1 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: All right, here we go with drama in the National 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 1: Basketball Association. Free mafia families have ties to some figures 3 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: NBA players. You've got Chauncey Billups a coach, you got players. 4 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 1: It's incredible. It's like Tony Soprano, James Gandalfini has come 5 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: back to life with Polly Walnuts and and the rest 6 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: of the crew from the Sopranos, and like Jersey is 7 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:29,319 Speaker 1: representing today in the National Basketball Association. That's a huge 8 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: developing store. We're gonna have more in that coming up 9 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:32,880 Speaker 1: on the show on seven hundred w W. Because I 10 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: got feeling I could be wrong about this, but somebody's 11 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: gonna get whacked. Somebody is gonna get whacked. And when 12 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: whackings breakout, we break in here on seven hundred ww 13 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: Sloany and this morning. And this effects all of us too. 14 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: By the way, I just tell you a story about 15 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 1: social media and how they fed all the clickbait and 16 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: all this nonsense you read on social media into AI chatbots, 17 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: and it actually made aichat ai dummer and more angry, 18 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: which is it's measurable. That's computer imaginement's doing us. And 19 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: of all the things that keep you awakened. That may 20 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: be one thing. Some sixty to seventy million Americans have 21 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 1: chronic sleep deprivation, Twenty two of us have sleep apnea. 22 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: Twenty two million people have sleep apnea Insomnia effects. About 23 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: a third of the population and third of adults in 24 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 1: four and ten say they often feel or fall asleep 25 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: at work. And if you're a truck driver, that's really concerning. 26 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: Some jobs you probably can get away with. There are 27 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: times where I've admittedly fall asleep during the show and 28 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,759 Speaker 1: no one noticed. But truck drivers that is bad. You're 29 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: flying an airplane bad. You're probably in somebody's heart doing surgery. Bad. 30 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: Talk show, not so much. Sonjay Shaiva Crimani's on the 31 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: show This Morning's in the Air Physician at Doctor Sonjay 32 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: Sincy with a y or. He intersects the worlds of 33 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: food and health and fitness and jumps in the show 34 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: This Morning in studio this morning. How are you a coach? 35 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: How you doing doing well? Thanks for having I'm doing good, 36 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: Thanks for coming in this morning. Okay, so you're an 37 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: your air physician in Cincinnati, but you're also you're in 38 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: the fitness realm as well. You hear the story and 39 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: you probably see it a lot of sleep apnea presents, 40 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: and we know that you can get some very serious illness. 41 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: You can die from sleep apna. How much how many 42 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: undiagnosed the twenty two million, how many of those do 43 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 1: you think are undiagnosed? Like the bulk of them. 44 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 2: I think it's probably the bulk. So I mean, to 45 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 2: have the diagnosis, you kind of have to see a doctor, 46 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 2: have the studies done right. Right. And some people, you know, 47 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 2: are just getting slapped in the middle of the night 48 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,359 Speaker 2: by their partner in bed, being like you're snoring, when 49 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 2: it's actually it's something more serious than that, specifically sleep APNA. 50 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: Or you just go into another bedroom of the couch exactly, 51 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: you can't stand it. 52 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 2: That's a new thing. It's sleep divorce. Yeah, you've heard 53 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 2: of this thing. Yeah, yeah, that's a big deal. Yeah, 54 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 2: so people are starting to do that. But it's not 55 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 2: like divorcing because of sleep. It's just sleeping in separate areas. 56 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 2: But that might actually be your clue that maybe there's 57 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 2: something else going on other than you just can't sleep 58 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 2: well without the person or you can't stand your partner 59 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:48,679 Speaker 2: like it could be something worse. 60 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 1: Well, let's get how much how much of these sleep 61 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: problems that we have in America and affects most all 62 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: of us. I mean, they say get between eight you know, 63 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 1: eight hours of sleep? Is that an actual goal? Is 64 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: that a hard fast number? Is it different for different people? 