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Speaker 1: All right, we'll keep an eye on more winter Olympic

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Speaker 1: day or afternoon and evening goes on. We're pleased now

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Speaker 1: to be joined once again by Tom Crean, former college coach,

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Speaker 1: now analyzes everything college basketball, high school basketball, and of

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Speaker 1: course you're Minnesota Timberwolves via FanDuel a number of games.

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Speaker 1: He joins us via the Connectico Water Systems hotline. Are

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Speaker 1: you allowed during the so called NBA All Star Break

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Speaker 2: No. I had a busy weekend. It was great. I

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Speaker 2: It was my first radio game of the year. But

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Speaker 2: not but I don't need an NBA break like everybody

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Speaker 2: that's doing it and grinding in it day in and

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Speaker 2: day out, and my son came home. He definitely needed

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Speaker 3: It's good outstanding.

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Speaker 1: You know, you can speak to this issue because you

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Speaker 1: get it the way you do. So there are people

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Speaker 1: NBA scouts, big shots who believe that the top of

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Speaker 1: there's one or two guys who have a chance to

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Speaker 1: because that seems to be part of It's related to

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Speaker 3: Do you agree with that?

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes I do, And I think it's deeper than

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Speaker 2: people think, because I think there's so many guys. Now,

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to say that it's all star level

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Speaker 2: I mean, there are really really good freshmen. And everybody

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Speaker 3: What's the way out of this box?

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Speaker 2: Well, first off, it says a lot to be honest

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Speaker 2: I was having this discussion last weekend with with Dwayne

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Speaker 2: we didn't discuss the tanking part as much as they're

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Speaker 2: I'm paraphrasing, but you ought to establish what the order

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Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, I mean, it

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Speaker 2: and it's it's interesting to see that the pacers and

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I again, it's as competitive as you are.

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Speaker 1: Look I I you know, I get the bit. You

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Speaker 2: No question about it. But the salaries are so high

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Speaker 2: And like I said, listen to Dwayne talk about what

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Speaker 2: the belief there's nobody that's that's good enough to tank for.

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Speaker 2: There's nobody that you that you're going to lose games

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Speaker 3: I've said this at the start of the interview.

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Speaker 1: I think over the years, there is such a thing

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Speaker 1: contradiction of terms. But when you do something to me

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Speaker 1: as brazen as sitting, I could live with.

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Speaker 1: I got two really good players from Utah, and I'm

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Speaker 1: think that, to me is a little more acceptable than you.

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Speaker 1: Literally you start the fourth quarter ahead.

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Speaker 3: I think they ended up.

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Speaker 1: Winning that game, the one of those games, the Miami game,

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Speaker 1: but nevertheless, you're obviously trying to lose it. To me,

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Speaker 1: that's so brazen, Tom that it goes beyond anything that

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Speaker 1: discounting ticket prices, the message you're conveying. You know, Trent

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Speaker 1: He said, you know, we tell kids all the time,

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Speaker 2: with Bones Highlands should not be overlooked. I mean people

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00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,280
Speaker 2: were waiving him right, and they have got that guy.

434
00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:56,680
Speaker 2: What you have with Bones and what you have with Io.

435
00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,680
Speaker 2: Any given night, options you could put one of those

436
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:01,280
Speaker 2: guys and well, yeah, you could pull one of those

437
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,480
Speaker 2: guys in the starting line up. Now they're not Anthony Edwards, right,

438
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,479
Speaker 2: but you could put those guys in the starting lineup

439
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,159
Speaker 2: and you're really not going to miss a beat. And

440
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:14,600
Speaker 2: I think that stuff is really big. So I think

441
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,639
Speaker 2: you attack it just like Chris does. I think you

442
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 2: attack it head on. I think you attack it head first,

443
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,840
Speaker 2: which means you're the leader of it, and you hit it.

444
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,119
Speaker 2: You certainly utilize your assistance. You try to talk to him.

445
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,560
Speaker 2: I thought what he said the other night in postgame

446
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:31,520
Speaker 2: where he said that he and Julius had had some

447
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,800
Speaker 2: really good chats. I think that's one of chris Is strengths.

448
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,320
Speaker 2: And I think in the NBA you have to be

449
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,639
Speaker 2: able to do that because I think you've got to

450
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,399
Speaker 2: continue to see the big picture, which is probably some

451
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,160
Speaker 2: of the reasons why they didn't make a move this year.

