WEBVTT - 12-4-25 Scott Sloan Show 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:01.760 Do you want to be an American? 0:00:03.040 --> 0:00:06.880 He's got fun backed on seven hundred WLW alot news 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:09.280 and big news we've had in the headlines recently. There's 0:00:09.320 --> 0:00:12.720 other things that are kind of important. One of those 0:00:12.840 --> 0:00:14.120 is I don't know if you saw this, but the 0:00:14.200 --> 0:00:16.560 auditor of state State of Ohio reported at least twenty 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:19.439 three cyber attacks against government offices in the past twelve months. 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:22.239 It's here in Ohio, including seven hundred thousand dollars in 0:00:22.280 --> 0:00:25.640 theft in Licking County. We've seen this in Dayton, and 0:00:25.680 --> 0:00:28.680 in Cincinnati and across the area. Oh and let's not 0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:32.160 forget that one in Middletown. And as a result, lawmakers 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:35.440 are working on cybersecurity legislations coming together that would require 0:00:35.520 --> 0:00:39.000 municipalities to develop their own policies in response to those 0:00:39.040 --> 0:00:42.480 cyber attacks and local governments. Chris Nihis is here. He's 0:00:42.520 --> 0:00:46.080 the CEO of Cincinnati based Vigilant Cyber Security and Joints 0:00:46.120 --> 0:00:47.120 show to discuss Chris. 0:00:47.120 --> 0:00:49.800 Welcome, Thanks Scott, thanks for having me on. 0:00:49.920 --> 0:00:50.320 Yes, sir. 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:52.879 Before we get to the new law, we also have 0:00:52.960 --> 0:00:55.680 the holiday buying season here. Everyone's clicking, clicking, clicking. We 0:00:55.720 --> 0:00:58.280 just had cyber Monday biggest one Everett grows every year. 0:00:58.560 --> 0:01:00.760 We had a huge Black Friday, buying a lot of 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:03.080 stuff online or ordering it picking up later what it 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:06.039 might be. And we have seen a threat against the 0:01:06.080 --> 0:01:08.720 supply chain. For those at the user end can explain 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:10.280 what's going on here, what to look out for. 0:01:11.200 --> 0:01:13.720 Right, So what's crazy about this? 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:19.760 So MPMs are packets of data it's or it's it's software, 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:22.520 and what developers will do is they'll go out and 0:01:22.520 --> 0:01:25.040 get the software kind of like a marketplace, and they'll 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:28.279 pull it put it into their software that they write 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:30.479 so that they don't have to write those modules again. 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:35.920 So what basically happened here is uh is an individual 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:41.080 that manages these some of these MPMs, they were fished 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:47.640 and basically gave up access to these modules. Attacks went 0:01:47.680 --> 0:01:51.400 in modified them to when they were updated, like when 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:55.880 people update their software, and these are definitely the cyber 0:01:55.920 --> 0:01:58.279 attack went into all of these different pieces of software 0:01:58.280 --> 0:01:58.560 out there. 0:01:58.600 --> 0:02:01.320 So the problem with this is. 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:03.800 Is that developers don't always necessarily know what packages they 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:07.480 put into these applications. Companies they don't know if they 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:09.040 take a piece of software and they put it into 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:13.840 their websites or whatever. In this case, it's affecting a 0:02:13.880 --> 0:02:16.280 lot of crypto wallets that are out there, and so 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:20.680 it's a massive problem because this supply chain attack of 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:24.079 basically a supply chain of the piece of software that 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:26.560 gets to tribute all kinds of places with maybe no 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:30.679 record that's even there is. It can affect the applications 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:34.519 you use every day. And in a lot of case, 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:36.320 what they're seeing where a lot of these applications were 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:40.320 affected were crypto wallets. So if you're transferring crypto, one 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:44.079 of the things that's happening is malicious attackers. So it's 0:02:44.120 --> 0:02:46.720 where if you go to transfer crypto, the software actually 0:02:46.760 --> 0:02:50.400 swaps out the sending address that you're sending to with 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:56.160 their address, So they're accumulating crypto from people trying to 0:02:56.160 --> 0:02:59.119 make legitimate transactions by just changing that out. 0:02:59.240 --> 0:03:00.120 Wow, got it. 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:03.760 So now every time you click buy or you know, 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:05.680 add the car right now, now you've got to think 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:07.399 about that, right. 0:03:07.520 --> 0:03:08.320 No, it's crazy. 0:03:08.480 --> 0:03:11.160 As we talk with HB ninety six, it's even these 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:14.959 things can be related, right because you know, when when 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:18.280 it's software, it's embedded in software you use, you don't 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:21.359 necessarily know those things are happening. So like within PM 0:03:21.560 --> 0:03:24.800 it's invisible to everybody out there, you know, but it's everywhere, right. 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:28.119 It's the software library system that developers use to build 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:30.400 these apps and websites, and so you know, I think 0:03:30.440 --> 0:03:33.680 it's like the plumbing behind all of your favorite apps, you. 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:35.880 Know, right right right, We don't think about it until 0:03:35.960 --> 0:03:38.800 now we can breach that as well. And this gets 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:41.640 back to the discussion about HB ninety six, your cybersecurity 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:44.440 legislation across the state. The state says, well, if you're 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:46.360 in a municipality, you have to come up with a 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:49.560 plan to deal with cyber attacks on local level. You've 0:03:49.560 --> 0:03:53.200 got to review your do a systems review, identify risks 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:55.320 and mitigation and stuff like that. But I mean that'd 0:03:55.320 --> 0:03:58.520 be okay for Cincinnati, Columbus, Cleveland. Maybe if you're a 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:01.800 Toledo or a date. But what about a middle town. 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:05.360 We saw what happened well this past summer, systems down 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:09.280 timelines for restoration up in the air. I know that 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:11.280 it was a huge suthing to be a huge problem, 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:13.520 and the people in Middletown are actually angry. They want 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:14.720 to answer some this whole thing. 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:17.680 Well, see here, the thing about it is, and you know, 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:19.400 you and I've talked about cyber for a while here 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:22.440 is that the commodity technology that's out there in the 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:25.840 market just it just doesn't work. And and that's that's 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:28.480 something that people don't like me to say, especially in 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:31.360 this industry, but it's the truth of it. And you know, 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:33.640 if you look at all of the reports year after year, 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:37.320 the time it takes to detect a threat right now 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:38.440 is seven years. 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:40.440 I mean that seven years starts seven months. 0:04:40.839 --> 0:04:42.880 That's grown years. 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:43.240 I know that. 0:04:44.360 --> 0:04:47.280 Well sometimes you know, with with the attack against Dropbox 0:04:47.320 --> 0:04:50.960 it was four years, right so so, but average right 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:54.600 now with seven months and and and that's where you know, 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:57.560 the part of the issue is the cyber industry just 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:00.840 doesn't have a significant amount of technology you have to 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:05.240 pivot that really is effective. And when it is effective tech, 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:08.600 it does take teams that have had skill sets in 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:10.479 and have a lot of time to focus on that. 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:14.359 And unfortunately in our school districts and local governments, you know, 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:15.640 they don't have the funding. 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:17.919 You know, they're they're they're not giving the funding to 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:18.040 do it. 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:20.320 And you know, if you watch some of these uh 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:23.680 you know, council meetings, you'll find where you know, someone 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:26.840 bring up purchase for cybersecurity and it gets trumps because 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:30.040 of cydewalks fixes right and which are both important. But 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:32.440 but they just don't get the funding and they don't 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:35.240 have the resources. So to your point, yes, it's going 0:05:35.320 --> 0:05:35.920 to be a problem. 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:36.159 Now. 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:40.159 You know what happens though in these organizations is they 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:44.839 buy commodity software that is more automatic, and that's that's 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:47.760 part of the issue, is that the automatic approach to 0:05:47.839 --> 0:05:51.160 cyber treaty doesn't work, and so these school districts are 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:53.080 going to have to spend a lot more money. Local 0:05:53.160 --> 0:05:55.120 governments are gonna have to do the same. They're going 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:57.760 to have to bolster their teams up uh, and they're 0:05:57.760 --> 0:05:59.680 going to have to really be wise about the tech 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:03.280 that they buy inside the environments you know that they 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:03.960 that they use. 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:06.719 Right right, Well, that's the thing is finding the proper vendor. 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:09.640 But it's up to the municipality though to figure out, 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:11.600 you know, what the detection is there too. So the 0:06:11.880 --> 0:06:15.040 onus is on them is in this in this bill, 0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:16.880 can I just go wait a minute, I've got a 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:18.919 bad vendor or I hired someone doesn't know what the 0:06:18.920 --> 0:06:21.680 hell they're doing. Does that cover them legally from the 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:23.919 state perspective, What about that because I don't know what 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:24.480 I don't know. 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:26.400 You know, yeah, it doesn't. 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:28.920 And that's really the thing with all of this is that, 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:32.400 you know, companies have to be extremely careful about the 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:34.560 tech they buy. They can't just buy a brand name. 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:37.320 And in fact, if you look at that seven months 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:42.760 of time, that's driven by the you know, the organizations 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:44.560 that have quote unquote more market share. So you have 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:47.840 to be really careful about the organizations you buy because 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:50.200 at the end of the day, you are legally responsible 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:53.080 because you chose where to put the data. And in 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:56.840 this case, you know there there's you know, the responsibility 0:06:56.880 --> 0:06:58.920 to report. I mean, you have to report an incident 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:02.080 within seven days, you know, from when it happened. I 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:04.839 mean right now, it's seven months to even detect it. 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:09.680 You have to you know, you can't ransomware, which I 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:13.080 think is a good thing in most cases because it 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:17.080 will it will slow down the process for these attackers. 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:19.800 I think it'll make school districts a lot less of 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:22.120 a target in some ways because they'll be harder to 0:07:22.120 --> 0:07:26.800 get them. But they have to get either board approval 0:07:26.960 --> 0:07:28.760 or they have to get counsel approval to pay to 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:31.760 ransomware now, which is really good. But the other thing 0:07:31.760 --> 0:07:34.320 that I I'll say, I do really love about this bill, 0:07:35.360 --> 0:07:38.320 and it's something that I think Ohio did really really 0:07:38.360 --> 0:07:41.880 well and the states like California did really really poorly. 0:07:42.480 --> 0:07:47.120 And basically in this bill, it makes all cybersecurity records 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:51.800 and purchases confidential, and in like California, they have to 0:07:51.800 --> 0:07:55.840 report everything they do literally public record. And so why 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:59.560 that's important is when you're when you're fighting against cyber 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:02.720 tackers that know what they're doing, and if you have 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:06.280 a document that you literally just put out there right 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:09.240 and you tell everybody all the technology you use, and 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:12.000 all the purches you use, and all your records, then 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:13.920 they know exactly how to attack you. So I think 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:17.200 Ohio did a really good thing. You don't normally see 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:20.120 that from lawmakers a lot because they're not really technologically 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:21.520 advanced when they write these laws. 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:23.040 Ohio did an awesome job. 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:23.680 That's incredible. 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:27.600 Here's California, Silicon Valley, Apple, all these big and they 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:28.160 screw it up. 0:08:28.160 --> 0:08:30.760 Here's Ohio. We get it right. Good for right, we 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:31.120 get it right. 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:33.120 Oh the reason I live in Ohio now California, Chris 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:36.120 and I heis CEO of vigil and Cybersecurity in Cincinnati. 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:38.679 We're a few weeks in now to legislation that was 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:40.719 passed in the state of Ohio that says you got 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:42.400 to come up with a plan no matter how big 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:44.960 or small municipality is, your old town, your village, if 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:47.520 you have an online presence, you've got to come up 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:49.920 with a cyber plan. And there's a lot of questions 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:51.959 there for the smaller ones. I mean the big ones. 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:54.600 Cleveland had a huge cyber attack. They're a victim of. 0:08:55.760 --> 0:08:58.600 I believe the court system in Cleveland recently had that happen. 