1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: Kashiabato six hre of fifty five kr CEV talk station. 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: A very happy Monday too, and a very happy New 3 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: Year to everyone. Nice to be back to work, Nice 4 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 1: to be firing on at least a few of my cylinders, 5 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 1: and it is always great. I love this man. Brother 6 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: Andrea Ewing would call him Brother Dre. You can find 7 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: him online and Andrea Ewing. He is responsible. He's the 8 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: founder of Curse Breakers three hundred strong and Death Row Ministries. 9 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: He tried to help some people dealing with the prison 10 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: system to no longer deal with the prison system, to 11 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,520 Speaker 1: find solutions for these people to choose a better path 12 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 1: in life. And in fact, former police officer was almost 13 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 1: we round up. We'll call him thirty year veteran since 14 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: a police officer, so he has been there. He's done 15 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: the hard work that we were just talking about with 16 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 1: Hamilton Township Police Chief Scott Hughes. He knows how bad 17 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: things can be, he knows how stressful the job is, 18 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 1: and he knows what it's like to be supported by 19 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: elected officials. And he also can lay witness to what 20 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:59,279 Speaker 1: happens when our elected officials do not support police. Brother Dre. 21 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: It is great having you back in studio. Happy new Year, 22 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 1: my friend. 23 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 2: Happy new year. Brother Brian. Is so good to see you. 24 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:09,040 Speaker 2: I'm excited about being here. It's time to go to work. 25 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 1: Well, we have come a long way since twenty twelve, 26 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: and I really truly you're not patting yourself on the back. 27 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:20,119 Speaker 1: You kind of brought this this proclamation from the Hamilton 28 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 1: County Border Commissioners that you received in honor of the 29 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: work that you did for community service and problem solving. 30 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: It's the twenty twelve Beyond the Call Award and it 31 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:32,960 Speaker 1: looks remarkably familiar. But as I see, it was signed 32 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 1: by Greg Hartman, Chris Monsel and Todd portun acknowledging you 33 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: for the work you did building cooperation between police and 34 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: the community. You were doing outreach work, you were doing 35 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: all kinds of you know, talking with churches, You met 36 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: with community leaders, discussed the idea of you know, enthusiastic responses. 37 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: You talked about the idea of police, you know, having 38 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: a better relationship. You got an award for this. This 39 00:01:57,840 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: is something that I just got off the phone with 40 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: Hamilton Township Police Chief Scott Houghston. He identified it and 41 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: I brought it up to him. Wouldn't we have a 42 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: much better city of Cincinnati if the damn elected officials 43 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: would come out and support the officers and praise them 44 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: for the work they do, Acknowledge their hard work, give 45 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:19,119 Speaker 1: them the support they need, Encourage strong policing, put cameras 46 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,519 Speaker 1: up where we obviously need cameras. I mean, there's a 47 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: multitude of things. The silence is deafening. You don't hear anything. 48 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: If it ain't a ribbon cutting ceremony for some new 49 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 1: skateboard park, you have to have purvalls missing in action. 50 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: So I mean, what happened between this time when what 51 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 1: you were awarded for, which what we're all clamoring for. 52 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: Whatever happened to these kinds of programs, they just disappear. 53 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 2: Called leadership once again. And you've heard me hammer at 54 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:47,799 Speaker 2: home and smith Man was right on point. I thought 55 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,519 Speaker 2: I was listening to brother Drey this morning when Smithman 56 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 2: was talking, So shout out to him on his passion. 57 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 2: I have a daughter as well. Yeah, and I understand 58 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 2: this process, and it's the gloves are off, and they've 59 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 2: always been off. But when you look at what the 60 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 2: community is developed. You have your pastors, you have police, 61 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 2: and you have parents, and back then in twenty eleven, 62 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 2: here it is a program being started, a faith based 63 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 2: initiative called Fact D three. We started in District three. 64 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 2: And ironically, guess who was the captain in District three 65 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 2: at that time, Captain Russ Neville, So he can witness 66 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 2: the program itself and exactly what took place. And what's 67 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 2: interesting is that what everybody is trying to do right 68 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 2: now has already been done. But you had leadership and 69 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 2: ego maniacs and people that are envious and jealous come 70 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 2: in and try to dismantle a program. And now what 71 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 2: do you get. You constantly get chaos, You constantly get shootings. 72 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 2: You constantly get a community who do not trust the police, 73 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 2: and that's a problem, and they would rather see a 74 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 2: little girl gunned down. They would rather see constant murders 75 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 2: in Cincinnati then to tell the police why there is 76 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 2: no relationship anymore with the police and with the parents, 77 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 2: and the pastors need to get reinvolved to re establish 78 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 2: this relationship so we can build trust once again. 