1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: This is the Mark Madden Show. What do you think. 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 2: I'm very serious when I say they should have traded 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 2: for Saustgard and certainly for Jacoby Myers. 4 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: A fourth and sixth dron pick. That is effing chicken feed. 5 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 2: You got all these old bastards, these guys with canes 6 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:18,600 Speaker 2: and walkers and wheelchairs, and you're trying to go all 7 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 2: in and try to win, but you can't give up 8 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 2: a fourth and sixth dround pick in that pursuit. God, 9 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,319 Speaker 2: this is just exemplary how the Steelers talk out of 10 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:30,479 Speaker 2: both sides of their mouth. I can't even say that 11 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 2: they talk out of both sides of their ass, whatever 12 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 2: that means. Again, then I'm gonna call it eight three 13 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 2: to three, four one two ninety nine thirty nine. 14 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: I want your angst. 15 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 2: We got room for calls in the next segment, certainly 16 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 2: next at the bottom of the hour, we got Pierre 17 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 2: Maguire talking about that Penguins loss, and that Penguin's loss 18 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 2: was movie heartbreaking, and right from the first leave school 19 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 2: early in the third you could see it coming, you 20 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 2: could feel it. 21 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: And I don't know how you. 22 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 2: Let a guy that's topped sixty goals in the NHL 23 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 2: get behind you for a breakaway when you lead three nil. 24 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: Austin Matthews, I. 25 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:11,639 Speaker 2: Don't know how you don't catch him because he's fat, 26 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:18,479 Speaker 2: and after he scored, Excrement just rolled Don Hill. Every 27 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 2: team has games like that. Bad teams have more games 28 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 2: like that. The Penguins aren't a great team, so we 29 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 2: will see if this is the first in a series, 30 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 2: hopefully first and last. Liverpool off to a lively start, 31 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 2: Florian Verts making a start up front. 32 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 3: I like it. 33 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 2: The primary culprit in that loss last night was Tristan Jarry, 34 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 2: no question, he's gutless. If that's speaking too strongly, well, 35 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 2: I stand by and he's gutless. If you score one, 36 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 2: he'll give up two. If you score nine, he'll give 37 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 2: up ten. He'll make every say but the one he's 38 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 2: got to. He was two into that last night. He 39 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 2: gave up the one pinball goal where it just bounced 40 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 2: around till he got buy him and he flailed, looking 41 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 2: rattled and beaten. When the puck was already in last 42 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 2: night's game blowing. It was vintage Jari and marking on 43 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 2: Sid's line. The change that Muse made I think maybe 44 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 2: early in the second it doesn't work. 45 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: Like Bob Aerry said on. 46 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 2: A Penguins broadcast a few years back when Sullivan tried 47 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 2: it, it just never works. 48 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: It never works. They don't fit. 49 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 2: They overdo it, like any remote hit of simplicity you 50 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 2: can prosper by and playing hockey. When those two play together, 51 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 2: they do not do any of it. I have no 52 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 2: idea why Muse did it, except maybe I do. Brunic 53 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 2: was a wreck. What's the call there? Offside the file? 54 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 2: Hold on here it is? Oh went out of bonds? Okay, 55 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 2: can't argue with that. 56 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 4: Uh. 57 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: Kindle was the bright spot two goals, but like I. 58 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 2: Said earlier, Penguins got the power play late and the 59 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 2: third with the game tied, right before Toronto scored the winner. Kindall, 60 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 2: who had a power play goal and was the best 61 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 2: guy on the power play all night, didn't touch the 62 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 2: puck hardly at all on that last power play. And 63 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 2: I said before and I say again now, and I'm 64 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 2: right about this, and I don't care what Sidon, Geno 65 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 2: and Mues think. 66 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: The best power play guy they got in. 67 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 2: Terms of reorganizing and distributing is Ben Kendall at eighteen 68 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 2: and put him on that left half wall. I don't 69 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 2: care when Russ, when Raquel comes back. Kendall has to 70 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 2: stand that power play. He has to run it. And honestly, 71 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 2: if Mwes won't do that, he's not the coach I 72 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 2: think he is. If MWS pays the veteran respect when 73 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 2: Kendall should be the guy, Mwes ain't the coach I 74 00:03:55,840 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 2: think he is. We'll see up and downs games like that. 75 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 2: This is just what the Penguins are. We overreacted to 76 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 2: the towards start. I know I did because it was fun. 77 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 2: I hope the toward start resumes, but our worst fears 78 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 2: will likely be realized. No playoff berth and no high 79 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 2: draft pick, just saying you can call for the next 80 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 2: segment eight three, three, four one two wxdx. Oh God, 81 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 2: here comes Vinnie Junior with space one man to beat 82 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 2: his kanate. Okay, he throws a really bad pass. 83 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: We get it. 84 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 