1 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and lance the boil right away, or 2 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: as soon as we could on what's been a very 3 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 1: busy program. Right now via Vikings talking Points, I'm very 4 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: curious to hear the PA and bursage call of the 5 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: fourth and one faithful and ultimately calamitous moment yesterday afternoon 6 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: in Seattle. 7 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 2: It's fourth and one snap. Rosner rolls out to the right. 8 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 2: He's in trouble. He's gonna pull the ball up and 9 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 2: it's picked up. Awful decision by next Brosner, and this 10 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 2: is going to be a defensive touchdown for the Seattle Seahawks. 11 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 3: It's Ernest Jonestop bar put the first. 12 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 2: Touchdown of his career, and Seattle has taken a nine 13 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 2: zero lead. Max Brozner, falling to the field, decided to 14 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 2: underhand it to absolutely nobody accept Earnest Jones, and he's 15 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 2: gonna go the distance for the first touchdown of the game. 16 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 2: Seattle has taken a nine zero lead. It'll be a 17 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:36,119 Speaker 2: pick six up right around eighty five yards. 18 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 3: Frustrating. 19 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 1: It was apparently so frustrating that the box very shortly 20 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: afterwards tweeted out unbelievable for him, rather unusual negativity yes, 21 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: about the call, the decision on the fourth and one, 22 00:01:55,280 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: And look, I'll say again his accuracy, Brozeman's accuracy was 23 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: so off that I'm not sitting here suggesting that a 24 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: better decision there might have turned into a Vikings victory. 25 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 3: But I am here to tell you again over and 26 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 3: over that. 27 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: I mean, you can even make the argument that if 28 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: you're going to run that play at all on fourth 29 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 1: and one, you run it with JJ McCarthy, not Max Brozman, 30 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: because Max Brozman does not move all of that. Well, now, again, 31 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,359 Speaker 1: maybe if it's a block better, maybe if he takes 32 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: such a little different angle, who's to say, but it 33 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: was maybe if the. 34 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 4: Vikings actually ran the ball on fourth and one, historically 35 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:39,959 Speaker 4: they would actually buy the playfake and give him a 36 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 4: little bit of time. But go ahead, there's no reason 37 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 4: to obviously to buy the play fake. All the numbers 38 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 4: have been in on just how inept our passing our 39 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 4: conversion rate is on what is it on third and 40 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 4: three and shorter or fourth and three and shorter. It's abysmal, 41 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 4: it's historical, historically bad. And then that's where you're back to. 42 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: Well, how many That's why I still don't believe koc 43 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: because he's acting like this is the first time you're 44 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: back to just because that's the play call that you 45 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: had set up for that situation on your sheet based 46 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: on the defense that's in front of you, that you're 47 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: then obligated to follow through with it, as opposed to, well, 48 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: who's my quarterback, what's the circumstance, what's the vibe in 49 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: the game here? 50 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 3: Maybe? And by the way, he could have been stopped. 51 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: On a running play on fourth and one, it would 52 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: have you know, it's been known to happen from time 53 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: to time. Where were they at the five, the ten? 54 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: They were inside the ten, weren't they? Yeah, I don't 55 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: remember where they were. You obviously don't want to leave 56 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: points on the table. You don't want to turn them 57 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: all over with no points on fourth and one and 58 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: not getting the first down on a run. But at 59 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: least they're starting from inside the ten and your defense 60 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: has played well. I mean example of what I was 61 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: talking about, how success tends to disguise or mask weakness, 62 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: whether it comes to bad drafts. Vikings drafts were just 63 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 1: as bad last year, but nobody cared because they were 64 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: they had a fourteen to three season or the problem 65 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: was already had already reared its head. I guess more 66 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: generally would be the best way to put it. So 67 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 1: it the circumstance is what ends up. I guess how 68 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 1: much how much. The best way to put it is 69 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: how much you emphasize a given weakness is