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Speaker 1: Joining me now from the Post Gazette. Always great to

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Speaker 1: talk to columnist Paul's Ice. Paul, the Penguins ain't look

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Speaker 1: so good lately. What's your take on where they're at

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Speaker 1: and where the season's headed.

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Speaker 2: Well, I kind of felt like last night was an

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Speaker 2: important game for them, even though you know, they still

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Speaker 2: got eleven games left and they're still in playoff position.

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Speaker 2: I kind of felt like they needed to come away

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Speaker 2: with a point last night, just giving what all that

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Speaker 2: is going around, you know, going on around them. So,

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Speaker 2: you know, I mean, I kind of feel like they're

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Speaker 2: still going to be in the playoffs. I still feel

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Speaker 2: like they're in a pretty good position. But boy, you know,

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Speaker 2: two weeks ago, it felt like they're definitely gonna make

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Speaker 2: the playoffs. Now there's probably a question.

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Speaker 1: What's frustrating me is a Penguins guy, is the goaltending.

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Speaker 1: They've a lot of three goals or more, and ten

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Speaker 1: of the last twelve games shell offs a lot four

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Speaker 1: goals on sixteen shots in the first period last night,

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Speaker 1: And that's a lot of shots, Paul, but it's also

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Speaker 1: a lot of goals. I've been stumping for more shot

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Speaker 1: to get called up from Wilkes where he's been, you know,

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Speaker 1: dominating the AHL. But I know they won't do it,

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Speaker 1: and I kind of get why they won't do it,

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Speaker 1: But I would do it.

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Speaker 2: What about you, Well, I mean I heard you talking

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Speaker 2: most important thing Mark is I don't know that either

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Speaker 2: of the two goalies that they have have enough a

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Speaker 2: track record where you'd say, well, you know, one of

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Speaker 2: these guys is going to figure it out. I mean

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Speaker 2: it could be Mark, where these two guys have basically

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Speaker 2: played way above their heads for most of the season

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Speaker 2: and now you know what I mean, Like if you

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Speaker 2: look at it, now, you're looking at it and basically saying,

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Speaker 2: maybe they're starting to figure out who they actually are.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know that. I think you. I don't

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Speaker 2: because I think he's probably the best goalie in their system.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I would do, but I just know

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Speaker 1: they will not. I want to touch on the Pirates

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Speaker 1: a bit. I know the Pirates are going to be better.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you agree, but how much better will they be?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think people are losing their minds when they're

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Speaker 2: talking about the Pirates. I's seventy two wins last year.

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Speaker 3: Mark.

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Speaker 2: To go to eighty six or eighty seven, that would

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Speaker 2: be an absolutely ridiculous sort of you know, a difference.

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Speaker 1: Almost no team makes a jump like that exactly.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like they jump. I would put

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Speaker 2: a ceiling on a jump at like seven wins, which

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Speaker 2: means seventy eight to seventy nine wins is probably where

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Speaker 2: they're at. I know that people don't want to hear that,

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Speaker 2: but the bottom line is that's probably what this team

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Speaker 2: is at their ceiling. And the reason I know that

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Speaker 2: mark is because the last time I looked in Vegas,

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Speaker 2: the guys in Vegas they're saying seventy seven and a

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Speaker 2: half is what they're over under. Is so I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if they get to like eighty two eighty

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Speaker 2: three wins, it would actually be I would say, very

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Speaker 2: surprise to me. Seventy eight seventy nine is probably the max.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I predicted seventy seven. I mean, you know, two

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Speaker 1: wins either way would not surprise me. And the optimism

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Speaker 1: is so based on Skeens and he's the best pitcher

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Speaker 1: in baseball.

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Speaker 4: We know that but he can't pitch every game.

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Speaker 1: And last year he pitched thirty two times thirty two starts,

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Speaker 1: I should say, and they only won seventeen of those.

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Speaker 1: So I feel like the burden of proof ain't on

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Speaker 1: him more than than it ever has been since joining

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Speaker 1: the Pirates.

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Speaker 2: And Ashcraft right and Bobba Chanvlar, I mean, what is

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Speaker 2: their track record that everybody's predicting they're going to be

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Speaker 2: great as well? So to me? And Mitch Keller is

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Speaker 2: who he is, and car Carvin Motsiski is who he is,

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Speaker 2: so to me, I mean, I think their pitching staff

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Speaker 2: with you Mark, I mean, I don't know what Paul skins.

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Speaker 2: I assume that he's going to be really good, But

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Speaker 2: the rest of that staff, I don't know how you

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Speaker 2: just from the standpoint of one of them has been

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Speaker 2: incredibly inconsistent in his entire career. The other three really

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Speaker 1: Now, I want to talk Steeler draft from it, and

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Speaker 1: first off, that draft's going to be an excreman show.

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Speaker 5: Isn't it.

