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Speaker 1: So what's the latest on.

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Speaker 2: The NBA Getting ESPN fifteen thirty from iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Look at the Nicks our NBA cop chapions. Winners go first,

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Speaker 1: Winners go first on this show. Sorry, sorry, all right, I.

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Speaker 3: Don't have time to milk this because we got to

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Speaker 3: get to a Joe Burrow press conference in ten minutes.

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Speaker 3: But Tarren, thank you very much for humoring me. I

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Speaker 3: an eagle on Amazon Prime last night. My team wins

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Speaker 3: a championship. My team wins a championship. No betner will

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Speaker 3: be hung. Merch has been purchased. Nicks win. Things are

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Speaker 3: going really well for the New York Knicks. They're going

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Speaker 3: very poorly for the Cincinnati Bengals and Zach Taylor today

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Speaker 3: just a short while ago, chose to make them worse.

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Speaker 3: You'll hear it in just a second.

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Speaker 3: hear Joe Burrow's press conference in its entirety, coming up

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Speaker 3: in less than ten minutes. This is a snippet from

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Speaker 3: earlier today, So yesterday, Paul Danner Junior wrote the piece

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Speaker 3: that centered around the very strong suggestion that Zach Taylor's

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Speaker 3: job is safe. Duke Tobin's job is probably safe, Al

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Speaker 3: Golden's job is probably safe. And not only Zach Taylor's

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Speaker 3: job is probably safe, but he's actually got one more

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Speaker 3: year on his contract extension that I think a lot

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Speaker 3: of people believed. So he's got twenty twenty six and

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty seven. So Zach, as you might understand, was

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Speaker 3: asked about that today. Here is just under two minutes

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Speaker 3: of Zach being engaged in an exchange with reporters about

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Speaker 3: his contract earlier this afternoon, that.

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Speaker 4: Your contract with the Bengals goes through twenty twenty seven.

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Speaker 5: Can you confirm if.

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Speaker 4: That's true, and if so, the organization decided not to

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Speaker 4: announce it. Do you know why the team decided not

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Speaker 4: to announce it a year after they announce.

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Speaker 6: I don't think it run matters.

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Speaker 7: I coach every day like it's my last, and I've

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Speaker 7: been through years in twenty nineteen, twenty twenty that were

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Speaker 7: literally you coach every game thinking it could be.

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Speaker 6: Your last game.

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Speaker 7: And have seen how we responded after that twenty one,

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Speaker 7: twenty two competing for division titles and championships, and so

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Speaker 7: this year is no different for me. It's going through

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Speaker 7: adversity coaching every game in this profession like it could

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Speaker 7: be your last one. I have a lot of confidence

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Speaker 7: in our staff that we're gonna get this turned around

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Speaker 7: and we're going to finish the season really strong and

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Speaker 7: put together a great plan to get back to those

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Speaker 7: championships I mentioned, so very confident that we can.

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Speaker 8: Do all that, though it is through twenty twenty seven.

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Speaker 7: I'm not going to respond to that. I just told

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Speaker 7: you I coach every day like it's my last one.

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Speaker 9: When you don't get a chance to talk to ownership

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Speaker 9: or we don't get that opportunity, what kind of assurances.

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Speaker 6: Have you been given from We just talk every week.

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Speaker 5: Every week you've talked about your contractor.

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Speaker 6: Every week we talk about everything.

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Speaker 7: Well, time we spoke about your contract, and that's not

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Speaker 7: really part of our conversation.

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Speaker 6: It's every week.

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Speaker 7: We're just trying to create together a great plan to

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Speaker 7: win football games and make sure our team's ready to go,

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Speaker 7: make sure I'm ready to go. So I know that's

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Speaker 7: of curiosity to you guys, but we're just focused on

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Speaker 9: To say that's reassessed after the season every year. Ask them, Yeah,

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Speaker 9: we don't get that chance.

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Speaker 6: Okay, Well I'm sorry, Okay.

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Speaker 10: I'm just being straightforward that we would ask them, but

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Speaker 10: we don't get that.

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Speaker 3: There's Zach Taylor earlier today, little little Marvin Lewis to

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Speaker 3: that whole thing, and you know, the the audio doesn't

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Speaker 3: chatting with reporters earlier today. A few things about this,

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Speaker 1: We can on time. Today.

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Speaker 3: We have a long Joe Burrow press conference in just

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Speaker 3: a few minutes. Things are really bad for the Cincinnati

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Speaker 3: a third straight year. The quarterback has a problem. I

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Speaker 3: don't know what the problem is. I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: Or his coach. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Things ain't good right now. When it comes to Joe Burrow,

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Speaker 3: things aren't good between the Bengals and their fans. They

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Speaker 3: You have players on other teams taking shots at the Bengals.

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Speaker 3: You have former Bengals taking shots at the Bengals. You

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Speaker 3: have folks on national platforms taking shots at the Bengals.

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Speaker 3: You have pissed off fans. I have gotten since that

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Speaker 3: I'm done. Things aren't good. Things aren't good for a

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Speaker 3: the fact that the team is four and ten and

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Speaker 3: not going to be in the playoffs for a third

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Speaker 3: consecutive year. If you're Zach Taylor, why make things worse?

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Speaker 3: Why continue to dig a hole? Why not just handle

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Speaker 3: those questions very simply by going, yeah, you know what.

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Speaker 3: We didn't make a big deal about it when it

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Speaker 3: un a contract for two more years. I hope to

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Speaker 3: my focus is on Sunday, finishing the season and getting

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Speaker 3: us back to a point where we're competing for championships instead.

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Speaker 3: You got what you got there? Like, did that help?

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Speaker 3: Maybe it doesn't matter to Zach Taylor. Maybe it doesn't

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Speaker 3: matter to you. Was that at all helpful? Did that

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Speaker 3: doesn't care enough to simply say, yeah, you know what.

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Speaker 3: We did the deal after the AFC Championship game. For

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Speaker 3: a lot of different reasons, we didn't make a big

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Speaker 3: and god, I love to stay here for a much, much,

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Speaker 3: make that happen. Hey, let's talk about the Dolphins instead

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Speaker 3: ask ownership when you know, damn well, ownership's not going

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Speaker 1: Like that.

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Speaker 3: That just makes it that just everybody's got a bad

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Speaker 3: That made a bad taste slightly worse? Why what's the point?

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Speaker 3: What good was done? What is the harm? And just hey, look,

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Speaker 3: yeah under contract?

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Speaker 1: Two more years?

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Speaker 3: Can we not really comfortable talking about my contract? But yeh,

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Speaker 3: it's two more years? Can we talk about the Dolphins?

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Speaker 3: And I would imagine most would say, okay, fine, why

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Speaker 3: make things worse when they're.

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Speaker 1: Already really really bad. You'll hear Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 12: Next Cincinnati's ESPN.

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Speaker 3: Nineteen after three. Now for the unending barrel of laughs.

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Speaker 3: That is a Joe Burrow press conference on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 13: I think a lot of things went into it first

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Speaker 13: and foremost just mistakes by me.

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Speaker 14: But there are a lot of things.

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Speaker 15: I are playing in the last three weeks so important,

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Speaker 14: Even though you guys are reliminating. I like playing football.

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Speaker 13: For the same reasons that I wanted to push to

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Speaker 14: It feels like.

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Speaker 13: Everything everybody's trying to kind of do everything in their

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Speaker 14: I just want to play ball.

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Speaker 15: Speculation after last week, just in general, about your comments

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Speaker 14: Anyone ever thought about that?

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Speaker 13: I mean, you you think about it, but you think

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Speaker 13: about a lot of different things and in your life,

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Speaker 13: just like everybody does. You think about all different possibilities

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Speaker 13: that could happen. I'm gonna be playing for a long time.

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Speaker 13: I expect to play for a long time, and I

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Speaker 6: Is anybody in the building trying to get you to

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Speaker 5: What's it like here? And your fans are like, we'd

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Speaker 16: How frustrating is it to hear that given all the

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Speaker 16: work that you put in, and it's your reaction with

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Speaker 14: It's just noise to me.

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Speaker 13: Obviously, fans are going to have their opinions about what

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Speaker 13: and that's why we get paid so much, because fans

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Speaker 13: that's part of it. That's something that you have to

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Speaker 13: number one, embrace. Number two take with a grain of

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Speaker 13: salt a lot, but this comes with the territory.

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Speaker 17: Fans have their opinions, Joe, but you have your opinion,

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Speaker 17: and obviously yours carry is a lot more weight in

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Speaker 17: probably be here for the next two seasons, probably not

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Speaker 5: The front office.

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Speaker 9: our standard. How do you come to grips with those

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Speaker 14: Number one, I think I think we have great coaches.

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Speaker 13: I think we're consistently put in good positions to make

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Speaker 13: bad games, just like players have good games in bad games.

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Speaker 13: But I have a lot of confidence and and everybody

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Speaker 14: That's not to say that.

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Speaker 13: Changes don't need need to be made. I'm not saying

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Speaker 13: you know, we have to think outside the boxing to

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Speaker 4: Do you think that from your conversations in years past

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Speaker 4: with Ownership and dug in Sack that the organization would

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Speaker 4: it for what it is in terms of change might

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Speaker 14: Yeah, we all we all want to win.

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Speaker 13: We all want to do whatever it takes to win,

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Speaker 3: It as the Bengals, and we have to talk about

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Speaker 3: You're opening up Big East play tonight with a home

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Speaker 1: Tim's off at seven o'clock.

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Speaker 3: It's Teddy Bear a toss night, So bring a Teddy Bear,

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Speaker 3: throw it on the floor, and if you throw it

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Speaker 3: you'll win tickets to another upcoming NKU game.

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Speaker 1: That'd be kind of cool, cool promotion.

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Speaker 25: Hi, Rick, No, I'm not sure if that's exactly how

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Speaker 3: But yeah, thank you, it's nice to have you. Nonetheless,

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Speaker 3: I'll double check. I thought that was in the press release,

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Speaker 3: but I might have read it incorrectly. Xavier starts Big

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Speaker 3: East plate tonight. They play twenty conference games. If I

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Speaker 3: set the over under for conference wins at seven and

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Speaker 3: a half, will you go over or under?

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Speaker 25: I'll be honest, I have no idea.

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Speaker 1: I said, you keep cutting out.

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Speaker 3: Oh well, let's try it again. Xavier plays twenty Big

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Speaker 3: East games, as you know, starting tonight a home game

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Speaker 3: against Creighton. If I set the over under for conference

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Speaker 3: win for the Musketeers at seven and a half, will

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Speaker 3: you go over or under?

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Speaker 25: I was definitely under when the season started. I was

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Speaker 25: definitely under when we got to you know, the the

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Speaker 25: first four or five games out of the way, sitting here. Now,

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Speaker 25: that's a really good line. I think they'll stay it under.

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Speaker 25: I think six or seven is where I would probably

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Speaker 25: put them.

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Speaker 3: All right, how many of those games? You know, Connecticut's awesome,

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Speaker 3: I think Sant John's is still really good. I haven't

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Speaker 3: really watched Seaton Hall. How many of those games in

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Speaker 3: the Big East are fifty to fifty and is tonight

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Speaker 3: one of them?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 25: I think that's a kind of a good way to

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Speaker 25: look at the conference now. I mean, when you look

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Speaker 25: at what Xavier's been able to do in the non

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Speaker 25: cop and slate, they don't have add Water Quad two

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Speaker 25: win yet, but you do have the Cincinnati and West

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Speaker 25: Virginia games that are top seventy five ish in the country.

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Speaker 25: Both of those teams were somewhere between seventy and eighty

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Speaker 25: in terms of their ken Pom ranking. And when you

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Speaker 25: look at the Big East, the big teams that are

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Speaker 25: kind of around that same range or farther back. And

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Speaker 25: so if in factor those five teams you play ten

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Speaker 25: games against them, I think it's reasonable to expect Xavier

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Speaker 25: to do five hundred or maybe even slightly better against

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Speaker 25: those teams. So that's where I get to the first

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Speaker 25: five or six wins, and then you know, if you

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Speaker 25: can scratch out one or two wins against the top

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Speaker 25: teams in the conference. And there's top teams, you know,

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Speaker 25: that would also include like a Villanova. Can you beat

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Speaker 25: Villanova at home? I think that's possible. So yeah, I

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Speaker 25: think there's definitely a path for Xavier to get to six, seven, eight,

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Speaker 25: maybe even more wins than that, which is definitely much

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Speaker 25: different than where we started to see.

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Speaker 1: Usually Creighton's really good, now they're not.

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Speaker 25: Why well, I think one thing is that everyone in

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Speaker 25: the Big East had the same problem that Zavier did

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Speaker 25: this year for the most part, aside from Yukon and

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Speaker 25: Saint John's which is being bankrolled by you know, the

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Speaker 25: coaches billionaire friend, all of these teams really struggled to

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Speaker 25: compete in the nil era this year with the transfer

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Speaker 25: pointal and so I think this year was very unique

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Speaker 25: for the reason that we've talked about many times on

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Speaker 25: this show. I don't think it will be that way

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Speaker 25: all the time going forward, necessarily, but I think you've

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Speaker 25: seen that with the lack of talent across the board

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Speaker 25: in the Big East, and Creton is one of those

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Speaker 25: teams that was hit with that if you missed on

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Speaker 25: one or two of your top guys they didn't turn

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Speaker 25: out to be the types of players that you thought

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Speaker 25: they'd be, then you're going to struggle a little bit.