452
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 2: You know, it's the trade deadline, like they could have potentially,

453
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 2: And at the end of the day, though, you've got

454
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:54,560
Speaker 2: to keep attacking it head on. And the number one

455
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 2: thing Anthony Edwards can get right in the hunt on

456
00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,840
Speaker 2: this MVP race. He can get right in the hunt

457
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 2: for a championship if he will come out night after

458
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 2: night and set the pace defensively with what he's capable

459
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 2: of and have longer stretches of really good defense. And

460
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,639
Speaker 2: when this team attacks the paint early and they go

461
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 2: through the paint and that ball is moving, it just

462
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 2: percolates throughout the entire game. And I think that's one

463
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 2: of the hardest things that the Timberwolves go through. There

464
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 2: are nights that ball doesn't move quick enough and it

465
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 2: becomes a I'm gonna get this shot and this guy's

466
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 2: going to get that shot. Now. You didn't see any

467
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,399
Speaker 2: of that in those two games last week. So I

468
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 2: think whatever they're doing film wise, whatever they continue to show,

469
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 2: they got to keep showing time and time again how

470
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 2: everybody is successful when they're playing that way, how everybody achieves.

471
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 2: I thought Julius Randall absolutely got ripped off not being

472
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 2: an All Star, and I think, you know, everybody looks

473
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:53,879
Speaker 2: at the money, but it's like we said about the

474
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,119
Speaker 2: trade deadline and All Star things and things like that.

475
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 2: Now that stuff's important to these guys, and rightfully so,

476
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 2: I mean it's important. Like Anthony Edwards did not feel

477
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 2: good in that last game, and that was legit, Like

478
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:08,959
Speaker 2: he didn't feel good during the day. I don't think

479
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 2: he shot before the game. He didn't feel good before

480
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 2: the game. You could see it in his face. But

481
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,400
Speaker 2: he went out there and played. The best thing could

482
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 2: have happened to Anthony Edwards is staying home, getting some rest, healing,

483
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 2: you know, his foot, the whole thing. But he goes

484
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 2: out there. What's he doing? Competes to win? He wins

485
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 2: the MVP. So like, you keep getting examples of how

486
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 2: good this team can be and you say, well, it's

487
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,919
Speaker 2: an All Star game. Well no, Anthony Edwards brought it okay,

488
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,640
Speaker 2: and everybody else on his team did too, because it says,

489
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 2: you know what, we're here, we're going to win it.

490
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,439
Speaker 2: And I just think this team has got those capabilities

491
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 2: and that they can climb into that. And you just

492
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,439
Speaker 2: keep showing them what it looks like when you do

493
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,640
Speaker 2: it right, but you're not afraid to attack it when

494
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 2: they're doing it wrong.

495
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Speaker 3: One more coaching question.

496
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Speaker 1: After one of those bad losses, Rudy in the postgame

497
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:58,880
Speaker 1: went very public with his frustration about defense, saying, look,

498
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Speaker 1: I get it, you may mistakes on the basis in

499
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: terms of your structure, the x's and o's. I can

500
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 1: live with that, but what we can't live with is effort. Now,

501
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 1: that night, he didn't play particularly great defensively either, But

502
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: the fact is, I think it was fairly clear he

503
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 1: was calling out teammates without naming them. Finchy didn't seem

504
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,199
Speaker 1: to love it the next day. So as a coach,

505
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 1: what was your view of a player?

506
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Speaker 3: I don't know.

507
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 1: Maybe it's different because you're coaching college and these are pros. Obviously,

508
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 1: these are adults you know well at the end of

509
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 1: their careers.

510
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 3: But what did you think of what Rudy did? And

511
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 3: in general?

512
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Speaker 1: You know, when you were a coach, you know, how

513
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 1: did you feel about players? I think trying to send

514
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 1: the convey the right message going public, not just doing

515
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: it in a closed locker room.

516
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 2: You can't do it that way unless you've done these

517
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 2: three things. Okay. Number one, that you're playing at an

518
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,919
Speaker 2: extremely high level. Okay, and this is me speaking as

519
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 2: a coach not speaking it the pre and post game

520
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 2: analyst for the tim Wolves, right, like, unless you're playing

521
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 2: at a really high level, which in some of those games,

522
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 2: especially offensively, he's not. Okay, So you can't do that,

523
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 2: you know, with can't You can't cast that kind of

524
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 2: judgment unless you're way above that at a consistent level.

525
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 2: The other thing is it has got to have come

526
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 2: up in film sessions. It has got to have come

527
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 2: up in a meeting. It cannot be something that you're

528
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 2: hearing for the very first time from somebody in the media.