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Speaker 4: We're all going to be miserable. There's going to be

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Speaker 2: Well, when I'm looking at places that aren't even really

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Speaker 2: all that close to the North Shore that are going

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Speaker 2: I agree with you, and and ubers are just going

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Speaker 2: and if you try and take the tea in, it's

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Speaker 2: going to be crowded. I mean, mark every And here's

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Speaker 2: the other thing. And I'm not going to say the

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Speaker 2: whole thing is basically really not been really well that

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Speaker 2: you know, fought out. But I mean it'll be a

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Speaker 2: great event for Pittsburgh. I suppose, I don't.

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Speaker 1: Know, Uh, the Steelers are gonna have a forty two

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Speaker 1: year old quarterback, presuming Rogers comes back, doesn't that mean

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Speaker 1: that they have to draft the guy who can help

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Speaker 4: And if that's the case. If you agree, what position

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Speaker 4: should that be at?

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Speaker 2: Well, right now, I mean I think their biggest need

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Speaker 2: is left tackle. I mean, you don't know what you're

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Speaker 2: left tackle is number one. Number two I would say

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Speaker 2: need a second quarter. So those are the three positions

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Speaker 2: that they need to make sure that they go out

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Speaker 2: and get in this draft because or even sign if

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Speaker 2: they've got a chance to sign the guys, because to me,

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Speaker 2: that's not Those are the three positions of the most

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Speaker 2: glaring holes on this team, assuming Aaron Rodgers is coming back.

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Speaker 1: Now, I want to ask you about something you tweeted

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Speaker 1: about that I found very interesting. Eleven of the last

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Speaker 1: twelve boys basketball state championships have been from Catholic or

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Speaker 1: private schools. How can the piua A fix that? And

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean my point is, Mark, I've never thought

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Speaker 2: how about get rid of all transfer rules so all

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Speaker 2: the public schools are on the same level as all

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Speaker 2: of the you know, private schools, and then then there's

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Speaker 2: you know, and mark you way back into different life.

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Speaker 2: Used to cover high schools, right, you know, the whippiel

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Speaker 2: and PIAA would never go for that because of course, uh,

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Speaker 2: they're always trying to protect their their their favorite sons

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Speaker 2: and you know, certain public schools. But to me, it's like,

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Speaker 2: if you really want the easiest fix, the easiest fix

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Speaker 2: to me is this just basically say we're gonna get

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Speaker 1: Right, no transfer restrictions anywhere, because like Catholic schools, private

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Speaker 1: schools they can recruit and public schools do and sometimes

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Speaker 1: they get caught, sometimes they don't. So just throw it

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Speaker 1: wide open because you're never going to really control it,

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Speaker 2: And I think the other part of the Mark that

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Speaker 2: that really bothers me is that there's this idea that

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Speaker 2: to control where a kid goes to high school. I mean,

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Speaker 2: my thing is, if I have if I'm in a

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Speaker 2: high school and the math program is deficient, guess what

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Speaker 2: I should be able to go to? Whatever high school

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Speaker 2: I want to find the best math program. Why shouldn't

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Speaker 2: be the same for or for basketball, for football. And

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Speaker 2: here's the other thing I find amazing, Mark, do you

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Speaker 2: ever notice how these discussions never happen about volleyball or

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Speaker 2: soccer or any of these other sports. It's always basketball

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Speaker 2: and football, you know, So that tells you.

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Speaker 5: Everything you need to know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, my point is, why not just let you know,

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Speaker 2: let players decide, and if they're going to pick up

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Speaker 5: Them do that.

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Speaker 1: And it's been suggested you have a separate league for

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Speaker 1: private and public. That doesn't work either because there's not

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Speaker 4: It wouldn't work out like people think, is what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: No, it wouldn't because most mark these like private public

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Speaker 2: school debates after the states championships every year are really

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Speaker 2: targeted at about five or six schools, maybe seven or eight,

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Speaker 2: let's face it, but most of the cap schools, in

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Speaker 2: lot of money. They're not recruiting people. You know, nobody

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Speaker 2: the Catholic schools and the private schools that get killed

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Speaker 2: the playoffs. It's really about those, you know what, and

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Speaker 2: it's around here.

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Speaker 1: It's really about Central Catholic and football, isn't it.

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Speaker 5: And that's it.

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Speaker 2: Let's I mean exactly right, it's about Central Catholic and football.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you look in basketball, I mean, really

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Speaker 2: the South Girls, which last time I tack, that's a

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Speaker 2: public school. They just won back to back state championships.

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Speaker 2: So you know, nobody wants to talk about really the

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Speaker 2: fact that most of these private schools, they don't have

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Speaker 2: Central Catholic. Maybe to a lesser to read, talk about

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Speaker 1: Paul, what's the big story in March madness right now?

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Speaker 1: Because there's no mid majors? Clearly, the way NIL and

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Speaker 1: the transfer portal have evolved, the mid majors just serve

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Speaker 1: now to feed players to the Power Conference schools like

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Speaker 1: Robert Morris's best player keeps leaving.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Robert Morris has become basically a fear program.