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Speaker 25: I think that's something we've talked about with Xavier, and

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Speaker 25: it's definitely something that Creton's dealing with. The Other thing is,

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Speaker 25: you know, they had a pretty darn good team the

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Speaker 25: last few seasons, and it was anchored by Ryan Kolkbrenner,

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Speaker 25: who was there for seventeen years, and he's not there anymore.

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Speaker 25: So they're having to still try to play that same

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Speaker 25: style but tweak it a little bit because you don't

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Speaker 25: have a unique seven foot shot blocker anchoring your defense

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Speaker 25: and anchoring your offense inside. So it's definitely been an

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Speaker 25: adjustment period from that for respective as well.

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Speaker 3: NKU goes into tonight having won eight out of nine

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Speaker 3: and the one loss, you know, they lose by two

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Speaker 3: on the road to Purdue Fort Wayne. You and I

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Speaker 3: talked about that they were playing great for the first

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Speaker 3: half and then kind of melted down in the second half.

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Speaker 3: They have the best combined record through two games of

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Speaker 3: league play along with all the non conference games at

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Speaker 3: nine and three. In the Horizon League, would you consider

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Speaker 3: them favorites to win the conference regular season title?

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Speaker 25: No, I don't think that that'd be fair to say.

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Speaker 25: I mean, when you look at the conference this year,

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Speaker 25: you have really four or five teams that are all

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Speaker 25: ranked at least at where NKU is or better in

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Speaker 25: the current ken Pom rankings. Their overall records may not

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Speaker 25: reflect that, but everyone plays such a different non conference schedule.

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Speaker 25: If you look at Oakland, for instance, I mean, you know,

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Speaker 25: three or four of their games were against teams that

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Speaker 25: are ranked nationally and were games they were never going

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Speaker 25: to be competitive in for the most part, so it's

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Speaker 25: not a surprise to see their record where it is.

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Speaker 25: This is one of those teams Oakland that has a

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Speaker 25: chance to compete for the Horizon League title this year,

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Speaker 25: along with NK You they were picked second in the

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Speaker 25: preseason polls. I think Youngstown State, Robert Morris, Wright State,

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Speaker 25: all of those teams are going to be buying for

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Speaker 25: a conference title this year. And the really interesting part

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Speaker 25: about the league is going in there doesn't appear to

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Speaker 25: be a clear cut favorite by any stretch of the imagination.

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Speaker 25: I mean, any of those teams that I just named,

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Speaker 25: if you told me that they were going to emerge

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Speaker 25: midway through the conference season is the best. It would

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Speaker 25: not surprise me one day.

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Speaker 1: N K you and Oakland.

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Speaker 3: Tonight at seven o'clock, it's a Teddy Bear toss night.

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Speaker 3: The Norris are playing really well. They're fun to watch

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Speaker 3: and you can help out kids in the process. Tonight

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Speaker 3: it's a toy drive as well. If you can't be

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Speaker 3: there in person, you can listen to Rick and Jim

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Speaker 3: on Fox Sports thirteen sixty. It's always a pleasure. I

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Speaker 3: don't have a show next Wednesday or the Wednesday after that.

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Speaker 3: So thanks for everything this year, and I'll bother you

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Speaker 3: often in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 14: Get wait for it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Rick Boring.

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Speaker 3: By the way, don't throw Teddy bears at Rick if

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Speaker 3: you go to the NKU game tonight. Meanwhile, Xavier creating

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Speaker 3: fifty five KR see the Bearcats are playing Alabama State

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Speaker 3: on seven hundred WLW. We'll get to them and the

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Speaker 3: return of Jisel James coming up, plus more on Zach

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Speaker 3: Taylor and not talking about his contract and failing in

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Speaker 3: his job as team spokesperson coming up on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 1: All afternoon.

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Speaker 3: It just really quick, I'll buy like eight cases of

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Speaker 3: downy rintz if instead of hearing that commercials forty eight

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're basking in the glow.

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Speaker 3: This is the first time I've ever had a chance

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Speaker 3: to do the show the day after my team wins

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Speaker 3: a championship. Congratulations to me, Chad Brendle in just about

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Speaker 1: So Zach Taylor, we're.

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Speaker 3: losing by twenty two points. Stormed all the way back

667
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 3: nearly one and it is the first time in my

668
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 3: life I have actively rooted against the Cincinnati Bengals, actively

669
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 3: rooted against him because the prize was Joe Burrow.

670
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 14: Uh.

671
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 3: I don't think it's fair to ask a coach about

672
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 3: the upside to his team losing, but there's upside of

673
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 3: the Bengals losing.

674
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: I think tanking.

675
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 3: I think tank talk is the most overblown and overrated

676
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 3: thing in sports because coaches and players don't tank.

677
00:36:55,280 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: They care too much. They're competitive people, they care too much.

678
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 3: Tanking is fun to talk about in the NFL Monday

679
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 3: through Saturday, it's not really a part of reality on Sundays.

680
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 3: If you're a Bengals fan, are you rooting for your

681
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,399
Speaker 3: favorite team to lose these last three games? I've given

682
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 3: you three options, A yes, B, no, or C. I'm

683
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 3: not a Bengals fan. Fifty three point eight percent of

684
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 3: you say you're rooting against the Bengals these last three games.

685
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 3: I understand, I understand. I don't know if I'm gonna

686
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 3: do that.

687
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 24: Uh.

688
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm wired that way, but I

689
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 1: know many are. And that's okay.

690
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,439
Speaker 3: We started the show by talking about Zach Taylor, who

691
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 3: was reluctant, and that's putting it mildly, basically refused to

692
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 3: answer questions about his contract status. Paul Dayner, junior head

693
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 3: and his piece yesterday that came out at the Athletic

694
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 3: dot Com, which frankly, we should have talked about a

695
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 3: little bit more when Paul was with me. But the

696
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 3: nugget that I think a lot of people, for a

697
00:37:58,239 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 3: lot of people, was eye opening was the fact that

698
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 3: it's Zach Taylor is not going to be a lame

699
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 3: duck coach in twenty twenty six and instead actually has

700
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:05,439
Speaker 3: a deal for twenty twenty seven.

701
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,240
Speaker 1: Zach did not want to talk about.

702
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 3: It, and look, I can't recall many instances where an

703
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 3: NFL head coach has talked about his contract status. Now

704
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,399
Speaker 3: they're often asked about, Hey, are you worried about your job?

705
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 3: Do you feel like you're on the hot seat? Do

706
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 3: you think you're coaching for your job? But I can't

707
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 3: really recall that many instances. In fact, I can't recall

708
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 3: any instances or another NFL coach. I'm sure it's happened,

709
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 3: but we're a coach. An NFL coach was answering questions

710
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 3: about how many years were left on his contract, and.

711
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:44,240
Speaker 1: So there is a big, big, big part.

712
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 3: Of me that doesn't expect Zach Taylor, who's an NFL

713
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 3: head coach, to say all that much about his contract status.

714
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:57,760
Speaker 3: Like I understand that. The problem, though, is Zach Taylor

715
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 3: isn't an ordinary NFL head coach. He is also basically

716
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 3: the franchise his spokesperson, and by the way, he's having

717
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 3: a hard enough time serving in the role as coach

718
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 3: that to ask him to be the spokesperson for the

719
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 3: franchise is unfair. This is something we've talked about before,

720
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 3: you know, during the bye week, when this thing was

721
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 3: really starting to spire a out of control, and the issue,

722
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 3: I think for most of us was more personnel than

723
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 3: how the personnel was being used, and a lot of folks,

724
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,919
Speaker 3: myself included, wondered, Hey, wouldn't this be a good time

725
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 3: for Duke Tobin to answer some questions. It's a bye week.

726
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 3: Duke's players, the players he added to this roster, the

727
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 3: players he chose to keep on the roster haven't been

728
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 3: very good. The team is underperforming. And my take was,

729
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 3: if I'm Duke Tobin, just as a human being I'm

730
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 3: gonna go you know what, I'm not gonna make Zach

731
00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 3: have to answer questions that I am gonna am unresponsible for.

732
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna go downstairs and guess you know, schedule

733
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 3: a press conference, meet with the reporters, go to the

734
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 3: interview room, and there I am ask away. Might not

735
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 3: give great answers, but but here I am. Instead of

736
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 3: making Zach Taylor answer questions about stuff he's not as

737
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 3: responsible for as I am, I'll do it. That was

738
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 3: my take during the bye week. The reality, though, is

739
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 3: Zach Taylor has spokesperson responsibilities, ownership, doesn't talk. Duke Tobin

740
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 3: doesn't talk. Zach Taylor is the only person in the

741
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 3: Begels organization who has press conferences three times a week

742
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 3: and has to answer questions about everything, including obviously stuff

743
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:50,760
Speaker 3: he's responsible for play calling, game management, strategy, personnel usage.

744
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 3: But he's also going to answer questions about well, how

745
00:40:54,160 --> 00:41:00,720
Speaker 3: the roster was built, the draft holdouts, contract to goiations,

746
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 3: contract squabbles.

747
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: He's the only.

748
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 3: Person that ever answers any questions he's obligated to, and

749
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 3: by the way, for the most part, he gainly doesn't.

750
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 3: I'm surprised they didn't make Zach Taylor answer questions about

751
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 3: the snow not being removed from the.

752
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:16,240
Speaker 1: Seats on Sunday.

753
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:21,439
Speaker 3: So the problem is this, Zach Taylor said today when

754
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 3: asked about the contract for twenty twenty seven, he goes, look,

755
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 3: talk to ownership, and on a normally functioning team, that

756
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:33,439
Speaker 3: would be okay, Hey, look, that's a question for my bosses. Okay, cool,

757
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 3: one of your bosses gonna talk. The problem is Zach

758
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 3: Taylor's boss has never talked, and he knows that, so

759
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 3: he comes off as smug and dismissive when he says

760
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 3: talk to ownership. And I think it was Mike Petrellia

761
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 3: who said to him, I think twice today, Well we

762
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 3: don't get to talk to ownership. They're not made available.

763
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 3: There's no press conference on paraphrasing Mike, and Zach was like, okay,

764
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 3: kind of had that, you know, doofy little smirk on

765
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 3: his face, Marvin Lewis esque smirk on his face. Well, dude, unfortunately,

766
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 3: you're the team spokesperson. So it's not the same if

767
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 3: you're the coach of a normal team where the GM,

768
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 3: the de facto GM at least speaks on a somewhat

769
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 3: regular basis, or ownership is made available, or people in

770
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 3: front office decision making capacities are made available. Yeah, you

771
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 3: could take a question like that and kick it upstairs.

772
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 3: But was Zach Taylor? You have to answer questions about

773
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 3: everything because you're the team spokesperson. So as team spokesperson, yeah,

774
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 3: you should say, well, yeah, the contract is for two years,

775
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 3: and uh, you know, I hope I'm here for the

776
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 3: next fifteen years. I'd love to carve out a legacy here.

777
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 3: I'd love to be the coach of the Bengals for

778
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 3: the rest of my career. And yeah, that's all I

779
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 3: really want to say about it, instead of sounding like

780
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 3: he did today, which was little standoffish, little defensive, little

781
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 3: dismissive and then at the end kind of smug.

782
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, really, you can't talk to ownership. Gee didn't

783
00:42:59,800 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: know that.

784
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 3: Of course he knows that. Of course he knows that.

785
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 3: This is why the head coach can't be the only spokesperson.

786
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 3: This is why you gotta make ownership available. This is why,

787
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 3: at the very least you got to make Duke Tobin available,

788
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 3: not every single week, occasionally though more than once at

789
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 3: the combine and then at the mock turtle soup thing.

790
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 3: Because Zach is right, that is a question for ownership.

791
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 3: You know that is a Zach is in charge of

792
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 3: answering questions about things that are under his umbrella. The

793
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 3: head coach's contract is under the owner's umbrella. But in

794
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 3: the absence of ownership speaking, and in the absence of

795
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 3: Duke Tobin speaking, you're stuck with team spokesperson.

796
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: Zach Taylor.

797
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 3: The guy has a hard enough time coaching his team.

798
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 3: He has a hard enough time telling Joe Burrow, hey,

799
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 3: can you put your foot on the gas, We're down

800
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 3: by seventeen points in the fourth quarter.

801
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: Is a hard enough time doing that.

802
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 3: He has a hard enough time figuring out when to

803
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 3: call timeouts and throw challenge flags. He has a hard

804
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,919
Speaker 3: enough time figuring out do we do the thing we

805
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 3: try to draw the other team's defense off sides? That

806
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 3: job is really hard. You're asking him to be press secretary.

807
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 3: The problem today wasn't Zach Taylor the head coach, although

808
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 3: I do think it would have been very easy for

809
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 3: him to go, yeah, it's through twenty twenty seven. We

810
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 3: didn't want to make a big deal about it when

811
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 3: I signed the contract extension, and by.

