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Speaker 1: us more time today. If you have a question for Ben,

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Speaker 1: it can be Vikings related, or it can be wild

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Speaker 1: Card weekend related. Five games in the books, a sixth

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Speaker 1: game tonight which can be heard on the plus we

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Speaker 1: Brian Cafey, and text line for contributions as always is

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Speaker 1: six four, six, eight six.

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Speaker 2: For Ben liber through five.

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Speaker 1: Very well, four at least a five highly entertaining, exciting games.

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Speaker 2: What was the single biggest surprise.

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Speaker 3: Wow, that's a tough one. And I might say that

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Speaker 3: I was thoroughly impressed with Carolina. I think it's just

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Speaker 3: I thought they were physical. I thought they ran the ball,

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Speaker 3: you know, more effectively that I thought Bryce made you know,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting because who was the on the color

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: He alsoen bugged me a little bit in this broadcast

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Speaker 1: Stafford led them on the drive that he had to

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Speaker 3: I think that's a great point. I do think a

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Speaker 3: lot of announcers, you know, I've certainly been in those

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Speaker 3: You know, it is difficult. I mean, the thing is

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Speaker 1: I'm still gobsmacked that the Bears scored twenty five points

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Speaker 1: It's one of the highest scoring quarters in the history

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Speaker 1: Maybe it wouldn't have mattered who was coaching, but sure

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Speaker 3: Well, I think I think when he first got there,

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Speaker 1: Because he's still really not much more than a fifty

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Speaker 2: Let me ask you another quarterback question.

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Speaker 1: This is the hypothetical game we love to play on

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Speaker 1: third straight or third playoff appearance, Justin Herbert looked awful.

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Speaker 1: He looked nothing like a franchise quarterback. At times, he

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Speaker 1: I don't care what his arm strength allows him to do.

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Speaker 1: It ain't translating the postseason, so we're ready to look

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Speaker 1: at offers for Justin Herbert if that eventuality actually existed.

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Speaker 1: They are Vikings fans, some Vikings fans who said their

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Speaker 3: Are you kidding me? That would definitely be in on that. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I I truly think that he's tailor made for KOs.

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Speaker 3: He's got a dynamic arm. He's shown time and time again.

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Speaker 3: He can make touch throws down the field. He can

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Speaker 3: I have a ton of faith in what we've seen

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Speaker 1: If you trust in Koc with a finished product in

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Speaker 3: We're going to take care of you when the game's over.

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Speaker 3: I would say, let's not get emotional and fire one

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Speaker 2: We can't allow that to stand.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure to be a sensible decision, because, as

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Speaker 1: then maybe it's easier to say, yeah, let's go ahead

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Speaker 3: Well, and that that may be it. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: he says now is white noise and you quote unquote

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Speaker 1: How impressed were you by the forty nine ers gutting

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Speaker 3: He's like, you see immediately the selflessness of the players

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Speaker 3: I don't know what they do. Doesn't sound like AJ

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Speaker 3: A lot of people want him out, and I feel

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Speaker 1: Is he the best all around running back of the

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Speaker 3: Years, Yeah, it seems like that. I mean, the guy

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Speaker 1: very carefully produced and released on the brand right, and

438
00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 1: it might be giving out the game balls, it might

439
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:03,439
Speaker 1: be Benchjhsen losing his mind. It might be Ben Johnson saying, bleep,

440
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 1: you you know, I hate the Packers. Whatever the case

441
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:09,359
Speaker 1: may be, if you're a player, and what it guards

442
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 1: these points was his assumption.

443
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 2: Is this has always gone on.

444
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 1: It's just we now see it more because teams have

445
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 1: decided to go more public with them because they think

446
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:21,359
Speaker 1: it's good branding. I worry about whether it starts becoming

447
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,680
Speaker 1: a little bit performative if it's done over and over again.

448
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 1: But I'm not a locker room guy. I'm not a

449
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,159
Speaker 1: guy who was a member of a football fraternity. So

450
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,879
Speaker 1: in your career, did you guys, I mean, did you

451
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,120
Speaker 1: guys get inspired by that stuff? Did you get entertained

452
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,880
Speaker 1: by did you love it when coaches would speak after

453
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 1: games the way Let's say, you know koc often does,

454
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 1: or Ben Johnson did after this game, or you kind

455
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:49,119
Speaker 1: of I'll tolerate it, but I don't really need it.

456
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:50,400
Speaker 2: How was it for you?

457
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 3: Well, I think this situation's different because it is legit

458
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:02,200
Speaker 3: coming from the head coaches actions, which I think, over time,

459
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 3: I think can kind of recreate this heated rivalry. But

460
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 3: to answer your question, you know a lot of us

461
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 3: thought it was just silliness. You know, we would hear

462
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 3: guys or former players come back and during packer week

463
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 3: and give this raw raw f everything speech, and it's

464
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,159
Speaker 3: like a whole bunch of you know, four letter words

465
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 3: and how much we have to hate them and you're

466
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:31,879
Speaker 3: like yeah, yeah, yeah, like those are friends on the

467
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,639
Speaker 3: other side of the ball, right, you know, and we

468
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 3: didn't because of things that gets built up over eight

469
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 3: nine years of heated rivalry. It's like, hey man, I

470
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 3: just got here, you know, like I'm getting used to

471
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 3: like political rivalry. It doesn't historically, it doesn't mean much.

472
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 3: And I think in this situation though, the thing that

473
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 3: Ben Johnson the mistake he made. If you want it

474
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 3: to be, if you wanted to be WWE style and

475
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 3: have this storyline and you want to recreate a rivalry

476
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 3: because you give this really curse handshake and it seems

477
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 3: like you guys hate each other, then then stick with

478
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 3: that narrative. Don't come out the next day and admit

479
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,640
Speaker 3: that like, hey, I'm just trying to bring back the rivalry,

480
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 3: Like well no, you just let the cat on the back.

481
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 2: Yeah right, better?

482
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,400
Speaker 3: If it's better, if you just play the heel, you'd

483
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 3: be the heel. You created yourself as the heel character.

484
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,119
Speaker 3: Don't go backstage with me and Gene and be like

485
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 3: just a bit, It's just a bit me and Jane.

486
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 3: It's like, no, dude, Like you got to stay you

487
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 3: got to stay in character, and I think that's the

488
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,160
Speaker 3: biggest mistake he just made.

489
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a fair point. That's a very very honest answer.

490
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 2: As we knew you.

491
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 4: Never hated the Packers enough. I could tell the real

492
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 4: Vikings fans could tell you never hated the Packers enough.

493
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 3: I know. I know it was that transparent, and I

494
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 3: know it and I get it and I own up

495
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 3: to it.

496
00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 2: I could tell Greenway hated him. That's probably true. Of course, he.

497
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,199
Speaker 3: Hated the Saints more than I guess I do.

498
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 2: So I don't know that could be.

499
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,479
Speaker 1: By the way, Charlie from Prior Lake wants to know

500
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 1: when Ben's new write aid notebook is expected to be

501
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,919
Speaker 1: delivered and how excited is he or are you to

502
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 1: try it out?

503
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,640
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I am so. I'm so excited, Guardsy.

504
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 3: You and I talked about this last year of taking

505
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 3: notes on the sideline. Yeah, when when it's either raining

506
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,719
Speaker 3: or snowing outside. And so I was talking about this

507
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 3: this morning because I'm I'm working the Patriots game this

508
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,400
Speaker 3: weekend for Westwood and I'm there might be a little

509
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,160
Speaker 3: bit of snow in the forecast. I'm like, that's cool.

510
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 3: It's gonna look great. It's gonna be terrible for us

511
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 3: to sideline reporters to take notes. And then John krieselll

512
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 3: text me is like, hey, here's this book. It's called

513
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 3: like right on something. I even forgot the name of it,

514
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,400
Speaker 3: but basically, you can like write underwater with this thing.

515
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 3: And it's got like a waxy you know paper that

516
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 3: you can use pencil or regular pen or marker on it.

517
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 3: You can use whatever you want on it, and it stays,

518
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,239
Speaker 3: it doesn't smear and everything. I can't tell you how

519
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 3: excited I am, just because I love office supplies anyway. Yeah.

520
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 3: I love going to office depot, office max, whatever you

521
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 3: want to call it, like cruising around for like more

522
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:21,479
Speaker 3: note cards and the latest pen and I get it right.

523
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 3: So when I saw this and pulled it up on

524
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 3: the internet, I'm like done. I ordered two of them,

525
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 3: one of each size. I don't know which one I'm

526
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 3: gonna like. Now, guardsy, you're gonna love this.

527
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 5: Now.

528
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,120
Speaker 3: They've got the spiral on top options or the spiral

529
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 3: on the side option or whatever you want. I don't

530
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 3: know what it is. I'll send you the link so

531
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:42,880
Speaker 3: you can order a few yourself.

532
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 2: I think top is easier.

533
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 1: Yes, Like in my reporting career, I definitely preferred Top

534
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: rather than it seems like Side is more effort to

535
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 1: change the pages, and.