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Speaker 2: But still have all these mid majors. And that's sort

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Speaker 2: of the way it is. But what did you think

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Speaker 2: was gonna happen when you said we could legally start

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Speaker 2: to pay players. The teams that can afford to pay players,

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Speaker 2: we're going to start to take the best players out there.

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Speaker 2: To me, I think the biggest thing is you've got

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Speaker 2: these you know, smaller schools because their edge used to

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Speaker 1: Paul is always great stuff, a lot of variety, good analysis.

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Speaker 4: And we'll talk again next week.

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Speaker 2: All right, my man, I'll talk to you soon.

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Speaker 4: That's the great Paul's ice. I'm Mark Madden.

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Speaker 1: We've got Jonathan Bumboi at the bottom of the hour

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Speaker 1: talking hockey. Let's get some calls and we've not taken

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Speaker 1: your prediction for how many wins for the Pirates. Uh,

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Speaker 1: And should they just take somebody who can help right now?

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Speaker 1: Because you've got a forty two year old quarterback. Just

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Speaker 4: Let's go to James, James Roman double.

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Speaker 3: M Hey, Mark, how you doing great? In response to

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Speaker 3: twofold answer. Will it help the team and will it

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Speaker 3: not sure if it would really help the team solve

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you see that's just silly because you're saying

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Speaker 1: You're right at one, But he might stop more pucks,

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Speaker 3: True, But I was getting to my second point on

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Speaker 3: that is will it help his future development playing in

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Speaker 3: the bonus of what he can do in terms of

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Speaker 1: See, I don't like hearing this stuff. I keep hearing

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Speaker 1: the same thing about Connor Griffin. Okay, if morishot would

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Speaker 4: Would it wreck his psyche?

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Speaker 1: I don't think what He was up here for five

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Speaker 4: Bad overtime goal.

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Speaker 1: I remember that, but his stats were way better than

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Speaker 1: same with Connor Griffin. If he hit poorly and had

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Speaker 1: to go back to triple A. I just don't think

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Speaker 1: that would wreck him. And right now, do you want

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Speaker 1: to make the playoffs or not?

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Speaker 3: Yes, I definitely do want to make the playoffs. I

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Speaker 3: was thinking in terms of the pressure of such a

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Speaker 3: a little different. But I see your point.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, in nineteen seventy one and this is

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Speaker 1: an old man talking, the Canadians brought up Ken Dryden

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Speaker 1: the Stanley Cup. Am I saying that Morrishoff is the

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Speaker 1: next stretch Jack, he said, only half jokingly. But I'd

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Speaker 1: like to see him make the playoffs. And it's not

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Speaker 1: like this always fails when you do it. What if

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Speaker 1: he comes up here and he sparkles and then you

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Speaker 1: know already number one goalie.

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Speaker 4: Let's go to.

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Speaker 5: Don what I what I mine?

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Speaker 6: Hey, Yes, I don't think the Guinos are going to

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Speaker 6: make the playoffs for three reasons. But the number one

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Speaker 6: reason is the selfishness of Geno Malcony.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's stupid. Anything else, how is you mean him?

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Speaker 1: The suspension?

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Speaker 6: Suspension and now he's injured.

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Speaker 1: Guy, he's not injured because he's selfish. And they went

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Speaker 1: to one and two during the suspension. Now, don't get

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Speaker 1: and he was an idiot for doing that. You're right, selfish,

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Speaker 1: I agree, But they survived it, so that won't be

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Speaker 1: the number one reason. It could be a reason and

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Speaker 1: reasons do you got?

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Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, I agree with that, I said. Lack of identity.

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Speaker 6: I don't think the Pens know really who they are.

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Speaker 6: Ottawa knows how to beat us, especially in their barn.

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Speaker 1: I think this Penguins don't know who they are. Not

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Speaker 1: And you're right, they want to be who they used

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Speaker 1: to be. They don't and this has been the Penguins

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Speaker 4: They do not see themselves as they really are.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. Absolutely, the third is goaltending. So to your point,

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Speaker 6: I call it Mershap. You got nothing else to lose,

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Speaker 6: give him a shot. Can't get any worse.

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Speaker 1: I always hate when people say it can't get any worse.

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Speaker 1: But I think he's a superstar goalie in the making,

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Speaker 1: and let's see if he's already made.

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Speaker 1: My big debate is and has been, should the Penguins

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Speaker 1: call up morrishof with the goaltending fading?

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Speaker 4: What are the pros and cons of that?

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Speaker 5: Well, the first thing that comes to mind is it's not.

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Speaker 5: You know, it's not an outrageous idea.

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Speaker 7: I mean, teams call up relatively inexperienced goaltenders late in

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Speaker 5: This is a thing that happens all the time. I mean,

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Speaker 5: you saw it with that, for God's sake.

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Speaker 7: So first of all, say, you know, it's not If

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Speaker 7: this isn't necessarily a panic move, I think it's it

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Speaker 7: something that because here's the thing, right, goaltending runs hot

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Speaker 7: How many goalies are there in the league that don't,

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Speaker 7: Like maybe none, I mean so right now it's probably none. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: I mean like Hellabuck has his down times, Soroken has

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Speaker 7: really don't want to have a cold one in March,

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Speaker 7: which it But you know, first of all, I would

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Speaker 7: maybe like I mean ten games something like that.