812
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: The way, I believe that was the case.

813
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 3: I believe that at the end of the twenty twenty

814
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 3: two season, which is when they lost to the Chiefs

815
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 3: in the AFC Championship Game, my guess is Zach said, hey,

816
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 3: look we just lost. It's been along two years. I

817
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 3: want to get out of town. I don't want to

818
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 3: deal with questions about my contract. I don't feel like

819
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 3: being bothered by people. I just want to go and

820
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 3: spend time with my family and don't worry about announcing it.

821
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:42,800
Speaker 1: And that's fine.

822
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 3: But today there would have been no harm in saying, yeah,

823
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 3: it's two more years, happy to be here. Hope it

824
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 3: goes longer than two years. I need to earn that.

825
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 3: Let's beat the Dolphins and then let's get started on

826
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 3: next year. Okay, cool, done. Instead it becomes a whole

827
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 3: big thing. This is why the coach can't be the

828
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 3: only spokesperson. Unfortunately, when you're the coach of the Bengals,

829
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:09,879
Speaker 3: you have to wear that hat too, team spokesperson. The

830
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 3: only thing that was missing today, or I guess on Monday,

831
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:18,240
Speaker 3: when Zach also spoke, were questions about the snow. Sixteen

832
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 3: minutes after four o'clock, uh Gizzle James is back for

833
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 3: U see specifically what went down between Jizzle and his

834
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 3: teammates or what made the school or the coaching staff

835
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 3: decide the Jizzle's got to go away. There's been lots

836
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 3: of conjecture online. I'll let that sort of unfold online.

837
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 3: I don't know. I also don't know how much of

838
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,760
Speaker 3: a difference he's going to make. This team has issues.

839
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 3: They've got major offensive issues, and the schedule in the

840
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 3: coming weeks is also going to be an issue. Let's

841
00:45:57,840 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 3: assume they win tonight, they have to go to Clemson.

842
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 3: It's not a true road game, it's a neutral slight,

843
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 3: but it's a game in South Carolina against Clemson, and

844
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 3: then one more by game and then the Big Twelve.

845
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 3: I don't know what their offensive issues and their schedule

846
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 3: and the four losses they already have that Gisel James

847
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 3: is going to be enough of a difference maker to

848
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:21,959
Speaker 3: take this season and completely change its trajectory. And look,

849
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 3: Gisel last year as a sophomore was not what I

850
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 3: thought he would be when I was watching him as

851
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 3: a freshman. But if he has done the things that

852
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 3: have been asked of him, and if he is in

853
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 3: a good place, and his life off the floor. I

854
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 3: see no way that his addition can hurt the team.

855
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 3: May not help it all that much. I've seen some

856
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 3: suggest well, he could really throw off the chemistry. I've

857
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 3: watched every minute of this team this season. There is

858
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 3: no chemistry.

859
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 1: He's going to disrupt the chemistry, okay with who like?

860
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,280
Speaker 3: How does that get broken up? How does it get fractured?

861
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 3: It doesn't exist, by the way, it's worth pointing out,

862
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 3: and many many have very fairly adjustifiably so. Pointed to

863
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 3: the number of players who have left UC from last

864
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 3: year's team and gone on to play at high majors,

865
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 3: and some have had, you know, contributions this year. Some

866
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 3: have had really good games.

867
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: That's cool.

868
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,280
Speaker 3: They had some talented players. It is completely fair to wonder,

869
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 3: as I have, why did it not work with a

870
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 3: bunch of players that individually seem to be pretty good.

871
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 3: But among all those players, Gisel James led the team

872
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 3: in scoring last year. By the way, if I would

873
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 3: have said, I don't know last week, the Bearcats can

874
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:44,320
Speaker 3: get a guy starting in mid December who last season

875
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 3: playing in the Big twelve, averaged sixteen and a half

876
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 3: points over his final thirteen games. Who would have said

877
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 3: no to that. That's what Gisel James did. And by

878
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 3: the way, just for what it's worth, is Wes Miller

879
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:56,399
Speaker 3: acting out of desperation here?

880
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: Maybe?

881
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Speaker 3: And by the way, why wouldn't he be. It's a

882
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Speaker 3: make or break year. It's year five, his team has

883
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 3: lost four games and the Big twelve is coming. I

884
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 3: would be desperate too. I've been a fan of this program,

885
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,399
Speaker 3: a diehard fan of this program for a very, very,

886
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Speaker 3: very long time.

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Speaker 1: I can't even.

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Speaker 3: Begin to tell you how much time over the course

889
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 3: of those thirty five years, we have been wondering if

890
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 3: a player who is told to leave the team is

891
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 3: coming back, and then that player eventually comes back. Could

892
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 3: be for academics, could be because of a legal issue,

893
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 3: could be a violation of team rules. There have been

894
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 3: players who have just decided I'm leaving, and then they

895
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 3: decide they want to come back. There have been issues

896
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Speaker 3: that players have had with certain teammates. By the way,

897
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Speaker 3: this isn't just the Bearcats. There's a long list of

898
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Speaker 3: players who have been told to leave and then are

899
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Speaker 3: welcome back. This team desperately needs a spark. I do

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Speaker 3: not know if Gisel can give it to them, but

901
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Speaker 3: I also do not know where else the spark is

902
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Speaker 3: supposed to come from, So welcome back Jisel, Chad Brendel

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Speaker 3: and the Bearcats.

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Speaker 1: All right, Chad Brendel's with us.

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Speaker 3: I think he's hosting this show tomorrow because I am

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Speaker 3: off fair Cat Journal dot Com. Jizsel James is back

922
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Speaker 3: with the UC basketball team. Men's basketball team. They play

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Speaker 3: Alabama State tonight.

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Speaker 1: Hi, Chad.

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Speaker 26: Him, how you doing.

926
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Speaker 3: I'm well, there's a lot going on. Jizsel James has returned.

927
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Speaker 3: It felt like that was not going to be the

928
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Speaker 3: case as recently as a few weeks ago.

929
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Speaker 1: So what changed.

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Speaker 26: A few weeks ago? They weren't six and four. I mean,

931
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Speaker 26: you know, like there are some some things that played

932
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Speaker 26: into it. Jalen Haynes is out, Jalen Celestine is dealing

933
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Speaker 26: dealing with the back injury. Tyler McKinley is dealing with

934
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Speaker 26: the knee injury. Like those two aren't. The guys are out,

935
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Speaker 26: but they are limited. It has cost them time and games.

936
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Speaker 26: You need bodies, You need guys you can count on

937
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Speaker 26: that can play at a high major level. Gisel's a

938
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Speaker 26: guy that can play at a high major level. He

939
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Speaker 26: was in your program. Here it is, let's see what

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Speaker 26: it looks like. I guess uh.

941
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Speaker 3: Some have wondered, is he gonna disrupt team chemistry? My

942
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Speaker 3: counter to that is what chemistry? Is that a fair

943
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Speaker 3: way of looking at it?

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Speaker 26: Yeah, do you think this team's that? If you've watched

945
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Speaker 26: this team? It thought, Man, the synergy on this team

946
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Speaker 26: is outstanding.

947
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Speaker 14: Like.

948
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Speaker 26: You've watched the Bengals and the Reds for too long,

949
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Speaker 26: So it's it's if that's your main concern, then yeah,

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Speaker 26: bring Gisel James back. Like they're not playing well, they're

951
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Speaker 26: they're not handling adversity well. They play well in short stretches.

952
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Speaker 26: Then it falls apart, and then you wonder how long

953
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Speaker 26: it's gonna take to get it back, if they get

954
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Speaker 26: it back. I mean, you know, the Georgia n. Louisville

955
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Speaker 26: games both had the same script. They started really well,

956
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Speaker 26: they look cohesive, they looked really good, and then as

957
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Speaker 26: soon as they got punched in the mouth, they went

958
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Speaker 26: all right, well, I guess we got Alabama State on Wednesday.

959
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:05,399
Speaker 26: Like that, he's gonna mess that up.

960
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:10,840
Speaker 3: Oh how prominent a role do you expect him to

961
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Speaker 3: have in Wes's rotation?

962
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Speaker 26: I would imagine pretty small tonight, just to get him

963
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 26: back out on the floor, you know, I think you

964
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Speaker 26: want to ease him into it. He hasn't been practicing

965
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Speaker 26: for long. He's really only been back in town about

966
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Speaker 26: a month. He's been practicing for a couple of weeks. Like,

967
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Speaker 26: I don't think he's gonna be at peak performance tonight,

968
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Speaker 26: So I could see a couple of rotations, eight twelve minutes,

969
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Speaker 26: maybe fifteen if he's playing well. That's a different answer

970
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Speaker 26: if you ask me how much he's gonna play on

971
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Speaker 26: Sunday versus Clemson, because you're probably gonna need him if

972
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Speaker 26: you got any chance to beat Clemson more than eight

973
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Speaker 26: to twelve minutes.

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Speaker 3: If this team is nine and one, as Gisel James

975
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Speaker 3: playing for the bear Cats tonight.

976
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Speaker 26: My instinct says probably not. Like if the only loss

977
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Speaker 26: is Louisville and a game that you played really well,

978
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Speaker 26: and you know, a top ten, fifteen team whatever it is, OUTLASTU.

979
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Speaker 26: I don't think you feel like you need to break

980
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 26: glass in case of emergency, right, Like? Is that what

981
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 26: this feels like? Break glass in case of emergency? You

982
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 26: mentioned something that I just wanted to expand on a

983
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Speaker 26: little bit, like wes Miller's jobs on the line, and

984
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Speaker 26: then to put that in numerical terms, wes Miller's multi

985
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Speaker 26: million dollar job is on the line. If I had

986
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Speaker 26: a multi million dollar job and I had an emergency,

987
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Speaker 26: I would break class. I think we all would. That's

988
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Speaker 26: what it feels like is happening here, So you know,

989
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 26: I don't necessarily fault him for it. I might not

990
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 26: agree with it, but things are dire right now. This

991
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 26: team needs a bleeping miracle to make the ncublea tournament,

992
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 26: and making the NC doublea tournament felt like what needed

993
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 26: to happen for West to continue on here. So the

994
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 26: glass is broken, We're in the emergency. Let's see how

995
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Speaker 26: it goes.

996
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 3: So acknowledging that they are breaking the glass because this

997
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 3: is an emergency, and also acknowledging that from a basketball perspective,

998
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Speaker 3: last season, and I said this to you months ago,

999
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 3: Gizsel left a little bit to be desired. But it's

1000
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Speaker 3: interesting because a lot of players from last year's team

1001
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 3: have left gone to play for other programs, high major programs,

1002
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 3: and they're contributing. And so that is a common lament

1003
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 3: that along with this frankly awful start to the season,

1004
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:47,439
Speaker 3: you're watching all of these players go and succeed elsewhere. Well,

1005
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 3: among all those players, Gisel James led him in scoring

1006
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 3: last season. He averaged sixteen and a half over the

1007
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 3: last thirteen games of the year. He wasn't great by

1008
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Speaker 3: any stretch. Maybe he wasn't the most efficient player, maybe

1009
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 3: dribbled a little bit too much, but he's not a nothing.

1010
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 3: So if I would have said on Monday morning, look,

1011
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 3: this team is going to get a guy who led

1012
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 3: a Big twelve team in scoring and averaged sixteen plus

1013
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 3: over the last thirteen games of the season last year,

1014
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Speaker 3: would you want him back? Regardless of position, most would

1015
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 3: say yes.

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Speaker 26: I agree. The only thing I would at least make

1017
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 26: a dendum to the guys that left are essentially the

1018
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:28,879
Speaker 26: same players they were when they were here. I don't

1019
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 26: other than maybe Arrington Page, but like, if you watch

1020
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 26: Dan Skillings play, looks just like Dan Skillings. But yes,

1021
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 26: Sizzel was the leading scorer on a team with a

1022
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 26: bunch of high major dudes on it. So you're getting

1023
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 26: a guy back that can play at the Big twelve level,

1024
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Speaker 26: and this team needs guys that can play at the

1025
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Speaker 26: Big twelve level. So one plus one doesn't equal three

1026
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 26: in this instance, I don't think.

1027
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Speaker 3: Well said, enjoy the show tomorrow. We'll see you tonight,

1028
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 3: see you tonight.

1029
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 26: Now, are yous? The helicopter coming? Is it ready?

1030
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Speaker 3: The helicopter is going to arrive at five fifty and

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Speaker 3: on top of the building here in Kenwood, And I'm

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Speaker 3: told that I will be at fifth Third Arena by

1033
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Speaker 3: ten after six.

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Speaker 26: I'm looking forward to seeing you backwise.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you then.

1036
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:22,799
Speaker 26: Thanks.

1037
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Speaker 3: Chad Brendel, Bearcat Journal dot com. Amy Wagner on sports

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Speaker 3: and money.

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Speaker 3: ESPN fifteen thirty. College Troops Tonight, Jisel James is back

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Speaker 3: for the UC Bearcats. They take on Alabama State at

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Speaker 3: on the Double. Nickel fifty five KRC and NKU battles Oakland.