536
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 2: I use Top for my sideline.

537
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 4: Solf And I heard you this morning, Ben, and I

538
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 4: was right there with you, like talking about this, and

539
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 4: I shared your excitement when you discovered the link from Kriesel.

540
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 4: And I do need to get that link because I

541
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 4: don't deal with in bad weather as much because we're

542
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 4: done in November, but every once in a while you do,

543
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 4: and it's it'll be helpful to have this, So I'm

544
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 4: right with you.

545
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 3: Oh, I even put on a rush delivery. You guys,

546
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 3: I paid him. I paid that.

547
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 2: Why not, you're not living check at check.

548
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 3: I mean, I just want to make sure that I

549
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 3: have it by this weekend, and I want to be

550
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 3: on record. I want to hear both of you guys

551
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 3: say that you prefer the TOP.

552
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: I definitely do one hundred percent. Yes, not even close

553
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: Top for sure for sure. By the way, I also

554
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: got this text. A six to one to two guy

555
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: recently learned that old time pro wrestler Dick the Bruiser

556
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: had a urinal in his house at least forty years

557
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: before Lieber got his So, I, I mean, I don't

558
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: know why that. It sounds like he's accusing you of

559
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: something like stealing Dick the Bruiser's material. I'm not sure,

560
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: but he wanted for the record to let it be

561
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: known that long before you got a urinal in your house,

562
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: Dick the Bruiser had one.

563
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 2: Your thoughts, how did Dick?

564
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 3: How did Dick the Bruiser get that nickname? Is what

565
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 3: I want to say. He needs to take easy, take

566
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 3: it easy on himself, you know, like.

567
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 2: That's another story for another Power Trip morning show.

568
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 3: I think, I know, I know, Wow, what a nickname. Yeah,

569
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 3: I guess so, I mean, I guess I was stealing

570
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 3: his material, you know, urinals in someone's home. It's just

571
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 3: such a far fetched idea.

572
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 2: He really is.

573
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 3: So yeah, whoever, whoever, I'll give Dick the Bruiser the credit.

574
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 3: He needs it. He needs an ointment more than.

575
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 2: Sent him a link.

576
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:40,479
Speaker 3: Uh.

577
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: Finally, seven to six, three Guy asks which current Viking

578
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: could ultimately make a great sideline reporter.

579
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 2: I love that question.

580
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, that's really good. I gotta like really

581
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 3: think about that. I think I think Johnson Grenard has

582
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 3: just a great personality. I think you could just have

583
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 3: sports media in that role.

584
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 2: That's good nomination right there. Yeah, Aaron Jones, Yeah, yeah,

585
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 2: you're right.

586
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 3: Another he's another good one.

587
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

588
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 3: I think Isaiah Rodgers could be a good a good

589
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 3: sports personality.

590
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: So we got a lot of them. You're saying you're doing.

591
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: You mentioned it, You just kind of threw it in

592
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: there very nicely. You didn't make a big issue of it,

593
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: you didn't call attention to it, but be very subtly

594
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: played it.

595
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 2: We were going to get to it.

596
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: You're going to be doing a siline reporting for the

597
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: Patriots game for Westwood One.

598
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 3: Correct. Yeah, I got that assignment last late last night

599
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 3: at about ten o'clock, ten thirty. I kind of knew

600
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 3: something maybe was going to come down the pipe, so

601
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 3: I didn't know what I was going to hear, but

602
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 3: heard from mister executive producer Mike Ebe that yeah, I'll

603
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 3: be working the Patriots game. Now. Obviously we have to

604
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 3: wait to see who they play. That's going to happen tonight,

605
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 3: and we also TVD we don't know what time on Sunday,

606
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 3: so you know, again selfishly thinking I hope it's the

607
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 3: noon game and that way I can make it back

608
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 3: from Old Providence Rhode Island Airport back in time Sunday

609
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 3: night and not have to waste a day on Monday morning.

610
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 3: So yeah, well I'm super excited. It'll be a lot

611
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 3: of fun. And let's all pray that there's not a

612
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 3: lot of pre sip in Foxborough and it's a great game.

613
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 3: But you're.

614
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 6: In the rain.

615
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 2: He could happen. We're ready.

616
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 3: I guess I should change my Yeah, I should change

617
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 3: my my thought process. And then now that I have

618
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 3: the fancy notebook coming my way, I should probably hope

619
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 3: for like a rain storm or something and be like,

620
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 3: this is amazing.

621
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 2: When's it do?

622
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 5: Right?

623
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 2: Is it do tomorrow or Wednesday?

624
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 3: When you get Wednesday?

625
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 2: Wednesday?

626
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 3: Your Wednesday? I think I think normal. Like free mail

627
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 3: it said it was gonna be like Thursday or Friday.

628
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, I'm too close. I gotta fly out Saturday,

629
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 3: like now. I need it right now.

630
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 2: I can't wait. That'd be good.

631
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 1: By the way, who do you have tonight? Pittsburgh hosting Houston.

632
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 3: I've Houston. You know, I have not been impressed by

633
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 3: the way Pittsburgh's been winning games, especially even last week.

634
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 3: I think that Houston's offense just has to be okay

635
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 3: and their defenses to has to just do what they

636
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 3: do if they don't have to do anything extra special extraordinary.

637
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 3: I think if the defense is who they are in

638
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 3: the offense doesn't completely like turn the ball over left

639
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 3: and right, then I think Houston's the better team and

640
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 3: I think they should probably win.

641
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: As a wild land firefighter, right in the Rain notebooks

642
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: are a must. That's Dave out of Duluth with the

643
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: seal of approval right there there it is.

644
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know what, I've had so many amazing

645
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 3: people that listen to all sad me so it is

646
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 3: called right in the Rain r R T. Right, Yeah,

647
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 3: I have. I've got probably ten different people that reached

648
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 3: out and said like, hey, this is what you got

649
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 3: to use. So it's highly recommended. Maybe just maybe you guys,

650
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 3: you might have a gift coming your way.

651
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 2: I can't wait.

652
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: That'd be outstanding and to save travels to Providence in

653
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: the greater Foxborough area.

654
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 2: Good luck on the call.

655
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: I'm sure you'll have a lot of fun whoever the

656
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: Patriots play, and we will chat soon.

657
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 2: Thanks for the bonus time.

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Speaker 3: Today sounds great.

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Speaker 2: Thank guys, appreciate you, Natcho liber Benlieber.

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Speaker 1: The final playoff game of wild Card Weekend will be

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Speaker 1: have Johnny Athletic at the bottom of the hour, so

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Speaker 1: let's attempt to get caught up. We'll get to a

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Speaker 1: I got a text earlier from I think a very

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Speaker 1: frustrated Vikings fan regarding the opening of the show, to

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Speaker 1: ask me to say three positive things on today's program.

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Speaker 1: I think I've already said a minimum of two, but

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Speaker 1: he's probably not counting those because they're not necessarily related

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Speaker 1: to any of his favorite teams. Good look, So I'll

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Speaker 1: add one related maybe to one of his favorite teams

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Speaker 1: in Minnesota Timber has had a very nice victory at home,

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Speaker 1: coming from behind against the San Antonio Spurs.

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Speaker 2: Davy.

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Speaker 1: This came on the heels of giving up i think

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Speaker 1: ninety four points in the second half to the Cleveland

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Speaker 1: Cavaliers on the road. The NBA season for a lot

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Speaker 1: of teams is becoming I don't know if anybody's in

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Speaker 1: the analytics of this.

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Speaker 2: It feels like we've got even a lot of good teams.

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Speaker 1: Showing some extreme performances on both ends of the scale

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Speaker 1: that it's hard to get a handle on. Part of

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Speaker 1: it is the point totals are through the roof in general,

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Speaker 1: but it was a really good performance. I would call

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Speaker 1: it a muscular performance by the club literally and figuratively.

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Speaker 1: Randall down the stretch with Wemby was tremendous defensively, just

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Speaker 1: trying to get in his grill. Well, no, he's not

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Speaker 1: tall enough to get in his grill, to get into

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Speaker 1: his midsection right, and just pound on him and try

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Speaker 1: to make him turn in directions he didn't want to go.

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Speaker 2: And I thought that was exemplary work by Randall.

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Speaker 1: And this might be my favorite new shot that Anthony

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Speaker 1: Edwards has ever taken because it wasn't just a jump shot.

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Speaker 1: He found himself being guarded out high by Wemby. He

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Speaker 1: decides he there's like a I don't even know who

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Speaker 1: is setting the screen or was intending to. Anthony eventually

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Speaker 1: went right and noticed I got a little bit of

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Speaker 1: an opening to get to his side. You know what

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do. I'm gonna hit a short bank shot.

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Speaker 1: So it was rather than passive, which is I'm going

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Speaker 1: to retreat for a jumper, which he can hit some

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Speaker 1: of those.