79 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm glad you brought the pastor part up because 80 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: I asked you off air, and it's been my perception 81 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: that maybe pastors don't wield any level of respect or 82 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: authority the way they at once point did a lot 83 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: of people in the old days. We all went to 84 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 1: church on Sunday. Children went and they were brought up. 85 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 1: You know, suffer the little children come unto me. You 86 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: bring them to church. They learn the rules, they learned 87 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: the morals, they learned the ethic, they learned the values 88 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 1: of Christianity or Judaism, whatever, all designed to make humanity 89 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: work together and play together better. But do kids go 90 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: to church anymore? Does a reverend or a pastor or 91 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 1: a minister at one of the city churches still hold 92 00:04:54,920 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 1: and wield some measure of influence over young people. No, ohd. 93 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 2: Social media is the rule. People don't really come out 94 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:09,799 Speaker 2: to fellowship anymore at churches. Churches are hemorrhaging for young 95 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 2: people to come out. And this is an issue because 96 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 2: now most pastors have different agendas when they used to 97 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 2: get out into the community. Avondale has fifty two churches. 98 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 2: On every block you would go and see that there 99 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 2: is a church, and in every community you would go 100 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 2: and see that there's a church. So the church would 101 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 2: be responsible for their block. They would make sure that 102 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 2: they know everyone in the community and would minister to 103 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 2: that community, whether it's your house of refuge, whether you 104 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 2: need food and clothing, whether you need even counsel. Those 105 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 2: pastors are needed. But what has happened now today the 106 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 2: pastors go against the police. Now when you have strong 107 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 2: leaders that constantly talk about the police and only bring 108 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:02,359 Speaker 2: up black lives matter. If the police are involved in 109 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 2: a shooting. 110 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, and they want and the narrative is they will 111 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: cite an illustration and no one, no one can say 112 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 1: with a straight face that all police are all good, moral, ethical, 113 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: right people, No one is correct. I mean, you're looking 114 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 1: for perfect in any human being, you ain't gonna find 115 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: it right, correct, So we start from that. But by 116 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: focusing on only the worst and then telling the rest 117 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: of the world that all of them are participants in 118 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: this egregious behavior, you've undermined the whole thing. And when 119 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: you were talking about what the pastors used to do, 120 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: they know everybody on the block, they would engage, they 121 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: would find out, they would listen and talk. That was 122 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: kind of the role the police used to have. The 123 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: beat cop. You know, he knew the store owners said 124 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,919 Speaker 1: hi to him, checking doors. That's the type of relationship 125 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: we need to build between police and the community. But 126 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: if the community is of the perception, then any guy 127 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: in uniform or woman in uniform bad. If that's the 128 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 1: first response, you're not gonna get anywhere nowhere now. 129 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 2: And this is what you see in the communities that 130 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 2: are happening. They really are saying, hey, we don't want 131 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 2: the police here. We don't want you here at all. 132 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 2: We're not going to support that at all. And if 133 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 2: you're in our neighborhood now it's well, the police are 134 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 2: going to just arrest us and don't talk to the 135 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 2: police at all. So now you have this misconception. What 136 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 2: are you teaching our young people, especially our young inner 137 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 2: city kids that look at the uniform and say, I 138 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 2: despise you from jump And this is why it's important 139 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 2: to reunite this relationship, to really say we're not just 140 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 2: here to lock you up. That's not my intentions. And 141 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 2: that's what I wanted to prove even back in twenty eleven, 142 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 2: to say, hey, look, you're looking at the uniform, but 143 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 2: let me tell you more about brother Dre. And this 144 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 2: built the relationship that it became so strong. I was 145 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 2: even awarded for it. But people lost sight of the vision. 146 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 2: Even and like I told you before, even a Vice 147 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 2: Mayor Kearney, she knows about the program and things that 148 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 2: are implement it. And one thing that agreeges me is 149 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 2: when Miss Williams, the mother of the eleven year old, 150 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 2: she made a comment said, we don't even live here. 151 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 2: I hate this city. There's nothing but cruel people here. 152 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 2: Now see that right there alone as a travesty and 153 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 2: how they were treated at the hospital. And I know 154 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 2: that to be true. And that's why this program was implemented. 155 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 2: To teach pastors and have chaplains and have an emergency 156 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 2: care team to go to these families at the hospital, 157 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 2: because I've watched them just look at their loved one 158 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 2: dead and no one is there to support, No one 159 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 2: is the go between, no one to talk to them. 160 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 2: So I hope that intrim Chief Henny is listening because 161 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 2: I'm tired of talking about the same things. Get a 162 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 2: care team in place. It was dismantled back in twenty 163 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 2: eleven and twelve because of jealousy. We need to have 164 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 2: people in place that know how to talk to the 165 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 2: community and be a goal between. 