1067
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Speaker 3: I talked about this a little bit earlier with Rick Browing.

1068
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Speaker 3: I went to see NKU play Cleveland State two weeks ago.

1069
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Speaker 3: They're fun to watch, they're playing well. I don't tell

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Speaker 3: That is a program, however, that deserves more support. They're

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Speaker 3: home tonight at seven on Fox Sports thirteen sixty. The

1073
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Speaker 3: Cyclones hit the road to take on Greenville. The puck

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Speaker 1: Amy, Hi, Hi.

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Speaker 21: I would say I am an expert on any kind

1083
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Speaker 21: of sports when I'm watching it, and.

1084
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Speaker 19: I have big opinions on it.

1085
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Speaker 21: Yeah, feel like the Bengals should have probably called me

1086
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 21: on Sunday and I might have made a few different calls.

1087
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Speaker 1: I would have been okay with that.

1088
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Speaker 19: I think I am an expert, but I'm not so

1089
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Speaker 19: I will leave that to you.

1090
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Speaker 3: You're all excited about Kentucky basketball again because they beat out.

1091
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Speaker 24: One good win.

1092
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Speaker 19: We needed that win.

1093
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Speaker 1: It must be nice. Must be nice. From where that

1094
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Speaker 1: sounds awesome.

1095
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Speaker 19: It's been a while since you've gotten to talk about

1096
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Speaker 19: it winning team.

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Speaker 3: I understand that, you know, I know you don't care.

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00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 3: But I have the NBA Cup champion New York Knicks

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00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 3: in my life.

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00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 19: That's true.

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00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 1: Yes, full disclosure.

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00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 19: I used to call you and complain when you talked

1103
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 19: about the NBA.

1104
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:35,920
Speaker 1: Guess I would think.

1105
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 19: No one here cares about the NBA.

1106
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 21: And now I have a son who's sixteen, who actually,

1107
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 21: you know, all the collegiate players that we've watched for years,

1108
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 21: especially Kentucky, are now in the NBA, and I actually

1109
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 21: very much enjoy it. So I will publicly now say

1110
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:51,919
Speaker 21: all of the time that I gave you a really

1111
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 21: hard time, Now I'm actually on bored.

1112
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 19: And I love when you talk.

1113
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 1: About we have Karl Anthony Towns.

1114
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 19: I love him.

1115
00:59:58,720 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 1: I know, I know.

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01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 19: Oh there you go.

1117
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 3: All right, let's talk about And this was actually not

1118
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 3: the case in the NBA Cup games in Vegas because.

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01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 1: Tickets were pretty cheap.

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Speaker 3: But this is something you and I have talked about,

1121
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 3: and it's something that's really going to hit home for

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01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 3: folks who want to go watch World Cup matches in

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01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 3: the United States. But the increasing cost and this is

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01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 3: never ending and I see no end in sight, but

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01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 3: the increasing cost of being a sports fan and specifically

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01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 3: attending games, well, and I.

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01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 19: Think you have to look at this in two ways.

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Speaker 21: Right, there are professional sports and then there are collegiate sports.

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01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 19: That are now professional.

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01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 21: Supports, right, and so they are struggling with a new

1131
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 21: business model that they're not yet keeping up with, right.

1132
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 21: So we'll get to that in a moment, But let's

1133
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 21: start with the World Cup, right, Because North American World Cup, right,

1134
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 21: So there will be games, you know, Canada, Mexico, US

1135
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 21: are hosting, and then they release ticket prices and everyone's like, well,

1136
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 21: who can actually afford to go to it?

1137
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 19: So there are fans of an English.

1138
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 21: Football club who actually did the math and said, okay,

1139
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 21: if our team were to make it all the way through.

1140
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 19: It would cost us seven thousand.

1141
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 21: Dollars in tickets alone for one person to attend the

1142
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 21: World Cup from beginning to end, obviously exorbitant.

1143
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 19: You add travel costs, food, everything.

1144
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 21: Else on top of that, like sports are who can

1145
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 21: afford those things now? And so the response from FIFA,

1146
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 21: which I thought was interesting, was we will.

1147
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 19: Release some affordable tickets.

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01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 21: There will be sixty dollars tickets available also, maybe a

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01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 21: few hundred of those. It like cons back to Black

1150
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 21: Fridays of past where they're offering a two thousand inch

1151
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 21: TV for twenty two dollars and everyone lines up for

1152
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 21: days to get that and there's actually two of them, right,

1153
01:01:58,920 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 21: Like it's a.

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01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 19: Little bit like that.

1155
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 21: It's like we're saying, we hear you, and we want

1156
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 21: to make these these games affordable for actual fans. And

1157
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 21: the only people who will have access to the more

1158
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 21: affordable tickets are those that those football clubs deem loyal fans.

1159
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:17,120
Speaker 19: So you're not going to get on stub hub and

1160
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 19: find them there.

1161
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 21: You know, you'll get them through your club, but there

1162
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 21: will be a very very small amount.

1163
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 19: Of those tickets that are affordable.

1164
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Speaker 21: And it's a shame. And you know, I think one

1165
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 21: thing you have to think about too, is.

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Speaker 12: The US is trying to grow interest.

1167
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Speaker 21: In this sport here, and so if you're trying to

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01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 21: get win people over to say come to this game,

1169
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 21: we think you're really going to enjoy this. By the way,

1170
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 21: it's two thousand dollars, you know. I mean, that's a

1171
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:46,720
Speaker 21: tough style. So I think.

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Speaker 19: We'll see how this plays out.

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Speaker 21: But when I think about inflation over the past few years,

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01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 21: one of the biggest things that comes to mind is

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01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 21: just sports. I Mean, it was not that long ago

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01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 21: that maybe tickets felt like a little bit of a stretch,

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01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 21: but now they're almost unaffordable.

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01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think you can apply that to entertainment

1179
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 3: as a whole. I guess what gets me is I'm

1180
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:11,439
Speaker 3: driving down seventy five and there was a local professional

1181
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 3: sports franchise that was touting fee free tickets.

1182
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 1: If you buy tickets this week, no fees.

1183
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:22,000
Speaker 3: Why don't you just get rid of the fee entirely right,

1184
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 3: You're telling me the fee isn't necessary. If I buy

1185
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 3: this one time a year, you're not going to give

1186
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 3: me the fee. But the rest of the time, well,

1187
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 3: that fee is really necessary.

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01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 21: They're drawing attention to the fees that most people weren't

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01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 21: paying attention.

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Speaker 3: It's almost my thing, like, just just up front, tell

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01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 3: me what the cost is going to be, tell me

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01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 3: what I'm going to have to pay.

1193
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 1: There was an app.

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01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:42,919
Speaker 3: I went to an NBA playoff game this past May,

1195
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 3: and we bought tickets pseudo last minute. It was Nick's Pacers,

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01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 3: And I don't remember what the app was because my

1197
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 3: buddy got the tickets, but he's like, here's what they are.

1198
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 3: And what I loved about it was it had all

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01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 3: the fees included a little bit easier to swallow. That's

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01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 3: what bothers me. But it's also like you buy the tickets,

1201
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:01,120
Speaker 3: it's the park game, it's them. I mean it just

1202
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 3: I have a daughter and she and I go to

1203
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 3: Reds games, and I think Reds games are, for the

1204
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 3: most part, reasonably affordable. I don't know how families afford

1205
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 3: do it. I don't know how families afford to NFL games.

1206
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 3: I don't have families afford to do NBA games, families

1207
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 3: afford to do college football games.

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Speaker 21: I was actually thinking about the Reds on my way

1209
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 21: to the studio today and the fact that you know,

1210
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 21: we all have memories growing up, precious memories going to

1211
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 21: Reds games with grandparents, in our own parents. I know

1212
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 21: you've got beautiful stories and memories of that.

1213
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Speaker 19: You've got one daughter.

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01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:34,560
Speaker 21: What if you had three or four and you were

1215
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 21: taking everyone to the game, and by the way, they

1216
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 21: wanted a hot dog, and they wanted ice cream, and

1217
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:41,520
Speaker 21: they want a coke, right like then it becomes out

1218
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 21: of the realm of the way that all of us

1219
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 21: grew up going. And I think it's a shame. And

1220
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Speaker 21: you know, I mentioned collegiate sports, and I think that's

1221
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 21: also worth a mention here because over the past few years,

1222
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 21: now that we have nil money in that space. We

1223
01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:59,080
Speaker 21: now have collegiate sports that are professional sports. And I

1224
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 21: don't know that the business structure has caught up yet

1225
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:06,760
Speaker 21: with this new reality. And so and I think you know,

1226
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 21: here's just one case in Point So, Florida State recently

1227
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:13,640
Speaker 21: redid their football stadium. There is a family that has

1228
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 21: been going for generations to every game.

1229
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 19: They have season tickets, they all tailgate.

1230
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:20,960
Speaker 21: Now they're saying, first of all, we can hardly even

1231
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 21: afford the parking anymore for the tailgate. As someone who

1232
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 21: has kids at the University of Kentucky, I can tell

1233
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:31,920
Speaker 21: you that parking in a parking lot in Lexington on

1234
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 21: game day this year for Parents Weekend, you could not

1235
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 21: touch a parking spot for.

1236
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 19: Under two hundred dollars, especially parking spots. It is absolute insanity.

1237
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:45,040
Speaker 21: So these Florida State fans who have been fans for

1238
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 21: centuries are now saying, listen, like we cannot or for decades,

1239
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:52,000
Speaker 21: we cannot even afford this anymore. Florida State recently redid

1240
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 21: their stadium. They got rid of twelve thousand seats. Do

1241
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:57,320
Speaker 21: you want to guess what they replaced? Many of those

1242
01:05:57,360 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 21: seats with suites, luxury boxing of course, after money off

1243
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 21: of the luxury boxes, then Moegar and Amy Wagner are

1244
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:08,919
Speaker 21: paying to be in the nosebleeds, right, And so this

1245
01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 21: trend toward how can we finance a team that we're

1246
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 21: paying people for you know, I mean I was thinking

1247
01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 21: about it earlier.

1248
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:20,919
Speaker 19: You were talking about my ukwylcat basketball team.

1249
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:21,200
Speaker 9: Right.

1250
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:24,480
Speaker 21: For the first time ever has part of the conversation

1251
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 21: been this is a twenty two million dollar roster that

1252
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:29,920
Speaker 21: cannot win, you know, like it used to.

1253
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 19: Be when I was growing up.

1254
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:34,720
Speaker 21: This is a team with two McDonald's, all Americans, and

1255
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 21: how are they not winning? You know, you would talk

1256
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:39,000
Speaker 21: about their credentials for college from high school.

1257
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:40,280
Speaker 19: You would not be talking about how.

1258
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 21: Much they're making to play college basketball. So, you know,

1259
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 21: these colleges have intense pressure to win, to be able

1260
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:51,480
Speaker 21: to attract top athletes, to be able to attract top coaches.

1261
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:54,440
Speaker 21: Now we've got this crazy merry go round of coaches

1262
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:57,960
Speaker 21: coming and going and teams having to pay out tens

1263
01:06:58,000 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 21: of millions of dollars to coaches that they've led.

1264
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:02,080
Speaker 19: Oh, we just haven't figured this out.

1265
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 21: And the loser and all of this time and time

1266
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 21: again is really going to be the fan.

1267
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:09,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's similar to the Florida State family you're talking about.

1268
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:12,640
Speaker 3: I've read pieces, and not just here, but I've read

1269
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:15,360
Speaker 3: pieces where folks are they're college football fans or they're

1270
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 3: college basketball fans of a certain school, and so they

1271
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:21,080
Speaker 3: have to make a donation. The donation gives you the

1272
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:23,320
Speaker 3: right to buy tickets. But if you want to buy tickets,

1273
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:25,280
Speaker 3: and look, youc used to do this in the nineties,

1274
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:27,720
Speaker 3: if you wanted basketball tickets, you had to buy football tickets.

1275
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:31,120
Speaker 3: Now you know, you have schools that are saying, well,

1276
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:33,120
Speaker 3: if you want men's basketball tickets, we need you to

1277
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:36,400
Speaker 3: buy some volleyball tickets and some women's basketball tickets.

1278
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 1: And nothing against those programs.

1279
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 3: You want those programs to thrive, but like, hey, look

1280
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:43,040
Speaker 3: I just want to go to fifteen to eighteen men's

1281
01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:44,920
Speaker 3: college basketball games. Yeah, I don't want to have to

1282
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 3: pay for this other stuff that I'm not that interested in.

1283
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:48,840
Speaker 3: And yet that's happening around the country.

1284
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:50,720
Speaker 21: Yeah, and I think it's just becoming more and more

1285
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:53,480
Speaker 21: difficult to support the teams that we love, and then

1286
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:54,600
Speaker 21: it becomes I'm.

1287
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:55,439
Speaker 19: Watching it from home.