completely based 70 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: on how much success you've had, and the Vikings have 71 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: had almost no success with any number of quarterbacks this 72 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: year trying to be you know, creative and throwing on 73 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: a down where if you have a real offense and 74 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: you have a real functioning quarter you say, well, that's 75 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 1: the play call. It made sense to to to follow 76 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: through it that play call. Unfortunately, that's not a real 77 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: world in twenty twenty five. And yet the head coach again, 78 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna hold him responsible for ultimately the underhand toss, 79 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: which was the worst sign of desperation in any quarterback 80 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:27,919 Speaker 1: in that situation. It's a play obviously you cannot even 81 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: ever consider making. But human nature being what it is, 82 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: you're feeling the heat literally and figuratively, you're trying to 83 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: make a play. And I don't know what he I 84 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:39,919 Speaker 1: assume addressed it. I have no idea what he was thinking, 85 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: what what Max was thinking about me, but it was 86 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:47,159 Speaker 1: it was. It was honestly, was one of those plays 87 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: where you want to look away, you know, you're like, oh, 88 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 1: I think I did almost like, no, oh my, was. 89 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 3: That really where we're at? Are we really there? Because 90 00:05:57,920 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 3: at that point, what was the score? 91 00:05:59,440 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 2: Ten? 92 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 3: It was three zero? Wasn't it? Was it three to zero? 93 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 3: Hang on, I was close. 94 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 4: I know that it was. The game at that point 95 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 4: was not out of control. It was three zero and 96 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 4: it was fourth and one at Seattle's four. That touchdown 97 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:17,359 Speaker 4: made it ten zero, and the Vikings had just gotten 98 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 4: the strip sack, right, they sacked Arnold and got the fumble. 99 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 4: So you're in a good spot. Even though the offense 100 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 4: didn't do anything for the entire first quarter. The offense 101 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 4: kept in it. They gave you the turnover, they give 102 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 4: you the short fields. What I was what I was 103 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 4: trying to get to. And then I had one of 104 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 4: those who's the. 105 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: Analyst on NBC Saturday Night or Sunday Night who's getting 106 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 1: ripped because he lost his train of thought, Rodney Harrison. 107 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 3: Oh, it's it's odd though. 108 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: The people are I guess somehow projecting that must mean 109 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: he had a bunch of concussions and he's losing his mind. 110 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 3: Now it's like, well, could he have just lost his 111 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 3: train of thought? That happens. 112 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I do it every day and and you know it. 113 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: It does happen from time to time. It's really I 114 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:05,919 Speaker 1: wouldn't say it's the end of the world. If kocs 115 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: record in one score games was average, well, probably five 116 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: hundred or worse with him, Yeah, I mean, but that 117 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: cuts both ways. You can say, is there a skill 118 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: to being able to run to win one score games? 119 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 3: Yeah? 120 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: I think it can be a sign of knowing how 121 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: to run a game, and I think he does. But 122 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: the other thing that gets lost that would have been 123 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: bigger if somehow the Vikings would have been more competitive 124 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: and still in the game, is Sam Darnold did not 125 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: look that good yesterday. No did well the he I'm 126 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: not saying he didn't look as bad as Brosmer, but 127 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: he did not look sure of himself. 128 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 3: He did not look confident. 129 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: That offense ultimately got a touchdown late when it really 130 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: didn't matter at that point, but their only their made. 131 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 3: Whatever success they had offensively tended. 132 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: To be running the ball or just going far enough 133 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: to set up another fifty five year ad field goal. 134 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: So again, in better circumstances for the people who have said, well, 135 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: they blew it. Not keeping Sam Darnald, the AMMO yesterday 136 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: would have been the opposite would have been, well, know 137 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: what we saw yesterday was maybe he's starting to come 138 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: back to the pack a little bit now he's allowed 139 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: to not have a great game every week. Overall, I 140 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: believe he's top ten in QBR in the National Football League, 141 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: and so you have to get him a little bit 142 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: of slack for that. But it wasn't a game at 143 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 1: all where the Seattle offense looked like it was beyond 144 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: the control of the Minnesota defense. 