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Speaker 1: You don't if she gets found today, you don't think

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Speaker 3: Emily is very overly optimistic and Eddie, both of them

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Speaker 1: Trying, do you know, temper the expectations here. It's not

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Speaker 4: I started following too true true crime like chicks that

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Speaker 3: Because don't they say, like after forty eight hours, the

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Speaker 1: We'll see.

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Speaker 1: So, you know, my wife and I are both true

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Speaker 1: And I thinking to myself, well, if this person did

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Speaker 5: then it's weird. Of course, I told I don't know

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Speaker 1: Okay, your parents, Okay. Deborah then dropped, of course, border

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to explain her, Deborah, we have security measures.

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Speaker 3: In addition to like your alarm system, alarm thing, like

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Speaker 1: A great Grandma Gray.

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Speaker 3: Was in a big house like your Grandma Nancy's on

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Speaker 1: You would take that full down.

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Speaker 1: So I said, we have security measures, but she wants more.

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Speaker 1: It's in her head. It's in her head, Shepherd. This

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Speaker 5: I get that, you get because well, you know me,

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Speaker 4: There's gonna be they're gonna take gram Nancy and then

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Speaker 1: I guess ye. Would you say you don't negotiate a

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Speaker 1: Do you want me to do?

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Speaker 2: She can't even get named Brad peanut butter?

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Speaker 3: Well, here's for groceries. This will make Denborah feel better.

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Speaker 3: Nobody's gonna want to break into that place because nobody's

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Speaker 1: Why are they taking there? Why they didn't take groceries?

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Speaker 1: Is he picking up shrubs and hiding your ring cam? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Okay that guy was clearly at Yeah that was weird. Sure,

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Speaker 4: Nancy Guthrie, Yes, okay, I just keep having nightmares about

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Speaker 5: Scout, we get it rich.

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Speaker 1: If anything, her being rich are you talking about is

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Speaker 1: who did the kidnap?

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Speaker 2: My mom never bought me a thousand dress. Why there's

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Speaker 2: a little over one hundred dollars? Why are you all.

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Speaker 3: Acting like there's a senior citizen kidnapper of rash? I mean,

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Speaker 1: This could happen, This could happen. Okay, So just keeping

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Speaker 2: So are you going to do anything.

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Speaker 1: What would I do? I already have an alarm system

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Speaker 1: It's weird, it's a little too much. So yeah, I

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Speaker 1: don't know what's going on with her being on the

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Speaker 1: case and now hearing about this. Please just find poor

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Speaker 1: Nancy got through so that I can not hear about

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Speaker 1: this is it's wild. It's wild. So that's that's the latest.

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