2: We give it right back. We got I'm like the 85 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 2: gunner collin hockey. We got it now, they got it. 86 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:48,559 Speaker 2: Game seven of the World Series drew almost twenty six 87 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 2: million viewers on Fox, the highest number of viewers for 88 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:54,840 Speaker 2: a World Series game since Game seven and twenty seventeen, 89 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 2: so no matter what you say, no matter how much 90 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 2: you bitches out their wine wearing your Bucco hats, Baseball 91 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 2: isn't broken. The Pirates are broken, and MLB don't give 92 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 2: a rats ass about that. They say a chain is 93 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 2: only as strong as its weakest link. That's just not 94 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 2: true in big time, big money sports. It's just not 95 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:21,840 Speaker 2: Oh god, oh god, oh god, oh god, Oh good 96 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 2: play by? Is that Connor Bradley MBOPI not Babapi. We 97 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 2: actually handlem abapy. Vinnie Junior just kills us to start 98 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 2: over my cliche analysis. They say a chain is only 99 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 2: as strong as its weakest link. But in big time, 100 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,919 Speaker 2: big money sports, that's not true. It's not true in baseball. 101 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 2: MLB doesn't care about the Pirates, and Pittsburgh baseball fans 102 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 2: don't care about any of the above even a little bit. Okay, 103 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 2: I want to know what you think, and I bet 104 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:54,799 Speaker 2: I know what you think. 105 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: But I'm right and you're wrong. 106 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 2: Steelers should have traded two first round picks for Sauce Gardner. 107 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 2: At the very least, should have traded a fourth and 108 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:04,359 Speaker 2: a sixth even a little bit better than that to 109 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 2: get uh Jacobe Myers, the receiver from Vegas. That's what 110 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 2: Jacksonville gave to get him. Oh God, file on Vinnie Junior, 111 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 2: John God, damn filing a good Let's let's call now 112 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 2: eight three three f. 113 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 4: Nine Market Afternoon Gallant to Mark mad what do you what? 114 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 5: What do you want? 115 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 4: Damn it? 116 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: The exit one. 117 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 2: A great time had by all last night at Pittsburgh 118 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 2: Brewing Company in Creighton with their big, big screen TV. 119 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 2: And we had the bobblehead bananza giveaway and we're doing 120 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 2: it again for Penguins Flyers on December first. That is 121 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 2: a great place to watch a game. Like I said, 122 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 2: the best, the best TV in town. Had a ton 123 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 2: of people, nobody was disappointed. Gave away a bunch of bobbleheads. 124 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 2: People love bobbleheads. I probably should not have underestimated the demand. 125 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 6: Uh. 126 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 2: Let's go to Chris Long on his podcast talking about 127 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 2: the Steelers throwing as much as they are to Mount Washington. 128 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 5: I think they found something yesterday with getting washing in 129 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 5: the ball. You know, it's kind of crazy because he 130 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 5: could be wearing to tackle number but if he can 131 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 5: catch the football, like you can put that ball anywhere 132 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 5: near his body. Yeah, and he's going to just be 133 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 5: putting it on dudes heads. Man, it's just going to 134 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 5: be like, you can't. He's such a mismatch. 135 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 2: I'm not the biggest fan of throwing Washington to ball 136 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 2: or really of him, to be one hundred percent honest, 137 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 2: Friarmouth has been lessened John who is on a milk carton. 138 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 2: I get Washingtons the value as a blocker, but using 139 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 2: him as often as they are is part of what 140 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 2: makes the Steelers offense so prehistoric. And I don't trust 141 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 2: his hands, although, like Chris Long said, if you just 142 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 2: throw it into his body just kind. 143 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: Of envelops it. 144 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 2: But that size, man, that size, it kind of works, 145 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 2: especially in that Neanderthal context, it kind of works. I 146 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 2: want your thoughts on the Steelers inactivity today on trade 147 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 2: deadline day. The deadline is beyond us in just an 148 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 2: hour from now. Uh the Colt Scott sauce Gardner for 149 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 2: two first round picks. Jacksonville got Jacoby Myers, the wide 150 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:38,079 Speaker 2: receiver from Jacksonville for a fourth and the sixth. Those 151 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:41,199 Speaker 2: are two deals I would have for sure made. I 152 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 2: want your thoughts at a three three four one two WSDX. 153 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 2: Let's go to Joe. Joe, you're on with Doblem. 154 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, Mark, I've never agreed with you more than what 155 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 3: you're talking right now about the lack of activity. You 156 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 3: know with con came Conin's making his Wepton right, it 157 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 3: wasn't the steer away. Yeah, he was picking people up, 158 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 3: but I mean it's adapt to die now. And that 159 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 3: move the Colts made, that's what I can't believe they 160 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 3: did that. I mean, like you said, curious teams. 161 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 2: Man, Well like, okay, the Steelers we always hear, oh boy, 162 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 2: oh Madrid Misstak heavens, we always hear the Steelers say 163 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 2: in posture. 