529
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 2: And then the third thing, which is most important, if

530
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 2: the coaching staff is not addressing those things through a

531
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,120
Speaker 2: period of time, okay, And that doesn't mean they're gonna

532
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 2: dress it every night. I'm not saying that. If they're

533
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 2: not addressing it and you're so frustrated because no coach

534
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 2: is tough enough to do that, well then you've got

535
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 2: a chance to do that. I don't think that's the

536
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 2: case in Minnesota at all. And if that was me

537
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 2: in a situation like that in college, okay, we'd be

538
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,439
Speaker 2: looking at the film first and foremost. All right, long Bee,

539
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 2: if it ever got to this, we look at the

540
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 2: film of how that person had said it is playing

541
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 2: before we jumped into everybody else because that stuff and

542
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 2: I think they're stronger than that there, but that stuff

543
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 2: can rip apart. Now. I don't know if any of

544
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 2: that stuff had happened before, right, I know he wasn't

545
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 2: playing great. I mean he's still a great defensive player.

546
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 2: But it's a two end game, right. The bottom line

547
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 2: to me is if that stuff wasn't being addressed, Okay,

548
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 2: well now it's open game. But if it had been

549
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 2: being addressed and you're in a process of it, and

550
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 2: the coaches are not immune to it, then don't do that.

551
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 2: Then don't do that. And I have a lot of

552
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 2: respect for him as a player. I don't know him personally,

553
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:39,640
Speaker 2: but there's a lot of room for growth and Rudy

554
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 2: Gobert too, okay, especially on the offensive man. And that's

555
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 2: just me speaking as a coach of it, and not

556
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 2: a negative because I do I've been out there when

557
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 2: I see how he works. I mean, it's not like

558
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 2: they're not working. But this is a team, deal man,

559
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 2: and you've got some guys that you really need to

560
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 2: be successful. But I think this team, I'd be shocked

561
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 2: if they don't rest the issues in there. I think

562
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 2: I think the Timberolves are pretty good at that, and

563
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 2: I'm not carrying water. I just think they're pretty good

564
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 2: at that.

565
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 1: Last item for today, I appreciate the extended time with

566
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: Tom Crean as always back to Anthony Edwards and I

567
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 1: was talking I don't know who we were talking to

568
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 1: about this the other day. The biggest for me improvement

569
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,360
Speaker 1: I've seen the just even in the last six weeks

570
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 1: in Edwards we can still talk about. He admits it,

571
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: you know, defensively not having consistent intensity, which is a concern.

572
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 1: But in the offensive end, what I'm finally seeing more

573
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: than ever is variety of scoring attempts. He is finally

574
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: not just settling for that, you know, step back three.

575
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: He is sometimes getting to the basket better I think

576
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: than he was before. He is sometimes taking a turnaround,

577
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: fade away, just creating space. Sometimes he's doing the mid range.

578
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: That to me, Tom is the greatest sign of him

579
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: figuring it out. That because as you know this, the

580
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: hardest thing to guard is a guy who's going to

581
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: score or show you he can do it four or

582
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: five different ways.

583
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 3: What do you think.

584
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 2: I've said from probably going back to the beginning of

585
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 2: being on your shows that there's so much room for

586
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 2: growth in him and and and there continues to be.

587
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 2: And what you just said is an example not only

588
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 2: of how much better he is, but how much better

589
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 2: he can get. And I think that's what the beauty

590
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 2: of this whole thing is for him. That's why the

591
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 2: defensive intensity, the defensive awareness, the off ball awareness, that

592
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 2: continue to go after people the way that he can,

593
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 2: even at times he showed that yesterday. That stuff is

594
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 2: all there him putting the hammer down more often inside

595
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 2: of a game. But when it comes to growth as

596
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 2: a player, here's the other things he's not. He's not

597
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 2: nearly on the officiating like he's been in the past. Okay,

598
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 2: is he still going to come play, of course, but

599
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 2: he's not even close to where he was right the

600
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 2: press conferences things like that, he's really growing up. And

601
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 2: I say that as somebody that loves him and is

602
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 2: involved in his life, right like that that is so

603
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 2: important to see and all those things to add up

604
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 2: into being a better and more complete player. He's reading

605
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 2: the game better, he's making decisions better, he's seeing the

606
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 2: help earlier, and where the openings are he's always been taught,

607
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 2: and he really does a good job of this, especially

608
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 2: when he's on the side. He sees the furthest man away,

609
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 2: not just what's in front of him, right, so he

610
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 2: can really read where the help is, how they're playing

611
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 2: the weak side. He's getting better with that. You're seeing

612
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 2: more precision in his passing and he's making better reads.

