the way I look at it

844
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Speaker 5: is you can. It's hard to play good defense for

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Speaker 5: forty minutes. I think anybody that ever played basketball can

846
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Speaker 5: appreciate that. But it's not hard to play good defense

847
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Speaker 5: for three or four minutes. So when you get to

848
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Speaker 5: the end of these tight Big Twelve games and need

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Speaker 5: to score, it is hard. West Virginia didn't get me

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Speaker 5: easy shots. The game winner by Eagle Staff was impossible

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Speaker 5: turn around jumper with a guy in his and the

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Speaker 5: shot class winding down, the dude put it in. But

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Speaker 5: what you can't do, and what they've unfortunately done in

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Speaker 5: the last two games, is commit turnovers in the last

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Speaker 5: four or five minutes of a nail bier Big Twelve game.

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Speaker 5: If you do that, you're not going to win.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 5: They didn't commit as many last night as they committed

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Speaker 5: against Houston, but still they didn't make any shots, and

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Speaker 5: sooner or later, somebody's got to step up and put

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Speaker 5: one in or it's going to be really hard to

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Speaker 5: win these games.

863
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 2: From just this year on court perspective, how difficult does

864
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 2: this become because this is the Big Twelve, It's not

865
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 2: I was talking to Mowiger earlier. It's early January, it's

866
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 2: not late February. There's sixteen games remaining, there's a conference

867
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 2: Big twelve of championship Round that they're going to get

868
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 2: at least seventeen guaranteed games remaining. How does the team

869
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 2: stay together? You don't get a reprieve in this league.

870
00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 2: You're going to go to a top twenty five UCF

871
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 2: next weekend. You got the third ranked team in the

872
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 2: country coming in, then the number one team in the

873
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 2: country on the road. How do you look now to

874
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 2: this team for the sheer aspect of staying together and

875
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 2: what has been a very hard season up to this point. Yeah,

876
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 2: it's brutal.

877
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 5: The first thing you have to do is try to

878
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 5: win a game and get that feeling back.

879
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 2: That's job one.

880
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 5: Would have been nice if they could have gotten that

881
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 5: done last night, certainly would have helped.

882
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 2: You know.

883
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 5: One of the things that Wes said after the game,

884
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 5: and that people are killing him for today as the

885
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 5: whole US against.

886
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 2: The world mentality.

887
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 5: I think almost every coach ever does that within the

888
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 5: confines of their locker room in situations like this, and

889
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 5: I think had Wes kept that between him and the team,

890
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 5: it might have helped. When you go public with that

891
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 5: and people are going to ridicule you for it and

892
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 5: kill you for it, and it's unfortunate that you know

893
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 5: he's taking that today.

894
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 2: I would hope that Wes thinks going forward. You know what,

895
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 2: don't give.

896
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 15: The credit the critics the satisfaction.

897
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:08,720
Speaker 5: Of knowing that you're hearing it or people are telling

898
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 5: you about it. Don't give them that satisfaction. Just keep

899
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 5: that to yourself. Coach your team. If you want to

900
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 5: go us against the world again within the confines of

901
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,280
Speaker 5: your locker room or the practices, that's cool.

902
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 2: I think that's normal. But don't let the public hear that,

903
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 2: you know. I think people often equate coaching struggles with

904
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,479
Speaker 2: has the team given up? Or is the team still

905
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 2: playing hard? One thing I don't think you can argue Dan,

906
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 2: especially these last two the team has not rolled over.

907
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 2: They have played extremely hard. They've just not made the

908
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 2: plays when when that opportunity has presented itself.

909
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's true. And you know what must

910
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 5: they do? What can they do to make those plays

911
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 5: down the stretch? Well, I think there are a couple

912
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,320
Speaker 5: of things. One thing that I do think is really

913
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 5: hurting them is it. They don't have a guy that

914
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 5: beats people off to dribble, either for his own shot

915
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 5: or to get somebody else in open shot. I was

916
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 5: trying to think today, when was when did Cincinnati really

917
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 5: have that guy? David de Julius maybe was the most

918
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 5: recent that could really you know, lower the shoulder, get

919
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 5: an advantage on a guy, get close to the basket

920
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 5: and score. They don't have that guy right now, and

921
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 5: that that hurts. That's one of the things that can

922
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 5: help you win some of those close games.

923
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 2: Down the stretch.

924
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 5: So if you don't have somebody that fits that description,

925
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,399
Speaker 5: then I think the next thing that you have to do,

926
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 5: and that West can do and they they should try

927
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:37,800
Speaker 5: to do going forward, just make sure your best shooters.

928
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 2: Are the guys taking the shots.

929
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 5: So Celestine took two in a row down the stretch,

930
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 5: that's good. Dade Thomas should be taking those shots, that's good.

931
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 5: Anybody else taking those shots game on the line, that's

932
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 5: probably not good unless it's you know, an absolute desperation,

933
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 5: end of the shot clock situation. But do what you

934
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 5: can to make sure that your best shooter other guys

935
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 5: taking the shots down the stretch.

936
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 2: How do you try to handle. And I know you

937
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 2: don't get into it as well, but it's what I

938
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:10,280
Speaker 2: know about Cincinnati sports is it's a very passionate fan base.

939
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 2: And it's a different time nil you've got people that

940
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,439
Speaker 2: are donating or spending money and they're expecting to see

941
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 2: different results. But it's always been since I can remember,

942
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 2: an extremely passionate fan base. It's also never been easier

943
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 2: as a fan or as a person to get on

944
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:30,320
Speaker 2: social media and call folks out and rant on people

945
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 2: or what they're doing in their profession. How do you

946
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 2: find the balance of understanding that that that's kind of

947
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,800
Speaker 2: the age we're in versus also how it affects players

948
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 2: that could be on the team, or even obviously what

949
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:46,720
Speaker 2: Wes Miller's dealing with. It's really hard.

950
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 5: It's really hard because even if the coach tries to

951
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:53,839
Speaker 5: insulate himself from that stuff, you know, his players here,

952
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 5: their families hear it, they share it with them, so

953
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 5: they're surrounded by all this negativity. Twitter or whatever you know,

954
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 5: social media website you prefer is not an empathetic place.

955
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 5: There's not a lot of feeling positive feeling when things

956
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 5: go poorly, So it comes with the territory The fact

957
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 5: that Cincinnati fans are passionate is good. It's one of

958
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 5: the reasons why this program will have a chance. We'll

959
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 5: always have a chance to be good because people go

960
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 5: to the games and they care, and you need that

961
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 5: to have a chance. But when you lose a few

962
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 5: and you're struggling and you're not performing up to the

963
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 5: level that they think you should and really you think

964
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:34,760
Speaker 5: you should.

965
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 2: Then it gets it gets rough, and it's rough right now.

966
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 2: No doubt for the team itself from what you've watched

967
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 2: going forward, turning the page, going to UCF on Saturday,

968
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 2: how can this team start playing better basketball? What players

969
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 2: do you see taking those individual steps forward? I know

970
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 2: celestein last night with five threes was great. They did

971
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 2: it shorthanded, and I thought Tillery coming in played some

972
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 2: good minutes when they don't have Kerkkrisa. I thought it

973
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 2: was good to see Shannaby have hit a three. He

974
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 2: needs all the confidence that you can get going forward.

975
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 2: But if you're just looking at the x's and o's

976
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:12,479
Speaker 2: in the basketball itself, where can this team drawl upon

977
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 2: to try to find some wins going forward?

978
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 5: I think the biggest thing they have to do and

979
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 5: can do from this point going forward is just do

980
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 5: the things that each guy knows he's capable of doing,

981
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 5: and don't try to do more.

982
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 2: So.

983
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:33,479
Speaker 5: Seannabie is a perfect example. Every shot he took last

984
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 5: night was a good shot. Only one went in. But

985
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 5: I like the fact that he was shooting from the

986
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 5: three point line, not two steps behind it. He was

987
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 5: shooting in rhythm, not step back threes. He wasn't doing

988
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 5: crazy things driving into traffic and losing the ball. He

989
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 5: did things that he can do. And if he keeps

990
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 5: taking shots like that, more of them will go in.

991
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 5: Buck Harris should not be shooting three points. He's never

992
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 5: shot them. Well, he's not going to miraculously start shooting them. Well, now,

993
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 5: just be the junkyard dog that you know you can be.

994
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:13,760
Speaker 5: So things like that, the things that these guys can do.

995
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 5: Do those things to the best of your ability, and

996
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:19,439
Speaker 5: don't try to be something that you're not. If they

997
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 5: do that, they'll put themselves in the best position to win.

998
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 2: More of these games. Very very tough schedule coming up

999
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 2: for the Cincinnati Bearcats. Every game in the Big Twelve

1000
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 2: is going to be seemingly a dog fight as this

1001
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 2: now season gets into January, We did put a bow

1002
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 2: over the weekend. Dan on the Cincinnati Bearcats football season.

1003
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 2: What a ride. A seven and one start, ends with

1004
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 2: five straight losses, ends with a very weird bowl appearance

1005
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 2: with so many guys not playing in the bowl. We've

1006
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 2: seen them go get a receiver in the portal. We've

1007
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 2: seen them get a running back in the portal. We win,

1008
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 2: saw them get J. C. Frenchip quarterback already in the portal.

1009
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,760
Speaker 2: How do you sum up the twenty twenty five football

1010
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 2: seas for UC football in your opinion?

1011
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 5: Well, nobody wants to hear it, but they reached the

1012
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 5: bar that I think most of us set for them

1013
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:13,439
Speaker 5: prior to the season. I think virtually every Cincinnati fan

1014
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 5: I talked to before the season began said they need

1015
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 5: to win seven games and go to a bowl game.

1016
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 5: Some said six games and go to a bowl game.

1017
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 5: As long as they have a winning record and go

1018
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 5: to a bowl. That's what they did. So it ended

1019
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 5: in bitterly disappointing fashion. I hated the fact that they

1020
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 5: weren't able to bring the a team to their bowl

1021
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 5: appearance against Navy didn't give them much of a shot

1022
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:38,919
Speaker 5: to beat a really good Navy team. But I do

1023
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,799
Speaker 5: think that they reached the bar that we all set

1024
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,439
Speaker 5: for them at the beginning of the year. So I'm

1025
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 5: not a big move the goalpost guy. If that's what

1026
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 5: we say that we're expecting going into the year and

1027
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 5: they hit that, then to me, it's really hard to

1028
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 5: complain too loudly. The challenging part right now, though, is

1029
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 5: sustaining it. Because you know, you lose a great quarterback

1030
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:05,359
Speaker 5: in Brendan Soersby. It has really become a bidding war

1031
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 5: more than ever before in college football. I mean, the

1032
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 5: portal right now is nuts. Guys that aren't good players

1033
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 5: are getting a lot of money. It's going to blow

1034
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 5: up eventually, but it's not blowing up anytime soon. So

1035
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 5: if you are not one of the biggest spenders right now,

1036
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 5: you're in a really difficult place. And unfortunately Cincinnati is

1037
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 5: not one of the biggest spenders.

1038
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 2: I do have to ask as well. You mentioned the

1039
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 2: bar that was set and hitting that bar if that

1040
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 2: was the case for twenty twenty five, I know it's

1041
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:34,879
Speaker 2: early in the process, where would you look to set

1042
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 2: that bar for twenty twenty six.

1043
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 5: I don't think he can go backward. I think you

1044
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 5: have to at least hit that again. I think that

1045
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 5: that's a fair expectation for Bearcat fans, and it's going

1046
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 5: to be a tough bar to hit.

1047
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 2: But when you've.

1048
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:54,800
Speaker 5: Steadily climbed from three wins to five wins to seven wins,

1049
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 5: you don't get to say, all right, we get to

1050
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 5: go back to four or five.

1051
00:56:57,960 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 2: Right now, no matter how challenging it is.

1052
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 3: A couple of Bengals questions before we let you go, Dan,

1053
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 3: what did you make of the statement by Mike Brown

1054
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,919
Speaker 3: released on Monday? And then what Zach had to say

1055
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 3: Monday afternoon after the season had finished up.

1056
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 5: I thought what Paul Dayner Junior wrote yesterday in The

1057
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 5: Athletic was really smart. I think as much as people

1058
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 5: are calling for heads to roll, I think this coaching

1059
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 5: staff has the support of Joe Burrow. That's the single

1060
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:32,959
Speaker 5: most important vote of confidence they can get. And it's

1061
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 5: really not that easy or not that difficult to fix

1062
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 5: this offseason. They only have one side of the ball

1063
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 5: to worry about. They've got cap dollars to spend, They've

1064
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 5: got all of their high draft picks, so all they

1065
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 5: have to do is improve on defense and they'll be

1066
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 5: a playoff team, but they have to do it otherwise

1067
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 5: a year from now that the story will probably be

1068
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 5: very different.

1069
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 3: How much pressure do you think they feel internally? Like

1070
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 3: Duke and his and obviously Zach, I mean that's a

1071
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 3: vote of confidence from Mike, but also we all know

1072
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 3: what you just outlined. Joe Burrow is here and he's

1073
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 3: been kind of open about it. How much pressure do

1074
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 3: you feel like internally is felt within the Bengals.

1075
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 2: I think they feel a ton of pressure.

1076
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 5: I think they know they have a special quarterback, a

1077
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 5: generational quarterback in Joe Burrow, and they owe it to

1078
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 5: him and they owe it to everybody that supports the

1079
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Speaker 5: team to try to surround him with the best talent

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Speaker 5: that they possibly can. You know, last off season the

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00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 5: focus was obviously on keeping Jamar and Tea. They were

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00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 5: able to do that. They were able to keep Trey

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00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 5: short term. They don't have any issues to deal with

1084
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 5: like that right now. It's all about fixing the defense.

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00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 5: I think it's very fixable. They've got some young, solid

1086
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 5: support type players that can help you win. They need

1087
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 5: some veteran studs and again they've got the cap space

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00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 5: to do it. So these guys don't necessarily have to

1089
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Speaker 5: be Pro Bowl, but I do think they have to

1090
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 5: get the next group of your Mike Hilton should obey

1091
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 5: a woogie, guys that turn you young improving defense into

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Speaker 5: one that can help you be good.

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Speaker 2: Teams in the postseason. With the Bengals and Bearcats football

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00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 2: seasons over, you obviously still have obligations to basketball. What

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00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 2: do you do with the newfound free time that you'll

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00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 2: be having?

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Speaker 5: Great question, Well, drive back from Morgantown, stop at a

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00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 5: sheet and get a Mammoth breakfast sandwich, which I did.

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Speaker 2: This morning on my way home. Today is my wife's birthday.

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Speaker 11: Wow.

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00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 5: It will be a great celebration for Peg when I

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00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 5: eventually get home. I'm not too far away. But you

1103
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 5: know what, the grind never stops. My guys money to do,

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00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 5: whether there's a football game happening or not.

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00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 2: Well, send Peg our best for her birthday. We wish

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Speaker 2: her happy birthday and we certainly appreciate your time today.

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Speaker 2: Thanks as always, We'll talk again soon, buddy. Thanks. Dan

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00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 2: sounds good. Thanks for having there. He is the Hall

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Speaker 2: of Fame voice of the Cincinnati Bearcats, the voice of

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01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 2: the Bengals. The Great Dan Horde would expect nothing less

1111
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 2: but the professionalism, and we get to hear from Dan

1112
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 2: all the time. He's the best there is. It's not

1113
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 2: even close.

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01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 3: I wonder if he and if he's gonna, you know,

1115
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 3: arrange for for PEG's birthday like a the a mentalist, like, oh,

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01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 3: I know Peg went all out for his birthday. That's

1117
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 3: what I was saying, Like I was just thinking this.

1118
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 3: I know he didn't have a ton of time.

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01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 2: It puts pressure on him now, right because she went

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Speaker 2: all out. So you can't just ignore and go small

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Speaker 2: for the birthday. You think Duke and Zach a feeling pressure.

1122
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 2: Maybe that's why he's stopping at sheets. Maybe he's finding something.

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Speaker 4: I bet you get some nice I know.

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Speaker 2: So I'm sure as as well thought out that Dan

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Speaker 2: Horde is.

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01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 4: He strikes me as a that he has.

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01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 2: Planned something huge for Peg and maybe this is it.

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Speaker 2: Maybe the public shout out to Peg on her birthday

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01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 2: could be from since he three sixty is the mass

1130
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 2: of announcement we were waiting for, and get much bigger

1131
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 2: than that. Happy birthday, Peg, Dan loves you. We appreciate

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Speaker 2: you for sharing Dan with the world. Your talkbacks are

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Speaker 2: next on the Home of the Bengals, ESPN fifteen thirty,

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 1: Judeobin addresses the media and you Friday at one o'clock

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Speaker 1: on ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home of the Bengals.

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Speaker 4: You know who? Hey, Alexa, who's on.

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01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:34,959
Speaker 1: The DL getting ESPN is fifteen thirty from iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 16: It's at time for talkbacks. Go and grab your phone

1140
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 16: and record a message. Just hit that microphone. Please keep

1141
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:49,040
Speaker 16: it clean and dopeing mean and those sprinkle sprinkled drift drifts.

1142
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:51,280
Speaker 2: It's at time for talkbacks.

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Speaker 16: It's stuck favorite party since e three sixty.

1144
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 14: Austin Buddy, play those talkbacks on your screen.

1145
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Speaker 4: Past right, not too Sabbath Dodge.

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01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 2: All right, here we go your talkbacks the Wednesday edition

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Speaker 2: on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 3: I wonder what people want to talk about today? Curious

1149
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 3: to know because there's more than a full page, oh baby,

1150
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 3: of talkbacks today.

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01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 2: When was the first one received?

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Speaker 4: This one? Seven forty four? Okay, am, here we go.

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Speaker 17: Hey, y'all want your boy Nostril dumbass and I'm just

1154
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 17: waking up f a fever dream.

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01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:35,240
Speaker 2: It's it's just crazy.

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Speaker 17: I'm having envisions and you know, get this, get this,

1157
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 17: this is crazy. I foresee the Pittsburgh Steelers getting bounced

1158
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 17: first round of the playoffs. I know it's unheard of them,

1159
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 17: I know, shoot me, but they're gonna send tomlin packin,

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Speaker 17: bring Johnny Harball in as the next Steelers coach for

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Speaker 17: probably the next fifty years.

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01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 2: And good luck Ravens. You side with Lamar, but Johnny Harball,

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Speaker 2: good luck.

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Speaker 3: I didn't have that as the first talkback I'll live

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01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 3: radar today. Well, I do think John Harball is the

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01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 3: biggest story in sports. Wes Miller's the biggest story in Cincinnati.

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01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 3: It wouldn't be unheard of the Steelers. I haven't won

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Speaker 3: a playoff game in ten years.