164 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: That they can win. 165 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:25,719 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, then show me that you really think you 166 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 2: can win by making a move like this, because apparently 167 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 2: the Colts think they can win and win. 168 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 3: Now that's a huge move. You know. I remember back 169 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 3: to them teams, you know, with Paul mal and Ferrier Hampton, 170 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 3: it just had a feeling like you knew they were 171 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:43,559 Speaker 3: going to get out there and just kick the crap 172 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 3: out of people. 173 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,599 Speaker 2: Well, this team is now like have headed to the 174 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 2: same place that the other last many you know, seven 175 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 2: teams have headed two which is not winning a playoff game. 176 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 2: And and a lot of that trickles down from the organization. 177 00:09:57,440 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 2: I mean, I wonder what the locker room thinks when 178 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 2: they see deals like we're talking about that the Steelers 179 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 2: could have made and the best they can do today 180 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 2: so far is pick up Valdez Scantling. 181 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 1: Who's going to be a practice squad receiver. Yeah, let's 182 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: go to Mike. Mike, you're with double m. 183 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 4: Hey, Mark, how's it going. 184 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 3: I I was just saying that you say they should 185 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 3: trade for Sauce. 186 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 4: I think they should trade for Tom Brasough. 187 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: I don't get it. Was that supposed to be funny 188 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: in some way? I don't. I don't get it at all. 189 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 2: I mean, seriously, you call trying to be funny, and 190 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 2: you you are so unfunny that it makes your mom 191 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 2: sound like an ass. 192 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: Anything else? Okay, good, good try. 193 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 2: And by the way, if you're if you're that guy's 194 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:47,679 Speaker 2: mom and you're listening, you aren't asked by extension because 195 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 2: you produce somebody that unfunny, you're just an ass. Laisee 196 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,599 Speaker 2: line open eight three three four one two w xd X. 197 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 2: That Penguin loss, if it wasn't a the NFL trade 198 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 2: deadline and the two deals I'm talking about, I think 199 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 2: would be even more so all over that Penguin loss, 200 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 2: and what made it even more frustrating, not only their 201 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 2: had three nothing after two periods, they killed the Leafs 202 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 2: for two periods, killed him outside of twenty five to eight. 203 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 2: I've played them so badly, and the guy I hanged 204 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 2: that loss on the most is Jari. But so many 205 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 2: things went bad, like allowing the best player on the 206 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 2: other team to get a breakaway at three nothing, putting 207 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 2: Gino on Sid's line, which never works, and the motive 208 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 2: Ford is something that I can guess at and don't 209 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 2: like Ben Kindle being great on the power play than 210 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 2: not touching the puck on their last power play, even 211 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 2: though he's out there and ready to play as good 212 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 2: as he had and he had a power play goal. 213 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: He's a phenom. I still hesitate to say he's the 214 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,679 Speaker 1: first line center. He's going to be a real good second. 215 00:11:57,760 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: That kid is a phenom. 216 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:02,959 Speaker 2: Up next, we're gonna keep talking hockey with our buddy 217 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,319 Speaker 2: Peter McGuire. Pier up next to one O. Five to 218 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 2: nine Thursday night, the Pens hit the ice against the Capitals. 219 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 1: Game time is seven. 220 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 5: Our coverage starts at six here every game, and the 221 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 5: best coverage right here on your home of the Pens 222 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:19,719 Speaker 5: one O five nine d X. 223 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 2: If you can't get it one over, buddy, be hitting 224 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,559 Speaker 2: Dusty Road Tomican Dream, So be it, baby, d X. 225 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: At one O five nine. 226 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 2: Peng was with a loss last night that could best 227 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 2: be described as soul crushing, joining me not to discuss 228 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 2: he is the best hockey guy on media anywhere. He 229 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 2: is peerre McGuire, Pierre. That's a bad loss last night 230 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 2: for the Penguin was at Toronto. What was the genesis 231 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 2: of that collapse? 232 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 4: Base off play was really bad fifty one in favor 233 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 4: of Toronto. That was a big problem. The outshoot a 234 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 4: team seventeen to three in the third in the second period, 235 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:57,079 Speaker 4: and then you lay in eight to start the third 236 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 4: with your best player not matching up properly against the 237 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 4: other team's top center and Sidney Crosby not matching up 238 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 4: on Austin Matthews. So there were a couple of major 239 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 4: standalone things that really caught mind. Then the third thing 240 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:14,839 Speaker 4: was you can't have a two young kids pickering in 241 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:18,319 Speaker 4: Brunneck on the ice against Toronto's top players at key 242 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 4: times of the game. In the third period, they were 243 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 4: on the ice against them twice and they gave up 244 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 4: two goals. So stuff happens. It's a learning experience for everybody, 245 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:30,679 Speaker 4: including Dan News. I want to give him credit, though, 246 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 4: Mark when it was when Tronto scored those two quick 247 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 4: goals to start the third period, he called a time 248 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 4: out to try to stop things. That was really that 249 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:43,199 Speaker 4: showed me that he's plugged in. He's not panicking. He's 250 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 4: got experience. He will continue to evolve and get better. 