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:01.800 So it's big cities too, not just places like Middletown 0:09:02.200 --> 0:09:04.000 where we were shut down for a while, and the 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:05.960 residents are angry because they just want to know how 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:09.280 much information was compromised. We know, like, for example, the 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:11.640 one in Columbus, Columbus last year. As a matter of fact, 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:12.920 it was a major one. I think it breached like 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:18.480 five hundred thousand people, including names and dobs, addresses, tax accounts, socials, 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:20.720 all that stuff that's stolen and sold in the dark web. 0:09:21.000 --> 0:09:23.520 Still have no idea who did it, where the information is. 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:25.000 It's just out there in the ether and there's no 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:27.360 catching these people, as we've talked about before, Chris, But 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:29.680 those are two of many. I think the problem for 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:32.480 me is and I heard about this firsthand from a friend. 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:38.240 Kettering Health Alliance had a ransomware malware attack shut everything down, 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:40.680 and I don't know what the outcome was, but you know, 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:43.040 their pr people kind of played it close to the vest, like, Hey, 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:45.240 everything's fine, we got it under control, we're working on 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:48.040 the problem, and there's no disclosure. Now, if you're that's 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:50.520 one thing in your company, but if it's your health records, 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:53.000 if it's your social if it's your address, I need 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:57.679 to know that that information has been compromised and it's transparency, 0:09:57.800 --> 0:09:59.599 so you look at it go. You know, I just 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:01.320 don't want to held accountable. I don't want to get 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:04.040 voted out if I'm a Middletown City council person, if 0:10:04.080 --> 0:10:07.600 I'm the mayor of Columbus, or I'm the CEO of 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:11.360 a healthcare operation. I don't want that on my I'm 0:10:11.400 --> 0:10:13.600 the one stead staying on my record, so we'll downplay it. 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:16.080 That's not good for the people who have been victimized. 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:19.520 Though it's not you know, you know, we we have 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:21.600 to be better. You know, organizations have to be better 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:23.920 at communicating. They have to they have to not hide it. 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:24.880 You know. 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:27.800 That's where a lot of these classacks from lasting against 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:31.160 these organizations are starting to come around. The one thing 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:34.360 I will say is that is that when it comes 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:38.200 to these records, you know, when you when you want, 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:41.440 you know, our records, yours of mine already stolen. You know, 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:45.600 the majority of the population over eighteen already stolen. I mean, 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:48.720 there's been so many breaches one after the other that 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:52.080 data is out there, especially as social numbers things like that. 0:10:52.320 --> 0:10:56.160 You know, where schools come into play in the municipalities. 0:10:56.200 --> 0:11:00.199 There's two things that are interesting here. One is every 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:04.880 year as kids turn terms eighteen, right, it's a new 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:08.560 group of people whose identities haven't been compromised yet, and 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:10.959 so schools are a great place for attackers to come 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:14.640 in and get high value target information. And what I 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:17.559 mean high value target is yours. My records sell for 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:19.600 about a dollar out there in the marketplace. 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:21.120 Some of that's turning step. 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:23.040 You know, seventeen eighteen, their records are going to sell 0:11:23.080 --> 0:11:26.200 for a lot more out of the hacking marketplace because 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:29.080 they haven't been used yet whereas yours or mine, you know, 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:31.800 if they have to prove it everything else. So schools 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:33.839 are a major target for that. So you know, as 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:35.880 a parent, one of the things you can do right 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:38.319 now is make sure you get identity STEFF protection for 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:41.840 your kids. Even though they're under eighteen, they have to 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:44.079 have that. Make sure you lock down their credit because 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:46.680 what happens is these you know, go to apply for 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:48.920 their first vehicle and they realize they have a portable 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:53.200 credit score because you know their identity. Since you know 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:57.000 with that, when it comes to municipalities, you know, we 0:11:57.240 --> 0:12:01.160 are in an international cyber war already happens and people 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:04.760 in this industry know it. We as as you know, 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:08.040 citizens United States have to realize that it is. 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:09.439 An it is an actual. 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:13.480 Border to border war and and with that, our municipalities, 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:18.280 our local police departments are emergencies response systems. You know, 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:22.079 when cyber war continues to escalate, those are the places 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:24.080 that are going to get shut down first, right and 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:26.480 you're not going to have the services, So that there 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:28.960 has to be accountability to make sure that these things 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:32.160 are done right in that our identity is protected. 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:35.000 You just assume your information is out there as an adult. 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:37.880 And so you know, we have the credit monitoring thing 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:40.240 going on, and we have a LifeLock or whatever the 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:41.760 version is of it that we have, but that's a 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:44.720 good brand. And also make sure that our credit reports 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:46.720 are locked down. And so we originally bought a new 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:49.360 house and had to go remember to unlock all the 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:51.280 credit reports for a while till they pulled your credit 0:12:51.320 --> 0:12:54.160 and then lock them back up. Is that the best 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:55.840 pay is that the best you can do to prevent 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:58.280 your information from me you just assume it's being misused. 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:01.040 But if you have your credit the three credit beers 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:02.679 locked down, then there's not much they can do as 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:04.920 far as trying to get credit in your. 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:08.800 Name, right right, I mean, and that's finance side of things. 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:12.080 So yes, locking things down there, making sure you have 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:14.800 credit holds, you know, unless you're going to purchase something, 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:16.480 then turn the credit hold off and then turn it 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:20.400 back on. Make sure you're working with a reputable organization 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:23.000 will text your credit. But also make sure that you 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:25.440 have insurance around it, you know, identity step protection. You know, 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:28.160 getting your identity back can cost over a million dollars sometimes, 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:30.400 and so you know, I mean it depends you one 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:33.840 hundred thousand million, you know wherever, how widespread that is. 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:36.480 So make sure you have insurance, you know, with whoever 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:39.760 you're working with. And again for your kids. You have 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:42.280 to make sure that you do that for your kids. 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:43.720 If you if you don't, if you haven't done it, 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:47.160 do it today, right because right because it's it's a 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:47.960 growing problem. 0:13:48.240 --> 0:13:50.000 Because you're young, you don't, you're not, thank you, you know, 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:51.800 you haven't pulled any credit yet, and so I don't 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:52.880 need to lock my credit down. 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:53.200 I don't. 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:55.560 But all they need is a social Security number. And 0:13:55.720 --> 0:13:57.760 you know, you can be sixteen, seventeen, eighteen and they 0:13:57.760 --> 0:13:59.520 can use that social We've seen them use it for 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:02.880 dead people and newborns. Why not teenagers? We just don't 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:03.199 think of. 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:04.520 It right, right? 0:14:04.520 --> 0:14:06.440 And the other thing too is you know what you know, 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:08.959 want your kids, you turn a team, you know, help them, 0:14:09.600 --> 0:14:12.240 put them on your credit card as well, and and 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:15.320 then that way they have some if something does happen 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:18.280 where their identity is stolen, you at least have some 0:14:18.360 --> 0:14:20.560 good credit that is built then so they can they 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:22.440 can bounce it off, you know, set them up for success. 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:25.359 But yeah, it's you know, you know this data. 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:29.280 Is so widespread companies just I'll just say companies do not. 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:31.200 Protect data the way they're supposed to. 0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:34.120 And and a lot of it isn't their fault in 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:36.200 the sense of what we were talking about earlier. It's 0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:38.160 they're the ones that made the decision to choose the 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:41.560 technology or the solutions that they put in, but they 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:43.960 don't have the skill set to do the due diligence 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:47.200 to it, or they don't have the budget to purchase 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:49.960 the things they need, and so it is a growing problem. 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:50.800 It's going to keep. 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:54.080 Getting worse until there's a lot more accountability in place. 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:57.760 But then with accountability comes regulation, and with regulation there's 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:01.960 somethings less, less flexibility. So yes, it's a fine line. 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:06.520 Chris Nihi, CEO of Vigilant Cybersecurity and Cincinnati, always enjoy 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:09.160 the conversation the especially the eye opening information. 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:11.800 I appreciate you, Nik, I appreciate you, great guy. 0:15:11.960 --> 0:15:13.440 I had some good news over and I we didn't 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:15.080 get that a little bit of snow we're expected for 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:16.600 the commute this mornings, so that was kind of nice, 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:19.840 nice little surprise this morning, nice little surprise. We'll get 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:22.400 a news update in the latest and forecast, especially travel 0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:24.320 weather too. Know a number of people are going up 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:28.000 and myself included to Buffalo for the Bengals game. Should 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:32.040 be fantastic, and I have some observations about our weather 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:34.680 fear not totally unfounded. We'll get into that next and 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:37.840 best spot in Buffalo to get wings if you're headed 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:39.280 up there, you like where they get? Where do they 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:42.040 get the good wing? Play aware coming up next, Slooney 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:48.560 seven hundred WW Scott's Show. This is seven hundred w 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:50.960 W back half the week. All good, you good, I'm good, 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:53.640 you good. Okay, We're good, We're good. This is not 0:15:53.760 --> 0:15:57.040 something else gonna make you feel much older today, Sony 0:15:57.160 --> 0:16:00.560 PlayStation turns thirty thirty years old. 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:02.200 Of the PlayStation play stays on. 0:16:03.200 --> 0:16:05.320 And now you know, back in the day, it was 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:07.560 just the gaming console and you played against a computer 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:10.040 or a buddy. And now, of course you know, it's 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:13.720 a whole online gaming culture and it influences movie, TV shows, 0:16:13.760 --> 0:16:17.880 fashion now too as well. So the technology absolutely amazing. 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:21.640 Still the PlayStation two remains the best selling console of 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:24.960 all time, because I remember when that rolled out, it's like, oh, 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:27.160 you gotta get the PlayStation two. Why well, it's got 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:31.520 DVD player, and now before it's like five and to five. 0:16:33.200 --> 0:16:35.560 You know, you got different multiplayer oxtionens and different games 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:39.240 and stuff. But it's a whole Yeah, it's really turned 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:42.720 into a whole culture. And so thirty years old the PlayStation, however, 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:45.240 I am old enough to go, wow, my first look, well, 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:47.440 I think we had a tart like the early attar 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:49.120 when the first ataris some of My dad got one 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:52.040 and we played the hell out of that thing back 0:16:52.040 --> 0:16:54.920 in the day, you know, pac Man and especially Space 0:16:54.920 --> 0:16:57.920 Invaders and stuff. But I think the best one memory 0:16:57.960 --> 0:17:00.320 for me anyway was the remember the Sega had a 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:02.600 Sega play like NHL ninety four non stop. 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:04.520 It was great, and that was state of the art 0:17:04.560 --> 0:17:05.040 back in the day. 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:05.400 For sure. 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:07.800 You're like, wow, this is so realistic, and now you 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:10.080 know the players, it looks like real life. It's it's 0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:14.080 incredible how much better the technology gets, like every release, 0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:17.760 every new release at something else. Also news wise today, 0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:21.800 the story that is it was initially kind of like, oh, 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:25.760 that's what a story, but now it's turned entirely tragic. 