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Speaker 5: I don't know about that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Skinner has not been good since the beginning

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Speaker 4: She loves better, but he was awful last night.

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Speaker 5: He was.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, the goaltending was no good last night, no doubt

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Speaker 7: about it. And she loves was actually pretty bad at

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Speaker 7: I mean, I will say this, they Skinners, she loves

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Speaker 7: both have like good reputations for playing in big situations,

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Speaker 5: I mean, Skinner's been to the finals last two years.

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Speaker 5: She loves one. I called her cup last year. She

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Speaker 5: loves plays. You know, when he plays internationally.

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Speaker 7: Every team is better than his and he's he's one

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Speaker 7: of those guys that makes you know, fifty eight saves

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Speaker 5: He's one of those dudes. So you know, there are.

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Speaker 7: Indications that these are the kind of guys you want

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Speaker 5: But I mean that they're inconsistent, you know. I mean,

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Speaker 7: But the idea that you can just sit around and

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Speaker 7: when you have a really good goalie in the minors,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, my point is you pretty much said there's an

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Speaker 1: Connor Clifton, etc. But Dubas and Muse still have a

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 1: Are the Stars playing well enough? Carlson certainly is, even

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Speaker 1: last night he made some plays. Well.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Carlson's been a revelation.

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Speaker 7: And it's funny when they had the stretch where Crowsby

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Speaker 7: played his best games, but he's been all right.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 5: I think that.

440
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Speaker 7: I think the forwards as a group, I think have

441
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Speaker 7: been fine. I think what you're identifying here is that

442
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Speaker 7: you've got some defensive issues in the last you know,

443
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Speaker 7: couple of weeks. I don't think I don't think the

444
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Speaker 7: fact that Koolak being gone, I don't think that's a coincidence.

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Speaker 5: I think that he.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I think they probably played some of

447
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Speaker 7: their best defensive hockey of the season when he was

448
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Speaker 7: when he was in the lineup.

449
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Speaker 5: And I understand what you're doing. I mean, you're not

450
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Speaker 5: you're not making moves for now.

451
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Speaker 7: You're making move You got a second round pick out

452
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Speaker 7: of it, you gotta and you've got a young, you know,

453
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Speaker 7: puck moving defenseman.

454
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Speaker 5: Who's under contract.

455
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Speaker 7: But you know, the reality is is that this team,

456
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Speaker 7: the decor has from the beginning of the season, we

457
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Speaker 7: could have identified that it was going to be the

458
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Speaker 7: weak point. I mean, let's be honest, and and where

459
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Speaker 7: they're at their weakest is when they have to spend

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Speaker 7: time defending in their own Now that's true of any

461
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Speaker 7: defense corps, of course.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you want to get out of the zone

463
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Speaker 5: as soon as you can, but.

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Speaker 7: There are situations in games where you're just going to

465
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Speaker 7: be hemmed in and I don't think I mean, these

466
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Speaker 7: guys don't.

467
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Speaker 5: Really excel in those type of situations. Cool Ack does.

468
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Speaker 5: So you have a guy like that, and like I said,

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Speaker 5: I understand it, but you.

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Speaker 1: Know, too Hard would be that kind of guy and

471
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Speaker 1: his style is, but his execution is not. And boy,

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Speaker 1: I can't remember a defense when that is small and

473
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Speaker 1: plays that much smaller.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean he doesn't when you're when you're you know,

475
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Speaker 7: stuck in your own end for an extended shift.

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Speaker 5: He's not the kind of guy you want there. He's

477
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Speaker 5: the kind of guy that gets you out of that situation.

478
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Speaker 7: And that is what the you know, that's what modern

479
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Speaker 7: defense is built on, is not being in those situations.

480
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Speaker 7: But you know what, sometimes you are and that's why

481
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Speaker 7: Brett Cooleck still has a job and still makes money

482
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Speaker 7: that he does.

483
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Speaker 1: And Colorado loves him, by the way, nothing not to

484
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Speaker 1: love he's I mean he can partner mclar I mean

485
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Speaker 1: they usually use Taves there, but he's just he's a

486
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Speaker 1: Swiss army knife.

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Speaker 4: I thought the Tang was a lot better.

488
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Speaker 5: When he was.

489
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Speaker 1: It's the best Latang has played was when he partnered

490
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Speaker 1: up this year with Klec. We're talking to Jonathan BOONBULLI

491
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Speaker 1: the trip here on the Mark Madden Show. Well they

492
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Speaker 1: make the playoffs, that's the basic question. You're third in

493
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Speaker 1: the metro right now. It doesn't feel good. But then again,

494
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Speaker 1: they only have to be five, one of five out

495
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Speaker 1: of seven teams competing for those playoff spots, and it's

496
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Speaker 1: probably stupid to assume that the other six will all

497
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Speaker 1: do better the other.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the other six will all do better.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, you were expecting somebody to fall off

500
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Speaker 7: the pace and then they really haven't. So that's that's

501
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Speaker 7: surprising in and of itself. I think the Islanders are

502
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Speaker 7: more likely to fall off the pace than the Blue Jackets,

503
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Speaker 7: just because ever since the coaching change, Columbus has been

504
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Speaker 7: a different team. I think that the Penguin schedule gets

505
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Speaker 7: you know, it's the next few games are tough, but

506
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Speaker 7: then it lightens up after that.