251 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 4: So these are all crefable mistakes. And I can tell 252 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 4: you right now, Sidney Crosby will not be happy with 253 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,839 Speaker 4: the stated period last night, and anybody that's fair in 254 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 4: minded that evaluated that game will tell you that he 255 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 4: was dashed, probably the where third period he's played in 256 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,959 Speaker 4: a long time. He will come back with a vengeance 257 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 4: and he will make everybody around him better because of 258 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 4: that third period. 259 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 2: Let's stay with sid for a second. Because Gino moved 260 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 2: on to Sid's line in the second period. I thought 261 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 2: it was a disaster. They just don't fit. What are 262 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 2: the pros and cons of that? And why doesn't it work? 263 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 4: Because it doesn't well because Gino's more of a centerman 264 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 4: than I'm winger playing the wing in the NHL is 265 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 4: a lot different exercise for him. He's not moving nearly enough. 266 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 4: He needs to be in the middle where there's a 267 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 4: lot more ice. Part of why that happened is Noela 268 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 4: Chari got hurt, you know, within the first two minutes 269 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 4: of the game, and so that really causes the problem 270 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 4: for Pittsburgh in terms of depth on their lines, and 271 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 4: they're mixing and matching and they're trying to protect guys, 272 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 4: and I kind of get what they're doing, and they 273 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 4: get out to that lead, and all of a sudden, 274 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 4: everybody's feeling good about themselves being up three nothing. But 275 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 4: the problem is that certain guys are being played and 276 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 4: positions are not real good at and one of them 277 00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 4: is a guinea Malcolm. 278 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, to me, it just cripples the other lines, and 279 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 2: not least like you said with the Chari out, Brazo out, 280 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 2: Raquel out. 281 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: I know you have to mix a match, just not 282 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: what I would have done. 283 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 4: No, But again, this is why I think I'm not 284 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 4: overreacting to this one, because it's a one game of 285 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 4: a long road trip game and there's a bad twenty minutes. Obviously, 286 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 4: I thought the bad twenty minutes in the Winnipeg game 287 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 4: was the first twenty minutes, the bad twenty minutes of 288 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 4: the Toronto games the last twenty minutes. And this is 289 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 4: a team that's trying to find itself and establish exactly 290 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 4: how they want to play. Injuries happen all the time. 291 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 4: I have to really think, though, how do this and 292 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 4: his people are gonna have to really evaluate that good 293 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 4: at tandem on the fence. Those kids are gonna be 294 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 4: really good. They're just not ready to be good right now. 295 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 2: Pierre, I'm not a Jarry believer at all. Four goals 296 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 2: on twenty shots, too deep in the net. Why does 297 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 2: he to me betray his talent? Because I do think 298 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 2: he's talented. 299 00:15:56,520 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 4: He is talented. He's unbelievably talented. Mark and know for 300 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 4: good portions of the start of this year he's playing well. 301 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 4: But then all of a sudden, you see the backhand 302 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 4: goal by Willie Leeland, or you wonder about that, the 303 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 4: long range goal that goes in from the point, you 304 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 4: wonder about that, And those are things that go back 305 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 4: to where he was struggling in the previous three years, 306 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 4: where he looks small in goal. It's almost like he's 307 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 4: not hard on the angle, he's not anchored and nets. 308 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 4: These are all things we didn't see at the start 309 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 4: of this year, and now all of a sudden they're 310 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 4: starting to pop up, and I just wonder if it's 311 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 4: just he means to resettle a little bit. The good 312 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 4: news is marashops off to an amazing start in the 313 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 4: American Hockey League. Kilos has been a very good acquisition, 314 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 4: a lot like what Stolars was for Toronto last year, 315 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 4: who played really well for them last night, and goal. 316 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 4: So I don't think it's all doom and gloom for 317 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 4: Pittsburgh in that situation either. Patrician's just gonna to get 318 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 4: more anchored and make himself look a lot bigger in 319 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 4: gold than he did last night. 320 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 2: Would you still stick with the rotation and goal Jari 321 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 2: and Shiloff's just, you know, one in one game by game. 322 00:16:58,240 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 4: No. I think if one guy starts to get a 323 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 4: little bit hot, I'd probably stay with him a little 324 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 4: bit longer. I know people are really up and I 325 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 4: can't believe all these pundits are putting this stuff out there. 