0:17:25.880 --> 0:17:29.840 So the stolen Middletown police cruiser recovered in Independence, turn 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:32.440 out the person who stole it stabbed an individual Middletown 0:17:32.480 --> 0:17:34.800 thirty times, and when the cops showed up, Middletown police 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:37.760 showed up to respond, he snuck around and stole the cruiser. 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:40.600 He has been captured, as I said, though in independence 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:43.399 and a bunch of departments alerted to be on the 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:47.440 lookout for a cruiser. Yeah, and you know, before it 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:50.399 turned into an attempted murder. I don't know what the outcome. 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:52.440 I can't say I missed the whole story there or 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:54.920 the I know the guy was stabbed thirty times. I'm 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:56.560 sure it was fatal or not. You'd think it would be, 0:17:56.680 --> 0:17:59.639 but hopefully it's not. Is that what a story that 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:03.639 would be outside of the attempted homicide? Like, what is 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:05.200 going through your mind? They're like, I'm going to steal 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:08.119 this police car because initially before the story out there 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:09.280 was an attempted murder? 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:10.119 Was it? 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:12.080 Somebody just took the car and enjoy road And I 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:14.080 was like, okay, well you left it running. What's going 0:18:14.080 --> 0:18:16.560 on now? Typically, you know, not always, but you know 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:19.960 they will they lock the car. But some situation like this, 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:23.000 obviously you're trying to respond to a life or desk situation, 0:18:23.200 --> 0:18:25.199 so that explains it, but guy jumps in the car 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:27.600 takes off with it, like, you know that's not gonna 0:18:27.640 --> 0:18:30.479 end well, right, because first of all, you know they 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:33.280 have GPS on it. I would think you also have 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:36.159 every other agency in the state, and while actually in 0:18:36.200 --> 0:18:38.719 probably two or three states with that matter, not just Ohio, 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:41.760 but Kentucky and Indiana. Bolo goes out, Okay, we're looking 0:18:41.800 --> 0:18:45.600 for a Middletown suv. It's not like it's just hey, 0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:47.800 is we're looking for a white suv? That'd be hard 0:18:48.160 --> 0:18:54.560 difficulty level gets much much better easier gameplay when it's 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:57.800 got Middletown police all over it and you're driving through Kentucky. 0:18:58.119 --> 0:18:58.520 Ignore. 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:00.360 Let would stand out in at one point they were 0:19:00.440 --> 0:19:03.320 driving with the with the lights activated, and maybe the 0:19:03.320 --> 0:19:04.800 person driving is like, hey, I know me to get 0:19:04.840 --> 0:19:07.040 a cop, but what the hell, it's gonna be a 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:09.000 great story. I'm rolling in, you know, try to kill 0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:11.399 someone and I'm rolling and a stolen police car. I 0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:13.119 might as well turn the lights and sirens on. I 0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:16.119 might as well get maximized the fun here and obviously 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:19.640 taking to the custody there. So good it was get 0:19:19.680 --> 0:19:23.720 that that idiot off the street, you know, what but 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:25.280 it makes sense. I was like, okay, I got to 0:19:25.280 --> 0:19:27.680 get away. The only thing available would be a police car. Okay, 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:30.880 that makes sense. I was thinking initially it was parked somewhere, 0:19:31.160 --> 0:19:32.520 I'll run in to get a cup of coffee, go 0:19:32.560 --> 0:19:34.879 to the bathroom, whatever, And someone stole a police car, Like, 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:37.560 you're just asking asking for trouble. 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:38.800 They're asking for trouble. 0:19:40.960 --> 0:19:44.119 Yesterday we had residents of Victory Vista apartments and Paddo 0:19:44.200 --> 0:19:48.600 Hills showing up to council because the new owners are 0:19:48.720 --> 0:19:50.960 I guess the developers. Anyway, there's a threat that they 0:19:51.000 --> 0:19:53.760 could double or triple their current rent payments. Now it 0:19:53.800 --> 0:19:55.480 is the land on myself, I go, wow, what what 0:19:55.560 --> 0:19:57.320 are you doing that would cause you to have to 0:19:57.480 --> 0:20:02.200 double or triple your current rent payment? So their city council, 0:20:02.240 --> 0:20:04.920 the mayor mayor after a puirval, was pretty outrage about this, 0:20:05.040 --> 0:20:09.440 saying it's wrong and he's furious and potentially predatory, and 0:20:09.520 --> 0:20:13.000 I'm all for everybody getting their money, but this, even 0:20:13.560 --> 0:20:15.959 this is something that gives the landlord's a bad name. 0:20:16.000 --> 0:20:18.359 But also the fact of the matter is it's just 0:20:18.560 --> 0:20:22.080 it's confiscatory, is what it is. Doubling or tripling the rent. 0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:24.119 I mean, how much were we paying like a dollar 0:20:24.320 --> 0:20:28.359 a month before, right, I mean how much I would 0:20:28.400 --> 0:20:30.520 think I was like pretty close to it may be 0:20:30.640 --> 0:20:33.480 below fair market value, okay, you know, we want to 0:20:33.640 --> 0:20:35.680 kind of keep up, and there's expenses and everything else, 0:20:35.760 --> 0:20:38.920 and not everyone who's the landlord is an evil, you know, 0:20:39.040 --> 0:20:42.720 moniacal mustache, twirling money baron for crying out Loud'm just 0:20:42.760 --> 0:20:46.200 trying to make a profit here. But he said he 0:20:46.240 --> 0:20:48.159 we're gonna take action or city's looking at action. And 0:20:48.640 --> 0:20:50.520 this is from where it was Local twelve head of 0:20:50.520 --> 0:20:52.600 the store. I did an interview with him and the 0:20:52.840 --> 0:20:56.920 developer though the buildings developer kingsleyan Company is one of 0:20:56.960 --> 0:21:02.040 the principles in that company is Chiddenman duke Way. Of course, 0:21:02.119 --> 0:21:07.280 Chinman Dukeway was central in the PG Sittenfeld arrest. Now, 0:21:07.320 --> 0:21:10.520 of course those charges no longer they all dismissed. He's 0:21:10.520 --> 0:21:13.160 out of jail. And now you start wondering, well, maybe 0:21:13.200 --> 0:21:15.320 it wasn't PG. Maybe it was Chittleman Duke Way. Is 0:21:15.320 --> 0:21:20.720 there's maybe he's the guy that's driving. So they developed 0:21:20.760 --> 0:21:22.560 the building and they had federal tax money involved a 0:21:22.600 --> 0:21:26.560 million dollar capital grant from the city, and they received 0:21:26.600 --> 0:21:29.240 a one tax abatement over fifteen years from the city 0:21:29.359 --> 0:21:31.080 based on the estimated two and a half million dollar 0:21:31.160 --> 0:21:33.160 worth of the of the building after it was built. 0:21:33.800 --> 0:21:37.639 And so in the abatement application they said without it, 0:21:38.200 --> 0:21:40.600 they we'd be about a million two short on it, 0:21:40.680 --> 0:21:42.760 and so they gave a taxibatement to make up the difference. 0:21:43.240 --> 0:21:46.240 And they also said, by the way, it's like, well, 0:21:46.280 --> 0:21:48.560 we're not increasing rent right now, We're going to wait 0:21:48.600 --> 0:21:49.639 till after the first year. 0:21:50.560 --> 0:21:51.480 Well, you know it is. 0:21:53.520 --> 0:21:55.600 I want to point this out, but it's December fourth. 0:21:57.359 --> 0:21:59.320 Well I'm technically we're not going to do it right now. 0:21:59.400 --> 0:22:02.840 That would be but starting January first, double or triple. 0:22:03.080 --> 0:22:04.760 I don't think I've ever heard that one before where 0:22:04.800 --> 0:22:06.680 your rent has gone up double or triple. Maybe in 0:22:07.280 --> 0:22:09.360 you know, out west or something where the real estate 0:22:09.440 --> 0:22:11.639 is ridiculously expensive out there and the cost rentals are 0:22:11.720 --> 0:22:15.359 ridiculous expensive, but certainly not here in the Midwest alone Cincinnati, Like, 0:22:15.440 --> 0:22:18.000 what do you do? Why would you double or triple 0:22:18.040 --> 0:22:19.400 the rent at this point? I don't know if it's 0:22:20.760 --> 0:22:21.960 you know, I don't know, it's like a total I 0:22:22.000 --> 0:22:24.639 don't know entirely about the building Victory Vista Apartments. But 0:22:25.560 --> 0:22:28.119 typically if you're doing this, is that a remodel is 0:22:28.160 --> 0:22:30.200 it a complete build? And I don't know how you 0:22:30.200 --> 0:22:32.040 went in factor that in and during the cost thing, 0:22:32.119 --> 0:22:34.280 it just seems like you're asking for trouble, taking the 0:22:34.320 --> 0:22:37.000 tax money and then doubling or tripling the rent. If 0:22:37.040 --> 0:22:39.360 indeed that is the story, So we'll find out for sure, 0:22:39.440 --> 0:22:42.080 but that is a disturbing story, and especially when it's seniors, 0:22:42.080 --> 0:22:43.760 it's just not a good look for you as a 0:22:43.840 --> 0:22:45.000 business person for sure. 0:22:46.440 --> 0:22:47.479 Also, I have this story here. 0:22:49.080 --> 0:22:50.560 I love a good prank, You love a good prank, 0:22:50.600 --> 0:22:52.240 and it seems like we are in the post prank 0:22:52.320 --> 0:22:55.439 era because everyone takes a prank so freaking seriously. Now, 0:22:55.800 --> 0:22:58.359 I understand if there's something whether someone's in danger to 0:22:58.520 --> 0:23:01.919 do something that's you know, like the what's the one 0:23:02.000 --> 0:23:04.480 teams are doing now that the you know, knock on 0:23:04.560 --> 0:23:07.080 the door, you know, palm the door with your foot 0:23:07.160 --> 0:23:09.199 or something like that and people come out and now 0:23:09.240 --> 0:23:12.080 people are getting shot over it. Now, you know, if 0:23:12.080 --> 0:23:14.000 you're damaging the door, that's one thing, but you know, 0:23:14.200 --> 0:23:17.040 knocking and running ding dong ditch basically is what it is. 0:23:17.480 --> 0:23:19.400 We used to do that back in the day, not today, 0:23:19.480 --> 0:23:20.960 you know, people getting shot. 0:23:20.760 --> 0:23:21.480 Over things like that. 0:23:22.000 --> 0:23:23.480 We've taken a little bit more seriously and than it 0:23:23.520 --> 0:23:26.800 should be, and we also take any prank. What's over 0:23:26.920 --> 0:23:29.200 now is like some sort of act of youd think 0:23:30.200 --> 0:23:33.560 they're eligibly be interned in Gitmo or something like that. Right, 0:23:35.880 --> 0:23:37.800 but I saw this one a while that that is 0:23:37.880 --> 0:23:41.440 definitely something I'm going to replicate. So this is out 0:23:41.800 --> 0:23:44.040 I think in the Northeast, and they're digging up a 0:23:44.200 --> 0:23:46.680 I don't know, it's a concrete foundation or something concrete. 0:23:46.920 --> 0:23:49.240 So they're breaking up concrete and they find a human 0:23:49.320 --> 0:23:52.840 skull in the concrete. So everything on the job it stops. 0:23:52.960 --> 0:23:55.000 I don't know how big a project it was, so 0:23:55.080 --> 0:23:56.720 it looked like maybe some of the pictures it was 0:23:56.800 --> 0:23:59.280 a some sort of yard remodel, something along those lines, 0:23:59.560 --> 0:24:01.359 maybe doing an addition on a house. Didn't look like 0:24:01.400 --> 0:24:03.879 it was commercial. But nonetheless, and they find a skull, 0:24:04.000 --> 0:24:06.720 a human skull in the concrete. Well that's gonna stop 0:24:07.359 --> 0:24:09.879 work right there. We're gonna shut this down. So they 0:24:09.960 --> 0:24:11.920 come in and investigate a look at it. They pull 0:24:11.960 --> 0:24:14.200 it out like okay, well, worker zooms. They send it 0:24:14.280 --> 0:24:16.800 to the forensic laboratory. The corner's looking at it, they're 0:24:16.840 --> 0:24:22.679 doing sampling. They find out it was a fake skull. Now, 0:24:22.720 --> 0:24:27.119 immediately I heard that one. That is brilliant. I mean, 0:24:27.240 --> 0:24:30.560 you want to talk about a long play, like the 0:24:30.760 --> 0:24:35.400 longest play prank, because normally you put concrete down, it's 0:24:35.440 --> 0:24:37.520 gonna be there for a minute, it's it's gonna be 0:24:37.600 --> 0:24:41.320 there well forever. Or you know, if you're doing a dack, 0:24:41.400 --> 0:24:43.919 let's say, and you're putting you know, peers in a pielone, 0:24:43.960 --> 0:24:45.480 whatever it is, you put that in and you go, 0:24:45.840 --> 0:24:48.320 it's gonna be you know, twenty thirty years before somebody 0:24:48.359 --> 0:24:52.640 breaks us up. That is a long play on a gag. 0:24:53.040 --> 0:24:56.040 But so from now, and I look, by the way 0:24:56.080 --> 0:24:59.160 I looked on Amazon, you can get a lifelike looking 0:24:59.280 --> 0:25:02.680 human skull made a plastic made a resin for about 0:25:02.720 --> 0:25:07.440 eighteen bucks. Now to me, that's a sound investment. There's 0:25:07.520 --> 0:25:11.240 nothing better than a good prank, especially a prank where 0:25:11.320 --> 0:25:13.440 it's such a long like I'll be dead by the 0:25:13.520 --> 0:25:16.320 time somebody unearths this and goes, oh my god, it's 0:25:16.359 --> 0:25:18.200 a human skull and then finds out it's a resin. 0:25:18.480 --> 0:25:22.159 Maybe put a note inside the skull, like gotcha or 0:25:22.200 --> 0:25:25.280 something like that, so somebody in the future will be 0:25:25.320 --> 0:25:27.920 digging up. I don't know, not that I'm digging, you know, 0:25:28.280 --> 0:25:29.800 putting a lot and saw a lot of concrete a 0:25:29.880 --> 0:25:32.000 foreign slab and maybe put it below it or something 0:25:32.080 --> 0:25:34.680 like that. But that would be unbelievable. I mean you 0:25:34.680 --> 0:25:36.480 would if you're on the job right of your contractor 0:25:36.480 --> 0:25:38.560 you're shaking your head, probably laughing, going that would be 0:25:38.560 --> 0:25:40.520 an unbelievable plant. I wouldn't I won't be there to 0:25:40.560 --> 0:25:46.000 see it, but just knowing that it is going to 0:25:46.040 --> 0:25:49.560 pay dividends in the future to me worth the eighteen bucks, 0:25:49.800 --> 0:25:54.800 worth the eighteen bucks every time out of more seriously, 0:25:54.800 --> 0:25:56.520 I might have to get someone on the show next week. 0:25:56.560 --> 0:25:58.960 I'm off Monday going up to Buffalo for the game, 0:25:59.000 --> 0:26:02.520 but on Tuesday maybe. And I think I had George 0:26:02.600 --> 0:26:05.920 laying out of Westchester on this. I was kind of 0:26:05.960 --> 0:26:06.440 all for this. 0:26:06.960 --> 0:26:08.080 Did you have a job when you're a kid? 0:26:08.119 --> 0:26:08.560 I did. 0:26:08.920 --> 0:26:11.080 My first job was in high school I think goes 0:26:11.119 --> 0:26:14.119 like maybe sixteen years old, and it was one of 0:26:14.160 --> 0:26:16.919 those deals where you would, you know, go to school 0:26:17.040 --> 0:26:18.480 for half the day and then go to work for 0:26:18.520 --> 0:26:20.520 the other half. Because I'm not an academic guy. I 0:26:20.520 --> 0:26:22.200 couldn't wait to get at school. And it was great 0:26:22.240 --> 0:26:23.800 because you know, at that age you're making your own 0:26:23.800 --> 0:26:25.720 money and it's the best time of your life. The 0:26:25.800 --> 0:26:29.119 best job sometimes is the first job because you literally 0:26:29.280 --> 0:26:32.280 are you know, you're living at home. Usually mom, you're 0:26:32.280 --> 0:26:34.680 not really contributing anything. Mom and Dad are paying for food. 0:26:34.680 --> 0:26:37.440 They're paying the mortgage on the house. It's probably not 0:26:37.560 --> 0:26:39.399 your car, or maybe that is. You got to pay 0:26:39.440 --> 0:26:43.600 for gas or insurance. Normally that money is pure profit 0:26:43.720 --> 0:26:45.280 for you. So you know, you go nuts, you learn 0:26:45.320 --> 0:26:47.600 how to manage money and that stuff. So the proposal 0:26:47.840 --> 0:26:49.800 was here at the state level and this passed had 0:26:49.840 --> 0:26:52.840 Senate Bill fifty that would allow teenagers to work until 0:26:52.920 --> 0:26:54.840 nine pm on school nights, as long as they had 0:26:54.880 --> 0:26:57.920 permission from their parents or legal guardians. And the law 0:26:58.160 --> 0:27:00.320 the way laws right now, if you're fourteen and fifteen, 0:27:01.040 --> 0:27:04.199 you are prohibited working past seven pm during the school year, 0:27:04.320 --> 0:27:07.360 during during school weekends or whatever. It's fine, but seven 0:27:07.400 --> 0:27:09.560 o'clock is the curfew for you. If you're a fourteen 0:27:09.640 --> 0:27:11.600 or fifty year old. Workplace and they said, well, why 0:27:11.640 --> 0:27:14.080 don't we make that nine o'clock? And you would think, 0:27:14.160 --> 0:27:18.200 I don't know why dwine vetoed this other than saying 0:27:18.200 --> 0:27:20.000 in the quote, is I believe it's unwise to bribe 0:27:20.240 --> 0:27:22.040 for fourteen and fifty year olds to work on a 0:27:22.040 --> 0:27:25.000 school night, that late at night. I see no compelling 0:27:25.080 --> 0:27:29.480 reason to deviate from current law. Someone from the Children's 0:27:29.480 --> 0:27:31.760 Defense Froent of Ohio said, but simply a children should 0:27:31.760 --> 0:27:34.600 not have to be the solution to adult problems. What 0:27:34.720 --> 0:27:39.040 the hell does that even mean? I know, the Fair 0:27:39.160 --> 0:27:42.000 Labor Standards Act prohibits fourteen and fifteen year olds from 0:27:42.040 --> 0:27:45.080 working before it's it's federal law before seven or after 0:27:45.200 --> 0:27:49.480 seven in school year seven am seven pm. And there's 0:27:49.520 --> 0:27:53.320 exemptions there too, annual revenues family businesses. But yeah, there's 0:27:53.320 --> 0:27:55.000 another thing too. You know, you see a lot of kids, 0:27:55.200 --> 0:27:59.360 especially the restaurants, mom and pop restaurants, ethnic restaurants, where 0:27:59.359 --> 0:28:01.439 the kids are there a table, you know, looking at 0:28:01.440 --> 0:28:03.720 their iPad or coloring or doing homework or whatever it is, 0:28:05.080 --> 0:28:07.480 and sometimes maybe taking the garbage out or doing some work, 0:28:07.640 --> 0:28:10.520 probably long before they're fourteen or fifty. Farmers another great 0:28:10.560 --> 0:28:13.880 example of that. But that's different, Like, well, all right, 0:28:13.960 --> 0:28:17.640 so this is just about urban kids, and I would 0:28:17.680 --> 0:28:19.200 look at this going well, Number one is, and this 0:28:19.359 --> 0:28:23.200 is where I deviate from Democrats and Republicans. 