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Speaker 5: So you're you're kind.

508
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Speaker 7: Of in a situation like you were heading into that

509
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Speaker 7: long road trip without Crosby, where you need to keep

510
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Speaker 7: your head above water for the next five games and

511
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Speaker 7: then your last six. I believe their last six are

512
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Speaker 7: against teams that are out of the playoff position right now.

513
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Speaker 7: So in these next five or the you know, the

514
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Speaker 7: interest one starting with Ottawa. Ottawa was playing really good hockey,

515
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Speaker 7: so you know there's a Dallas in there, and there's

516
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Speaker 7: an Islanders in there.

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Speaker 5: There's I think.

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Speaker 1: You really gotta beat Ottawa because after the Dallas game,

519
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Speaker 1: the schedule gets I don't want to say easy, but easier.

520
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Speaker 1: The opponents aren't as good, that's right. But if you

521
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Speaker 1: lose to Ottawa, you're probably going to lose to Dallas.

522
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Speaker 1: Then you've lost four in a row and maybe at

523
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Speaker 1: that point it doesn't matter how easy the upcoming games are.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, if you would look at the next

525
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Speaker 7: five and you identify one you'd like, you know, you

526
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Speaker 7: could see yourself winning Ottawa was one of them. Not that,

527
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Speaker 7: but you know, I hesitated to say that because Autowa

528
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Speaker 7: is playing some good hockey. But I actually think that

529
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Speaker 7: the Penguins in that Colorado game that was probably more

530
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Speaker 7: of a momentum builder than a momentum killer because of

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Speaker 7: the way that they created offense. I mean, they didn't

532
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Speaker 7: score a lot of goals, but they you know, they

533
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Speaker 7: were they were creating offense. You know, they kept up

534
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Speaker 7: in terms of chances with Colorado, and I think they didn't.

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Speaker 7: They felt like they played pretty bad against Carolina in

536
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Speaker 7: the last meeting, so they feel like they're on a

537
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Speaker 7: positive trajectory and they won't look like it, so you know,

538
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Speaker 7: Ottawa won't be expecting that necessarily. It sets up fairly

539
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Speaker 7: well for the Penguins.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, out of the next five, you know, you

541
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Speaker 5: got to two, two and one something like that.

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Speaker 7: Well you got to find the two somewhere, and maybe

543
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Speaker 7: Otto is the one where you do that.

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Speaker 1: Yet Auto was won four in a row, six out

545
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Speaker 1: of seven. They're in the playoff hunt two. I mean

546
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Speaker 1: it's they're young and fast. Yeah, certainly is not going

547
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Speaker 1: to be easy, but I want to get back to

548
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Speaker 1: Columbus and the Islanders. I do think Columbus is the

549
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Speaker 1: bigger threat of the two. I really don't love their roster,

550
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Speaker 1: but Bonus has gotten the most out of them, as

551
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Speaker 1: I think you could be expected, you know, after taking over.

552
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Speaker 1: And I really don't like the Islanders roster either, but

553
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Speaker 1: they've got Soroken and Shafer.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, to me, Columbus has goaltending too. I mean,

555
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Speaker 7: the Columbus is the is the sort of classic case

556
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Speaker 7: of a team that is, you know, has lots of

557
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Speaker 7: high draft picks because they haven't been good for a while,

558
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Speaker 7: and you start accumulating talent and accumulating talent and then

559
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 7: eventually it just kind of kicks in and it's it

560
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Speaker 7: happened along with the coaching change in this sense. But

561
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Speaker 7: you know, I mean that that team doesn't have household names,

562
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Speaker 7: but they have young guys who can play, and that's

563
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Speaker 7: that's a dangerous.

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Speaker 5: Opponent, especially in March. So I agree with you about

565
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Speaker 5: the Islanders.

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Speaker 7: I don't I don't really know if Shaffer is not involved,

567
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Speaker 7: I don't know how they score goals, but somehow they do.

568
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Speaker 7: And and but to me, they're they're When we talk

569
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Speaker 7: about the inconsistency of goaltending. I think that the Islanders

570
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Speaker 7: are completely at the mercy of the of the you know,

571
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Speaker 7: inconsistency of goaltending. If Sarrocan's running hot, they could beat anybody, anybody,

572
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Speaker 7: And if he's not, they look really you know, average.

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Speaker 4: Uh JB.