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Speaker 14: Hello, this is former President Ronald Reagan. And well, I've

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Speaker 14: been handed a secret copy of Duke Tobin's talking points

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Speaker 14: notes for this coming press conference. You'd be surprised to

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Speaker 14: find what's at the top of the list. It's the

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Speaker 14: quote read my lips, no new scouts. Number two on

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Speaker 14: that list is eat eat.

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Speaker 2: Eat Hey, Greg Sharonville.

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Speaker 18: Greg, you know, is a lifelong Bearcat and a grad

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Speaker 18: That last five minutes last night was hard to watch.

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Speaker 19: And I'll tell you what also pissed me off.

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01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 18: As that announcer referring to the West Virginia guy kid

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Speaker 18: as the big multiple times.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we can't do that was an insult, bad night. Yeah,

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01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 2: insult to injury there, insult to injury.

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01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 20: Speaking of fraud, Kirk Karisa should be arrested on all

1184
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 20: the money he's stolen from all these schools.

1185
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:15,120
Speaker 2: Ker was not available to play last night.

1186
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:18,880
Speaker 3: I missed Simas Lukocius Man. That dude could fill it up.

1187
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 2: He could and get a bucket.

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Speaker 20: What's up guy in Kentucky?

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Speaker 21: You got a bad connection there, Cahoon, Tony and Austin

1190
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Speaker 21: Kin from the Lex here.

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Speaker 19: Today is my birthday. I am seventy five years old,

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Speaker 19: three quarters of a century, and I don't feel a

1193
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 19: day over fifty. I still travel, I go to sporting events.

1194
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:54,920
Speaker 19: I'm retired, so I do what I want to do

1195
01:04:55,480 --> 01:05:00,280
Speaker 19: and life is good. Life would be better, although if

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Speaker 19: my Reds, Bengals and cats would all come around.

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01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 2: But c a ts cats, cats, cats.

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Speaker 3: Happy birthday, Ken, Happy birthday, Thanks for being one of

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Speaker 3: orogs men.

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Speaker 22: Are you right there every night trying to pound the

1201
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:20,720
Speaker 22: rock till it cracks? And no matter how hard you try,

1202
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 22: there's not a fracture in sight. If you book your

1203
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:26,520
Speaker 22: can't finish appointment at Tri State Men's Health and use

1204
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:29,439
Speaker 22: promo code West, your first visit is free. We've helped

1205
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Speaker 22: local celebrities like low T Tony and Blank Shoddy Elmore

1206
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:36,560
Speaker 22: wow down today and you can get back to making

1207
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 22: your shot and wet when you take it to the whole.

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Speaker 15: A couple more thoughts for Duke on Friday.

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Speaker 23: How many people in the front office have in depth,

1210
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:48,600
Speaker 23: expert level knowledge of the salary cap and would you

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Speaker 23: be willing to bring in somebody from the outside to

1212
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Speaker 23: bolster that knowledge if needed? And with no playoffs in

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01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:57,720
Speaker 23: the downtime, what is the focus of the pro and

1214
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:00,480
Speaker 23: college scouts over the next two or three months before

1215
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 23: the combine and while the college All.

1216
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Speaker 2: Star Games are going on? Man, I like what jeffs

1217
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Speaker 2: bringing to the table with these questions. Yeah, I liked us.

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Speaker 24: Wes better be careful about that. Go ahead and quit

1219
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 24: on a statement that he made. Boy, that was not

1220
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 24: a great look. You can definitely tell he's a man

1221
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:20,040
Speaker 24: that's feeling the pressure of not being able to keep

1222
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 24: up at the standard of UC athletics here. Although I

1223
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 24: don't know what those standards are currently. Not loving the

1224
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:33,000
Speaker 24: way things look anyway, Go Cat, I guess, but that's

1225
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 24: against the world.

1226
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 2: That's against the world. Go ahead and quit on us.

1227
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Speaker 4: Okay. A lot of people have.

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01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:42,960
Speaker 25: Tough times to be a Bearcat fan, you know, like

1229
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 25: a lot of fans my age, late thirties, early forties,

1230
01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:48,400
Speaker 25: you know, fell in love with those late nineties, early

1231
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:50,160
Speaker 25: two thousands Bearcat basketball teams.

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Speaker 2: They were my first sports love.

1233
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Speaker 25: But I've never been more apathetic towards Bearcat basketball.

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Speaker 2: And that's sad. I hate it. I think West has

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Speaker 2: to go.

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Speaker 15: No.

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01:06:58,160 --> 01:06:59,480
Speaker 2: By all accounts, is a great guy.

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01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 25: Love him, seems to be a good recruiter, but he

1239
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:06,160
Speaker 25: clearly cannot coach at this level. Gotta make a change.

1240
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:07,840
Speaker 2: That's fair.

1241
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:14,959
Speaker 26: That's fair, Hi do thanks for greeding to meet with us.

1242
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:17,160
Speaker 26: So can you tell the fans what are the three

1243
01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:20,360
Speaker 26: moves you're most proud of over the past few years?

1244
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:25,280
Speaker 26: The Nick Scott acquisition, the Jermaine Burton draft, or the

1245
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:28,400
Speaker 26: Geno Stone acquisition. Ooh, I kind of like number three.

1246
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Speaker 27: It's the Lord. I gotta start bench cut. Please of

1247
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:37,520
Speaker 27: where Jim Harbaugh will end up next?

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Speaker 2: Johnny a head coach, enne.

1249
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Speaker 27: Titans, Cleveland Browns, Atlanta Falcons.

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Speaker 2: I'll start the Falcons, I'll bench the Browns, and I'll

1251
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Speaker 2: cut the Titans.

1252
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:51,280
Speaker 3: I'll start the Titans, I'll betch the Falcons, I'll cut

1253
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Speaker 3: the Browns. I will say this too. By the way,

1254
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Speaker 3: the whole Dan Pitcher thing, Yeah, I heard Zach Jackson,

1255
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:04,720
Speaker 3: friend of the show, on another show recently talking about

1256
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:10,320
Speaker 3: how the Deshaun Watson move or somebody was talking about

1257
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:16,560
Speaker 3: how the Deshaun Watson move was in response to the

1258
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:19,920
Speaker 3: way the Bengals went to the Super Bowl, like Jimmy

1259
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:22,880
Speaker 3: Haslam and the Browns saw that and we're like, we

1260
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:26,639
Speaker 3: need that guy, Dan, we need a guy like that.

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Speaker 2: Which I'm fine with. But then that in evaluation of

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Speaker 2: Watson was awful.

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Speaker 3: And then it was yeah, I agree, and they thought

1264
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Speaker 3: they could get him for whatever. I don't know how

1265
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:37,519
Speaker 3: it worked. But then Zach Jackson front of the show,

1266
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Speaker 3: had said before the game Sunday that Dan Pitcher is

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Speaker 3: going to interview at some point for the Browns head

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Speaker 3: coaching job, and he said it'll be sometime in the

1269
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:50,240
Speaker 3: next three weeks or five years. But Dan Pitcher's gonna interview,

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Speaker 3: which tells me that He's been told at some point

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Speaker 3: down the line that the Browns like Dan Pitchers, and

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01:08:57,880 --> 01:09:01,759
Speaker 3: then Tony Grossie, who covers the brown said today about

1273
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:04,599
Speaker 3: an hour ago that Dan Pitcher is gaining a lot

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Speaker 3: of traction as a head coaching candidate for the Browns. Okay,

1275
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:09,519
Speaker 3: and obviously the interview is coming soon. Do you go

1276
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:15,760
Speaker 3: back to Brian Callahan? I have two fears, Brian Callahan

1277
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:20,640
Speaker 3: and Shane Waldron. Oh I fear Shane Waldron more than

1278
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:21,679
Speaker 3: I fear Brian Kelly.

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Speaker 2: I would agree with that J. C. French. Isn't that

1280
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 2: the guitars for Twisted Sister? Now he's a quarterback for

1281
01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:29,360
Speaker 2: the Cincinni Bearcats.

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Speaker 28: Now, hey, guys with Harball leaven Baltimore, if you were Cincinnati,

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01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:36,360
Speaker 28: would you call and kick the tires on that and

1284
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:38,479
Speaker 28: see if he was interested even though they've already said

1285
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:41,200
Speaker 28: Zach was going to come back, or would you let

1286
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:42,040
Speaker 28: it ride with Zach?

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Speaker 2: Me personally, I would. That's not what they'll do, but

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Speaker 2: I would.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that would be a good thing for

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Speaker 3: the future of Joe Burrow, so I would say, really, yeah.

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Speaker 27: It's the Lord doing a double dip. Wouldn't it be crazy?

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Speaker 27: If and Stefanski went to coach for the Baltimore Ravens

1293
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:07,479
Speaker 27: and John Harbaugh went to coach for the Cleveland Browns.

1294
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:12,479
Speaker 2: The funniest thing ever would be the Pittsburgh Steelers lose,

1295
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:15,960
Speaker 2: they move on from Tomlin and somehow all three coaches

1296
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:19,960
Speaker 2: remain in the AFC North with different organizations. It would

1297
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:24,879
Speaker 2: be fascinating Tomlin to the Browns, Stefanski to the Ravens,

1298
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:26,360
Speaker 2: and Harbor to the Steelers.

1299
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 11: This is my third attempt at this. The others were

1300
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:37,559
Speaker 11: not suitable for radio. That final three four minutes last

1301
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 11: night was the most embarrassing performance I think I've seen

1302
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:45,479
Speaker 11: from this team.

1303
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:46,760
Speaker 2: And I think that's saying a lot.

1304
01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:52,120
Speaker 11: John Cunningham, go to Orlando, go get Huggins, bring it

1305
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:54,679
Speaker 11: back with you, save your job, save this city.

1306
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 4: How come Huggins is always the answer?

1307
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:01,920
Speaker 2: In a way? And what's the Reds? Go back to

1308
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:03,600
Speaker 2: the big Red machine? I was gonna say, just like

1309
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:09,160
Speaker 2: everybody asked, it is the way in which people remember

1310
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:13,559
Speaker 2: the Huggins coach teams in Cincinnati. Yeah, and they long

1311
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:15,120
Speaker 2: for that and they want that so bad.

1312
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:17,240
Speaker 3: When do you think do you think that'll ever happen

1313
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:20,599
Speaker 3: with the Zach Taylor coach teams super Bowl team.

1314
01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:24,880
Speaker 2: That they want to go back to Zache. Maybe maybe

1315
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:27,800
Speaker 2: it takes some time and Zach to developed traits have it?

1316
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:35,240
Speaker 29: Who is on your guys? Is Mount Rushmore since anti

1317
01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:41,799
Speaker 29: sports meltdowns? I've got West Miller after West Virginia, Brandon

1318
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:48,920
Speaker 29: Phillips talking to I've got mc cronin after j P.

1319
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 29: Mccurric cursed him out, and Tommy Tubberville telling someone to

1320
01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 29: get a job.

1321
01:11:56,160 --> 01:12:00,839
Speaker 2: Man, That dude BP going at sea Trent was unreal,

1322
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:03,600
Speaker 2: didn't didn't Mick once have a ran about how he

1323
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:06,240
Speaker 2: was going to open up practice to people like students

1324
01:12:06,240 --> 01:12:09,040
Speaker 2: that can come in in play. Maybe I feel like

1325
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:12,680
Speaker 2: I remember that Tugarville is obviously legendary. Go to hell

1326
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:17,960
Speaker 2: get a job. Yeah, that's Panela.

1327
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 3: I was thinking that him and Dibble got in a

1328
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:23,160
Speaker 3: fight in the locker room. That would be one.

1329
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 2: I know.

1330
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:29,040
Speaker 3: Brian Price unleashed on somebody once too, on a profanity

1331
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:30,040
Speaker 3: lace tirade.

1332
01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:34,000
Speaker 2: Huggins went through one of not shaking Pete Gillon's hand.

1333
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:36,920
Speaker 2: You can talk about maybe Sam Weisch.

1334
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:39,360
Speaker 4: Sam wis with that you don't live in Cleveland.

1335
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:42,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good one.

1336
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:46,400
Speaker 3: Anybody from the cyclones come to mind some big fights

1337
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:47,000
Speaker 3: back in the day.

1338
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:48,840
Speaker 2: I don't think so. Mhm.

1339
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:52,720
Speaker 4: This is dji.

1340
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:55,040
Speaker 2: Frustrated as hell. Yeah.

1341
01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:59,280
Speaker 30: Oddie said it best yesterday. Miller exhibits all the behaviors

1342
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 30: of a guy who is weighing over his head in

1343
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:04,960
Speaker 30: his job. All the things he talked about is bad breaks.

1344
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:08,760
Speaker 30: It's like, dude, you make the situation where any bad

1345
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 30: break can beat you. And my parting gifts some wind

1346
01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:15,519
Speaker 30: shoolers peppermint jack up a three and miss it.

1347
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:19,879
Speaker 2: I think more than anything, Austin and you you alluded

1348
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:22,599
Speaker 2: to this in the first hour. He just comes across

1349
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:26,639
Speaker 2: right now as very insecure. Yeah, and that's what insecure

1350
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:28,400
Speaker 2: folks do. They lash out at folks.

1351
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I get why he feels insecure, insecure. His

1352
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:35,840
Speaker 3: team is not meeting expectations and people are going for

1353
01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:36,479
Speaker 3: his job.

1354
01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:38,759
Speaker 18: Days.

1355
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:43,320
Speaker 9: I've got a question for the listeners, and it's his

1356
01:13:43,439 --> 01:13:44,160
Speaker 9: simple one.

1357
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:48,160
Speaker 2: Would you rather have Jim Harball or Zach Taylor at

1358
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:49,040
Speaker 2: the Helm?

1359
01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:52,160
Speaker 3: Zach Taylor because he is a man of integrity. He's

1360
01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:56,920
Speaker 3: not a cheater like Jim Harball is. And I believe

1361
01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:58,720
Speaker 3: in Zach as a man and as a leader, and

1362
01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:00,880
Speaker 3: I wouldn't walk across there to see Jim.

1363
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:02,960
Speaker 2: Will you say that? But that faith has been tested

1364
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:05,600
Speaker 2: more this year than in any other years past me

1365
01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:06,439
Speaker 2: and Zach. Yes.

1366
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:12,160
Speaker 3: Yes, it's also been confirmed that Jim Harball obviously housing

1367
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:15,759
Speaker 3: that lunatic shrewn more and so many issues at Michigan

1368
01:14:16,479 --> 01:14:18,639
Speaker 3: would be a bad thing. Now, I'm assuming this guy

1369
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:23,640
Speaker 3: meant John Harball. It's pretty close. It's a toss up

1370
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:24,000
Speaker 3: with John.

1371
01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:26,519
Speaker 4: Okay, when did.

1372
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:30,600
Speaker 31: Zach Taylor become the head basketball coach of the UC Bearcats?

1373
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:33,479
Speaker 31: Because every time I listen to West Miller in his

1374
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:37,679
Speaker 31: post game, it sounds exactly like the crap that spews

1375
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:40,760
Speaker 31: out of Zach Taylor's mouth. We're trying our best, we're

1376
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:41,519
Speaker 31: doing really good.

1377
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:42,120
Speaker 2: They're not.

1378
01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:42,679
Speaker 15: You suck.

1379
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:46,840
Speaker 31: Oh, Zach Taylor, you sucks. Miller, you suck. It's sign

1380
01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:48,639
Speaker 31: for both of you to get the hell out of here.

1381
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:49,200
Speaker 20: Dan.

1382
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:56,040
Speaker 3: Oh boy, I just got sent the Mick Cronin roast. Yeah,

1383
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:59,759
Speaker 3: twenty nineteen, I may call coach Fickle. Yes, we'll see.

1384
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,360
Speaker 3: I don't know when his guys starts springball. I'm gonna

1385
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:05,240
Speaker 3: have tryouts tomorrow at three o'clock. I'm not being funny.

1386
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:08,080
Speaker 3: Three o'clock tomorrow. Yep, We'll have tryouts to see who

1387
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:08,919
Speaker 3: goes to Memphis.

1388
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:11,719
Speaker 2: That's it. That was an all timer.

1389
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:12,040
Speaker 8: Man.

1390
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:15,439
Speaker 3: Shout out to our guy Paul Fritchner, who was listening

1391
01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:16,360
Speaker 3: and sent that along.

1392
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:19,320
Speaker 2: That was an all timer. I do remember that, going

1393
01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:21,719
Speaker 2: to reach out to coach Fickle. I remember the line

1394
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:25,360
Speaker 2: about we'll see who goes to Memphis. That was funny. Man.

1395
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:28,400
Speaker 20: Hi guys, I have one question for Wes Miller. How

1396
01:15:28,439 --> 01:15:31,720
Speaker 20: do you not see what everybody else is seeing? When

1397
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:34,600
Speaker 20: I watched that team on offense, all I see is

1398
01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:37,960
Speaker 20: them tossing the ball around the perimeter, jack and threes.

1399
01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:40,960
Speaker 20: Most of the time they're ill conceived, ill time threes,

1400
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:43,840
Speaker 20: and a lot of times it's the wrong person taking them,

1401
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:46,720
Speaker 20: and then a bunch of alley oops every now and then.

1402
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:50,400
Speaker 20: I don't see any point guards trying to penetrate the lane,

1403
01:15:50,439 --> 01:15:52,639
Speaker 20: trying to dish, trying to get fouls, trying to get

1404
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:53,160
Speaker 20: to the free.

1405
01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:57,639
Speaker 2: Throw line because they want to. It also drives me nuts.

1406
01:15:57,640 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 2: I feel like when they get into a set or

1407
01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:00,760
Speaker 2: call it play, it takes them forever get into the

1408
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:05,360
Speaker 2: actual set. Yeah, they're not. There's no I mean they

1409
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:08,360
Speaker 2: ranked like two and twentieth in offensive efficienc. I mean

1410
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:10,880
Speaker 2: the offensive basketball in the West Miller era, which is

1411
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:12,599
Speaker 2: frustrating because they have the six best defense.

1412
01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:18,439
Speaker 32: Hey, from the groove, I actually have an off topic

1413
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:23,240
Speaker 32: programming question for you guys. Okay, so about a month

1414
01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:27,720
Speaker 32: ago your show was shortened by a half hour for

1415
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:31,080
Speaker 32: the PEP rally because of the Kentucky Wildcasts playing on

1416
01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:35,479
Speaker 32: a Friday. Why is it that they get the full

1417
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:37,800
Speaker 32: three and you guys are cut to a half hour,

1418
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:41,800
Speaker 32: but mo show gets cut by half hour.

1419
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:43,200
Speaker 2: I don't know that.

