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Speaker 1: Jesse Kelly Show. Another hour of The Jesse Kelly Show.

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Speaker 1: I'm so nerding out right now that a half hour

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Speaker 1: from now we get to talk to a veteran of

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Speaker 1: the Rhodesian Bush War. I'm having trouble staying focused. My

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Speaker 1: focus is just stay focused and don't shake your head.

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Speaker 2: Chris, shut up, Chris.

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Speaker 1: I love that we added that on there. That's my

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Speaker 1: new favorite SoundBite.

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Speaker 3: Chris.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna text people about it. Well, did you get

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Speaker 1: that email? Chris? From the guy? Sorry, we'll get back

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Speaker 1: to politics in a minute. Somebody wrote in an email

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Speaker 1: and had his kid or his nephew figure out how

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Speaker 1: to put that. People be texting. It's now the text

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Speaker 1: notification on his phone. Chris, Can you do that for me?

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Speaker 3: Do you know what?

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Speaker 1: Corey? Can you? Can someone do that? Do you know

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Speaker 1: how to do that? Is it? No one knows how

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Speaker 1: to do that. We need some young people in this office.

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Speaker 1: This is the problem. We need young what Chris, don't

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Speaker 1: I have two kids? Yeah, but I worry that they're

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Speaker 1: more like me. You know what, James could probably do it.

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Speaker 1: I'll make James do it. He'll figure it out, all right.

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Speaker 1: First of all, two good things before we get back

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Speaker 1: to some other stuff. Headline, heg Seth, the Secretary of

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Speaker 1: warptex Seth is planning a huge shakeup at the top

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Speaker 1: of military command. That is incredibly important and necessary. As

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Speaker 1: we were just discussing last hour, the long march through

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Speaker 1: the institutions. Well, the communists didn't exempt the military from that.

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Speaker 1: They wanted it, they knew they had to have it,

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Speaker 1: and they went and got it. They attacked our military.

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Speaker 1: We have so many commie generals, commie admirals, so many

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Speaker 1: of them throughout our service academies now again doing what

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Speaker 1: being subversive, fighting for the revolution. Cleaning them out is

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Speaker 1: going to be a very long, very difficult process, and

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Speaker 1: it is extremely necessary and I mean extremely necessary. So

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Speaker 1: that's a good thing, something you can feel good about.

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Speaker 1: Here's something else. The federal government has shed two hundred

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Speaker 1: and seventy one thousand jobs this year. I know we

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Speaker 1: have concerns. I know we have things that we want done,

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Speaker 1: things that aren't being done. I get that. Then all

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Speaker 1: that stuff is legitimate. Look, I just criticized everybody yesterday. Man,

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Speaker 1: do you think we'd have gotten rid of two hundred

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Speaker 1: and seventy one thousand federal government jobs if Kamala Harris

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Speaker 1: was president. No, we would not. No, we would not.

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Speaker 1: Now I have to play this bit because it just

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Speaker 1: makes me laugh. This is Zoran Mandani, he's the incoming

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Speaker 1: mayor of New York City talking about free buses center.

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Speaker 2: We made five bus routes free in New York City.

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Speaker 2: When we made those bus routes free, after a year,

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Speaker 2: assaults on bus drivers dropped by thirty eight point nine percent.

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Speaker 1: On the bus driver.

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Speaker 2: With the bus drivers because unlike the train, the act

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Speaker 2: of fair collection on the bus happens on the it's.

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Speaker 1: And they're actually going to claim that bus drivers will

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Speaker 1: get assaulted less when they make the bus free. Let's

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Speaker 1: have a little chat, shall we, before we get back

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Speaker 1: to politics. And it's ugly to have this conversation, but

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Speaker 1: I don't care. I'm ugly, wait on the inside. On

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Speaker 1: the inside, I'm ugly, So let's have it. Access Access

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Speaker 1: is uh. It's one of those things you need to

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Speaker 1: monitor in life. And if you ever find yourself in

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Speaker 1: a place that lets everybody in, you will find the

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Speaker 1: biggest bunch of scumbags in low lifes in your area

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Speaker 1: every single time. If you want to get me to

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Speaker 1: not go somewhere, and you know I'm cheap. I'm not

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Speaker 1: Jewish producer Chris cheap, but I'm cheap. If you want

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Speaker 1: to guarantee that I will not go somewhere, make it

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Speaker 1: free or and I've learned this lesson after forty four years,

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Speaker 1: you're just gonna have to trust me. Or half price Day.