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Speaker 3: I get it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just love the aggressiveness of it. I'm not

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Speaker 1: gonna settle for that kind of shot. I'm gonna be

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Speaker 1: use my smarts here. I'm gonna get around Wemby and

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna find enough of an opening because of my

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Speaker 1: elevation ability, and I'm gonna get a pretty wide open

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Speaker 1: effective What did you say?

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Speaker 4: It was twelve foot? Ye, maybe even less than that.

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Speaker 4: It was a great shot and Rudy I think it

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Speaker 4: was after the game. Rudy, by the way, suspended for

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Speaker 4: tomorrow against Milwaukee because his most recent flagrant, and Ant

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Speaker 4: is not going to play tomorrow because of his right

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Speaker 4: foot inflammation. They're dealing with it he's gonna get four

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Speaker 4: days before they play again. I think Rudy said the

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Speaker 4: same thing he said. In years past, Ant might have

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Speaker 4: settled for the step back or taken a pull up

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Speaker 4: jumper and not that he can't hit it, but it's

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Speaker 4: not as high percentage.

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Speaker 2: And we saw it today. So we saw that. And

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Speaker 2: you know what else we saw.

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Speaker 1: We saw a Peterson had the exact same reaction to

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Speaker 1: it that I did. We saw a baseline semi post

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Speaker 1: situation where he turned and shot, and I said, we've

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Speaker 1: been talking about that shot for him adding that shot

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Speaker 1: and it was another part of the comeback.

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Speaker 2: As I recall, it was a terrific shot.

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Speaker 1: It felt like a higher percentage shot than maybe it

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Speaker 1: even was, just because it came from a different place.

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Speaker 1: That's what the best players do. They to a certain extent,

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Speaker 1: they keep reinventing themselves where they can't be pigeonholed defensively

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Speaker 1: in terms of, well, that's where he wants to go

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Speaker 1: if we follow him here, that's where he always wants

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Speaker 1: to end up. If you, as a scorer, negate their

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Speaker 1: ability to scout you that way and to say no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to my chest move is I'm going to

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Speaker 1: counter it by going someplace else to score, and I

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Speaker 1: will do so effective.

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Speaker 2: Then you're you're you have a better chance to get

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Speaker 2: to the next level.

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Speaker 4: And are you aware of how history repeated itself after

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Speaker 4: the game in the locker room?

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Speaker 7: No, I don't care what happened in the first three quarters,

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Speaker 7: you know, fourth quarters, three minutes, four minutes left.

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Speaker 1: Let me see fourth quarter, bring it to the tip

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Speaker 1: his version of come fourth quarter to bring it to

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Speaker 1: the tap?

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Speaker 2: Let me see it. Does he know that he that

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Speaker 2: has he been made?

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Speaker 1: I will ask Johnny in a little bit wh you

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Speaker 1: made aware of the Garnet quote being rather famous.

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Speaker 2: I mean tears were in my eyes when I heard

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Speaker 2: that last night. You love it.

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Speaker 4: It was the same build up too, the long ones

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Speaker 4: that I don't care if you get fifty first, three quarters,

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Speaker 4: last three four minutes, let me see it.

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Speaker 1: Positive item number two, nothing but rave about the great

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Speaker 1: theater that wild Card weekend has been to this point.

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Speaker 1: And very quickly before we get ready to talk with Johnny,

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Speaker 1: let me give you positive item number three. I am

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Speaker 1: starting to lose myself in Tom Brady's analytic eyes.

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Speaker 2: Hees listen how to throw in the wind with Tom Brady,

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Speaker 2: what do I do with this?

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Speaker 5: Okay? With this?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, So when you see it, and I talk about

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Speaker 7: the point of the ball a lot, you see it

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Speaker 7: from well, I started in this angle. This is kind

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Speaker 7: of like a neutral plane. This is the points slightly down.

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Speaker 7: When you're throwing into the wind. It has to be neutral.

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Speaker 7: If the point of the ball is up, any wind

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Speaker 7: friction is going to push that bottle up over the top.

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Speaker 7: So as a quarterback, you don't really like that you

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Speaker 7: throw underneath because naturally that's going to point the tip

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Speaker 7: of the ball up.

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Speaker 2: You'd like more of a sea or an inverse a

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Speaker 2: reverse seat.

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Speaker 7: That's how you kind of control the point of the

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Speaker 7: ball and then you can kind of just snap it

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Speaker 7: off as you throw it. But in these windy conditions,

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Speaker 7: you can't be underneath the ball. There's too much wind

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Speaker 7: and wind surface of the ball to knock it off

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Speaker 7: its path.

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Speaker 2: I loved it.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was a fascinating inside This is exactly

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Speaker 1: what you say. Yep, you got Tom Brady, and Tom says, well,

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Speaker 1: what can I do to do my job?

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Speaker 2: Well, just.

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Speaker 1: In part the insight that you have gained naturally and

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Speaker 1: organically over the course of your Hall of Fame career

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Speaker 1: that you might take for granted might be fascinating to

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Speaker 1: other people. And I think he keeps just getting better

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Speaker 1: and better. And he was as predicted on this show

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Speaker 1: by the way, we said, cal him down. Tom Brady's

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Speaker 1: going to be great.

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Speaker 2: He's figured the thing out.

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Speaker 5: What was it?

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Speaker 2: Wasn't the we used to play it?

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Speaker 1: I think as a promo didn't There was the famous

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Speaker 1: deflated balls?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Brady? Do we still have that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Going into the next break? Yeah, maybe even play that

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Speaker 2: going into the next in the next break. I just

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Speaker 2: think I.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that stating the obvious in terms of where you

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Speaker 1: grip the ball, but I thought it was fascinating.

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Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you this.

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Speaker 4: Have you heard anybody else tell you that in the

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Speaker 4: sixty years that you've watched football, including some other former

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Speaker 4: quarterbacks and former players, he's I love everybody saying he's

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Speaker 4: great now, which.

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Speaker 3: I did.

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Speaker 4: Did we think Tom Brady was going to be bad

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Speaker 4: at something that he actually worked at and put his

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Speaker 4: name to. Realistically, people need to use their heads a

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Speaker 4: little bit. He was going to improve, right, And no

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Speaker 4: one ever tells you how. Leeber just kind of mentioned

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Speaker 4: it like yeah, you don't go. You have to find

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Speaker 4: your own mentors to do yes. And I don't know

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Speaker 4: who's talking to Tom or if he's just figuring it out,

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Speaker 4: but he was going to figure it out.

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Speaker 2: And some of it is literally just repetition totally.

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Speaker 1: It's just I gotta key, I gotta get used to

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Speaker 1: my to the sound of my own voice in a

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Speaker 1: way that I never had to use it before other

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Speaker 1: than in a football you know, locker room context or

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Speaker 1: on the field in the huddle as well. Let's get

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Speaker 1: Johnny Athletics reaction to the Wolves fiber victory against the

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Speaker 1: San Antonio Spurs, Davy, Are there any new trade rumors

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Speaker 1: or is that all settling down now as the team

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Speaker 1: seems overall to be heading in a pretty interesting direction.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk some wild card round weekend playoffs with him

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Speaker 1: as well, and who knows what else Johnny Athletic in

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Speaker 1: just a minute here in the.

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Speaker 2: Time, I didn't be talking about that right now.

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Speaker 1: open at six four six eight six. Johnny a good

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Speaker 1: opening text coming In responding to the conversation guards he

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Speaker 1: and I just had about the Anthony Edwards short bank shot,

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Speaker 1: which I loved because it was not you know, it's

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Speaker 1: not a step back.

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Speaker 2: It was not I'm just gonna jack it up. I'm

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Speaker 2: going to the basket.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to find a crease in the defense, even

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Speaker 1: with Wemby on me out high, I'm going to get

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Speaker 1: around it, and then I'm going to get to a

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Speaker 1: good place to score from. That's I would think a

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Speaker 1: high percentage shot.

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Speaker 2: I loved it.

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Speaker 1: But somebody made an interesting point the ant blowby winner

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Speaker 1: on Wemby. If that were Rudy on defense, he'd be

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Speaker 1: demolished online and e ESPN. But it's Wemby, so crickets

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Speaker 1: as opposed to as this guy writes nine to five

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Speaker 1: two guy writes, it's just a great play by Anthony Edwards.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's amazing how that works. There is a clear

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Speaker 5: double standard, and there is a cottage industry built on

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Speaker 5: Rudy slander. There's just no doubt about it. I don't

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Speaker 5: exactly know why people delight in getting him more than others,

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Speaker 5: other than he's just not a grateful offensive player, and

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Speaker 5: so they like to make fun of him and like

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Speaker 5: to diminish his defensive prowess because of it. But you

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Speaker 5: are correct, Dan that had had it been Rudy, it

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Speaker 5: would have been I cannot believe that one of the

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Speaker 5: top five players in the entire league just cooked him

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Speaker 5: defensively in an isolation situation. And the permit is similar

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Speaker 5: to the Luca Rudy three in the playoffs. Like you know,

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Speaker 5: it makes no sense to me why it is that way,

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Speaker 5: and it wasn't in this case. The language wasn't and

879
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 5: the tone wasn't Whenby got cooked. It was this man

880
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,399
Speaker 5: ant is unbelievable, yes, and it's just the other way

881
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 5: with Ruty. It's maddening that way, for sure.