1420
01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:51,360
Speaker 3: So the the Bengals shows cannot be cut. They have

1421
01:16:51,439 --> 01:16:55,880
Speaker 3: to be three hours. My understanding the Bengals shows with

1422
01:16:55,960 --> 01:17:00,320
Speaker 3: our contract with the Bengals is that those shows that

1423
01:17:00,439 --> 01:17:03,400
Speaker 3: have to be three hours. And so our contract with

1424
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:07,880
Speaker 3: the Kentucky Wildcats is you air our stuff, you are

1425
01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:13,679
Speaker 3: our affiliate, and so when that happens, we're the ones

1426
01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:16,000
Speaker 3: that we're the easy ones to adjust.

1427
01:17:17,479 --> 01:17:19,880
Speaker 33: You know here in the news of Harball getting fired

1428
01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:22,080
Speaker 33: yesterday infuriates you as.

1429
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:22,679
Speaker 2: A Bengals fan.

1430
01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:26,840
Speaker 33: I mean, you look at the start contrast between Harball's

1431
01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:30,719
Speaker 33: resume and Zach Taylor's resume and it's not even close.

1432
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:33,000
Speaker 33: It's a it's a joke, and it's just a reminder

1433
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:36,880
Speaker 33: of what serious good organizations do when they really care

1434
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:41,559
Speaker 33: about winning. The Bengals, I mean, this is I don't

1435
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:44,400
Speaker 33: know how we continue to root and support this clowness,

1436
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:46,000
Speaker 33: unseerious franchise.

1437
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:50,960
Speaker 3: My understanding is that Lamar Jackson and Todd Munkin had

1438
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:54,800
Speaker 3: issues and Steve Bashatti, the owner of the Ravens, said

1439
01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:55,599
Speaker 3: you need.

1440
01:17:55,439 --> 01:17:57,439
Speaker 2: To fire Todd hard.

1441
01:17:57,160 --> 01:18:00,320
Speaker 3: And Harball said no, and Steve Bashatti said, okay, well

1442
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:00,639
Speaker 3: we're going.

1443
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:03,840
Speaker 2: To let you go, and so not the rod or die.

1444
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:07,040
Speaker 3: Now that is it's a shody saying I'm sticking with

1445
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:11,439
Speaker 3: my quarterback and making my quarterback happy. The Bengals did

1446
01:18:11,439 --> 01:18:16,160
Speaker 3: the same thing by keeping Zach Taylor. Different situations, very

1447
01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:17,240
Speaker 3: similar internally.

1448
01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:21,360
Speaker 34: Hey it's Jim and Milford. Hey, I went to you see,

1449
01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:24,559
Speaker 34: got a bachelor's degree. I've had my picture taken in

1450
01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:29,280
Speaker 34: front of Tony Pike's mural. So I am a UC fan.

1451
01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:32,240
Speaker 34: But do you know what you see stands for? It

1452
01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:36,720
Speaker 34: stands for you celebrate when you play us, you get

1453
01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:41,160
Speaker 34: to celebrate, not us. You celebrate you see.

1454
01:18:42,160 --> 01:18:42,400
Speaker 14: Man.

1455
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:45,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, one other thing on the Borough thing you mentioned.

1456
01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:50,840
Speaker 2: I don't think people realize I think around this team

1457
01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:55,240
Speaker 2: how much Joe advocate is an advocate for Zach and

1458
01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:57,519
Speaker 2: how important that isn't the decision I trying to say

1459
01:18:57,560 --> 01:19:00,479
Speaker 2: that from yes, like I don't. I know We've talked

1460
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:04,479
Speaker 2: to him. That that is genuine, that is real. Joe

1461
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:07,599
Speaker 2: is a advocate for Zach Taylor, Tony.

1462
01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:08,840
Speaker 35: This is Quinn from Oakley.

1463
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:10,120
Speaker 2: I just wanted to echo.

1464
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:13,800
Speaker 35: Your statements in regards to Wes Miller the personal human being.

1465
01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:17,240
Speaker 35: I had an opportunity in the summertime to do the

1466
01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:21,760
Speaker 35: UKX riverboat cruise. It's for the donors. He couldn't be

1467
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:25,160
Speaker 35: any nicer person. We got to talk a little bit

1468
01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:27,759
Speaker 35: about his high school days. We have that small connection

1469
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:30,200
Speaker 35: with me being for my family from New Hampshire and

1470
01:19:30,280 --> 01:19:33,320
Speaker 35: talked about Newhampton. He's just a generally good dude. I

1471
01:19:33,400 --> 01:19:36,160
Speaker 35: just wish for the best for him and the struggles.

1472
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:40,679
Speaker 2: Yeah. That again, it's the hard part about this because

1473
01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:43,360
Speaker 2: if he was a terrible human being and he was

1474
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:47,400
Speaker 2: just someone that didn't get along with a lot of people,

1475
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:49,280
Speaker 2: it would be easier to say all right, time to

1476
01:19:49,320 --> 01:19:53,200
Speaker 2: move on. He's a great guy. And again, I'm genuinely

1477
01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:56,120
Speaker 2: I appreciate things that he has done or said to me,

1478
01:19:56,479 --> 01:20:00,400
Speaker 2: or times where he's messaged me. I have appreciated that greatly,

1479
01:20:00,439 --> 01:20:03,200
Speaker 2: and that goes a long way, which makes these struggles

1480
01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:03,880
Speaker 2: that much harder.

1481
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:06,439
Speaker 34: In my it's a double depth deal with it. I

1482
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:09,800
Speaker 34: bet people are just overjoyed to hear my voice the

1483
01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:13,840
Speaker 34: second time. Hey, you know what would pack Fountain Square

1484
01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:17,479
Speaker 34: is if we had a bunch of Catholic priests from

1485
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:20,560
Speaker 34: all over the world come in and do an exorcism

1486
01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:25,160
Speaker 34: on Cincinnati Sports. I think there's a curse or something

1487
01:20:25,240 --> 01:20:27,280
Speaker 34: going on over this town.

1488
01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:33,240
Speaker 2: It's amazing. I blame Aftab for the Bengals. I mean

1489
01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:35,320
Speaker 2: to do something about the curse. I don't mean, is

1490
01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:37,519
Speaker 2: there something we can do? I don't think so.

1491
01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:41,080
Speaker 3: Okay, now, the Steelers did put holy water on the field.

1492
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:41,840
Speaker 2: I saw that.

1493
01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:45,000
Speaker 3: Apparently that's done every time they re sought it for

1494
01:20:45,080 --> 01:20:52,400
Speaker 3: injury purposes, which is interesting. I think, Yeah, it's a

1495
01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:55,879
Speaker 3: slippery slope when you start getting pastors and priests involved.

1496
01:20:56,880 --> 01:21:01,160
Speaker 36: Good afternoon, Professor Pike Audible, Austin. How about them Bearcats?

1497
01:21:01,320 --> 01:21:01,720
Speaker 4: Tell you what?

1498
01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:04,160
Speaker 36: As soon as they went up five with a few

1499
01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:07,679
Speaker 36: minutes to go. I opened up my favorite sportsbook app

1500
01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:10,720
Speaker 36: and hit that West Virginia plus three point five as

1501
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:14,200
Speaker 36: fast as that possibly could. And you know the rest, folks,

1502
01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:16,320
Speaker 36: you want to lock of the night bet the live

1503
01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:20,679
Speaker 36: games spread of whoever's playing the Cincinnati Bearcats or Cincinnati Bengals.

1504
01:21:20,720 --> 01:21:22,240
Speaker 36: When they take a second half.

1505
01:21:22,120 --> 01:21:27,760
Speaker 2: Lead, You're welcome. Some would say you free money, right, guys.

1506
01:21:27,560 --> 01:21:29,880
Speaker 36: Put on your tinfoil hats with me for just a moment.

1507
01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:33,000
Speaker 36: Oh boy, there's a theory out there about the Niners

1508
01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:35,720
Speaker 36: and their soft tissue injuries since they moved into Levi

1509
01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:39,320
Speaker 36: Stadium in twenty fourteen, statistically the most injured team in

1510
01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:43,559
Speaker 36: the NFL, specifically with achilles and pateller tendon injuries, major

1511
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:48,160
Speaker 36: hamstring and kaftars. There is an electrical substation next door

1512
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:52,320
Speaker 36: that emids low frequency electromagnetic fields that we know degrade

1513
01:21:52,360 --> 01:21:55,639
Speaker 36: collagen weekend tendons and cause soft tissue damage.

1514
01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:56,120
Speaker 4: What do you think?

1515
01:21:58,320 --> 01:21:59,920
Speaker 3: I don't know enough to have an opinion, but I

1516
01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:03,639
Speaker 3: have seen that you're happy to learn more Super Bowls there.

1517
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:04,120
Speaker 2: This year.

1518
01:22:06,439 --> 01:22:10,520
Speaker 37: GP fifteen ADDI V MWG.

1519
01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:12,880
Speaker 4: Hey, fellas, Welcome.

1520
01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:13,160
Speaker 2: To the new year.

1521
01:22:13,320 --> 01:22:16,120
Speaker 37: I hope your holidays were great. Here's my issue with

1522
01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:20,639
Speaker 37: Wes Miller. For whatever reason, a Wes Miller coach team

1523
01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:23,720
Speaker 37: can't close out games. It doesn't matter if they have

1524
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:27,439
Speaker 37: a lead, if they're chasing the lead, they simply can't

1525
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:28,719
Speaker 37: win at the end.

1526
01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:31,320
Speaker 2: And I think that's the biggest indictment on his tenure.

1527
01:22:32,160 --> 01:22:35,000
Speaker 2: You know, I saw something earlier, and I don't know

1528
01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:39,120
Speaker 2: if I saved it or not. Austin, they led obviously

1529
01:22:39,200 --> 01:22:41,760
Speaker 2: last night by five with two minutes and fourteen seconds left.

1530
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:44,360
Speaker 2: They lost. They were tied with Houston with two forty

1531
01:22:44,479 --> 01:22:47,920
Speaker 2: nine lifts they lost by seven. This year, this is

1532
01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:50,000
Speaker 2: all this year. They were down by two to Clemson

1533
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:52,719
Speaker 2: with forty seconds left, lost down by two to Georgia

1534
01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:55,439
Speaker 2: with fifteen minutes left in the game and lost by nineteen.

1535
01:22:55,960 --> 01:22:59,040
Speaker 2: They took a lead lead against Xavier, lost by five.

1536
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:02,719
Speaker 2: They were down one after everything that happened against Eastern Michigan.

1537
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:04,760
Speaker 2: They were down one with just four forty two left,

1538
01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:07,639
Speaker 2: they lost by eight. And they were down one against

1539
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:09,600
Speaker 2: Louisville with twelve thirty four left in the game and

1540
01:23:09,640 --> 01:23:12,839
Speaker 2: they lost by ten. Those are their losses this year, Austin.

1541
01:23:13,479 --> 01:23:16,360
Speaker 2: What's the common denominator in all those they were in

1542
01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:19,000
Speaker 2: the game were leading the game late and found ways

1543
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:22,960
Speaker 2: to lose in bad fashion like and independence.

1544
01:23:24,080 --> 01:23:29,880
Speaker 38: You see what happened to the fast play, fast team

1545
01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:36,759
Speaker 38: transition baskets. It just seems like a stagnant half court

1546
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:41,559
Speaker 38: jack of perimeter shots right now. When they drive and dish,

1547
01:23:41,640 --> 01:23:43,840
Speaker 38: they tend to make those shots, so it seems like

1548
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:44,360
Speaker 38: as well.

1549
01:23:45,360 --> 01:23:47,600
Speaker 2: And Happy birthday, Peg.

1550
01:23:52,600 --> 01:24:00,719
Speaker 12: Happy birthday, Kennon, Elex Atheelia and Peg Happy birthday. Yes,

1551
01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:02,400
Speaker 12: great show, guys.

1552
01:24:02,240 --> 01:24:05,080
Speaker 2: Thank you. Birthday packed a boys.

1553
01:24:05,320 --> 01:24:14,080
Speaker 39: Happy Wednesday. It's Wally b thinking West Virginia hosting the Bearcats.

1554
01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:17,280
Speaker 39: You know Hugs was watching that game. Oh yeah, I

1555
01:24:17,320 --> 01:24:19,479
Speaker 39: would love to know what he was thinking.

1556
01:24:21,240 --> 01:24:23,080
Speaker 2: Well, we can't put it on the air problem.

1557
01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:25,360
Speaker 15: Hey Duke, thanks for taking the question.

1558
01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:28,240
Speaker 8: I was wondering if you and Mike Brown get along

1559
01:24:28,280 --> 01:24:30,240
Speaker 8: so well because you're both in NEPO babies.

1560
01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:32,519
Speaker 2: Thanks. Oh wow, ouch.

1561
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:36,400
Speaker 40: How in the world is John Cunningham selecting these uc

1562
01:24:37,080 --> 01:24:39,840
Speaker 40: head coaches? Is it that cracker jack box or a

1563
01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:42,400
Speaker 40: clall machine or rock paper scissors? I don't get these

1564
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:46,439
Speaker 40: coaches freaking suck. Uh baseball coach is good?

1565
01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:49,639
Speaker 2: YEP, I have a question for Duke.

1566
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:55,560
Speaker 19: Jobn is Zach Taylor signed through the twenty.

1567
01:24:55,320 --> 01:24:56,880
Speaker 22: Twenty seven season.

1568
01:24:57,560 --> 01:25:02,040
Speaker 41: Ask that simple softball of the on the question and

1569
01:25:02,160 --> 01:25:04,360
Speaker 41: watch Duke squirm.

1570
01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:08,080
Speaker 26: I kind of forget it that coaches every game like

1571
01:25:08,160 --> 01:25:11,720
Speaker 26: it's his last. That's none of your business, of.

1572
01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:12,120
Speaker 11: All the.

1573
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:16,639
Speaker 3: Of all the stuff that's happened in the last couple

1574
01:25:16,680 --> 01:25:18,840
Speaker 3: of weeks, I kind of forgot that. Jack didn't answer

1575
01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:19,320
Speaker 3: that question.

1576
01:25:19,479 --> 01:25:24,639
Speaker 2: Yep, as much as weird, as much as Zach has

1577
01:25:24,640 --> 01:25:26,920
Speaker 2: had to answer for Duke, Duke should have to answer

1578
01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:27,639
Speaker 2: that on Friday.

1579
01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:30,160
Speaker 3: You know what, that's a great point, uhdud. Can you

1580
01:25:30,200 --> 01:25:33,519
Speaker 3: tell us what exactly are the details of Zach Taylor's contract?

1581
01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:39,240
Speaker 42: Yeah, A share Tony's good friend brother. And I was thinking,

1582
01:25:40,120 --> 01:25:43,120
Speaker 42: there's a lot of good players from U see in

1583
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:46,800
Speaker 42: the in the in the fl uh they should hang in.

1584
01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:50,479
Speaker 42: They're pretty good. But the Bengals seem like they've never

1585
01:25:50,520 --> 01:25:53,080
Speaker 42: picked anybody from you see the right here in their backyard.

1586
01:25:53,080 --> 01:25:56,439
Speaker 42: I guess they see things we don't see. And uh,

1587
01:25:56,760 --> 01:25:59,839
Speaker 42: maybe to let Tony know why they don't pick players.

1588
01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:02,519
Speaker 42: May uh you see goo.

1589
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:08,719
Speaker 2: Bear can Tody? I didn't tell you I got nothing, brother,

1590
01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:11,120
Speaker 2: We're coming up on draft time, which means we get

1591
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:14,200
Speaker 2: to Yeah, you tell your draft story about the Bengals.

1592
01:26:14,280 --> 01:26:15,559
Speaker 2: Can't wait for that time of the year.

1593
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:17,320
Speaker 3: And I've reached out to people who were in that

1594
01:26:17,439 --> 01:26:19,960
Speaker 3: room who say that never happened.

1595
01:26:21,439 --> 01:26:22,960
Speaker 2: I guess we got to go straight to the horse's

1596
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:24,000
Speaker 2: mouth at some point.

1597
01:26:24,120 --> 01:26:26,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to. We've I've been asking you for

1598
01:26:26,720 --> 01:26:29,040
Speaker 3: years to hunt down your agent. Maybe we could get

1599
01:26:29,120 --> 01:26:30,000
Speaker 3: Duke to talk about it.

1600
01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:31,599
Speaker 4: Duke was there.

1601
01:26:31,680 --> 01:26:31,960
Speaker 2: I know.

1602
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:34,840
Speaker 3: Maybe Duke has shed the light. We can get you

1603
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:38,559
Speaker 3: a credential by Friday to get in. It's a for

1604
01:26:38,600 --> 01:26:41,439
Speaker 3: the first time here. Can you go back to two

1605
01:26:41,479 --> 01:26:44,599
Speaker 3: thousand and nine ten in the draft? Take me into

1606
01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:45,040
Speaker 3: that war.

1607
01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:48,320
Speaker 41: Room, Teddy. Also sorry for the quick double dip. I'm

1608
01:26:48,320 --> 01:26:50,040
Speaker 41: trying to think of what this curse might be. This

1609
01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:53,400
Speaker 41: exorcism the Fountain Square has me thinking. I don't think

1610
01:26:53,439 --> 01:26:56,680
Speaker 41: anything good has happened to Cincinnati Sports since AFTAB in

1611
01:26:56,720 --> 01:26:57,960
Speaker 41: the AFC Championship.

1612
01:26:58,120 --> 01:27:01,000
Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe aftab's fault.

1613
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:05,920
Speaker 3: I wrote down this is not a joke. When I

1614
01:27:05,960 --> 01:27:08,639
Speaker 3: saw that thing happen, I saw the whole aft tab

1615
01:27:08,760 --> 01:27:12,200
Speaker 3: video and everything I put in my phone immediately the

1616
01:27:12,640 --> 01:27:16,640
Speaker 3: curse of Aftab Purevol, and I said a reminder in

1617
01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:19,120
Speaker 3: my phone for a year and like three years down

1618
01:27:19,120 --> 01:27:21,879
Speaker 3: the road to remind myself of it. What has happened

1619
01:27:21,960 --> 01:27:25,439
Speaker 3: in the aftermath of that, I denounced it. I said

1620
01:27:25,479 --> 01:27:27,719
Speaker 3: that the Bengals need to come out and denounce Aftab

1621
01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:31,840
Speaker 3: Purevoal for saying such a stupid thing all that. I

1622
01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:36,640
Speaker 3: don't know if if that proclamation still exists that he

1623
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:40,640
Speaker 3: issued that said Patrick Mahomes needed to take a paternity

1624
01:27:40,680 --> 01:27:44,519
Speaker 3: test or whatever that stupid crap was. If it does,

1625
01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:48,479
Speaker 3: that needs to be located, and I think we should

1626
01:27:48,520 --> 01:27:51,479
Speaker 3: do a burning of that. I'm in with that that,

1627
01:27:52,439 --> 01:27:55,679
Speaker 3: you know, maybe I'll reach out to the Tab's office.