65 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: So it's a pretty solid number. So seven to eight 66 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: hours is what we're shooting for. Something less than seven 67 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 1: does start adding up. In fact, your performance in general 68 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: kind of decreases over time. So I actually went to 69 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:15,119 Speaker 1: this Ted talk several years ago and the guy said, 70 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: you know, the first four hours of sleep is just 71 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: to restore your body. That's all you're doing. You're repairing 72 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: your body. But the next four hours is where your 73 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 1: brain regenerates. So like all that emotional stuff that you 74 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: need to face your day, you need to face the 75 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: struggles of your day, the challenges, like, that's what you 76 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: get in the next four hours, and you need those 77 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: next four hours, all of it to be your best 78 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: in those emotional situations. So yeah, we can survive, but 79 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: we are not the best versions of ourselves while we're 80 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: just surviving. If we're getting four to six hours of sleep, 81 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: it's ours seven and eight where we really get like 82 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: the maximum benefit can you make that up in the 83 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: weekend when some people go working really hard. And then 84 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: I mean, you know you're an eer doc, so you 85 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: were crazy. Do you sleep for like twelve hours? Is that? 86 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: Can you? 87 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 2: That would be a healthy right, excuse the pun, if 88 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 2: you can do that like a college. So the whole 89 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 2: idea of like banking sleep and getting it, there's there's 90 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 2: a little bit of benefit there, but it's not as 91 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 2: much as we think. It's the it's the daily kind 92 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 2: of thing we need to get and this is one 93 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 2: of those Yeah, you just nailed it. Like as an 94 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 2: er doc, my my schedule is crazy. It's days, it's nights, 95 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 2: it's weekends, it's all over the place. And so that's 96 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 2: why I hold sleep such in such importance in my 97 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 2: life because it's it's not good, but it is literally 98 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 2: the foundation of my well being and everything else. It 99 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 2: is the number one thing. And you can ask my fiance. 100 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 2: I'm almost obsessive about my sleep, right, But I need 101 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,919 Speaker 2: to be because it's thrown off so often that I 102 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 2: have to do whatever I can to maximize it so 103 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 2: I can be my best in every realm in my life. 104 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: And it's more like a shift work because you're you 105 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: know you're not. Hey, I'm not nine to five, yer, Doc. No, 106 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:48,359 Speaker 1: it's where they need you in different times and for 107 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:50,479 Speaker 1: twelve hours at a time, right, or maybe longer in 108 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 1: some cases. But that's true for a lot of people 109 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: who work second third shift. They wrote a cops do that, right. 110 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, And and it affects you over time. A lot 111 00:04:57,279 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 2: of people love working nights for for good reason. It's 112 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 2: usual a cooler vibe, right, But turning around or sleeping 113 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 2: during the day, it's just not what our bodies were 114 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 2: built to do. And overtime that wears on us. I mean, 115 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 2: there's studies out there that you know, if you're if 116 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 2: you're a night shift worker, you literally die earlier than 117 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 2: people who were dacious, right. And I've known this my 118 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 2: entire career, and I'm just like, oh, I just accept it, 119 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 2: and now I'm doing what i can to like die 120 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 2: a little later, I guess. 121 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: But it's yeah, well you know what I mean. Look, 122 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: we're going at a time a year now, son, Jay, 123 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 1: where you don't see the sun, and if you work 124 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 1: thirds like I did that for a while, you literally 125 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: you don't see the sun at all. Ever. Yeah, and 126 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: we know that has a big, big effect on the 127 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 1: sleep cycles ir Katie rhythms exactly, so like when when 128 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 1: you wake up. So the whole thing is people oftentimes 129 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: say watch your blue light at night before you go 130 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: to bed, and that's a that's a whole thing, or 131 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,679 Speaker 1: being exposed to light in the last couple hours before 132 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: you go to bed, but they're actually finding also the 133 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: morning time daylight is really important, so like within an hour, 134 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 1: getting ten to fifteen minutes of light exposure in that hour. 135 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: But if it's dark outside, if you got one of 136 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: the Cincinnati winters, you're not going to see the sun 137 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 1: necessary if you're sleeping all day. And so it does 138 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: affect the night shift workers over time. And it initially 139 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: you may not feel it or if you're young, but 140 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: as we get older, it really starts adding up. What 141 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: about one of those happy lights. I've got one of those, 142 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: and I don't know. In the winter, sometimes I'll plug 143 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: it in at my desk or whatever and it throws 144 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 1: out simulates the sun. Does that work? Does that do anything? 