145 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 4: Correct, No, the defense handled it. Daniel Jones, by the way, 146 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 4: is coming back to the pack as well. 147 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 3: He is. 148 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 4: They've lost a couple in the row inhouse. People are 149 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 4: thinking the Colts are in free fall. 150 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 3: Yes. 151 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 4: The think part of Donald's confusion was that he wasn't 152 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 4: aware of who Dallas Turner was, because that version of 153 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 4: Dallas Turner has not existed. 154 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,679 Speaker 3: I didn't exist. He had a great game yesterday. I did. 155 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 4: That's cheap shot number one. The PA tweet. I was 156 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 4: at Great Food Hall for one of our appearances, you know, 157 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 4: doing the watch party. How does that go? How does 158 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:09,439 Speaker 4: the watch party go when it's that kind of ball game? 159 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 3: I mean, is it? 160 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,319 Speaker 1: Do you do gallows? I mean, yeah, are you doing 161 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:14,839 Speaker 1: one liner? Gallows? Humor kind of a thing for people 162 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: accept that and they get grumpy, Bob. They don't want 163 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: to hear any snark if they show up for an 164 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: event like that. Even if the product is as wretched 165 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 1: as it was. 166 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 4: It's not fun. Thankfully, the food's good and everybody there 167 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 4: is drinking. I'm not the and I was talking with 168 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 4: the staff there yesterday. I've had like four Death March 169 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 4: watch parties at grays, like the combined. Well, the first 170 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 4: game was the first game, the Monday night game, where 171 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:43,839 Speaker 4: it was terrible until the fourth quarter, and then it 172 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 4: was fun because the people that were still there at 173 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 4: ten thirty on Monday night. Yes, we're having a great time. 174 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 4: And McCarthy played well, so that was cool. But Darryl 175 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:55,959 Speaker 4: Thompson came and watched with me yesterday, my buddy from 176 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 4: the Gopher Radio Network, former Gopher, former packer, and Charlie 177 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 4: Swanson les why is that? They were all there so 178 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 4: we were just hanging out. It was fun and a 179 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 4: bunch of Gopher rubs are there. 180 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 3: It was cool. 181 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 4: But I showed the PA tweet to both of them 182 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,199 Speaker 4: and said, do you guys understand how bad it has 183 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 4: to be that mid game, mid quarter Paul Allen has 184 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 4: to go to Twitter to tweet out about how best 185 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 4: the call is? Yes, and did you can we read 186 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 4: it for the audience? 187 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,679 Speaker 3: Yeah? I pulled it up. Just pulled up. Yeah, I 188 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 3: just pulled up on Alec Lewis when we go ahead? 189 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 4: I mean, what the bleep with that fourth down by 190 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 4: the Viking? Seriously, Brosemer foolishly throws an eighty four yard 191 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 4: pick six, but with respect, just shocked the way that 192 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 4: play developed on fourth and short. Sorry to second guess, 193 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:44,559 Speaker 4: but this is the guy's first NFL start. Wow hashtag 194 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 4: still skull. I was donned by it? Do you realize 195 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 4: It's what I said? I go, I can't believe what 196 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 4: I'm seeing here. That's how bad that situation was. 197 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: Here's the the stat that a lot of people have used. 198 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: I saw it via Alec Lewis regarding converting on a 199 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: third and three or fewer. Yeah, this is not astonishing, 200 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: but again not so surprising when you dovetail it with 201 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: and messure with every other stat and analytic that just 202 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: continues to confirm that what we're seeing via the eye test, 203 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: it's as bad as the eye test it would indicate, 204 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: and may be worse the vikings converting I have converted 205 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: on third and three or fewer. In other words, they 206 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: have been able to get a first down thirty six 207 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: point one percent of the time. That's the third lowest 208 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: percentage of any team in twenty five years in the 209 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: National Football League League average league average over the twenty 210 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: five year span span, I should say, is around sixty percent. 