882
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 2: No, there's no question about about that.

883
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 1: I you know, I mentioned earlier this is maybe a

884
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: hard year to get a handle, not only on the Wolves,

885
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 1: but on many teams with good records. In that I

886
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: feel like we're seeing dramatic extremes in performance from good

887
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 1: to bad. And I don't know how much of that

888
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:38,959
Speaker 1: has to do with the fact that, you know, people

889
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 1: are routinely scoring one hundred and fifty points. It's not

890
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: even news anymore. It feels like or what it is

891
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: right now, because we think this is a personality of

892
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: the Wolves. But I'm seeing a lot of teams where

893
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: you go, how did they just lose by twenty two?

894
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: They're suposed to be one of the best teams in

895
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: the league. So am I just is that recency biased?

896
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: Is there something different that can explain what is going

897
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: on here, not just with the Wolves or perhaps even

898
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: league wide in that regard with rare exception.

899
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,879
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a couple things there, Dan. I think one

900
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 5: is first and foremost with the prevalence of the three

901
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 5: pointer and the way the variance can go on that

902
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 5: It is a little bit like March Madness and the

903
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 5: tournament where you get an underdog and they come out

904
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 5: and they hit a bunch of threes. That can be

905
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:29,280
Speaker 5: a real equalizer on any given night in these games.

906
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 5: The second part is that the economics, the new economic

907
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 5: landscape of the NBA has the goal has been to

908
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 5: inject parody into the league and to reduce the firepower

909
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 5: of the very top of the league, and in general

910
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 5: that is working right now. If you look at the

911
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 5: standings in both conferences, I mean there's log jams from

912
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 5: like two to nine or ten, and that is just

913
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 5: like there are not many, if any great great teams anymore.

914
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 5: Oklahoma City certainly stands above. Detroit is having a good year,

915
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 5: but I still think they're a little vulnerable. But even

916
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 5: the Thunder, they lost that home to Charlotte by twenty

917
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 5: five point.

918
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 3: Yeah last week, I mean, that's what I mean.

919
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 5: And so I do think that Wolves fans sometimes get

920
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 5: overly obsessed about the fluctuations because that's the one team

921
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 5: they are paying attention to. Oh these guys, you know,

922
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 5: really the Brooklyn game, in the Atlanta game, it was awful.

923
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 5: This team is awful when really, if you were to

924
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 5: pay broad attention to the league, every team is kind

925
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 5: of going through these things because of that parody.

926
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: Right now, Can Julius Randall play all the time like

927
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 1: he played in the fourth quarter, because I think most

928
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: of us would be convinced that if he could, you

929
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: might not have to make any moves on this team.

930
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:53,879
Speaker 2: He was very good.

931
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 1: But is that realistic? Is that something that we can

932
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,240
Speaker 1: count on? What's going on with Julius Randall?

933
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,919
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I would say, you'd love to say that, yes,

934
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 5: you can. He can do this, And because he did

935
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 5: it against Lembenyama in the fourth quarter. That means you

936
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 5: can extrapolate it over an entire game, over weeks, over

937
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 5: months of a season, and say this should be the expectation.

938
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 5: What we have seen so far from Julius in a

939
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 5: year and a half is that probably isn't. His capabilities

940
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 5: of doing it night in and night out one of

941
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 5: the things that separates really great players, and in this case,

942
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 5: really great defenders like a Rudy Gobert, like you know,

943
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 5: to throw anyone else out there, you want to Draymond Green, whoever?

944
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 5: Is that they do it almost every night, and they

945
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 5: do it the whole way through. And so I think

946
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 5: there's two things that make that harder for Julius. One

947
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 5: is is he just is not naturally that defensive minded player.

948
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 5: He has that capabilition, but he really has to summon it.

949
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,800
Speaker 5: He's got to play. Sometimes plays his best against Wemby,

950
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 5: against Jokic, against the really you know, star players, because

951
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 5: he doesn't want to get embarrassed, and then he takes

952
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 5: other nights a little bit off. The second part is

953
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 5: is that a lot of those defensive players who are

954
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 5: such you know, full frums of their team's defense are

955
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 5: not required to carry the load offensively from a scoring

956
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 5: and playmaking standpoint that Julius Randall is he expends a

957
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 5: lot of energy on that end of the floor, and

958
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 5: so it might be asking a little too much of

959
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:33,800
Speaker 5: him individually to give that kind of effort all of

960
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,879
Speaker 5: the time. You know, Giannis can do it, a few

961
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,359
Speaker 5: others can do it, but it's really a rare thing

962
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 5: to be a two way player to that degree that

963
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 5: he was, you know, last night in the fourth quarter.

964
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 5: Credit to him for doing it. He's showing he's capable

965
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 5: of doing it. I do just wonder if he is

966
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 5: capable of sustained efforts like that over the course of

967
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 5: games and weeks and months like like the WORL would

968
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 5: love to have there.

969
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: Rudy has hit the flagrant foul limit. So my understanding

970
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: is he's out for is it tomorrow night's game? And

971
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: you help me understand going forward? I thought I had

972
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: read or was told that if he gets another flagrant,

973
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: he'll be suspended one more game, and then from that

974
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 1: point forward, he's suspended two games for every flagrant, whether

975
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: it's a flagrant one or two.

976
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 2: Can you clarify that for me?

977
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 5: That's correct? Dan, So right now he has five flagrant

978
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 5: foul points and when you get to five, so you

979
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 5: get one point for a flagrant one, two points for

980
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 5: a flagrant two. And he has five points, and so

981
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 5: when you get to five, it's a one game suspension.

982
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 5: If he has one more flagrant foul point and he's

983
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 5: at six, that's another one game suspension. If you get

984
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 5: to seven points, every point from seven there on is

985
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 5: a two game suspension. So he is really facing a

986
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 5: he's up against between a rocket a hard play. Yeah,

987
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 5: because there's are a lot of games last and the

988
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 5: way that they issue flagrant foul points on these closeouts

989
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 5: and things like that, it's easier to pick them up.

990
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 5: So it's I'm going to be very interested to see

991
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 5: how he plays going forward and if he doesn't just

992
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 5: at all, because you can lose him for a game,

993
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 5: you can lose him for maybe one more game after that.

994
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 5: But if you start losing them for two game chunks, boy,

995
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 5: that's a real big problem for the Wolves and for

996
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 5: Rudy Gobert. And so yeah, it's a it's a precarious

997
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 5: position that he.

998
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 2: Is in right now.

999
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,280
Speaker 1: Jan Jan twelve. How many games who even hit the halfway?

1000
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 1: How many games are we play?

1001
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 5: We're not at the halfway point. We still got a

1002
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 5: ways to go, So there's there's a long season. The

1003
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 5: good news for the Wolves is that those points reset

1004
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 5: in the playoffs. You know, he's not going to go

1005
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 5: into game one of the first series and if he

1006
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 5: gets one more point, he's got to he's gonna miss

1007
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:07,399
Speaker 5: two games. But to get there, it's gonna take it's

1008
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 5: gonna take some doing well.

1009
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 2: Where is Anthony Anthony Edwards is way.

1010
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:12,879
Speaker 1: I had a last year in a much better shape

1011
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: right regarding technical foul points compared to you.

1012
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, don't jink sit Dan, don't think so. But he

1013
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 5: has been generally very good with technical fouls this year.

1014
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 5: He's got a few of them, no doubt. But I

1015
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 5: don't know exactly where he's at at the top of

1016
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 5: my head, but he is a long ways away from

1017
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:34,280
Speaker 5: suspension or anything like that. He has done a pretty

1018
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 5: good job of kind of ramping that back a little

1019
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 5: bit and and so he's got some breathing room there.

1020
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: So you, I'm sure, got a chance to see some

1021
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: of the wildcard weekend, perhaps not all because you're on

1022
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: on Will Woolve's duty. We're all trying to apply lessons.

1023
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: We learned from Wildcard weekend uh to the Minnesota Vikings.

1024
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:57,320
Speaker 3: So what do we what? What does he?

1025
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: What should the average Vikings fan get out of what

1026
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 1: we've seen thus far on a very entertaining Wildcard weekend

1027
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 1: going into Monday night's game.