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Speaker 1: Why isn't chinakoff on the top power play? And I'm

575
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Speaker 1: actually encouraged. And he keep scoring with or without Gino,

576
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Speaker 1: whether they win or lose, whether or not he's on

577
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Speaker 1: PP one, he keeps scoring.

578
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Speaker 5: Yeah.

579
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Speaker 7: Man, he like when you got him, he thought like, boy,

580
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Speaker 7: that'd be a nice level addition, maybe a nice complimentary piece.

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Speaker 5: And he's like, is he their best forward right now? Yes?

582
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Speaker 5: I mean I don't know.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't think it's crazy to say that. So

584
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Speaker 7: when you get a guy who's putting up his points

585
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Speaker 7: primarily at five on five, I mean that's just a bonus.

586
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Speaker 7: But at some point that shot needs to be showcased

587
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 7: on the power play because what an amazing shot that

588
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Speaker 7: guy has. And and you know I'm not talking about necessarily.

589
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Speaker 7: You know, the classic of Vechkin Malkin setting up for

590
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 7: one timers in the dot. You give him a couple

591
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Speaker 7: of feet with that rist shot and he can.

592
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Speaker 5: Just blister one by a goalie.

593
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Speaker 7: So you know, the power play hasn't been a problem.

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Speaker 7: So I mean, I don't know that i'd go out

595
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Speaker 7: and try to fix things that aren't broken. But maybe

596
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Speaker 7: it's nice to have a guy like that in your

597
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Speaker 7: pocket if your power play does start to struggle, because

598
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Speaker 7: you could.

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Speaker 5: Man he can do a lot of things.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I just put him on it.

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Speaker 1: I mean your points well taken about not screwing up

602
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Speaker 1: what's been working. Then again, Gino's out and Manta went there,

603
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Speaker 1: Maybe Mantha's out. Maybe there's no choice now but to

604
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: use Chinakoff tomorrow in Ottawa, and maybe that will accidentally

605
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 1: be a good decision. But that's my one complaint about

606
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Speaker 1: the Penguin's culture JB to B Blunt. It's two veteran

607
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,360
Speaker 1: influenced in terms of the comfort of veterans, like they

608
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Speaker 1: just want like Raquel on the power play, even though

609
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Speaker 1: I how could you not think Chinahkoff would do more?

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Speaker 4: And I don't think they want Mirroshoff up because.

611
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Speaker 1: Chilov's and Skinner have earned it even though they've both

612
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Speaker 1: been here on fifteen minutes.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean.

614
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Speaker 7: Raquel the thought about the power play, you know, in

615
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Speaker 7: terms of Mantha Raquel or somebody is because Shinikov won't

616
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Speaker 7: necessarily go to the net like somebody has to be

617
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 7: around the front of the net there. So you know,

618
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Speaker 7: I sort of understand the Raquel appeal there to a degree.

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Speaker 5: I mean, he hasn't been.

620
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Speaker 7: Playing bad, you know lately. I thought he had some

621
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 7: bad stretches this season. I think he's coming out of

622
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 7: it a little bit. But bottom line is, I mean,

623
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Speaker 7: Senakov's got to be one of your five, or at

624
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 7: the very least, he's a he's a you know, break

625
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 7: glass in case of emergency.

626
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Speaker 5: Like not only that, I feel like when when he's.

627
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Speaker 7: On the ice, whether it's on the second power player

628
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 7: or whether it's just five on five, it feels like

629
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Speaker 7: his line mates are like trying to set him up.

630
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Speaker 7: They're like looking for him, right because because they know

631
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Speaker 7: how dangerous he can be. I think that's a cool

632
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Speaker 7: element to have with a guy who isn't you know,

633
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Speaker 7: Crosby or Malkin Based on you know what the Penguins, he's.

634
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Speaker 1: A go to goal scorer, which is something that's something

635
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Speaker 1: I mean, when's the last time they really had that

636
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: kind of guy with that big shot. He just said, Okay,

637
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: here it is, shoot it as much as you can.

638
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: In fact, my only complaint with Chinakough JB is that

639
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: there are games where he passes up shots which it

640
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: just shouldn't happen.

641
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Speaker 5: That's probably true. I mean, he's got to get more selfish.

642
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 7: I don't understand how he couldn't have been a useful.

643
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 5: Player anywhere because the skills we're talking about.

644
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Speaker 7: Like, it's not a matter of him being on a

645
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 7: hot streak, like he's he's got an amazing shot and

646
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 7: he's a great skater. Well that sort of stuff plays.

647
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 7: That always plays. So you know, I don't know what

648
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 7: happened with him in Columbus. Maybe he just wanted to

649
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 7: get the heck out of there. I'm not sure. But

650
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Speaker 7: they're lucky they have him because that's that's excitement. And

651
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 7: we talk about and it applies to Mrushoff too, And

652
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Speaker 7: it's the same ideas. When you've got a team that

653
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 7: is heavy in veterans like the Penguins are, when you

654
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Speaker 7: got some guys who like bring some real juice, young

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Speaker 7: guys that are like legit big timers like Shinikov and

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Speaker 7: like murashoff. You gotta you gotta lean into that because

657
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Speaker 7: that's what's gonna make this team go from ninth eighth

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Speaker 7: in the conference, limping into the playoffs to being some

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Speaker 7: kind of a contender. Again, those are the guys that

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Speaker 7: are going to be, you know, driving the bus when

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Speaker 7: they're you know, a legit contender.