326 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,160 Speaker 4: While sixty five percent of a time you make the playoffs. 327 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 4: I wouldn't do that with this year. This year in 328 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 4: the league. This year is a really weird year in 329 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 4: the league. I'm telling it's going to be bizarre Overville 330 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 4: for a lot of these teams. And so these points 331 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 4: are precious, and I think the Pittsburgh payment hierarchy is 332 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,640 Speaker 4: really aware of that mark, and so I think there's 333 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 4: going to be a massive impetus to try to win 334 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 4: as many points as you can. And early on here, 335 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 4: especially before the Olympic break. 336 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: Kindall got two goals and he's very good on the 337 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 1: power play. 338 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:41,400 Speaker 2: What's his ceiling, Pierre, I'm kind of rethinking what I said, 339 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 2: real good second line center that still I'm sticking, but 340 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe better And why does he. 341 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 1: Seem to be arriving early? What is he produced out 342 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: of his bag of tricks? 343 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:55,120 Speaker 4: Well, first of all, he puts a massive point getter 344 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 4: in the Western Hockey League. 345 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:57,679 Speaker 3: It's a really difficult league to. 346 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 4: Play in a time in the Western Hockey League when 347 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,120 Speaker 4: all the best players were going to play college hockey, 348 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 4: which they did after the last season. Number one, Number 349 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 4: two being around Crosby and Malcolm, especially for a short 350 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 4: periods of time, you can learn a lot if you 351 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 4: have open eyes and open ears, and he clearly has 352 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 4: that number three. Comes from an amazing athletic family. His 353 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 4: mother and father are both in the professional soccer business, 354 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 4: and I think that helps because he grew up around it. 355 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 4: And you'd have to say, right now, if you're looking 356 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 4: at first year players that are making an impact in 357 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 4: the league, Emmitt Finney out in Detroit, Ivan Demidoff in Montreal, 358 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 4: Matthew Schaeffer in New York on the Island, and then 359 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 4: obviously you Ben Kindle, I think those right now, of 360 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:41,639 Speaker 4: all the young players in the league, those are the 361 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 4: four guys that have really stepped up and asserted themselves. 362 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:48,400 Speaker 1: Here's a bold statement here. I made it early. 363 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 2: Let me see what you think when Raquel comes back. 364 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 2: I don't know who i'd take off the top power play, 365 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:56,120 Speaker 2: but I would leave Kendall on it, and in fact, 366 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 2: I would have him on that left half wall and 367 00:18:58,400 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 2: have him run the power play. 368 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: He shows me more. 369 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 2: Power play acumen than even guys like Crosby and Malkin. 370 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 4: And I'm not kidding, no, and you shouldn't be. And 371 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 4: that's a strong statement, and I'm going to back you 372 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 4: on it because I've been watching this guy a lot. 373 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 4: And one of the things and I just came back 374 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 4: from Europe. By the way, I spoke at a big conference. 375 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 4: I know I talked to you last week from from 376 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 4: Dolph Ask and I'll tell you right now, Mark, and 377 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 4: I mean to sincerely, there's a lot of Mickey Backstrom 378 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,959 Speaker 4: in this guy, and people probably don't want to hear 379 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 4: that right now. But the creativity, the peripheral vision of 380 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 4: passing ability, the understanding of how to create time and 381 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 4: space and seams by moving your feet a little bobbed 382 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 4: over your head or your shoulders or your hands. He 383 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 4: understands those concepts. Those are gifts. All those skills that 384 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 4: I just described, those serious gifts. And so you're not 385 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 4: far off base. And that now what's going to happen. 386 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 4: I think he's going to start getting pressure pointed if 387 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 4: in fact they run the power play through him, and 388 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 4: that's going to be a little bit of an adjustment 389 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 4: period for him. But once he gets through that, the 390 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 4: I to be fine. 391 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: We're talking to Pierre Maguire. 392 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 2: Pierre's brought to us by always say flagging and traffic control. 393 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 2: Pierre Brunick struggled again minus two again. That's for a 394 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 2: bunch of games in a row. Should he be sent 395 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 2: back to junior, what would you do? What are the 396 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 2: pros and cons? 397 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 4: I would send him back to junior Number one, Number two, 398 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 4: I'd want him to go to the World Junior and dominate. 