1028
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's almost every game, right except for

1029
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 5: the New England Chargers. One was a you know, was

1030
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 5: a dud, but everyone else was great. I Mean it

1031
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 5: sounds cliche, but you get great quarterback play and holy

1032
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 5: cow does that make a difference. And the thing that

1033
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 5: I would be worried about if I were the Vikings

1034
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 5: is your Caleb Williams, Dan you your bear? Yeah, that

1035
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 5: looks legitimate now, Like you were kind of wondering, Okay,

1036
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:39,919
Speaker 5: how does the marriage with Ben Jumps work? What's going

1037
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 5: to happen there going forward? Is that a long term

1038
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 5: kind of couple that can can be in this the

1039
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 5: NFC North for a long time, And they sure look

1040
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 5: like it now. And I think that I would be

1041
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 5: very concerned if I were the Vikings that Caleb Williams

1042
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 5: is ascending to another level because because if he descends

1043
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 5: and then you have him and you have the Detroit Lions,

1044
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 5: which is a really stacked roster, and then you have

1045
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 5: Green Bay that always figures things out. All of a sudden,

1046
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,760
Speaker 5: you are on the bottom of this comp of this division,

1047
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 5: looking up and trying to find a way to even

1048
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 5: the playing field, and with Williams playing the way that

1049
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 5: he is. Holy Kyle, that's a that all of a

1050
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 5: sudden looks like a much bigger mountain to climb than

1051
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 5: maybe I initially thought.

1052
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: Johnny, there is only one NFC North head coach who

1053
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: has yet to win a playoff game, and he he

1054
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 1: plays or he resides, And why don't If he resides,

1055
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 1: I guess he does.

1056
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 2: He certainly coaches at Tcow Performance Center. It's our guy.

1057
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:41,479
Speaker 2: It's unmistakable. I mean, it's just it's just fact.

1058
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 5: Maybe the snowbird or something that he only kind of

1059
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 5: comes in and out of here, and.

1060
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:46,800
Speaker 2: Maybe he can. I don't know. I have no idea.

1061
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 1: I just know that at some point this is this

1062
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: is ultimately when everybody gets evaluated, whether it's fair or

1063
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 1: not fair. And now you got even the first year

1064
00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: coaches one ahead of him in playoffick.

1065
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,919
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean they are right now. They are justifiably

1066
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,839
Speaker 5: at the bottom of the division, looking up and that's

1067
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 5: not a fluke right now. Now, Kevin O'Connell has done

1068
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:13,760
Speaker 5: a good job here. He's had some great regular seasons.

1069
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 5: He I think has proven to be a coach that

1070
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 5: can take lesser parts and have them perform above what

1071
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 5: they are individually. But there's gonna have to be a

1072
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 5: breakthrough some sometime fairly soon here, and how that comes

1073
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 5: together is a little harder to envision. They may have

1074
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 5: to want something has to happen. Either JJ McCarthy has

1075
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 5: to quickly ascend and become a really good quarterback for

1076
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 5: this team to buttress what is a great defense, or

1077
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 5: they're gonna have to go find someone else who can

1078
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 5: do it and give Kevin O'Connell a real chance that way. Otherwise,

1079
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 5: you know, if he goes through another full season and

1080
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 5: and has a decent year and doesn't win a playoff game,

1081
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 5: there's not many coaches that keep getting bites at the

1082
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 5: apple over and over again when you have that kind

1083
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 5: of a thing come up. And so I do think

1084
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 5: Kemn O'Connell's a good coach. I think that he's done

1085
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 5: a good job here, but the pressure is now firmly

1086
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 5: on him because the Bears have pulled themselves up from

1087
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 5: the dregs of the of the division. The Lions did

1088
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 5: it a few years ago and pulled themselves up from

1089
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 5: the dregs of the division. Now the Vikings are the

1090
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:30,800
Speaker 5: dregs of the division. Even if they're not in the

1091
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 5: dire situation that the Lions or Bears were in, they're

1092
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 5: still on the bottom looking up and it's a it's

1093
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,320
Speaker 5: going to be a road to get to get anywhere

1094
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 5: into contention there.

1095
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,280
Speaker 1: Well, and I think what you saw, you know, often

1096
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 1: wild Card weekend is a lot less interesting than it

1097
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 1: was this year in that, you know, there seem to

1098
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 1: be more mismatches.

1099
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 2: That's what may has made this so entertaining.

1100
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 1: You could argue that there was one mismatch and even

1101
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 1: that was a one score game till the fourth quarter,

1102
00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 1: as uninspired as the offenses were New England and the Chargers.

1103
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 1: But what struck me once again is if you go

1104
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 1: down the list of performances really from both winning teams

1105
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 1: and losing teams, given the number of late touchdowns scored,

1106
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: and you know what's the term for it, the number

1107
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 1: of times that one team basically overtook the other and

1108
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 1: back and forth.

1109
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 2: I'm missing lead changes thank you for helping me out there.

1110
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:34,280
Speaker 1: You look at the quarterbacks, A lot of quarterbacks played

1111
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:39,240
Speaker 1: at various times really really well. And this isn't obviously

1112
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 1: going out on a limb, but it is another not

1113
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 1: so general reminder that may be painful here that the

1114
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 1: contrast between that kind of quarterback play giving at least

1115
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 1: a chance and if you lose, it might be just

1116
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 1: because the other team's quarterback played just a little bit

1117
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 1: better as opposed to what the Vikings dealt with in

1118
00:56:58,520 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five.

1119
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, And that's the kind of the problem that I've

1120
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 5: had dan in in evaluating JJ McCarthy and what his

1121
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 5: future is and all of those things, is that when

1122
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 5: you get into a fourth quarter shootout with JJ McCarthy,

1123
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 5: that's the only time he's looked really good sometimes and

1124
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:19,479
Speaker 5: that's the only time that he's looked up to the task.

1125
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 5: But it's the problem of getting there that is an issue.

1126
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 5: And I do think that when you look at Josh Allen,

1127
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:29,919
Speaker 5: Trevor Lawrence, when you look at Stafford and Bryce Young,

1128
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 5: who Bryce Young was really maligned and man did he

1129
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:35,919
Speaker 5: really kind of come on as this season went along

1130
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 5: for Carolina. So there's another kind of uh sod In

1131
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 5: the back of my mind, it's gosh, do you do

1132
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 5: you give him a little bit more time?

1133
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 3: Do you give McCarthy?

1134
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 5: You give you a be patient with McCarthy and see

1135
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 5: if it comes together, you know, Jordan Love and Caleb Williams,

1136
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 5: like all of these things. Can you see right now?

1137
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 5: Can I envision JJ McCarthy being in a playoff game

1138
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 5: against Matthew Stafford again, Caleb Williams against Rock Purdy and say, yeah,

1139
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 5: our guy is going to duel to the depths with

1140
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 5: these guys and go right down to the wire. So

1141
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 5: right now, No, we're a long way from next year's playoffs,

1142
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 5: so a lot can happen between now and then, but

1143
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 5: it is pretty glaring that they don't have They don't

1144
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 5: have that in house right now for sure. And given

1145
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 5: the way that the defense looks. You have justin Jefferson,

1146
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 5: you have, you have Addison, you have Neily, you have

1147
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 5: all these guys, you have these weapons. Something has to

1148
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 5: happen at quarterback very very quickly, or else everyone I think,

1149
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 5: including Quisya Dolpamensa, including Kevin O'Connell, is going to pay

1150
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 5: for it eventually.

1151
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 1: Here, how did you find yourself in the middle of

1152
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 1: a football postgame press conference, media controversy.

1153
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 3: How do you do this?

1154
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't I don't even get involved

1155
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 1: in that kind of stuff anymore.

1156
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 2: And you're smack dab in the middle of it today.

1157
00:58:59,200 --> 00:58:59,919
Speaker 2: What's this all about?

1158
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 5: You know, Dan, You're just wiser than I am at

1159
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 5: this point. I mean, I can't help myself sometimes, but

1160
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 5: I fancy myself as just like try to be you know,

1161
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 5: I look at this injury industry, the media industry with

1162
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 5: both eyes wide open and try and look at everything

1163
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 5: about it, both from internally and then the views of

1164
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 5: our industry externally. I think that's important.

1165
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 2: And as I saw.

1166
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 5: The grand standing that was happening yesterday and even this

1167
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 5: morning about this Jacksonville reporter for a black news publication

1168
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 5: who took twenty seconds out of the press conference to

1169
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 5: probably cross what is a norm in the industry of

1170
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 5: you know, congratulating the head coach on the year and

1171
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 5: telling him to keep his head up. It was a

1172
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 5: little cringe, of course, But to hear and watch my

1173
00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 5: fellow reporters just like dress this person down and be

1174
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 5: the holy earn thou and we're better than this and

1175
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 5: you can't do this. It's fine to have that conversation

1176
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 5: to me Dan in private, like uh, you know, uh,

1177
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:16,919
Speaker 5: to pull that reporter aside and say, hey, I didn't

1178
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 5: really think that this was appropriate at this time. But

1179
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 5: to do it in public when the vast majority of

1180
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 5: the audience doesn't understand the kind of rules of this

1181
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 5: stuff and doesn't care about it at all, it just

1182
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 5: struck me as completely tone deaf to do this and

1183
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 5: just to be like, this is how you should conduct

1184
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 5: yourself and this is a journalism crime that was perpetrated

1185
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 5: upon us in the Jacksonville Jaguars media. You know landscape,

1186
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 5: and I know the reporter that first touched it off,

1187
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 5: and you know, frankly don't think very highly of that person,

1188
01:00:54,760 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 5: but not the woman the ap guy that got it going.

