1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Waiting in the Natty brought to you and Guy Postman 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:09,479 Speaker 1: Law and Vice. Skyline Chile on ESPN fifteen thirty is 3 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: the additional home of the Cincinnati. 4 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 2: Bet He's with Local twelve and Local twelve dot com. 5 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 2: He he joins us on Wednesdays Bengals play the Steelers 6 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 2: on on Sunday, Skinny is here. How's it going? 7 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 3: It's going? I mean Monday was the thing A couple 8 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 3: of us on the beat, I think believe when we 9 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 3: were asked to come down there a little bit early, 10 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 3: want to cut from moved up Zach Killer press conference 11 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,480 Speaker 3: if someone was getting fired, and boy were we wrong 12 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 3: in the news that we did get should have been 13 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 3: met with more than the shoulder shrug that I gave it. Like, Okay, 14 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I Joe Burrows great and all, 15 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 3: but U and bust somehow this defense gets better? Does it? 16 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 3: Is it gonna matter record wise? And does it matter 17 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 3: at all? Yeah? 18 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 2: And that's that's not your fault for shrugging your shoulders. 19 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 2: It's not my fault for shrugging my shoulders. It's the 20 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:57,959 Speaker 2: fault of this defense. 21 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 3: Yes, no, no, nout. I mean that's the thing. So 22 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 3: here in the second year, second half or after the 23 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 3: bye week. What's changing for the better. It's actually kind 24 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 3: of changing maybe for the worse. If Trey Henderson doesn't play. 25 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 3: He's already been announced as doubtful by Zach Taylor, which 26 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 3: what means he's not going to play. So can the 27 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 3: rookie linebackers take a step forward? Okay? Yeah? Maybe? Can 28 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 3: Miles Murphy show a pulse? Okay? Maybe can Geno Stone 29 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 3: and Jordan battle tackle? Okay? Maybe can Al Golden find 30 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 3: a magic elixistematically for his island of missed toys? Okay? Maybe? Boy, 31 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 3: that's a lot to hope for man and as we 32 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 3: always know, hope is hope is is not a plan. 33 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:44,320 Speaker 3: So again, I'm all for Joe Burrow coming back. I 34 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 3: just hope he's not coming back quarterbacking the three and 35 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 3: eight or if he comes back to the Buffalo game 36 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 3: a three and nine team and playing at the string 37 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,559 Speaker 3: in a losing season. At that point, all the thrill 38 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 3: of that wears off because guess what, that lingering issue 39 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 3: of this defense being awful lingers into the offseason, and 40 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 3: as I think we all know, this is not a 41 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 3: one off season SIXE. 42 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 2: At that point should he even play. 43 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 3: I say, yes, it's what he does for a living. 44 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 3: If he's fully and again i'll give you a caveat. 45 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 3: He's got to be fully healthy, not like I feel okay, 46 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 3: I feel good, I feel like I can play through this. No, 47 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 3: you feel one hundred percent fine and you go out 48 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 3: there and play. I I guarantee you if when he 49 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 3: if and when he does that, and I do think 50 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 3: he does that at some point, whether it's Buffalo game 51 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 3: or you know he's targeting that Thursday night Thanksgiving game. 52 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 3: I think for him it's just he's just so darn competitive. 53 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 3: He wants to play, but you gotta. And if there's 54 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 3: no guarantee, I mean, the guy can tell you I 55 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 3: feel great, and he shows himself great. He's not limping 56 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:42,959 Speaker 3: around because he's gritting his teeth. You know, hopefully doctors 57 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 3: can figure out if he's one hundred percent and he 58 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 3: can be honest. I think he needs to be honest here. 59 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 3: I'm one hundred percent, man, I'm good to go. I 60 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:50,399 Speaker 3: don't think he was ever honest with the cast situation, 61 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 3: and it lingered for a while, and so just be 62 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 3: honest here. If you're not good to go, and it's 63 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 3: a lost season. You don't need to push it. Man. 64 00:02:57,480 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 3: We'll pick this into the offseason and get you a 65 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 3: hundred percent by next year. But if he feels one 66 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 3: hundred percent and he wants to put four or five 67 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,799 Speaker 3: games more under his belt, more power to him. I 68 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 3: don't think anybody should blame him for that. 69 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 2: Would they use any of that time to change how 70 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 2: they play offensively? 71 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 3: That's a good question too, because it you know, we 72 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 3: talked about this when Jake Browning came in twenty twenty 73 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 3: three and went under center more and they did some 74 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 3: more play action stuff and some more bootleg stuff, and 75 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 3: they ran the ball better and all those things. I 76 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 3: sure hope. So you know, I know what he loves. 77 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:30,639 Speaker 3: I get that you want to cater to what he loves. 