613
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of times you know, he doesn't

614
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 2: need the bulls screen. He was behind with me because

615
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 2: we didn't put him in the ball screen as much

616
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 2: at Georgia because of those very things. He wanted to

617
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 2: dance inside of that screen. He wanted to get to

618
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 2: that step mcmawriffin, and he could make it, but we

619
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 2: wanted to get him downhill as much as we possibly can.

620
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 2: Is this is still a guy that can beat you

621
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 2: off the drive, beat you with the catch and shoot,

622
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 2: beat you in the driving kick, long close out game,

623
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 2: beat you in a ball screen, or just absolutely throddle you,

624
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 2: okay by going by you in a downhill way without

625
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 2: wasting dribbles or taking too many dribbles. So and then

626
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 2: he can score on defense. He can score off his defense.

627
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 2: So what you're saying is or what you're seeing is

628
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 2: not only a product of what he's done, but a

629
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 2: product of where he's going. And that's why I think

630
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 2: you're going to keep having these conversations over years, and

631
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 2: you're going to go, Man, does he keep getting better?

632
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 2: Because that's just how he's built with the work, and

633
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 2: he's just he's seeing the game at a much clear

634
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 2: level all the time.

635
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: Matt, No, will let you go. You're not stealing a

636
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: car while you're talking with this. I've heard an alarm

637
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: go off several time I.

638
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 2: Was working out. No, No, there's some horns. I don't

639
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 2: know what that is. Yeah, somebody's at somebody's maseratiforn going

640
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 2: off there. I'm gonna I'm going to work. I don't

641
00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 2: have a maserati. It's not mine at somebody's maserati. That

642
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 2: could be walking around outside because I'm working out.

643
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 3: It sounds like a nice neighborhood, is what it sounds like.

644
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 2: Here's the other idea. I'm no complaint.

645
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 3: No, I know you don't.

646
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: Next time you get here, if you want a free lunch,

647
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: let me know. I'd be glad to take you to lunch.

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Speaker 1: I hope we can work that out at some point

649
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Speaker 1: when you're back in Minnesota.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'd love to get back there. I'm doing most

651
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Speaker 2: of this from home, and I love it. It's great

652
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 2: working with everybody there. I mean, Marty is unbelievable, and

653
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Speaker 2: anybody I work with, Jim, Michael Allen, everybody in production,

654
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Speaker 2: Mike me who does our pre games and postgames. Trevor

655
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 2: was incredible, one of the best producers I've been around.

656
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's been an absolute joy.

657
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Speaker 3: To be a part of that good group.

658
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Speaker 2: I do most of it from home. I go up there.

659
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Speaker 2: I'll get up there at some point.

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Speaker 3: Though, we'll find you. Thanks again for the timetime.

661
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Speaker 2: Good to catch up anytime, Dan, Thank you all right.

662
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Speaker 1: Tom Crean, big time of college basketball coach these days.

663
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Speaker 1: You can tell man he loves analyzing the game. He'll

664
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Speaker 1: he'll go to a high school game, He'll analyze that.

665
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Speaker 1: Plenty of college and a lot of Minnesota Timberwolves. We

666
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Speaker 1: are a little bit behind schedule. This is often the

667
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Speaker 1: case when mister Green joins us back in a minute

668
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Speaker 1: with olde to a dead.

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Speaker 3: And now it's time for old to a dead guy.

670
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Speaker 1: One of the greats, Robert Duval, has passed away at

671
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Speaker 1: the age of I believe ninety five years old, is

672
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Speaker 1: it possible to believe as celebrated as Duval's career has been,

673
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Speaker 1: that he he fits into the category slightly underrated. I

674
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Speaker 1: think he is compared to some of the names that

675
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: you know, the Paccinos, the de Niro's, the names.

676
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 3: Oh the greatest actor Robert Duva, for.

677
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Speaker 1: Sheer volume and consistency of performance, and I'm talking about

678
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Speaker 1: some epic performances there. I don't think he had to

679
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Speaker 1: take a back seat to pretty much anybody, and.

680
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Speaker 3: Everybody's got their favorites. I got several.