399 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 4: He'll definitely be on Canada's World Junior team, especially with 400 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 4: shape for being gone to the National Hockey League. So 401 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 4: that's what I would want him to do. Want him 402 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 4: to go dominating. Then at the end of the season, 403 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 4: I want him to come back and be ready to 404 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 4: go so that he hits the ground running next year. 405 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,360 Speaker 4: The one thing, and again, they've never had a World 406 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 4: Junior in Pittsburgh, so people don't really want to talk 407 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 4: about this, but I can tell you from all my 408 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 4: years experience, one of the great developing tools in all 409 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 4: of hockey is the World Junior Hockey Championship. It speaks 410 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 4: the process up for so many players. Crosby played in 411 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 4: two of them, and he hit the ground running. Falcon 412 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 4: played in three of them. You know, I can just 413 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:05,679 Speaker 4: tell you like it. It speeds the process up gigantically, 414 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 4: and so I hope that he gets that opportunity. He 415 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:10,919 Speaker 4: definitely needs it and. 416 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 7: That would help him a lot. 417 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 4: But I would really I sent. 418 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 2: Him back to junior now, Pierre, could you feel that 419 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 2: loss coming after Toronto's first goal. I did. And that's 420 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 2: even though the Penguins badly. I played Toronto for the 421 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 2: first two periods. Like you said, with the twenty five 422 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 2: eight shot margin momentum reverses, you knew Toronto would make 423 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 2: a push. But it's amazing how dramatic that one was. 424 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 4: No, I think the biggest thing was how Austin scored 425 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 4: that first goal will start the third period, and when 426 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 4: he did, I was like, Okay, they're gonna have to 427 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 4: bear down here. And then when they didn't, and really Kneelander, 428 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 4: who missed the previous two games, started to take over, 429 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 4: I was like, Okay, this is gonna be a problem 430 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 4: because they've been taking it, you know, pretty hard on 431 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 4: the media up there in Toronto, even though they've been 432 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 4: kind of camouflaged because one of the great Cup playoffs 433 00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 4: are going on for the tam Football League, and two 434 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 4: the Blue Jays are who were in the World Series 435 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,639 Speaker 4: in point in Game seven, so these guys have been 436 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 4: kind of protected from the media. But really, you know, 437 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 4: the star players have been taking it pretty hard in Toronto, 438 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,199 Speaker 4: and I think really wanted to prove a point, especially 439 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 4: when he was playing with Knives and Matthews, and he 440 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 4: did take over and then put on a show. So 441 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 4: I'm kind of with you. When I saw Austin score 442 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 4: to start the third pier, I was like, uh oh. 443 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:27,120 Speaker 2: Now you said there were some missed assignments, some boxes 444 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 2: by the Penguins on the Matthews goal. 445 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: What were those specifically? 446 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 4: Pierre Well Sid Sid number one. That's a simple coverage 447 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 4: playoff of face off and Sid thoughs he lost the 448 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:41,160 Speaker 4: draw to Matthews. Matt they go D to D. Matthews stretches, 449 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 4: so they go from their side of the offensive blue 450 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:48,199 Speaker 4: line to Pittsburgh's defensive blue line. They snap it up 451 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 4: that Sid's man because that coverage winger has winger or sorry, 452 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 4: wingers have the other team's defense and your defense have 453 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,400 Speaker 4: the other team's wingers. And so the centerments covered off 454 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 4: on the center and then Sid just made a bad 455 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 4: read and that's what caused that to happen. 456 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 2: The Penguins host Washington Thursday at PPG. Now does that 457 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 2: suddenly seem like a big game? You don't want to 458 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 2: lose another one in a row. And I'm not sure 459 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:15,920 Speaker 2: where Washington's at right now at six' five and. 460 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,159 Speaker 3: One, now it's a. 461 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 4: Great, point and it's a hard game because your first 462 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,160 Speaker 4: game back after a trip and to The Washington. Capitals 463 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 4: they're definitely not in their normal. Headspace we just lost 464 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 4: Peer luke Du. Bois we'll see how long that's. For 465 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 4: Their American Hockey league team has been up and. Down 466 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 4: Their East Coast Hockey league. TEAM i washed them play 467 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 4: games this morning at ten thirty in the morning Against. 468 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 4: Orlando they got out shot forty nine to, nineteen and 469 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 4: they still found a way to win the. Game so 470 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 4: the entire organization is kind of trying to find their 471 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 4: way In. Washington but the loss of Cheer luke To 472 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 4: boston will be substantial for The. Capitals this is they're 473 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 4: going to be looking at as a must win. Game for, 474 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 4: THAT i think everybody's surprised By The penguins are a 475 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 4: great early season, field good. Story so, particular they set 476 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 4: to play this one like they're still on the. Road 477 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 4: don't play leg it's a home. Game play a leg 478 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 4: you're still on the, road because you Know washington's gonna 479 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 4: bring an a game On thursday. 