211 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 3: Rust. That's the more damning part right there. 212 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: The other stat is, and somebody I've seen this floating 213 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: around too, is our breakdown on how often on third 214 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: and three or shorter we even try to run the 215 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 1: ball compared to when we try to throw the ball. 216 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: I don't even think. I don't think there's another team 217 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: that's close to us in that regard. And look, I'll 218 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,959 Speaker 1: admit that it's probably too easy to make it seem 219 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: like everything's great with the Chicago Bears, like they're never 220 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: going to lose another game. Right there, they're emerging as 221 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: the flavor of the month. They're a good story. They're 222 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 1: having a good season to this point. They went to 223 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: Philadelphia when everybody said we're going to They're about to 224 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,599 Speaker 1: be exposed on Black Friday, and they took care of 225 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: the Eagles rather handily and rushed for close to three 226 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 1: hundred yards. 227 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 3: They're built differently. I get that. 228 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: You know they don't have an established wide receiver superstar 229 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: in in Justin Jefferson. 230 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 3: I understand that part of it. 231 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: But I'm just here to tell you Ben Johnson is 232 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: not only not afraid to run on second and ten, 233 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,199 Speaker 1: he welcomes the opportunity to run on second and ten. 234 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 3: And we talked about this last week. 235 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 1: I don't think most of the time he thinks he's 236 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: going to get the ten, but I think he thinks 237 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: he's got a good chance to get six, yeah, or five, 238 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: and he goes, okay, sure, now we're third down, and 239 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: I got a lot of tricks up my sleeve on 240 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: third and five, running and throwing the ball. I said 241 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: this on Sermons yesterday before any of this nonsense took place. 242 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 1: Ben Johnson runs because he relishes it, KOC when he 243 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: bothers to run, does it just because he thinks he 244 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: has to it's a big difference in the Ben Johnson 245 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: world of offense. It's cool to run, and again, they 246 00:13:56,000 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: still have some limitations both off passing game and occasionally 247 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: the run game fails him a little bit. And it's 248 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: still a passing league. I understand that as well. But 249 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: it speaks to and maybe this has got to be 250 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 1: part of the makeover again. Maybe we still don't have 251 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: the right even with the changes we made on the 252 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: offensive line, maybe it's still not the right kind of 253 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: offensive line. Versus talk about this. Are we a road 254 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: grading offensive line? Maybe we're still not. But if the 255 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: answer is we're not, then we got to do something 256 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: about it. I honestly believe this, even if we still 257 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: want to make our bread and butter throwing the football. 258 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 1: I'm running late, So let's get a pause in. We'll 259 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: get to another Vikings talking point. We'll prepare for Ben Lieber. 260 00:14:38,680 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: He will join us as well at four forty. I 261 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: got more Vikings talking points to get to. But an 262 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: interesting text just came in via the branche on Brian Kavan. 263 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: Text line from Mike in looks like new Richmond Dan. 264 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: I know you've been kind of a JJ skeptic in 265 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 1: this season has proven he has a lot of work, 266 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: a lot to work on, which has a right to 267 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: do as a very young player. That's said, and with 268 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: what we saw from Max's additional evidence, at what point 269 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: we're willing to say it might be Ko failing the 270 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: young quarterbacks more than the young quarterbacks failing Koh Well, 271 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: I mean, in fairness, I'm not going to go that 272 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: far about failing, but I am going to say what's 273 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: good for the goose is good for the gander. I mean, 274 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: if we're going to praise Ko s every time things 275 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: go well, as it certainly did with Sam Darnold and cousins, Cousins, 276 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: you're right, then you have to have some reponsibility for this. 277 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: And this is obviously a different circumstance because these are 278 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: quarterbacks who aren't reclamation projects. These are quarterbacks who've never 279 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: really made a name for themselves at this level. Here's 280 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: where it gets funky to me, in all seriousness, as 281 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: much as I hate the national speculation we talked about 282 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: earlier that the clocks started today on are the Vikings 283 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: going to have to trade? 