681
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Speaker 1: I think that fall under the radar as being extremely

682
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Speaker 1: overlooked and underrated. I mean, he began his career the

683
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Speaker 1: you know, the first motion picture he did was the

684
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Speaker 1: award winning To Kill a Mockingbird, and he had not

685
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Speaker 1: a single spoken line in that film. In fact, he

686
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Speaker 1: told I think one of the late night talk show

687
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,720
Speaker 1: hosts later that originally he did have one line, one sentence,

688
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: or even a couple of words. He didn't even remember

689
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Speaker 1: what they were, he didn't say, but they were eventually

690
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Speaker 1: cut off and I cut out. And I think when

691
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Speaker 1: you factor in his he's playing bou Radley in the film,

692
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Speaker 1: it was much better that he said absolutely nothing in

693
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Speaker 1: that movie. But when you factor, and that's where it

694
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Speaker 1: began great acting career. You start in a classic film

695
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 1: in which you do not say a word, and then

696
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Speaker 1: you go to some of the motion pictures in which

697
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Speaker 1: they were filled with his words, with his commentary, with

698
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Speaker 1: his acting, you know out whatever that particular character may be,

699
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Speaker 1: and it's a It's a pretty remarkable range and run

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Speaker 1: for him as well. We obviously The Godfather is always

701
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Speaker 1: going to be a big part of the conversation. Apocalypse Now,

702
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: you can argue, might be his most unforgettable character. Lieutenant

703
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: Colonel Bill Kilgore, I love the smell of napalm in

704
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 1: the morning might be one of the top ten movie

705
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Speaker 1: lines ever uttered. He was in that say how about

706
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Speaker 1: how about this? In the same year that Apocalypse Now

707
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Speaker 1: comes out, so does The Great Santini, in which he plays.

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Speaker 1: How do I describe the character he plays? Bull Meecham

709
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Speaker 1: is the name of the character. He's He's Bob Knight

710
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Speaker 1: in military fatigues basically, and one of the most uncomfortable

711
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Speaker 1: scenes that I've ever watched in cinema is when he

712
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: is trying He's taunting his son that he doesn't think

713
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: he's acting tough enough. And it starts on the basketball

714
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Speaker 1: court in the backyard, on the driveway, and then he

715
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 1: follows his son up the stairs, keeps bouncing the ball

716
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Speaker 1: off of his son's head, calling him a girl, the

717
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Speaker 1: whole bit. It's an astonishing, in that case, uncomfortable moment,

718
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Speaker 1: but a great film.

719
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Speaker 3: Great Santini.

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Speaker 1: I'll never forget his performance playing a sports writer, a grizzled,

721
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Speaker 1: curmudgeonly throwback sports writer Max Mercy in The Natural. The

722
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Speaker 1: number of different characters, because you know the old deal

723
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:14,919
Speaker 1: of you kind of play yourself over and over again.

724
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Speaker 1: Some actors did that very well. The movie stars made

725
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Speaker 1: a lot of money that way. He played so many

726
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Speaker 1: different characters throughout his astonishing career. I'll give you another

727
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: underrated one. It's a movie that came out in nineteen

728
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Speaker 1: ninety four called The Paper. He plays one of the editors,

729
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: Bernie White in that film. For those of us who

730
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Speaker 1: grew up in newspapers, it was I mean, there was

731
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: a lot of fantasy in it, but I think it

732
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Speaker 1: was a Ron Howard production. As I recall about basically,

733
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Speaker 1: life on a daily metropolitan newspaper was a new York tabloid.

734
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Speaker 1: In this case, Michael Keaton is the main character in

735
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Speaker 1: the film, but Glenn Close is in it. There's a

736
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Speaker 1: lot of it's a really good supporting cast. That's one

737
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Speaker 1: that doesn't get mentioned all that much. He would be

738
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Speaker 1: very good. You want to go even a little bit

739
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Speaker 1: further back than that, He's in a film What Year

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Speaker 1: seventy six that I've talked about. In fact, we have

741
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Speaker 1: quotes from that movie at the beginning of our show,

742
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Speaker 1: the original open to this show. The movie is called

743
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Speaker 1: Network and in that film he plays Frank Hackett, who

744
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:28,959
Speaker 1: is kind of a very corporate new breed guy who says,

745
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Speaker 1: I don't care what the rules have been regarding the

746
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Speaker 1: separation between the news division in Network News and the

747
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Speaker 1: network itself.

748
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Speaker 3: We're out to make money.