1189
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 5: But like, it's just it's just like it just doesn't

1190
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 5: do any of us any good. It only stokes more

1191
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 5: fire and more igher toward us, and it just it

1192
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 5: looks lame, Dan, It just looks bad. So I just

1193
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 5: I didn't think it was the right time to do it.

1194
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 1: It's it's interesting because I I need to know a

1195
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 1: little bit more about did did the person who asked

1196
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 1: the question does she cover the team in a daily

1197
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 1: basis or is she in a different role because in

1198
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 1: every town take here, right, Yeah, SID wouldn't ordinarily go

1199
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 1: that far, but SID was capable of going pretty far

1200
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 1: down a similar road, right, And I would obviously shake

1201
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 1: my head and say, I don't want to get anywhere

1202
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 1: near that.

1203
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 2: I don't think it's pecularly helpful. But I guess that's

1204
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 2: where it would start to me.

1205
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 1: I need to know if she was she actually covering

1206
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 1: the team in a in a in a so called

1207
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 1: you know, critical way. I critical, not I don't mean negative,

1208
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 1: but just in terms of, you know, every day in there,

1209
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 1: covering the beat, analy reporting, whatever the case may be.

1210
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 1: But the second part of it, you hit on that

1211
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 1: because I read a lot of the comments that when

1212
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 1: people got into on it with you, and I think

1213
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 1: they kind of missed your point a little bit because

1214
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 1: what did a lot of them say? What's wrong with

1215
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 1: showing some compassion? You know, you guys are wrong? And

1216
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 1: I don't even know that I that you would necessarily

1217
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 1: agree with that sentiment. I think your larger point, which

1218
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 1: is a good one, is we're not gonna win this

1219
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 1: even if we're reporters who have been trained to do

1220
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 1: this a different way. We ain't gonna win this because

1221
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 1: people aren't gonna listen to it, and they are going

1222
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 1: to turn it into some kind of compassion thing when

1223
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:41,520
Speaker 1: that might not have anything to do with the story.

1224
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 1: So I think you raised a really good point there

1225
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 1: that there's I think it's performative again. I think it's

1226
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:51,120
Speaker 1: a little bit of I got to remind you that

1227
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 1: you know journalism one oh one, that's what I grew

1228
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 1: up in. I want to make sure you know that

1229
01:02:56,280 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 1: I'm in that camp. And you know, you could say

1230
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 1: that's great, we're happy for you, but nobody really cares.

1231
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 5: Probably nobody nobody cares about that. No one is going

1232
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 5: to say, oh, I didn't really think about that. And

1233
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 5: you're right, like you are in the right about this

1234
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 5: and this this woman that you're browbeating, was wrong and

1235
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 5: she should, you know, not do that or have her

1236
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 5: credential revoke or something that's not going to happen. We

1237
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 5: have to understand, Dan, that the landscape of the media

1238
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 5: has changed remarkably over the last ten years, and there

1239
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 5: are more fan centric coverage of teams, and sometimes that's

1240
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:38,440
Speaker 5: what people really want. I may not agree with some

1241
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 5: of it, or I may think that, hey, I think

1242
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 5: that objectivity is actually more reliable so that when people

1243
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:48,240
Speaker 5: come to me, they say, I can trust this person

1244
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:50,640
Speaker 5: because he's not, you know, in the bag for one,

1245
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 5: you know, team or player, whatever or the other. But

1246
01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 5: it's also this thing has evolved so much, and and

1247
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:03,439
Speaker 5: it was an nineteen second little thing in the middle

1248
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 5: of a six and a half minute press conference. And

1249
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 5: I don't think she got in the way of anything.

1250
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 5: I just don't believe that. And so it's I don't

1251
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 5: have any problem with people disagreeing with her in that situation,

1252
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 5: or do I You could roll your eyes at it

1253
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 5: if you want, But if you're going to look, you

1254
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:25,520
Speaker 5: just look bad taking this public stamp, You're not You're not.

1255
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 2: Pretty all that much. Just go ahead and keep doing

1256
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:28,240
Speaker 2: your job what you want to do.

1257
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 4: Well, to Johnny's point, when we were both in San

1258
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 4: Francisco a year ago for Game four Wolves Warriors, and

1259
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:36,520
Speaker 4: I was about to ask Julius Randall a very serious question,

1260
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 4: and Johnny hijacked it and asked his son Kaiden, what

1261
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:40,520
Speaker 4: he thought of his dad.

1262
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 2: I didn't go public.

1263
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:45,440
Speaker 4: I after the press hammered him, rolled my eyes and

1264
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:48,680
Speaker 4: made fun of Johnny right to his face immediately after, Right,

1265
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:50,280
Speaker 4: can you confirm that Johnny.

1266
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 5: One hundred birthday call for his financials.

1267
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:53,920
Speaker 2: To be revoked?

1268
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 5: No?

1269
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:55,920
Speaker 4: But I pulled him aside and said, of course you

1270
01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:58,440
Speaker 4: did that. Yeah, of course, of course we had to

1271
01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 4: hear what had to say. Are the one to get it.

1272
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:02,840
Speaker 4: So that's that's how you handle it. If you're a

1273
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 4: professional like I did.

1274
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 5: Yep, you were. You were completely professional in that moment

1275
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 5: guards And that's exactly right. And I will say, like

1276
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 5: there's been I think one of the people who criticize

1277
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:19,720
Speaker 5: the thing is that Pittsburgh Steelers reporter who asked Aaron

1278
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 5: Rodgers about his writing wedding ring one time, Like we

1279
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:29,200
Speaker 5: all have these things and not every press conferences. Jack

1280
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:31,320
Speaker 5: Nicholson and Tom CRU's going at it and you.

1281
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 2: It's a marathon, not a sprint, is what you're saying.

1282
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 3: Exactly.

1283
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:35,480
Speaker 2: That's exactly.

1284
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:39,600
Speaker 5: So it's just like the hand ringing. The hand ringing

1285
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:43,640
Speaker 5: looks holier than lao. People generally look down at the

1286
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:45,760
Speaker 5: media and believe that especially the sports media, that we

1287
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 5: take ourselves too seriously as it is, and that only

1288
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:51,480
Speaker 5: just emphasizes that narrative, which is not good for any

1289
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 5: of us.

1290
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:54,120
Speaker 2: Seven oh one, guy, I'm curious how you're going to

1291
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 2: take this.

1292
01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 1: Apparently your guest has never heard a KOC press conference.

1293
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 2: Wow, that seems to.

1294
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:04,400
Speaker 1: Be an indictment basically saying, well, how is this all

1295
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:08,120
Speaker 1: that different then? How a lot of the Beat reporters

1296
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:10,960
Speaker 1: treat KOC on a regular basis.

1297
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:12,840
Speaker 2: That's that's savage.

1298
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:17,320
Speaker 5: I would love to poke fun at my Viking Beat

1299
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 5: writer brethren, Alec and Kevin and Ben and all those guys.

1300
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 5: I will say, I have not heard.

1301
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 8: Uh.

1302
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:26,360
Speaker 5: I know that after this season I was in the

1303
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 5: KOC and the end of season press conference. There no

1304
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:32,160
Speaker 5: no one thanked him and said keep his head off

1305
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:35,960
Speaker 5: in that moment. It was quite that egregious with it

1306
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:38,480
Speaker 5: or that, I will say.

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Speaker 2: By the way, yeah.

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Speaker 5: You like that fun every once in a while, and

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Speaker 5: that's okay.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a beautiful thing.

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Speaker 1: Uh. We appreciate you as always. We'll be in touch

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Speaker 1: soon soon. Thanks Johnny. All right, thanks Dan John Krasinski.

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Speaker 1: Brought to you by RBC Wealth Management.

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Speaker 5: Guards.

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Speaker 1: He reminds me it's going to be a Tom Cream week.

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Speaker 1: He's gon to join US on Thursday at five o'clock.

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Speaker 1: At five o'clock, I should say to talk plenty of

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01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 1: National Basketball Association and Minnesota Timberwolves as well. I forgot

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01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:35,200
Speaker 1: to get to this story with Johnny and he wrote

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01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 1: it actually, and it's kind of Wolves related. It's kind

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Speaker 1: of a section related as well. Dayline Minneapolis Target Center

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01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:47,840
Speaker 1: security apologized to a fan sitting courtside at the Wolves

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01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:51,200
Speaker 1: game against the Spurs Sunday night, after they said they

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01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:55,080
Speaker 1: mistakenly asked him to remove a black T shirt with

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Speaker 1: white block lettering that read ice out. Tim Phillips, a

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01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:03,360
Speaker 1: Minneapolis civil rights and criminal defense attorney, told The Athletic

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01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 1: that he wore the shirt in response to the increased

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01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:09,000
Speaker 1: presence of US immigration and Customs enforcement agents in the

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Speaker 1: Twin Cities in recent weeks. On Wednesday, a federal agent

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01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:15,360
Speaker 1: shot and killed thirty seven year old Renee Nicole Good

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01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:18,280
Speaker 1: during a confrontation in the powder Horn Park neighborhood of Minneapolis,

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Speaker 1: about three miles from Target Center. Johnny writes the Wolves

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01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:24,439
Speaker 1: or tenants at Target Center do not have any authority

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Speaker 1: over arena workers, including security personnel. Phillips said that he

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01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:30,240
Speaker 1: was told by security workers that he could not wear

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Speaker 1: the shirt because of a policy prohibiting apparel with explicit wording,

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01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:36,160
Speaker 1: end or graphics inside the arena. I had offered to

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01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:38,960
Speaker 1: put my hoodie back on over it, but they said

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01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:40,640
Speaker 1: they had to take it. We declined to do that.