284 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 3: When is JJ? When is Justin Jefferson going to demand 285 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 3: a trade? Do you know who stoked some of those flames. 286 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 4: Randy Moss on yesterday, that doesn't surprise Greene started the 287 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 4: whole conversation by playing it because they were saying, at 288 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 4: what point do you, yeah, does JJ get frustrated? 289 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 3: In mos Bass said I'd have asked out. 290 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, well we asked out after one week. Yeah, it 291 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: shouldn't surprise any true. But but what I what I 292 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: more honestly do wonder is if you're justin Jefferson, how 293 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: do you not start considering it? Because let's say you 294 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: believe what you've said publicly that JJ McCarthy still has 295 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: a chance. You know that you believe in him, and 296 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: he's got to be patient and he's going. 297 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 3: To get better. 298 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: But on the basis of what we've seen, there's no guarantee. 299 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: I don't think that he breaks through next season, no 300 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:22,880 Speaker 1: even but realistically, at least as of right now, you're 301 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 1: going to play him according to the current plan. So 302 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: if you're justin Jefferson, I think the wheels have to 303 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 1: be turning a little bit and going on, wait a minute, 304 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 1: so I I've got to project this out realistically that 305 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 1: he you know, he's missed a bunch of games already. Again, 306 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: he missed the entire rookie season. He's already missed a 307 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: bunch of games this year. He might get hurt again. 308 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 3: Who knows. And by the way, somebody earlier is mad 309 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 3: at you. 310 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: And I guess me by extension about the cheap shots 311 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 1: about injuries like you had mentioned, we might get another injury. Well, well, 312 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: here's the truth of it, our four to forty seven guests. 313 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: When we talked to him last week, Ben Lieber was 314 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 1: muttering about injury. I don't think it's meant as he's 315 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 1: defective in that regard. But this is a league in which, 316 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 1: any of these leagues in which you're going to be 317 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:22,479 Speaker 1: evaluated in part on the ability to stay on the fields. 318 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 1: What they all say, it's just a fact. It doesn't 319 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: mean the player has to be soft, but it's a factor. 320 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 1: It definitely is. But I really think it for JJ, 321 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: justin Jefferson, that JJ, You're going, well, I do I 322 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:40,719 Speaker 1: have that much time to wait. He's twenty six years old. 323 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 1: He'll be twenty seven before next season, so I gotta 324 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 1: wait till twenty eight before I can go. Okay, now 325 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 1: he's ready to maybe make a big time playoff run. 326 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: Now again, maybe the light bulb goes off even the 327 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: rest of this season, and he's in a lot better place, 328 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 1: and then it's easier to project next year. But here's 329 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:02,679 Speaker 1: where again, And I guess this is all depends on 330 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,640 Speaker 1: how the degree to which the Vikings value Justin Jefferson 331 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 1: to get the most out of what he represents to 332 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:17,360 Speaker 1: not I guess have to sort of regret the possibility 333 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: that you're wasting two more of his prime years. Aren't 334 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: you back to doing what you haven't wanted to do, 335 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:28,439 Speaker 1: going out and getting a veteran quarterback, which is what 336 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: they were talking about today on ESPN. 337 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 3: Exactly the back to mac Jones. 338 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: That name is going to come up because he is 339 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: at least a competent professional. Maybe again he too has 340 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 1: figured something out. 341 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 3: Daniel Jones will be available. Daniel Jones. 342 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: And I even understand why some people might roll their 343 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: eyes and say, well, we are here, we go again. 