0:28:23.400 --> 0:28:26.240 Is that I believe you, as a parent, you have 0:28:26.359 --> 0:28:27.480 the right to screw up your kid. 0:28:29.040 --> 0:28:30.760 Now I'm not talking about it, you know, and we've 0:28:30.800 --> 0:28:35.119 criminalized some things that should be criminalized, quite honestly, Like 0:28:35.200 --> 0:28:37.960 if you decide that you know your kid wants to 0:28:38.400 --> 0:28:40.560 eventually it's and we have to have a minimum age 0:28:40.600 --> 0:28:42.960 for this obviously, but you know, you decide that you 0:28:43.040 --> 0:28:46.960 know your your son is probably wants to be a girl, 0:28:47.040 --> 0:28:49.880 or vice versa, or that seems like a parnal decision 0:28:49.920 --> 0:28:54.240 to me. Now I look at that and go, you know, 0:28:55.000 --> 0:28:56.600 I'm glad I'm not in their shoes. It's gonna be 0:28:56.600 --> 0:28:59.560 a difficult thing to navigate, but I think most parents 0:28:59.600 --> 0:29:01.560 try to do brother kids and you know, having the 0:29:01.600 --> 0:29:04.240 state take that away or make a decision there, to me, 0:29:04.360 --> 0:29:06.480 that cuts to the core of what we're talking about here, 0:29:06.680 --> 0:29:08.440 and that is the nanny state. You can't be against 0:29:08.480 --> 0:29:10.720 the nanny state when it's someone else, when someone you 0:29:10.800 --> 0:29:12.640 disagree doing it, and for it when it's something else. 0:29:12.640 --> 0:29:15.280 It doesn't work that way. They just leaving the state 0:29:15.320 --> 0:29:15.600 out of it. 0:29:15.680 --> 0:29:19.200 Seems to work best parents always make not always, but 0:29:19.640 --> 0:29:22.960 parents make bad decisions from time to time. Of course, 0:29:23.000 --> 0:29:26.920 there are many parents who always make bad decisions. But 0:29:27.040 --> 0:29:28.720 in this case, I look at it going, all right, Well, 0:29:28.760 --> 0:29:30.520 if mom and dad are fine with your kid, with 0:29:30.640 --> 0:29:32.920 your fourteen year old working till nine o'clock, I mean 0:29:32.960 --> 0:29:37.400 it's not midnight, two am, the overnight shift. You're talking 0:29:37.400 --> 0:29:40.880 about nine pm. And if you're going to do this 0:29:40.960 --> 0:29:42.560 and go okay, fine, we're going to nanny state this, 0:29:44.360 --> 0:29:51.000 then should we not outlaw any student activities past nine pm. 0:29:53.120 --> 0:29:56.800 My nephew played sports and sometimes his practices didn't start 0:29:56.920 --> 0:30:00.320 till eight or nine o'clock at night because that's the 0:30:00.360 --> 0:30:02.560 only time they could get, you know, in case hockey 0:30:02.680 --> 0:30:05.880 ring space. And there are times where you you have 0:30:06.000 --> 0:30:08.000 that it's like well I can't or you know, you're 0:30:08.000 --> 0:30:09.600 working on you're in the gym, working on your free 0:30:09.640 --> 0:30:12.479 throws till seven, eight, nine o'clock at night. I mean, 0:30:12.520 --> 0:30:14.560 what if you in your driveway doing that, did the 0:30:14.560 --> 0:30:16.240 police come and arrest you because your kid is at 0:30:16.440 --> 0:30:18.400 nine oh one they're shooting free what thell's the difference 0:30:19.000 --> 0:30:21.680 gets you're still participating sports and extracurriculars at that time. 0:30:22.280 --> 0:30:24.240 If someone chooses to work some other and the other 0:30:24.720 --> 0:30:25.800 somehow they're being exploited. 0:30:25.880 --> 0:30:26.240 No, they're not. 0:30:26.440 --> 0:30:28.440 If mom and dad will say it's okay for you 0:30:28.520 --> 0:30:31.000 to work at fourteen or fifteen, that is none of 0:30:31.040 --> 0:30:33.120 the business. But anyway, but mom and dad, I'm sorry. 0:30:34.560 --> 0:30:35.800 We've got a time out of We got news on 0:30:35.880 --> 0:30:39.520 the way in just minutes. We've got some political news 0:30:39.560 --> 0:30:41.960 going on here too. And history is always the best 0:30:42.000 --> 0:30:44.600 indicator of future behavior, especially are we in the new 0:30:44.680 --> 0:30:47.120 age of McCarthyism. Guests to talk about that next year 0:30:47.120 --> 0:30:49.840 in the scots Land Show seven hundred WWT Cincinnati, Do 0:30:49.880 --> 0:30:50.400 you want. 0:30:50.240 --> 0:30:52.000 To be an American idiot? 0:30:52.720 --> 0:30:55.520 He's got a flow shore here on seven hundred WLW. 0:30:55.720 --> 0:30:56.600 We have culture wars. 0:30:57.280 --> 0:31:01.040 We have free speech protests on campus, we have free 0:31:01.080 --> 0:31:05.320 speech safe spaces on campus. We have the erosion of 0:31:05.440 --> 0:31:07.480 political decorum. If you look at it, it looks like 0:31:07.560 --> 0:31:11.880 some I don't know, sometimes lawmakers and elected officials act 0:31:12.080 --> 0:31:14.960 like some third world types where they're throwing shoes at 0:31:14.960 --> 0:31:17.560 each other and flinging poo like monkeys. We have canceled culture, 0:31:17.800 --> 0:31:20.160 all this stuff, and it's been bruined for quite some time. 0:31:20.240 --> 0:31:22.000 The question is are we living in a new era 0:31:22.080 --> 0:31:24.880 of McCarthy As a senator, Joe McCarthy goes back to 0:31:24.960 --> 0:31:27.880 the nineteen fifties. It was called the Red Scare back then, 0:31:27.920 --> 0:31:31.640 if you remember from school, and it was basically going 0:31:31.680 --> 0:31:34.640 after communism, and there's a lot of feels a lot 0:31:34.680 --> 0:31:36.800 of people believe that we're going through the second era 0:31:37.000 --> 0:31:39.360 of this, although no one's really stood up to be 0:31:39.440 --> 0:31:43.360 the new Joe McCarthy. Clay Risen writes about this in 0:31:43.560 --> 0:31:45.440 Red Scare and joins the show now on seven hundred 0:31:45.520 --> 0:31:48.240 WW and Clay, welcome to the show. And it is 0:31:48.320 --> 0:31:51.840 an absolute fact that history almost always repeats itself, isn't 0:31:51.880 --> 0:31:52.240 that true? 0:31:53.120 --> 0:31:55.320 Yeah, thanks for having me, Scott. You know, when I 0:31:55.600 --> 0:31:58.400 sat down to write this book, I really wanted to 0:31:58.440 --> 0:32:02.640 write a book of history, and it is, but it 0:32:02.760 --> 0:32:05.760 turns out I was also writing current events in a 0:32:05.800 --> 0:32:08.320 way every day brings a new parallel. 0:32:08.600 --> 0:32:11.720 Yeah, you know, some fifty plus sixty years later, we're 0:32:11.760 --> 0:32:14.000 doing this again. So for those of them have forgotten 0:32:14.040 --> 0:32:17.440 since grade school or college. Shoe McCarthy, a senator, from Wisconsin, 0:32:17.520 --> 0:32:20.280 I believe, rose to national prominence in the nineteen fifties. 0:32:20.600 --> 0:32:23.440 There are a lot of political circumstances that allowed that 0:32:23.560 --> 0:32:25.760 to occur. You know, we had the Cold Wars post 0:32:25.840 --> 0:32:28.600 World War Two. Tensions with the US and Soviet Union 0:32:29.840 --> 0:32:33.520 escalated pretty rapidly immediately after the war. We're very afraid 0:32:33.560 --> 0:32:37.880 of communism and nuclear annihilation and espionage, and there were 0:32:37.920 --> 0:32:41.560 actual a bunch of real Soviet espionage cases that started 0:32:41.560 --> 0:32:44.680 in the nineteen forties and continued in the fifties. China 0:32:44.720 --> 0:32:47.760 fell to communism during that period of time as well, 0:32:48.280 --> 0:32:49.840 and there's an opportunity there, right. 0:32:50.920 --> 0:32:53.080 Yeah, absolutely, I mean, I think one of the things 0:32:53.160 --> 0:32:56.080 that people need to keep in mind is there was 0:32:56.120 --> 0:32:58.080 a there there. I mean, as you point out, the 0:32:58.240 --> 0:33:01.480 threat from the Soviet Union in the Cold War was real, 0:33:01.720 --> 0:33:05.160 and the Communist Party in the United States were bad 0:33:05.240 --> 0:33:08.280 actors for the most part. And uh, you know, there 0:33:08.360 --> 0:33:11.520 really were Soviet spies in the US government, although most 0:33:11.560 --> 0:33:15.000 of them were gone and had you know, turned or 0:33:15.120 --> 0:33:17.719 stopped their work at the time the Red Scare started. 0:33:18.080 --> 0:33:22.080 But that's all true. But also it was an excuse 0:33:22.960 --> 0:33:26.040 in you know four people like McCarthy. But there were 0:33:26.080 --> 0:33:30.520 lots of others to take up this mantle, this this 0:33:30.800 --> 0:33:35.080 this tool and use it for opportunism, uh, you know, 0:33:35.160 --> 0:33:38.480 to advance their own careers, to go after political enemies, 0:33:38.840 --> 0:33:41.040 to make up political enemies. A lot of the people 0:33:41.120 --> 0:33:45.040 who suffered during the Red Scare had done nothing at 0:33:45.080 --> 0:33:48.720 all and were simply tarnished by guilt by association. 0:33:50.480 --> 0:33:51.320 And that ended. 0:33:51.360 --> 0:33:54.520 I think there's a congressional hearing and national television and 0:33:54.640 --> 0:33:57.200 McCarthy basically when I think ever for like Eisenhower called 0:33:57.320 --> 0:33:58.600 a communist or something. 0:33:58.440 --> 0:34:00.440 Like that's something crazy, like people like what. 0:34:03.040 --> 0:34:03.480 Someone else? 0:34:04.080 --> 0:34:06.800 No, No, it was well, Eisenhower was sort of behind 0:34:06.840 --> 0:34:10.360 the scenes that he never liked McCarthy, and Eisenhower didn't 0:34:10.719 --> 0:34:13.800 really buy into the Red Scare, although he uh, you know, 0:34:14.280 --> 0:34:17.840 did his fair share of of red bating, but he 0:34:17.960 --> 0:34:19.920 never thought that this was really a threat, and he 0:34:19.960 --> 0:34:23.640 saw McCarthy as a real problem for the country, but 0:34:23.719 --> 0:34:26.279 he was unwilling to really stand up and take him 0:34:26.320 --> 0:34:29.480 on directly. He didn't think that was becoming of a president, 0:34:29.920 --> 0:34:33.520 and so he sort of pulled strings to help arrange for, 0:34:33.960 --> 0:34:36.440 like you said, a hearing where it was actually a 0:34:36.840 --> 0:34:40.400 private sector lawyer who was hired. This is the this 0:34:40.520 --> 0:34:43.920 involved the army. It's a long story, but its lawyer 0:34:44.080 --> 0:34:50.000 Joe Welch, who himself kind of arranged almost an ambush. 0:34:50.480 --> 0:34:55.200 He was quite the actor, quite the courtroom officionado, and 0:34:55.520 --> 0:34:59.480 he arranged for a trap basically to make McCarthy uh 0:35:00.160 --> 0:35:04.479 lash out at a young staffer and he then said 0:35:04.640 --> 0:35:07.719 have you no decency at Long Leaps? Or He had 0:35:07.800 --> 0:35:12.160 this great speech that he unfinded on national television and 0:35:12.239 --> 0:35:15.080 people got to see sort of the ugly side of 0:35:15.160 --> 0:35:18.200 all this. Right, McCarthy was one thing in Prince People 0:35:18.320 --> 0:35:20.960 saw him on TV. And you're right that in a 0:35:21.040 --> 0:35:25.320 way not only undermined McCarthy, but undermined everything that the 0:35:25.440 --> 0:35:29.920 Red scare, that that ardent anti communists were going for. 0:35:31.000 --> 0:35:32.359 It really took a lot of wind out. 0:35:32.239 --> 0:35:32.720 Of the sales. 0:35:33.840 --> 0:35:38.400 But you know, yeah, it's a it's a very dramatic moment. 0:35:38.400 --> 0:35:38.680 All right. 0:35:39.000 --> 0:35:41.000 So that Clay, that's okay. So that's a history point 0:35:41.000 --> 0:35:42.759 of worry histing lesson. I feel like I should have 0:35:42.760 --> 0:35:45.680 a chalkboard out or something like that. But we were like, 0:35:45.719 --> 0:35:47.680 oh yeah, okay, I remember this whole thing. That's the background. 0:35:47.719 --> 0:35:49.440 So how does that translate to today. 0:35:50.800 --> 0:35:52.680 Well, I think you know, a lot of the things 0:35:52.800 --> 0:35:56.239 that we see popping up today are you follow the 0:35:56.280 --> 0:36:00.520 same playbook, right, So, whether it's legislation that is still 0:36:00.560 --> 0:36:03.560 on the book, or whether it's just uh, you know, 0:36:04.200 --> 0:36:08.880 tactics that people in the administration or or in uh 0:36:09.920 --> 0:36:13.640 Congress or just out in the media are are using 0:36:13.719 --> 0:36:18.080 in terms of guilt by association, in terms of uh hyperbole, 0:36:18.400 --> 0:36:20.400 and you know, so they are echoes. 0:36:20.800 --> 0:36:22.120 But I also think that. 0:36:22.880 --> 0:36:25.000 Give me an example of that. What do you talk specifically? 0:36:25.760 --> 0:36:27.040 Well, okay, so I mean. 0:36:27.560 --> 0:36:29.920 I'll give you an example. You know, when we had 0:36:30.000 --> 0:36:36.680 the uh, the the scare around Haitian immigrants in Ohio, right, 0:36:36.760 --> 0:36:41.080 and you know, they're they're eating dogs or cats or whatever. 0:36:41.160 --> 0:36:44.960 And there was a point where, uh, you know, there's 0:36:45.000 --> 0:36:48.480 a point where Jade Vance as the time a senator said, uh, 0:36:48.600 --> 0:36:51.279 you know, it doesn't matter whether what you know. He said, 0:36:51.320 --> 0:36:53.920 I I believe this. I'm saying that some people gave 0:36:54.000 --> 0:36:56.080 him proof that it wasn't true. He said, what doesn't 0:36:56.080 --> 0:36:58.520 matter whether what I say is true or not. That's 0:36:58.600 --> 0:37:01.160 up to you the media, to prove me wrong. And 0:37:01.320 --> 0:37:05.080 essentially he was saying exactly what McCarthy was doing, was saying, 0:37:05.480 --> 0:37:08.400 you know, fifty seventy years ago, saying, I'm going to 0:37:08.480 --> 0:37:11.719 throw a bunch of stuff out there, this incendiary and 0:37:12.360 --> 0:37:15.520 see what sticks. And if it doesn't, I'll say more 0:37:15.600 --> 0:37:19.879 stuff and and it's up to you public politicians, whatever 0:37:20.320 --> 0:37:23.400 to to figure it out. But you know, implicit in 0:37:23.520 --> 0:37:27.640 that is I'm gonna say whatever I want, truth be damned, 0:37:28.000 --> 0:37:30.759 and we'll see where it goes. Right, And that to me, 0:37:31.400 --> 0:37:34.600 one hundred percent McCarthy playbook it is. 0:37:34.800 --> 0:37:36.920 But I'll push back a little there living in Ohio 0:37:37.520 --> 0:37:40.280 and we're talking about town that is, you know, literally 0:37:40.520 --> 0:37:44.360 maybe thirty minutes from where I live right now, and 0:37:44.640 --> 0:37:46.000 I I agree with you up to that point. It 0:37:46.160 --> 0:37:48.439 certainly what you're saying is wait, what they're eating dogs? 0:37:48.480 --> 0:37:49.880 And what are we talking about over here? And it 0:37:49.960 --> 0:37:52.040 became a it became a joke, became a meme on 0:37:52.160 --> 0:37:55.719 social media. But that kind of like I'm gonna come here, 0:37:55.760 --> 0:37:57.680 I'm gonna come to Ohio, We're gonna and it never 0:37:57.719 --> 0:38:00.640 happened number materialize because you know, they're on something else. 0:38:00.760 --> 0:38:05.280 Is typical and our short attention span theater. But McCarthy 0:38:05.320 --> 0:38:07.960 would continue to bang the drum over the people over 0:38:08.200 --> 0:38:11.480 particular people he thought he had agendiicans in conjunction, by 0:38:11.480 --> 0:38:14.239 the way, with Jay Edgar Hoover, where the FBI had 0:38:14.560 --> 0:38:16.719 total autonomy to do whatever the hell they want. I mean, 0:38:16.760 --> 0:38:18.960 you want to talk about an era of time in 0:38:19.000 --> 0:38:22.080 the nineteen forties, fifties, sixties, and even in the seventies 0:38:22.520 --> 0:38:26.839 where the FBI and or Hoover had incredible power, every 0:38:27.080 --> 0:38:30.800 unconstitutional power to investigate and bill dossiers and use that. 0:38:31.080 --> 0:38:34.560 Hoover used that as like a personal weapon against people 0:38:34.640 --> 0:38:37.719 he didn't like or for his allies as well. Now, 0:38:37.800 --> 0:38:40.480 I will say, similar to the Haitian argument, we're seeing 0:38:40.520 --> 0:38:42.560 that play out with Somalis in the attack on the 0:38:42.600 --> 0:38:44.040 soldiers in DC. 0:38:44.960 --> 0:38:45.880 But it's too early to tell. 0:38:45.960 --> 0:38:47.759 If you if the FBI's involved, they start making this 0:38:47.840 --> 0:38:49.680 huge case against the month, I think that would be 0:38:49.760 --> 0:38:53.560 a valid point, But I don't think the Springfield one works. 0:38:54.520 --> 0:38:58.279 No, that's true, And you know it's interesting to think about, well, 0:38:58.320 --> 0:39:02.480 what was worse than what's worse now? And I think, yes, 0:39:03.200 --> 0:39:07.560 the FBI. We'll see, the FBI at the moment is 0:39:07.640 --> 0:39:10.800 much more constrained than it was back then, and we 0:39:10.880 --> 0:39:15.280 don't have a Hoover, who has really unchecked power. 0:39:16.239 --> 0:39:16.759 That's great. 0:39:17.960 --> 0:39:19.440 There are a lot of things that come out of 0:39:19.520 --> 0:39:22.160 the Red Scare that I want to say are sort 0:39:22.160 --> 0:39:24.879 of good in the sense that we had a better 0:39:24.960 --> 0:39:29.719 awareness of the risks to civil liberty and you know, 0:39:30.000 --> 0:39:34.440 the need for strong defense of freedom, speech, freedom of association. 0:39:35.080 --> 0:39:39.399 And you know, so back then you didn't have organizations 0:39:39.440 --> 0:39:42.880 that would stand up on behalf of people who were targeted. 0:39:43.520 --> 0:39:45.560 They were basically on their own. And it's one of 0:39:45.600 --> 0:39:49.719 the really harrowing parts of that story. Today, someone gets 0:39:49.800 --> 0:39:55.000 targeted by the media or by Ice or by Justice Department, 0:39:55.360 --> 0:39:58.239 and there are armies of lawyers who will stand up 0:39:58.280 --> 0:40:02.040 for them, and so that good, and we'll see how 0:40:02.080 --> 0:40:05.839 that plays out. But at the very least, you say, well, 0:40:05.960 --> 0:40:09.480 the annibodies from the Red Scare are also activated. And 0:40:09.520 --> 0:40:11.960 I think that's an important metaphor to keep in mind. 0:40:12.000 --> 0:40:15.040 Got Clay Risen is here books called Red Scare, and 0:40:15.080 --> 0:40:17.840 it starts with McCarthyism in the nineteen fifties, of course, 0:40:17.920 --> 0:40:20.600 and post World War two anxiety and the Soviets and 0:40:20.680 --> 0:40:22.680 the fall of China, the communism, the Big Red Scare, 0:40:23.120 --> 0:40:27.080 and how Senator McCarthy of Wisconsin used that to go 0:40:27.280 --> 0:40:30.759 after people he had an agenda against, and it got 0:40:30.800 --> 0:40:34.600 way out of control but ended in short period and 0:40:34.640 --> 0:40:36.840 were as premises we're going to do. We're kind of 0:40:36.880 --> 0:40:38.560 doing that again right now in this era when it 0:40:38.640 --> 0:40:43.440 comes to McCarthyism and blacklists and stuff like that. So okay, 0:40:43.520 --> 0:40:45.960 so this is all driven by the fear of and 0:40:46.080 --> 0:40:47.920 it came on rather quickly because we had lot of 0:40:47.920 --> 0:40:49.520 people coming back to americ who fought in the war 0:40:49.640 --> 0:40:52.920 World War two, and now you're seeing our ally turn 0:40:53.000 --> 0:40:55.560 into our enemy. Kind of similar today to what we're saying. 