1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: Welcome to Get Connected with Nina del Rio, a weekly 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 1: conversation about fitness, health and happenings in our community on 3 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 1: one oh six point seven light FM. 4 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to Get Connected. So I just read 5 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 2: this great book that I'm kind of recommending to everybody. 6 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 2: It's called The Country of the Blind, a Memoir at 7 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 2: the End of Sight by Andrew Leland. It is the 8 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 2: story of a writer and reporter in the middle of 9 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 2: his life with retinitis pigmentosa. That's a condition that slowly 10 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 2: diminishes someone's vision to blindness over many long years, and 11 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 2: the book is him exploring the world of the blind, 12 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 2: its politics, its language, its customs as he tracks the 13 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 2: gradual disappearance of his eyesight. There are so many things 14 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 2: that are interesting about this book, and while immersing himself 15 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,959 Speaker 2: in this world, he spelled a fair amount of time 16 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 2: and organizations that support and advocate on behalf of the blind. 17 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 2: And one of the things that stood out for me 18 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 2: was that until recently, many of those organizations and schools 19 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 2: created to support and assist or advocate for people with 20 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 2: low vision or blindness did not have people living with 21 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 2: those same conditions in positions of leadership My guest is 22 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 2: Molly Egan. She's CEO of New York City based Visions 23 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 2: Services for the Blind and visually impaired. It's an organization 24 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 2: celebrating its one hundredth anniversary this year, providing vision, rehabilitation 25 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 2: and social services that help people who are blind or 26 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 2: visually impaired live independent, confident, and connected lives. Visions is 27 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 2: also the leading organization in New York State for placing 28 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 2: individuals with vision loss into employment. Molli is also living 29 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 2: with macular degeneration, a leading cause of central vision loss 30 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 2: and legal blindness in people over fifty. Molly Egan, Welcome 31 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 2: to the show. 32 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 3: Oh thanks for having me, Nina, good to be here. 33 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 2: The website for Visions is visions vas dot org. And 34 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 2: I wonder if we could start with your story. You've 35 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 2: been involved with nonprofits and public health really your entire career. 36 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 3: Absolutely so really over thirty years of work in national 37 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 3: and local nonprofits and academic medicine, all really with the 38 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 3: common thread of public health equity, so organizations like the 39 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 3: Red Cross. After nine to eleven, I spent twelve years 40 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 3: at National Planned Parenthood. I worked in obgyn at Columbia 41 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 3: Presbyterian up in Manhattan. But the common thread there is 42 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 3: all mission driven organizations that help people live their best lives. 43 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 3: So when the recruitment firm came looking, I wasn't ready 44 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 3: to leave my previous role. And when they said it 45 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 3: was about Visions, I admittedly didn't know about Visions as 46 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:01,239 Speaker 3: an organization. But since, as you mentioned, I have macular degeneration, 47 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 3: all of a sudden kind of it sky opened up 48 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 3: and hey, I can do mission driven work for a 49 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 3: cause that's deeply personal to me. So that's how I 50 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 3: got here. 51 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 2: So again from the introduction, it wasn't so long ago 52 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 2: that organizations built to serve people with low vision or 53 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 2: blindness didn't typically have people with low vision or blindness 54 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 2: in positions of leadership. I don't know if you would agree, 55 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,959 Speaker 2: but that feels important to me both for the example 56 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 2: and understand the fullness of the experience. 57 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 3: Well critically important, and I'm so glad you raised that. 58 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 3: I mean a couple things that come to mind. About 59 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 3: a third of the staff at Visions are themselves blind 60 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 3: and visually impaired, and it's incredibly powerful to go out 61 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 3: and work with a child, a young adult, an older 62 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 3: adult even and say, you know, I myself am visually 63 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 3: impaired or blind, so it's a very powerful connection that 64 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 3: we have with participants. I would also say that quite 65 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 3: a number of our new board members have lived and 66 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 3: are blind, and it's really important to have across the 67 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 3: spectrum of the organization staff and board members who have 68 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 3: lived experience and who are blind or visually impaired. So 69 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 3: incredibly important. 