1288
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 21: And if you want to bring everything full circle, now

1289
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:01,920
Speaker 21: you have to have seventeen subscriptions. And it's funny because

1290
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 21: my husband the other day said, wait, there's games on

1291
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:07,800
Speaker 21: Christmas Day and I was like, well, obviously, don't listen

1292
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:09,880
Speaker 21: to MONI. We've been talking about. Yeah, we're been talking

1293
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:12,680
Speaker 21: about which subscriptions you have to have in order to

1294
01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:16,320
Speaker 21: watch those particular games. So, yeah, it's getting more and

1295
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 21: more frustrating, you know, and then you throw in that

1296
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:23,240
Speaker 21: we're Bengals fans, a team that can you know, pull

1297
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:26,600
Speaker 21: off a win, you know, in the best of circumstances,

1298
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:30,880
Speaker 21: and you know, it's it's harder and harder than to

1299
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:33,679
Speaker 21: sell us on you know, paying for parking and season

1300
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:34,720
Speaker 21: tickets and things like that.

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Speaker 1: One more story I want to ask you about.

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Speaker 3: So I read in The Athletic this week that there's

1303
01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:41,759
Speaker 3: going to be this capital partnership with the Big Twelve,

1304
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:44,960
Speaker 3: with Big Twelve schools that could funnel as much as

1305
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 3: thirty million dollars to each school. Now, as a UC fan,

1306
01:08:48,360 --> 01:08:51,080
Speaker 3: that my ears perked up. I'm told this is different

1307
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:54,680
Speaker 3: than private equity. So what is a capital partnership and

1308
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 3: what might this mean for me? A frustrated bear Cat fan,

1309
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:01,000
Speaker 3: but a bear Cat fan on the list.

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01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:03,680
Speaker 21: This is private equity under another name. I want to

1311
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:07,919
Speaker 21: be clear about that. The difference is initially private equity

1312
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:12,519
Speaker 21: was striking these deals with these conferences, right, and so

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Speaker 21: this is allowing each individual school to opt in to

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Speaker 21: unleash or tap this capital that they would then be

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Speaker 21: able to use. You know, a rose by any other name,

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Speaker 21: still a rose, right, It is still the same thing.

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Speaker 21: The difference now is that each school can choose whether

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Speaker 21: to opt in or not.

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Speaker 19: And I think a lot of schools kind of came

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Speaker 19: to the table with their.

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Speaker 21: Conference and said, we have huge reservations about what this

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Speaker 21: means when you have an investor putting this much money

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Speaker 21: in expecting this amount of return.

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Speaker 19: What kind of voice are they.

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Speaker 21: Going to have, and how we run this program? And

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Speaker 21: so now the schools can individually choose to opt in.

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Speaker 19: Here's my prediction.

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Speaker 21: Okay, they will wait for one school to tiptoe in,

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Speaker 21: They'll give it a few months, and then everyone will

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Speaker 21: opt in at some point because listen, you know, with

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Speaker 21: the the latest settlement, each school is on the hook

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Speaker 21: for what twenty and a half million dollars to pay

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Speaker 21: into the ANIL pot on back pay, they're having to

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Speaker 21: pay these rosters. They're having to pay exorbitant coaches fees.

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Speaker 19: And you know what I think.

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Speaker 21: Also, one other piece of this is alumni tapped out. Yes,

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Speaker 21: fatigue again fatigue right, like when you're having to you're

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Speaker 21: going back to the same till every time and again,

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01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:30,280
Speaker 21: time and again they're done. So this is a new

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Speaker 21: source of income available to these teams.

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Speaker 19: We don't know what kinds of strings will be attached.

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Speaker 19: We don't know yet what this looks like.

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Speaker 21: This is brand new right in the sports space, private

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Speaker 21: equity and collegiate sports space. So I can't even begin

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Speaker 21: to predict what the outcome will be, except that I

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Speaker 21: know that there's so much competition that someone will tiptoe.

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Speaker 19: In and everyone else will I think follow in short order.

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Speaker 1: That that makes sense.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've heard from donors at a few area schools

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Speaker 3: here who are like done, like just and it doesn't

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Speaker 3: help when the teams aren't winning to the degree that they.

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Speaker 21: Would like, Yeah, well you love your program, you have

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Speaker 21: all you want to see them be successful, but at

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Speaker 21: some point you're like, I also have grandkids, you know,

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Speaker 21: or whatever. It is like, Yeah, even the wealthiest families

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Speaker 21: are doing legacy planning, right, So you know, when you

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Speaker 21: look at a report, you're throwing good money after bad.

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Speaker 19: You know, at some point, I think for some families

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Speaker 19: it starts to feel that way.

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Speaker 3: is my last Wednesday show of the year. So have

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Speaker 3: a great Christmas, an awesome New Year, and awesome to

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Speaker 3: have you a part of our show here at the

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Speaker 3: back half of twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 19: Always happy to be with you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: Amy Wagner, Dean Doortonwealth dot Com. I am going to

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Speaker 3: try to answer the question of the off season for

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Speaker 3: the Bengals. Richard Skinner is going to join us, and

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Speaker 3: things are not going very well right now for our

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Speaker 3: area professional football team. M Zach Taylor today may have

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Speaker 3: made it worse. We'll get to that coming up in

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Speaker 3: I am off tomorrow and the rest of the week,

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Speaker 3: and so after the Bearcat game tonight, there is probably

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Speaker 3: a bud light in my future. I would say right

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Speaker 3: around nine nine thirty, perhaps after watching Gisel James make

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Speaker 3: his triumphant return. Perhaps perhaps a little bit later on,

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Speaker 3: we'll talk injuries with doctor Madam At doctor Adam Metzler

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01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:41,920
Speaker 3: from Orthos Sincy. By the way, speaking of injuries, there

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01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:46,479
Speaker 3: are like a thousand players on the Bengals injury report today,

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01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:49,439
Speaker 3: including Joe Burrow, who was a full go, but he's

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01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:53,439
Speaker 3: still popped up on the report with a knee. Dylan

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01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:56,599
Speaker 3: Fairchild full go as well. No go for Noah fen

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01:13:56,800 --> 01:13:59,040
Speaker 3: hurt his ankle on Sunday. T Higgins still in the

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01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:02,519
Speaker 3: concussion protocols to officially listed as limited. No go for

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01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:05,920
Speaker 3: BJ Hill, no Chris Jenkins. Zach Taylor today said Chris

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01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:09,800
Speaker 3: isn't gonna go. Still a no go for Charlie Jones A.

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Speaker 3: Marius Mims a full go. Injured his knee on Sunday,

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Speaker 3: that's good news. Joseph Oside did not go with that ankle.

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01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:19,600
Speaker 3: Samajp Run full go, lots of dudes. Full go for

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Speaker 3: Shamar Stewart, full go for DJ Turner. DJ Turner has

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Speaker 3: been a very bright spot on this year's team. I

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01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:28,639
Speaker 3: don't really get into the Pro Bowl or who should

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01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:30,559
Speaker 3: make it, but I think it'd be really cool if

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Speaker 3: DJ Turner did.

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Speaker 1: And at the very.

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Speaker 3: Least he's he's a piece, you know, is is he

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Speaker 3: CB one next year?

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Speaker 1: If you can find one better, that'd be awesome.

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01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:43,559
Speaker 3: But there aren't many guys in that defense you look

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01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:45,479
Speaker 3: at and go, Okay, I want that guy back next year.

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Speaker 1: He's one.

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Speaker 3: I think Miles Murphy is one. Miles Murphy will ever

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Speaker 3: live up to first round pick. I have liked almost

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Speaker 3: everything I've seen for Miles Murphy over the last month plus.

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Speaker 3: It'd be great to see some flashes from Shamar Stewart

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Speaker 3: these last three games. Zach Taylor talked today about the Dolphins,

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Speaker 3: and I thought he had some good answers about, you know,

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Speaker 3: winning these games and not wasn't necessarily asked about tanking.

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Speaker 3: But he had some good answers when he was asked

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Speaker 3: about the twenty nineteen Bengals Dolphins game, which many of

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01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:24,280
Speaker 3: us wanted them to lose. But his answers about his

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01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:28,200
Speaker 3: contract I just think are unnecessary and look, Zach Taylor

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01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:35,080
Speaker 3: in these settings is usually a portrait of affability. We've

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01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:39,200
Speaker 3: seen dour sour puss Bengals head coach press conferences. That's

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01:15:39,240 --> 01:15:43,439
Speaker 3: typically not Zach Taylor, by all accounts, is professional in

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01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:47,280
Speaker 3: his dealings with the media. Is maybe not the most

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01:15:47,320 --> 01:15:51,160
Speaker 3: forthright about team matters, But which head coach is This

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01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:54,280
Speaker 3: to me is just a silly thing to not be

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01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:58,240
Speaker 3: very forthright about. So Paul Danner Junior had the piece

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01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:01,559
Speaker 3: yesterday that you know, essentially he's sent it around the idea,

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Speaker 3: the suggestion that don't expect Zach Taylor to be fired,

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01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:07,360
Speaker 3: don't expect Duke Tobin to be let go, don't expect

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01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:10,760
Speaker 3: massive changes, and maybe that isn't going to be the case.

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01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 3: We'll see what happens these last three games. But in

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01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:16,680
Speaker 3: that piece, Paul mentioned the fact that Zach's actually under

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01:16:16,720 --> 01:16:19,240
Speaker 3: contract for the next two seasons, that they did an

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01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:21,439
Speaker 3: extension at the end of the twenty twenty two season,

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01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:26,559
Speaker 3: and by the way, them not announcing it. It'd be

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01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:29,679
Speaker 3: cool to be transparent with your fans about such matters,

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01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:34,240
Speaker 3: but when it apparently happened, I could understand them not

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01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:36,560
Speaker 3: making a big deal about it because I bet you

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01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:39,080
Speaker 3: there's a decent chance Zach Taylor told him not to

1458
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Speaker 3: make a big deal about it, but it's out there.

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Speaker 3: Your job status is up for discussion. Zach was asked

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Speaker 3: about his contract, whether or not he actually is under

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Speaker 3: contract for two more years, and here's how that exchange

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Speaker 3: went with the local professional football media.

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Speaker 4: Contract with the Bengals goes through twenty twenty seven.

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Speaker 5: Can you confirm if.

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Speaker 4: That's true, and if so, the organization decided not to

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Speaker 4: announce it. Do you know why the teams decided not

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Speaker 4: to announce it a year after they announced.

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Speaker 6: I don't think it won't matters.

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Speaker 7: I coach every day like it's my last and I've

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Speaker 7: been through years in twenty nineteen, twenty twenty that were

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Speaker 7: literally you coach every game thinking it could be your

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Speaker 7: last game. And I've seen how we responded after that

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Speaker 7: twenty one twenty two, competing for division titles and championships,

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Speaker 7: and so this.

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Speaker 6: Year is no different from me.

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01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 7: It's going through adversity coaching every game in this profession

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Speaker 7: like it could be your last one. I have a

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Speaker 7: lot of confidence in our staff that we're going to

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Speaker 7: get this turned around and we're going to finish the

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Speaker 7: season really strong and put together a great plan to

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Speaker 7: get back to those championships I mentioned.

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Speaker 6: So I'm very confident that we can do all that.

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Speaker 8: For accuracy, though it is through twenty twenty seven.

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Speaker 6: I'm not going to respond to that. I just told you.

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01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:53,639
Speaker 6: I coach every day like it's my last one.

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Speaker 9: You don't get a chance to talk to ownership or

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01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:58,480
Speaker 9: do we don't get that opportunity?

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01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:00,880
Speaker 5: What kind of assurance is have you been given?

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01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:02,519
Speaker 6: We just talk every week?

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Speaker 5: Every week you've talked about your contractor.

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Speaker 6: Every week we talk about everything.

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Speaker 7: Well, the last time you spoke about your contract and sads,

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01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:13,000
Speaker 7: that's not really part of our conversation. It's every week.

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01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:15,080
Speaker 7: We're just trying to create together a great plan to

1495
01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:18,040
Speaker 7: win football games and make sure our team's ready to go.

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01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:20,720
Speaker 7: Make sure I'm ready to go. So I know that's

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Speaker 7: of curiosity to you guys, but we're just focused on

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Speaker 7: being the Dolphins.

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Speaker 5: Fair to say, that's reassessed after the season.

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Speaker 9: Every years them ask them, Yeah, and we don't get

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Speaker 9: that chance.

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Speaker 6: Okay, Well I'm sorry.

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Speaker 10: Okay, I'm just being straightforward with that. We would ask them,

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Speaker 10: but we don't get that.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, So if Zach Taylor is being asked about

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Speaker 3: his contract, and the team is ten and four in

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01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:49,240
Speaker 3: first place X next to its name because it's clinched

1508
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:55,160
Speaker 3: to playoff spot. Nobody cares. Things aren't going well. Things

1509
01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:57,120
Speaker 3: aren't going They're not going to be a playoff team.

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01:18:57,160 --> 01:18:59,879
Speaker 3: Third straight year. They'll finish with at least ten losses.

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01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:05,160
Speaker 3: The quarterback is having some sort of existential crisis. Fans

1512
01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:08,479
Speaker 3: are pissed, fans are turning in their season tickets. You're

1513
01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:12,599
Speaker 3: not shoveling off the snow from the seats, like maybe

1514
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:15,400
Speaker 3: there's nothing about Zach Taylor's press conference that could have

1515
01:19:15,439 --> 01:19:18,200
Speaker 3: given the Bengals a win, but don't add to the

1516
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Speaker 3: lost column. Look, there's a part of me that certainly

1517
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Speaker 3: understands the questions about the contract should be thrown at

1518
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Speaker 3: ownership or the front office. But Zach saying ask ownership.