749
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Speaker 1: And a lot of his role is to show just

750
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Speaker 1: how low he was willing to go in order to

751
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: sort of, you could say, Sully the news compromise news

752
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: coverage in the name just getting in result or in

753
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: response of the almighty buck more money as well. The

754
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: list goes on and on. I'm scrolling through it as

755
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:07,240
Speaker 1: we speak. It's I don't know how many movies he made,

756
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: but he certainly made a bunch of them, and of

757
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: course he was in television. He had one of the

758
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: made a great run in the mini series Lonesome Lonesome Dove.

759
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: This goes back to nineteen eighty nine, the kind of

760
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: thing that could be streamed today but was very unusual then.

761
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Speaker 1: He's outstanding in that one as well, so deserving. I

762
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Speaker 1: think of all the accolades that he has indeed received,

763
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Speaker 1: he ends up with. I think he got an Academy

764
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Speaker 1: Award in the film Tender Mercies that was in eighty three,

765
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Speaker 1: also got a Golden Globe that year.

766
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Speaker 3: Days of Thunder. He was in that a sneaky.

767
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 1: Good, if kind of depressing film with Michael Douglass called

768
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Speaker 1: Falling Downs in nineteen ninety three.

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Speaker 3: It's extremely you've seen that one, Yeah.

770
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Speaker 4: In like nineteen ninety three when I was like eleven,

771
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Speaker 4: which doesn't seem like when I should be watching.

772
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Speaker 1: No, No, that seems a little early for you, having

773
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Speaker 1: seen my cousin DA. There's a lot of darkness in

774
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Speaker 1: that film. You're one hundred percent to correct on that.

775
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: I And again he was one of those guys who,

776
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Speaker 1: I mean, you want to talk about, you know, earning

777
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Speaker 1: your Dues. He was in a bunch of early TV

778
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Speaker 1: on shows like Root sixty six, Alfred Hitchcock Presents, The

779
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: Twilight Zone, Outer Limits. He also had another non speaking

780
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Speaker 1: role in one of my favorite science fiction films called

781
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Speaker 1: Invasion of the Body Snatchers. Yeah, and he's on a

782
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Speaker 1: swing in religious Garb, but I don't know if it's

783
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Speaker 1: priest Garb or whatever. He's on a swing. He never

784
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Speaker 1: says a word in the movie, and I don't know

785
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Speaker 1: if that was meant. I don't even think it's credited.

786
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Speaker 1: I'm not even sure it's credited as one of those

787
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Speaker 1: moments where maybe he was just doing it as a lark.

788
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Speaker 1: It's a film starring Donald Sutherland.

789
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Speaker 3: You could go, I mean, you could go on and on.

790
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Speaker 4: Might give you two quickies, yes, because we have to break. Yes,

791
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 4: if you're a child of the nineties. He played Joseph

792
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 4: Pulletzer in Newsies, which Pound for pound. I don't know

793
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Speaker 4: if you get a better cast for a random like

794
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 4: kids movie, which is by the way, I mean Christian Bale,

795
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 4: Bill Pullman and Margaret your Gal and Robert Duvall's in

796
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 4: that movie as as the bad guy. As you know,

797
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 4: the newspaper owner. He's owning everything that's you know, making

798
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Speaker 4: the kids, you know, sell the news the papes for free.

799
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Speaker 3: But how about this is a twist on it.

800
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Speaker 4: That Godfather three nobody likes, Yes, because Duvall is not

801
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 4: a part of it. That's a good point because he

802
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 4: didn't and he's talked about it. That he talked about

803
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Speaker 4: it a million times, that he said, just find a

804
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Speaker 4: Pacino's making twice of what I'm making, but three four,

805
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 4: five times is what I read today. He goes that

806
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 4: I got to draw the line somewhere and they could

807
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Speaker 4: never figure it out, and so no one really likes

808
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 4: the Godfather three. Right, part of me is like, man,

809
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 4: it would have been nice if Duval and Patino and

810
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 4: they all could have figured that out, because obviously the

811
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,280
Speaker 4: first one is what it is. The second one people

812
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 4: have their thoughts. But Godfather three nobody really loves. But

813
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Speaker 4: Duval's omission from that cast is a big no. That's

814
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,479
Speaker 4: reason why people don't like it. That's an interesting thought,

815
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 4: that's true. Yeah, And we've got a lot of good

816
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 4: texts coming in. Keep them coming, because as Gards you said,

817
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 4: we got to get caught up.

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Speaker 1: We'll take a quick pause, a little more on Robert

819
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Speaker 1: Duval's outstanding career, and then we'll prepare for as I said,

820
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Speaker 1: top five at five, don't go, Guardian, I.

821
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Speaker 3: Just sent you.