166 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 1: So a program that you were responsible for that proved 167 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 1: itself a worthwhile program, so much so that you got 168 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: an award for it. They dismantled it over politics. 169 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 2: Basically correct correct is there's always jealousy when you reach 170 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 2: the top. Trust me when I tell you that. And 171 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 2: when you are doing great things, you are a big 172 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 2: target and they say new levels, new devils. And so 173 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 2: even though the program tried to continue, they couldn't continue it. 174 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 2: Why because God didn't give them the vision. God didn't 175 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 2: give them to know how what to do. And the 176 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 2: key was it started in District three, but the goal 177 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 2: was to have it in every district, to have a 178 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 2: faith based liaison officer in all the five districts at 179 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 2: that time. And what you would have is now a 180 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 2: communication from every district in every corner and every church 181 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 2: successful in District three, which is one of the busiest 182 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 2: districts that we have, and so why wouldn't you want 183 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 2: to utilize that in every district. So they didn't continue 184 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 2: with the vision, and guess what happened. The relationships between 185 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 2: the police and the pastors separated in the community, lost 186 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 2: trust and here we are today. 187 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 1: And then you have the George Floyd impetus behind the 188 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter movement which became a complete hate the police, 189 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: defund the police and propelling and continuing that broadbrush narrative 190 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: that all police are bad. Let's talk with more with 191 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: brother Dre andre Ewing. Fund him my line andre Ewing 192 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: on Facebook. He's just outspoken. He does a video sort 193 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 1: of a fireside chat. If I may be so delicate, 194 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: but he does a great job at it. Eight sixteen 195 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: right now, will continue, don't go away, fifty five the 196 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: talk station A twenty here fifty five kerc DE talk station. 197 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: I will correct the record. Brother Dre is in studio, 198 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: but I used Andre Ewing. It's his his web page 199 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: on Facebook. But he's got his own curse Breakers one 200 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: word three hundred, Brother Dre. If you just type in 201 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: curse Breakers three hundred on Facebook, you will find it. 202 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 1: And that's where you can be well. You can enjoy 203 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: his rants as much as I do. Each and every week. 204 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: Ox spoke and again he knows about law enforcement, having 205 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 1: spent almost thirty full years as a Cincinnti police officer. 206 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: An award winner he is for his actions in the 207 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: community trying to breach that you know, trust issue that 208 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:32,679 Speaker 1: we clearly have, which is fomented by politicians and programs 209 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: that were successful that have been deleted or eliminated because 210 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: new sheriffs in town, new administration. All. We can't keep 211 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: around what the former guy did. We need to go 212 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: our own direction and take credit for that. I get 213 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: that's I get that is the impression. But going back 214 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: to the political figures, we have the pastors and the ministers, 215 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: the community leaders. And I'll throw Iris Rawley's name out 216 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 1: there again because she is so profoundly influential. You can 217 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: say anything you want about her. She's got a lot 218 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:03,679 Speaker 1: of sway politically in downtown Cincinnati. 219 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 2: Absolutely, I mean Iris Roly and if I've said this 220 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 2: is powerful in the city of Cucinata in other places. 221 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 2: And one thing that I know, if you want to 222 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:18,439 Speaker 2: move the needle, you put Iris Rowley and Damon Lynch 223 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 2: in the same room. I guarantee the cameras to be 224 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 2: down there the next day. You're right, Okay, Now, so 225 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,079 Speaker 2: we have to deal with the elephant in the room. 226 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 2: And if you are that powerful and you have that 227 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 2: type of voice and you can move the needle, why 228 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 2: is not this happening? So what has to happen is 229 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 2: the community of the West End OTR other areas. They 230 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 2: have to now build their strong communities. They have to 231 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 2: literally stay consistent and come together as one. But if 232 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 2: Iris Rowley is strictly against the police and don't trust 233 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 2: the police, and hear Brother Dre is saying, hold on, 234 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 2: we can try to work this out. Let's work together. 235 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 2: Guess what they're gonna trust more, Ira Roly, then they 236 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 2: will now, Brother Dre, because I've wore the uniform. So 237 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:07,719 Speaker 2: there needs to be a breach of mediation. And that's 238 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 2: why you've heard me say on my podcast, I'm not 239 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 2: here to take sides. I'm here to save lives, right. 240 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:19,119 Speaker 1: And I just don't understand why she is that powerful 241 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 1: and fine, why doesn't she use that voice and that 242 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: power for good. You heard Smithman going on about it, 243 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:29,439 Speaker 1: you know, the Black Lives Matter out there in front 244 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 1: of city Hall, and he's saying, damn it, these people 245 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: do not care about black lives because if they did, 246 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 1: they would be working to breach this gap that exists, 247 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 1: a gap that exists primarily because someone so influential regularly 248 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 1: goes out in front of the crowd and says, don't 249 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: listen to those people. Police are bad, period. End of story. 