145 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 2: It's something, It does a little something. It's not as 146 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 2: great as being out in nature, being exposed to the 147 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 2: to the elements, but at the same time you'd be 148 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 2: exposing yourself to the elements, and so it's like fifteen 149 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 2: degrees outside. 150 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: Hell, yeah, go go hit the light. Why do we 151 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: do this? I mean you just hit on two things. 152 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 1: You want that sunlight, that natural sunlight early in the morning. 153 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: Why not make an alarm clock that has a light 154 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: hooked up to it and it gradually comes on and 155 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: lights up the room? What about that? 156 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 2: It's got your billion dollar idea has already been invented 157 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 2: over and over again. 158 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 1: But but I had something again, But no, it exists. 159 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:51,679 Speaker 2: I forget the brand names for it, but they definitely exist, 160 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 2: and they slowly come on and slowly wake you up. 161 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 2: I'll tell you, the smallest shred of light will have 162 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:00,600 Speaker 2: me up and eyes open. So like, it's not great 163 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 2: for me, but it works for some people. 164 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 1: Say Shave of Carimani's on the show. He's our physician 165 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: at doctor Sonjay Sincy and an expert in fitness and 166 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: food and health and fil We're talking about sleep this morning, 167 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: which is a big deal. Most of us don't get 168 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: the necessary seven to eight hours if you're getting sad. 169 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: I'm like a seven guy myself, so I think I'm okay, 170 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: but I know it's too the older you get, you 171 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: wake up in the middle of the night and you're 172 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: up for like two or three hour feels like you're 173 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: up for hours, right, Yeah, what is that? Why has 174 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: that happened? 175 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 2: So the brain starts getting I mean, you're just getting old, Sloan, 176 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 2: that's what it is. So your your brain starts. 177 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: Telling me about it because I'm limping around the studio 178 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: just getting off crutches. Yeah, no, kidd and thanks. You 179 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: and me both are broken ankles. Job, Migel. It's fine. 180 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 2: But overtime, so when we're young, our brain knows what 181 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 2: to do, and over time our brain kind of forgets 182 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 2: what to do and how to sync with the cycle 183 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 2: of life. That's what that's what the current thought is. 184 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 2: So as we get older, our brain's like, oh, it's 185 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 2: the middle of the night, maybe I'm supposed to be 186 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 2: awake right now, as opposed to our younger brain that 187 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 2: is smarter. So yeah, we're just getting dark. 188 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: It's dumb, and here we are thought it was something 189 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: to it, like I'm so efficient at sleep, I only 190 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: need four or five hours and I wake up and 191 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: I awake for two or three But I remember seeing 192 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: something son Jay years ago, a fascinating story about the 193 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: history of sleep in how screwed up we got when 194 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: electricity came on and you know, candle light things like, 195 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: because it used to be hey, you and some goes 196 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: down the fire, go to bed at five o'clock and 197 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: then get up in the But people would sleep for 198 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: four hours, get up, they'd make babies, they get the 199 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: stuff ready to eat the next day, get some firewood going, 200 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: and then they go to bed. They'd be up for 201 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: a few hours and then go to bed for So 202 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: because human history is a relatively small sliver of our existence, 203 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,959 Speaker 1: so modern history we're talking about here, we're like genetically 204 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: wire to wake up in the middle of night some 205 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: to some degree somewhat. 206 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 2: I mean, we don't have a lot of evidence of 207 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 2: all that stuff, but i'll tell you that. Like, what 208 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 2: we've also found is different cultures need different amount of sleep. 209 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 2: So like we say we need seven eight hours as humans, 210 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 2: but it's actually kind of an American state. I don't 211 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 2: know what other countries there are, but some countries actually 212 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 2: require less sleep and you're okay, you're actually thriving at sex. 213 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 2: So it's kind of weird. So maybe that was a 214 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,199 Speaker 2: different culture back then. Too, where you needed less sleep 215 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 2: or needed to sleep in the middle of the day. 216 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:14,079 Speaker 2: But you know, like European culture with the siesta and everything, 217 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 2: that that also works for them, and so it depends. 218 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 2: But the kind of cumulative amount you need is seven 219 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 2: or eight in today's world for the most part. Now 220 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 2: that we're all becoming semi one culture because we're all 221 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 2: plugged into the same. 222 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,079 Speaker 1: Stuff, right right, Okay, now that makes a lot of sense. 