344 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: We're back to exactly where we were, which means that 345 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: might be a year experiment or a two year experiment, 346 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: and then we're looking again and then what you know, 347 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 1: are we ever just going. 348 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 3: To get the guy? 349 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 1: Well, the timing might be off here if your goal 350 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: is to just live with the ups and downs of 351 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 1: the young quarterback if he is as ill prepared right 352 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: now as JJ McCarthy seems to be. So do you 353 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: value McCarthy, I should say, justin Jefferson that much ago 354 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:18,120 Speaker 1: doesn't matter. 355 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 3: We're never gonna trade him. You out of your mind. 356 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 3: He's too good a player. 357 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 1: But I think you do run matt risk of saying, well, 358 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: we thought we had the franchise quarterback, but what if 359 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: we don't and then we're wasting two more years or another. 360 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 1: This year is already a waste, and next year even 361 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: there's a good chance that that's gonna be maybe not 362 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: as bad as this year, but just kind of middle 363 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 1: of the road here where McCarthy kind of gets. 364 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 3: His feet under him. 365 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:51,679 Speaker 1: That's where the catch twenty two sets in. Where you go, 366 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: you might have to go the other route. Even if we, 367 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 1: in our hearts don't believe that the upside of mac 368 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: Jones and or Daniel Zones is as great as what 369 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: we thought we saw on tape and projected JJ McCarthy 370 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: to be, you have to rethink all of that. I 371 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,400 Speaker 1: don't think you have any any choice. So I hate 372 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: those formulaic story angles, you know, about you know, flower 373 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 1: Country Town to player. Gotta get him out of there 374 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 1: because sometimes it's it's it's oversimplified. But I think there's 375 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 1: some truth to it now. And frankly, let's be honest, 376 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: justin Jefferson's approach after the game doesn't help. 377 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 3: That's what got it all started. 378 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: I'm not mad at him right because the guy he's 379 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: almost always available, but understandably you're going, well, okay, so 380 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 1: where is his head at this point? He looked his 381 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: head did not look like in a good play. Helly, 382 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: he wouldn't even sit on the bench for a while. 383 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: He was sitting on a stool next to the next 384 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:46,919 Speaker 1: to the gatorade. 385 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:47,439 Speaker 3: Did you see that? 386 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,120 Speaker 1: Looked like he didn't want to be around anybody else. 387 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: He was just gonna be off by himself. So all 388 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: those things have to make That's part of what makes 389 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,199 Speaker 1: this thing so complicated moving forward. 390 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 4: I know we have to break again, but the the 391 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,880 Speaker 4: JJ discuss is part of it. But honestly, I think 392 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 4: what you talked about with Johnny earlier is an even 393 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 4: bigger problem. The lack of formidable draft picks in depth 394 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 4: on the team in general, right like and JJ is 395 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 4: obviously a huge part of that McCarthy. But I'm sure 396 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 4: he's looking at all them, going, yeah, he went out 397 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 4: and spent this money. Offensive line. They're not on the 398 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 4: field a lot of the time, even our high draft picks. 399 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:26,719 Speaker 4: Jackson was out again yesterday, Zara saw I was out 400 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 4: again yesterday. Like the guys that are supposed to be 401 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,120 Speaker 4: the high priced ones aren't playing. Like where is this 402 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 4: thing going? It's of course a lot about the QB, 403 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 4: but all of a sudden it's getting late early on 404 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 4: a lot of these guys. It seems like Kyle is 405 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 4: suggesting that I should not forget about Kyler Murray. I 406 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 4: have no interest in Kyler Murray more do I maybe 407 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,199 Speaker 4: as Wolf's point guard, but not so much as the 408 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 4: Viking shore. 409 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 3: He's a baseball player too. The Twins could use him. 410 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 3: I didn't think of it. I remember that was a 411 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 3: big thing. Is he going to play baseball or football? 