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Speaker 1: The Broncos off season.

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Speaker 2: Gosh, still sucks that we're here, but very excited to

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Speaker 2: head out to the Kaylee Thomas Beard Hell highline'. Bring

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Speaker 2: on a good friend of the program, the one and

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Speaker 2: only Parker Gabriel with the diver post at Parker J.

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Speaker 2: Gabriel on Twitter x whatever you want to call it,

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Speaker 2: Pett Parker, It's great to catch up with you.

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Speaker 1: Nate Jackson, Ryan Eberts, how are you man?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing great.

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Speaker 4: How are you guys doing?

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Speaker 1: We're doing greats. We were just talking about the Broncos

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Speaker 1: offensive coordinator.

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Speaker 2: So I'll start with how surprised were you we found

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Speaker 2: out on Tuesday?

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Speaker 1: And of course it was after our media session, naturally.

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Speaker 2: But how surprised were you about the Joe Lombardi news?

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Speaker 2: And now that the Broncos have satisfied the ruining rule,

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Speaker 2: how quickly do you think they'll move to name their

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Speaker 2: offensive coordinator?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I guess the first part. First, I for like one

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Speaker 3: moment I was surprised, and then I guess not so much.

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Speaker 3: You know, obviously he's got a lot of history with

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Speaker 3: Joe Lombardi. But I thought Sean Payton as he was

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Speaker 3: talking on Tuesday and I think we flagged it real time,

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Speaker 3: and then obviously it picked up in retrospect too, But

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Speaker 3: I just thought he expressed them discontent with sort of

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Speaker 3: more than one thing offensively, and if you look and carefully,

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Speaker 3: he said he went into Zach Street's office and talked about,

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Speaker 3: you know, run game and what the offseason looked like

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Speaker 3: and all that. He didn't say that he went into

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Speaker 3: his offensive coordinator's office and asked about that. So certainly,

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Speaker 3: like I came away from it thinking Kerry Colbert was

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Speaker 3: probably in trouble after his demonstration on the basics of

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Speaker 3: catching the football, and then Joe Lombardi two, and then

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Speaker 3: obviously since Pete Carmichael has left. And yeah, I mean

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Speaker 3: I think as you mentioned, I mean, they've sort of

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Speaker 3: now in the OC search, They've satisfied the requirements for

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Speaker 3: the Runey rule. They've talked with Ronald Curry and then

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Speaker 3: the passing game coordinator, Brian Johnson from the Washington Commanders.

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Speaker 3: So I would think any old time here, certainly it

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Speaker 3: would seem as though Davis Webson's strung.

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Speaker 5: Position, all right, So they're looking for an offensive coordinator

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Speaker 5: and they're also going to be looking to upgrade the

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Speaker 5: offense at certain positions.

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Speaker 1: What kind of turnover do you see? Where do they

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Speaker 1: need to improve?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think I mean you'd know better

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Speaker 3: upgrade at all three of the sort of playmaking positions

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Speaker 3: wide receiver, tight end, and running back. Certainly, they just

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Speaker 3: they need more out of the tight end room overall,

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Speaker 3: and they need more of the running back. They need

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Speaker 3: the sort of production they got from the running back

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Speaker 3: room when JK.

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Speaker 4: Dobbins was healthy.

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Speaker 3: So whether that's you know, Dobbyns and Harvey sort of

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Speaker 3: back at the one two punch next year, whether that's

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Speaker 3: you know, drafting another back to play with Harvey, finding

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Speaker 3: somebody else in the free agent market, Like, there's a

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Speaker 3: lot of ways to address that room tight end, it

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Speaker 3: sort of feels a little bit trickier, whether it's you know,

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Speaker 4: So I just think like any of.

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Speaker 3: Those three positions or position groups they could they could

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go back to the OC for just a second,

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Speaker 2: because we got a report from Ian with NFL Network

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Speaker 2: saying that he had reached that Sean had reached out

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Speaker 2: to Joe Brady about being the offensive coordinator. Of course,

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Speaker 2: the very next day they named him Bill's head coach,

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Speaker 2: and it's like, okay, well.

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Speaker 1: Not a big deal.