0:40:55.600 --> 0:40:58.239 Maybe kind of the inverse is true with Russia under 0:40:58.320 --> 0:41:02.759 Donald Trump, But what's the communist threat? So it's communism 0:41:02.840 --> 0:41:04.920 isn't really the threat because okay, we're trying to repair 0:41:05.000 --> 0:41:08.040 things with Russia. The greater enemy, and I agree with 0:41:08.120 --> 0:41:09.840 Trump on this one, is China. They're in for the 0:41:09.920 --> 0:41:12.520 long play and you look at all the from intellectual 0:41:12.640 --> 0:41:15.560 property theft and everything else they're doing. It's a long, 0:41:15.800 --> 0:41:18.879 slow boil for China. They really are the greater threat, 0:41:18.920 --> 0:41:20.960 I think to our way of life than Russia is 0:41:21.160 --> 0:41:23.160 because Russia can come along. You may disagree with that, 0:41:23.280 --> 0:41:26.640 but we're not battling communism anymore. It might be socialism. 0:41:26.760 --> 0:41:30.320 I'm pretty soon about that recent elections, but it's certainly 0:41:30.360 --> 0:41:30.960 not communism. 0:41:31.040 --> 0:41:31.600 What are we fighting? 0:41:32.400 --> 0:41:36.200 Yeah, I think today and again, you know, no Mark 0:41:36.239 --> 0:41:38.920 Twain said, you know, history doesn't repeat itself, but it 0:41:39.000 --> 0:41:42.360 does rhyme, right, Yeah, and so things are similar, but 0:41:42.520 --> 0:41:44.640 there are important differences. You always want to keep that 0:41:44.680 --> 0:41:47.319 in mind. So, you know, today, I think it's less 0:41:47.440 --> 0:41:50.680 about an X in terms of the way people are 0:41:50.800 --> 0:41:54.680 constructing the quote unquote threat. It's less about a foreign 0:41:55.120 --> 0:41:59.279 threat another country. It's more about a you know what 0:41:59.520 --> 0:42:02.919 Trump calls, you know, the radical left, the dei left, 0:42:03.000 --> 0:42:07.919 the woke left, all of this, and it's a fairly expansive, 0:42:08.560 --> 0:42:11.479 vague term, right, So I'm kind of anybody who's sort 0:42:11.480 --> 0:42:15.239 of Trump's enemy, I think would end up falling under this. 0:42:15.400 --> 0:42:17.279 And and it's hard to put a finger on what 0:42:17.440 --> 0:42:20.320 that is. But back in the forties and fifties, what 0:42:20.800 --> 0:42:24.120 was communism? People didn't actually know on a nay to 0:42:24.239 --> 0:42:26.600 day basis what it meant to be a communist, And 0:42:26.719 --> 0:42:29.279 so if you were a civil rights advocate, you would 0:42:29.320 --> 0:42:31.680 be called a communist, right right, So so all of 0:42:31.719 --> 0:42:34.239 these are just terms that are useful to. 0:42:34.360 --> 0:42:35.240 Go after enemies. 0:42:35.280 --> 0:42:38.440 So that's why that's why I think we're seeing in 0:42:38.560 --> 0:42:40.719 terms of the parallels. And you know, you see that 0:42:41.040 --> 0:42:44.520 in education and the way that we talk about education 0:42:44.680 --> 0:42:49.160 today and the threat of DEI and woke schools and whatnot, 0:42:49.239 --> 0:42:52.319 and that's that's that's very similar to the way people 0:42:52.360 --> 0:42:56.480 talked about communist teachers and radical left teachers in the 0:42:56.680 --> 0:42:57.680 teen forties and fifties. 0:42:57.680 --> 0:43:00.320 Okay, but let me wrap clay. But the different is 0:43:00.400 --> 0:43:03.000 we had a foreign adversary then. It was us against them. 0:43:03.040 --> 0:43:05.400 It was good versus evil. It was the United States 0:43:05.480 --> 0:43:08.600 against Russia and atomic warfare and all this stuff. We're 0:43:08.640 --> 0:43:10.799 talking about internal fighting and against you know, the Fall 0:43:10.800 --> 0:43:12.919 of Rome. We can get back to that too. Let's 0:43:12.960 --> 0:43:14.640 face it was a real at the time. You know 0:43:15.040 --> 0:43:18.200 who started this. Actually, we wouldn't have this opposition, and 0:43:18.200 --> 0:43:20.120 I agree with it. It's absurd to times, the Haitian 0:43:20.160 --> 0:43:22.680 immigrant things and some of the other stuff. It's just 0:43:22.760 --> 0:43:25.400 absurd as what it is. But the reaction is to 0:43:25.560 --> 0:43:27.920 what liberals did years ago. I mean, it seems like 0:43:28.000 --> 0:43:31.000 it's a generation ago, but we had cancel culture, right, 0:43:31.200 --> 0:43:34.359 and you know, you transgress these loosely defined and ever 0:43:34.480 --> 0:43:36.480 changing line. No one knows who the line is anymore. 0:43:36.520 --> 0:43:38.359 And what I said when I was fifteen years old 0:43:38.440 --> 0:43:40.879 on Twitter now comes back to haunt me when I'm 0:43:40.960 --> 0:43:44.000 you know, twenty seven years old or something like that. 0:43:44.160 --> 0:43:48.520 Dave Chappelle gets killed and canceled because he makes remarks 0:43:48.560 --> 0:43:52.160 about transsexuals, and that was only four years ago. Kevin Heart, 0:43:52.280 --> 0:43:55.480 same thing, what be Goldberg? And long time ago, back 0:43:55.520 --> 0:43:58.840 in the old days, Senator Al Franken had a picture 0:43:58.880 --> 0:44:02.000 of him looking kind of woman. He got thrown out 0:44:02.000 --> 0:44:04.880 of Senate by liberals. So and then you know, this 0:44:05.000 --> 0:44:06.880 started to take root in schools, and so this is 0:44:06.960 --> 0:44:10.279 the reaction to the I guess what you could call 0:44:10.400 --> 0:44:11.560 is the overreactive left. 0:44:12.360 --> 0:44:15.080 Well, I mean, you're right, And again going back to 0:44:15.520 --> 0:44:17.839 what we talked about with communism, there was a there 0:44:17.920 --> 0:44:22.239 there right in the sense that not just there was 0:44:22.280 --> 0:44:25.400 a Communist threat for not just the Soviet Union as 0:44:25.440 --> 0:44:29.480 a military threat, but domestically, you know, we had there 0:44:29.480 --> 0:44:33.040 were spy the Communist Party took money from Russia and 0:44:33.680 --> 0:44:36.960 did its bidding in the United States, and so you know, 0:44:37.160 --> 0:44:41.040 were those threats not really I mean, Rosenberg's are a 0:44:41.080 --> 0:44:44.040 special case, but generally these five are not very effective. 0:44:44.920 --> 0:44:46.520 You know, it was blown out of a proportion, and 0:44:46.600 --> 0:44:49.759 I think that that you have that today too. Yeah, 0:44:49.800 --> 0:44:53.520 And that's my perspective, right, is that, yes, absolutely, there 0:44:53.640 --> 0:44:59.760 are lots of excesses and criticisms about the I culture, 0:45:00.120 --> 0:45:02.720 cancel culture or whatever you know that I know exactly, 0:45:02.760 --> 0:45:06.080 and I'm sympathetic to that. But what we're seeing now 0:45:06.120 --> 0:45:08.400 I think is a blowing out of proportion and a 0:45:08.600 --> 0:45:12.319 using of that as an excuse to go after people 0:45:12.480 --> 0:45:17.400 who an ideas that have nothing to do with that, 0:45:17.600 --> 0:45:19.560 you know. So, so I think we're seeing a rollback 0:45:19.719 --> 0:45:22.320 of civil rights protections that have been around since the 0:45:22.400 --> 0:45:26.760 fifties and sixties under the pretense that those are suddenly 0:45:26.880 --> 0:45:30.120 now part of woe culture and they're not. 0:45:30.600 --> 0:45:33.200 But I think it's a fair and I think it's 0:45:33.200 --> 0:45:34.000 a fair allegation. 0:45:34.160 --> 0:45:37.080 I think mainly as we have government, and this is true, 0:45:37.480 --> 0:45:40.320 completely have lost touch with the electorate, you know, and 0:45:40.400 --> 0:45:43.200 we look at how Joe Biden, Kamala Harris lost and 0:45:43.320 --> 0:45:47.239 that is the humors that they exhibit. Exhibitors, well, people 0:45:47.360 --> 0:45:50.400 that listen to my show, people live in our area, Ohio, Kentucky, Indiana. 0:45:50.440 --> 0:45:53.239 It's like, well, we're in trouble here economically speaking, or 0:45:53.320 --> 0:45:55.320 maxim on our credit cards. I can't find a house. 0:45:55.360 --> 0:45:58.120 I can't and we're worried about this, this feel good, 0:45:58.160 --> 0:46:00.960 these field good policies that led to the Trump movement 0:46:01.000 --> 0:46:02.640 for the second time, going okay, we're gonna go back 0:46:02.640 --> 0:46:04.479 to the other guy now, like rats on a sinking ship. 0:46:04.680 --> 0:46:07.600 We just keep jumping back and forth. I don't know 0:46:07.600 --> 0:46:09.719 if you're going to see a two term president anytime soon. 0:46:09.800 --> 0:46:13.520 Quite honestly, we'll see tech Trump. You know, technically Trump is, 0:46:13.640 --> 0:46:16.160 but it's like, okay, of lesser evil you're in and 0:46:16.280 --> 0:46:18.200 that's kind of and it feels like me, that's what 0:46:18.400 --> 0:46:20.480 like democrats are doing now, going well, okay, well, way 0:46:20.520 --> 0:46:21.960 for Trump to mess up, and then we'll get the 0:46:22.040 --> 0:46:23.480 NOD and we'll come and screw it up and we'll 0:46:23.520 --> 0:46:25.520 just play back and forth. And meanwhile the rest of 0:46:25.560 --> 0:46:29.799 the country sinking, I mean stock markets and he falling 0:46:29.840 --> 0:46:32.280 apart right now. It's like, we need some damn leadership, 0:46:32.360 --> 0:46:32.759 is what we need. 0:46:32.840 --> 0:46:34.880 Clay, Yeah, no, I agree. 0:46:34.920 --> 0:46:36.840 And it reminds me a little bit of you know, 0:46:36.880 --> 0:46:39.680 I read a book about you back in the day 0:46:39.920 --> 0:46:42.000 and it reminds me a little bit of the late 0:46:42.120 --> 0:46:44.640 nineteenth century, when you know, we went we had a 0:46:44.680 --> 0:46:47.400 bunch of one term presidents now for a variety of reasons, 0:46:47.480 --> 0:46:49.520 but we did, and the full actorate was all over 0:46:49.560 --> 0:46:52.680 the place, and we had some real economic challenges. And 0:46:53.160 --> 0:46:56.640 Theodore Roosevelt comes along and you know, represented new type 0:46:56.680 --> 0:46:59.919 of leadership and you know, had his enemies, of course, 0:47:00.080 --> 0:47:03.320 but was also immensely popular because he understood what the 0:47:03.400 --> 0:47:06.399 country needed. He understood the country needed a different type 0:47:06.440 --> 0:47:10.120 of leadership. And you know, I think really reset what 0:47:10.200 --> 0:47:12.279 it meant to be president, what it meant to have 0:47:12.400 --> 0:47:14.799 a federal government. I mean, I think, you know, I'm 0:47:14.800 --> 0:47:17.160 a partisan and biased, but I think Roosevelt was one 0:47:17.200 --> 0:47:19.920 of our you know, top five best presidents ever. And 0:47:20.920 --> 0:47:26.520 that's why, because understood America needed good leadership. And so 0:47:26.600 --> 0:47:28.640 I think something, you know, I don't want to say 0:47:29.800 --> 0:47:31.759 exactly what this would look like, but we need a 0:47:31.800 --> 0:47:33.960 new Theatore Roosevelt. Now, you know, he needs someone who 0:47:34.000 --> 0:47:36.400 can come along and say, look, I understand what I 0:47:36.760 --> 0:47:39.480 understand what you're saying. I understand what you're saying. There's 0:47:39.520 --> 0:47:41.960 a through line and there's a solution but it's going 0:47:42.040 --> 0:47:43.560 to be different from what we've done in the past. 0:47:43.960 --> 0:47:46.200 And you know, I think we're going to keep looking 0:47:46.239 --> 0:47:48.440 for that person until until they come along. 0:47:48.600 --> 0:47:51.080 And I don't know, I couldn't agree more. 0:47:51.239 --> 0:47:54.000 Teddy Roosevelt my all time favorite president because he was 0:47:54.160 --> 0:47:55.759 he's the guy that stepped and said, look, you know 0:47:55.840 --> 0:47:58.440 what we can today get killed for, you know, protecting 0:47:58.520 --> 0:48:00.600 national parks and some of the what liberals do. 0:48:00.800 --> 0:48:00.960 He did. 0:48:01.000 --> 0:48:02.600 But you know he'd come in and say, look, he 0:48:02.680 --> 0:48:04.760 told he said, listen, you know, we want business succeed 0:48:04.880 --> 0:48:06.800 and thrive, but we're going to crack down on the 0:48:06.880 --> 0:48:09.440 barons basically and make where the rules are going to 0:48:09.480 --> 0:48:11.200 play equal to everybody, which is kind of what we 0:48:11.320 --> 0:48:14.239 need in America. Boom under under tr And not only that, 0:48:14.360 --> 0:48:15.839 he's a tough son of a bitch because he got 0:48:15.880 --> 0:48:17.920 shot and still gave a speech said here, hold my bear, 0:48:17.960 --> 0:48:19.240 I'm gonna talk for a couple hours. 0:48:19.320 --> 0:48:19.960 So that was. 0:48:20.000 --> 0:48:22.600 Fantastic, one of the greatest moments in American history. That's 0:48:22.600 --> 0:48:24.640 a real tough guy right there. Hey, yeah, I don't 0:48:24.680 --> 0:48:26.879 have to tell you about the Battle of you right 0:48:26.960 --> 0:48:29.720 up San Juan Hill and everything else. Clay Rising scread 0:48:29.760 --> 0:48:32.840 Scare blacklist, McCarthy's in the making of modern America. History 0:48:32.920 --> 0:48:35.759 is repeating itself. I kind of agree with that. Clay 0:48:35.800 --> 0:48:38.919 all the best, thanks for joining the show. All I think, Yeah, 0:48:38.920 --> 0:48:40.520 you know, we had the de EI nonsense come in 0:48:40.560 --> 0:48:43.040 and went way overboard. Inclusion is fine, but the extremes 0:48:43.080 --> 0:48:46.320 that they went and then the way they absolutely persecuted 0:48:46.360 --> 0:48:51.080 people who went against the tide of problematic. But now 0:48:51.120 --> 0:48:54.000 we're kind of seeing that somewhat with Republicans and conservatives 0:48:54.040 --> 0:48:55.920 that you know, used to be the liberal snowflakes and 0:48:56.000 --> 0:48:58.920 the snowflag. I know there's a lot of snowflaky stuff 0:48:58.960 --> 0:49:01.560 that conservatives are doing now. So I think it's the 0:49:01.960 --> 0:49:04.480 you know, the people in charge me a change, but 0:49:04.960 --> 0:49:07.120 that same ideology is there, and I don't know, I 0:49:07.160 --> 0:49:08.200 think that's necessarily a good thing. 0:49:08.280 --> 0:49:08.400 Right. 0:49:08.600 --> 0:49:09.960 We got a news update run a little bit late. 0:49:10.000 --> 0:49:12.680 I's always hear Scotslane back in about seven here right 0:49:12.760 --> 0:49:16.680 after a traffic and weather update seven hundred WLW Scott 0:49:16.800 --> 0:49:20.200 Flung Show on seven hundred w LW Thursday morning, we 0:49:20.280 --> 0:49:23.280 have Sanjay Shiva Carimani in. He's an emergency medicine position 0:49:23.360 --> 0:49:26.040 here in Cincinnati, at Dine Well Dock and we do 0:49:26.120 --> 0:49:28.000 the same went on Thursdays. Now we're healthing, food and 0:49:28.080 --> 0:49:30.400 fitness kind of all come together and collide in this 0:49:30.560 --> 0:49:32.600 time of year. Your challenge because you're getting really really 0:49:32.640 --> 0:49:35.600 good food necessarily good for you. Uh, probably not maybe 0:49:35.600 --> 0:49:37.600 getting as much exercise, but if you do, it's gonna 0:49:37.640 --> 0:49:42.000 involve shoveling the white stuff on top of icy sidewalks 0:49:42.080 --> 0:49:46.000 and streets. So what could possibly go wrong with that equation? Sanja? 0:49:46.080 --> 0:49:46.680 How you been brother? 0:49:48.160 --> 0:49:48.359 Good? 0:49:48.480 --> 0:49:48.880 How are you? 0:49:49.400 --> 0:49:52.720 I'm doing fine. I shovel snow. I haven't fallen broken 0:49:52.719 --> 0:49:55.000 a hip or anything along those lines. But there's always 0:49:55.080 --> 0:49:56.759 next snowfall. There's always next time. 0:49:57.719 --> 0:50:00.520 Yeah, we can only hope, right, I'm just kidding. I mean, 0:50:00.680 --> 0:50:02.880 it is a it is an interesting time in the 0:50:02.960 --> 0:50:05.279 emergency department when it comes to the winter weather. 0:50:06.000 --> 0:50:07.840 Do you see a lot of hypothermia cases? 0:50:09.160 --> 0:50:11.680 You know, we don't see that many, fortunately. I think 0:50:11.719 --> 0:50:13.879 a lot of people know what to do. I think, 0:50:14.800 --> 0:50:17.000 you know, we do see some every year, though, and 0:50:17.080 --> 0:50:19.879 that's it's a it's a problem when it happened. 0:50:20.880 --> 0:50:21.200 You see. 0:50:21.360 --> 0:50:23.040 Yeah, I mean we're not to that bitter part. That'll 0:50:23.080 --> 0:50:26.440 be January Februey, Right, it would take a lot to 0:50:26.560 --> 0:50:28.640 do that right now. Not necessarily, it's not true, but 0:50:29.960 --> 0:50:31.840 you tend to see it. Do you not see it 0:50:31.840 --> 0:50:35.440 more in older people younger people, doesn't matter a little. 0:50:35.239 --> 0:50:35.640 Bit of both. 0:50:35.680 --> 0:50:38.040 It's it's definitely an older they're more at risk. Could 0:50:38.080 --> 0:50:40.600 just have a harder time kind of keeping the body 0:50:40.680 --> 0:50:43.080 temperature up, and you know, their skin is thinner and 0:50:43.239 --> 0:50:46.000 so they're exposed to the elements more. But you know, 0:50:46.120 --> 0:50:49.359 it's not just necessarily January or February. I mean even 0:50:49.400 --> 0:50:51.880 at this time, because of the sudden drops in temperature, 0:50:52.200 --> 0:50:54.960 people get you know, caught by surprise, and then they 0:50:55.000 --> 0:50:57.080 can even fall this in the hypothermia. Now, so it's 0:50:57.080 --> 0:50:59.759 always good to be vigilant and dress some layers. There's 0:50:59.760 --> 0:51:01.759 our always told us to do and we never did. 0:51:02.200 --> 0:51:02.359 Yeah. 0:51:02.440 --> 0:51:04.279 Well it was like me, I realized, you know, because 0:51:04.320 --> 0:51:07.200 we had just moved and I have I think I 0:51:07.239 --> 0:51:08.439 had my winter coat still in the box. 0:51:08.480 --> 0:51:09.720 I'm like, I don't know where any of the stuff 0:51:11.719 --> 0:51:13.360 I got a very who I have been a patient. 0:51:13.080 --> 0:51:14.880 At them, but I know, like the first one of 0:51:14.880 --> 0:51:16.600 the first indications would be disorientation. 0:51:16.760 --> 0:51:21.560 Right, It's well, I mean disorientation will actually come fairly late. 0:51:21.640 --> 0:51:24.080 And the reason is our body tries to protect our brain, 0:51:24.520 --> 0:51:26.960 and so you know, it'll do everything it can to 0:51:27.080 --> 0:51:29.080 keep your brain intact. And then you know, by the 0:51:29.120 --> 0:51:31.799 time you get to disorientation, you're you're pretty far down 0:51:31.920 --> 0:51:34.520 the way, and so before you get there, you really 0:51:34.600 --> 0:51:37.040 want to, you know, focus on what else could be 0:51:37.120 --> 0:51:40.160 going on, Like, am I one? You know it sounds simple, 0:51:40.200 --> 0:51:43.000 but am I feeling cold? And if you're feeling cold, 0:51:43.280 --> 0:51:45.440 find ways to warm up, whether it be going inside 0:51:45.480 --> 0:51:48.640 if you can, or get another layer, but certainly removing 0:51:48.680 --> 0:51:51.440 yourself from the elements that that first sign of, you know, 0:51:51.560 --> 0:51:53.919 even just feeling a little colder than normal, or maybe 0:51:53.960 --> 0:51:56.399 your fingertips are or facet are getting numb, and that's 0:51:56.440 --> 0:51:58.600 the it's kind of one of the first warning signs 0:51:58.600 --> 0:51:59.759 before your brain starts to go. 0:52:00.040 --> 0:52:02.200 Say that's just me, though, I wait until I'm disoriented 0:52:02.320 --> 0:52:03.520 til I go well, I probably should go in. 0:52:06.160 --> 0:52:08.680 And that's what keeps me in business, thank you very much. 0:52:11.520 --> 0:52:13.720 Like, yeah, you know, I'm used to the call. It's fine. 0:52:14.320 --> 0:52:17.759 Does your body over time do you acclimate to the 0:52:18.000 --> 0:52:19.800 climate in which you reside. Let's say I don't know, 0:52:19.800 --> 0:52:23.120 if you live in northern Canada, let's say, and then 0:52:23.160 --> 0:52:25.320 all of a sudden you move to Florida, are you 0:52:25.360 --> 0:52:25.719 gonna know that? 0:52:25.840 --> 0:52:27.840 And vice versa? Does it take it? Does your body acclimate? 