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Speaker 1: They had this place here locally, and it's one of

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Speaker 1: these kind of kids paradise places. They're all over the country,

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Speaker 1: so you have one close to you as well that

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Speaker 1: has a bowling and laser tag in arcade games, in pizza.

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Speaker 1: You know it's kids paradise. Of course, we walked in

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Speaker 1: that we had been there before. It took the boys there.

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Speaker 1: Then it was a Wednesday, I believe. We went there

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Speaker 1: with the boys and it was more scumbags and ghetto

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Speaker 1: trash than you've ever seen in your entire life. Couldn't

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Speaker 1: figure it out until we walked up to buy our

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Speaker 1: tickets and they said, oh, hey, it's half price Day.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you're here. They're going to make the buses

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Speaker 1: free in New York City and it's going to be

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Speaker 1: so freaking bad. It just there's nothing these people cannot

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Speaker 1: ruin it's absolutely nothing. These people cannot ruin. All right, now,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to play something for you. It's ilhan Omar,

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Speaker 1: and I love that she's in so much pain right now.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is about by the way, this is

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Speaker 1: about Trump's new travel band. He added a bunch of

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Speaker 1: more Muslim countries to the travel band.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the biggest worry of the new executive order

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Speaker 4: is that it does separate families. It doesn't create an

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Speaker 4: exception for you as citizens to have their family members

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Speaker 4: be able to come visit and celebrate milestones with them.

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Speaker 4: And so this is a very cruel.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, let me clarify. We don't want your family

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Speaker 1: members here. We don't want them to visit. We certainly

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Speaker 1: don't want them to live here. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: smell a single one of ilhan Omar's family members. In fact,

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Speaker 1: if I ever take power in this country, ilhan Omar

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Speaker 1: in all of her family will not just be banned

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Speaker 1: the country. That's how bad it's going to be one day.

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Speaker 1: But again, the communists understand who's the bread and butter

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Speaker 5: Here's Steve Cohen They're arresting people simply for the offense

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Speaker 5: of being in the country illegally. It's not right, but

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Speaker 5: it's not necessarily something should cause deportation when they are

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Speaker 5: not committee crimes and they are attributing to the economy.

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Speaker 1: So that's a concern we have. They're arresting and deporting

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Speaker 1: people for being in the country illegally. That is a

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Speaker 1: controversial position for the modern Democrat Party. Oh, he had

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Speaker 1: more to say.

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Speaker 5: Memphis is not an immigration center of crimes. Most of

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Speaker 5: the people that are there that are immigrants, even if

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Speaker 5: they did come into the country illegally, most of them

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Speaker 5: are working legally and doing a lot of important work

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Speaker 5: in Memphis and construction industry, the tourism industry, and they're

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Speaker 1: They just prefer foreigners over you. It's pregernorable, fringnorable. Hey, Jesse,

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Speaker 1: thanks for the outstanding Another outstanding history lesson, this time

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Speaker 1: about the Rhodesian Bush War. I am so disappointed in

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Speaker 1: the West, especially the US, for failing to support Rhodesia

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Speaker 1: against the black communist factions. I understand now why my

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Speaker 1: prosperous country. I know it's hard to accept, but there's

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Speaker 1: a good chance your history teacher wants to do the

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Speaker 1: exact same thing here and and will do anything in

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Speaker 1: his or her power to make that happen. It's a

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Speaker 1: terrible state of affairs. But this is why this stuff

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Speaker 1: doesn't get taught in schools. Jesse. This is about healthcare costs.

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Speaker 1: I now paid twenty seven thousand dollars a year for

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Speaker 1: good coverage for my family. Good grief. My pot is

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Speaker 1: simmering and about to boil. The whole system seems so

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Speaker 1: messed up, from the hospitals to the drug companies to

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Speaker 1: the insurance providers. Can this ever get fixed? Are there

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Speaker 1: ways to opt out of the system and into something

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Speaker 1: that will cover a family without paying extra for abortions

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Speaker 1: and trans grap and illegals. Paying for healthcare is now

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Speaker 1: a full time job. It is unbelievable what health insurance

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Speaker 1: now costs in this country. I can only tell you

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Speaker 1: what I've looked into, Okay, and I'm not an expert, souse,

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Speaker 1: I haven't done it right. What I've looked into getting

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Speaker 1: And it sounds expensive, and it is expensive, there's no

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Speaker 1: question about it. But it's not that much more expensive

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Speaker 1: the health insurance industry, which, of course the government screwed up.

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Speaker 1: Remember it's not the insurance companies. It was all this

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Speaker 1: or something like that. But what I've warned about repeatedly,

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Speaker 1: get and that was previously not like that in the country.