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Speaker 1: It's too early to talk about this, JB. But let's

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Speaker 1: say they missed the playoffs. I think people don't realize

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Speaker 1: how cataclysmic that would make the off season because at

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Speaker 1: that point, you you're not going to keep Malkin. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Dubas I don't think wants to keep him now, But

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Speaker 1: if they missed the playoffs, why would you? And then

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Speaker 1: a lot of stuff could trickle down from there as

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Speaker 1: we know.

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Speaker 7: Well, I mean, I will say this, finish Knights in

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Speaker 7: the conference is literally the worst place you can finish.

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Speaker 1: It is the worst case scenario. Is anticipated even before

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Speaker 1: the season started.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it is the worst case scenario. I wouldn't make a.

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Speaker 7: I mean, I'm in the pro resigning Malcin camp and

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Speaker 7: the fact that they if they lose to Dallas and

677
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Speaker 7: Ottawa in March, it shouldn't make that decision for you

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Speaker 7: I think he's had a good year, and he's scoring

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Speaker 7: at a point per game. To me that the decisions

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Speaker 7: to make regarding him are all independent.

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Speaker 5: About he's playing. He's playing fine.

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Speaker 4: No, that's true. Yeah, but so but I will.

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Speaker 7: Say this, whether it's Malkin related or not, I mean,

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Speaker 7: it's a big off season because there's tons of cab

685
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Speaker 7: space and and you have tons of draft.

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Speaker 5: Picks, and and it's when you're when you.

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Speaker 7: Show some of the signs they've shown this season, which

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Speaker 7: is that they can be a pretty good team. You know,

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Speaker 7: at times, it's kind of probably time to put the

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Speaker 7: foot on the gas this offseason because you have all

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Speaker 7: that cap space and you have all that capital to

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Speaker 7: make some deals.

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Speaker 5: It's time to reshape that decoor and get it to

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Speaker 5: look like a contending decor.

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Speaker 7: If you can pull off something like that in an

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Speaker 7: off season, you know, then you're you take this year.

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Speaker 4: Even if this year ends up.

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Speaker 7: In ninth place, it could be a building block, because

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Speaker 7: it was it was this team has shown better signs

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Speaker 7: than the last two teams have and and so obviously

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Speaker 7: I'm not saying there'd be a whole lot of silver.

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Speaker 5: Lining in a ninth place in the conference, it would

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Speaker 5: be bad.

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Speaker 7: But you know, if you do the right things in

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Speaker 7: the off season, you can use it as a building

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Speaker 7: block and.

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Speaker 5: Cool act trade aside.

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Speaker 7: You know, Dupis has has seemed like he is doing

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Speaker 7: a lot of the right thanks.

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Speaker 5: I mean, he has pushed a lot of the right buttons.

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Speaker 7: You you could theoretically finish ninth and feel good about

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Speaker 7: the future.

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Speaker 5: It'll be hard, I'm not saying that. You know that

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Speaker 5: a lot of people will have that sort of attitude.

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Speaker 1: JB is always great stuff. Thanks for the insight. We'll

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Speaker 1: talk again soon. Yeah, good to talk to you.

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Speaker 6: Mark.

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Speaker 1: That's Jonathan BUMBOI from the trip. Now it's time to

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Speaker 1: ask Mark anything. You know what that means you now

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Speaker 1: eight three three four one two wxdx eight three three

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Speaker 1: talk back via the microphone icon at the iHeartMedia app.

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Speaker 1: But it's time to ask Mark anything. One five ninety x.

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Speaker 1: Time to ask Mark anything.

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Speaker 1: of a billboard on Twitter. It says it's time for

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Speaker 1: been around. Uh, let's go to Jim in Soft Point,

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Speaker 1: Jim around with double M.

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Speaker 6: Hey, Mark, how you doing great?

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Speaker 5: Hey?

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Speaker 2: Just real quick.

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Speaker 8: First, I want to let you know that I knew

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Speaker 8: your mother back at North Hills High School and she

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Speaker 8: was a great lady. And I think it's great what

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Speaker 8: she do with the scholarship there.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we we just talked to the kids trying to

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Speaker 1: tell them how to apply for it. So yeah, very

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Speaker 1: pleased to be able to do that in my mother's memory.

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Speaker 1: And thank you for mentioning it. What else you got?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, So do you think the Penguins are giving any

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00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 8: thoughts to possibly call him mirshov up to even give

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Speaker 8: him a start?

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Speaker 1: And we've been talking about You've been talking about that

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Speaker 1: all day.

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Speaker 4: I would do it, for sure. I don't think they are.

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Speaker 4: For one thing.