1628
01:27:55,720 --> 01:27:58,519
Speaker 3: I call it the I call it the curse of

1629
01:27:58,560 --> 01:28:03,120
Speaker 3: the Tab. I don't know that there's been any single

1630
01:28:03,160 --> 01:28:05,880
Speaker 3: thing and this might say more about me that a

1631
01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:08,720
Speaker 3: government official has done that has pissed me off more

1632
01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:11,720
Speaker 3: than what Aftab Pureval did that day. I was I'm

1633
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:13,559
Speaker 3: telling you, I had smoke coming out of my ears.

1634
01:28:13,560 --> 01:28:16,519
Speaker 3: I was so mad at how stupid that was.

1635
01:28:17,320 --> 01:28:22,360
Speaker 2: What a time though that was meaningful football. I'm running

1636
01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:24,680
Speaker 2: hot again. I'd like Wes Miller. I'd beg for that.

1637
01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:26,320
Speaker 4: Now you can quit on me. If you want to

1638
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:27,240
Speaker 4: aft Tab.

1639
01:28:27,320 --> 01:28:30,519
Speaker 2: You can handle it. It's me. It's Aftab against the world.

1640
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:37,439
Speaker 2: Did you order the strike? We're done one thing, break,

1641
01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:40,720
Speaker 2: one segment we got. How about this? You want to

1642
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:44,639
Speaker 2: start looking up? We got James Rapine, Jimmy Franchise. Jimmy

1643
01:28:44,680 --> 01:28:48,599
Speaker 2: Franchise is gonna is gonna kick us off with our

1644
01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:51,400
Speaker 2: number three. Oh, we're already on our number three. Yep.

1645
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:56,599
Speaker 2: On ESPN fifteen thirty sports Did you order the code

1646
01:28:56,680 --> 01:29:01,080
Speaker 2: rat thanks to Sinsy shirts on the SPN fifteen thirty.

1647
01:29:02,040 --> 01:29:09,120
Speaker 1: On ESPN fifteen thirty.

1648
01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:16,320
Speaker 2: Welcome back since E three to sixty ESPN fifteen thirty

1649
01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:20,160
Speaker 2: Cincinnati Sports Station, thanks to Cincy shirts. Here in hour

1650
01:29:20,240 --> 01:29:24,160
Speaker 2: number two, I have a start bench cut for you, Austin, Okay,

1651
01:29:24,240 --> 01:29:29,120
Speaker 2: ready for this early extensions for the Bengals to prioritize

1652
01:29:29,160 --> 01:29:39,920
Speaker 2: this offseason. Start bench cut, Dax Hill, DJ Turner, Chase Brown. Uh,

1653
01:29:39,960 --> 01:29:41,040
Speaker 2: I'm going to say.

1654
01:29:43,120 --> 01:29:51,400
Speaker 3: Start DJ Turner, Okay, bench Dax Hill, Wow cut Chase Brown.

1655
01:29:51,439 --> 01:29:53,040
Speaker 2: Not in on Chase Brown, huh.

1656
01:29:53,160 --> 01:29:59,280
Speaker 3: Not specifically about him, but like, I just feel like

1657
01:29:59,400 --> 01:30:04,920
Speaker 3: running back are easier to find and That's not a

1658
01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:07,200
Speaker 3: slight at him at all. He's obviously great. He fits

1659
01:30:07,240 --> 01:30:09,639
Speaker 3: in to what the Bengals do really well.

1660
01:30:09,720 --> 01:30:10,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I.

1661
01:30:10,520 --> 01:30:13,559
Speaker 3: Just feel like that type of player is easier to

1662
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:18,280
Speaker 3: replace than two really good athletic outside cornerback.

1663
01:30:17,960 --> 01:30:22,479
Speaker 2: Would I would have swapped Hill and Brown. I still

1664
01:30:22,520 --> 01:30:26,120
Speaker 2: think DJ Turner's at the top fair, but I think

1665
01:30:26,160 --> 01:30:28,479
Speaker 2: what Chase Brown showed today, I think Chase Brown is

1666
01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:30,760
Speaker 2: more than just a replaceable. I think he is a

1667
01:30:31,320 --> 01:30:35,240
Speaker 2: I think he's got like top ten running back, maybe

1668
01:30:35,240 --> 01:30:38,679
Speaker 2: even higher ceiling in the NFL. Well. I think DJ,

1669
01:30:38,840 --> 01:30:40,920
Speaker 2: like I don't think Austin people realize how good DJ

1670
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:44,320
Speaker 2: Turner was this year. I know, and I'm not saying

1671
01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:47,720
Speaker 2: this isn't a slide against Dax. I just think I

1672
01:30:47,720 --> 01:30:49,559
Speaker 2: think there's a little bit of a gap between the

1673
01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:52,400
Speaker 2: talent level and the upside between DJ Turner, Chase Brown

1674
01:30:52,400 --> 01:30:56,599
Speaker 2: and then Dax Hill. Now Dax has done it facing injuries,

1675
01:30:56,640 --> 01:30:58,800
Speaker 2: He's had to move positions multiple times. None of that

1676
01:30:58,920 --> 01:31:04,360
Speaker 2: is easy. But I think you look at DJ Turner

1677
01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:06,400
Speaker 2: and Chase Brown and if those were two that you

1678
01:31:06,479 --> 01:31:09,200
Speaker 2: could get into the clubhouse and then get the rising

1679
01:31:09,280 --> 01:31:13,719
Speaker 2: or deal done it to me? Simplifies the off season.

1680
01:31:15,680 --> 01:31:18,760
Speaker 2: Here's your clear cut weaknesses, go address them with all

1681
01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:20,880
Speaker 2: the money that you have re made. But I think

1682
01:31:20,920 --> 01:31:24,160
Speaker 2: one of the mistakes they made last year was it

1683
01:31:24,200 --> 01:31:26,240
Speaker 2: took so long to get some of these deals done

1684
01:31:26,360 --> 01:31:28,200
Speaker 2: that by the time they were done, then you resort

1685
01:31:28,240 --> 01:31:29,920
Speaker 2: back and say, Okay, here's what we have left over

1686
01:31:29,960 --> 01:31:32,160
Speaker 2: to spend, and then it's just late in the game

1687
01:31:32,200 --> 01:31:35,200
Speaker 2: and they didn't make the right moves. The quicker you

1688
01:31:35,200 --> 01:31:37,080
Speaker 2: can get anything that you need to get done, the

1689
01:31:37,120 --> 01:31:38,800
Speaker 2: more you know what you have to work with in

1690
01:31:38,840 --> 01:31:41,400
Speaker 2: the off season, the more you can attack that with

1691
01:31:41,439 --> 01:31:45,280
Speaker 2: more of a plan than essentially what they had one

1692
01:31:45,320 --> 01:31:46,560
Speaker 2: other thing, and then we'll get to a break in

1693
01:31:46,640 --> 01:31:51,000
Speaker 2: James Rapene I saw Steven A. Smith earlier today calling

1694
01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:54,200
Speaker 2: essentially to Josh Allen, it's your time, it's now, or

1695
01:31:54,280 --> 01:31:58,439
Speaker 2: it's never. Do you follow with that sentiment? How much

1696
01:31:58,479 --> 01:32:01,559
Speaker 2: pressure do you put on Josh Allen because there's no

1697
01:32:01,680 --> 01:32:05,680
Speaker 2: Lamar Mahomes or Burrow. But at the same time, I

1698
01:32:05,720 --> 01:32:08,439
Speaker 2: don't think Josh Allen has near the weapons at his

1699
01:32:08,479 --> 01:32:11,320
Speaker 2: disposal in the passing game as other quarterbacks. So how

1700
01:32:11,439 --> 01:32:14,760
Speaker 2: much pressure do you feel is on Josh Allen in

1701
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:15,520
Speaker 2: these playoffs.

1702
01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:19,040
Speaker 3: I think it's the most pressure of anybody in a way.

1703
01:32:19,080 --> 01:32:21,080
Speaker 3: The Patriots are happy to be there, the Steelers are

1704
01:32:21,120 --> 01:32:23,760
Speaker 3: happy to be there, the Texans are happy to be there.

1705
01:32:23,800 --> 01:32:26,280
Speaker 3: I think there's some real expectations with the Broncos because

1706
01:32:26,320 --> 01:32:30,559
Speaker 3: of their defense. Jacksonville's happy to be there. Like it's

1707
01:32:30,560 --> 01:32:32,400
Speaker 3: said to have the conversation the other day that like

1708
01:32:32,400 --> 01:32:35,680
Speaker 3: in the AFC, you don't really trust anybody, And you know,

1709
01:32:36,040 --> 01:32:39,000
Speaker 3: I think because of that, and because of the bills

1710
01:32:39,800 --> 01:32:42,200
Speaker 3: high expectations and how they've been knocking on the door

1711
01:32:42,240 --> 01:32:44,680
Speaker 3: for the last several years, I don't know how you

1712
01:32:44,720 --> 01:32:47,759
Speaker 3: don't feel an immense amount of pressure if you're Josh

1713
01:32:47,760 --> 01:32:50,680
Speaker 3: Allen and the Bills. Yeah, without any of those, you know,

1714
01:32:50,760 --> 01:32:54,920
Speaker 3: typical roadblocks that stand in your way that we've seen

1715
01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:58,479
Speaker 3: over the years, it's now or never. It feels like,

1716
01:32:58,640 --> 01:33:00,639
Speaker 3: you know, I always think back to what Dan Campbell

1717
01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:02,960
Speaker 3: said when they lost the NFC Championship game the Lions

1718
01:33:02,960 --> 01:33:05,120
Speaker 3: a couple of years ago. This may have been our

1719
01:33:05,120 --> 01:33:09,080
Speaker 3: only shot. Is Josh Allen for the rest of his

1720
01:33:09,160 --> 01:33:12,080
Speaker 3: career going to play in the playoffs without Burrow, Mahomes

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Speaker 3: and jackson in that same tournament doesn't feel like it,

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01:33:17,120 --> 01:33:20,360
Speaker 3: and we've talked about the idea of McDermott maybe getting

1723
01:33:20,360 --> 01:33:22,840
Speaker 3: canned if they lose this game, there could be a

1724
01:33:22,880 --> 01:33:24,320
Speaker 3: lot of turnover.

1725
01:33:24,479 --> 01:33:28,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, if Buffalo loses one quick circle back to something

1726
01:33:28,160 --> 01:33:30,840
Speaker 2: we mentioned earlier. Demond Williams, the quarterback for Washington that

1727
01:33:30,920 --> 01:33:32,800
Speaker 2: signed the four or five million dollars deal and then

1728
01:33:32,920 --> 01:33:35,679
Speaker 2: is now tried to enter the transfer portal to presumably

1729
01:33:35,760 --> 01:33:39,400
Speaker 2: go to LSU. We're hearing now Austin that per Ross Ellinger,

1730
01:33:39,439 --> 01:33:43,800
Speaker 2: the agreement that Williams signed with Washington included a provision

1731
01:33:43,960 --> 01:33:48,040
Speaker 2: that prohibited him from entering the transfer portal. So now

1732
01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:52,400
Speaker 2: the school is refusing to let Williams enter his name

1733
01:33:52,439 --> 01:33:54,439
Speaker 2: back into the portal because of this contract. Good.

1734
01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:56,840
Speaker 3: So if you're gonna be if you're going to sign

1735
01:33:56,840 --> 01:34:01,160
Speaker 3: a deal like that, then yeps get a little more dicey.

1736
01:34:01,320 --> 01:34:03,360
Speaker 3: Maybe this is the straw that eventually breaks the back

1737
01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:06,559
Speaker 3: that they have to figure something out that's not for

1738
01:34:06,640 --> 01:34:09,639
Speaker 3: us to figure out right now. For us, it's about

1739
01:34:09,680 --> 01:34:13,280
Speaker 3: looking forward and bringing in our guy, James Rapine, who

1740
01:34:13,320 --> 01:34:15,759
Speaker 3: will join us to kick off our number three next

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Speaker 2: Welcome back Cincy three to sixty, our number three on

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Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 4: Let's feel bad for us. Don't feel bad for us.

1750
01:34:56,720 --> 01:34:58,720
Speaker 3: We feel bad to talk about sports every year and

1751
01:34:58,840 --> 01:34:59,960
Speaker 3: talk about the bang.

1752
01:35:00,240 --> 01:35:02,360
Speaker 2: And here's the thing. We're gonna talk about the Bengals

1753
01:35:02,960 --> 01:35:06,439
Speaker 2: with our guy, James Rapine. And uh, before we get

1754
01:35:06,439 --> 01:35:09,160
Speaker 2: to that, Austin, I will say we've talked a lot

1755
01:35:09,160 --> 01:35:11,880
Speaker 2: about the Bearcats today. I think the Bearcats and James

1756
01:35:12,120 --> 01:35:15,240
Speaker 2: tie in well together because James is probably one of

1757
01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:18,559
Speaker 2: the only local media folks around that that would have

1758
01:35:18,680 --> 01:35:21,280
Speaker 2: scoring droughts similar to what the Bearcats have down the stretch.

1759
01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:24,680
Speaker 2: The guy just can't get buckets when needed. Uh, but

1760
01:35:24,760 --> 01:35:26,840
Speaker 2: he can't talk about the Bengals when need, and he's

1761
01:35:26,880 --> 01:35:27,599
Speaker 2: joining us right now.

1762
01:35:27,680 --> 01:35:31,960
Speaker 15: Hi, James, you know it's me against the world, and

1763
01:35:31,960 --> 01:35:34,599
Speaker 15: we're okay with that. Ask me any question you want.

1764
01:35:35,280 --> 01:35:36,120
Speaker 15: I'm ready to go.

1765
01:35:36,760 --> 01:35:37,160
Speaker 4: Doesn't it.

1766
01:35:39,600 --> 01:35:42,000
Speaker 3: Doesn't it seem like it's Zach Taylor and Duke Tobin

1767
01:35:42,040 --> 01:35:43,160
Speaker 3: against the Wow?

1768
01:35:43,320 --> 01:35:44,639
Speaker 4: Doesn't it doesn't it feel that way?

1769
01:35:46,040 --> 01:35:46,400
Speaker 14: No?

1770
01:35:46,520 --> 01:35:51,040
Speaker 3: Oh, like to the fans, I mean, obviously it's I

1771
01:35:51,080 --> 01:35:53,160
Speaker 3: was gonna say, it's Mike and Zach and Duke against

1772
01:35:53,160 --> 01:35:55,120
Speaker 3: the world and.

1773
01:35:55,000 --> 01:35:56,680
Speaker 15: Joe and Joe.

1774
01:35:57,600 --> 01:36:00,880
Speaker 2: I know, come on, I know we're going to spend

1775
01:36:00,880 --> 01:36:02,840
Speaker 2: time and all our time on the Bengals here. I

1776
01:36:02,840 --> 01:36:05,240
Speaker 2: do have to ask, because I know you watch it

1777
01:36:05,320 --> 01:36:08,560
Speaker 2: closely with what's unfolding right now at the University of

1778
01:36:08,600 --> 01:36:14,000
Speaker 2: Cincinnati and the basketball program, what are your thoughts, James?

1779
01:36:13,840 --> 01:36:16,640
Speaker 15: It sucks to see it like this. It sucks to

1780
01:36:16,680 --> 01:36:20,040
Speaker 15: see it like this. Obviously, Wes Is I tweeted it

1781
01:36:20,040 --> 01:36:24,800
Speaker 15: earlier today, like the walls certainly closing in. We we

1782
01:36:25,120 --> 01:36:27,519
Speaker 15: I think we felt it crossed down shootout wise, like

1783
01:36:27,560 --> 01:36:30,040
Speaker 15: that was a game they had to win. Obviously you

1784
01:36:30,080 --> 01:36:34,200
Speaker 15: lose to Eastern Michigan and and then you go that, right,

1785
01:36:34,200 --> 01:36:36,960
Speaker 15: it wasn't Eastern Michigan, Right, it wasn't like Central Michigan.

1786
01:36:37,040 --> 01:36:40,920
Speaker 15: It was Eastern Antarctic Michigan. They're all the same, is

1787
01:36:40,960 --> 01:36:43,439
Speaker 15: the point. Yep, that's the point is they're all the same.

1788
01:36:43,479 --> 01:36:45,599
Speaker 15: We don't need to know their name, and the Bearcats

1789
01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:49,080
Speaker 15: have no business losing to schools like that. So No,

1790
01:36:49,200 --> 01:36:52,400
Speaker 15: it's been a rough year and I was pretty optimistic

1791
01:36:52,439 --> 01:36:56,479
Speaker 15: coming into this year for this basketball program, and it's, uh,

1792
01:36:56,600 --> 01:36:59,200
Speaker 15: it feels like it's trending towards rock bottom here, which

1793
01:36:59,200 --> 01:37:03,000
Speaker 15: I hate because we haven't seen rock bottom well in

1794
01:37:03,360 --> 01:37:06,120
Speaker 15: quite some time. I think was really truly rock bottom.

1795
01:37:06,200 --> 01:37:09,439
Speaker 2: Yet there was also obviously the optimism as we pivot

1796
01:37:09,479 --> 01:37:12,040
Speaker 2: to the Cincinnati Bengals going into this year, and the

1797
01:37:12,080 --> 01:37:14,360
Speaker 2: season did not unfold how anyone hoped it would have.

1798
01:37:14,439 --> 01:37:16,160
Speaker 2: They did get out to the faster start, and then

1799
01:37:16,240 --> 01:37:19,839
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow's injury, and yet as soon as the Bengals

1800
01:37:19,880 --> 01:37:22,400
Speaker 2: season ended, seemingly, we get the news that Duke Tobin

1801
01:37:22,400 --> 01:37:24,320
Speaker 2: and Zach Taylor are going to be back, and then

1802
01:37:24,360 --> 01:37:26,559
Speaker 2: that's followed up right away with Zach Taylor the next

1803
01:37:26,640 --> 01:37:30,000
Speaker 2: day essentially saying they don't expect any changes to the staff.

1804
01:37:31,160 --> 01:37:35,120
Speaker 2: Your thoughts on just that logistically, James, that there is

1805
01:37:35,160 --> 01:37:37,759
Speaker 2: the confidence to run it back with Zach, with Duke

1806
01:37:38,040 --> 01:37:39,040
Speaker 2: and this current staff.

1807
01:37:40,560 --> 01:37:44,479
Speaker 15: Yeah, I wouldn't have gone that route. I wouldn't have.

1808
01:37:44,600 --> 01:37:47,680
Speaker 15: I would have gone big fish hunting. I would if

1809
01:37:47,720 --> 01:37:49,640
Speaker 15: it were me in charge. Marcus Freeman would be the

1810
01:37:49,680 --> 01:37:51,440
Speaker 15: head coach of the Cincinnati Bengals.

1811
01:37:51,160 --> 01:37:54,000
Speaker 2: Right, are you being one hundred? Like that's a serious

1812
01:37:54,040 --> 01:37:55,400
Speaker 2: take that you're offering.