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01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 1: Then we had a conversation and they realized that it

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01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:45,000
Speaker 1: was their mistake. They didn't need to take it since

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01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 1: I had offered to remove the shirt. The Athletic relieved

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01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 1: a statement or received a statement from the arena saying

1344
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:56,519
Speaker 1: that an employee misinterpreted the policy. At this evening's game,

1345
01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:59,280
Speaker 1: a security guard misinterpreted arena policy during an interaction with

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01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 1: the guests, resulting in that guest being asked to remove

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01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 1: a piece of parel apparel unnecessarily.

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01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:06,720
Speaker 2: We have reiterated all policies.

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01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:08,559
Speaker 1: To our staff and apologized to the guest for any

1350
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:17,479
Speaker 1: inconvenience cause. Here's the quote that got my attention. This

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01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:20,320
Speaker 1: is from Phillips, who was wearing the shirt.

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Speaker 7: Quote.

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Speaker 1: I was disappointed that they felt that that was a

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01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:26,439
Speaker 1: political message. I think that people in Minnesota are in

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01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:29,320
Speaker 1: agreement that ICE is terrorizing communities. I don't think that

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01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 1: is a political or partisan issue. He's one hundred percent wrong. Yeah,

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01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:41,160
Speaker 1: and you know, check our text line everything right if

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01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:44,160
Speaker 1: you think everybody's in agreement. Now I've stated my own

1359
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:47,519
Speaker 1: position on the ice, round up approach, round up the

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01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:50,320
Speaker 1: usual suspects. I think it's grotesque. I can't stand it.

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01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:53,640
Speaker 1: But here, you know, I'll do this. This is the

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01:09:53,680 --> 01:10:00,800
Speaker 1: test I always use. If you said, well, this was

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01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:04,080
Speaker 1: this is a position everybody agrees on a Again, that's false,

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01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:07,519
Speaker 1: but if you want to accept that premise, you also

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01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:11,080
Speaker 1: have to accept. I'll ask him, would he suggest that

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01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:14,920
Speaker 1: if somebody walked in with a pro ice message or

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01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:18,080
Speaker 1: a message of no, they're doing exactly what Trump was

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01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:20,680
Speaker 1: elected to do in pithy or fashion that I'm laying out,

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01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:25,400
Speaker 1: would that same attorney be okay with it? Because to me,

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Speaker 1: the key is consistency on this, It's always easy to

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01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:34,320
Speaker 1: defend the message if you agree with it. The test

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01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:37,040
Speaker 1: is whether you'll defend the message or the right to

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01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:41,600
Speaker 1: someone to exhibit a message or reveal a message on

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01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 1: their shirt if you disagree with it.

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Speaker 2: That to me is what this comes down to.

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01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:51,320
Speaker 1: And I you know, now I don't even remember what

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01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:55,559
Speaker 1: the policy is because it sounds like the policy doesn't

1378
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:59,559
Speaker 1: even take into take politics into account. It has more

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01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:03,880
Speaker 1: to do if something would be considered literally obscene, right,

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01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:08,160
Speaker 1: and so maybe they've already made the policy. You know

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01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:11,360
Speaker 1: you want to wear make America a great ball cap.

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01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:12,400
Speaker 2: That's not up to us.

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01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:14,960
Speaker 1: You'll wear whatever you want to wear. In that regard,

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01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:17,280
Speaker 1: I would need a little bit of an update on that.

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01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:21,600
Speaker 1: But as much as I would defend phillips right to

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01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:25,160
Speaker 1: wear what he wanted to wear, I'd say, no, that

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01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:29,120
Speaker 1: is that in his mind. It's like, well, it's above politics,

1388
01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:34,799
Speaker 1: it's right or wrong. But we're in a pluralistic country. Frankly, sadly,

1389
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:37,640
Speaker 1: we're in a very polarized country at this point. So

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01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:41,680
Speaker 1: I may have a dramatic disagreement with those who say, yeah,

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01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:46,240
Speaker 1: doing exactly what he needs to do, But I have

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01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 1: to defend the right to someone having that opinion or

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01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:52,920
Speaker 1: even exhibiting that opinion on a shirt similar to this one.

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01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:54,680
Speaker 2: And he's right.

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01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:59,080
Speaker 1: The majority of individuals who live in Minneapolis would would

1396
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Speaker 1: agree with him and say that that they're in agreement

1397
01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:04,280
Speaker 1: with him that ICE is terrorizing communities.

1398
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:07,880
Speaker 2: But that's not the question. The test is always what

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01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:10,360
Speaker 2: you're willing to defend or allow.

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Speaker 1: Even if you find the message disagreeable and that's why

1401
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:16,879
Speaker 1: it's a dangerous roadogram and say, well, this isn't political.

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01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:21,400
Speaker 1: Everybody agrees with this, because that's that's pretty naive, naive,

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01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:23,800
Speaker 1: And and I think he's I'm sure he's smart enough

1404
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:27,439
Speaker 1: to realize that, but that that you know, that to

1405
01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:32,160
Speaker 1: me is what we can't leave out of this particular story.

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01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:35,280
Speaker 1: Because again, if you're on his side, you think this

1407
01:12:35,479 --> 01:12:38,040
Speaker 1: is a slam dunk, You think this is absolutely easy.

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01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:41,120
Speaker 1: But then you have to be willing to accept somebody

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01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:44,120
Speaker 1: who might be for whatever reason, maybe there maybe their

1410
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:47,600
Speaker 1: kid works with ice, whatever and decides to come with

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01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:49,200
Speaker 1: a very different message. To me, that has to be

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01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:52,080
Speaker 1: a part of the conversation. Did you mention the Wilder

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01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:54,080
Speaker 1: play tonight against New Jersey?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:58,040
Speaker 4: This so this is blood on blood game it is?

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01:12:58,160 --> 01:13:00,320
Speaker 4: It's the huge ball, the huge ball is it is

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01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 4: one of the hues is here?

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01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:06,280
Speaker 2: Okay? So in Quinnesota? Is that taking off as a concept?

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01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:08,960
Speaker 2: I saw billboard on ninety four. I think Wen is

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01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:11,640
Speaker 2: on leave for Italia. Do we know, I don't know.

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01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:13,280
Speaker 2: We got to get you, got to make sure you

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01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:15,400
Speaker 2: get We'll text them. We got to have them on.

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01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:19,280
Speaker 1: How long do the Winter Olympics go ten days, twelve

1424
01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:22,320
Speaker 1: days longer longer than that. Yeah, we need them on

1425
01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:25,320
Speaker 1: like five times then we can get them that many.

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01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:28,960
Speaker 1: I just take three. I'd put the over under two

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01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:30,920
Speaker 1: and a half. I'd take two and a half.

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01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:35,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe one like after pool play first of all,

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01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:38,000
Speaker 4: maybe one after we make sure we get the arena ready.

1430
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:42,800
Speaker 4: How the arena looks right, because that's an ongoing battle,

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01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:45,719
Speaker 4: it seems like. And where they're actually going to play.

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01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:48,120
Speaker 1: Well, there's no photos that came out, believe in the

1433
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:52,120
Speaker 1: locker rooms. Yeah, that literally look like their houses about

1434
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 1: twenty percent done. I mean it's like there's there's there's

1435
01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:57,560
Speaker 1: like there's not even insulation, there's nothing. It's just like

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01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:00,400
Speaker 1: there's the walls haven't been put up, the drop there's

1437
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:03,760
Speaker 1: not even drywall up yet. So I and apparently the

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01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:06,760
Speaker 1: locker rooms also are thimble sized. It's like firefest.

1439
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:08,360
Speaker 2: So but maybe this will.

1440
01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:10,360
Speaker 1: Make it more charming because this will be like a

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01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:14,000
Speaker 1: throwback winner Olympics, Right, I don't know, I'm just asking

1442
01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:16,639
Speaker 1: we'll come back wrap up a very controversial show.

1443
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:18,160
Speaker 2: Remind you what we have coming up next.

1444
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:22,240
Speaker 4: No Rap presented by American Pressure Commercial grade Pressure washers

1445
01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:23,920
Speaker 4: since nineteen seventy five.