822
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Speaker 1: A brief little meltdown from Robert Duval, and in this

823
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Speaker 1: particular SoundBite, I don't I think it's clean. I'm pretty

824
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Speaker 1: sure famous last words, all right, at least I thought

825
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Speaker 1: I sent.

826
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Speaker 3: It to you. Did you get it? Yes, some emale

827
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Speaker 3: it's myself, so I can pull it out. He gotcha.

828
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Speaker 1: He's talking in in this case, you know, I just

829
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 1: saw this like two weeks ago.

830
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Speaker 3: That's what struck me today. That might be worth mentioning.

831
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Speaker 1: He's he's always been a very opinionated guy, you know,

832
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: like he's had a couple of meltdowns suggesting that people

833
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: who think movies were better back in the day he

834
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,800
Speaker 1: doesn't agree with. He actually thinks acting is better today

835
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 1: than it was back in the so called golden days

836
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Speaker 1: of the thirties, forties and maybe even fifties. And in

837
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: this case, he's calling out a you know, a very

838
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 1: successful director named Stanley Kubrick who's made all kinds of

839
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: significant films. But I thought we'd play it the sound

840
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Speaker 1: I think is is not great, but it's pretty good.

841
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: And he's he's surrounded by other actors. I want to say,

842
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: Ed Norton's in the group. There's I don't know what

843
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: the setting is, but it almost feels like it's a

844
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: bunch of actors kind of talking amongst themselves.

845
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Speaker 3: And you know, Kubrick did two.

846
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Speaker 1: Thousand and one of Space Odyssey at Clockwork Orange, full

847
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: Metal Jacket, and in nineteen eighty he did The Shining

848
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: Let's listen to the opinion of the now late great

849
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,800
Speaker 1: Robert Duval on why he thinks Kubrick was like was

850
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Speaker 1: an actor's worst enemy to me.

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Speaker 5: Stanley the Great Stanley Kubrick was an actor's in him.

852
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Speaker 5: And I can point to movies that he's done the

853
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 5: worst performances I've ever seen in the movies The Shining,

854
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 5: h what's the one about it? The Clockwork Orange, terrible performances.

855
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 5: Maybe it were the great movies, but did terrible performances.

856
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:37,959
Speaker 5: How does he know the difference between the first taking

857
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 5: the seventieth takes? I mean, you know, I mean, what

858
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Speaker 5: is that about? Brander did forty takes sixty takes on

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Speaker 5: the on that I said, why.

860
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 2: Would you do that? Said, well the guy, Yeah, guy.

861
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 3: To me Stanley, So there it is. I see Ryan

862
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 3: Gosling there.

863
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,919
Speaker 1: Yeah. It was quite an interesting group, and I think

864
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: what that confirms is that Daval was not one of

865
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: those guys who necessarily, you know, wanted to do the

866
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 1: painstaking you know, the seventy ninth take, I just not sure.

867
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: Let's go to eighty and eighty one. He was in

868
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 1: a guy I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna give me

869
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,879
Speaker 1: the scene and it's gonna be fresher and it's gonna

870
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: be better even if it's imperfect. Then this painstaking approach

871
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: that some directors to and some actors like, where you

872
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 1: do take after take after take, and you heard the

873
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: quote from him at some point, how do you know

874
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: between three and eighty I mean, where do you draw

875
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: the line in the name all in the names of perfection?

876
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 1: And it's ironic because you think of Duval and you think, well,

877
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 1: that guy must have studied hard and it's got to

878
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 1: be you know, he's looking for this, this perfect moment.

879
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: And what a lot of the good ones to me

880
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,439
Speaker 1: did They were loosier and goosier than that, right, They said,

881
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 1: I trust myself, I've studied what I need to study

882
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: to prepare myself for this role.

883
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,399
Speaker 3: Let's go do it, and then let's go to let's

884
00:45:59,400 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 3: go get.

885
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: A beer, or let's just go to eat dinner, whatever

886
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: the case may be, a lot of texts coming in.

887
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: What's impressed about Tender Mercies. Another one of I don't

888
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: even say overlooked films in his history is that he

889
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: performed everything himself, wrote several of the songs. Great scene

890
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 1: where he's singing and playing guitar in the kitchen telling

891
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 1: his son each key change, Charlie, don't surf. That's another

892
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: top ten line from Colonel Kilgore in Apocalypse.

893
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 3: Now and Then and Then.