1813
01:37:57,360 --> 01:37:59,439
Speaker 15: Serious? It's been out there for two weeks on Cincinnati

1814
01:37:59,439 --> 01:38:02,920
Speaker 15: Bengals stopped. Yeah, you'd instantly have the best coach in

1815
01:38:02,960 --> 01:38:09,719
Speaker 15: the AFC North you. Yeah, someone that would be a leader,

1816
01:38:10,720 --> 01:38:14,280
Speaker 15: someone that would be able to be a face of

1817
01:38:14,320 --> 01:38:18,040
Speaker 15: your franchise and your organization alongside Joe Burrow in Jamar Chase.

1818
01:38:18,080 --> 01:38:20,600
Speaker 15: And I think that's it. It's like I wouldn't just

1819
01:38:20,680 --> 01:38:22,840
Speaker 15: fire Zach. By the way, there aren't many guys I

1820
01:38:22,840 --> 01:38:25,400
Speaker 15: would hire right now, I think Baltimore is probably going

1821
01:38:25,439 --> 01:38:27,160
Speaker 15: to get a worst head coach than they had. There

1822
01:38:27,200 --> 01:38:31,640
Speaker 15: aren't many guys that I would hire replace Zach, And

1823
01:38:31,680 --> 01:38:34,000
Speaker 15: I wouldn't just fire him to fire him. There would

1824
01:38:34,000 --> 01:38:35,679
Speaker 15: be a very short list. And that's why I mentioned

1825
01:38:35,720 --> 01:38:38,200
Speaker 15: Marcus Freeman. It's not like I'd be like, oh, well,

1826
01:38:38,439 --> 01:38:40,720
Speaker 15: what about Mike McCarthy or this or that. No, no, no,

1827
01:38:40,760 --> 01:38:42,240
Speaker 15: it would be a very short list.

1828
01:38:42,680 --> 01:38:43,080
Speaker 4: And.

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01:38:44,400 --> 01:38:46,080
Speaker 15: They didn't go that route. The good news is is

1830
01:38:46,080 --> 01:38:48,960
Speaker 15: Marcus Freeman stayed at Notre Dame. So hope it's still

1831
01:38:48,960 --> 01:38:51,240
Speaker 15: there in that department, but we can shelve that for now.

1832
01:38:51,640 --> 01:38:55,040
Speaker 15: The point is is that it did feel like change

1833
01:38:55,080 --> 01:38:59,080
Speaker 15: was needed is needed, and the Bengals they stayed pat

1834
01:38:59,160 --> 01:39:02,559
Speaker 15: a big reason why. I think if they realize they

1835
01:39:02,560 --> 01:39:05,960
Speaker 15: didn't have enough talent. And I agree with that. It

1836
01:39:06,000 --> 01:39:09,960
Speaker 15: isn't just on that, it isn't just on Duke, it's

1837
01:39:10,120 --> 01:39:14,720
Speaker 15: the whole organization has failed to give and bring in

1838
01:39:15,479 --> 01:39:18,439
Speaker 15: enough talent, and so I see that angle as well.

1839
01:39:19,160 --> 01:39:23,440
Speaker 15: That doesn't mean that change wouldn't have helped them accomplish

1840
01:39:23,479 --> 01:39:25,479
Speaker 15: what should be their ultimate goal, which is winning the

1841
01:39:25,640 --> 01:39:26,200
Speaker 15: Super I.

1842
01:39:26,160 --> 01:39:28,120
Speaker 2: Guess for me, the question goes back when when I

1843
01:39:28,160 --> 01:39:30,320
Speaker 2: heard from Zach on Monday that they don't expect any

1844
01:39:30,400 --> 01:39:34,040
Speaker 2: changes to the staff. I guess for my two cents,

1845
01:39:34,120 --> 01:39:38,360
Speaker 2: I would like a coach after a disappointing season to say, uh,

1846
01:39:38,400 --> 01:39:41,320
Speaker 2: the expectation was not met this year. We're gonna take

1847
01:39:41,360 --> 01:39:44,560
Speaker 2: some time to make sure that we exhaust every opportunity

1848
01:39:44,560 --> 01:39:47,880
Speaker 2: and every resource to determine how we can get back

1849
01:39:47,880 --> 01:39:50,120
Speaker 2: to what we're doing instead of just doubling down, like, yeah,

1850
01:39:50,120 --> 01:39:52,880
Speaker 2: everyone's gonna come back. Can we just be a little

1851
01:39:52,920 --> 01:39:55,519
Speaker 2: transparent that, yes, this year was disappointing and we're gonna

1852
01:39:55,520 --> 01:39:57,559
Speaker 2: take a step back to look at things and evaluate

1853
01:39:57,600 --> 01:39:58,200
Speaker 2: where we're going.

1854
01:39:59,760 --> 01:40:03,400
Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, I get that. I think Zach had made

1855
01:40:03,439 --> 01:40:06,200
Speaker 15: the decision to keep the staff a month ago.

1856
01:40:06,400 --> 01:40:06,559
Speaker 42: You know.

1857
01:40:06,640 --> 01:40:08,800
Speaker 15: I feel like that the Bengals made the decision to

1858
01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:12,599
Speaker 15: keep Zach a while ago. And that's why Mike Brown's

1859
01:40:12,600 --> 01:40:18,400
Speaker 15: statement it got some reaction, and obviously I think it's

1860
01:40:18,479 --> 01:40:20,840
Speaker 15: hilarious that some of the and I say this in

1861
01:40:20,920 --> 01:40:23,760
Speaker 15: quote Cincinnati celebrities have reacted and gotten a section. I

1862
01:40:23,800 --> 01:40:29,880
Speaker 15: think that's funny. And here's why not because you don't

1863
01:40:29,920 --> 01:40:31,679
Speaker 15: like the decision, Fine, have your opinion.

1864
01:40:32,120 --> 01:40:32,880
Speaker 26: We've known this for.

1865
01:40:32,880 --> 01:40:35,880
Speaker 15: A month, Like have you followed anything, Like we told

1866
01:40:35,920 --> 01:40:38,800
Speaker 15: you what was going to happen, And so that part

1867
01:40:38,800 --> 01:40:42,280
Speaker 15: of it is what it is. So yeah, I am

1868
01:40:42,320 --> 01:40:45,120
Speaker 15: not shocked that that's the case. By the way, I

1869
01:40:45,160 --> 01:40:48,240
Speaker 15: am team al Golden in this sense. I wouldn't give

1870
01:40:48,320 --> 01:40:51,439
Speaker 15: Zach another defensive coordinator. This is your guy. This is

1871
01:40:51,439 --> 01:40:53,200
Speaker 15: the guy you wanted. You are the one who said,

1872
01:40:53,200 --> 01:40:55,120
Speaker 15: all right, who needs to be out and you need

1873
01:40:55,160 --> 01:40:58,360
Speaker 15: to bring in new guys and so all right, make

1874
01:40:58,400 --> 01:41:01,960
Speaker 15: it work. And that's where I think they clearly look

1875
01:41:02,000 --> 01:41:04,400
Speaker 15: at the talent on this roster. And even though the

1876
01:41:04,400 --> 01:41:06,559
Speaker 15: coaching staff won't admit it, Joe Burrow is hinted at it.

1877
01:41:06,960 --> 01:41:12,000
Speaker 15: You have to add a significant talent this offseason, and

1878
01:41:12,680 --> 01:41:15,759
Speaker 15: I would do it in multiple areas, not just specific

1879
01:41:15,800 --> 01:41:17,559
Speaker 15: areas of defense. We'll see if they do.

1880
01:41:17,560 --> 01:41:20,320
Speaker 3: Do you think Zach's comment about keeping the staff together

1881
01:41:20,479 --> 01:41:23,880
Speaker 3: was a little bit premature considering how the coaching carousel

1882
01:41:24,040 --> 01:41:28,719
Speaker 3: goes across the NFL, and especially now considering the report

1883
01:41:28,720 --> 01:41:31,960
Speaker 3: from Diana Russini earlier this morning that the Browns want

1884
01:41:31,960 --> 01:41:33,360
Speaker 3: to interview Dan Pitcher.

1885
01:41:35,680 --> 01:41:38,639
Speaker 15: Yeah one, Dan Pitchers. And by the way, Dan, don't

1886
01:41:38,640 --> 01:41:40,800
Speaker 15: go near that organization. I was up there.

1887
01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:42,679
Speaker 2: Don't be dumb.

1888
01:41:43,560 --> 01:41:45,760
Speaker 15: Dan's a very smart guy. He's a smart coach. I

1889
01:41:45,760 --> 01:41:48,320
Speaker 15: think he's going to be a head coach. He might

1890
01:41:48,360 --> 01:41:50,280
Speaker 15: be a head coach I told people for the past week,

1891
01:41:50,400 --> 01:41:54,200
Speaker 15: might be a head coach this cycle. And so that's

1892
01:41:54,200 --> 01:41:58,360
Speaker 15: one thing, but two learn from Brian Callahan, Man, you

1893
01:41:58,479 --> 01:42:01,240
Speaker 15: have to have your quarterback right away. And so if

1894
01:42:01,240 --> 01:42:03,840
Speaker 15: the Browns don't have a clear cut, clear cut plan

1895
01:42:04,400 --> 01:42:07,200
Speaker 15: to get a quarterback right now, which they haven't done

1896
01:42:07,240 --> 01:42:11,519
Speaker 15: in two decades outside of Baker, but they really haven't

1897
01:42:11,520 --> 01:42:14,120
Speaker 15: done it, then there's no reason. There's no way you

1898
01:42:14,160 --> 01:42:17,439
Speaker 15: should go there. And so that's got to be the key.

1899
01:42:17,680 --> 01:42:20,040
Speaker 15: You're not going to get blessed like Zach was with

1900
01:42:20,720 --> 01:42:23,720
Speaker 15: an awful year one and then a rookie year or

1901
01:42:23,720 --> 01:42:25,760
Speaker 15: two where you still suck, and then you get year three.

1902
01:42:25,800 --> 01:42:29,040
Speaker 15: It just doesn't happen in the NFL. And and so

1903
01:42:29,160 --> 01:42:31,920
Speaker 15: Dan be very selective. That being said, no, not surprised

1904
01:42:31,920 --> 01:42:34,800
Speaker 15: at all that he's getting looks. And Zach did say, hey,

1905
01:42:34,800 --> 01:42:38,080
Speaker 15: I can't say whether or not any of these guys

1906
01:42:38,080 --> 01:42:40,400
Speaker 15: will get jobs elsewhere. It's just he's not going to

1907
01:42:40,400 --> 01:42:42,400
Speaker 15: make any changes to his staff. I know he wants

1908
01:42:42,439 --> 01:42:45,000
Speaker 15: Dan back, I'm not sure he's going to get him back.

1909
01:42:45,120 --> 01:42:49,519
Speaker 15: I think that there are multiple organizations that should be

1910
01:42:49,520 --> 01:42:52,599
Speaker 15: including the Baltimore Ravens. By the way, if I'm Baltimore,

1911
01:42:52,720 --> 01:42:53,560
Speaker 15: that's exactly.

1912
01:42:53,280 --> 01:42:53,960
Speaker 2: Where I'm looking.

1913
01:42:54,360 --> 01:42:57,439
Speaker 15: But I'm not Baltimore, so we'll see if they.

1914
01:42:57,439 --> 01:43:02,920
Speaker 2: Do, I would wonder, James, if if it's still Duke,

1915
01:43:03,000 --> 01:43:05,639
Speaker 2: if it's still Zach, if it's still the same staff.

1916
01:43:05,720 --> 01:43:08,719
Speaker 2: The million dollar question then question then this offseason becomes,

1917
01:43:08,720 --> 01:43:10,720
Speaker 2: how is it any different next year? What would you

1918
01:43:10,760 --> 01:43:11,519
Speaker 2: say to that question?

1919
01:43:14,600 --> 01:43:17,720
Speaker 15: Well, the key is the talent. I mean, I mean,

1920
01:43:17,760 --> 01:43:21,960
Speaker 15: that's that's the only that's their only option. Now it's

1921
01:43:22,120 --> 01:43:27,200
Speaker 15: you have to be ultra aggressive. Add to this roster,

1922
01:43:27,600 --> 01:43:30,559
Speaker 15: leave no stone unturned, continue to add to this roster.

1923
01:43:31,000 --> 01:43:32,720
Speaker 15: And just when it's like, oh well, we've done this,

1924
01:43:32,720 --> 01:43:35,599
Speaker 15: this and this, like when they get content is when

1925
01:43:35,600 --> 01:43:37,320
Speaker 15: they need to press the gas pedal, and they've just

1926
01:43:37,400 --> 01:43:40,120
Speaker 15: never done that. In twenty twenty and twenty twenty one,

1927
01:43:40,200 --> 01:43:43,840
Speaker 15: they obviously had some significant free agent hauls, signings that

1928
01:43:43,920 --> 01:43:46,840
Speaker 15: paid off. They need that, they need a twenty twenty

1929
01:43:46,880 --> 01:43:50,320
Speaker 15: one style free agent Paul. Now, that doesn't mean you're

1930
01:43:50,320 --> 01:43:52,479
Speaker 15: going to find the next Trey Hendrickson, that's unrealistic. But

1931
01:43:52,520 --> 01:43:56,880
Speaker 15: can you find a starting defensive end, a starting you

1932
01:43:56,880 --> 01:43:59,160
Speaker 15: don't need the corners like you did last last time

1933
01:43:59,200 --> 01:44:02,160
Speaker 15: around in twenty one when you got Cheeto and Mike Hilton,

1934
01:44:02,360 --> 01:44:04,200
Speaker 15: but that same level where it's like, oh well we

1935
01:44:04,200 --> 01:44:06,559
Speaker 15: have a starting defensive end that's going to be solid.

1936
01:44:06,640 --> 01:44:08,400
Speaker 15: We have a defensive tackle that we just added, and

1937
01:44:08,400 --> 01:44:11,040
Speaker 15: we added another piece on defense. Maybe it's a safety,

1938
01:44:11,080 --> 01:44:14,559
Speaker 15: maybe it's a linebacker. Who knows, maybe it's both. But

1939
01:44:14,680 --> 01:44:18,679
Speaker 15: that's what they need is they need to go all

1940
01:44:18,720 --> 01:44:21,720
Speaker 15: in on the talent aspect of it and say, yeah,

1941
01:44:21,920 --> 01:44:24,160
Speaker 15: we may have a middle of the road head coach.

1942
01:44:24,680 --> 01:44:26,479
Speaker 15: He might not be an A, he might be a

1943
01:44:26,560 --> 01:44:29,800
Speaker 15: B minus when it comes to NFL standards, but we

1944
01:44:29,840 --> 01:44:31,720
Speaker 15: have an elite quarterback, we have elite weapons, and we

1945
01:44:31,760 --> 01:44:34,040
Speaker 15: have really good talent around them. They haven't had enough

1946
01:44:34,080 --> 01:44:37,160
Speaker 15: talent around their trio of stars in recent years.

1947
01:44:37,800 --> 01:44:40,200
Speaker 2: Duke Tobin is going to speak to the media on Friday.

1948
01:44:40,240 --> 01:44:43,639
Speaker 2: This is significant because it's not something that he normally does.

1949
01:44:44,600 --> 01:44:48,080
Speaker 2: What are you hoping to gain or understand from Duke's

1950
01:44:48,080 --> 01:44:51,440
Speaker 2: appearance on Friday?

1951
01:44:52,280 --> 01:44:57,080
Speaker 15: A couple of things, But the main thing isn't the past.

1952
01:44:57,120 --> 01:44:58,840
Speaker 15: I know a lot of people are thinking about the past.

1953
01:45:00,160 --> 01:45:03,040
Speaker 15: His comment, I don't want to pay more for the

1954
01:45:03,080 --> 01:45:06,759
Speaker 15: same team, all of those things from last year. It matters,

1955
01:45:06,880 --> 01:45:08,760
Speaker 15: It does, and I want to know answers to that.

1956
01:45:10,040 --> 01:45:13,680
Speaker 15: But do you understand that you need to go like

1957
01:45:13,840 --> 01:45:17,479
Speaker 15: all in on free agency. Do you understand that no

1958
01:45:17,520 --> 01:45:20,639
Speaker 15: one's gonna blame you if you leave no stone unturned,

1959
01:45:20,720 --> 01:45:23,080
Speaker 15: if you manipulate the cap, if you change the way

1960
01:45:23,880 --> 01:45:26,920
Speaker 15: that you've operated and really try to push it here

1961
01:45:27,000 --> 01:45:29,360
Speaker 15: in free agency. If it doesn't work, no one's gonna

1962
01:45:29,360 --> 01:45:31,160
Speaker 15: blame you. They're gonna say, Man, at least they tried

1963
01:45:31,200 --> 01:45:35,160
Speaker 15: and they went at it and they pushed and oh,

1964
01:45:35,200 --> 01:45:37,400
Speaker 15: well this happened or that happened. Well, everyone knows it's

1965
01:45:37,400 --> 01:45:39,880
Speaker 15: hard to win. That's why twenty one and twenty two

1966
01:45:39,960 --> 01:45:42,519
Speaker 15: it felt like, man, and the roster in twenty two

1967
01:45:42,600 --> 01:45:45,439
Speaker 15: is better than twenty one. It's not like, ah, my goodness,

1968
01:45:45,439 --> 01:45:48,360
Speaker 15: if these offensive linemens just wouldn't have gotten hurt down

1969
01:45:48,400 --> 01:45:51,240
Speaker 15: the stretch that they would have made it. But guess what,

1970
01:45:51,280 --> 01:45:53,960
Speaker 15: you got to put yourself in that position, and they

1971
01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:57,479
Speaker 15: haven't done that in past off seasons. Orlando Brown Junior

1972
01:45:57,800 --> 01:46:02,000
Speaker 15: in twenty two was there big free agent signing. He's

1973
01:46:02,040 --> 01:46:04,439
Speaker 15: not going on their door to sign. I don't want

1974
01:46:04,479 --> 01:46:07,080
Speaker 15: that that they might take that as a badge of honor.

1975
01:46:07,120 --> 01:46:09,680
Speaker 15: I don't want that. I want them in their offices

1976
01:46:10,680 --> 01:46:13,920
Speaker 15: very much, looking at every single option, discussing every single

1977
01:46:13,960 --> 01:46:18,080
Speaker 15: option and finding the best pass forward to build a contender.