78 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 3: I mean, cater to what he loves. Got you almost 79 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 3: five thousand yards passing in forty three twenty sept the 80 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 3: last year. So that was great. And the offense isn't 81 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 3: the issue. And I think that's the thing. The offense 82 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 3: isn't the issue. It hasn't been the issue. Can it 83 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 3: be an issue in a single game occasionally? Sure? Can? 84 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 3: Can Joe being in the shot dollar time mean it 85 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 3: be a problem occasionally, sure, But when you're putting up 86 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 3: those kind of numbers and you know, you score thirty 87 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 3: three points or more and lose four games last year, 88 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 3: it's the defense man, that's what That's what is. I 89 00:03:58,000 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 3: just I wrote that today. This is all about, This 90 00:03:59,920 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 3: is about anything other than what does this defense show 91 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 3: us this week? What does it show us that it 92 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 3: does better? Does it tackle better? Does it watch the 93 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 3: passer better? Does it have to run better? And by better, 94 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 3: I mean I'm not talking about holding the Steelers to 95 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 3: ten points. By better, I'm just talking about keeping you 96 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 3: in the game for goodness sakes, and the offense not 97 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 3: having to go out and put up thirty five points 98 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 3: to forty points to win. Because that's as great a 99 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 3: Joe Flacko was playing, That's just not sustainable for any team. Again, 100 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:25,799 Speaker 3: we saw this last year with Joe Burrow playing quarterback. 101 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,679 Speaker 2: Is it time to refer to Shamar Stewart's rookie season 102 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 2: as a wash? 103 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 3: Yeah? I thought you were gonna use the word bus 104 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 3: and I hate to do that, Earli, so I'm glad 105 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 3: you didn't. I think the wash is a good word 106 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 3: for that. I don't think he's gonna play this week, 107 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 3: and who knows how long that's gonna be. I mean, 108 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 3: Zach said today, it's it's a week the week thing. 109 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 3: But he's played in five games, and in five games 110 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,840 Speaker 3: he has six tackles, two of them solo. Good for him. 111 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 3: He got two solo stops in five games, no quarterback sacks, 112 00:04:56,040 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 3: and one quarterback hit. Wash is a good word. I 113 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 3: just hope that we're not talking about him in terms 114 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 3: of Miles Murphy as next season Lingers and then then 115 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 3: season after that and we want to give it one 116 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 3: more old good college try. I just hope we're not there. 117 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 3: But I mean, again, this was this is the fear 118 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 3: for everybody of freak on tape can be freakish at times, 119 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 3: and things he does but just doesn't produce. I mean, 120 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 3: why would you go against what he did in college 121 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 3: and go, yeah, but he's got these traits. Okay, that's 122 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 3: all well and good. I love the traits too. I 123 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 3: love the traits in the third and he had a 124 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 3: first round grade, so I shouldn't ding him for that. 125 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 3: He did have a first round grade from a lot 126 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,359 Speaker 3: of people. But at what point you go, well, he 127 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 3: had a sack against Bowling Green in a sack against 128 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 3: Arkansas State or whoever it was. Boy, he's gonna sack college, 129 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 3: or if he's gonna sack NFL quarterbacks if he ain't 130 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 3: getting home in the SEC. And it's hard to get 131 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 3: home in the SEC, right, I mean, the NFL dudes 132 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 3: all over the place. What makes you think you're getting 133 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 3: home in college? I mean, excuse me in the pros. 134 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 2: So you know, we talk a lot about the fact 135 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 2: that Duke Tobin has in everybody cross and everybody's cross hairs, 136 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 2: and folks want to see. 137 00:05:58,720 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 3: I thought he was the one o'clock I thought he 138 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 3: was the one o'clock call. I really, you did, my 139 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 3: witness mow. I thought he was the one o'clock call. 140 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 2: You thought when when he got the call to come 141 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 2: down there that the Bengals had an announcement, you thought 142 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 2: it was going to be Duke Tobyn get let go? 143 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 3: I did. 144 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 2: Does that mean that you believe that is on the 145 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 2: table when the season ends? 146 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 3: I it means I think it should be. I think 147 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 3: I know I've written the piece that that's kind of 148 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:23,239 Speaker 3: called for his head and pointing the finger of blaming 149 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 3: him and night. I get you. You can people on 150 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 3: the flip side, can argue, you know, he built some 151 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 3: pretty good rosters in in you know, under the Marv, 152 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 3: in the Marvin Lewis era. I think Marvin had a 153 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 3: little more say so than Zach did when it came 154 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 3: to to draft and personnel and those things, and I 155 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 3: think he wrestled some of that away when Zach became 156 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 3: the head coach. And in fact, we had a coach 157 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 3: told us a couple of weeks and this wasn't off 158 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 3: the record, this is on the record that you know, 159 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 3: we asked where does the buck stop when it comes? 