0:52:28.800 --> 0:52:32.040 Your body does acclimate somewhat. I mean, but you also 0:52:32.360 --> 0:52:34.279 you're in your mind acclimates a little too, and you 0:52:34.440 --> 0:52:37.000 just know what to expect. I think, you know, living 0:52:37.160 --> 0:52:39.200 in a place where we were just what seventy degrees 0:52:39.280 --> 0:52:42.200 just a few weeks ago, right, we get thrown off 0:52:42.239 --> 0:52:44.600 a little bit, and it's harder to be prepared. 0:52:44.280 --> 0:52:45.040 Kind of year round. 0:52:45.200 --> 0:52:48.640 And you know, when you're always in the cold, you 0:52:48.800 --> 0:52:50.920 know what to expect, You're you're ready for it. And 0:52:51.080 --> 0:52:54.600 so we are at risk here in Cincinnati of being 0:52:54.680 --> 0:52:56.680 caught eye surprise and you know, ending up in the 0:52:56.719 --> 0:52:57.480 emergency department. 0:52:57.640 --> 0:53:00.799 Yeah, is it more dangerous? Is he a dangerous and cold? 0:53:03.320 --> 0:53:03.560 Yeah? 0:53:03.920 --> 0:53:07.840 They both have their risk. I think heat is harder, 0:53:08.040 --> 0:53:10.160 you know, it's oftentimes harder to get away from the heat. 0:53:10.239 --> 0:53:14.120 It's easier to layer up oftentimes. We definitely, I definitely 0:53:14.160 --> 0:53:17.200 in my career have seen much more heat exhaustion, heat 0:53:17.320 --> 0:53:21.400 stroke than I have. Cold weather injuries and cold you know, 0:53:21.560 --> 0:53:22.840 the cold exposure problem. 0:53:23.080 --> 0:53:25.399 Right, But I would say because you're you know, grew 0:53:25.440 --> 0:53:27.840 up in Boston, if that would probably reverse if you're in. 0:53:27.840 --> 0:53:30.640 Massachusetts oftentimes, I mean, but. 0:53:33.719 --> 0:53:35.600 Well, we lost you, is there me from Boston? 0:53:35.800 --> 0:53:37.319 You know, we're not used to it. And when you're 0:53:37.360 --> 0:53:39.920 not used to something, that's when you're caughty surprised. It's 0:53:39.960 --> 0:53:40.800 best to be prepared. 0:53:40.960 --> 0:53:44.160 Now, it makes sense. How cold is too cold to 0:53:44.239 --> 0:53:46.759 exercise out. I'm gonna exclude shoveling and that kind. We'll 0:53:46.760 --> 0:53:48.239 get to that in a second. But like, you know, 0:53:48.320 --> 0:53:50.120 you'll see people out there while I'm still training for 0:53:50.200 --> 0:53:52.040 the Flying Pig coming up in the spring, and I'm 0:53:52.040 --> 0:53:54.319 gonna run when it's you know, twenty degrees blows air. 0:53:54.440 --> 0:53:55.000 Is that that smart? 0:53:56.280 --> 0:53:56.480 Yeah? 0:53:56.960 --> 0:53:59.840 It's a tough one because it does vary by age conditioning. 0:54:00.000 --> 0:54:02.279 You know, if you're if you are, you know, a 0:54:02.360 --> 0:54:05.600 pretty healthy person who runs a lot. Is this weather optimal? 0:54:05.800 --> 0:54:05.840 No? 0:54:06.120 --> 0:54:08.040 Is it a good idea? Probably? Still not? 0:54:09.040 --> 0:54:11.480 But really you know, they've they've actually done some studies 0:54:11.600 --> 0:54:15.120 on blood pressure alone, and so like your blood pressure 0:54:15.239 --> 0:54:18.000 will raise when you're outside in cold weather, even just 0:54:18.080 --> 0:54:21.719 that fifty five degrees, So fifty five degrees outside your 0:54:21.719 --> 0:54:24.200 blood pressure will start to rise after about fifteen minutes 0:54:24.200 --> 0:54:26.040 of being in that kind of weather. So now that 0:54:26.120 --> 0:54:28.960 we're in the thirties, you can imagine your blood pressure 0:54:28.960 --> 0:54:32.359 will go much higher, much quicker, and so there are 0:54:32.360 --> 0:54:34.200 a lot of factors there. But at the end of 0:54:34.239 --> 0:54:36.120 the day, it's about being smart. 0:54:36.600 --> 0:54:36.759 You know. 0:54:37.200 --> 0:54:39.840 Do I exercise outside in this no other than shoveling. 0:54:40.400 --> 0:54:43.000 I'd rather be inside of my gym and be in 0:54:43.040 --> 0:54:44.520 the comfort of that and staying warm. 0:54:45.280 --> 0:54:47.320 I yeah, when I was in my twenties, was running 0:54:47.320 --> 0:54:50.320 outside in pretty cold weather and wound up developing bronx 0:54:50.360 --> 0:54:51.839 of your bonchitis and the like. I don't know if 0:54:51.920 --> 0:54:54.360 directly from the running, but it screwed my lungs up 0:54:54.360 --> 0:54:57.480 for a while. So I'm pretty aware of being out 0:54:57.719 --> 0:54:59.719 in you know, getting my blood pressure and heart rate 0:54:59.840 --> 0:55:01.440 rate when it's was very cold out. 0:55:02.520 --> 0:55:05.399 Yeah, And so you know, it's partly that getting cold 0:55:05.440 --> 0:55:07.480 air into your lungs will make them go into spasm 0:55:07.560 --> 0:55:10.520 a little bit. So if you have asthma, COPD and phasma, 0:55:10.560 --> 0:55:13.360 you really want to be careful out there. But in general, 0:55:13.600 --> 0:55:15.440 just being exposed to the cold, you know, like our 0:55:15.520 --> 0:55:18.319 mom would always say, you know you'll get you'll catch 0:55:18.320 --> 0:55:19.759 a cold, and I'd be like, Mom, I went to 0:55:19.840 --> 0:55:22.479 med school, Like that's not true. It's kind of true. 0:55:23.040 --> 0:55:23.799 So Mom was right. 0:55:25.520 --> 0:55:28.440 The thing being is that the cold will impact your 0:55:28.440 --> 0:55:32.839 immune system and that makes you more susceptible to getting cold. 0:55:32.920 --> 0:55:35.160 So you know, if you won't get a virus from 0:55:35.239 --> 0:55:38.719 the outsides, but your immune system will be damaged by 0:55:38.800 --> 0:55:39.879 the exposure to cold. 0:55:39.920 --> 0:55:41.360 So you also want to be careful with that. 0:55:41.719 --> 0:55:43.960 So if you're cold and your body's fighting it, and 0:55:44.040 --> 0:55:48.080 then you go and you're exposed to infection, then you're 0:55:48.120 --> 0:55:49.560 more likely to get is what you're. 0:55:49.400 --> 0:55:51.080 Saying exactly exactly right? 0:55:51.080 --> 0:55:53.560 Because immune system is because my mom would when she 0:55:53.680 --> 0:55:55.600 was alive, she there'd be like times I went out 0:55:55.640 --> 0:55:57.919 with a hat the previous winner and the following winner. 0:55:57.960 --> 0:55:59.440 I get sick and she says, because you went out 0:55:59.520 --> 0:56:03.680 last year a hat on. Yeah, okay, it's a twelve 0:56:03.719 --> 0:56:06.000 month carryover the sickness. She just holds that. She would 0:56:06.040 --> 0:56:09.600 hold that card and play it against you. Is it 0:56:09.680 --> 0:56:11.360 true we see a lot more heart attacks in the 0:56:11.400 --> 0:56:14.080 winter because people out there shoveling. Is or is that 0:56:14.200 --> 0:56:14.960 more of a lifetial? 0:56:15.920 --> 0:56:19.480 It's actually true and the reason is a couple folds. 0:56:19.560 --> 0:56:23.120 So what being outside in the cold does in the 0:56:23.160 --> 0:56:26.719 first place is actually makes your blood vessels shrink down. 0:56:26.760 --> 0:56:29.080 It makes them tight, which increases your blood pressure. So 0:56:29.200 --> 0:56:33.080 already you're setting yourself up for something, and then snow 0:56:33.120 --> 0:56:35.800 shoveling is actually one of the hardest activities we can do. 0:56:35.960 --> 0:56:38.320 Sometimes it doesn't feel like much, but you put a 0:56:38.360 --> 0:56:40.680 lot of strain on your heart. Within two minutes you're 0:56:40.719 --> 0:56:43.560 at you know, like eighty five percent of your maximal 0:56:43.680 --> 0:56:47.759 heart rate, and so it's heavy exercise. You're out in 0:56:47.840 --> 0:56:50.359 the cold, and then the cold interestingly, and we all 0:56:50.400 --> 0:56:53.360 get into the details, but it makes your blood thicker, 0:56:53.440 --> 0:56:55.600 for lack of a better term, and so you're more 0:56:55.800 --> 0:56:59.240 likely to have heart attacks when it's cold outside, especially 0:56:59.280 --> 0:57:01.439 in the cold snow like four days or so, which 0:57:01.520 --> 0:57:04.719 is one of a British studies showed that the heart 0:57:04.719 --> 0:57:07.160 attacks and strokes go up after a four day cold snap. 0:57:07.200 --> 0:57:08.440 And that's that's the reason why. 0:57:09.120 --> 0:57:11.400 It's because that extra strength doesn't seem like much of 0:57:11.440 --> 0:57:14.400 my wad that nice light, fluffy snow this week went 0:57:14.440 --> 0:57:17.360 out and shoveled the driveway and you know, it didn't 0:57:17.360 --> 0:57:19.320 feel like now they're really heavy stuff. It's a different 0:57:19.360 --> 0:57:21.240 story maybe or maybe you get a snowblower. I guess 0:57:21.280 --> 0:57:22.920 if you're not used to exercise, you know, that's the 0:57:22.960 --> 0:57:24.760 thing you got all of a sudden, you throw yourself into, 0:57:25.280 --> 0:57:27.439 you know, the mechanics of lifting, and your body's fighting 0:57:27.520 --> 0:57:27.920 the cold. 0:57:28.040 --> 0:57:31.280 You definitely could set yourself up for troubler exactly. 0:57:31.400 --> 0:57:33.920 Like it's a kind of silent exercise, and I mean 0:57:34.080 --> 0:57:37.720 I love it for that reason, being barely in shape myself. 0:57:38.680 --> 0:57:41.440 Is that the snow can actually add up pretty quickly. 0:57:41.920 --> 0:57:44.240 Seven to eight you know inches, is like twenty five 0:57:44.280 --> 0:57:47.520 pounds each time you shovel. And so you're doing that work, 0:57:47.600 --> 0:57:50.440 You're twisting around, you're using your core, you're using your legs, 0:57:50.680 --> 0:57:53.000 and it ends up being a pretty big strain on 0:57:53.080 --> 0:57:55.560 the body. I think you burn more than five hundred 0:57:55.600 --> 0:57:58.760 calories an hour of shoveling, and so it's a pretty 0:57:58.760 --> 0:58:02.800 significant exercise, we're all. But it does lead to that strain. 0:58:02.880 --> 0:58:05.439 So it's got it's good and positives, but it's also 0:58:05.520 --> 0:58:06.960 got its cons for that reason too. 0:58:07.200 --> 0:58:10.120 Yeah, Okay, interesting son Jay Ashaver comandi on the show. 0:58:10.160 --> 0:58:12.960 He's our resident physician and health expert, health and fitness. 0:58:13.040 --> 0:58:14.960 We talked that and died and everything on Thursday mornings 0:58:15.000 --> 0:58:17.760 in the Scott Slone Show. Here on seven hundred WLW, 0:58:17.920 --> 0:58:20.600 we're talking about the cold weather because welcome to Cincinnati. 0:58:20.840 --> 0:58:23.200 It's seventy one day. The next day it's snow. When 0:58:23.200 --> 0:58:25.240 we got five and a half inches of snow. That's 0:58:25.320 --> 0:58:27.000 how we roll here. Next thing, No, you'll blink your 0:58:27.000 --> 0:58:29.080 eyes will be opening day and summer again, the two 0:58:29.160 --> 0:58:30.120 seasons of six. 0:58:30.760 --> 0:58:32.960 We're always on our toes, all right. 0:58:33.000 --> 0:58:36.040 So y'are shoveling? When should you stop? If you're feeling 0:58:36.080 --> 0:58:37.840 a little faint, you don't want to kind of plow 0:58:37.960 --> 0:58:38.240 through that? 0:58:38.480 --> 0:58:41.280 What typically? What is your when's your body telling you stop? 0:58:42.360 --> 0:58:42.560 Yeah? 0:58:42.600 --> 0:58:45.160 The best best treatment is actually a first prevention. So 0:58:45.600 --> 0:58:48.439 you know, when you're shoveling again, it is a pretty 0:58:48.480 --> 0:58:50.920 big strain on your body, so stop before the symptoms 0:58:50.960 --> 0:58:53.440 even start. Ten every ten to fifteen minutes, take a 0:58:53.440 --> 0:58:55.400 little rest. And that's how That's how I like to 0:58:55.440 --> 0:58:57.960 do most things in Lifeblone. You know, I'm on a 0:58:58.040 --> 0:58:59.600 hike and I'll just stare at a tree for a 0:58:59.680 --> 0:59:02.520 while and people are like, are you resting? I'm like, no, 0:59:02.640 --> 0:59:09.120 I'm enjoying nature, Yes, exactly, you want to really enjoy 0:59:09.200 --> 0:59:12.160 the experience. But yeah, every ten to fifteen minutes, take 0:59:12.200 --> 0:59:14.960 a break, take a breather, go inside, you know, warm 0:59:15.040 --> 0:59:16.360 up if you need to, or just sit there and 0:59:16.400 --> 0:59:20.280 admire the work you're doing. But start with prevention first, 0:59:20.400 --> 0:59:23.120 and then you know, look out for signs if you know, 0:59:23.320 --> 0:59:25.920 even if you're having a little you know, people think 0:59:26.040 --> 0:59:29.080 heart attacks feel like chest pain and if they're not 0:59:29.280 --> 0:59:32.560 like dying in agony, that they're okay. And and the 0:59:32.640 --> 0:59:35.320 truth is one, heart attacks present in a lot of ways, 0:59:35.360 --> 0:59:39.320 but the most common reason heart attacks present, especially in males, 0:59:39.600 --> 0:59:42.600 is pressure in the chest, not pain. And so they'll 0:59:42.600 --> 0:59:44.120 be like, oh, yeah, it's not much. It's just a 0:59:44.160 --> 0:59:46.280 little bit of tightness in my chest. That's not my heart. 0:59:46.600 --> 0:59:49.560 And the truth is that more likely is is your heart. 0:59:49.720 --> 0:59:54.200 So if you start having any chest pressure, trouble breathing, nausea, sweat, 0:59:54.640 --> 0:59:57.200 anything like that, it's time to definitely go inside and 0:59:57.280 --> 0:59:58.000 not get checked out. 0:59:58.240 --> 0:59:58.919 I'll tell it's scarce. 0:59:58.920 --> 1:00:00.560 You know, if you're like your work out, you're truly 1:00:00.600 --> 1:00:02.360 trying to or getting back into it at high recent 1:00:02.520 --> 1:00:04.440 was you push it? You know, and get your heart 1:00:04.520 --> 1:00:06.640 right up pretty high, you start to have a little 1:00:06.680 --> 1:00:08.520 bit of arrhythmia going on there. 1:00:08.560 --> 1:00:09.600 That's always pretty scary. 1:00:10.600 --> 1:00:13.640 Yeah, you know, even just a few extra beats that 1:00:13.840 --> 1:00:16.600 maybe your heart's signaling to you that it's time to 1:00:16.640 --> 1:00:20.000 slow down. That could be getting you know, too much exercise, 1:00:20.120 --> 1:00:23.120 or also pumping against blood pressure that's too high. So 1:00:23.240 --> 1:00:25.040 there's a lot of things that could be causing that. 1:00:25.160 --> 1:00:28.000 But once you feel any way different, it's a good 1:00:28.040 --> 1:00:29.920 time to be in tuned with your body. If you 1:00:30.000 --> 1:00:33.040 feel different, it's time to just shut it down, you know, 1:00:33.160 --> 1:00:34.760 take stock and decide. 1:00:34.480 --> 1:00:35.280 Where to go from there. 1:00:35.400 --> 1:00:37.400 All right, we have not yet talked about what happens 1:00:37.440 --> 1:00:40.040 when foot meets ice and you usually see a lot 1:00:40.120 --> 1:00:42.680 of wrist, knee, hip injuries. Is that what we're talking about. 1:00:43.840 --> 1:00:47.200 You nailed most of them. It's rist and hip, it's 1:00:47.280 --> 1:00:51.120 not head. The thing is that, you know, I worked 1:00:51.160 --> 1:00:54.000 on the morning of the storm, and people don't come 1:00:54.080 --> 1:00:56.480 in then because they know it's snowing. They're going to 1:00:56.520 --> 1:00:58.400 stay inside and if they go outside, they're going to 1:00:58.400 --> 1:01:02.560 be careful. The problem is actually the day after. That's 1:01:02.600 --> 1:01:04.640 what I've experienced in my career, and that's what we're 1:01:04.680 --> 1:01:08.439 experiencing right now. Mornings after you know, there's black ice 1:01:08.520 --> 1:01:10.760 that's formed because it's kind of melted through the day 1:01:10.800 --> 1:01:13.960 and then that freezes overnight, and that's when people are slipping, falling, 1:01:14.280 --> 1:01:18.680 going boom and coming to me with hips are the 1:01:18.880 --> 1:01:21.360 are the biggest victim, and then you know your ankles 1:01:21.400 --> 1:01:22.160 and heads as well. 1:01:22.360 --> 1:01:26.000 Yeah, that's that's that's pretty scary. You fall down, it's 1:01:26.000 --> 1:01:28.040 always okay, Yeah, I think I'm okay the next day 1:01:28.160 --> 1:01:30.200 to three to five days, depending on how of you are. 1:01:30.720 --> 1:01:32.600 It's always like, oh my god, I feel terrible. 1:01:32.600 --> 1:01:35.560 I to buy a bus. When should I get medical 1:01:35.600 --> 1:01:37.760 help if I after an injury? I mean when when 1:01:37.800 --> 1:01:38.120 do I know? 1:01:38.240 --> 1:01:38.400 When? 1:01:38.560 --> 1:01:39.520 When do I come see you? 1:01:40.600 --> 1:01:45.040 You know, it definitely differs on your your chromobility, So 1:01:45.120 --> 1:01:47.080 what other medical conditions you have. You know, if you're 1:01:47.120 --> 1:01:48.840 hitting your head and you're un blooded, or you're coming 1:01:48.880 --> 1:01:52.040 straight to me, you know, anything that prevents you from 1:01:52.160 --> 1:01:55.200 putting weight on a leg is definitely a reason to 1:01:55.280 --> 1:01:59.040 come in. But if things are lasting longer than you 1:01:59.080 --> 1:02:01.600 would expect them to, or if you have any concerns, 1:02:01.640 --> 1:02:03.680 it's either time to call your doctor or just come 1:02:03.720 --> 1:02:05.600 in and get checked. We you know, we can get 1:02:05.600 --> 1:02:07.600 you in and out pretty quick, especially if you're concerned 1:02:07.640 --> 1:02:08.760 about a broken bone. 1:02:09.040 --> 1:02:09.200 Yeah. 1:02:09.240 --> 1:02:11.360 I generally you kind of know because you can't move 1:02:11.400 --> 1:02:13.840 it that my swelling is different. But you know, broken 1:02:13.920 --> 1:02:15.200 bone a little bit, a little bit different. 1:02:15.240 --> 1:02:15.360 Now. 1:02:15.400 --> 1:02:17.440 Of course, if you know, if you have a compound fracture, 1:02:17.520 --> 1:02:20.320 it's sticking through your skin, AT's a that's a different story. 1:02:20.440 --> 1:02:22.320 Entiro that you'd be pretty stupid to sit there and go, 1:02:22.520 --> 1:02:24.120 I think it'll be all right, this will be okay. 1:02:24.160 --> 1:02:26.200 I just yeah, second man, I'll be good. 1:02:26.880 --> 1:02:28.120 It's pretty little index on it. 1:02:28.200 --> 1:02:28.720 You'll be fun. 1:02:28.880 --> 1:02:31.040 Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's all. 1:02:31.120 --> 1:02:31.280 Well. 1:02:31.320 --> 1:02:32.880 Yeah, we're just not used to the ice and the 1:02:32.920 --> 1:02:33.800 snow and stuff like that. 1:02:33.960 --> 1:02:36.320 And as you get older too, it's awfully, it's more 1:02:36.400 --> 1:02:38.560 more difficult to keep your balance and you're more probably 1:02:38.600 --> 1:02:40.160 more likely to get injured. 1:02:40.200 --> 1:02:40.880 You just don't recover. 1:02:40.960 --> 1:02:42.960 There's nothing like you know, you watch a a four 1:02:43.040 --> 1:02:44.640 year old on the ice, they fall down, they cry 1:02:44.720 --> 1:02:45.440 for thirty seconds. 1:02:45.440 --> 1:02:46.320 There, fine, you do that. 1:02:46.520 --> 1:02:50.040 You're on the sideline for two weeks exactly. 