1978
01:46:18,120 --> 01:46:22,320
Speaker 15: And so does Duke make that clear? He probably won't, certainly,

1979
01:46:22,360 --> 01:46:24,960
Speaker 15: not like I'm saying, But I want to know that

1980
01:46:24,960 --> 01:46:28,120
Speaker 15: that they're going to really push the envelope when it

1981
01:46:28,120 --> 01:46:30,160
Speaker 15: comes to free agency, because that's the key to the

1982
01:46:30,160 --> 01:46:32,599
Speaker 15: off season. As much as I love the draft, as

1983
01:46:32,640 --> 01:46:35,080
Speaker 15: much as we could talk about, go to the Duke

1984
01:46:35,160 --> 01:46:38,680
Speaker 15: and all of these things, fill these holes. Have a

1985
01:46:39,080 --> 01:46:42,400
Speaker 15: team on April first that is ready to go where

1986
01:46:42,439 --> 01:46:43,960
Speaker 15: you look at it on paper and you're like, man,

1987
01:46:44,000 --> 01:46:47,120
Speaker 15: they can be a playoff team right now. So that way,

1988
01:46:47,120 --> 01:46:49,360
Speaker 15: when you go into the draft, you're playing with house

1989
01:46:49,400 --> 01:46:51,120
Speaker 15: money and you can go best player available.

1990
01:46:51,800 --> 01:46:54,800
Speaker 3: Last summer, James, the Bengals made some adjustments to their

1991
01:46:54,800 --> 01:46:58,000
Speaker 3: personnel staff, at least in titles, by naming I think

1992
01:46:58,120 --> 01:47:01,840
Speaker 3: three assistant general managers. Do you think that at all

1993
01:47:01,960 --> 01:47:05,800
Speaker 3: changes the way that they approach an offseason or their

1994
01:47:05,920 --> 01:47:06,840
Speaker 3: process at all.

1995
01:47:08,479 --> 01:47:10,560
Speaker 15: I think that that's interesting too, and it's going to

1996
01:47:10,600 --> 01:47:14,640
Speaker 15: be something maybe we'll find out from Duke. What you

1997
01:47:14,720 --> 01:47:17,880
Speaker 15: hear is it's a collaboration, but ultimately you need to

1998
01:47:17,880 --> 01:47:20,280
Speaker 15: come to a final decision on some of this stuff,

1999
01:47:20,920 --> 01:47:24,960
Speaker 15: and will these guys well, will the assistant general managers

2000
01:47:25,000 --> 01:47:29,160
Speaker 15: have more of a role, more of a say, and hey,

2001
01:47:29,160 --> 01:47:30,560
Speaker 15: we should go with this guy, or we should go

2002
01:47:30,600 --> 01:47:31,320
Speaker 15: after that guy.

2003
01:47:31,200 --> 01:47:31,280
Speaker 12: Or.

2004
01:47:32,760 --> 01:47:36,559
Speaker 15: How about we go sign this free agent or that freegeent.

2005
01:47:36,600 --> 01:47:39,559
Speaker 15: Like I think it all it all comes together, And yeah,

2006
01:47:39,760 --> 01:47:43,200
Speaker 15: I'm curious about the process. I'm not sure they're going

2007
01:47:43,240 --> 01:47:46,439
Speaker 15: to feel back the curtain enough, but the dams are

2008
01:47:46,439 --> 01:47:48,000
Speaker 15: going to try to figure that out because I think

2009
01:47:48,000 --> 01:47:50,680
Speaker 15: that's an important part of it, especially when you do

2010
01:47:50,760 --> 01:47:53,080
Speaker 15: try to assess blame. That's what's been really hard for

2011
01:47:53,120 --> 01:47:56,200
Speaker 15: me when it comes to Zach or Duke, and there's

2012
01:47:56,200 --> 01:47:58,000
Speaker 15: been a lot of dialogue for months and months about

2013
01:47:58,000 --> 01:48:01,200
Speaker 15: both guys. Is right to blame for this guy or

2014
01:48:01,200 --> 01:48:04,559
Speaker 15: that guy or what they did here or there? The process?

2015
01:48:04,600 --> 01:48:06,960
Speaker 15: Can we get more details on the process so moving

2016
01:48:07,040 --> 01:48:11,679
Speaker 15: forward we can say, hey, congrass, I'm making a great move,

2017
01:48:11,880 --> 01:48:14,639
Speaker 15: or be you guys are idiots? Why did you draft

2018
01:48:14,680 --> 01:48:16,760
Speaker 15: someone Tony Pike's age in the second round? Like I

2019
01:48:16,760 --> 01:48:18,360
Speaker 15: don't want that to be the case this year?

2020
01:48:19,400 --> 01:48:22,639
Speaker 2: What do you make Obviously everyone is in unison. Get

2021
01:48:22,720 --> 01:48:24,960
Speaker 2: Dalton Reisner and get that deal done. And get the

2022
01:48:25,000 --> 01:48:28,160
Speaker 2: offensive line solidified. There's a lot of conversation that there

2023
01:48:28,160 --> 01:48:31,480
Speaker 2: has been about, you know, getting out ahead of contracts

2024
01:48:31,479 --> 01:48:32,880
Speaker 2: that that would have to happen at the end of

2025
01:48:32,880 --> 01:48:36,240
Speaker 2: next year. Chase Brown, DJ Turner, Dax Hill. Are you

2026
01:48:36,400 --> 01:48:38,360
Speaker 2: are you getting to players like that as soon as

2027
01:48:38,360 --> 01:48:40,320
Speaker 2: possible and seeing if you can get something done, and

2028
01:48:40,360 --> 01:48:43,360
Speaker 2: if so, which of those players would you prioritize the most.

2029
01:48:44,960 --> 01:48:49,200
Speaker 15: Yeah, I think it's super important when you put together

2030
01:48:49,280 --> 01:48:52,880
Speaker 15: this defense. What a blessing it is to say, oh, well,

2031
01:48:52,920 --> 01:48:56,719
Speaker 15: we have Dax on one side. Who it is Paul

2032
01:48:57,160 --> 01:49:01,840
Speaker 15: Athletic has great arm, lean cornerback that is versatile and

2033
01:49:02,360 --> 01:49:03,920
Speaker 15: he can play the neck if you need him too,

2034
01:49:03,960 --> 01:49:06,360
Speaker 15: but obviously thrived outside down the stretch of the season.

2035
01:49:07,040 --> 01:49:10,960
Speaker 15: And then DJ Turner, who's just He's Spider Man. I

2036
01:49:11,280 --> 01:49:13,599
Speaker 15: love I love the way he plays. I love his

2037
01:49:13,600 --> 01:49:16,439
Speaker 15: his style, the speed, the ability to make plays on

2038
01:49:16,479 --> 01:49:20,559
Speaker 15: the ball which is something that we've we've seen improved

2039
01:49:20,560 --> 01:49:24,120
Speaker 15: since he was drafted in the second round. And his mindset,

2040
01:49:24,200 --> 01:49:27,439
Speaker 15: his attitude. It's really going to be something you can

2041
01:49:27,479 --> 01:49:30,640
Speaker 15: build around. So those are two building blocks. That is

2042
01:49:30,680 --> 01:49:35,559
Speaker 15: something that you know, and so keeping those guys around that.

2043
01:49:35,560 --> 01:49:38,800
Speaker 15: That is a huge, huge factor because then they're like, Okay,

2044
01:49:38,800 --> 01:49:40,800
Speaker 15: we're set at TB one and TB two. It doesn't

2045
01:49:40,800 --> 01:49:43,080
Speaker 15: mean you can't draft a corner. I'm not saying that,

2046
01:49:43,600 --> 01:49:46,120
Speaker 15: but you don't need to be searching for a starting

2047
01:49:46,200 --> 01:49:49,360
Speaker 15: outside corner and free agency which is a big blessing.

2048
01:49:49,360 --> 01:49:52,160
Speaker 15: And by the way, Dax Hill is on his fifth

2049
01:49:52,200 --> 01:49:55,559
Speaker 15: year option. You could sign him to an extension in

2050
01:49:55,680 --> 01:49:58,880
Speaker 15: lower that caphet for this year. Big bang, boom, Now

2051
01:49:58,920 --> 01:50:01,040
Speaker 15: you have more money to use l And that's that's

2052
01:50:01,040 --> 01:50:04,240
Speaker 15: how the Bengals need to be thinking. DJ Turner. You

2053
01:50:04,320 --> 01:50:07,479
Speaker 15: get that deal done and then a couple of years

2054
01:50:07,479 --> 01:50:09,880
Speaker 15: from now, you're not like, oh, well, how do we

2055
01:50:09,920 --> 01:50:12,600
Speaker 15: make it work cap wise? You know it's you'll be

2056
01:50:12,640 --> 01:50:14,080
Speaker 15: able to spread it out as far as you can.

2057
01:50:14,120 --> 01:50:15,920
Speaker 15: So yeah, I would get both of those guys done,

2058
01:50:16,600 --> 01:50:19,719
Speaker 15: and then I would also approach Miles Murphy and see, uh,

2059
01:50:20,360 --> 01:50:22,080
Speaker 15: see what it would take. I think they're going to

2060
01:50:22,120 --> 01:50:25,040
Speaker 15: exercise his fifty year option. Maybe you probably wait on

2061
01:50:25,120 --> 01:50:27,880
Speaker 15: him one more year, but who knows, maybe you get

2062
01:50:27,920 --> 01:50:31,479
Speaker 15: a team friendly deal done and if you could that,

2063
01:50:32,040 --> 01:50:34,639
Speaker 15: I would not be against that. Obviously. The Dalton Risers

2064
01:50:34,640 --> 01:50:36,160
Speaker 15: of the world that Joe Flackers of the world, you'd

2065
01:50:36,200 --> 01:50:37,040
Speaker 15: love to see them back.

2066
01:50:37,800 --> 01:50:41,200
Speaker 2: Does this ranks as the most important offseason on record

2067
01:50:41,240 --> 01:50:43,080
Speaker 2: that you can remember for the Cincinnati Bengals.

2068
01:50:44,439 --> 01:50:47,240
Speaker 15: They all are like because we've said that year and

2069
01:50:47,280 --> 01:50:50,080
Speaker 15: the year out and they are in it in the

2070
01:50:50,439 --> 01:50:54,479
Speaker 15: The reason why this one feels like a like a

2071
01:50:54,600 --> 01:50:57,080
Speaker 15: proven off season, not an important one, like they need

2072
01:50:57,080 --> 01:50:59,800
Speaker 15: to prove it. I feel like the equity's gone. All

2073
01:50:59,840 --> 01:51:02,439
Speaker 15: the equity they built with me is gone, Like, oh well,

2074
01:51:03,040 --> 01:51:05,479
Speaker 15: they spend in free agency that this is the new

2075
01:51:05,520 --> 01:51:08,920
Speaker 15: look Bengals. They do this, and they do that in

2076
01:51:08,920 --> 01:51:12,599
Speaker 15: the past of three years, and that's a lifetime ago,

2077
01:51:12,920 --> 01:51:18,559
Speaker 15: and so they need to find a way to build

2078
01:51:18,600 --> 01:51:20,160
Speaker 15: that back and the only way to do that is

2079
01:51:20,160 --> 01:51:22,519
Speaker 15: to be aggressor show you're all in on winning and

2080
01:51:22,560 --> 01:51:26,400
Speaker 15: then win. And so yes, it's very much a prove

2081
01:51:26,439 --> 01:51:30,720
Speaker 15: it off season importance. Yeah, it's super important. But they

2082
01:51:30,760 --> 01:51:32,599
Speaker 15: better prove it because if they don't, if we're having

2083
01:51:32,640 --> 01:51:35,800
Speaker 15: some of these similar conversations and questions a year from now,

2084
01:51:36,800 --> 01:51:38,919
Speaker 15: well then what the hell are we doing? What's anybody

2085
01:51:38,960 --> 01:51:41,479
Speaker 15: doing here? And Joe is going to feel the same way,

2086
01:51:42,280 --> 01:51:45,280
Speaker 15: and that Clockett is very much ticking. He's going to

2087
01:51:45,280 --> 01:51:48,920
Speaker 15: be a Bengal this season. But you've got to show

2088
01:51:49,080 --> 01:51:51,280
Speaker 15: Joe that you're going to do everything you can to

2089
01:51:51,320 --> 01:51:54,800
Speaker 15: put the talent around him necessary to win a Super Bowl,

2090
01:51:54,800 --> 01:51:56,639
Speaker 15: because they have not done that in recent season.

2091
01:51:57,600 --> 01:52:01,519
Speaker 2: James Rapine with Duke Tobin's speaking on Friday and everything

2092
01:52:01,560 --> 01:52:04,680
Speaker 2: else in a super important Bengals off season. What's the

2093
01:52:04,720 --> 01:52:07,519
Speaker 2: easiest way, uh, you advise listeners to keep up with

2094
01:52:07,560 --> 01:52:08,479
Speaker 2: everything he got going on.

2095
01:52:09,800 --> 01:52:12,040
Speaker 15: Well, I'm in the process of launching Us against the

2096
01:52:12,080 --> 01:52:15,800
Speaker 15: World dot com. Until I do, make sure you check

2097
01:52:15,800 --> 01:52:19,000
Speaker 15: out Bengals Talk dot com, Cincinnati Bengals Talk on YouTube

2098
01:52:19,640 --> 01:52:22,759
Speaker 15: in the Lockdown Bengals podcast. Look, it's us against the world, fellas.

2099
01:52:22,920 --> 01:52:24,240
Speaker 2: I get it, man, So do you.

2100
01:52:24,160 --> 01:52:27,040
Speaker 15: Ask me whatever you want. I'm gonna be here and

2101
01:52:27,280 --> 01:52:29,479
Speaker 15: we're not going anywhere. We're gonna stare this right in

2102
01:52:29,520 --> 01:52:32,719
Speaker 15: the eye through Duke on Friday and all off season

2103
01:52:32,760 --> 01:52:33,559
Speaker 15: long at Bengals Time.

2104
01:52:33,600 --> 01:52:36,080
Speaker 3: How many how many of your Duke Tobin questions have

2105
01:52:36,160 --> 01:52:41,360
Speaker 3: you already written? And like you're you're you've prepared written? Yeah, no,

2106
01:52:42,240 --> 01:52:44,559
Speaker 3: you just remember everything. You don't write it down.

2107
01:52:44,479 --> 01:52:48,120
Speaker 2: He won't get to ask one men, maybe more.

2108
01:52:48,040 --> 01:52:49,639
Speaker 15: Than I talk about anything in my life.

2109
01:52:49,800 --> 01:52:52,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't, I know, but still do you know?

2110
01:52:52,320 --> 01:52:52,439
Speaker 12: Right?

2111
01:52:52,560 --> 01:52:55,920
Speaker 2: You don't write things down. Everything's off the don.

2112
01:52:57,160 --> 01:53:01,320
Speaker 15: I asked Zach like twenty questions on Monday, by far

2113
01:53:01,360 --> 01:53:03,759
Speaker 15: of the most questions out of anyone in that press conference,

2114
01:53:04,040 --> 01:53:06,160
Speaker 15: which is not a competition.

2115
01:53:06,439 --> 01:53:08,720
Speaker 2: Well, let's let's see where you rank on Friday. Let's

2116
01:53:08,720 --> 01:53:11,200
Speaker 2: see where you rank on Friday tracks. I know that much.

2117
01:53:11,560 --> 01:53:14,240
Speaker 2: Thanks James, Thanks James, You're the man what.

2118
01:53:14,240 --> 01:53:16,960
Speaker 15: We don't get to talk to. I'm just kidding, alright,

2119
01:53:17,360 --> 01:53:17,840
Speaker 15: I'll see you.

2120
01:53:18,120 --> 01:53:22,720
Speaker 2: Thank you James later. That's James Rapine. This is the

2121
01:53:22,720 --> 01:53:25,160
Speaker 2: start of our number three. Since he three sixty on

2122
01:53:25,160 --> 01:53:31,840
Speaker 2: the Home of the Bengals, ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. Yes,

2123
01:53:33,160 --> 01:53:37,160
Speaker 2: perhaps this could change the mood of many out there today,

2124
01:53:37,160 --> 01:53:40,000
Speaker 2: since he three sixty thanks to Penn Station. Here now

2125
01:53:40,120 --> 01:53:47,760
Speaker 2: number three on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. A

2126
01:53:47,760 --> 01:53:50,600
Speaker 2: couple other final thoughts on h on college troops, and

2127
01:53:50,600 --> 01:53:52,519
Speaker 2: then we will we'll get a little bit more NFL

2128
01:53:52,600 --> 01:53:59,320
Speaker 2: and before we get to Moegar. I was asked this

2129
01:53:59,320 --> 01:54:02,799
Speaker 2: this morning, and I think Mo's answer may be different.

2130
01:54:02,840 --> 01:54:06,160
Speaker 2: Than mine, but essentially was asked, is this the lowest

2131
01:54:06,360 --> 01:54:10,880
Speaker 2: that you have felt about UC basketball? And at least

2132
01:54:10,880 --> 01:54:13,439
Speaker 2: in my lifetime? Austin, I think I can say it is.

2133
01:54:14,760 --> 01:54:18,519
Speaker 2: There have been down years, but the down years weren't

2134
01:54:21,960 --> 01:54:25,200
Speaker 2: the down years hadn't started with lofty expectations. And by

2135
01:54:25,240 --> 01:54:28,719
Speaker 2: lofty expectations, I mean that this team I think genuinely

2136
01:54:28,760 --> 01:54:32,080
Speaker 2: thought could win an NCAA Tournament game, maybe even get

2137
01:54:32,080 --> 01:54:35,680
Speaker 2: to the second weekend. I've watched bad UC teams in

2138
01:54:35,720 --> 01:54:37,600
Speaker 2: the past, but I've also watched bad UC teams that

2139
01:54:37,680 --> 01:54:42,240
Speaker 2: really didn't have a shot to be good. This is

2140
01:54:42,280 --> 01:54:46,280
Speaker 2: a borderline top twenty five team when the season started.

2141
01:54:47,760 --> 01:54:49,800
Speaker 2: I think back to some of the Mick early years.

2142
01:54:49,840 --> 01:54:52,600
Speaker 2: I think back to the Andy Kennedy or watching Connor

2143
01:54:52,600 --> 01:54:55,720
Speaker 2: Barwin go out there and play, and I just I

2144
01:54:55,760 --> 01:54:58,440
Speaker 2: don't remember feeling a time in which it felt like

2145
01:54:58,600 --> 01:55:01,560
Speaker 2: it was so far away than it is right now,

2146
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Speaker 2: and that is a sobering feeling. Is Kelvin Sampson said

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Speaker 2: to a once bell cow program in college basketball, the

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Speaker 2: Xavier Musketeers. They're in action tonight against Marquette, Austin, have

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Speaker 2: you followed on with Marquette at Hall. No Well, Shaka

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01:55:19,720 --> 01:55:24,400
Speaker 2: Smart Man not getting it done this year. Marquette going

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01:55:24,440 --> 01:55:27,800
Speaker 2: into tonight five and ten on the year, zhe to

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Speaker 2: four in the Big East. They've yet to win a

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01:55:30,400 --> 01:55:34,680
Speaker 2: Big East game. They're starting point guard left the team

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01:55:34,760 --> 01:55:37,240
Speaker 2: right after Christmas after starting the first nine games of

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01:55:37,280 --> 01:55:41,960
Speaker 2: the season. They're starting point guard, Zaid Lowry left the program.