412 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: A lot of people have also are hoping that very 413 00:22:56,560 --> 00:23:00,679 Speaker 1: soon on a regular basis, Joe Polett will be on 414 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 1: the program on the Bumper for show. 415 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:03,159 Speaker 3: We take him? 416 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: We would take them, wouldn't we? There's no question about there. 417 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: I'm assuming this one shouldn't this Viking's talking point. All 418 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 1: of our talking points brought to you by our good 419 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: friends at Federated Insurance. 420 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 3: Should This one probably will not take very long. This 421 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 3: is the. 422 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson production, the all of all, in their entirety 423 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 1: of the Justin Jefferson catches in Seattle yesterday evening or afternoon. 424 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 3: Justin Jefferson class skill without a reception. This is a 425 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:03,640 Speaker 3: good time for you right now. 426 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 2: Justin never has played a game without a reception in 427 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 2: the NFL. Rosmer Is thirteen of twenty for ninety two 428 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 2: yards and a pick works out of the shotgun, looks left, 429 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 2: gets away from pressure, throws left. It's caught by Jefferson 430 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 2: behind the line of scrimmage. 431 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:24,880 Speaker 3: He's thrown down so violently throw that flag. I mean, 432 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 3: what are you doing? 433 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 4: Nick? 434 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 3: Even worry? 435 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 2: That's a rookie move by a rookie, and he's going 436 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 2: to be penalized for it. Minnesota two of nine on 437 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 2: third down, pass less to Jefferson, caught it the forty 438 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 2: five dives ahead inside the numbers to the forty yard line, 439 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 2: gain of eight on third and twenty one. 440 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 3: So now it's fourth and thirteen and there we go. 441 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 3: We're going for it. Now we're going to go for it. 442 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 3: Okay on fourth and thirteen. 443 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 2: Beat that. 444 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 3: So two catches was a four yards net. Yeah. 445 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 4: The play where he got thrown down, he lost four, yeah, 446 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,160 Speaker 4: and then he gained eight on that last one. 447 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 3: That's hard to believe. 448 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 4: Get to fifteen yards for the penalty because he technically 449 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,360 Speaker 4: threw that after he got thrown down. 450 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,159 Speaker 1: A dumb play, really dumb, because it's terrific play. They 451 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 1: had him behind the line of scrimmage and not that. 452 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 1: I mean, look at the time, I'm going, well, maybe 453 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 1: this this is what lights a fire into the vikings. 454 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 1: I should have known better than that. There was no 455 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: fire that was going to change everything in that game. 456 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 3: But yeah, not it. 457 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: It didn't go particularly well for JJ. As we said, 458 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,679 Speaker 1: his numbers have been well chronicled regarding what he the 459 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 1: average number of yards he has had with pretty much 460 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: several different quarterbacks before McCarthy. With McCarthy was a forty 461 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: five yards, fifty yards, and obviously with Brozmer it was 462 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:52,919 Speaker 1: net of four yards as well. Oh, was there anything 463 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:57,479 Speaker 1: else from the I listened to a decent amount of 464 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:02,159 Speaker 1: them of the koc pressure today. Did anything else strike 465 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:06,680 Speaker 1: you about it? Other than he seemed. He did seem 466 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 1: rather forlorn. 467 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:08,120 Speaker 3: They did. 468 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: The tone, The tone seemed a little bit more what's 469 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 1: the word I'm looking for, surrender worthy. 470 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 3: I don't know. 471 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: He'll never admit to that and would never agree with it, 472 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,880 Speaker 1: but it just it just looked like he was more 473 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 1: resigned to the Vikings fate than I've seen before. He 474 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: did bring up Adam Feelin before he started taking questions 475 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 1: from the Jackals. Yep, and most of you probably know 476 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 1: by now, Feeling has been released by the Vikings. He'd 477 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 1: apparently asked to be released a week ago, and he's 478 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,439 Speaker 1: irregular with us at three point thirty. He did not 479 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: guards you. Did reach out to him today, but he 480 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: has not responded. Maybe he does not want to talk 481 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:47,919 Speaker 1: at this point. We'd love to have him on at 482 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: least once more. 483 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 3: There. 