1519
01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:37,160
Speaker 3: He knows ownership is not available. Ownership doesn't make itself available.

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Speaker 3: Zach Taylor is the spokesperson. So in the absence of

1521
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:43,559
Speaker 3: ownership being able to step in and say, well, you know,

1522
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Speaker 3: here's what we've done, here's how long this contract is for.

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Speaker 3: Why not just answer the question, like, what, you know what,

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Speaker 3: I'm under contract for two more years and I want

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Speaker 3: to be here for the next ten to twelve to fifteen.

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Speaker 3: I'd love to be in Cincinnati for as long as

1527
01:19:57,520 --> 01:19:59,800
Speaker 3: Mike Tomlin has been in Pittsburgh or John Harbaugh has

1528
01:19:59,800 --> 01:20:02,599
Speaker 3: been in Baltimore. And I want to win a title

1529
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:05,679
Speaker 3: like those guys. And you know we didn't. We fell

1530
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:07,439
Speaker 3: short this year, but you know, I want to focus

1531
01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:11,559
Speaker 3: on the Dolphins like and then okay, and I would

1532
01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:14,880
Speaker 3: imagine everybody just moves on. I just Zach Taylor's not

1533
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:19,120
Speaker 3: a bad guy. Zach Taylor isn't you know? He is

1534
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:23,040
Speaker 3: certainly complicit in this season just spiraling down the drain,

1535
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:25,799
Speaker 3: But I don't think he's the biggest reason. Quite frankly,

1536
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:32,479
Speaker 3: I don't know, man that that just was unnecessary. It's

1537
01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:35,519
Speaker 3: kind of a middle finger to everybody. And again, like

1538
01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:39,360
Speaker 3: you aren't the spokesperson for the franchise. So no, most

1539
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:42,320
Speaker 3: head coaches are not getting questions about their contract status.

1540
01:20:42,479 --> 01:20:45,120
Speaker 3: Most head coaches don't have to answer questions about everything.

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01:20:47,680 --> 01:20:50,559
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow talked for nineteen minutes that I here is

1542
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:53,599
Speaker 3: the portion of his press conference that I believe is

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01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:56,280
Speaker 3: raising eyebrows from earlier this afternoon.

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01:20:57,400 --> 01:21:00,800
Speaker 15: Is there, ever, is there any world in your mind

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01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:03,080
Speaker 15: when you're not the quarterback of the Bengals next year.

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01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:05,400
Speaker 14: I couldn't. I couldn't. I can't see that now.

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01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:08,800
Speaker 10: I didn't you ever both thought about the possibility of

1548
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:10,200
Speaker 10: not being the quarterback.

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01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:13,920
Speaker 14: Here during your career or can you think about a

1550
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:15,400
Speaker 14: lot of things?

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01:21:16,280 --> 01:21:16,640
Speaker 11: All right?

1552
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:20,880
Speaker 1: So it's a fair question.

1553
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:26,080
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow is probably gonna play beyond the twenty twenty

1554
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:29,720
Speaker 3: nine season. The contract that he's under now takes him

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01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:34,320
Speaker 3: through the twenty twenty nine season. I don't blame him

1556
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:36,720
Speaker 3: for not wanting to attach himself to well, yeah, I'm

1557
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:39,320
Speaker 3: gonna play here forever, because then if he doesn't, then

1558
01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:42,440
Speaker 3: he has his words thrown back in his face that said,

1559
01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:46,000
Speaker 3: when you are where Joe Burrow is, and when you

1560
01:21:46,040 --> 01:21:48,120
Speaker 3: are playing for a team that is where the Bengals is,

1561
01:21:48,160 --> 01:21:50,439
Speaker 3: folks are gonna take that and run. I don't. I

1562
01:21:50,479 --> 01:21:52,720
Speaker 3: don't know that I'm going to. I don't know that

1563
01:21:52,760 --> 01:21:55,040
Speaker 3: I'm going to because I just I wouldn't expect him

1564
01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:57,599
Speaker 3: to say, like, yeah, I'm gonna play here forever because

1565
01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:03,360
Speaker 3: there's a very good chance that doesn't happen, and because

1566
01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:05,679
Speaker 3: he's not under contract for the rest of his life.

1567
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:08,519
Speaker 3: Why would he not leave himself open to maybe playing

1568
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:15,000
Speaker 3: somewhere else someday. At the same time, what it's burrow

1569
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:18,800
Speaker 3: in the current state of the Bengals and what has

1570
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:21,080
Speaker 3: happened so many times in the past with the Bengals.

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01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:25,679
Speaker 3: You just can help, but wonder Richard Skinner.

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1585
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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty to the official home of the Cincinnati Bank.

1586
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Speaker 3: Twenty four after five o'clock. This is ESPN fifteen thirty.

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01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:26,240
Speaker 3: Richard Skinner joins us on Wednesdays, sometimes before he helps

1588
01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:29,040
Speaker 3: his high school basketball team that he coaches, Bludge and

1589
01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:32,439
Speaker 3: Milma Mater, and sometimes at Texas Roadhouse. I don't know

1590
01:23:32,479 --> 01:23:34,120
Speaker 3: what it is this week, but it's awesome to have you.

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01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:37,680
Speaker 26: I appreciate that, mo. I'm sorry that we did that

1592
01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:38,200
Speaker 26: to your team.

1593
01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:40,519
Speaker 11: I like the head coach, Steve Romeyer very much, and

1594
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:43,639
Speaker 11: they've actually they've actually won game since then, so maybe.

1595
01:23:43,720 --> 01:23:44,200
Speaker 19: It's just us.

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01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:45,040
Speaker 26: I hope it's just us.

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01:23:45,160 --> 01:23:47,080
Speaker 1: Good win for you, guys, is what you're trying to say.

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01:23:47,320 --> 01:23:48,840
Speaker 26: Well, yes, very good.

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01:23:49,320 --> 01:23:52,080
Speaker 3: You outlined a pretty dark Sunday you've been You've been

1600
01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:56,479
Speaker 3: covering this team and covering sports in various capacities for

1601
01:23:56,680 --> 01:23:59,320
Speaker 3: a very long time. How would you encapsulate the last

1602
01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:02,639
Speaker 3: week for the since and any Bengals? Uh?

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01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:08,120
Speaker 11: Deflating and weird? Both deflating that it seems like there's

1604
01:24:08,160 --> 01:24:11,200
Speaker 11: no real change coming, whether it be in the coaching

1605
01:24:11,400 --> 01:24:15,840
Speaker 11: situation or the front office situation. The quarterback's in a goofy,

1606
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:18,120
Speaker 11: weird place, and you can even say a dark place.

1607
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:23,080
Speaker 11: You know something's amiss. You don't see what you said

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01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:25,040
Speaker 11: last Wednesday and then follow it up with that performance

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01:24:25,080 --> 01:24:27,200
Speaker 11: on Sunday without it being something. Right, I don't know

1610
01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:29,120
Speaker 11: what the something is. None of us know what the

1611
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:29,760
Speaker 11: something is.

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01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:32,160
Speaker 3: To me.

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01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:34,080
Speaker 11: I think it was a message to the organization. I

1614
01:24:34,120 --> 01:24:37,120
Speaker 11: can't keep having major surgery and rehabbing and coming back

1615
01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:39,360
Speaker 11: and you guys doing nothing to help me out. That

1616
01:24:39,479 --> 01:24:41,040
Speaker 11: was the message. But I'm not going to speak for

1617
01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:43,200
Speaker 11: and that's just my takeaway from it. But yeah, I

1618
01:24:43,240 --> 01:24:45,719
Speaker 11: mean it's been a it's been a weird and frustrating week.

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01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:50,479
Speaker 3: The game on Sunday. We've watched Joe Burrow have subpar games.

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01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:53,120
Speaker 3: I've watched him make mistakes, certainly saw it against Buffalo

1621
01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:55,960
Speaker 3: like I've I've seen him play poorly. I think you

1622
01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:58,559
Speaker 3: had to have watched that, like you you could look

1623
01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:00,160
Speaker 3: at the box sper and go, man, Burrow must not

1624
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:02,479
Speaker 3: a player. You had to have seen how that unfolded

1625
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:05,760
Speaker 3: on Sunday, I think to completely grasp what was going

1626
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:07,000
Speaker 3: on with him in this offense.

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01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:08,920
Speaker 26: No, I agree with that.

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01:25:09,080 --> 01:25:10,840
Speaker 11: Yeah, yet to your point, I mean, you can just

1629
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:12,559
Speaker 11: look into lay you didn't play well. No, it's more

1630
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:13,200
Speaker 11: than that. It was.

1631
01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:14,080
Speaker 26: It was more than that.

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01:25:15,160 --> 01:25:17,599
Speaker 11: It was almost like the guy's who lost his fire

1633
01:25:18,160 --> 01:25:21,080
Speaker 11: and his drive and was resigned to whatever happened happened.

1634
01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:23,479
Speaker 11: And that's just not him. That's not the guy. I've

1635
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:27,680
Speaker 11: watched cover and people change. I get that, you know.

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01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:30,479
Speaker 11: I hope it's the organization hasn't made him change because

1637
01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:33,160
Speaker 11: of and and to that kind of a guy, the

1638
01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:36,800
Speaker 11: thing that the superpower is the competitiveness. It is the

1639
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:40,000
Speaker 11: the gloving the grind, loving the process, loving the test

1640
01:25:40,080 --> 01:25:42,439
Speaker 11: on a Sunday and then seeing if you pass that test.

1641
01:25:43,080 --> 01:25:44,960
Speaker 11: And I think Buffalo broke him, Does it mean it's

1642
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:48,640
Speaker 11: broken him forever? No, not forever. I'm super interested to

1643
01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:52,160
Speaker 11: see what this looks like in nice weather, you know,

1644
01:25:52,200 --> 01:25:55,479
Speaker 11: against the blessed football team. Uh, and to see if

1645
01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:58,479
Speaker 11: there's a bounce back performance in him especially and then

1646
01:25:58,520 --> 01:26:00,519
Speaker 11: you just go, Okay, that was a weird liar on

1647
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:02,360
Speaker 11: a weird week that you're going to look back on

1648
01:26:02,439 --> 01:26:05,000
Speaker 11: and go, he was broken. And sometimes to get things

1649
01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:07,120
Speaker 11: fixed and pips patched back together, you've got.

1650
01:26:06,920 --> 01:26:07,479
Speaker 26: To get broken.

1651
01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:10,200
Speaker 11: And I think Buffalo broken man. And now it's a

1652
01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:12,320
Speaker 11: chance this week to start building himself back up.

1653
01:26:13,040 --> 01:26:15,720
Speaker 3: If if people aren't going to lose their jobs and

1654
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:18,280
Speaker 3: they're not going to swap out people who are here

1655
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:19,880
Speaker 3: with folks from outside.

1656
01:26:20,240 --> 01:26:21,960
Speaker 1: How do things change this offseason.

1657
01:26:23,320 --> 01:26:27,080
Speaker 11: That's a great question because and you could sense the

1658
01:26:27,080 --> 01:26:29,320
Speaker 11: frustration from my frien Mike. But to try you today,

1659
01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:31,360
Speaker 11: because we've been trying to get to speak to Duke

1660
01:26:31,400 --> 01:26:33,719
Speaker 11: Tobin for weeks now. We actually put a formal request

1661
01:26:33,720 --> 01:26:35,600
Speaker 11: in a few weeks ago try to get in to

1662
01:26:35,680 --> 01:26:37,839
Speaker 11: talk to us, and it just keeps getting ducked and dodged,

1663
01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:40,280
Speaker 11: and to this point's gone to know a vail. Mike's

1664
01:26:40,280 --> 01:26:43,240
Speaker 11: the president at the local Pro Football Writers Association, so

1665
01:26:43,240 --> 01:26:45,360
Speaker 11: he put a literally a formal written request in to

1666
01:26:45,400 --> 01:26:47,599
Speaker 11: talk to Duke. I think he's going to put another

1667
01:26:47,640 --> 01:26:51,200
Speaker 11: one in. So there was some frustration there and I

1668
01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:53,519
Speaker 11: don't know, I mean, I guess think go like this.

1669
01:26:54,120 --> 01:26:55,840
Speaker 11: I know what exact's answer was today that you know

1670
01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:58,160
Speaker 11: we did this in twenty one and twenty two. That's fine,

1671
01:26:58,240 --> 01:27:00,559
Speaker 11: Yeah you did, and those same people were in place.

1672
01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:02,280
Speaker 11: But this is a what have you done for me lately?

1673
01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:02,479
Speaker 21: Lead?

1674
01:27:02,920 --> 01:27:04,639
Speaker 11: And sometimes it's a what have you done for me lately?