894
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: That's the kind of movie where the stories are legendary

895
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 1: about what a dysfunctional set it was, how disastrous it

896
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 1: appeared to be, the financial you know, you know, how

897
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: much over budget that that that particular production went, and

898
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: the feeling as it was being made that this is

899
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: gonna end up being a disaster. No one's even going

900
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: to like this film, and it ends up being one

901
00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:00,280
Speaker 1: of the classic motion pictures certainly the last fifty years

902
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: or so. Augustin Lonesome Dove is his finest performance.

903
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 3: To me, bar none.

904
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: Dan as a father two Deval quotes that I always

905
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: love Not every successful man's a good father, but every

906
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,919
Speaker 1: good father is a successful man. The one you fight

907
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,399
Speaker 1: with most is always the one who's most like you.

908
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,839
Speaker 1: Rest in peace, mister Duval. I'm sure it's come up,

909
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: writes Rich in Fargo. But his role as Frank Burns

910
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,919
Speaker 1: was nothing like Frank on the show, the TV show,

911
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: amazing nervous breakdown, good reminder. In the motion picture Mash

912
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: believe it or not, Robert Duval was Frank Burns, and

913
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 1: it was a very different, very different character than what

914
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 1: was I mean, he was hated, but he built him,

915
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: and he constructed him in a very different way than

916
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: the direction in the TV show. As good as it was,

917
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: it almost became kind of cartoony, and Robert Duval most

918
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: assuredly did not do that. Now again, he only had

919
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: to play the role once because he's in a motion picture.

920
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 3: But it is absolutely worth worth mentioning.

921
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: For sure, He's still going to open range as a

922
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,479
Speaker 1: cowboy with Kevin Costner. If all was I was standing

923
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: in Secondhand Lions as well, he and Michael Caine. That's

924
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: from five h three, Guy, I did mention Lonese and Dove,

925
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: and that's hard to argue with that one. I did

926
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: mention Max Mercy in The Natural It is, I agree,

927
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: for me, the best baseball film ever made, and he's

928
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: one of the hidden gems in that film in that

929
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 1: I can't when you factor in the time, I can't

930
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 1: imagine a better distillation of at least what we perceived

931
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 1: as in his case, the longtime ball guy, you know,

932
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 1: the ball rider, cynical, suspicious, looking for something he could

933
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: grab on to, maybe even a sensational headline or two.

934
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: He's one of the greatest scenes in The Natural is

935
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:03,439
Speaker 1: he's he's had time with the guy Robert Redford, who

936
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 1: is the natural in the movie, and very early in

937
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 1: the film, but then of course, the character Roy Hobbs

938
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: goes away for reasons I won't go into here, and

939
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: then resurfaces years and years and years later to become

940
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: a part of this major this minor league baseball team

941
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: that's struggling badly, and Max Mercy says, you know, I've

942
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: seen you someplace before, but he can't quite place it.

943
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: He can't figure it out, and the moment he does

944
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: is one of the great moments in the film where

945
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 1: because originally the Natural is a baseball pitcher, but when

946
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: he comes back to the miners, he's a hitter because

947
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: he can't pitch anymore because of the injuries. What's that

948
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: has caught changed? How he has changed his body. But

949
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: he's coming back from the end of practice. He's trotting

950
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: in from the outfield and he stops at the mound

951
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 1: and there's a guy, a teammate, still doing BP's got

952
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:03,359
Speaker 1: these cock in his bats, saying, come on, Roy, come

953
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 1: on here, throw one in here. So Roy says, all right,

954
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: what the hell I'll do it. He winds up and

955
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:15,879
Speaker 1: throws a hell of a fastball, and at that point,

956
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 1: Max Mercy, who had been seated in the bleachers behind

957
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: all this one minute, he's in his seat all by

958
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: himself because it's just practice, just watching this scene play out,

959
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: and then he sees the way that the Natural picks

960
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 1: up the ball and shows that deep down, once upon

961
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 1: a time he was a great pitcher. The ball gets

962
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 1: the fastball gets past the hitter and they fly back.

963
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 1: The camera shot goes back to that same spot that

964
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:44,359
Speaker 1: Max Mercy had been sitting in.

965
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 3: Max Mercy's gone because now.

966
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 1: He's put it together, he's got a story, terrific scene,

967
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 1: and a very good character in an outstanding motion picture.

968
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:55,839
Speaker 3: All right, Top five.

969
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 4: Speaking of baseball, spring training has just begun. Is it

970
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 4: already over for your Minnesota twins? What was your favorite

971
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 4: Pablo Lopez moment.