160 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 3: He goes, well, the buck stops at Duke Okay, that's 161 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 3: that's that's where the buck stops. We're gonna go with that. 162 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 3: The buck stops at Duke Tobin. So at what point 163 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:58,799 Speaker 3: do you say, yeah, man, we got to really fix 164 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 3: this defense, and we're gonna let you be the guy 165 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 3: to try to fix it. No, you've done all these 166 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 3: recent drafts have been with the knowledge that you're superstars 167 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 3: and you knew who they were Tea and Jamar and Joe, 168 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 3: and then you signed Orlando Brown for a nice piece 169 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 3: of change because you didn't have a left tackling I'm 170 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 3: fine with that, you went to the free age and 171 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 3: murder got probably the best guy available at the time, 172 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 3: and you're paying him accordingly. You started drafting on the 173 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 3: other side of the ball, knowing we gotta have guys 174 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 3: on rookie contracts before me, and none of them are 175 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 3: for the most part other than DJ Turner, and to 176 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 3: a degree that's still none of them, or in fact, 177 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 3: in some cases they're an unmitigated disaster. I'm not a 178 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 3: huge PFF guy. It has its place, right, but Demetrius Knight, 179 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 3: when I wrote a piece last week, was ranked eightieth 180 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 3: eighty two linebackers in the league from PFF, and Brett 181 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 3: Carter was ranked eighty two. You know, and your eyeballs 182 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 3: kind of see that, right, like, yeah, they're struggling. And again, 183 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 3: I'm gonna give him benefit of that. Two rookie flags 184 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 3: side by side. That shouldn't happen. Honestly, that shouldn't happen. 185 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 3: It did by default, and here we are. They have 186 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 3: to play few mistakes now again, that's the one that's 187 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 3: my one grown hope is that, Okay, these guys have 188 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 3: seen a bunch of things. They've had a week to 189 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 3: decompress where it's not prep, Prep, Prep, prepp. Let's go again, 190 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 3: Prep prep, prepp, Let's go again. So a week to 191 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 3: maybe even look at their own stuff and go, man, 192 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 3: I'm a mess, dup and this and this and this, 193 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 3: I'm capable of fix it. That's my one small hope 194 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 3: on defense is those two guys finally start to get it, because, 195 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 3: like I said, i'd like to see Jordan battle and 196 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 3: Gino Stone tackle. I've got two seasons worse of evidence 197 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 3: to shows they just are not going to do it. It 198 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 3: just doesn't happen. 199 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 2: Correct. 200 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 3: So, uh, you know, I've seen this pass rush look 201 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:33,959 Speaker 3: like literally velcro where they rush and they get stuck 202 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 3: on dudes, and it's not like a series here and 203 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 3: a down there and a series there and a series here. 204 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 3: They just get stuck. And oh, by the way, they're 205 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 3: out their best pass rusher this week in all likelihoods. 206 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:44,839 Speaker 3: So what makes me think that's going to be better? 207 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 3: I hope it is. I mean, don't get me wrong, 208 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 3: I know you hope it is. But I think we've 209 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 3: got a pretty good level of evidence, not over nine games, 210 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 3: but over two seasons worse that it's a lot of personnel. 211 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 2: Issues, correct. So what I was gonna ask, is you 212 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 2: mentioned looking at Shamar Stewart not seeing any production but 213 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 2: taking him because you love the measurables. If Duke Tobin 214 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 2: is still running things this offseason, could you see a 215 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 2: philosophical shift where they want to emphasize a little bit 216 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 2: more of what a guy actually does when he's on tape. 217 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 3: I sure, hope. So, I mean, I think you're starting 218 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 3: to get mounting evidence that traits don't don't really win 219 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,079 Speaker 3: a lot of times here that yeah, you gotta have try. 220 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 3: I mean, just because you had sixteen sacks at Army 221 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 3: per se as a six to two hundred and forty 222 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 3: five pound end, doesn't mean I need to take you 223 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 3: as a six two hundred and forty five pound end. 224 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 3: There was a kid a couple of years ago that 225 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 3: everybody fell in love with and he was a great 226 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 3: story and he had a bunch of sacks at Army, 227 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 3: but it's like too small, man. I get what he's done, 228 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 3: but he's just too small. That the flip side of 229 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 3: that is, though you know the pace kids from you see, 230 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 3: I mean, he was a munster, productive player in college 231 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:53,839 Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden every day and I'm like, yeah, 232 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 3: but he doesn't have any measurables whatsoever. And in some cases 233 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 3: that's fine. I'm brought a blank on the linebacker from 234 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 3: Miami many years ago. It was was a tackling machine, 235 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 3: was like five foot eleven. But I mean I should 236 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 3: remember the name. I just don't. And sometimes the measurables 237 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 3: you outplay the measurables, and those are the guys I'd 238 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 3: rather risk taking on the guys that outplay the measurables 239 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 3: and the guys that have the measurables and don't play 240 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 3: to that level. What makes you think they're gonna do 241 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 3: at a level higher. 242 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 2: It's a great question. I don't have the answer, but 243 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 2: thank you as aller man. 244 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 3: Hey, by the way, you see turn you see to 245 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 3: turn the ball over again? That's one what you know? 246 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:30,959 Speaker 2: Oh thanks, that's uh yeah, that's last night. 247 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, let's yeah. No, hey, listen, you win turn the 248 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:36,839 Speaker 3: ball over twenty four times by by a dozen points. 249 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 3: Good for you, Good for you. 250 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 2: That's right, skinny, thanks so much. 251 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 3: You bet think it much. 252 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 2: That's our guy. Richard Skinner from Local twelve and Local 253 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,839 Speaker 2: twelve dot com. Sports headlines are next on ESPN fifteen 254 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:47,199 Speaker 2: thirty