480 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: Night Where's ovie? 481 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 2: At he started real? SLOW i think he's gotten, better 482 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 2: BUT i still don't see the energy from last year 483 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 2: in The gretzky career. Goaltase we. 484 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 4: AGREE i think most pundits around the league agree with 485 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 4: you as. WELL i think Even ovie's agreeing with, that 486 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 4: where he's, saying you know, WHAT i could be a 487 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 4: little bit. Better muff to this struggle. HERE i got 488 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 4: to get a little. BETTER i think eventually he will 489 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 4: find his. Way but, again you, know, people it's a 490 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,479 Speaker 4: lot like The Boston. Ruins you Lose crazy And bergier 491 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 4: all That's those are two big losses In. WASHINGTON i 492 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,160 Speaker 4: know it's a couple of years, now but you lose 493 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,400 Speaker 4: backs when you lose his mets off together at the same, 494 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 4: time that's hard to bounce back From. Mark it really. 495 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 4: Is people In pittsburgh gonna find out eventually you're gonna 496 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 4: Lose MALCOLM. A. Crosby when you, do you know you're 497 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 4: lucky you got kindall, coming but you don't Have Crosby 498 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 4: malklin and you'll find out it's hard to replace those. 499 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,679 Speaker 4: Guys guys have had the tenure that those great Centers 500 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 4: i've just talked about having their respective. 501 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 2: Markets the leaves are real near five. Hundred where do 502 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 2: you buy into? Them where are they? At they're a weird, Team. 503 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 2: PIER i think they have good players. 504 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 4: In a lot of. Holes you're talking About, toronto, Yep 505 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 4: oh my. Gosh so they Missed Scott lowton and he's 506 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 4: a third or fourth line, center so they miss him a. 507 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 4: Lot they're not getting a lot of consistency from their 508 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 4: bottom six. Boards in terms of, Offense they're really fortunate 509 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 4: That Nick robinson started to pick it up. Offensively massive 510 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 4: injury situation With Christopher tannet on the back, end so 511 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 4: that's kind of disjointed their. Offense simon Ben wine usually 512 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,400 Speaker 4: plays on the left, side but because of the Tann 513 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 4: at injuries playing on the right. Side bad turnover by 514 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 4: him that led to A pittsburgh goal last. NIGHT i 515 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,160 Speaker 4: can go down the, line chapter and verse For. Toronto 516 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 4: they desperately need to get some of their guys. Back 517 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,239 Speaker 4: getting eland their backs helped them last, night but they 518 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 4: need to get a lot Or, nate you, Know, mark 519 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,640 Speaker 4: they can see whatever they. Want they Miss Mitchell myner's 520 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 4: one hundred and two. Points there's no question they Miss Mitchell. 521 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 2: Myner now you Mentioned, shaeffer the first pickover, all the 522 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 2: eighteen year old rookie defense of The, Islanders. 523 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: Pierre he's. 524 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 2: UNREAL i MEAN i heard about, him But i'm seeing 525 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:20,160 Speaker 2: more THAN i heard about, him if that makes. 526 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 1: Sense he looks Like bobby or out. 527 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 3: There so my. 528 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 4: Comparable for him is there's a thought process player Like 529 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 4: Brian leach who starred for The New York rangers and 530 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 4: is obviously in The Hockey All team And Stanley cup, 531 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 4: champion and there's a ton Of Scotty niedermeyer and him 532 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 4: And Scotty meniedermyer won Three cups In New, jersey he 533 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 4: won At. Anaheim you, know he won Two olympic gold. 534 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 4: Medals a spectacular. Player shaeffer reminds me a lot of. 535 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,360 Speaker 4: Him so if you're emerging the talents Of Brian leach 536 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,120 Speaker 4: And Scotty, neiermyer you're something. Special and they're all three 537 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 4: of them have one thing in. Common well they're more than. 538 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 4: One but they can all. Skate they can all skate really, 539 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 4: well and they're all left. Shots and they caused problems 540 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 4: defensively too because they're all Real they were all real good. 541 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 4: Defensively so, no he sees a special. Player he's he's 542 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 4: definitely a special. 543 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,360 Speaker 2: Player now well he makes The olympic BECAUSE i kind 544 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 2: of wonder with some of the young guys coming on, 545 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 2: strong how many will find their way Onto olympic, rosters 546 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:18,919 Speaker 2: Including Matthew. 547 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 4: SCHAEFFER i think it's going to be tough for. Him 548 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 4: the one THING i would, say And sydney would be 549 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,880 Speaker 4: a great person if you're at The pittsburgh media person 550 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 4: to talk to about Is in two thousand and, Six 551 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 4: canada left all their young guys home and one of 552 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 4: them Was, crosby and they went To. TORONTO i was there. 553 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 3: To do the. 554 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 4: GAMES i was At Team canada's training. Camp it was 555 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 4: an unmitigated disaster THE o Six olympics For, canada. Unmitigated 556 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 4: it was bad for THE us too Because canadon AND 557 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 4: us didn't even play in the Low metal. Game it 558 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 4: Was sweden And. Finland AND i can tell You kan's 559 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 4: never going to repeat that mistake. Again they. Didn't in twenty. 560 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 4: Ten they brought a Young Drew, Dowdy they brought a 561 00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 4: Young Sydney. Crofty you go look at the young. 