70 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 2: So for people who aren't familiar with the organization, what 71 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 2: does Visions do? 72 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 3: Visions basically is an organization that helps people of all ages, 73 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 3: from children to much older adults, live the best lives 74 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 3: that they want to. And that might mean working with 75 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 3: people in their homes as they're losing vision to care 76 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 3: for themselves safely, to cook safely. It might mean for 77 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 3: a young adult learning the technology to help them get 78 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 3: ready to go off to college or to their first job. 79 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 3: To an older adult, it might mean adjusting to vision 80 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 3: loss and learning to navigate safely. You know, we talk 81 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:59,359 Speaker 3: a lot about social isolation with older adults, and I 82 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:04,359 Speaker 3: call vision loss the magnifier there where if you're already 83 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 3: feeling socially isolated and you start to lose your vision 84 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 3: and frankly you're hearing you're much less likely to venture 85 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 3: out of your home and connect with other people. So 86 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 3: Visions does group work with people of different ages. We 87 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 3: do camp programs in the summer for kids and their families, 88 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 3: and as you mentioned in your intro, we have a 89 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 3: large workforce component where we really help people who are 90 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:33,359 Speaker 3: blind and visually impaired fine meaningful employment, either a job 91 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 3: switch or a brand new job. 92 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 2: Let's talk about that in a moment, but I want 93 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 2: to remind everybody who we're speaking with, Molly Egan. She's 94 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 2: CEO of New York City based Visions Services for the 95 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 2: Blind and visually Impaired, celebrating their one hundredth anniversary in 96 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 2: twenty twenty six. The website is Visions VCB dot org. 97 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 2: You're listening to get connected on one six point seven 98 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 2: light FM. I'm Na del rio again. As you mentioned, 99 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 2: Visions helps with employment. According to the statistic I found 100 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 2: from the National Research and Training Center, only forty four 101 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 2: percent of adults in the US with visual impairment are employed. 102 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 2: Can you talk a little more specifically about some of 103 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 2: the hurdles and how you help people surmount them? 104 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 3: Sure, so, I think the first thing that comes up 105 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 3: from employers is they can't imagine what somebody that's blind 106 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 3: and visually impaired can do to complete certain kinds of jobs. 107 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 3: So part of it is really employer education giving a 108 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 3: very high level understanding that there are lots of kinds 109 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 3: of assist of technology, and technology that is screen reader, 110 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 3: which is just what it sounds like that reading off 111 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 3: content on the screen of a computer. There's so many 112 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 3: things that somebody that's blind and visually impaired can do. 113 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 3: When we work with employers, and we work with employers 114 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 3: across the region, we usually say there's almost no job 115 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 3: that somebody that's blind and visually impaired can't receive training 116 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 3: on an assisted of technology to help them do that work. 117 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 3: So we get, for example, folks who have established careers 118 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 3: and they're starting to lose their vision, and we work 119 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 3: with them on how to stay in their current job 120 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 3: because they just can't imagine how they can. And then 121 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 3: they realize that there's so much technology out there that 122 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 3: helps them, and it's about educating them, of course, and 123 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 3: educating the employers. 124 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 2: Vision loss also impacts people's sense of independence, their relationships, 125 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 2: their confidence. What does it mean to address vision loss holistically? 126 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 3: I think it's really exactly what you said. It's every 127 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 3: participant has a different experience, and I think a lot 128 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 3: of folks, at least when I started working with visions, 129 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 3: had this image of people having vision loss with it 130 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 3: one day they woke up in the morning and somebody 131 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 3: turned off the lights, and that is not reality. The 132 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 3: four leading causes of vision loss glaucoma, diabetic retinopathy, immacular 133 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 3: degeneration like I have, and cataracts. They're all slowly degenerative. 134 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 3: So it also it's a cry out for preventive work. 135 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 3: So the sooner you can learn some new skills, the better. 136 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 3: So we look at individual situations. We talk with participants 137 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 3: about where they are with their vision and what kinds 138 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 3: of things bring them joy that they want to keep doing, 139 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:36,559 Speaker 3: and we work with them on trying to be successful 140 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 3: doing those activities. And sometimes they are things in the home, 141 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 3: sometimes they're employment related, and sometimes their mobility related. They're 142 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 3: scared to go out in the big bad city, and 143 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 3: there's all kinds of training that we can do with 144 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 3: orientation and mobility around Caine used to get them out 145 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 3: and about. 