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Speaker 1: The last time I had to go to the hospital,

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Speaker 1: Were there some lovely nurses, of course? Was there a

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Speaker 1: in July. So here it is. Do you remember what

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Speaker 1: I told you about Dan Bongino and the FBI. But

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Speaker 1: especially if it's over the next year, it can't be saved.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't believe he can save it because he's not

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Speaker 1: you it can't be fixed. I I don't know all

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Speaker 1: I mean, the only reason we have the pipe bomber

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Speaker 1: now is because Bongino, right, You can do some good things,

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Speaker 1: But all you can do is nibble around the edges,

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Speaker 1: because at its core it is an evil, communist criminal organization.

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Speaker 1: And I do not believe it can be fixed. I

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Speaker 1: don't it should be defunded, dispad in its entirety. It should,

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Speaker 1: And as I've said many many times before, I believe

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Speaker 1: that the FBI will be one of the main driving

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Speaker 1: something in the future in this country, because the Communists

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Speaker 1: arrest pastors, and one day some red states may actually

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Speaker 1: get some guts and say no, you're not allowed to

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Speaker 1: come in. No, you're not allowed to do this, and

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Speaker 1: And it's easy to see how that could kick the

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Speaker 1: whole thing off. We can't take half measures with communist institutions.

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Speaker 1: We want to want to do with the You cannot

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Speaker 1: take half measures with communist institutions. By the way, Chris,

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Speaker 1: what are the are these shekels you put on my thing?

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Speaker 1: What are these things? Is this what you people call shekels?

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Speaker 1: egg and cheese, baker. You wouldn't know because you're from Texas, buddy,

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Speaker 1: It's really not bad anyway. Jewish food's terrible, Buddy, it's

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 3: Oh, I grew up on a farm. Okay, I was

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Speaker 3: Well? No, no, I went. I went into Marines. I

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Speaker 1: Now we can't just fast forward past being a freaking

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Speaker 3: Do you ever go up there? It's beautiful? I don't uh.

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Speaker 3: When I landed there August sixty seven, out off the plane,

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Speaker 1: Now. The fight itself, it's hard for me to explain

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Speaker 3: From my own personal perspective, if you'll pardon my language,

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's I'm sure there's other guys that have been

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Speaker 1: I forgot what it was like to be that freaking tired.

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Speaker 1: All right, now, for the reason you're joining us again,

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Speaker 1: War and obviously the Vietnam War as well. Buddy, how

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Speaker 3: I do not want to sound too corny, but I

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Speaker 3: it doesn't sound too goofy.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't sound goofy at all. I just had them meet

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Speaker 1: the camaraderie. It's nothing goofy about at all. Anybody who's

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Speaker 1: what is Rhodesia. What is the state of the war

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Speaker 3: Not good?

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Speaker 1: What year is this pardon, sir, what year is this?

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Speaker 3: This would be September of seventy nine. Okay, they were

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. Okay, So buddy, if you don't mind,

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Speaker 1: if I'm just so grateful you're giving us your time

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Speaker 3: Yes, sir, I'm here as long as you want me.

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Speaker 6: It's the Jesse Kelly show on a magnificent, magnificent Wednesday,

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Speaker 6: a hump day, and we are still joined by Buddy Lilly,

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Speaker 1: United States Marine. All right, Buddy, we we kind of

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Speaker 1: Do you? How does it work to even get recruited?

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Speaker 1: How did you get signed up?

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Speaker 3: Jesse? You don't know how close you just came. I didn't.

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Speaker 3: You hit it just about on the head.

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Speaker 1: You So whose door did you knock on? Buddy?

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Speaker 3: Let me tell you this on a serious, serious note,

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Speaker 3: On the plane, I was, well, I flew from just

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Speaker 3: He had to fly into Yoburg and then they would

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Speaker 3: They're a little heavy, but we're going to load them

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Speaker 3: and he said they're head and I said they're tools.

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Speaker 3: He said, I understand. And I got on a plane.

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Speaker 3: to stay at, gave me his telephone number when we

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Speaker 3: got to where we landed in Salisbury. When we landed there,

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Speaker 3: he took me to a hotel. He said, if you

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Speaker 3: don't like this, please call me. And I was just

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Speaker 3: I just said, gee, this is it's like being in

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Speaker 3: the country in the USA. These people are so friendly

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Speaker 3: and polite. The other first person I met was the

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Speaker 3: customs guy with a big grin says, you want to

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Speaker 3: join the army? And I said, I just got here,

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Speaker 3: can you give me a break? And I really was

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Speaker 3: like that. Everybody was just helpful. That's all I can

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Speaker 3: tell you.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So you get yourself checked in at the Rhodesian

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Speaker 1: Best Western or whatever hotel you were checked in at,

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Speaker 1: and not quite where do you go?