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Speaker 1: I know how to put this, I'm not sure sure Dubis. No,

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00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: he wants to make the playoffs, but the plan wants

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00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: to leave morrishoff in Wilkes all year, and if they

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Speaker 1: didn't make the playoffs, I think it would be easier

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00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: to continue to implement his plan, but it's rather make

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Speaker 1: the playoffs.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, And I thought it's nothing else that you know,

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Speaker 8: he gets the looks in a high pressure situation. You

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Speaker 8: know these are essentially playoffs.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I have no doubt about what Morishoff could do

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Speaker 1: in a high pressure situation, and if he can't, that's

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Speaker 1: bad news for the franchise for the next ten years.

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Speaker 5: Thank you for the call.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if the Penalas make the playoffs, Kyle would feel

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Speaker 1: pressure to bring Malcolm back, which I don't think he

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Speaker 1: wants to.

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Speaker 5: Let's go to a talkback quick question.

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Speaker 9: Is Kyle Dubas's biggest mistake this year going to go

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00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 9: down as getting rid of Kulak for Gerard because it

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Speaker 9: seems like that might be the one little mistake.

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Speaker 5: That's going to cost him.

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Speaker 4: Well, No, it's definitely her.

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Speaker 1: Kulak had Latang playing his best hockey with Kulak partnering Latang,

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Speaker 1: but he got a second round picking that deal Girard

774
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: I thought was better than this. Haven't seen him play

775
00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 1: at Colorado, but he's just really small place small, tries

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00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: to do too much with the pockey's out of position

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Speaker 1: a lot, and I think he has Latang confused. I

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Speaker 1: think Kulak was a reliable partner for Latang and of

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00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: course Latang has to stand or fail in his own merits.

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Speaker 1: But you want him playing better than he You want

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Speaker 1: him playing as good as he did when he partnered Kulak.

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Speaker 4: Let's go to a talkback.

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Speaker 10: Hey, Mark, Eric and Toledo, Curious why you think Sullivan

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00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 10: has failed so spectaculary in New York.

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00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 5: Is it the players aren't that good?

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Speaker 10: Or is it his one style approach to coaching, one

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00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 10: size fits all system or is it a combination of both.

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Speaker 5: Thanks.

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Speaker 1: I haven't watched the Rangers enough to know what style

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Speaker 1: he's implementing. The times I have seen them, they haven't

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Speaker 1: been impressive. I don't think the GM Dreorry is a

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00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 1: very intelligent GM, and I don't think that team ever

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00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: was that good. I looked at the roster. It just

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00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: seemed like a bunch of guys who would be a

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Speaker 1: bad fit. And my suspicions have been correct. Let's go

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Speaker 1: to a talkback. Were you ever a Welcome Back Cotterer

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Speaker 1: fan and w KRP in Cincinnati?

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Speaker 5: And if so, which one had the better theme song? Uh?

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Speaker 1: Big fan of both, big fan of both theme songs.

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Speaker 1: I would say the WKRP theme song is better. I

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Speaker 1: mean those were on TV when I was a kid

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Speaker 1: right in my wheelhouse. My most memorable episodes, of course,

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Speaker 1: were the Sweat Hawk's Talent show for Welcome Back Cotter,

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Speaker 1: where John Travolda sang bab bab bab bab bab Barrino

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Speaker 1: and uh, of course WKRP.

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Speaker 4: The turkeys are hitting the ground like sacks of what cement?

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Speaker 4: As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly.

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Speaker 4: Let's go to grant.

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Speaker 3: Hi, Mark.

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Speaker 6: I was just wondering how you were able to get

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Speaker 6: Peer maguire on every Tuesday.

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Speaker 5: It's something I look forward to.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 4: I go way back with Pierre.

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Speaker 1: I mean, my buddy Mike Polomski was in town, him

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Speaker 1: and his twin brother Bill. I covered them when I

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00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 1: was with the Post Gazette. They held Mount Lebanon, win

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00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: the Penguins Cup high school championship and get to the

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Speaker 1: state final, and they later went on to play at

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Speaker 1: Saint Lawrence, where Pierre.

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Speaker 5: Was an assistant coach at the time.

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Speaker 1: And of course I knew Pierre when he joined the

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Speaker 1: Penguin organization for the two Stanley Cups in ninety one

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Speaker 1: and ninety two. So I go way back with Pierre,

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Speaker 1: and yeah, I think it's the best hockey radio done

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Speaker 1: anywhere in the in North America.

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Speaker 4: I really do.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I couldn't agree more.

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Speaker 6: We're special for having it.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for the call.

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Speaker 1: All right, up next, I'm gonna keep talking about the

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Speaker 1: Penguins goaltending. It may not be fair, but goaltending isn't

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Speaker 1: a fair position. Get your calls in if you'd like.

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Speaker 1: Eight three, three, four to one two WXDX. The Pirates

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Speaker 1: doing a nice thing to honor one of their all

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Speaker 1: time greats. I'll tell you about that just around the

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Speaker 1: corner as well. It's The Mark Mann Show one oh

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Speaker 1: five ninety x