250 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 1: And then you can't get off the ground with moving 251 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: forward with bettering the community relations and bringing about a 252 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 1: safer neighborhood. What is her problem with wanting a safer neighborhood? 253 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: Police can bring them. The physical presence of police officers 254 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: are a deterrent to crime, stopping crime before it happens. Look, 255 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:08,559 Speaker 1: there's a cop on the corner, I'm not going to 256 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: commit a crime. Light stand right there. That works. What's 257 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: wrong with that concept? Brother Drake Well? 258 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 2: I believe in just talking to a lot of individuals 259 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 2: in the community that if we say release the police, 260 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 2: then there would be mass incarceration and they'll just start 261 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 2: to take advantage of the inner city of police. And 262 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 2: that's why I said there has to be trust involved, 263 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 2: and you have to make sure that these police officers 264 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 2: get checked accordingly. And that's why I always talk about 265 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 2: mental health. That you can't just let a police officer 266 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 2: go twenty twenty five years, fifteen years and never have 267 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 2: a wellness check. That's ridiculous. And I always said every 268 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 2: three months they should be having a strong psychological evaluation 269 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 2: to make sure how their policing is done. And even 270 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 2: have individuals that understand if this particular officer consistently gets 271 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 2: a complaint, they're consistently stacking charges, They're consistently arresting people 272 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 2: that don't deserve it. This is where you have, say 273 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 2: the brother dres that understand why is this officer doing 274 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 2: what they're doing so. But now if you have it 275 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 2: one way, brother Brian, that says, we don't care, don't 276 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 2: trust the police, don't tell them anything. Now you have 277 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 2: a community that's afraid of the police and the bad guys. 278 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 2: That is a recipe for disaster. And this is what 279 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 2: you are seeing right now. No trust with the police 280 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 2: and I'm scared of the local bad guy. 281 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 1: Wow, and you know just going I asked you the 282 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 1: question off the air. I mean, if you could get 283 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: a straight answer poll, you go out in every single resident, 284 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: unlike an election where only twenty five percent show up. 285 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: But if you got every single resident on record with 286 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: an honest answer to the question, would you like a 287 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: stronger police presence in your neighborhood? Period? End of story. 288 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 1: I would like to think that most people would, especially 289 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: if you're in a high crime neighborhood like the West End. Well, 290 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: of course I would rather have police there. Maybe there's 291 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: some bad eggs within, but we're going to stop the 292 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: crime from happening because they're around all the time. 293 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 2: Correct, Correct, But being around is also just saying we 294 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 2: need our community officers to be more involved. And when 295 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 2: I was doing it, it was we were making visits 296 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 2: and constant community outreaches and we were involved in so 297 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 2: many things within the community. Absolutely, and so they looked 298 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 2: at the officer differently in the uniform based on that. 299 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 2: Now the officer doesn't have the time to go about that. 300 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 2: This is why I said, if you have experienced veteran 301 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 2: officers that have retired, put them into a community relations 302 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 2: position to go into the neighborhoods and rebuild the trust. 303 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 2: You have all this money your auditioning out, but like 304 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 2: I said, you're not focusing it on the right resources. 305 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:08,640 Speaker 2: Bring back these educated officers that understand, give them the 306 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 2: right training, and allow them to rebuild their relationships within 307 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 2: the community on a regular basis. Because the cop team 308 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,399 Speaker 2: units now they're overwhelmed with so many other projects that 309 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:23,159 Speaker 2: they have to do. 310 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 1: Contingent is down too, and we need more office absolutely 311 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: work done. Absolutely, We'll continue with Andrea Ewing again Curse 312 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: Breakers three hundred Brother Jerry on Facebook A twenty seven 313 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: right now if you have KRCD talk station fifty five 314 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: krc dot com free t shirts with the question Cursebreakers 315 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: three hundred dash brother Dre on Facebook. That's where you 316 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: find the man who is brother Jery Andre Ewingion Studio. 317 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:48,120 Speaker 1: Thirty years as a police officer, just shy of he's 318 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: seen it all. He's had programs that he's been behind 319 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: and got awards for them, ways of bettering community relations 320 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:57,959 Speaker 1: between the police and the community and of course holding 321 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 1: those responsible for bad behavior responsible. And you know what, 322 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 1: the way the data is collected these days, this isn't 323 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 1: the old days, Drey. I mean, you can't get away 324 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: with stuff like you did. And the old days, the 325 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 1: officers all have cameras recording what they're doing when they're 326 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: on the beat. Everybody's got a camera around them. The 327 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 1: city's got cameras all over the place, well except for 328 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 1: the West end, so you know this is going to 329 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 1: be recorded. Police know that they aren't. This isn't the 330 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: days of the rubber hose and beating confessions out of people. 