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Speaker 3: Then?

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Speaker 1: Do you go have a night or two out on

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Speaker 1: the town chasing down Rhodesian women? Do you what's next?

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Speaker 3: Well, the gentleman from the customs gave me his and

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Speaker 3: asked me to give him a call. As it was,

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Speaker 3: they only lived about six or eight blocks from the

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Speaker 3: hotel I was at, which was not a flea bag.

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Speaker 3: It was okay, but it was not the Monamatapa which

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Speaker 3: I could see across the town, which I couldn't afford,

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Speaker 3: thank you, but it was nice. So I called this

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Speaker 3: gentleman up, walked to their house and you got to imagine,

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Speaker 3: now this is downtown Salt, very beautiful town was and

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Speaker 3: I'm carrying ar in my back. Nobody said at fact,

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Speaker 3: it's an ar and they don't see Art fifteen. They

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Speaker 3: don't see too many of them. But I looked around

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Speaker 3: and said, gee, everybody's carrying guns around here. I mean, seriously,

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Speaker 3: I'm not exaggerating a whole lot. And anyway, I got

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Speaker 3: to this gentleman's house and his girlfriend worked for the

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Speaker 3: sports the Criminal Investigation Division, so she sent me over

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Speaker 3: to see one of the supervisors the next day who

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Speaker 3: one to scale one of ten was about an eight

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Speaker 3: and a half. But she sent me to a couple

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Speaker 3: places for interviews. I mean, I'm on my second day there.

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Speaker 3: This is how fast things were moving. And I was

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Speaker 3: offered a couple jobs and I did not feel comfortable

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Speaker 3: taking a couple of them because I didn't know the AO,

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Speaker 3: I didn't know all the customs. The responsibility I would

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Speaker 3: have had did not line up with my knowledge of

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Speaker 3: the country, if you know where I'm coming from. So

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Speaker 3: I ended up going to work for Well. I had

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Speaker 3: an interview with Anglo American, which was a pretty big corporation,

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Speaker 3: and went to work for the Forest Management Service. The

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Speaker 3: gentleman in charge, the big boss, took me to his

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Speaker 3: house for lunch. I was just flabbergasted. I know it

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Speaker 3: sounds crazy, but gave me a long talk, took me down,

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Speaker 3: made sure my driver's license would be okay in Rhodesia

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Speaker 3: should be at the office at one o'clock. You're going

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Speaker 3: out on a convoy, and next thing I knew, I

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Speaker 3: was hired.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so we're gonna pause before we get to the convoy.

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Speaker 1: This is something actually I did not tell everyone when

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Speaker 1: I was discussing the Rhodesian Bush War. You brought it up.

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Speaker 1: I've seen the pictures of it. That women would walk

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Speaker 1: around with weapons. It was such a dangerous place that

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Speaker 1: just everybody was armed.

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Speaker 7: Did you see that, Yes, sir, I mean he didn't

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Speaker 7: always do it, but it wasn't on you usual to

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Speaker 7: pass somebody with a you know, with an fal on

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Speaker 7: their back. Everybody over there had to be a citizen

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Speaker 7: soldier were female. You did not know when or if

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Speaker 7: h mcgobby's boys were gonna pop in there and do something.

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Speaker 7: They weren't as bad as the terrorist star nowadays.

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Speaker 3: They didn't hit the big city as much, but you

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Speaker 3: had to be prepared anyway, and those people were prepared

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Speaker 3: some of the later on one of the hotels and I'm

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Speaker 3: Colly where I worked out of. Oh, I forgot to

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Speaker 3: tell you that much, huh, I forgot something.

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Speaker 1: Okay, it's okay, buddy, it's because we're about to take

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Speaker 1: a break, and then when we get back, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: tell us everything, because I'm just gonna continue to bore

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Speaker 1: you with questions because I'm so fascinated right now, I'm

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Speaker 1: so excited. Buddy Lily, veteran of the Rhodesian bush War,

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Speaker 1: as promised, is here given us as time killing it.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Buddy, cannot tell you how much I

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Speaker 1: appreciate this. So we are going to take a little

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Speaker 1: quick break. When we come back, I know this is

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Speaker 1: the next hour. Buddy, Lily's gonna give us some more wisdom.

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Speaker 1: Hang on,