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Speaker 2: But he ended out in reports was he might give

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Speaker 1: Do you think that's a possibility, was this next JOC hire.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I do think it's a possibility, which even you know,

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Speaker 4: You're crazy.

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Speaker 3: I don't know for sure. Obviously depends on who it is. Like,

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of trust in Joe Brady. I think

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Speaker 3: And the other thing that, like the other thing I found

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Speaker 3: that idea about calling plays. Now, you know, Ian obviously

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Speaker 4: There wasn't a time element on that.

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Speaker 3: So was it like, hey, come here and they'll be

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Speaker 3: it goes. And maybe it's year one, Maybe it's if

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Speaker 3: you don't get a head coaching job after the first year.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, Like I don't. I don't think we

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Speaker 3: Like hard and fast, Like yes, definitely, Joe Brady was

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Speaker 3: maybe it was a little bit more nebulous than that.

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Speaker 4: And I think I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I think they'll be clarity with Davis web one way

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Speaker 4: Will it sort of unfold? I don't. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: But given the way Sean Peyton has been sort of

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Speaker 3: of the season and into the playoffs, and given all

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Speaker 3: these sorts of different tea leaves and all of that. Like,

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Speaker 3: I guess I'm at least of the mind that a

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Speaker 3: And that's just something that I don't think any of

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Speaker 3: us could have even thought we'd be talking about in.

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Speaker 4: Like a real way, you know, within the last.

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Speaker 1: Couple of months.

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Speaker 5: Let's talk about the defense a little bit, Parker, because

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Speaker 5: defense clearly the strength of this team, a championship caliber

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Speaker 5: defense that kind of picked up the slack for the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but a couple of those guys maybe maybe out

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Speaker 5: I mean, do do we think Alex Singleton will still

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Speaker 3: Well, the fact, I mean that it's a great question. Hey, Like,

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Speaker 3: And then I thought like, obviously, you know, Greenlaw struggle

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Speaker 3: I know, Alex Singleton catches a lot of flak like

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Speaker 3: I thought he and Sternad probably had each had their

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Speaker 3: to say, hey, that that's a good enough duo.

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Speaker 4: To win a super Bowl with.

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Speaker 3: Maybe they will, but I just sort of think like

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Speaker 3: green Law is the only one of the trio that's

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Speaker 3: Law and extend Jakwon McMillan, Like, that's just there's a

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Speaker 3: lot of mouths defeat on that defense is a good

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Speaker 3: problem to have. I just like Vance Joseph has been

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Speaker 4: And all of that. Like, I guess I.

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Speaker 3: Could see them picking Surnad just the way he played

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Speaker 3: this year. But it's a really fascinating group. I don't

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Speaker 3: think all three of those guys around the roster next year.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't be surprised if two of them were. And

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Speaker 3: then you get into like a really interesting conversation about

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Speaker 3: you know which of those two it might be talking.

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Speaker 2: With Parker Gabriel from the Denver Post, so you mentioned

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Speaker 2: if he's going to be the defensive coordinator for the Broncos.

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Speaker 2: It seems like the interview cycles cooled a bit on him.

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Speaker 1: So are you a little surprised on that?

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Speaker 2: And then be you think he's back here as our

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: At this point, I do, like, I just don't I

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Speaker 3: don't see where there's a head coaching job for him. Which, again,

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Speaker 3: like if you would have if you would have rewound

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Speaker 3: just would have been surprised that he didn't get one.

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Speaker 3: But it doesn't at this point, like and less, unless

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Speaker 4: Going to happen. I mean I think in that way,

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Speaker 3: The Broncos are will be incredibly fortunate to get him back.

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Speaker 4: For another year.

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Speaker 3: I know he'll be disappointed and not get a job.

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Speaker 3: But it just you know, they've been a top like

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Speaker 3: core of defensive players coming back. They're sort of like

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Speaker 3: Davis Web's got a lot of attention to no surprise,

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Speaker 3: Jim Leonard is getting coordinated, you know, interviews all over

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Speaker 3: the place. I guess it's just a little surprising that

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Speaker 4: To be back next year.

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Speaker 2: So why, in your opinion did it cool for Advance?