1675
01:27:04,720 --> 01:27:08,760
Speaker 11: Year to year? You've now had three straight misses and

1676
01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:12,559
Speaker 11: really kind of a epic collapse this year with Joe Burrow.

1677
01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:14,960
Speaker 11: Without Joe Burrow, you were still not going to be

1678
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:16,880
Speaker 11: a very good team this year. Because you've proven that.

1679
01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:20,880
Speaker 11: And I don't know how you trust this, that that

1680
01:27:21,400 --> 01:27:26,040
Speaker 11: personnel department to get it right. You know, you've now

1681
01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:26,280
Speaker 11: in the.

1682
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:27,679
Speaker 26: Zach Taylor tenure, and I'll give.

1683
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:29,800
Speaker 11: Us that credit for this from today, he pointed the face,

1684
01:27:29,840 --> 01:27:31,800
Speaker 11: and the buck stops with me and nobody else. And

1685
01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:34,120
Speaker 11: I'm guessing he's probably covering for Duke because guess what again,

1686
01:27:34,160 --> 01:27:36,479
Speaker 11: we can't ask that at the moment. Zach's the oneman

1687
01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:38,479
Speaker 11: has to answer the questions board, so he can certainly

1688
01:27:38,520 --> 01:27:40,880
Speaker 11: point the finger inwards. And I got my fingerprint all

1689
01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:43,600
Speaker 11: over this. Okay, I'll take your word at that. But

1690
01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:45,439
Speaker 11: so then what makes me trust that you can get

1691
01:27:45,439 --> 01:27:47,840
Speaker 11: this right? Because you did it twice when the other

1692
01:27:47,880 --> 01:27:50,639
Speaker 11: times you've had five non playoff seasons out of your seven,

1693
01:27:50,680 --> 01:27:53,320
Speaker 11: and you've had more losing seasons in the playoff season

1694
01:27:53,400 --> 01:27:55,360
Speaker 11: than your ten year three now. And I know the

1695
01:27:55,360 --> 01:27:57,679
Speaker 11: first two years were kind of you know, gud roster

1696
01:27:57,720 --> 01:27:59,080
Speaker 11: from the end of the Marvel loose here, but you're

1697
01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:02,000
Speaker 11: still that's on your record, man, So I don't know

1698
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:04,439
Speaker 11: why all these guys feel like they think they can

1699
01:28:04,479 --> 01:28:07,519
Speaker 11: get it right. They've got it right less often than

1700
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:09,400
Speaker 11: they've gotten it right, and why would I trust them

1701
01:28:09,439 --> 01:28:12,439
Speaker 11: to get it right again? That's the answer for du tilman,

1702
01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:15,439
Speaker 11: Why should we trust you to get this right? What

1703
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:18,559
Speaker 11: makes us think as journalists and what makes you think

1704
01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:21,080
Speaker 11: the fans can think this that you can get this right.

1705
01:28:21,479 --> 01:28:23,439
Speaker 11: I think it's a great answer that would come.

1706
01:28:24,360 --> 01:28:26,800
Speaker 3: Is it that hard to simply say, yeah, I've got

1707
01:28:26,840 --> 01:28:28,720
Speaker 3: a contract for two more years and I hope I

1708
01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:29,800
Speaker 3: can stay here even longer.

1709
01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:33,120
Speaker 11: Uh No, I'm kind.

1710
01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:33,320
Speaker 22: Of with you.

1711
01:28:33,880 --> 01:28:39,880
Speaker 11: I I do think that he will eventually apologize to

1712
01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:42,559
Speaker 11: Mike personally. I think that's who Zachy is. I think

1713
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:44,800
Speaker 11: it got the way it was, fraz I did catch

1714
01:28:44,840 --> 01:28:46,960
Speaker 11: him off guard, to be quite honest with you, because

1715
01:28:47,080 --> 01:28:48,519
Speaker 11: we've been talking about this for a long time, like

1716
01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:50,640
Speaker 11: when we get when we get told that response, I

1717
01:28:50,680 --> 01:28:52,960
Speaker 11: that's a question for Duke. The response from us has

1718
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:55,240
Speaker 11: to be, well, we don't get kids talking to Duke

1719
01:28:55,280 --> 01:28:57,920
Speaker 11: and God loved mine because that's literally snapped right back

1720
01:28:57,960 --> 01:29:00,680
Speaker 11: at him, and I thought it was you know, I

1721
01:29:00,720 --> 01:29:02,320
Speaker 11: know people hate us as reporters and all that. But

1722
01:29:02,360 --> 01:29:04,760
Speaker 11: I thought Mike hal him so great. I thought it

1723
01:29:04,760 --> 01:29:06,720
Speaker 11: was a great response, and I think it caught Zach

1724
01:29:06,760 --> 01:29:09,000
Speaker 11: off guard. But I think your points right. I mean,

1725
01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:11,599
Speaker 11: the contract really goal is in any of our business.

1726
01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:13,479
Speaker 11: I'm a little surprised he didn't announce it after the

1727
01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:15,960
Speaker 11: DAFC Championship game. Guy's right in high off of the

1728
01:29:15,960 --> 01:29:18,400
Speaker 11: Super Bowl, in an AFC championship game. We just extended

1729
01:29:18,400 --> 01:29:19,960
Speaker 11: his cat for another year. And I know again he

1730
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:22,719
Speaker 11: was kind of even a polarising figure then, But wouldn't

1731
01:29:22,720 --> 01:29:24,960
Speaker 11: you be proud to announce that. If you were proud

1732
01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:25,840
Speaker 11: to announce.

1733
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:27,760
Speaker 1: That, I would be. I would be.

1734
01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:29,720
Speaker 3: And again, if the answer is going to be, well,

1735
01:29:29,760 --> 01:29:33,320
Speaker 3: ask ownership, that's cool, but you know, you know ownership's

1736
01:29:33,360 --> 01:29:34,240
Speaker 3: never made available.

1737
01:29:35,240 --> 01:29:35,920
Speaker 1: That was bizarre.

1738
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:39,040
Speaker 3: Today things are bad and that didn't do anything to

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Speaker 3: make it better.

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Speaker 11: No, it didn't, it didn't.

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Speaker 1: It did not.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 3: This is my last Wednesday for the year, so so

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Speaker 3: thanks for all the all the appearances, and we'll bother you.

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Speaker 1: After the last game. Thanks as always. Oh good, that's

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Speaker 1: our guy.

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Speaker 1: It is that time of the week again.

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Speaker 3: We talked with one of the experts from Orthos Sincey

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Speaker 3: Orthopedics and sports Medicine. The great thing about Orthos Sincey

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Speaker 3: is they've got specialists, specialist locations and services all over

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Speaker 3: the tri State. That includes walk in orthopedic urgent care

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Speaker 3: at five locations with extended evening and weekend hours in

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Speaker 3: Edgewood and Anderson. You can learn more at Orthosinc dot com.

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Speaker 3: That's Orthos ci NCY dot com. Doctor Adam Metzler from

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Speaker 3: Orthos since he is with us. I want to start

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Speaker 3: by talking about two non bangals, Patrick Mahomes and Michael Parsons,

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01:32:11,200 --> 01:32:15,920
Speaker 3: both with season ending ACL tears. Patrick Mahomes has already

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Speaker 3: had surgery. We're going to talk about that. But this

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Speaker 3: type of injury, how long does it take to determine

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Speaker 3: whether or not something like this is a sprain or

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Speaker 3: a tear.

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Speaker 27: Well, the reality is understanding a little bit of the

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Speaker 27: difference and with that the meaning of those terms, and

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Speaker 27: they kind of can be used interchangeably. But the reality

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Speaker 27: is is that on the sideline, most of the time

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Speaker 27: we can tell whether someone's ACL is completely torn or

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Speaker 27: not based on the test we call the Lochman test,

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Speaker 27: and at the time of injury times zero the time

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Speaker 27: they do it, they're not super swollen, they're not guarding

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Speaker 27: too bad. You can get a pretty good exam, so

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Speaker 27: usually we know pretty quickly with a high probability.

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Speaker 8: If you're a sports medicine surgeon and.

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Speaker 27: A sideline doc, I've been on the sidelines nineteen years

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Speaker 27: now and done fifty teen hundred ACL surgery, most of

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Speaker 27: the time we can feel right away on the sideline

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Speaker 27: they have a torn ACL.

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Speaker 8: Now, sometimes you use the word sprain.

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Speaker 27: But a generically sprain is very interchangeable. So a great

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Speaker 27: three sprain is a complete tear. So if it's a

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Speaker 27: partial tear, you'll still feel an end points or a

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Speaker 27: firm points to their ACL. But beyond the physical examine

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Speaker 27: MRIs confirmatory for the diagnosis of an ACL tear.

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Speaker 3: So Patrick Mahomes had his surgery within twenty four hours

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Speaker 3: of suffering the injury. Micah Parsons hasn't had his yet.

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Speaker 3: So what factors determine when to have surgery.

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Speaker 27: That's a great question, and we've evolved and gotten better

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Speaker 27: at this, and the reality is is an isolated ACL

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Speaker 27: tear without other significant meniscus or cartilage involvement or other

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Speaker 27: ligaments involved. We typically will put patients in two to

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Speaker 27: three weeks of rehab before their surgery, called pre rehabilitation

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Speaker 27: or prehab for shorts. What that does is a lot

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Speaker 27: all the swelling to go down, allows the range of

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Speaker 27: motion to be normalized, regain a little bit of their

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Speaker 27: native strengths back trying to get their knee to move

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Speaker 27: and look normal, and then somewhere around two to three

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Speaker 27: sometimes up to four weeks will do their definitive acal surgery.

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01:34:17,720 --> 01:34:20,400
Speaker 27: The purpose of that is the better their knee moves

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Speaker 27: before surgery, the better the post operative outcomes. There was

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Speaker 27: an old term, the quicker we got some of the surgery,

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Speaker 27: the quicker they got back to sports.

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Speaker 8: We've the data proved that wrong. Where we needed patients

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Speaker 8: needs to be less slow and.

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Speaker 27: Have better range of motion, and that helped them nine

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Speaker 27: to ten months down the road when they were getting

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Speaker 27: back to sports. So if they come into surgery stiff,

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Speaker 27: the bottom lines will come out of surgery stiff. So

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Speaker 27: they're going to probably do to two to three weeks

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Speaker 27: of rehab in advance, get their acal surgery done for

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Speaker 27: Parsons like many of our other patients, and he'll do great.

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Speaker 27: For Patrick Mahomes, he had other associated injuries such as

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Speaker 27: the lott of clatter ligament terear. So not only did

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Speaker 27: the injuries ACL, but his louder clatter ligament. And those

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Speaker 27: patients have to surgery quicker. They don't have the luxury

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Speaker 27: of being in prehab before surgery. We got to attack

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Speaker 27: and repair the loud spot a ligament or for example

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Speaker 27: a bucket handle or flipped miniska's tear. In addition to

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Speaker 27: the ACL, those patients need to go much sooner than

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01:35:14,280 --> 01:35:16,559
Speaker 27: they need to be put on much quicker. So unfortunately

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Speaker 27: they don't get the luxury of having the prehab because

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Speaker 27: the other associated injuries dictate quicker treatment.

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Speaker 8: As the bottom line for him.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about the big picture of timeline here, because

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Speaker 3: I think a Joe Burrow suffered his knee injury in

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Speaker 3: the twenty twenty season. It was the last Sunday of

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Speaker 3: November and he was back. He played the season opener.

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Speaker 3: He had multiple tears, if my memory serves me correct.

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Speaker 3: So are we talking about something here that at least

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Speaker 3: allows for the possibility that both these guys could come

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Speaker 3: back to start the season on time, you know.

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Speaker 27: Pending nothing else else crazy, spending nothing else crazy. The

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Speaker 27: reality is is that a nine month window for you know,

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Speaker 27: genetically gifted professional athletes is very reasonable. The reason nine

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01:35:56,680 --> 01:35:59,080
Speaker 27: months is the magic term though, and magic numbers because

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Speaker 27: that's when you get the acl that we reconstruct to

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Speaker 27: get a good blood supply, and by getting good blood

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Speaker 27: supply helps reduce that risk of retear. And again learned

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Speaker 27: all this through data, and so that's still be going

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Speaker 27: to be a typical timeline. You're going to see a

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Speaker 27: professional athlete or comediate athlete return. So if he kind

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Speaker 27: of march backward in time, that does put us kind

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Speaker 27: of near that start of the season season openers for

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Speaker 27: both the pinning of step backs and no other major complications.

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Speaker 3: Doctor Adam Metzler from ORTHO, since he is with us,

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Speaker 3: let me ask you about Treny Hendrickson. And this has

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Speaker 3: been a saga now for weeks where you know, we've

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Speaker 3: heard back injury, we've heard pelvic injury, we've heard sports hernia.

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Speaker 3: His season is over because he has had core muscle surgery.

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Speaker 3: I don't know that I have ever heard of this procedure.

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Speaker 3: What is core muscle surgery?

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Speaker 27: Yeah, and there's a little bit of variation to these,

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Speaker 27: but there's a lot of semantic terms that go along

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Speaker 27: with this, and so just to kind of dispel some

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Speaker 27: of the myths, So core core muscle surgery is really

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Speaker 27: the term that the surgeons that we like to use

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Speaker 27: for sports hernia, and that's the term more frequently used.