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01:55:43,520 --> 01:55:46,920
Speaker 2: It has been a rocky, rocky start to the season

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Speaker 2: for Marquette again a team that is primorally contending towards

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01:55:50,040 --> 01:55:52,760
Speaker 2: the top of the Big East. Under Shaka Smart. They

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Speaker 2: are currently on a six game losing streak. They have

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01:55:56,960 --> 01:56:04,160
Speaker 2: losses on the year to Yukon, Seaton Hall, Creighton, Georgetown, Purdue, Wisconsin, Oklahoma, Dayton, Maryland,

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Speaker 2: and Indiana. And yet tonight against the Xavier Musketeers. They

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01:56:09,480 --> 01:56:18,200
Speaker 2: are a home favorite four and a half points over

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Speaker 2: the Xavier Musketeers. And I'm not again, I don't know

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Speaker 2: we talked about this going into the year, really where

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Speaker 2: the expectations are set for Xavier's basketball season. I think

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Speaker 2: a lot of people said that, hey, five hundred and

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01:56:30,560 --> 01:56:33,720
Speaker 2: the Big East would be a good season. They've not

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Speaker 2: started off well, have the Xavier Musketeers. They did manage

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Speaker 2: to win on the road against Georgetown, but a tough

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Speaker 2: loss against Yukon in Creighton, which they weren't really competitive

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Speaker 2: in those home games, and then a nine point road

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01:56:48,360 --> 01:56:51,440
Speaker 2: defeat on the road at DePaul. They do have the

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01:56:51,520 --> 01:56:56,000
Speaker 2: loan win on the road at Georgetown, but it is

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Speaker 2: a slow start as well for the Xavier Musketeers. We

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01:56:59,400 --> 01:57:01,880
Speaker 2: will see if they can get things turned around starting tonight.

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Speaker 2: Also tonight, Kentucky plays host to Missouri. We'll spend a

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Speaker 2: little time on the NFL as a whole when we

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Speaker 2: get back, and then we'll talk to Moeger for quick kits.

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Speaker 2: All still to come. SINCEY three sixty ESPN fifteen thirty

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to Tony Pike SINCEY three sixty on

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Speaker 1: ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back sincey three sixty thanks to Penn Station on

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01:57:35,760 --> 01:57:40,520
Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. We'll spend some time

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Speaker 2: tomorrow on the college football playoffs because the College football

2186
01:57:43,840 --> 01:57:48,800
Speaker 2: Playoffs get back underway tomorrow Thursday game Friday game following

2187
01:57:48,840 --> 01:57:54,720
Speaker 2: into a huge weekend for the National Football League.

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01:57:55,000 --> 01:57:58,880
Speaker 3: One more time with John Sheeran tomorrow on season and

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01:57:58,920 --> 01:58:02,040
Speaker 3: of course Keegan nick is who I wonder if he's

2190
01:58:02,280 --> 01:58:06,720
Speaker 3: rethinking his decision to join us every Thursday.

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01:58:08,680 --> 01:58:11,040
Speaker 2: Which we could probably put the date on that now,

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01:58:12,040 --> 01:58:14,600
Speaker 2: well you could say it's over now. Yeah, we'll keep

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01:58:14,640 --> 01:58:18,120
Speaker 2: going with Keegan, though, more for his enjoyment as well.

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Speaker 2: UH Tomorrow night Miami and Old Miss square off, and

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01:58:22,760 --> 01:58:27,120
Speaker 2: then UH on Friday, it's Oregon versus Indiana. As it

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Speaker 2: relates to the NFL. We did this just a couple

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Speaker 2: of weeks ago, but now that the playoffs are set, Austen,

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Speaker 2: if you're handing out the hardware today, who's your coach.

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Speaker 3: Of the Year in the NFL? Tamiko Ryans It hasn't

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Speaker 3: changed crazy.

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Speaker 2: Like I I've said this before, I think that is

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Speaker 2: a home run pick. He's not even like the top

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01:58:47,880 --> 01:58:52,240
Speaker 2: six of the like DraftKings odds right now. That's how

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01:58:52,280 --> 01:58:57,160
Speaker 2: crazy this race is. It is just a wide open field.

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Speaker 2: I think right now Vrabel is the odds on favorite,

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01:59:01,720 --> 01:59:08,520
Speaker 2: just over Mike McDonald and Liam Cohen. But I think

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01:59:08,520 --> 01:59:11,720
Speaker 2: it's a I think it's an award that could go

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01:59:11,760 --> 01:59:14,280
Speaker 2: to a lot of different NFL head coaches. Ben Johnson,

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Speaker 2: Liam Cohen, our names up there, Sean Payton, is another

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Speaker 2: name up there. I mean, the list could go on

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01:59:22,280 --> 01:59:25,080
Speaker 2: and on, but yeah, what Tamiko Ryans has done with

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01:59:25,120 --> 01:59:29,800
Speaker 2: that Texans team and especially that defense has to be

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01:59:30,880 --> 01:59:32,640
Speaker 2: has to be taken note of. What do you make

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Speaker 2: of of the MVP? Is that Matthew Stafford still and

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Speaker 2: I'd like, I'm not saying anything like I know that

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01:59:41,440 --> 01:59:43,880
Speaker 2: these have already been calculated, but I'm just saying, as

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Speaker 2: you've seen it play out down the stretch through the

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Speaker 2: regular season, did Stafford do enough to hold off Drake May? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I mean nothing, None of my opinions have changed over

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Speaker 3: the last week. I still feel the same way about

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Speaker 3: all those awards.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you missed it earlier, the Bearcats have got

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Speaker 2: their quarterback. JC French is a Cincinnati Bearcat from Georgia Southern,

2224
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Speaker 2: the most decorated Georgia Southern quarterback in their school's football history.

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Speaker 2: So there you go. We did not get a ton

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Speaker 2: of time on it today because we spend so much

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Speaker 2: time on the Cincinnati Bearcats. But Harball is out with

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Speaker 2: the Baltimore Ravens. He exits after eighteen years and one

2229
02:00:24,680 --> 02:00:28,200
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty wins, thirteen postseason wins, a Super Bowl title,

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Speaker 2: four AFC title appearances, six AFC North titles, and twelve

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Speaker 2: playoff appearances, instantly skyrocking to the top of the coaching

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Speaker 2: search right now? How much of that often as well?

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Speaker 2: How much of the coaches that are out there do

2234
02:00:44,800 --> 02:00:47,360
Speaker 2: you think teams pay attention to that are moving on,

2235
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Speaker 2: Because that's what I think. That's what shocked me the

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Speaker 2: most about Baltimore is yes, they moved on from Harball,

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02:00:52,880 --> 02:00:55,280
Speaker 2: but it doesn't feel like a necessarily strong pool of

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Speaker 2: coaches to pick from this year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, going back a couple of months when

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Speaker 3: everybody wanted fire Zach Taylor, I kind of had said this, like,

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Speaker 3: there's not a pool of coaches that you feel like,

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02:01:05,560 --> 02:01:09,160
Speaker 3: you know, everybody's racing to go and get And I

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02:01:09,160 --> 02:01:12,720
Speaker 3: think people started to realize that this year when some

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02:01:12,760 --> 02:01:15,000
Speaker 3: of those names got let go. So it could be

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Speaker 3: one of those years where guys just kind of switch teams,

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Speaker 3: or maybe there's a reclamation project like Jason Garrett, who

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Speaker 3: is interviewing with the Tennessee Titans. I know Mike McCarthy

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Speaker 3: I think is going to interview for one of the

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Speaker 3: jobs as well. I'm still curious about a guy like

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Speaker 3: Doug Peterson, especially with him maybe in his history in Cleveland,

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Speaker 3: but yeah, it's it's what makes the hardball thing really interesting.

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Speaker 3: If there's any time for him to be a head

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Speaker 3: coach or for him to be a free agent, now

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Speaker 3: would be the time because there's not a bunch of

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Speaker 3: It'll be a bit eyes out there and there will

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Speaker 3: be a bidding war for him, and it might mean

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Speaker 3: that that teams that play this weekend if they lose

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Speaker 3: or are firing their coach in favor John Harball.

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Speaker 2: Our guy Mowagar is next for quick hits Sonny SBN

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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 4: From the Stacey.

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Speaker 1: Now, it's time for a quick hits on Tony Pikes.

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Speaker 1: Sincy three sixty.

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Speaker 2: Was looking for Mo. Mo's in the building. Welcome back,

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Speaker 2: Answer three sixty. ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. What's up, Mo?

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Speaker 4: How are we doing?

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Speaker 2: I'm great? How are you okay? What are you coming

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02:02:25,720 --> 02:02:26,720
Speaker 2: up on your program today?

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Speaker 4: It's a short show this afternoon. We're done at Fiveadamn,

2270
02:02:31,280 --> 02:02:33,520
Speaker 4: UK basketball coming you what upset You're gonna missed thirty

2271
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Speaker 4: minutes of me? Yeah, I'll come in and call you

2272
02:02:35,360 --> 02:02:36,800
Speaker 4: on my way home and give you a free thirty

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02:02:36,840 --> 02:02:37,440
Speaker 4: minute talk show.

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Speaker 2: I like that a lot.

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Speaker 4: How about that, I'll do that for you, just for you.

2276
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Speaker 4: I thought what we would do is talk about John

2277
02:02:43,000 --> 02:02:45,879
Speaker 4: Harball being fired as the head coach of the Baltimore

2278
02:02:45,920 --> 02:02:48,680
Speaker 4: Ravens and really dive deep into that, the ripple effects

2279
02:02:48,680 --> 02:02:50,800
Speaker 4: in the AFC North. Perhaps spend some time on Dan

2280
02:02:50,840 --> 02:02:53,640
Speaker 4: Pitcher apparently going to an interview for the head coaching

2281
02:02:53,720 --> 02:02:56,080
Speaker 4: vacancy of the Cleveland Brown so he can go coach

2282
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Speaker 4: to Sean Watson.

2283
02:02:56,960 --> 02:02:58,520
Speaker 2: Be nice, you know for Dan Pitcher, if he's getting

2284
02:02:58,560 --> 02:03:00,600
Speaker 2: head coaching opportunities to just get the call the plays

2285
02:03:00,600 --> 02:03:02,640
Speaker 2: exclusively here, that would be.

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Speaker 4: That would be something that would be something like if

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02:03:06,240 --> 02:03:09,760
Speaker 4: if Dan Pitcher gets the job, does Brian Callahan just

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Speaker 4: go ahead and just buy his house from him in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: I'd imagine he's It was a basketball game last night, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it did. Miami one.

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Speaker 4: Miami one, congratulations. I am thrilled for Travis Steel played

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Speaker 4: a good half. Travis's second act at Miami as a

2293
02:03:22,760 --> 02:03:25,160
Speaker 4: head coach is going really well. And remember the first

2294
02:03:25,160 --> 02:03:28,360
Speaker 4: two years were kind of off. They went again last night. Uh,

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Speaker 4: I am I'm kind of curious. Could Miami. Look, if

2296
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Speaker 4: they win every game, they're going to be an at

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Speaker 4: large team. If they don't win the MAC tournament, what

2298
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Speaker 4: is I gotta get my guy, Nky bracket guy. Maybe

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Speaker 4: we'll call him today. Oh and uh and see if

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Speaker 4: if Miami has a chance, what they would need to

2301
02:03:44,920 --> 02:03:46,920
Speaker 4: do to be an at large because their non league

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02:03:46,920 --> 02:03:49,800
Speaker 4: schedule wasn't from a metrics standpoint, very hard. But they're

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Speaker 4: cleaning house in the MAC. I'm thrilled for Travis Steel.

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Speaker 4: There was a game last night in Morgantown, West Virginia

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Speaker 4: that did not go well, and there was a postgame

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Speaker 4: interview last night that might have gone more poorly than

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Speaker 4: the game. And we'll talk about both. Plus is Duke

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Speaker 4: Tobin in charge of both the Reds and Bengals?

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's a good point.

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Speaker 4: Is Duke Tobin working?

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Speaker 2: Good question Fori's too. Last I checked, he wasn't.

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Speaker 26: Are we sure?

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Speaker 2: Is that confirmed? Are you one hundred percent?

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna need to This might be the first ESPN

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Speaker 4: fifteen thirty investigation because based on some things that I've seen,

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Speaker 4: I'm not convinced Duke Tobin doesn't work for both teams?

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Speaker 4: Is he going to have a press conference like on

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Speaker 4: Monday to talk about what he's done with the Reds

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Speaker 4: because it feels like Duke Tobin runs the Reds. Rick

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Speaker 4: Bororing is going to be on the show to talk

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Speaker 4: about your basketball. Musketeer is getting set to play a

2322
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Speaker 4: bad Marquette team tonight and King risburn three straight games.

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Speaker 4: Rick is going to join us and uh so much more.

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Speaker 2: You know, Rick is a reverend.

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Speaker 4: I was aware of that.

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Speaker 2: Yes, which teams in the NFL that could possibly lose

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Speaker 2: this weekend? Could you see undergoing a co change? I

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02:05:00,960 --> 02:05:02,600
Speaker 2: haven't thought about that much. Let's see.

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Speaker 4: Uh, Buffalo, Yes, right, Buffalo. There is a real kind

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Speaker 4: of Tampa Bay with Tony Dungee Field to them, especially

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Speaker 4: if they lose on the road. I think they are

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Speaker 4: gonna lose great comparison. Ummm, so let me run through

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Speaker 4: all these in my head.

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Speaker 2: If the pay if the Steelers get trounced, yeah at home?

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Speaker 2: Is that it for Tomlin? And if so, we're talking

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Speaker 2: three new AFC North head coaches And do those coaches

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Speaker 2: just switch teams in the division.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna guess Mike Tomlin is still the coach. Okay, Uh,

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Speaker 4: I think it would be interesting if they don't extend

2340
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Speaker 4: him and he goes into a lame duck season. But

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Speaker 4: my guess is winning. But like, they haven't won a

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Speaker 4: playoff game since just since January of twenty seventeen. Yeah,

2343
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Speaker 4: Barack Obama was still the president forever ago. So yes,

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Speaker 4: Mike Tomlin has never had a losing season, and yes,

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Speaker 4: Mike Tomlin has authored a remarkable coaching career. It is

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Speaker 4: he's been forever since he has won a playoff game.

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Speaker 4: They're at home, they're obviously underdogs, but I think, look,

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Speaker 4: they were channing Fire Tomlin a few weeks ago. I

2349
02:06:09,760 --> 02:06:12,440
Speaker 4: don't know that those fans who were channing Fire Tomlin

2350
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Speaker 4: are gonna go, Okay, we won the North when it

2351
02:06:16,520 --> 02:06:19,440
Speaker 4: was down and lost at home in the postseason. Everything's cool.

2352
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Speaker 4: So I think that's interesting.

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Speaker 2: The unique thing as well about the hardball dynamic, it's

2354
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Speaker 2: not particularly a strong pool of coaches. Yeah, so do

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Speaker 2: teams take that into account as well. Austin brought up

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Speaker 2: two names earlier that I'll throw out to that I

2357
02:06:32,880 --> 02:06:37,800
Speaker 2: thought could be interesting, Siriani with the Eagles and Lafleur

2358
02:06:37,880 --> 02:06:38,520
Speaker 2: with the Packers.

2359
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Speaker 4: So Sirianni I think is interesting because it just feels

2360
02:06:42,400 --> 02:06:42,879
Speaker 4: like there's.

2361
02:06:42,680 --> 02:06:45,400
Speaker 2: So much stuff going on there, right, there's just so

2362
02:06:45,440 --> 02:06:46,600
Speaker 2: much constant noise around.

2363
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Speaker 4: All the guy does is win, right, Like, Okay, they

2364
02:06:49,720 --> 02:06:51,920
Speaker 4: can't throw the ball, but they won the NFC East,

2365
02:06:52,360 --> 02:06:54,920
Speaker 4: they won the Super Bowl last year, and by the way,

2366
02:06:55,040 --> 02:06:59,520
Speaker 4: dominated the NFL's modern day dynasty. So you would think

2367
02:06:59,520 --> 02:07:03,720
Speaker 4: you would be at a job for about five minutes. Laflora,

2368
02:07:03,760 --> 02:07:04,600
Speaker 4: I think is a great cause.

2369
02:07:04,680 --> 02:07:06,880
Speaker 2: Since the playoffs have expanded, the Packers have been the

2370
02:07:06,880 --> 02:07:07,960
Speaker 2: seventh seed each year.

2371
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but I don't know that they've underachieved. Like

2372
02:07:13,280 --> 02:07:15,720
Speaker 4: you look at their team and you're like wildcard team, right,

2373
02:07:15,880 --> 02:07:18,800
Speaker 4: Like to me, he's like a better version of David Bell,

2374
02:07:18,880 --> 02:07:21,240
Speaker 4: where I thought with David Bell they were always the

2375
02:07:21,280 --> 02:07:22,840
Speaker 4: Reds sort of what they were supposed to be. I

2376
02:07:22,840 --> 02:07:25,640
Speaker 4: feel like the Packers maybe not with the last few

2377
02:07:25,680 --> 02:07:27,600
Speaker 4: years of Aaron Rodgers, but I feel like since they've

2378
02:07:27,680 --> 02:07:30,480
Speaker 4: kind of been what they're supposed to be. So I

2379
02:07:30,760 --> 02:07:33,600
Speaker 4: think Mount Lafleur is a very good offensive coach. But

2380
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Speaker 4: I don't know that, especially in that division. I've never thought, God,

2381
02:07:37,600 --> 02:07:40,360
Speaker 4: they they're better than the Lions, or they're better than

2382
02:07:40,400 --> 02:07:43,960
Speaker 4: the Bears this year, right, I don't know, but I

2383
02:07:44,000 --> 02:07:46,720
Speaker 4: don't know how the Packers' organization feels about him. That's

2384
02:07:46,760 --> 02:07:50,000
Speaker 4: also not an organization that just routinely turns over coaches.

2385
02:07:50,400 --> 02:07:52,720
Speaker 2: The Bearcats have a new running back, new wide receiver,

2386
02:07:52,800 --> 02:07:54,800
Speaker 2: new quarterback. They've been very active in the portal.

2387
02:07:55,040 --> 02:07:57,160
Speaker 4: Now they've signed their contracts. Can they still leave?

2388
02:07:57,520 --> 02:07:59,440
Speaker 2: Yeah? You can do whatever you want now, if not

2389
02:07:59,520 --> 02:08:01,760
Speaker 2: just running through this.