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Speaker 2: Was it because they kept playing? Is that to have

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Speaker 3: I mean that's a great question. Like I probably to

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Speaker 4: Like I don't know, it could be more than one thing.

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Speaker 4: It could be it could be the you know, the way.

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Speaker 3: The interviews specifically went, Like I just but I don't know,

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Speaker 3: I just can't. It's hard for me to It's hard

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Speaker 3: for me to imagine that he wasn't prepared like he

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Speaker 3: just you talked to anybody around him, talked to him

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Speaker 3: like he's learned a lot, he's taken a lot of No,

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Speaker 3: he's observed, he knows what went wrong the first time

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Speaker 3: he was a head coach, and I think he's built

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Speaker 3: a plan to present the teams that addresses all of

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Speaker 3: those things. What's the planet quarterback? Who's your staff? You know,

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Speaker 3: how do you lead the whole group?

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Speaker 4: What do you do with it?

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Speaker 3: You know, in terms of play calling defensively, like, these

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Speaker 3: So I just like, I'm not quite sure. I don't

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Speaker 3: But man, I mean, that's that's it's hard to me, Like,

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Speaker 3: My first gut isntto like put on vantage shoulders, Like

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Speaker 3: I just find it really hard to believe that out

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Speaker 5: Parker Courtland Sudden Brouncle's leading receiver seventy four catches, one

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Speaker 5: seventeen yards and touchdowns. Is Courtling something the number one

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Speaker 3: That's that's a good question. I mean, probably, but not

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Speaker 4: You know, all of that.

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Speaker 3: But they're not easy to find, and I don't I'm

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Speaker 3: much into like, hey, let's try to pay George Pickens

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Speaker 3: top of the market for these guys, Like ideally, you

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Speaker 3: you know, Sean Payton and George Payton have never been

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Speaker 3: bone Nix extension, you know, maybe eighteen months from now,

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Speaker 3: so like all of these things, the way their roster

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Speaker 3: of your own guys into that? And not impossible. You

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Speaker 1: Long time, our last one, Parker.

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Speaker 2: I always appreciate the time man, great insights and again

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Speaker 2: tremendous writer there for the Denver post. Just and I

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Speaker 2: don't know why we're talking about past injuries and all

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Speaker 1: And the clarity that you added was great.

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Speaker 2: Because you said, well, Sean was talking about a predisposition,

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Speaker 3: Well, I think that you know, sometimes with Sean Payton,

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Speaker 4: Quite get all of the details.

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Speaker 3: And that's fine, Like, you know, he's not he doesn't.

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Speaker 4: That's what you know.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it was Hey, he went out of

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Speaker 3: the stress fracture likely would have healed on its own

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Speaker 4: So like in that way, you know, it's obviously you.

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Speaker 3: Know, misfortune on the injury front and all of that.

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Speaker 3: In terms of bo Nicks, like, you know, I don't

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's this massive rift between Sean Payton

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Speaker 3: aublicly and reporting wise and all of that first then

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Speaker 4: This, not just on Sean, but on sort.

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Speaker 3: Of the whole picture and the whole conversation around his injury.

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Speaker 5: Parker why do you think, you know, for a coach

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Speaker 5: he didn't want to talk about anyone's injuries ever, why

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Speaker 5: to discuss in detail all of Bo's injury issues and

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Speaker 3: Essentially. Yeah, it's interesting because I think there I think

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Speaker 3: And there was a couple of years ago, I maybe

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Speaker 4: You anything that you think has anything to do with

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Speaker 3: But like outside of the like getting ready for a game,

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Speaker 3: I think that largely explains it. I don't think there's

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Speaker 3: you know, Bonix probably would have preferred that wasn't.

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Speaker 2: The case in the scenario, quickly explained, Parker really appreciate

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Speaker 2: the inside as always, my friend, Thank you so much,

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Speaker 2: And maybe, you know, take a couple of beats and

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Speaker 2: take some breats before we get going with the combine

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, maybe let's uh maybe put a couple

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Speaker 3: I agree with you. As a downtime, Well, we'll maybe

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Speaker 4: Here at some point soon.

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Speaker 2: Maybe maybe appreciate you man, Thank you, Thanks Parker all Right,

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Speaker 2: Parker Gabriel