562 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:01,120 Speaker 1: Guys they brought a Young Mike. 563 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 4: Richards they brought a lot of young guys to that. 564 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 4: Tournament eventually they. Won they won in twenty. Fourteen they 565 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 4: haven't BEEN nhl players in The olympics since twenty. FOURTEEN 566 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,920 Speaker 4: i Think canada will bring young. PLAYERS i just don't 567 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 4: know if they'll bring a lot on. Defense they might 568 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,119 Speaker 4: bring one or, two but that would be. 569 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:21,479 Speaker 2: It funny you mentioned About canada not making that mistake. 570 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 2: AGAIN i believe THE us will make that mistake this. 571 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 2: YEAR i think they have a lot of young players 572 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 2: in the, ascension but the guys running the, team And 573 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 2: i'm a Big Bill garran, fan a Big Mike sullivan, 574 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:32,880 Speaker 2: FAN i think they'll. 575 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 3: Go Old Home. 576 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 2: Week for, EXAMPLE i would Guarantee Patrick kane makes it 577 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 2: ahead Of Logan. 578 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 7: Cooley that would be, heartbreaking not Because patrick doesn't belong, 579 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 7: there But Logan cooley does belong. There anybody that's Watching, 580 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 7: Utah i'm not saying this to do On pittsburgh, radio 581 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 7: AND i know he's A pittsburgh. Kid i'm telling, you 582 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 7: Watch utah. Play i'm going To washington night Against Buffalo. 583 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 4: Utahs for. Real they're a real good. Team Logan cooley 584 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 4: is a great player for. Them to. Me With TEAM 585 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 4: usa in, particular you, know if they leave a Cold coffield, 586 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 4: Off you'll know that your theory is. Right if they 587 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 4: leave A Logan cooley, off you'll know your theory is. 588 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 4: Right so that'll be. Interesting COULD i just say one 589 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 4: more thing about? This the big question that the big 590 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 4: question That pundon should ask the TEAM usa hierarchy is 591 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 4: what were you thinking in the gold medal game or 592 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 4: the championship game or The Four nations last year where 593 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,479 Speaker 4: you Left Kyle connor in the stands as a healthy? 594 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 4: Scratch what possibly were you thinking? About that needs to 595 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 4: be asked so that they don't repeat the same mistake. Again. 596 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 2: Peter, finally and we've talked about this, before but you 597 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 2: know you watch even more games THAN i, do AND 598 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 2: i watch a. Ton the goaltending in the league right 599 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 2: now is. Awful it's, awful like every game every. NIGHT i, 600 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 2: mean the BEST i can hope for is above average 601 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 2: from almost every goalie. 602 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 4: You know playing really, well and you would never know 603 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 4: because their record is so. Bad Dustin wolf for The 604 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 4: Calgary planes is playing out of his. Mind Lucas doustall 605 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 4: And anaheim is playing pretty. Good he's playing pretty pretty. 606 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 4: Well but most of the other, CITIES i who exceeds 607 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 4: you one hundred percent that goalpending is a major issue 608 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 4: for in a lot of these cities right, now no. 609 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 4: Question But Dustin, WOLF i don't know how long his 610 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 4: career would Becau he's not overly, large but man o 611 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 4: man is he? Good he gave a fighting chance every 612 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 4: night In calgary and they are not a playoff. 613 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 2: Team or where my analysis comes, From pierre is everybody talks, About, 614 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 2: okay this team needs to go get a goalie at the. 615 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 2: Deadline the other teams need to go get a goalie to. 616 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 2: Deadline there's no goalies to. 617 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: Get they're just. 618 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 2: Arn't And i'm surprised in retrospect That John gibson didn't 619 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 2: draw more suitors when he got traded By anaheim Than 620 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 2: Jess detroit because apparently there weren't many. 621 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 6: Interested, No AND i Think gurbeque was due Pat ubique 622 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 6: TO gm And. ANAHO i think he was doing a 623 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 6: favor To Steve, eisman who he worked for In tampa 624 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 6: and he worked for In. Detroit SO i think he 625 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 6: was Doing eiser in a favor singing. 626 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 4: And, there which is. Fine that happens around a lot 627 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 4: around in The harrison And Bill torrey used to do 628 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 4: deals all the. Time, Glenn saylor And harrison used to 629 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 4: do deals all. Time that's just how it. Goes you, 630 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 4: know you can't comfortable doing deals with certain, guys but you're. 631 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 4: Right your point is spot on. It maybe one of 632 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 4: the most overlooked things is certainly THE nhl season is 633 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 4: the mediocre goaltending. 634 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 2: Scene pierre great stuff as always enjoyed the hockey this, 635 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 2: week Enjoyed penguins And caps On. 636 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 1: Thursday we'll talk again next. Week can't. 637 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 3: WAIT i can't. 638 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 4: Wait thanks a, Lot, mark take care of. 639 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 1: Everybody that's the great. 640 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 2: Pair McGuire brought to this By Always Say flagging And Traffic, 641 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 2: control making traffic safe. 642 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: Again