331 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: And I'm not going to excuse, you know, pulling people 332 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 1: over for driving while black or something we all know 333 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:33,400 Speaker 1: that that puts a bad taste in people's mouths. They're 334 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: just harassing me. But I mean the idea that these 335 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:43,400 Speaker 1: solutions that you talk to, and one of the programs 336 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: you mentioned was DARE and we used to have the 337 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: officers in school and talking about issues with drugs and 338 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: reaching out and getting in touch with these young people 339 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 1: and establishing this relationship. Now, I asked you, because that 340 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 1: doesn't exist anymore. 341 00:18:55,640 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 2: Apparently, correct, not here in Cincinnati. It is in some 342 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 2: nationwide departments inside the schools and for the their program 343 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:11,880 Speaker 2: that was the Drug Abuse Resistance Education. It is neat 344 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:15,679 Speaker 2: especially in times of today, that is so much easy 345 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 2: access to drugs for our kids, and so it is 346 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 2: necessary that we educate them properly. I've talked to school 347 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:28,439 Speaker 2: teachers and they tell you we can't even teach because 348 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 2: the kids come in high they are either smoking weed, 349 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 2: they have alcohol, and this is a major major issue 350 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 2: and we can't keep up with trying to educate them 351 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 2: and they constantly get left behind. And this is why 352 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 2: you had all these alternative and charter schools being developed. 353 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 2: And you look back and you don't there's a charter 354 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 2: school every other month coming being presented, which is absolutely ridiculous. 355 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: Well did the program work? That was the question I 356 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: asked you was a follow up because you know, quite often, well, yeah, 357 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: there's a we got a new solution, let's let's fund 358 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 1: this program, and then we find out that the program 359 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: is funded. Yeah we've got DARE going on in the 360 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: school system. But you don't hear anything about the result. 361 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 1: Isn't that a program that actually bore fruit and helped 362 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: people stay off drugs and get them on the right path. 363 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 2: Yes, it did. We have some excellent SROs that implemented 364 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 2: the DARE program. I mean they had a relationship with 365 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 2: the kids that was amazing and knew how to talk 366 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 2: to them in a special way. And the kids trusted 367 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 2: them as well, because now they are not just trying 368 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 2: to police, they're educating, and they're telling you the things 369 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 2: that are bad and what can happen to you if 370 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 2: you have drugs on you. So it was an early intervention, 371 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 2: and they tell you already that early intervention is part 372 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 2: of a problem solving these things. It isn't rocket science. 373 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 2: But if we don't you already have an audience when 374 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 2: you have kids already in school. 375 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, you do, and I was just laughing as you 376 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 1: were saying that at early intervention. Going back to getting 377 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: kids back into church again, you know, if the wrath 378 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 1: of God is going to come down upon you, and 379 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 1: you learn that at a really early age and as 380 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 1: a way of keeping you out of trouble a lot. 381 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely, And it's proven that gun violence drops when 382 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 2: policies are layered, but they're not extreme. I'm gonna give 383 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 2: you an example. So you number one, you got to 384 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,880 Speaker 2: have responsible gun laws. I mean, let's make sure that 385 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 2: the laws definitely fit the crime. When we don't just 386 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,439 Speaker 2: patch you on the back and rub you down with 387 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 2: some lotion and say it's okay. I mean, we got 388 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:47,199 Speaker 2: to get serious. And then the strong communities that for 389 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,360 Speaker 2: some reason, the communities are not strong anymore. They're broken, 390 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 2: and we have to find a way to redevelop the 391 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 2: strong communities, not after major issues happened before. And then 392 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 2: you have to have one again, we just said it 393 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 2: early intervention, and so you have that early intervention, then 394 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 2: then there has to be what Brian accountability for violent behavior. 395 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 2: So there's still accountability. There still has to be discipline. 396 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 2: We're not just going to say no, it's over. So 397 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 2: when you layer these things. This has been proven proven 398 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 2: to work. So that's why it amazes me when I 399 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:27,640 Speaker 2: keep hearing all these thousands of programs that keep coming up. 400 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,120 Speaker 2: And I talked to somebody after we did a youth 401 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 2: interaction before, and he said, if we can concentrate more 402 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 2: on collaboration versus competition, we could move the needle in 403 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 2: a strong way. And a one hundred percent agree. 404 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 1: Well, it's like the hand in the cookie jar kind 405 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 1: of thing that we saw in Minnesota and elsewhere in 406 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 1: this country. You know, you create a non governmental organization 407 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: who has all these great ideas and all the best 408 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: interests of the community, and everybody lines up and creates 409 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: their own NGO. They're going to get a check and 410 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 1: they're on competition whatever finite number of dollars is. Is 411 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 1: there any follow up with any organization out there claiming 412 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: to do what you actually did back in twenty eleven 413 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 1: that is showing results, it is actually proving that it works. 