2390
02:08:01,840 --> 02:08:05,240
Speaker 4: Era of college sports, Like, how do you not laugh

2391
02:08:05,280 --> 02:08:07,800
Speaker 4: at it? And I'm the guy that wants everyone to

2392
02:08:07,800 --> 02:08:10,000
Speaker 4: get paid, but how do you just not laugh at

2393
02:08:10,040 --> 02:08:11,520
Speaker 4: the absurdity of some of this stuff?

2394
02:08:11,640 --> 02:08:15,160
Speaker 2: I think Rocky Boyman did three of J. C. French's

2395
02:08:15,160 --> 02:08:16,240
Speaker 2: games over the last couple of years.

2396
02:08:16,280 --> 02:08:18,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was just talking to him in the hallway.

2397
02:08:19,520 --> 02:08:22,400
Speaker 4: So you were talking to Dan about like the bar

2398
02:08:22,520 --> 02:08:24,360
Speaker 4: for next year. And this is what I think is

2399
02:08:24,400 --> 02:08:26,280
Speaker 4: interesting because it kind of feels like a rebuild, kind

2400
02:08:26,280 --> 02:08:28,760
Speaker 4: of feels like reading, you know, just kind of rebuild.

2401
02:08:28,800 --> 02:08:30,600
Speaker 4: When you think of rebuilding, you take a step back.

2402
02:08:31,160 --> 02:08:33,960
Speaker 4: Winning fewer than seven games next year ain't gonna cut it,

2403
02:08:34,120 --> 02:08:37,280
Speaker 4: I think for most hands. So how do you achieve

2404
02:08:37,640 --> 02:08:42,760
Speaker 4: this year's level of success quotation marks with the retooling

2405
02:08:42,760 --> 02:08:44,080
Speaker 4: they're going to have to do. And you and I

2406
02:08:44,080 --> 02:08:46,040
Speaker 4: talked about this, I think earlier this week. It's what

2407
02:08:46,120 --> 02:08:49,080
Speaker 4: makes this past season so frustrating. They have to replace

2408
02:08:49,200 --> 02:08:51,760
Speaker 4: a lot of really good players. If you have to

2409
02:08:51,760 --> 02:08:54,560
Speaker 4: do that, you win ten eleven games. If you have

2410
02:08:54,600 --> 02:08:56,920
Speaker 4: to do that, you win seven. Boy, It's it's kind

2411
02:08:56,920 --> 02:08:58,840
Speaker 4: of hard to swallow. So if you go, Okay, if

2412
02:08:58,880 --> 02:09:01,520
Speaker 4: you have to replace all these dudes, maybe you take

2413
02:09:01,520 --> 02:09:03,240
Speaker 4: a step back. You're willing to do that if you

2414
02:09:03,280 --> 02:09:05,880
Speaker 4: win ten, eleven, twelve games, because a step back is

2415
02:09:05,920 --> 02:09:09,360
Speaker 4: maybe you win nine, take a step back from winning seven. Eugh,

2416
02:09:09,840 --> 02:09:10,360
Speaker 4: that ain't good.

2417
02:09:10,520 --> 02:09:16,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. Can anyone beat Indiana the college playoffs?

2418
02:09:16,480 --> 02:09:21,360
Speaker 4: I don't think anybody will. Sure Oregon can, Sure Oregon can.

2419
02:09:21,800 --> 02:09:22,720
Speaker 2: Who do you like Tomorrow Night?

2420
02:09:23,280 --> 02:09:25,920
Speaker 4: Like Miami Yah. I just think like the old miss

2421
02:09:25,920 --> 02:09:29,880
Speaker 4: coaching situation at some point, at some point is going

2422
02:09:29,960 --> 02:09:33,080
Speaker 4: to have an impact, and it hasn't yet. I just

2423
02:09:33,080 --> 02:09:35,000
Speaker 4: think Miami, on both lines of scrimmage is going to

2424
02:09:35,040 --> 02:09:36,680
Speaker 4: push them around. That is of the two games the

2425
02:09:36,680 --> 02:09:39,120
Speaker 4: one that I think is most frankly most interesting. Nothing

2426
02:09:39,120 --> 02:09:43,000
Speaker 4: against Indiana, but I think that is the game where

2427
02:09:43,360 --> 02:09:45,920
Speaker 4: I could see that being a classic like Old Miss Georgia.

2428
02:09:46,000 --> 02:09:48,720
Speaker 4: And I could also see Miami pushing them around in

2429
02:09:48,760 --> 02:09:51,920
Speaker 4: the old Miss coaching situation, taking a hit to that

2430
02:09:52,040 --> 02:09:55,960
Speaker 4: program to the degree that maybe the game sort of devolves.

2431
02:09:55,440 --> 02:09:58,080
Speaker 2: So to speak. Anyone in the NFL playoffs under more

2432
02:09:58,080 --> 02:09:59,160
Speaker 2: pressure than Josh Allen.

2433
02:09:59,400 --> 02:10:03,640
Speaker 4: No, he's the reigning MVP. The guys he is compared

2434
02:10:03,680 --> 02:10:06,880
Speaker 4: to the most are not in the postseason. They haven't

2435
02:10:06,960 --> 02:10:10,480
Speaker 4: won one yet. No, there's there's nobody. I mean, look

2436
02:10:10,520 --> 02:10:12,800
Speaker 4: that there's no one. They don't have.

2437
02:10:12,960 --> 02:10:18,520
Speaker 3: Them or McDermott. More pressure, probably McDermott. I think Allen's gonna.

2438
02:10:18,320 --> 02:10:20,560
Speaker 2: Be there next year. He is, But again, how many

2439
02:10:20,960 --> 02:10:22,880
Speaker 2: Austin pointed this out, how many years will he go

2440
02:10:22,960 --> 02:10:25,520
Speaker 2: back into a playoff race with no Burrow, Jackson or Mahomes.

2441
02:10:25,600 --> 02:10:27,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, and now.

2442
02:10:27,520 --> 02:10:29,520
Speaker 2: And now going forward another year of Drake.

2443
02:10:29,560 --> 02:10:31,320
Speaker 4: May have they given him guys to throw too.

2444
02:10:31,680 --> 02:10:31,840
Speaker 2: You know?

2445
02:10:31,880 --> 02:10:33,840
Speaker 4: The offense is kind of more about James Cook. But

2446
02:10:34,920 --> 02:10:37,520
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's like win the Super Bowl

2447
02:10:37,600 --> 02:10:38,880
Speaker 4: or bust for Josh Allen.

2448
02:10:39,280 --> 02:10:41,480
Speaker 2: But uh, I.

2449
02:10:41,400 --> 02:10:43,720
Speaker 4: Went losing in round one. Even though they're on the

2450
02:10:43,760 --> 02:10:45,600
Speaker 4: road losing in round one, I don't think it's gonna cut.

2451
02:10:45,800 --> 02:10:49,880
Speaker 4: I don't think there's Drake may Is in year two

2452
02:10:50,120 --> 02:10:52,920
Speaker 4: and Matthew Stafford has a title, has a ring is

2453
02:10:53,000 --> 02:10:55,520
Speaker 4: meat probably gonna be MVP this year with Josh Allen,

2454
02:10:55,640 --> 02:10:58,040
Speaker 4: like you're judged by at this position, you're judged by

2455
02:10:58,080 --> 02:11:00,720
Speaker 4: how much do you win? And Mahomes and Jackson and

2456
02:11:00,720 --> 02:11:05,320
Speaker 4: Burrow are out of your way. I think what's interesting, though,

2457
02:11:05,400 --> 02:11:07,800
Speaker 4: is what if the Jags get to a super Bowl

2458
02:11:08,680 --> 02:11:12,240
Speaker 4: and now, like Trevor Lawrence has always been not even

2459
02:11:12,240 --> 02:11:14,520
Speaker 4: close to dinner one or just on the outside looking in,

2460
02:11:15,400 --> 02:11:18,360
Speaker 4: Like from an arm talent perspective, it's there. He's paired

2461
02:11:18,360 --> 02:11:21,520
Speaker 4: perfectly with a coach or winning the winning. So like

2462
02:11:21,600 --> 02:11:25,760
Speaker 4: Burrow's contemporaries, right, there's Mahomes, Lamar's won two MVPs, Joe's

2463
02:11:25,760 --> 02:11:28,600
Speaker 4: won none, Hurts has won a title, same draft class,

2464
02:11:28,840 --> 02:11:31,560
Speaker 4: Herbert's back in the postseason. I don't like their chances

2465
02:11:31,600 --> 02:11:34,760
Speaker 4: on Sunday Night. What if Allen gets one? What if

2466
02:11:34,760 --> 02:11:37,720
Speaker 4: Trevor Lawrence gets one? Yeah, puts more pressure us that

2467
02:11:37,760 --> 02:11:41,320
Speaker 4: you're NonStop compared to correct, puts even more pressure on

2468
02:11:41,400 --> 02:11:43,200
Speaker 4: I know you'll obviously spend a lot of time this

2469
02:11:43,240 --> 02:11:46,800
Speaker 4: afternoon with Wes Miller or on Wes Miller. The thing

2470
02:11:46,840 --> 02:11:50,320
Speaker 4: for me, like I put an account, I know coming

2471
02:11:50,320 --> 02:11:52,200
Speaker 4: out there right after the game, that timing is hard

2472
02:11:52,240 --> 02:11:55,440
Speaker 4: to do. You're emotional and maybe you say things that

2473
02:11:55,480 --> 02:11:58,200
Speaker 4: you take back, maybe not. But what I thought was,

2474
02:12:00,440 --> 02:12:02,680
Speaker 4: I think what makes it harder? And I said this

2475
02:12:02,720 --> 02:12:06,520
Speaker 4: today the whole job situation that happened in October. West

2476
02:12:06,560 --> 02:12:08,080
Speaker 4: Miller reached out, anything that can do.

2477
02:12:08,200 --> 02:12:10,800
Speaker 2: Let me know. When I had our third child, west

2478
02:12:10,840 --> 02:12:14,600
Speaker 2: Miller reached out, congratulations. Anytime I've run into him, he's

2479
02:12:14,600 --> 02:12:17,320
Speaker 2: been more than happy to sit there and talk. He's

2480
02:12:17,360 --> 02:12:20,080
Speaker 2: always reached. What makes this so hard for me is

2481
02:12:20,120 --> 02:12:23,680
Speaker 2: he's a great dude, nice guy. So the harder part

2482
02:12:23,720 --> 02:12:26,360
Speaker 2: for me and watching this kind of collapse in real

2483
02:12:26,400 --> 02:12:29,400
Speaker 2: time like we are, and you and I mentioned this before.

2484
02:12:29,560 --> 02:12:32,880
Speaker 2: I don't think I love UC football. Obviously, I love

2485
02:12:32,920 --> 02:12:35,160
Speaker 2: the Bengals, the Reds. I'm more passionate than anything about

2486
02:12:35,200 --> 02:12:37,200
Speaker 2: UC basketball. That's what you and I have in common.

2487
02:12:37,280 --> 02:12:39,960
Speaker 2: So we have this. I'm going through this internal struggle

2488
02:12:40,000 --> 02:12:42,760
Speaker 2: because he's I think he's a good dude, and I'm

2489
02:12:42,760 --> 02:12:45,960
Speaker 2: so passionate about UCEE basketball, but it's unraveling right before

2490
02:12:45,960 --> 02:12:49,800
Speaker 2: our eyes. And it makes this situation for me, it

2491
02:12:49,880 --> 02:12:52,080
Speaker 2: makes it hard to kind of find the middle ground.

2492
02:12:52,760 --> 02:12:56,000
Speaker 4: It's really hard because I think he has worked his

2493
02:12:56,200 --> 02:13:00,200
Speaker 4: ass off. There have been coaches, like good players. I

2494
02:13:00,240 --> 02:13:02,720
Speaker 4: didn't like about Tommy Tuberville is I didn't think he

2495
02:13:02,760 --> 02:13:05,600
Speaker 4: was dedicated to the job. What I didn't like about

2496
02:13:05,640 --> 02:13:08,520
Speaker 4: Butch Jones was I felt like he had one foot

2497
02:13:08,560 --> 02:13:10,680
Speaker 4: out the door almost from the moment he got here.

2498
02:13:10,680 --> 02:13:13,760
Speaker 4: With Wes, I think he has been fully committed to

2499
02:13:13,840 --> 02:13:16,960
Speaker 4: doing the very best he can amid at times some

2500
02:13:17,080 --> 02:13:17,880
Speaker 4: tough circumstances.

2501
02:13:17,880 --> 02:13:20,320
Speaker 2: They want to do a new conference, Yeah, taken over

2502
02:13:20,360 --> 02:13:21,280
Speaker 2: a team. I get all that.

2503
02:13:21,800 --> 02:13:24,560
Speaker 4: I think he has poured himself into this job and

2504
02:13:24,600 --> 02:13:28,600
Speaker 4: it just hasn't worked. And I understand the frustration and

2505
02:13:28,640 --> 02:13:32,760
Speaker 4: I understand the emotion. What I do not understand is

2506
02:13:32,920 --> 02:13:35,040
Speaker 4: coming at people that I think have been pretty fair

2507
02:13:35,080 --> 02:13:36,680
Speaker 4: to you. And that's what I'm going to talk about today.

2508
02:13:37,320 --> 02:13:41,960
Speaker 4: But look, I do this for a living, right I

2509
02:13:41,960 --> 02:13:45,800
Speaker 4: give opinions about sports teams for a living. I've loved

2510
02:13:45,880 --> 02:13:50,120
Speaker 4: UC basketball since I was twelve years old, and we

2511
02:13:50,160 --> 02:13:52,400
Speaker 4: always do the like what is your favorite team? This

2512
02:13:52,640 --> 02:13:56,960
Speaker 4: is my favorite team. I am part of the broadcast team.

2513
02:13:57,120 --> 02:13:59,400
Speaker 4: I call games when Dan's not available. I did color

2514
02:13:59,440 --> 02:14:01,280
Speaker 4: for a game this shit year, which think about how

2515
02:14:01,280 --> 02:14:08,640
Speaker 4: comical that is. So like I'm around and but I

2516
02:14:08,680 --> 02:14:12,200
Speaker 4: think I've been fair to this basketball program. I can't

2517
02:14:12,200 --> 02:14:15,680
Speaker 4: speak to anybody else. But what are you supposed to

2518
02:14:15,720 --> 02:14:17,000
Speaker 4: say when the results aren't there?

2519
02:14:17,560 --> 02:14:17,760
Speaker 2: Right?

2520
02:14:17,840 --> 02:14:17,960
Speaker 1: Like?

2521
02:14:18,040 --> 02:14:20,880
Speaker 4: What are you supposed to say when the results aren't there?

2522
02:14:21,000 --> 02:14:25,200
Speaker 4: And like, I've been doing this talk show for nineteen

2523
02:14:25,280 --> 02:14:27,720
Speaker 4: years now, and I've said a lot of things that

2524
02:14:27,760 --> 02:14:30,440
Speaker 4: have pissed coaches off or owners off for gms off,

2525
02:14:30,520 --> 02:14:34,200
Speaker 4: or players off. And there have been times where I've thought, Man,

2526
02:14:34,240 --> 02:14:36,640
Speaker 4: you know what, I went over the line. But it's

2527
02:14:36,680 --> 02:14:39,080
Speaker 4: been a very long time because I've operated me and

2528
02:14:39,240 --> 02:14:43,080
Speaker 4: I cannot share to anybody else. I've always operated under

2529
02:14:43,120 --> 02:14:46,520
Speaker 4: one simple rule. Make it about performance, make it about results,

2530
02:14:46,720 --> 02:14:50,240
Speaker 4: never make it personal. And it's been a very long

2531
02:14:50,280 --> 02:14:53,800
Speaker 4: time since I have. And I don't know who Wes

2532
02:14:53,880 --> 02:14:56,000
Speaker 4: Miller is mad at. I don't know if it's a person.

2533
02:14:56,120 --> 02:14:57,800
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's fans. I don't know if

2534
02:14:57,840 --> 02:14:59,880
Speaker 4: it's somebody in the media. I don't know who it is.

2535
02:15:00,680 --> 02:15:02,360
Speaker 4: All I could do is take stock and myself and

2536
02:15:02,400 --> 02:15:05,480
Speaker 4: go I say something that I tweets. The answer is no.

2537
02:15:06,480 --> 02:15:10,480
Speaker 4: I think people who care about UC basketball. I'm not

2538
02:15:10,520 --> 02:15:14,240
Speaker 4: talking about losers on Twitter who want those fans that

2539
02:15:14,280 --> 02:15:18,520
Speaker 4: care that much about that. I think fans have done

2540
02:15:18,960 --> 02:15:22,840
Speaker 4: have given Wes a chance, and he hasn't won yet,

2541
02:15:23,800 --> 02:15:27,520
Speaker 4: and so the reaction it's built in, and so I

2542
02:15:27,560 --> 02:15:31,040
Speaker 4: would understand it if I thought somebody was taking unfair

2543
02:15:31,080 --> 02:15:35,480
Speaker 4: personal shots in him. I haven't seen it. I haven't

2544
02:15:35,520 --> 02:15:37,400
Speaker 4: seen it from anybody who's put their name on it.

2545
02:15:38,080 --> 02:15:39,800
Speaker 4: And so that's what's mystifying about this.

2546
02:15:39,880 --> 02:15:40,080
Speaker 2: To me.

2547
02:15:40,640 --> 02:15:44,320
Speaker 4: I ache for him because I don't think this is

2548
02:15:44,520 --> 02:15:48,960
Speaker 4: a situation where he showed up and decided I'm gonna

2549
02:15:48,960 --> 02:15:51,000
Speaker 4: win here for a year and go bounce like. I

2550
02:15:51,000 --> 02:15:53,040
Speaker 4: think he came here thinking I'm gonna get this basketball

2551
02:15:53,120 --> 02:15:54,760
Speaker 4: program back to where it used to be, and I

2552
02:15:54,760 --> 02:15:56,960
Speaker 4: think he has poured his heart into it and it

2553
02:15:57,000 --> 02:15:59,960
Speaker 4: hasn't worked, and now he's just flailing and it doesn't

2554
02:16:00,040 --> 02:16:02,720
Speaker 4: make him lookers sound good, and it's not helpful. It's

2555
02:16:02,760 --> 02:16:05,360
Speaker 4: not helpful to what he's trying to accomplish, which which

2556
02:16:05,400 --> 02:16:07,240
Speaker 4: is to get this season turned around.

2557
02:16:07,800 --> 02:16:12,200
Speaker 2: That and much more coming up next in a abbreviated.

2558
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Speaker 4: It's a short We're doing three hours and two and

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2560
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Speaker 2: Want, you'll do it on the way home.

2561
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Speaker 4: You'll If not awesome, I'll call you.

2562
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