1446
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:26,439
Speaker 2: It's the bumper to bumper show wrap.

1447
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:31,400
Speaker 1: How about one more wild card weekend National Football League

1448
01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:33,280
Speaker 1: Playoffs talking points?

1449
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:35,760
Speaker 2: We call this one. We didn't need them.

1450
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:39,080
Speaker 6: Forty three seconds left, San Francisco leads to twenty three

1451
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:42,640
Speaker 6: to nineteen. It's a fourth and eleven at the San

1452
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 6: Francisco twenty one.

1453
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:45,240
Speaker 2: They break the hugger.

1454
01:14:46,479 --> 01:14:49,760
Speaker 6: Hurts shuck up two receivers left, Parkley two is left,

1455
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:50,800
Speaker 6: two receivers right.

1456
01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:52,679
Speaker 2: Brown goes in motion to the outside.

1457
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:55,920
Speaker 6: It takes the step, Hurts steps up, Hurts fires over

1458
01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:56,960
Speaker 6: the middle into a crowd.

1459
01:14:57,080 --> 01:15:02,920
Speaker 2: It's broken up. Forty nine ers. I'm up big in complete.

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01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:06,920
Speaker 6: Kendricks gets a piece and the Eagles turned it over

1461
01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 6: on downs. San Francisco takes over and they're forty seconds

1462
01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:20,479
Speaker 6: away from a victory. The defending Super Bowl champions come

1463
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:22,200
Speaker 6: up empty on fourth down.

1464
01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:27,560
Speaker 8: There were no good options there, but Hertz tried to

1465
01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:32,800
Speaker 8: fit it into a very tight window against that zone coverage,

1466
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:37,519
Speaker 8: and Eric Kendricks, who they officially signed off the practice

1467
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:41,760
Speaker 8: squad earlier this week, makes an incredible play on the

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01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:43,519
Speaker 8: football and the forty nine.

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01:15:43,479 --> 01:15:47,240
Speaker 2: Ers are gonna win this football game. I didn't even know.

1470
01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:50,280
Speaker 2: I mean, Eric Kendricks, are you kidding?

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Speaker 8: Men?

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01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:52,559
Speaker 2: I know, I had no idea.

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01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:54,960
Speaker 1: They picked him up in November, I think, right, yeah,

1474
01:15:55,720 --> 01:15:58,360
Speaker 1: And I vaguely remember that he's gotta be I mean,

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01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:02,000
Speaker 1: he's gotta be saying this is not bad. I don't

1476
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:03,920
Speaker 1: have to go through training camp, yep. I don't have

1477
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:07,160
Speaker 1: to go through meaningless, boring early, you know, September games.

1478
01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:09,639
Speaker 1: I cant just glom on late. And now I'm part

1479
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:12,479
Speaker 1: of a team that you could say as good a

1480
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:14,479
Speaker 1: chance as anybody. Now they got to go to Seattle next,

1481
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:17,360
Speaker 1: which ain't gonna be easy, right right, But a hell

1482
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:20,320
Speaker 1: of a story, isn't he like fifty? No, he's actually

1483
01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:20,960
Speaker 1: not even that old.

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01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:21,400
Speaker 2: I don't think.

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01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:24,400
Speaker 4: What's funny is I was listening to the fan last night.

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01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:26,439
Speaker 4: I think this was actually on the Plus because the

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01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:28,920
Speaker 4: Wolves were on the fan. Yeah, but the game was

1488
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:31,080
Speaker 4: so good. I was bringing one of my sons home

1489
01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:33,640
Speaker 4: from one of his sports, and so I turned it

1490
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:35,920
Speaker 4: to the Plus and I'm driving, and I swear to you,

1491
01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:39,240
Speaker 4: like a lot of Minnesotans, if there was a camera

1492
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:41,960
Speaker 4: in my car filming me, I would have looked like

1493
01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:45,240
Speaker 4: the janitor and Rudy when Rudy's out there and he's

1494
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:47,400
Speaker 4: just clapping, the one you see on Twitter. Yes, I

1495
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:50,200
Speaker 4: was just verclemmed. I'm like Eric Kendricks. It's our guy,

1496
01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:51,919
Speaker 4: no idea. We love Kendricks.

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01:16:52,479 --> 01:16:55,960
Speaker 1: In fact, if you just google and Eric Kendricks's name,

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01:16:56,439 --> 01:16:58,360
Speaker 1: there's not a single photo of him in a forty

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01:16:58,439 --> 01:16:59,160
Speaker 1: nine ers un form.

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01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:00,519
Speaker 2: It's all by stuff.

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01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:04,120
Speaker 1: Yeah right, that's how recent all this feels. He's thirty three,

1502
01:17:04,760 --> 01:17:06,599
Speaker 1: that's not too bad, so you must have kept himself

1503
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:09,640
Speaker 1: in decent shape. But he finds himself now part of

1504
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:12,120
Speaker 1: a very gritty, come from behind victory for the Niners

1505
01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:13,800
Speaker 1: on the road. I was very impressed. I know the

1506
01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:16,479
Speaker 1: Eagles are flawed, yeah, but it's still because I said,

1507
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:18,360
Speaker 1: somebody Bosas asked me, who do you want the Bears?

1508
01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:21,160
Speaker 1: Who would you rather the Bears play the Eagles or Rams?

1509
01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:23,680
Speaker 1: I actually said Eagles. Yeah, I agree, even though they

1510
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:26,040
Speaker 1: just won the title, because they just their offense looks

1511
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:28,520
Speaker 1: goofy and very inconsistent.

1512
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:31,200
Speaker 2: And I worry that if Stafford's on.

1513
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:37,120
Speaker 1: Who's their number one receiver Pookinnica Pook and the CooA,

1514
01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:39,640
Speaker 1: he could end up with like eighteen catches for three

1515
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:41,880
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five yards. Now for sure, the weather

1516
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:46,560
Speaker 1: forecast is very cold, like wind chill below zero for

1517
01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:49,479
Speaker 1: the weekend. That could change pretty much everything. I don't know,

1518
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:51,760
Speaker 1: although I don't think you know, I think Stafford could

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Speaker 1: handle that. In any case, a great story that we

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01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:57,040
Speaker 1: might follow up on, especially if the forty nine ers

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Speaker 1: are able to win again. Tonight's episode has included a

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Speaker 1: very good visit with Kyle Potter of thrifty Traveler MN.

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01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:09,479
Speaker 1: He joined at four h two, Ben Lieber at four

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Speaker 1: forty seven, and Johnny Athletic at five thirty. In the

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01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:16,960
Speaker 1: three o'clock hour, we did cold called Gerby. We didn't

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01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:19,960
Speaker 1: get Gerby, we got his got a very weird voicemail.

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Speaker 1: We went on for like date his new voicemail outgoing message.

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Speaker 1: That's it is what we got. How long he's going

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Speaker 1: to keep that one there? I have absolutely no idea,

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Speaker 1: but that's that will be that's available to you, or

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Speaker 1: will be from our number one of the program. I

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Speaker 1: think about three thirty ish, Yeah, about three thirty five

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Speaker 1: right around there.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 1: Tonight is fan on de Man Night, and then it's

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Speaker 1: Minnesota Wild Hockey. As we mentioned hosting the Devil's Correct

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01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:48,960
Speaker 1: six forty five pregame opening face off just past seven.

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Speaker 1: We'll review all of that tomorrow with or right now

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01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:54,960
Speaker 1: our only scheduled guest, right Luigi is our only scheduled guest.

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01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:57,160
Speaker 1: We may be adding to that as well with some

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01:18:57,280 --> 01:19:00,760
Speaker 1: A section stuff and who knows what else. A lot

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01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:02,639
Speaker 1: of good stuff coming up later in the week, including

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01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:05,680
Speaker 1: a visit with Tom Crane, who now has become of

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01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:11,000
Speaker 1: course TV analyst pregame and halftime in postgame on many

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01:19:11,080 --> 01:19:13,000
Speaker 1: Wolves games. So we'll catch up with Crane for the

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01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:15,280
Speaker 1: first time in a while. Maybe we'll talk a little

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01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:18,840
Speaker 1: college basketball with him as well. He stays conversant in

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01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:24,720
Speaker 1: pretty much all of it. I think there was one

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01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:26,920
Speaker 1: talking point I didn't get to. Maybe we'll save that

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01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:30,000
Speaker 1: well actually too so we never played the Kaleb talking point.

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01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:33,040
Speaker 1: We'll get to that tomorrow from a wild card weekend,

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01:19:33,439 --> 01:19:36,040
Speaker 1: and then maybe a little buffalo of bills as well.

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01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:38,559
Speaker 1: Thanks for watching, Thank you for listening, and we will

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01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:39,799
Speaker 1: talk to you tomorrow three o'clock.

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Speaker 2: I'll be Manman Superman leg By.

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Speaker 5: I don't care what happened in the first three quarters.

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Speaker 7: In the fourth quarter, thirty minutes four minutes left. Let

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Speaker 7: me see