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Speaker 1: down the final half hour of the show today, and

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Speaker 1: my great honor to welcome in Lieutenant Colonel Daniel Davis,

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Speaker 1: retired from the United States Army, a analyst of all

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Speaker 1: things that deal with Warren policy and Daniel Davis. Great

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Speaker 1: to have you on the show this morning.

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Speaker 2: How are you, sir, I'm doing really well. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: Thank thank you for being here. I think a lot

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Speaker 1: ever since the Maduro Caper. Well actually, I would say

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Speaker 1: lot of people trying to get their head around, you know,

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Speaker 1: why are we taking these actions in Venezuela. And I

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Speaker 2: It's a bit of a puzzle, we have to admit,

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Speaker 2: So that was the claim. But then we went in,

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Speaker 2: the Maduro himself was taken out, but the government was

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Speaker 1: Well. I think from the very beginning it was all

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Speaker 1: So I look at this as a positioning move on

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean, you really can't not acknowledge those

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's a good point. Well, let me ask

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and my next question was going to be, doesn't

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Speaker 1: In your opinion, How much trouble is the leadership in

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Speaker 2: Well, there is no question that they are in a

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Speaker 2: According to Lindsey Graham, anyway, something bigger is coming and

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Speaker 2: That is the real problem to some of these people

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, when you when you look at green have

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Speaker 2: because it wants that protection. The same would be for Greenland.

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Speaker 2: But the other issue that I talk about is that look,

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Speaker 2: a massive Arctic presence on its own border. China is

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Speaker 2: but they don't have the military to project naval and

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Speaker 2: So there is literally there is no risk from it.

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Speaker 2: Our Article five already protects it. And by the way,

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Speaker 2: if you want it for air defense or this Golden

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Speaker 2: we have in place, we can expand our footprint. We

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Speaker 2: don't need to own it in order to have those

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Speaker 2: owning it because it comes a great cost to us,

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Speaker 2: and I'm talking great cost over an extended period of time.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that he's thought through a lot of that,

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Speaker 2: because I think if he did, he would see we

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, Daniel Davis, Lieutenant colonel retired from the Army,

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Speaker 1: and thank you so much for your perspective this morning.

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Speaker 1: Great to have you on for the fifty five KRC

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Speaker 1: Morning Show, and keep up the great work. I certainly

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Speaker 2: Thank you a lot.

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