484 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting because some of the texts from 485 00:26:54,600 --> 00:27:01,919 Speaker 1: people are very, very tough on Feeling. And I'm not 486 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: here to automatically defend him because he's been on our 487 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 1: show every week, But I think you're kind of missing 488 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: the point, at least for me. I look at the Feeling. 489 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:19,439 Speaker 1: I always viewed his acquisition as insurance, especially because the 490 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,120 Speaker 1: Vikings are going to be without Addison was the first 491 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 1: three weeks. 492 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 3: Yep. They kind of projected that's what they was going 493 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:26,880 Speaker 3: to be the case. That's what turned out to be. Yep. 494 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,439 Speaker 1: And JJ was heard during training camp too, exactly. You 495 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 1: throw those two things in and you assume it's the 496 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: game of football. Well, we're gonna lose a receiver during 497 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 1: the season two and it's probably been the healthiest position 498 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: on the entire team. Now can you argue well that, 499 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: but yeah, if you're a wily veteran, you still should 500 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,160 Speaker 1: find a way to make yourself more vital and he has. 501 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: I think you dropped three passes. The answer to that 502 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:58,680 Speaker 1: question is ordinarily yes, but not with the current quarterback situation. 503 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 1: This is unprecedented what this Vikings offense is going through 504 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,439 Speaker 1: in terms of the quarterback position. It really is for 505 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: this organization for sure, and some others have been through it. 506 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: But at that point, all bets are off on my 507 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 1: ability to evaluate any of the receivers. I know we've 508 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 1: dropped some balls. I know it could have helped the 509 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 1: ear guy Brosemer out yesterday that went over the middle, 510 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: although I did think he needed to put a little 511 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: bit more under a little more air on it, under it. 512 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: But and even with McCarthy, have there been some catches 513 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 1: that should have been made? Yes? 514 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 3: Does he throw a hard ball? 515 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 4: Yeah? 516 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 1: I think that's true too, And a lot of the 517 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 1: balls aren't even close to the same area code. So 518 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 1: I never had the expectations at Adam Thielen, We're going 519 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 1: to see Adam Thielen in his prime catching six balls 520 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 1: a game or anything like that. So I'm not as 521 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: down on the acquisition. I went into it with eyes open. Clearly, 522 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 1: he's disappointed that it's ending this way. There's no way 523 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 1: he of course this was orchestrated the way it was 524 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 1: with him thinking well, i'mnn have leave again, okay, And 525 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 1: I don't know if he's gonna have a landing place, 526 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 1: whether he's gonna have a chance where he goes to 527 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 1: actually contribute. But I don't I don't think we can 528 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: honestly evaluate any of the receivers right now in the Vikings, 529 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: including the ones in their prime, on the basis of 530 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: the way this thing has played out at the at 531 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: the quarterback position. 532 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 3: You know what else? 533 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 4: Hurt feelings that Jalen Naylors had a pretty good but yeah, 534 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 4: exactly like the question I think developed into a really 535 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 4: nice piece. Again, we're not gonna get the full experience 536 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 4: with him because of how the quarterbacks have played. But 537 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 4: when Naylor's playing really well, making tough catches the dagger 538 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 4: catch a couple of weeks ago against Detroit like he's 539 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 4: playing well, So that was gonna hurt Adam Theelen too. 540 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 1: Well, now I'm logged out again and said, I'm gonna 541 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 1: have to get the verification code again. 542 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 3: It's good system. Well he got a break before Leber. Yeah, 543 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 3: we do. 544 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 1: Let's do that and then we'll get Nacho's second day 545 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 1: take on the first day or something like that of 546 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 1: what he observed regarding the late the the I guess 547 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: you could say night marriage performance in Seattle, not to 548 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 1: be confused with several other night marriage performances in Seattle 549 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 1: for the Vikings over the decades, liber and more Vikings 550 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: Talking Points, Top five at five yet to come, and 551 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 1: much more SATs