1:02:50.120 --> 1:02:52.880 And actually you underline one of my main things is 1:02:53.120 --> 1:02:55.360 why I you know, try to stay fit which is 1:02:55.760 --> 1:02:58.760 keeping balance and so that that equates to strength training 1:02:58.800 --> 1:03:01.240 and the legs that also equates to like balance training 1:03:01.320 --> 1:03:04.000 with yoga. But all of those things prevent you from 1:03:04.080 --> 1:03:06.480 falling or if you fall, helping you get back up 1:03:06.560 --> 1:03:08.960 because as we know in the elderly, falls are one 1:03:09.000 --> 1:03:12.720 of the main reasons for eventual death unfortunately. And so 1:03:13.800 --> 1:03:16.479 you know, staying upright as much as you can, doing 1:03:16.560 --> 1:03:18.520 the things that build your legs up and your balance 1:03:18.640 --> 1:03:20.840 up could be some of the most important things to 1:03:21.400 --> 1:03:23.320 you know, extend your life spam you know. 1:03:23.840 --> 1:03:26.440 In additionally, our physician here on the show also you 1:03:26.640 --> 1:03:29.040 are a health guy and a gym on a gym, 1:03:29.200 --> 1:03:31.920 and I think it's interesting. I in some of my 1:03:31.920 --> 1:03:33.840 ill last few years, I've seen more more people do this, 1:03:34.000 --> 1:03:37.000 and it'd be the test to see just how flexible 1:03:37.080 --> 1:03:39.040 you are at any age. And that is getting up 1:03:39.040 --> 1:03:40.480 off the floor without using your hands. 1:03:40.520 --> 1:03:41.080 Can explain that. 1:03:42.360 --> 1:03:44.920 Yeah, so you know that equates to those things we 1:03:45.000 --> 1:03:47.280 were just talking about, which is the legs or the 1:03:47.320 --> 1:03:50.240 lower extremities, what their strength is like, but also your balance. 1:03:50.280 --> 1:03:51.360 So you need both of. 1:03:51.400 --> 1:03:54.200 Those and a strong core to be able to get 1:03:54.200 --> 1:03:56.800 off the ground. So you know, I was actually watching 1:03:56.960 --> 1:03:59.800 Did you watch that Blue Zones special on Netflix? 1:04:00.240 --> 1:04:00.840 I did not know? 1:04:01.240 --> 1:04:02.040 Was that? Okay? 1:04:02.120 --> 1:04:04.760 So it was basically this special as a series or 1:04:04.760 --> 1:04:08.480 a documentary about these blue zones where people throughout the 1:04:08.560 --> 1:04:12.000 world live longer in certain areas. And one of the 1:04:12.080 --> 1:04:13.800 things that they were looking at was that, well, the 1:04:13.840 --> 1:04:15.280 main thing they were looking at is what are the 1:04:15.360 --> 1:04:17.919 factors that lead to a longer life in these blue 1:04:18.040 --> 1:04:21.080 zones where people are living longer than average. And one 1:04:21.080 --> 1:04:23.919 of the things was actually people getting up from the floor. 1:04:24.040 --> 1:04:26.240 So in Japan, that's what they do. They sit down 1:04:26.280 --> 1:04:28.920 for dinner and they get up the same thing. And 1:04:29.280 --> 1:04:32.840 there's a town in Italy where people just walk up 1:04:32.880 --> 1:04:34.840 and down hills all day. And you know, they don't 1:04:34.840 --> 1:04:37.160 do any formal strength training. They're not across fit or anything, 1:04:37.920 --> 1:04:40.000 but they are they're strong in their legs and that 1:04:40.160 --> 1:04:42.919 keeps them upright. And so it's one of the most 1:04:42.960 --> 1:04:46.080 important things is keeping your leg strength and your stability 1:04:46.760 --> 1:04:49.160 so you're not falling. It's correlated with the longer and 1:04:49.240 --> 1:04:50.320 higher quality of the life. 1:04:50.400 --> 1:04:50.720 Gotcha. 1:04:51.000 --> 1:04:52.560 I know one of the you know, one of the 1:04:52.600 --> 1:04:56.040 classic exercises that's like anything's it's a fad it comes 1:04:56.120 --> 1:04:58.480 back is the Turkish get up. And what you do 1:04:58.680 --> 1:05:00.480 is you lay on your bed. You start laying on 1:05:00.520 --> 1:05:01.920 your bag. You hold a kettle ball over your head 1:05:01.960 --> 1:05:04.240 with one arm and you lock your arm throughout the 1:05:04.280 --> 1:05:05.760 whole thing. And then you bend your knee on the 1:05:05.800 --> 1:05:08.800 same side as a kettlebell, and then you roll up 1:05:08.840 --> 1:05:11.400 on your opposite elbow. You push up to your hand, 1:05:11.440 --> 1:05:13.280 you bridge your heads up, you sweep your legs out, 1:05:13.320 --> 1:05:16.320 you stand up, or you just push the ken ball 1:05:16.320 --> 1:05:18.640 of your head and the kettlebell falls back down and 1:05:18.680 --> 1:05:20.560 cractioning this call and you go to sleep. There are 1:05:20.600 --> 1:05:23.280 two outcomes with that, and generally the second one is 1:05:23.640 --> 1:05:24.360 the one I do. 1:05:25.840 --> 1:05:28.200 Yeah, it is one of the hardest things I had 1:05:28.240 --> 1:05:31.680 to learn, Like, yeah, you just named twenty of the 1:05:31.760 --> 1:05:35.400 seventy three steps to do a Turkish get up, but yeah, 1:05:35.440 --> 1:05:37.520 they are worth it. They work everything in your body 1:05:37.640 --> 1:05:40.640 and again, yeah, it gets that coordination and strength down well. 1:05:40.760 --> 1:05:42.760 But you can do it without the kettlebell too. You know, 1:05:42.840 --> 1:05:45.440 you need somebody does it with a fifty pound kettle ball. 1:05:45.520 --> 1:05:47.919 I mean, you should probably have your own TV show 1:05:47.920 --> 1:05:49.960 if you can do that. But I'm sure you've seen 1:05:50.000 --> 1:05:52.480 some people in your gym that can. I'm fascinated about 1:05:52.480 --> 1:05:54.720 the whole process. It's awfully difficult to do. The older 1:05:54.760 --> 1:05:57.200 you get, the harder it is, oh for sure. 1:05:57.280 --> 1:05:59.120 But you know again, like you just pointed out, you 1:05:59.200 --> 1:06:01.760 don't need the way. Our body weight is plenty for 1:06:01.840 --> 1:06:04.320 a lot of exercises, especially if you're doing it slowly 1:06:04.400 --> 1:06:07.560 and deliberately. Your body weight can you know, serve as 1:06:07.640 --> 1:06:10.560 a great weight for you, especially me. After the holidays, 1:06:10.560 --> 1:06:14.800 there's extra bodyweight there to work out, So thanks, thanks 1:06:14.840 --> 1:06:15.520 for all the dinners. 1:06:16.320 --> 1:06:18.600 He's got to burn off that extra three or four 1:06:18.800 --> 1:06:25.440 pecan pies, not slices, entire pies. Sevcamanti are a physician, fitness, 1:06:25.840 --> 1:06:27.800 diet exercise guy here in the scott Slone. She pops 1:06:27.840 --> 1:06:29.600 on Thursday morning, just a left way. I know this 1:06:29.720 --> 1:06:32.280 is just the startup of the winter season, but keep 1:06:32.320 --> 1:06:34.840 all that influence the back of your head and hopefully 1:06:34.880 --> 1:06:36.400 you'll be around to hear the show next year. 1:06:36.520 --> 1:06:38.840 Hey man, I appreciate it. We'll check out next week. 1:06:38.880 --> 1:06:39.800 Did your brother have a good one? 1:06:40.200 --> 1:06:41.160 Sounds gracelan you too? 1:06:41.200 --> 1:06:41.440 All right? 1:06:41.480 --> 1:06:43.240 Take care, it's a Scott's Loan show. We've got news 1:06:43.280 --> 1:06:45.920 on the way in just minutes. It's seven hundred WLW. 1:06:46.280 --> 1:06:49.400 Do want to be an American? All right? 1:06:49.520 --> 1:06:51.320 Let me back on seven hundred w WELW. 1:06:52.720 --> 1:06:55.640 We are seeing within the Republican Party Mike Johnson, Speaker 1:06:55.680 --> 1:06:58.320 Johnson has grasped on the gap looks not quite as 1:06:58.320 --> 1:07:00.360 strong as it used to be. Number of women factor 1:07:00.480 --> 1:07:04.440 challenging him. Tennessee just had that election. We're Republican won 1:07:04.520 --> 1:07:07.280 by nine points. But the problem is that Trump carried 1:07:07.320 --> 1:07:10.240 that just a year ago by twenty two points. Number 1:07:10.280 --> 1:07:13.040 of lawmakers are stepping down. Marjorie Taylor Green an example 1:07:13.040 --> 1:07:14.920 of that too. So not all well in the GOP. 1:07:15.080 --> 1:07:16.960 So you're a lot the Democratic brought the GOP as well. 1:07:17.680 --> 1:07:19.800 There's a riff there. And you know, we just came 1:07:19.840 --> 1:07:22.240 off an election night last month. We had a string 1:07:22.320 --> 1:07:26.840 of GOP underperformances in this off year election. So now 1:07:26.880 --> 1:07:29.160 you've got Trump activist saying we need more MAGA, not 1:07:29.320 --> 1:07:31.479 less MAGA. As a solution of this, a new poll 1:07:31.520 --> 1:07:33.480 has come out commissioned by our friends of the Manhattan 1:07:33.520 --> 1:07:37.200 Institute that shows the deep cracks within the GOP coalition. 1:07:38.120 --> 1:07:40.560 You've got what's called a cohesive corps and a less 1:07:40.680 --> 1:07:43.360 stable outer ring. I love less stable stuff because it 1:07:43.480 --> 1:07:46.200 means there's action going on here. Jesse arm with Manhattan, 1:07:46.240 --> 1:07:46.600 How are. 1:07:46.520 --> 1:07:49.360 You great to be with you? Thank you for having me. 1:07:49.440 --> 1:07:51.200 Yeah, appreciate it. Kind of long set up there, but 1:07:51.240 --> 1:07:54.520 we've got lots going on. And the thing that jumped 1:07:54.520 --> 1:07:57.680 out to me about this was that almost a third 1:07:57.840 --> 1:08:00.720 of current Trump and GOP voters are what you call 1:08:00.880 --> 1:08:05.360 new entrant Republicans who may have voted Democratic as recently 1:08:05.400 --> 1:08:07.560 as twenty six year, maybe even twenty twenty for that man, 1:08:07.720 --> 1:08:10.120 what's surprised you most about that particular group when you 1:08:10.120 --> 1:08:10.960 started looking at the data. 1:08:11.920 --> 1:08:13.479 Yeah, So here's the bottom line. 1:08:13.720 --> 1:08:16.320 We were very curious because there's been so much talk 1:08:16.400 --> 1:08:19.720 in recent weeks about what is the American right, what 1:08:19.800 --> 1:08:22.479 are the fractures within today's GOP, what does it mean 1:08:22.560 --> 1:08:26.240 to be MAGA, and is this President Trump's winning coalition 1:08:26.400 --> 1:08:30.960 from twenty twenty four capable of remaining intact once the 1:08:31.040 --> 1:08:33.920 president exits the stage. So what we did was we 1:08:34.000 --> 1:08:37.919 went out and we asked nearly three thousand voters nationally, 1:08:38.200 --> 1:08:40.240 the vast majority of which we're Republican. We had a 1:08:40.240 --> 1:08:43.960 few Democrats in there for comparative purposes, and then we 1:08:44.080 --> 1:08:47.160 introduce these large what's called over samples of black and 1:08:47.280 --> 1:08:50.040 Hispanic voters, which we account for on the back end 1:08:50.080 --> 1:08:52.360 with waiting, But we really wanted to get a clear 1:08:52.520 --> 1:08:57.599 picture of the small groups that are Sometimes you don't 1:08:57.600 --> 1:08:59.600 want to make inferences that are too large out of 1:08:59.640 --> 1:09:02.160 sub populations that are too small in a survey. So 1:09:02.560 --> 1:09:04.439 all that's to say, this is one of the largest 1:09:04.640 --> 1:09:08.080 and most exhaustive survey projects to date of this new 1:09:08.600 --> 1:09:12.599 Trump built, multi ethnic working class GOP. And like you said, 1:09:12.640 --> 1:09:16.800 Scott's got two main camps that emerge. There's about a 1:09:16.840 --> 1:09:21.479 two third majority a little over that constitutes what we 1:09:21.640 --> 1:09:25.479 think of as traditional Republicans. They're quite conservative on everything 1:09:25.560 --> 1:09:28.839 from foreign policy to the economic policy, to social issues. 1:09:29.240 --> 1:09:32.880 But there is this sizeable minority, what we're calling new 1:09:33.160 --> 1:09:35.680 entrints to the GOP, people who just voted for the 1:09:35.680 --> 1:09:37.720 Republican Party for maybe the first time in the last 1:09:37.760 --> 1:09:41.040 two presidential cycles, but have we're very likely to have 1:09:41.120 --> 1:09:42.320 voted for a Democrat in. 1:09:42.360 --> 1:09:43.120 The recent past. 1:09:44.640 --> 1:09:45.519 You're talking about, right. 1:09:46.720 --> 1:09:49.760 Well, not necessarily, they're a younger block. There are more 1:09:49.920 --> 1:09:54.640 diverse block Ethnically, they are more likely to hold progressive 1:09:54.760 --> 1:09:59.679 policy views across every major policy domain. But then, somewhat oddly, 1:10:00.240 --> 1:10:04.519 they're also a significant share of them are more likely 1:10:04.600 --> 1:10:06.160 to report that they are open. 1:10:06.080 --> 1:10:09.080 To racist views or anti Semitic views. 1:10:09.080 --> 1:10:13.040 And they express potential support for political violence, and yet 1:10:13.040 --> 1:10:15.719 again they are more liberal on policies. 1:10:15.760 --> 1:10:17.559 How do you explain that contradiction. 1:10:19.479 --> 1:10:23.600 Well, I think that President Trump brought in people to 1:10:23.720 --> 1:10:28.240 the party who are all over the ideological map. And 1:10:28.280 --> 1:10:29.920 I don't think it'll be at any surprise for a 1:10:30.000 --> 1:10:35.080 lot of your listeners that the racists in American politics 1:10:35.400 --> 1:10:39.800 are often not coming from the right most place, and 1:10:40.479 --> 1:10:45.360 that is an ideological line that is just not neatly 1:10:45.479 --> 1:10:48.160 defined all the time. Your listeners probably know this. There 1:10:48.200 --> 1:10:51.439 are people in their lives who feel various different ways 1:10:51.479 --> 1:10:55.240 about any given issue. And you know, there are two 1:10:55.360 --> 1:10:58.840 kinds of factions at play in the national discourse right now. 1:10:59.040 --> 1:11:02.200 You've got left wing corporate media type and you've got 1:11:02.520 --> 1:11:05.640 some of these odd ball types on the real They 1:11:05.720 --> 1:11:07.960 want to position themselves on the right, but really they're 1:11:08.080 --> 1:11:10.600 kind of flirting with a bunch of nasty things. And 1:11:10.720 --> 1:11:13.439 what they both have in common is that they don't 1:11:13.520 --> 1:11:18.480 want to see the politically successful coalition for the Republican 1:11:18.560 --> 1:11:21.160 Party that Donald Trump put together in twenty twenty four 1:11:21.600 --> 1:11:23.759 remain intact for future election cycle. 1:11:23.920 --> 1:11:24.120 Yeah. 1:11:24.200 --> 1:11:24.599 Interesting. 1:11:25.280 --> 1:11:27.439 And there's also, i know too in the study here 1:11:27.840 --> 1:11:30.000 a generational avide. So if you're on an under fifty 1:11:30.120 --> 1:11:34.320 Republican that looks different than plus fifty Republican, I'm pretty 1:11:34.400 --> 1:11:37.640 much everything it's dark, whether it's Israel, China, or you know, 1:11:37.720 --> 1:11:40.680 traditional vatos political violence. Are there just simply now two 1:11:40.840 --> 1:11:43.600 different Republican parties coexisting temporarily? 1:11:45.960 --> 1:11:46.000 No. 1:11:46.560 --> 1:11:48.400 I think it's going to be up to the next 1:11:48.479 --> 1:11:52.360 Republican nominee to stick together a coalition that can work 1:11:52.400 --> 1:11:56.200 and win at the national level. President Trump, you know, 1:11:56.600 --> 1:11:59.160 some people might be able to pin this in kind 1:11:59.200 --> 1:12:04.840 of a endearing light and say that he's very pragmatic. 1:12:05.560 --> 1:12:08.480 Someone more hostile as the president might say that he's inconsistent. 1:12:08.840 --> 1:12:10.920 But there is a fundamental truth to the fact that 1:12:11.320 --> 1:12:14.920 President Trump has been sort of ideologically flexible on questions. 1:12:14.640 --> 1:12:15.040 Over the years. 1:12:15.080 --> 1:12:17.479 He's not a man who's afraid to change his mind. 1:12:17.920 --> 1:12:20.840 In the first term, one of his signature policy achievements 1:12:21.200 --> 1:12:24.200 with Congress was passing the first Stepbacks, which was a 1:12:24.240 --> 1:12:26.920 big piece of criminal justice reform. In this term, he's 1:12:26.960 --> 1:12:30.400 been much tougher on crime and policing. These National Guard 1:12:30.439 --> 1:12:35.280 deployments have been its signature achievement. And in his campaign 1:12:35.400 --> 1:12:38.320 for office, he ran on a message of no new wars, 1:12:38.720 --> 1:12:41.120 but also he's not afraid to use force. Now that 1:12:41.200 --> 1:12:44.839 he's in office, he's got a very hawkish posture toward Iran, 1:12:44.960 --> 1:12:48.799 towards Venezuela, toward a lot of our adversaries across the globe. 1:12:49.120 --> 1:12:53.120 So President Trump's appeal has kind of been his celebrity, 1:12:53.320 --> 1:12:59.120 his humor, and also his pragmatic flexibility around issues. What 1:12:59.320 --> 1:13:00.599 is it going to be for jd. 1:13:00.800 --> 1:13:01.679 Vance or Ted. 1:13:01.640 --> 1:13:04.080 Cruz or Mark or Rubio or whoever it is who 1:13:04.120 --> 1:13:07.400 becomes the Republican standard bearer in twenty twenty eight. Maybe 1:13:07.439 --> 1:13:09.040 they'll bring in a lot of young men the same 1:13:09.040 --> 1:13:11.479 way President Trump did in twenty twenty four. Maybe they'll 1:13:11.479 --> 1:13:14.439 win back some of the suburban moms that President Trump 1:13:14.560 --> 1:13:16.800 lost over the course of his tenure in office. But 1:13:17.280 --> 1:13:19.519 politicians have to be created, and if they want to 1:13:19.600 --> 1:13:22.840 win at national level, they can't do it with just 1:13:22.960 --> 1:13:25.240 the base. But the question is who do they add in? 1:13:25.560 --> 1:13:28.160 And it's probably pretty unlikely that the next standard bearer 1:13:28.280 --> 1:13:30.719 is going to add in that same group that President 1:13:30.760 --> 1:13:32.800 Trump would managed to manage to put together. 1:13:33.080 --> 1:13:36.559 Jesse ARMC Manhattan Institute on the study, that's a damn. 1:13:36.760 --> 1:13:39.439 I wouldn't say impossible. Nothing's impossible. And you know, every 1:13:39.520 --> 1:13:41.559 day in politics feels like it's a year these days. 1:13:41.600 --> 1:13:43.479 For sure, hardly Trump's only been in office a year. 1:13:43.520 --> 1:13:45.880 It feels like I'd spend two terms, maybe four terms 1:13:45.920 --> 1:13:49.360 at this point, like FDI, not even yeah. 1:13:49.240 --> 1:13:50.439 Right exactly, it's just every day. 1:13:51.520 --> 1:13:54.280 But you look at it, it's the cult of Trump's personality, 1:13:54.439 --> 1:13:55.880 the enigma that's Donald Trump. 1:13:56.320 --> 1:13:57.639 That's awfully hard to replicate. 1:13:57.720 --> 1:14:01.640 We've seen that tried before with other people, maybe not 1:14:01.880 --> 1:14:05.480 till Trump's level, but I'm let's face it, he's not kindoclassed. 1:14:05.680 --> 1:14:07.679 You can't replicate that. That's gonna be difficult. 1:14:08.800 --> 1:14:10.800 And we'll have to keep in mind that the Democrats 1:14:10.840 --> 1:14:15.040 are super eager to finally get their Trump. Don't be 1:14:15.160 --> 1:14:18.200 surprised that they nominate somebody in twenty twenty eight who's 1:14:18.280 --> 1:14:21.360 willing to fight some heads off and be a creative 1:14:21.439 --> 1:14:25.200 communicator and you know, break break the electorate up on 1:14:25.200 --> 1:14:29.240 along interesting ideological line. Gavin Newsom is capable of doing that. Hell, 1:14:29.320 --> 1:14:31.800 even maybe AOT may be capable of doing that. So 1:14:32.160 --> 1:14:34.559 hopefully there's a Republican that comes forward with the same 1:14:34.640 --> 1:14:39.040 kind of policy entrepreneurship and political creativity that President Trump 1:14:39.160 --> 1:14:41.080 is able to possess. But as you and I both 1:14:41.160 --> 1:14:43.160 know and your audience knows, that's no easy task. 1:14:43.479 --> 1:14:47.600 Yeah, you surveyed this group three thousand, which is a 1:14:47.640 --> 1:14:49.360 really good sample size. By the way, on a point 1:14:49.360 --> 1:14:50.720 you may go, oh, that's not that many people, but 1:14:50.880 --> 1:14:54.519 that's pretty good on where the GOP is standing, where 1:14:54.560 --> 1:14:54.960 they're headed. 