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01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:12,960
Speaker 27: This is not an abdominal hernia or an enguinal hernia

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Speaker 27: where something is bulging through. Most people know are familiar

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01:37:17,800 --> 01:37:21,040
Speaker 27: with englinal hernias. These are sports hernias, but the term

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Speaker 27: they want us to really use and promote is core

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01:37:24,560 --> 01:37:29,760
Speaker 27: core muscle injury or core surgery when necessary. So what

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Speaker 27: this is is essentially for high level athletes like hockey

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01:37:33,720 --> 01:37:36,680
Speaker 27: players and basketball and football players are doing a lot

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Speaker 27: of twisting and cutting essentially get whole of their abdominal muscles.

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01:37:40,600 --> 01:37:44,200
Speaker 27: There's six pack muscles if you will, off of the

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01:37:44,240 --> 01:37:46,720
Speaker 27: pelvis or off the pubists, and we can get these

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01:37:46,760 --> 01:37:50,360
Speaker 27: partial tears. And the reality is that a short period

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Speaker 27: of physical therapy is tried, but oftentimes if unsuccessful, we

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01:37:55,400 --> 01:37:57,960
Speaker 27: go in and try to repair those directly back down

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01:37:58,640 --> 01:38:00,360
Speaker 27: to the bone and the pubis there.

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Speaker 1: What sort of timeline are we looking for for trey?

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Speaker 27: You know, if you look at what they said six weeks,

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01:38:07,439 --> 01:38:09,479
Speaker 27: six weeks is when the initiation of you can try

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01:38:09,479 --> 01:38:12,800
Speaker 27: to do for specific function, But most of the time

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01:38:12,800 --> 01:38:15,040
Speaker 27: it's close to three months. For an athlete, it's full go,

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01:38:15,160 --> 01:38:18,519
Speaker 27: full participation and can do whatever they want. Sometimes again

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01:38:19,080 --> 01:38:22,439
Speaker 27: very genetically gifted athletes, they can have a little bit

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01:38:22,640 --> 01:38:25,800
Speaker 27: increased recovery or decrease recovery time, I should say, But

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01:38:25,880 --> 01:38:27,880
Speaker 27: you know, somewhere between eight and twelve weeks I think

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01:38:27,960 --> 01:38:30,559
Speaker 27: is not unreasonable. So obviously they're not going to see

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Speaker 27: him this year at all. But moving forward, whether he's

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Speaker 27: with the Bengals or not, he should be ready to

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Speaker 27: go for you know, spring activities.

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Speaker 3: All Right, One more, and this might be kind of

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Speaker 3: a stupid question. So the Bengals had five players have

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Speaker 3: to leave the game on Sunday with different injuries. I

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01:38:45,280 --> 01:38:47,200
Speaker 3: don't know that any of them are being looked at

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Speaker 3: as serious, but the common denominator on Sunday was it

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Speaker 3: wasn't just cold. I mean it was it was obscenely cold. Right,

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Speaker 3: And so again this may be a stupid question, but

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Speaker 3: is there a greater risk of, for lack of a

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01:39:01,560 --> 01:39:04,160
Speaker 3: better way of putting in typical football injuries when the

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01:39:04,200 --> 01:39:07,040
Speaker 3: temperatures are in the single digits and wind chills are

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Speaker 3: below zero.

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Speaker 27: I think there's there's not a great study that says that,

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Speaker 27: except for the skiing world, because we've looked at this before.

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Speaker 27: The professional skiers have a higher risk of even recreational

1927
01:39:18,439 --> 01:39:21,920
Speaker 27: skiers have a higher risk of ACL injuries associated with

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Speaker 27: colder temperatures and different snow conditions. But there is an

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Speaker 27: increased risk overall of injuries in colder weather because you

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Speaker 27: have decreased muscle elasticity and the temperature affects the joints

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Speaker 27: where you don't quote feel the joint as well as

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Speaker 27: you normally would. So in general there's an increased risk

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Speaker 27: of overall injuries muscle sprain, strains, tears. You know, coldest

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Speaker 27: game and what I think was the coldest game in

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Speaker 27: bangals history that we just had this best weekend, so

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Speaker 27: definitely see what can happen with that too, with the

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Speaker 27: number of injuries we had. The other caveat to that

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Speaker 27: is we're at the end.

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Speaker 8: Of the seasons.

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Speaker 27: We do see in increased injuries towards the end of

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Speaker 27: seasons in professional sports as there's a fatigue factor that

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Speaker 27: plays in as well.

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Speaker 1: Makes sense.

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Speaker 3: Awesome insight as always, Doctor Adam Mesler from Worthos Sincy,

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Speaker 3: appreciate the time, man, Thanks so much.

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Speaker 8: Always a pleasure, Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 3: All right, there you go, Doctor Adam Mesler from Ortho Sincy.

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Speaker 3: I say it every week because it's true. The great

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Speaker 3: thing about Orthosincy is they have specialists and locations all

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01:40:23,160 --> 01:40:26,080
Speaker 3: over the Tri State. This includes walk in orthopedic urgent

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Speaker 3: care weekdays from nine a m. To nine pm and

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Speaker 3: This report is stuff at six oh five on ESPN

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Speaker 3: fifteen thirty. Don't forget Bengals and Dolphins on Sunday Live

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Speaker 3: on ESPN fifteen thirty. Chances are you do not need

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Speaker 3: me to remind you of this, but it's no longer

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Speaker 3: a night game. It kicks off at one o'clock pregame

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Speaker 3: coverage at nine oh five. I attempted to do this

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Speaker 3: segment that I'm about to do now yesterday, and I

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Speaker 3: think I did it poorly, But I think it's something

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Speaker 3: we're talking about, so I'm going to take another stab

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Speaker 3: at it, so to speak. So the Bengals aren't making

1978
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Speaker 3: wholesale changes to their coaching staff and not make a

1979
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Speaker 3: change in the front office as it relates specifically to

1980
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Speaker 3: Duke Tobin, and that's not a surprise. I think that

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Speaker 3: is the overarching takeaway from Paul Danner Junior's piece yesterday.

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Speaker 3: They're not going to be firings, not going to be

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Speaker 3: among the bigger name folks, Duke Zach Al. Maybe there's

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Speaker 3: a position coach or two that gets wopped out, but

1985
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Speaker 3: don't expect firings, don't expect mass firings. Don't expect Zach

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Speaker 3: Taylor to be cut loose, don't expect Tobin to be

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Speaker 3: cut loose.

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Speaker 1: And maybe that changes.

1989
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Speaker 3: Maybe there's a meltdown over these final three games that

1990
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Speaker 3: puts ownership at a place where they decide we're moving on,

1991
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Speaker 3: We're changing our mind, we're moving on.

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Speaker 1: Maybe.

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Speaker 3: My colleague and friend, Austin Elmore asked this question yesterday,

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Speaker 3: which is basically, if you're not if you're not firing people,

1995
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Speaker 3: then what changes can we expect? That's not exactly how

1996
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Speaker 3: he put it, but essentially, if change doesn't equal, then

1997
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Speaker 3: what can change with the same people in place that

1998
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Speaker 3: have overseen this disaster? Can we expect? And it's a

1999
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Speaker 3: fair question. It is the question of the offseason. I guess,

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Speaker 3: along with like how do you make Joe Burrow happy?

2001
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Speaker 3: You can change your organization can change without wholesale firings.

2002
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Speaker 3: You know, people do evolve. Organizations do evolve. College basketball,

2003
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Speaker 3: remember when Mike Krzyzewski was kind of anti One and Dons.

2004
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Speaker 3: Remember that, and then he saw the success that John

2005
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Speaker 3: Caliperry at Kentucky and other schools were having and he's like,

2006
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Speaker 3: you know what, need to embrace One and Dons. He

2007
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Speaker 3: embraced One and Dons. He won a national championship. So

2008
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Speaker 3: people do evolve. The Bengals have done this. They dove

2009
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Speaker 3: headfirst into free agency in twenty twenty after never really

2010
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Speaker 3: diving head first before. Now they kind of had to,

2011
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Speaker 3: but they did so you can have peoples. Ball teams

2012
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Speaker 3: have had to do this. There are baseball teams that

2013
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Speaker 3: fifteen years ago are like analytics, and now some of

2014
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Speaker 3: the same people in the same positions are fully into

2015
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Speaker 3: analytics because they see its value. So maybe there's evolution here.

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Speaker 3: I think change comes in the form. You know, everybody

2017
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Speaker 3: with the team right now is going to talk about alignment.

2018
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Speaker 3: Zach is aligned with Duke, and Zach and Duke are

2019
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Speaker 3: in alignment with ownership. I don't know if I agree

2020
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Speaker 3: with that now, I'm not there every day. But do

2021
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Speaker 3: you think Zach Taylor has wanted the Bengals to go

2022
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Speaker 3: through these protracted contract negotiations? Do you think Zach Taylor

2023
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Speaker 3: has wanted these holdouts or hold ins? Do you really

2024
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Speaker 3: think and I'm not excusing Zach Taylor here, but do

2025
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Speaker 3: you really think Zach Taylor and Al Golden one of

2026
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Speaker 3: the Bengals to do nothing to their defense this offseason?

2027
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna guess that Zach was not that interested in

2028
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Speaker 3: the endless contracts, wobbles and drawn out negotiations and just

2029
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Speaker 3: all field drama that has seemed to dominate this franchise

2030
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Speaker 3: over the last couple of years. I would be willing

2031
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Speaker 3: to bet that if you did a deep dive into

2032
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Speaker 3: how the Bengals have approached the roster and personnel, I

2033
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Speaker 3: would bet we would find out that the alignment isn't

2034
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Speaker 3: what it is with some of the more consistently successful franchises.

2035
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Speaker 3: That doesn't mean that everybody has to agree on everything,

2036
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Speaker 3: but again, just look at how things played out this year.

2037
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Speaker 3: Could they change in how they evaluate prospects? You know,

2038
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Speaker 3: Shamar Stewart's at the epicenter of this may still end

2039
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Speaker 3: up being a terrific player, but he is kind of

2040
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Speaker 3: at the center of the traits versus production discussion, which

2041
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Speaker 3: the Bengals are a little bit more inclined perhaps to

2042
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Speaker 3: look at the measurables with the tape measure shows and

2043
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Speaker 3: not with the film shows.

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Speaker 1: Does that change? Maybe it does.

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Speaker 3: Maybe, And here's the one that I'm pretty sure is

2046
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Speaker 3: not going to happen, but maybe a serious evaluation as

2047
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Speaker 3: to how the offense functions to make it run more efficiently.

2048
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Speaker 3: Go back to Game one of the season. The whole

2049
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Speaker 3: thing was clunky year seven head coach, year six quarterback

2050
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Speaker 3: having a hard time getting the play in. Look at

2051
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Speaker 3: the game this past Sunday they're down seventeen points, look

2052
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Speaker 3: like they were going through a walkthrough, look like an

2053
01:46:14,680 --> 01:46:17,000
Speaker 3: August game, look like they were winning the game by

2054
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Speaker 3: thirty one points. Nobody in the headset to go, hey,

2055
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Speaker 3: let's pick it up here. Despite the personnel, despite Joe

2056
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Speaker 3: Burrow's greatness, there have been times where we have seen

2057
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Speaker 3: these long, offensive lalls. I'm not talking about play calling

2058
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Speaker 3: play calling. I'm not qualified to talk about play calling,

2059
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Speaker 3: but I could talk about efficiency and overall function. Is

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Speaker 3: there a way to be more efficient and function better?

2061
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Speaker 3: And does it involve Zach Taylor giving up play calling duties?

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Speaker 3: You can change, You can change and not fire people

2063
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Speaker 3: by adding people. Now you're probably very skeptical that this

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Speaker 3: will happen, and to a degree I am as well.

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Speaker 3: But you can add scouts, analysts, you can add evaluators,

2066
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Speaker 3: you can add people. You can add good qualified, smart

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Speaker 3: people and give them a say and give them a

2068
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Speaker 3: voice when it comes to hard decisions. Again, I think

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Speaker 3: I listed a few things here. You may expect the

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Speaker 3: Bengals to do none of this stuff. I kind of

2071
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Speaker 3: don't expect them to do most of it. But if

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Speaker 3: the answer if the question is how do you change

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Speaker 3: without firing people.

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Speaker 1: There are ways.

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Speaker 3: You're asking Duke Tobin and Zach Taylor to work more

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Speaker 3: in concert with each other. You're acting, You're asking everybody

2077
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Speaker 3: involved to be more aligned. You're asking them to perhaps

2078
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Speaker 3: prioritize different things and do their jobs differently.

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Speaker 1: It sounds easy. I don't know that it is, but

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Speaker 1: it is possible.

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Speaker 3: We're done. Bengals game plan is next. I am off

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Speaker 3: the rest of the week, back on Monday for the

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Speaker 3: Tony and Mo Football Show at Twin Peaks in Florence.

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Speaker 3: So have a great night and I'll talk to you

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Speaker 3: here on Monday. This is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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