414 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 1: I don't ever hear any follow up. 415 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 2: And that's the problem is they have all these government 416 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,679 Speaker 2: funds and federal funds that come out and they just 417 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 2: start giving away money. We want to see the proof 418 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 2: in the putting let's see exactly, let's measure how this 419 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:31,400 Speaker 2: has worked and save lives and made transformations. 420 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: A thirty six. Right now, we will continue with Brother 421 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 1: Dre Cursebreaker, three hundred dash Brother Dre on Facebook. Hold 422 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 1: on right back. 423 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 2: This is fifty five karc an iHeartRadio station. 424 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: You're see the talk station. Hey forty here fifty five 425 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: KRCD Talk station. Brian Thomas with in studio Cursebreaker's three 426 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: hundred Brother Dre Andre ewing again and thirty year police officer. 427 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 1: He's got some great ideas about how to repair community 428 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 1: relations and he got an award for these types of 429 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: ideas a decade ago, and apparently they got rid of 430 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: them because well, the new administration, well they weren't their ideas. 431 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 1: So let's toss that out throughout the baby with the bathwater. 432 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,640 Speaker 1: Let's not keep what works, Let's start with something new. 433 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,719 Speaker 1: And then that brings us to the challenge of you know, 434 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 1: is there any accountability with whatever program has been started 435 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: to correct this problem and to bring it you know, I, honestly, Dre, 436 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 1: I would think that correcting the misperception that police are 437 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: all bad that is probably the easiest of the challenges 438 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 1: just straight marketing. You got Purval and Michelle mc kearney, 439 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 1: and you've got everybody on board praising the police, saying, 440 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 1: don't demonize them, welcome them. They've got great resources. They 441 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,120 Speaker 1: can steer you in the right direction, keep you out 442 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 1: of trouble. They're not there to hurt you. They're there 443 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: to help you. That's why they signed up. That seems 444 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 1: the easiest of the challenges to deal with. And you 445 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: mentioned earlier in the program, you know, these outreach programs 446 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: you try to engage parents and pastors and all these 447 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 1: other community leaders. The word parents. I wrote that down 448 00:24:56,320 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 1: because I get the impression that parents just don't seem 449 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: to really care what their kids are up to at 450 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:10,120 Speaker 1: any given time, that there isn't that disciplinary component. I mean, 451 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: I don't know what you were like growing up, but 452 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 1: growing up in my house, the biggest concern I had 453 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,400 Speaker 1: was the incurring the wrath of my dad or my mom. 454 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 1: I mean, that was primary discipline Number One. Didn't matter 455 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: if I got paddled in school, I was going to 456 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 1: get a paddle when I got home too, and it 457 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 1: was going to be worse than the one I got 458 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 1: at school. So they cared enough about my future, to 459 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,159 Speaker 1: make sure I went to school, to make sure I 460 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 1: applied myself. Is that as a concept just completely disappeared, dray. 461 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 2: Well, let's deal with the facts, brother Brian. One of 462 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 2: the things that is true is when you have fatherless homes, 463 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 2: it has been proven fact that your kids will more 464 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 2: than likely, over sixty to seventy percent, will be involved 465 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:58,640 Speaker 2: in some type of dysfunction, some type of crime, some 466 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 2: type of drug add So it is a shout out 467 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 2: to the real fathers that handle their business. I'm all 468 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 2: for you. But the ones that are out here doing nothing, 469 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 2: that have zero relationship with your children, that just want 470 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 2: to keep making babies and that's it. There is a 471 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:21,880 Speaker 2: responsibility as men, and I can speak on the level 472 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 2: of a black father who raised his daughter had full custody. 473 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 2: Shout out to Moline, I love you. You know. The 474 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 2: bottom line is black fathers need to stand up as 475 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 2: well as white fathers. I don't care what race you are, 476 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 2: but the father in the home is important to have 477 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,879 Speaker 2: that relationship. So when you have these absentee dads, it 478 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 2: has been proven that violence will increase. You have young 479 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:52,160 Speaker 2: young men and women that just are frustrated at life 480 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 2: because the number one person that should be in my 481 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 2: life to show me some grounding is no longer there. 482 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 2: And now the mothers have to either work over time, 483 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,919 Speaker 2: double time trying to raise these children. And so what 484 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 2: happens is the siblings and the children have to take 485 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,679 Speaker 2: care of the other siblings so they don't go to 486 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 2: school and get the education necessary to change. 487 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 1: That's absolutely well, and that's thee another seemingly insurmountable problem. 