223 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 1: So we're also told, hey, you know you need a 224 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: ten thousand dollars mattress that cools and heats you unless 225 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 1: you up and down all that stuff to get the 226 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 1: best nice sleep in your life. Is that just marketings 227 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: are some truth in that. 228 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 2: There's definitely truth to it. I think you know, you 229 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 2: got mattresses, you got supplements, you got all the other 230 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 2: things out there. Mattress is important. I mean I definitely 231 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 2: invested in a good mattress and a good pillow. But 232 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 2: there's there's other things you can do, and specifically, you know, 233 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 2: temperature of your room, which will a lot of people 234 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 2: don't key in on. It's the light that we just 235 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 2: talked about. And then it's consistency of sleep schedule, which 236 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 2: coming from me, I, I mean do as I say, 237 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 2: not as I do on that one, because I literally can't. 238 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 2: But the the mattress quality is important. I mean, if 239 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 2: you're if you're sleeping on a bed of rocks and 240 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 2: that's something new to you, it's not gonna it's not 241 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 2: gonna turn out well. 242 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: If you toss and turn son Jay, is that indicating 243 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: indicating you a bad night's sleep or is it just 244 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:27,559 Speaker 1: your a toster return Because I'm a tous turn So. 245 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 2: Are you a tosser and turner all night or is 246 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 2: it a tosser and turner intermittently? 247 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: I have no idea. I'm sleeping. Yeah, hell what I 248 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 1: know you're the doctor. Tell me. I asked a really 249 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: good questions. Yeah, you definitely your flipping all over the place. 250 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 2: So, so you know, our body goes through the cycles 251 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:46,439 Speaker 2: of sleep, and you know, we're light sleep, then we're 252 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 2: deep sleep, and then there's the REM cycle where our 253 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:51,959 Speaker 2: brain goes a little wild. That's when our dreams happen. 254 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 2: And as we go on further in the night, typically 255 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 2: if we're if we're healthy, we'll have more and more 256 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 2: REM cycles as the night goes on. And so it's 257 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 2: not aotypical for you to be tossing and turning, especially 258 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 2: like between if you're sleeping from eleven to seven, from 259 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 2: three to seven, you're probably gonna be tossing more because 260 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 2: you might toss more with your dreams because your brain's 261 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 2: a little restless and doing all the rem things that 262 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 2: it needs to do and having all the dreams. 263 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems I wake up, it'll be like a 264 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:16,439 Speaker 1: solid four hours and you wake up and then you 265 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: go to the bathroom or whatever. And that's the other 266 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: thing too, is you get older, you tend to go 267 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 1: to the bathroom more. 268 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's all you know, you and I, I 269 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 2: mean for the whole my part where we're definitely the 270 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 2: four hour wake up guys now and it doesn't matter 271 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 2: what I do. And now are their ankle bros. You know, 272 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,319 Speaker 2: with those injuries. I have a little more swelling in 273 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 2: my ankle now than I used to. And so that 274 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 2: just that's what goes in the middle of the night. 275 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: Wake up and go Should you just get up If 276 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, I'm wide awake, I feel good. Should 277 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 1: I just go up and do something and then come 278 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:44,599 Speaker 1: back to bed later. So it's a great point. You 279 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: makes a long. 280 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 2: So a lot of people are like, Oh, I'm just 281 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 2: gonna stay in bed, I'm gonna I'm gonna sleep, I'm 282 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 2: gonna sleep, I'm gonna sleep. I'm gonna get back to sleep. 283 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 2: But one of the best things you can do sometimes 284 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 2: is get up and move around and change your environment 285 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 2: just for a little bit and come back to bed. 286 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 2: You don't want to necessarily like play video game or 287 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 2: look at a screen or maybe even even look at 288 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:05,079 Speaker 2: an e eater. You just kind of want to move 289 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 2: your environment a little bit. Don't eat, don't drink anything, 290 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 2: but just move a little bit, come back to bed 291 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 2: and try again, as opposed to just willing it to 292 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 2: be just lying in bed, because when we force something 293 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 2: like that, it just never turns out good. 294 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, Sanja Shava Karani is on his e our physician, 295 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: and we're talking about health and fitness and well and sleep. 