146 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 2: One of the other things that sort of came up 147 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 2: in the book was this person. Since you mentioned gradual 148 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 2: vision loss, was this person was gradually losing their vision 149 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 2: and wasn't exactly sure when they needed help, how to 150 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:10,719 Speaker 2: ask for help, at what point they felt like they 151 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 2: deserved help or wanted to admit that they actually needed it. 152 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 2: Can you talk a little bit about that. 153 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 3: I'm really glad you brought that up, Nina. It's people 154 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 3: almost talk about it as a coming out process, and 155 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 3: folks will say, well, when should I come out at 156 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 3: work about my vision loss? It's a real stigma. People 157 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 3: are afraid. They think, what if I went blind? What 158 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 3: if I lost my vision? So that's a lot of 159 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 3: it's a lot of challenge for people to understand when 160 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 3: they tell other people and when they come out to 161 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 3: employers for sure, at their families, and when you don't 162 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:53,479 Speaker 3: know what's available, how much assistive technology that your imagination 163 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 3: is I'm going to lose all my relationships, lose my job, 164 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 3: never leave my apartment, And that is just couldn't be 165 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 3: further from the truth. So we try to work with 166 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:08,199 Speaker 3: people earlier. As I said, these causes of blindness surg degenerative, 167 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 3: and when you can learn some of these skills earlier, 168 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 3: they can be reinforced when you've lost more vision. But 169 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 3: that's the beauty of our work with individuals is it 170 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 3: can start early when you just start losing your vision. 171 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 2: The Vision Centennial is coming up, your big centennial gala. 172 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 2: Let's talk about some fun stuff for a second. It 173 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 2: is June sixteenth. The keynote speaker is Eric Wyenmeier. He's 174 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:36,319 Speaker 2: pretty impressive. Talk about him and the message that you're 175 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 2: hoping he brings. 176 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 3: So if there was ever a person that you can 177 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 3: do anything and be blind, I mean Eric is a 178 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 3: best selling author of the book No Barriers. He is 179 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 3: the first blind person to scale Mount Everest and in 180 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 3: fact has done all the major peaks in the world, 181 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:01,359 Speaker 3: and he brings a message of you know, no barriers, 182 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 3: you can do anything, nothing needs to get in your way. 183 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 3: And so it was really important for the centennial not 184 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 3: only to recognize our wonderful past of one hundred years 185 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 3: and have honorees there that have been with the organization 186 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 3: for a long time, but also where are we going next? 187 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 3: Where could we go? There's no barriers to what we 188 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 3: can achieve in the next one hundred years. 189 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, when you think about that actually specifically, like what 190 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 2: is the next you know, next five years, next ten years, 191 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 2: what are you really looking forward to implementing soon. 192 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 3: So in a recognition that this whole field is growing, 193 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 3: as I mentioned that the numbers of people impacted, it's 194 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 3: for most people, it's not an if they're going to 195 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 3: need our services, but when, and you know, we want 196 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 3: to engage more people in the future. Earlier on, we 197 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 3: also are doing a lot of work to revitalize our 198 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 3: campus that is north of the city in Rockland County 199 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 3: and Spring Valley. And although it's in Rockland County, it 200 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,559 Speaker 3: serves people from Frankly, all over the New York City 201 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 3: area and upstate and folks come there to do to 202 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:13,839 Speaker 3: stay with us, to learn skills, to learn about assistic technology, 203 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 3: and enjoy our camp up there. And so we're doing 204 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 3: a lot of expansion and revitalization of that beautiful property. 205 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,079 Speaker 3: It's thirty seven acres five acre lake. It's just gorgeous 206 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 3: and we're doing a lot of work to revitalize that. 207 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 2: And since summer is coming, can you also tell us 208 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 2: about your free summer camp for blind children and their families. 209 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 3: It's the most beautiful experience. So I joined as the 210 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 3: CEO last July and one of the first things I 211 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 3: did was go to some of the camp weeks, and 212 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 3: so these are camp weeks that focus on children of 213 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 3: a particular age. There's a week for little ones, there's 214 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 3: a week for teens and tweens. It's an opportunity for 215 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 3: the young person to come with their families and they 216 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 3: have some part recreation. There's a beautiful pool there, there's trails, 217 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 3: there's all kinds of experiences that you would have in 218 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 3: a summer camp. But there's also rehabilitation training for kids 219 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 3: to learn different kind of skills who are blind and 220 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 3: visually impaired, and also very importantly a place for parents 221 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 3: to get together and support each other. Many many times 222 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 3: the parents in that room have never talked to another 223 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 3: parent who has a blinder visually impaired child, so it's 224 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 3: very important connective time. 225 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,719 Speaker 2: You can find out more about that Visions classes and 226 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 2: the community and ways to support their work at Visions 227 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:46,199 Speaker 2: vcb dot org. Molly Egan is CEO of Visions. Thank 228 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 2: you for being on to Get Connected. 229 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 3: Thanks so much, Nina. 230 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: This has been Get connected with Nina del Rio on 231 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: one Io six point seven light FM. 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