488 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: If you have abosthe fathers, they're disappeared, they're gone, they're 489 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: a jet, doesn't matter what happened to them. Then that's 490 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 1: a role that could possibly be filled by you know, 491 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,879 Speaker 1: men like you, people who are willing to engage in 492 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: you know, programs for young people to act as that 493 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: mentor and to provide that fatherly figure guidance that these 494 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: children so desperately need. I mean, that seems to be 495 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 1: a worthy goal and a worthy idea as long as 496 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,640 Speaker 1: you're not politicizing it. I mean, I want to turn 497 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: my kid over to you know, if I if I 498 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 1: left my young kids, if I still had young kids 499 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: who weren't adults, and I put them in the hands 500 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: of Andrea Ewing, I know they'd be taking great care 501 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,160 Speaker 1: of I know you're message. I know what you would 502 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,159 Speaker 1: be saying. I know that they would be safe and 503 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,400 Speaker 1: your you know, under your tutelage. And it is possible 504 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 1: that there's someone out there that has this idea, but 505 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 1: then they'll turn it into a big political exercise and 506 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 1: try to convince your kids a cops suck or something 507 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: like that. But we need strong father figures to fill 508 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: in that void where they do not exist in these 509 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 1: young people's lives or they're destined to that percentage you mentioned. 510 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 2: One hundred percent. And what's interesting is I was doing 511 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 2: all this on my police salary. Yeah I know, I know, Okay. 512 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,920 Speaker 2: I didn't ask for give me a special amount of money. 513 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 1: We brought that up there. 514 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 2: Give me all this financial means that I need to 515 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 2: make it happen. I did it within the confinement of 516 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 2: my work shift. And that's why I'm gonna give a 517 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 2: shout out to Captain russ Neville, and I'm gonna tell 518 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 2: you why. You know, we know I have to have 519 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 2: the issues with which with Chief Thieji, Okay, but Captain 520 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 2: russ Neville, he understood the vision at District three. He 521 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 2: saw the work that I was doing, and he said, 522 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 2: what do you need to make this success sucessful? And 523 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 2: I'll give it to you. Whether it was the days off, 524 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 2: whether it was the overtime, he said, I want to 525 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 2: make sure this happened. And the key was he was 526 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 2: directly involved that every pastor every community member that I met, 527 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 2: he took the time out to sit at the table 528 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 2: to make sure these things were going to happen. And 529 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 2: it was interesting because he was out of his comfort 530 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 2: zone going into I want to say black churches and 531 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 2: being in a position to speak. But it brought the 532 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 2: relationship together because number one, they never really seen a 533 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 2: white officer comeing to all black church. But I was 534 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 2: able to show him exactly how there are cultural differences, 535 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 2: but how we can come together. And he saw firsthand 536 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 2: how it worked. And the proof is in what you 537 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 2: see right here in the rewards that was just given. 538 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna pause. We'll bring it back for one 539 00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: more since we had one more segment with Chris Breaker 540 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: three and brother dre he knew he talks about it now. 541 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 2: I'm Stephen Curry and this is Gentleman's cut. 542 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 1: I think what makes Gentleman's cut the CD talk station 543 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: happy New Year Brian Thomas with Brother Dre. You find 544 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 1: him online and Facebook Curse Breakers three hundred dash Brother 545 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 1: Dre and you'll be very entertained by what he has 546 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 1: to say, some enlightening comments and some very pointed criticisms 547 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 1: from time to time. That's why we bring him on 548 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: the program. All right, man who had successful ideas and 549 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: again got an award for what he was doing and 550 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: by way of outreach more than a decade ago, programs 551 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 1: that actually work. This was through District three of the 552 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 1: CINCINNT Police Department, and he was doing all of this work, 553 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 1: the outreach work, the efforts to you know, bring the 554 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: community together, getting the priests together, the ministers and and 555 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 1: and and the people of faith together to work with 556 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 1: the community, and all designed to you know, grease the 557 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 1: skids and oil the machine of better community relations and 558 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 1: also trying to have an impact on young people and 559 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: change the trajectory of their life. You were able to 560 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 1: do this. You had the help of the Captain of 561 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 1: District three who offered you the resources. No one wrote 562 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,719 Speaker 1: you a check one. This wasn't a decree from the 563 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 1: mayor or the vice mayor or the city manager. And 564 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 1: demonstrated success. Could they do this again on their own? 565 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 1: The police? I mean, is there someone stopping this successful 566 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 1: program from coming back or re engaging it or reimagining 567 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 1: it along the similar lines stray. 568 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 2: No, this comes down to the chief of police. Okay, 569 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 2: the chief doesn't need permission from the city manager. The 570 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 2: chief doesn't need permission from the mayor to implement programs 571 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 2: within the department. And that's why I say, you have 572 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 2: to have the right people in place that will be 573 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 2: effective to make these things happen. And the officer who 574 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 2: has a heart for people, that understands and care about 575 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 2: people when they should go through through a chaplaincy program 576 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 2: as well to understand that process. And that's why it 577 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 2: was it was good to have everyone work together, between 578 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 2: the parents, police and the pastors. It is it is necessary. 