296 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: It is a big thing. Especially we're going to have 297 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: the time change here in a little bit. That always 298 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:32,319 Speaker 1: screws people up. Yep, you know, our gain, our lost whatever. 299 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, your body still 300 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: has to adjust to these whole things, and you may 301 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: be getting up in the middle of night and you're 302 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 1: tossing and turning. What does that mean to I need 303 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:41,319 Speaker 1: a better matress? Is the room comfortable? These things? And 304 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: I'll come full circle on this because we were talking 305 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: about how social media pollutes the brain, and they tested 306 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 1: with AI in it. It's making AI dummer. If they 307 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 1: feeded a steady dyet a clickbait, what does that say 308 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: about me and you? I think that's the other thing 309 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 1: is do most people who is you know, we talked 310 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: about sleep apnean, We've talked about other reasons why people 311 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:00,680 Speaker 1: don't get a good night's sleep, But how much of 312 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: this is by you know, just life baggage? You know, 313 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: we're consuming news or online and reading all this stuff, 314 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:07,679 Speaker 1: and then you wake up and you start thinking about it, 315 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: and then you have this fear and you start getting 316 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: this cycle, this mental cycle, and now all of a sudden, 317 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:14,719 Speaker 1: that's where the I would say, you know, nighttime, that's 318 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: when the demons come out in your head when it's quiet, 319 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 1: and you start thinking fatalist things and horrible things. And 320 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: how do you break that cycle? And how much does 321 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 1: that contribute to what we're talking about? 322 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 2: It is a great question because the two things that 323 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 2: we're keying in on here is one the use of 324 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 2: the phone in general. So you have blue light, you know, 325 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 2: shooting into your eyeballs and it's waking up your brain 326 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 2: while you're using it, and so we really want to 327 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 2: turn that off literally at least one hour before bed 328 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 2: with any like any device, tablets, phones, et cetera, to 329 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 2: allow our brains to rest a little bit. And then 330 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 2: you have the issue of well, the content of that 331 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 2: and what it's doing to you and adding to your 332 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:52,680 Speaker 2: stress and anxiety, especially taking in world events, et cetera, 333 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 2: but maybe even your own personal stuff. Right, your brain's 334 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 2: just going and it is hard to calm down. And 335 00:13:57,559 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 2: a lot of people say, you know, I got to 336 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:01,319 Speaker 2: read before I go to bed, or I got to 337 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:02,719 Speaker 2: get my news in before I go to bed, and 338 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 2: it's actually working for me. You've probably conditioned your brain, 339 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 2: like watching TV before bed, which a lot of people do. 340 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 2: My best friend falls asleep watching TV every night. You 341 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 2: probably condition your brain to say, oh, that's the TV. 342 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 2: I'm going to go to sleep now, Okay, right, but 343 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 2: you're not going to get good sleep, so your brain's 344 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 2: going to be kind of still going with all of 345 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 2: that stuff, still processing it. And then you know, you'll 346 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 2: have one of those middle of the. 347 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: Night wake ups. 348 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 2: Like you're talking about, everything's quiet, and that's the time 349 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 2: when your brain shows up and has a party. And 350 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 2: so it's really hard to fall asleep when there's stuff, 351 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 2: you know, when you're taking in stuff right before you 352 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 2: go to bed. 353 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: You should tell my wife this because she'll sit there 354 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: and scroll TikTok for like an hour, yeah, and then 355 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: go put it down, and she's sleeping in thirty seconds 356 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: and sleeps with straight eight hours. 357 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 2: I mean, there's superhumans among us. They're superhumans out there, 358 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 2: and I am definitely not one of them. 359 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 1: I can't, I can't. I get my iPad. But I'm 360 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: reading a book, yeah, you know, and something that's like history, 361 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: or I'm reading a book about George Remis from Cincinnati 362 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: here of all things. And yeah, it takes you know, 363 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: for me, I like a half a chapter and fall asleep. 364 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: So I try to find boring topics and things like 365 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: that and not to get all worked up and just 366 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: you know, fall. 367 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 2: There's two ways as far as content goes. So my 368 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 2: fiance was reading this boring book and literally she read 369 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 2: two lines every night and she out and it was 370 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 2: you know, it was this like really scientific book, and she. 371 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: Works. 372 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 2: But I prefer actually reading fiction on a on like 373 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 2: a Kindle e reader, so you get a little less 374 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 2: blue light coming out, but there's still some lights are out. 375 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 2: And I read fiction because it just sends me into 376 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 2: like fantasy worlds. 377 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: Ok, and I'm in a dream zone. Now. 378 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 2: Some people will say that you readers do admit, well, 379 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 2: they do. They emit some light, so you're kind of 380 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 2: affecting yourself a little bit. So, but you know what's 381 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 2: the other way you're going to do it is have 382 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 2: a light above your head right, and that's hitting them 383 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 2: book and now it's hitting your eyebo. 384 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: Like the dark background with the light white light right 385 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: is exactly like that. That mode or whatever. 386 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 2: You definitely want nightmode if you're using like one of 387 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 2: those fancy tablets e readers as opposed to like the Kindle. 388 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 1: You know, where are you on melatonin? I So I 389 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: think we're using too much melotone? Right? 390 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 2: So the effective dose is like zero point three to 391 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 2: zero point five literally, and people are dropping like twenty 392 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 2: milligrams a night, and you know it's okay. There you 393 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 2: get to a plateau point where it's just not as effective. 394 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 2: So what melatonin does for us is it says it's nighttime, 395 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 2: and that's all it does. It doesn't say I'm going 396 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 2: to keep you asleep or anything like that. It just 397 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 2: sets your clock and says it's nighttime. Great for like 398 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 2: if you've been working nights or if your sleep's been 399 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 2: off a little bit, just to use sparingly every now 400 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 2: and then. Now I use melotone in kind of a 401 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 2: combination with a couple other things a couple of times, 402 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 2: maybe one or two times a week, but it's usually 403 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 2: when I'm flipping or I haven't had a good sleep 404 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 2: and my body's just thrown off for a. 405 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: Wheit it's fine. I'm more frequent than that. I probably 406 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: should back it up, but I but again, I've known, 407 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: so I take like it's like a three milligram chewable 408 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: that was too much for me? I would I like 409 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: take a third of that? Yeah? And where'd you feel 410 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: it was too much? What time of the day? I 411 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: don't know, Like I didn't want to wake up, Like 412 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: I don't feel rested, Like maybe it's too much of 413 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: this stuff. Yeah. 414 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 2: I so I have about a twelve hour period that 415 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 2: I have to give myself where I'm going to be 416 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 2: awake again. Yeah, because I'm going to be groggy as hell. 417 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 2: If I take something even one and a half milligrams, 418 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 2: I'm going to be groggy afterwards. So you kind of 419 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 2: want to take it a little bit earlier. Now the 420 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 2: packaging will say twenty to thirty minutes before you sleep. 421 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 2: I give myself a little more time if I'm only 422 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 2: going to be sleeping eight hours. 423 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:26,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, now you really want to sleep? You know, 424 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 1: some some NQ will four or five of those talamol 425 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 1: pms and a half like a fifth of Jim Beeman. 426 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: You're good. You sleep like not doctor for baby, like 427 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 1: a baby. That's just all right, Doctor Sonjay, he's our 428 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:42,120 Speaker 1: physician health food fitness at doctor Sanjay Sincy with why 429 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: two whys in there? And thanks for coming to this far. 430 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 1: It's great to talk to you. I love the I 431 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 1: love the intersection of medicine and health and just common 432 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,360 Speaker 1: sense kind of stuff there. Yeah. I appreciate the timesloan. 433 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 2: It's just it is all one to me, and it 434 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 2: all kind of feeds into each other back and forth. 435 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 2: You know, having a better life while you're away equals 436 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 2: make you sleep better. 437 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: Question versus yeah, it all. It's all health to me, 438 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 1: all right, goodness, So we'll do this's on the regular 439 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: I think anyway, Doctor Sanjay, thanks again. We got to 440 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 1: get to a news update. The NBA has apparently falling apart. 441 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 1: We have the mobsters, my people, Laclos and Ostra, Tony Soprano, 442 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: all those guys involved in the NBA. What details seconds 443 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 1: away here seven hundred WWT, Cincinnati,