579 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 2: But the chief of police could right now if he 580 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 2: wanted to call Andre Ewing and say we want to 581 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 2: implement a program and re establish some things, he could 582 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 2: actually get officers. So if you said you don't have 583 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 2: the man power, you don't have the bodies, guess what 584 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 2: I've said it one hundred times. Bring back retired officers 585 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 2: that know the community, know how to talk to people 586 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 2: and can address things on a whole different level. 587 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 1: And if they spring from this, you know, uh, this 588 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,720 Speaker 1: belief that you have, this, you know that you haven't 589 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: lost hope for humanity. You know there's a better way. 590 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 1: If they're interested engaging in this type of I'll call 591 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 1: it a ministry for lack of a better word, You're 592 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: not going to have getting retired police officer. This isn't 593 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: like getting a lateral higher from a police department where 594 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 1: you are hiring a person to engage in law enforcement. 595 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 1: This would be outside of arresting people. This would be 596 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 1: a spokesperson, an interventionist, someone who could help spread the 597 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 1: resources that are available. 598 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 2: Absolutely and to implement that training that's necessary so officers 599 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 2: can relate to the issues at hand. And one thing 600 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 2: that made the program even successful was going into the 601 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,960 Speaker 2: Hamilton County Justice Center and having the Curse Breakers three 602 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 2: hundred program there and bringing in officers that never had 603 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 2: an opportunity to actually talk to those who are incarcerated 604 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 2: on that level. They would drop them off but not 605 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 2: talk to them, so they would understand and even develop 606 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 2: a different type of relationship with those that are incarcerated. 607 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 1: Right, and you were in rooms with you know, twenty 608 00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: five thirty probably murderers because if they were still locked 609 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 1: up in a lock up, they obviously had committed some 610 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 1: pretty bad crimes. But they listened to you and they 611 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,959 Speaker 1: appreciated you. From what I've understand, are many conversations both 612 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 1: on air and off air about this. They had respect 613 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 1: for a man who came in, who used to wear 614 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,279 Speaker 1: the uniform, who even wore the uniform. A cop is 615 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:21,279 Speaker 1: sitting here talking to me. That's just highly unusual. But 616 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,239 Speaker 1: the idea that it had an impact, that it actually worked. 617 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,800 Speaker 1: It was not you were spinning your wheels there talking 618 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 1: to someone like you were talking to a brick wall. 619 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,799 Speaker 2: Absolutely, because I was building the relationships Number one, to say, 620 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 2: when you get released, we want to make sure you 621 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 2: have relationships already in place, right and wherever you go 622 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 2: back home, it's your community and we need to work together. 623 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 2: And so it was teaching these young men and women 624 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 2: how to be responsible in their community and build these 625 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:53,360 Speaker 2: relationships prior to so if they already. Number One, employment 626 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 2: is an issue, guess what you had, brother dre officer 627 00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 2: ewing as a liaison talk to a employer and say, 628 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 2: this person has these skills and are ready to go 629 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,840 Speaker 2: right now, and all of a sudden, you can implement 630 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 2: an interview with this person because they've had the train 631 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,360 Speaker 2: as soon as their foot hits the ground and are released. 632 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 2: Guess what, They're not a menace to society, but they're 633 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 2: a productive person in society, and they go right to 634 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,719 Speaker 2: employment and feel better about themselves. 635 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 1: Feeling better about yourselves, you know, the beauty of work, 636 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,800 Speaker 1: quite often is that it's worth. Absolutely gives you self respect, 637 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 1: gives your reason to get up in the morning, and 638 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,359 Speaker 1: it provides a great foundation for you to maybe have 639 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,439 Speaker 1: a family and take care of your kids. Absolute, brother, 640 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,880 Speaker 1: dre always a pleasure having you in my studio. You 641 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 1: are always welcome in my studio, sir, or even just 642 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 1: calling in if you have if you can't make it in, 643 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,800 Speaker 1: and I hope that you will be available throughout the 644 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,280 Speaker 1: year from time to time to have these conversations further. 645 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:52,279 Speaker 2: Absolutely, and once again, I'm tired of saying condolences to 646 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,880 Speaker 2: families for the loss. And there needs to be responsibility 647 00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 2: on a whole nother level. Let's not wait for another 648 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:05,360 Speaker 2: tragedy to do what is right. And someone, my mentor 649 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,399 Speaker 2: said this to me. He said, helping hands do more 650 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:12,360 Speaker 2: than praying lips, And I said wow, because faith without 651 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,400 Speaker 2: works is dead. So you can pray for me, but 652 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 2: I also want your works to prove what you're saying 653 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:21,320 Speaker 2: with your mouth. 654 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,440 Speaker 1: That's a beautiful message under you aren't going to leave 655 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 1: that