1:14:55.000 --> 1:14:55.640 I guess right now. 1:14:55.800 --> 1:14:58.839 You tested things like anti semitism and the conspiracy theories, 1:14:58.920 --> 1:15:01.679 and I thought the political violence one was particularly interesting. 1:15:01.760 --> 1:15:03.680 That more than half of what you're calling the new 1:15:03.840 --> 1:15:07.600 entrant Republicans say political violence is justified or can be 1:15:07.760 --> 1:15:10.200 justified anyway, and that matches up with those on the left. 1:15:11.760 --> 1:15:14.080 Yeah, well, a lot of these people, like I said, 1:15:14.120 --> 1:15:18.200 they're younger, and they're more conspiratorial. They've got a more 1:15:18.479 --> 1:15:21.519 and once you're more conspiratorial. Another thing that our data 1:15:21.600 --> 1:15:25.080 told us is that you're also more likely to excuse 1:15:25.120 --> 1:15:28.760 political violence under the right circumstances. So we have to 1:15:28.840 --> 1:15:31.280 ask ourselves, right when we're hearing and seeing a lot 1:15:31.320 --> 1:15:34.599 of stuff in the news about the evolution of media 1:15:34.680 --> 1:15:38.720 figures like Tucker Carlson or Canvasz into a transition to 1:15:38.880 --> 1:15:43.639 a fully online environment, Well, we have to ask ourselves, like, Okay, 1:15:43.680 --> 1:15:47.519 so they're appealing to a younger block, a more diverse block, 1:15:47.760 --> 1:15:50.639 a block that's spending a lot of time in digital spaces, 1:15:50.760 --> 1:15:54.040 not listening to radio shows like yours, but are perhaps 1:15:54.120 --> 1:15:57.120 you know, spending a lot of time on TikTok and 1:15:57.240 --> 1:16:01.560 on platforms like rumble x, and the incentives are just 1:16:01.720 --> 1:16:04.559 different than what they are for electoral politics. We actually 1:16:04.600 --> 1:16:08.519 pulled voters, and when you talk to voters, it's a 1:16:08.600 --> 1:16:12.960 lot more traditional and coherent ideologically, at least the vast 1:16:13.040 --> 1:16:16.439 majority of the GOP looks that way. So it's important 1:16:16.439 --> 1:16:19.280 to keep in mind that your favorite voices in sort 1:16:19.320 --> 1:16:23.040 of new media have incentives that are different than your 1:16:23.040 --> 1:16:26.880 favorite politicians and Republicans or any political party. 1:16:27.000 --> 1:16:28.720 Yeah, I mean you had this confluence event that the 1:16:29.160 --> 1:16:31.519 long distrust of legacy media, and then along came the 1:16:31.600 --> 1:16:34.400 Internet and different influencers are online and there's no filter 1:16:34.600 --> 1:16:36.240 for them, and the more extreme the better, and that 1:16:36.720 --> 1:16:39.120 that makes sense as to why so many people majority 1:16:39.760 --> 1:16:42.439 would lean towards political violence because that's being preached on 1:16:42.479 --> 1:16:43.120 those platforms. 1:16:44.680 --> 1:16:47.680 Absolutely. Yeah, it really all comes down to that there 1:16:47.800 --> 1:16:51.920 is a core group and a fringe group, and it's 1:16:52.080 --> 1:16:54.920 up to whoever is going to be the next standard 1:16:54.960 --> 1:16:57.400 bearer for the party to come to a determination about 1:16:57.920 --> 1:17:01.799 who will make up their blows and can they create 1:17:01.960 --> 1:17:05.840 a book wide enough to secure a victory at the 1:17:05.920 --> 1:17:09.200 national stage, because I have no easy cap. President Trump 1:17:09.760 --> 1:17:12.479 even struggled to do it three times. He you know, 1:17:13.280 --> 1:17:15.400 depending on who you are married at least. 1:17:15.800 --> 1:17:19.160 So, yeah, Jesse Armin Manhattan Institute a new poll that 1:17:19.280 --> 1:17:21.840 they did. They are very exhaustive one that reveals divides 1:17:21.880 --> 1:17:24.120 inside the GOP coalition. So you've got the core, You've 1:17:24.120 --> 1:17:27.080 got the less stable outer ring. One is hearing this 1:17:27.160 --> 1:17:29.360 and going so it's just what the older people are, 1:17:29.400 --> 1:17:32.920 the neocons, and that's the cohesive core traditional conservatives of 1:17:33.360 --> 1:17:35.280 maybe ten years ago. And now you've got a less 1:17:35.280 --> 1:17:38.360 stable outer ring who are the younger entrance into the 1:17:38.479 --> 1:17:42.880 GOP is. But but even that is probably a misleading summary, 1:17:43.000 --> 1:17:44.280 right Executive Summer. 1:17:45.320 --> 1:17:48.479 Yeah, no, I mean we're not seeing a natural fault 1:17:48.600 --> 1:17:52.599 line along what you might call neocons or and then 1:17:52.640 --> 1:17:56.400 their their adversaries being I don't know, paleocon guys who 1:17:56.520 --> 1:18:00.439 like pack you canon or something like that. Maga, Yeah, 1:18:00.880 --> 1:18:05.880 isn't this isn't falling along. It's not that tidy split. Okay, 1:18:06.040 --> 1:18:09.680 We've found two much messier blocks, which I've described for 1:18:09.760 --> 1:18:13.960 you now earlier. But again it does bear repeating that 1:18:14.880 --> 1:18:18.040 just under thirty percent of today's GOP is what we 1:18:18.160 --> 1:18:21.400 call these new entrance Republican voters who join the coalition 1:18:21.600 --> 1:18:24.679 in the Trump era. They are younger, more racially diverse, 1:18:24.760 --> 1:18:27.799 and much more likely to have voted for Barack Obama, 1:18:27.960 --> 1:18:31.840 Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, or Kamala Harrince at least one time. 1:18:32.200 --> 1:18:34.840 So they are the ostensible base for much of the 1:18:34.960 --> 1:18:40.120 eccentricity that now preoccupies conservative politics. Because those voters are 1:18:40.200 --> 1:18:42.960 also so much more liberal on issues that we tested, 1:18:43.040 --> 1:18:47.040 from taxes and spending to foreign policies, immigrations to DEI 1:18:47.680 --> 1:18:52.320 to transgender issues. This is a consistent through line. And 1:18:52.880 --> 1:18:56.200 beyond all that, like I said, there is a flirtation 1:18:56.720 --> 1:19:01.240 with the kind of odd here. They're much more likely 1:19:01.320 --> 1:19:03.639 to believe a number of conspiracy theories. They're much more 1:19:03.840 --> 1:19:07.439 likely to work with political violence in some ways. And 1:19:07.600 --> 1:19:10.280 that is, you know, breaking our politics up along very 1:19:10.360 --> 1:19:10.920 funny line. 1:19:11.040 --> 1:19:14.920 Yeah, yess you mentioned the minority faction of the GOP 1:19:15.280 --> 1:19:20.080 was over sampled deliberately. But I'm looking at the numbers 1:19:20.080 --> 1:19:22.120 of d and then maybe that factors into the reason why, 1:19:23.000 --> 1:19:27.479 even more so than white Republicans, Hispanics and blacks say 1:19:27.840 --> 1:19:29.200 DEI should be made illegal. 1:19:29.280 --> 1:19:29.840 What do you make of that? 1:19:31.600 --> 1:19:34.280 I think that DEI has got to be a winning 1:19:34.560 --> 1:19:39.200 issue for conservatives moving forward, no matter who the policy 1:19:39.280 --> 1:19:42.320 standard bearers for the Republican Party. One thing that was 1:19:42.400 --> 1:19:46.080 a parent from our data is that a really useful 1:19:46.160 --> 1:19:49.160 way to think about our politics and what it is 1:19:49.240 --> 1:19:50.800 that Republicans stand for is. 1:19:51.439 --> 1:19:53.880 Merit, meaning we believe in. 1:19:55.920 --> 1:20:00.160 A true meritocracy that anybody can work their way up 1:20:00.479 --> 1:20:04.880 equality of opportunities, not equality of outcome. And I'll say 1:20:05.200 --> 1:20:09.360 that actually a politician in your state is perhaps one 1:20:09.400 --> 1:20:13.000 of the best articulators of what it means to organize 1:20:13.040 --> 1:20:16.800 the Republican Party along the through line of merit. What 1:20:17.040 --> 1:20:20.960 is fair? What is just that the best people rise 1:20:21.040 --> 1:20:23.640 to the top and that we're not giving out handouts 1:20:23.720 --> 1:20:30.520 and living in a sort of DEI racially discriminatory identity 1:20:30.640 --> 1:20:34.760 politics of set America. And that politician is the zach Ramaswami, 1:20:34.800 --> 1:20:37.040 who's I think stands a very good shot of being 1:20:37.080 --> 1:20:37.880 your next governor. 1:20:38.000 --> 1:20:41.679 Yeah, yeah, I would agree with that too. Similarly, because 1:20:41.720 --> 1:20:45.320 we're a limited time here, Jesse. Almost parallel to that 1:20:45.520 --> 1:20:49.679 is the masculinity question. Seven out of ten current GOP 1:20:50.720 --> 1:20:54.599 supporters believe that America is too feminine, and it's almost 1:20:54.640 --> 1:20:57.320 sixty percent of Republican women. What's driving that settlement and 1:20:57.640 --> 1:21:00.160 how does that going to shape the cultural position when 1:21:00.200 --> 1:21:01.200 it comes to the gender wars. 1:21:02.240 --> 1:21:06.040 Well, keep in mind that our polling was of most 1:21:06.120 --> 1:21:09.960 heavily what we call the current GOP, and we defined 1:21:10.000 --> 1:21:13.840 that as you had to be either part of the 1:21:13.920 --> 1:21:16.120 whole group that voted for Trump in twenty twenty four, 1:21:16.200 --> 1:21:20.880 regardless of your policy party registration, or you are a 1:21:20.960 --> 1:21:24.240 registered Republican even those who did not vote for President 1:21:24.320 --> 1:21:27.439 Trump to be considered in that current GOP block. And 1:21:27.640 --> 1:21:31.439 that group that President Trump has brought together and reshaped 1:21:31.479 --> 1:21:36.000 the Republican Party in that image is very male, and 1:21:36.160 --> 1:21:38.720 beyond being very male. Even the women who are part 1:21:38.760 --> 1:21:43.320 of that block believe that America has become too a feminine, 1:21:43.720 --> 1:21:48.040 feminized as a country. So how do you articulate and 1:21:48.240 --> 1:21:55.919 develop a politic that is strong masculine nationalist but avoids 1:21:56.600 --> 1:21:58.880 you know, I mean, we're both guys. We know kind 1:21:58.920 --> 1:21:59.439 of where. 1:21:59.320 --> 1:22:03.280 Guys picked right right right to be too macho, to 1:22:03.439 --> 1:22:11.040 be headstrong, stubborn effective, that compromise illy difficult, song and dance, 1:22:11.120 --> 1:22:13.640 and you're gonna see I think if I had, if 1:22:13.640 --> 1:22:16.680 I'm a betting man, the Democrats are probably going to 1:22:16.760 --> 1:22:19.439 nominate a man in twenty twenty eight if triude nominating 1:22:20.160 --> 1:22:21.360 women a couple of times. 1:22:21.439 --> 1:22:23.800 Now they've lost Gavin as the guy who sort of 1:22:23.800 --> 1:22:26.200 appears to be the front runner right now. So we're 1:22:26.200 --> 1:22:29.599 gonna be in dangerous territory as Republicans if the Democrats 1:22:29.720 --> 1:22:32.960 end up nominating a man who can speak the language 1:22:33.000 --> 1:22:37.599 of masculinity effectively while articulating a progressive policy program. 1:22:37.960 --> 1:22:40.160 Yeah, is that I mean it could be a Gavin Newsom. 1:22:40.200 --> 1:22:41.679 Is that an Andy Basher from Kentucky? 1:22:42.840 --> 1:22:44.960 It should be a lot of people, but Andy Basheer 1:22:45.040 --> 1:22:47.120 is another one who definitely gets kicked around a lot 1:22:47.280 --> 1:22:52.439 Joshupiro in Pennsylvania, another popular Democratic governor who is not 1:22:53.600 --> 1:22:56.840 you know, he doesn't talk in the sort of ultra progressive, 1:22:56.960 --> 1:23:01.439 woke ways that so many Democrats did just a couple 1:23:01.439 --> 1:23:02.000 of years ago. 1:23:02.479 --> 1:23:03.360 We're losing a lot. 1:23:04.200 --> 1:23:06.639 Yeah, and obviously the big glooming problem here is Trump 1:23:06.680 --> 1:23:09.240 two point zero. The next candidate is at paradox because 1:23:09.320 --> 1:23:11.120 based on what you just said, Jesse, the most Trump 1:23:11.240 --> 1:23:13.600 like rhetoric will appeal to the new entrance, as you 1:23:13.680 --> 1:23:16.479 call them. But core Republicans that tend to dominate the 1:23:16.520 --> 1:23:19.559 primaries want steady or more traditional leadership. So that's that's 1:23:19.600 --> 1:23:22.360 gonna be a tough one to play out. We'll see 1:23:22.400 --> 1:23:22.760 how it goes. 1:23:22.800 --> 1:23:23.000 Again. 1:23:23.080 --> 1:23:27.200 He is at Jesse arm he's at Manhattan Institute helping 1:23:27.280 --> 1:23:30.400 with this new study to kind of diagram what's happening 1:23:30.439 --> 1:23:31.840 with the GOP. We may have to do one of 1:23:31.840 --> 1:23:35.320 the Democrats too, because that's also equally confusing. We're just 1:23:35.360 --> 1:23:37.799 at one of those political crossroads that happens every generation, 1:23:37.920 --> 1:23:39.720 for sure. All the best, Thanks again for jumping. 1:23:39.479 --> 1:23:40.960 On, Thanks for having me. 1:23:41.400 --> 1:23:43.400 Take care, take care, all the best. Scott Sloan Show 1:23:43.439 --> 1:23:45.439 with News in just minutes. Here traffic weather, all the 1:23:45.439 --> 1:23:47.080 good stuff on the way down. We'll check it with 1:23:47.120 --> 1:23:49.280 my wife. Next real estate stuff, just to head Sloney 1:23:49.280 --> 1:23:50.080 seven hundred w O. 1:23:52.000 --> 1:23:57.360 Jeez, the Princess of property, the Queen of closings. But 1:23:57.640 --> 1:23:58.719 touch us out deals. 1:23:59.800 --> 1:24:03.639 It's a realistic time. What's Michelle Sloan? All hell? 1:24:04.000 --> 1:24:08.240 The bestest remax time agent I've ever met on seven 1:24:08.360 --> 1:24:09.600 hundred W l W. 1:24:10.160 --> 1:24:10.920 Good morning, How are you? 1:24:12.320 --> 1:24:13.560 I'm doing great? How are you? 1:24:13.880 --> 1:24:14.799 He fine? 1:24:16.200 --> 1:24:16.760 Yeah, you are. 1:24:17.240 --> 1:24:20.200 It's been a roast here because you know you your 1:24:20.280 --> 1:24:22.040 knee has been hurting for a while and you're like, well, 1:24:22.120 --> 1:24:23.800 you know, you just had your ankle done and we're 1:24:23.880 --> 1:24:25.880 it hit our kope. So I would say that's far 1:24:26.080 --> 1:24:28.040 a smart financial management. 1:24:29.080 --> 1:24:29.479 That's right. 1:24:29.800 --> 1:24:36.479 Care full knee replacement the day before Thanksgiving. And so 1:24:36.640 --> 1:24:40.599 it's been exactly a week in a day and actually 1:24:40.600 --> 1:24:42.120 I'm getting along pretty well. 1:24:42.800 --> 1:24:43.680 Yeah, you're doing all right? 1:24:44.439 --> 1:24:45.320 Yahretty good? 1:24:45.360 --> 1:24:45.680 Yeah. I was. 1:24:45.880 --> 1:24:49.400 I talk about, you know, over extending myself. We had 1:24:49.479 --> 1:24:51.479 seven family members over for a holidays. I did all 1:24:51.520 --> 1:24:54.720 the cooking and taking care of you the same time, Like. 1:24:54.800 --> 1:24:55.439 What the hell? 1:24:56.600 --> 1:25:00.439 Yeah, on Thursday, there wasn't much taking care of me, 1:25:00.680 --> 1:25:03.080 feeding me, pills, and you know. 1:25:03.360 --> 1:25:05.920 I was in I will say the anything you're you're 1:25:06.000 --> 1:25:07.800 up and around. Although the best thing happened when you 1:25:07.880 --> 1:25:12.000 were kind of in that fog of what do you 1:25:12.080 --> 1:25:16.600 want to call it? Pharmaceuticals some degree after surgery. This 1:25:16.720 --> 1:25:19.439 is awesome, she blurts out, because you always wonder what 1:25:19.479 --> 1:25:24.280 somebody's gonna sayhen they're under the influence of well, no, 1:25:24.400 --> 1:25:27.080 you were talking about how you came up with an 1:25:27.120 --> 1:25:33.800 idea that you should have scented oxygen like what they 1:25:33.880 --> 1:25:35.960 got the nasal candyle idea, And You're like, well, why 1:25:36.040 --> 1:25:37.479 don't they have to say you know, it'd be good. 1:25:37.560 --> 1:25:40.080 They could do like eggnog flavored, and and I'm like, 1:25:40.240 --> 1:25:42.920 uh huh. I was like, you just kept going about 1:25:42.920 --> 1:25:44.800 the different flavors it should be. There should be a 1:25:44.840 --> 1:25:47.880 peppermint wine and a gingerbread one. And wouldn't it be 1:25:47.960 --> 1:25:50.000 good if they have like, yeah, what about I don't know, 1:25:50.400 --> 1:25:54.000 ham soup. Yeah, well okay, I'm like, holy crap, she's 1:25:54.080 --> 1:25:55.040 high af right now. 1:25:55.680 --> 1:25:58.519 I know, you know, I totally remember that they set 1:25:58.560 --> 1:26:01.519 that thing in my nose terrible and it was a 1:26:01.560 --> 1:26:06.439 little bit uncomfortable, and it's now funny it's not funny 1:26:06.520 --> 1:26:08.840 to me. And I just thought, well, I need flavor. 1:26:08.960 --> 1:26:10.920 You're just getting I can't. Everything with you has to 1:26:11.000 --> 1:26:11.559 be flavored. 1:26:11.600 --> 1:26:12.280 It's the water. 1:26:12.520 --> 1:26:13.839 I got flavored oxygen. 1:26:14.040 --> 1:26:14.800 I think back in the. 1:26:14.880 --> 1:26:16.920 Day when the oxygen bars were a thing, and they 1:26:16.960 --> 1:26:20.160 might still be, but I think they had the scented oxygen. 1:26:20.240 --> 1:26:22.640 But you're going alike, and you just kept talking and 1:26:22.840 --> 1:26:25.519 talking and talking about the different sense that we're coming 1:26:25.560 --> 1:26:27.719 to mind like, Okay, I get it, Yes, send it oxygen, 1:26:28.080 --> 1:26:29.320 run into the whole playlist. 1:26:29.960 --> 1:26:32.320 I must have been doing that when I when they 1:26:32.400 --> 1:26:34.680 wield me in, I don't know. So they wheeled me 1:26:34.840 --> 1:26:37.560 into the operating room, and I remember I was just 1:26:37.720 --> 1:26:40.560 superjabber and I just I have no idea what I 1:26:40.680 --> 1:26:43.479 was talking about. But all I saw were the bright 1:26:43.640 --> 1:26:45.720 lights above me. You know, I felt like I was 1:26:45.840 --> 1:26:48.680 in a medical drama or something, and I was on 1:26:48.800 --> 1:26:51.439 the table and I'm just going, oh, the lights, the 1:26:51.520 --> 1:26:52.559 blah blah blah, and all of. 1:26:52.560 --> 1:26:56.400 A sudden, I'm like, you're a nervous going yeah, I'm 1:26:56.520 --> 1:26:58.080 kind of like a veteran with these things, like yeah, 1:26:58.120 --> 1:27:00.160 you'll you know, you're alert, wake oriented, and all of 1:27:00.200 --> 1:27:02.240 a sudden. I said, you know you're gonna You're gonna 1:27:02.439 --> 1:27:04.800 blink and you'll be in recovery going what the hell 1:27:04.960 --> 1:27:05.400 just happened? 1:27:05.520 --> 1:27:08.680 So exactly all I remember is looking up at the 1:27:08.800 --> 1:27:10.879 lights going, oh, I'm like in a TV. 1:27:10.920 --> 1:27:17.040 Show, doctor Murphy Beacon awesome did a great job. 1:27:17.200 --> 1:27:18.400 So yeah we did. 1:27:18.560 --> 1:27:18.880 He did. 1:27:19.040 --> 1:27:22.080 Actually, And again I've been up walking around. I had 1:27:22.120 --> 1:27:24.960 a you know, and they tell me, they tell you 1:27:25.040 --> 1:27:27.280 when you have me replaced in surgery, and I've heard 1:27:27.320 --> 1:27:30.080 a lot of people had it, and over the years, 1:27:30.160 --> 1:27:33.599 I think it's changed quite a bit. But just walking 1:27:33.640 --> 1:27:36.960 around day one day too, you know, that first day 1:27:37.040 --> 1:27:41.799 of p T was on Friday, just two days after surgery, 1:27:42.680 --> 1:27:45.600 and the boy the next day, I. 1:27:45.720 --> 1:27:47.920 Felt that I was feeling right right, But a lot 1:27:47.920 --> 1:27:50.280 of people with there it's like it's it's it's pretty 1:27:50.320 --> 1:27:52.479 easy comparatively speaking to what it was just a few 1:27:52.560 --> 1:27:52.920 years ago. 1:27:53.040 --> 1:27:56.080 So well, I thought I was going to be like Superwoman. 1:27:55.640 --> 1:27:58.320 And I was, you know, I was too old for that. Wow, 1:27:58.439 --> 1:27:59.320 way too old for that. 1:28:00.040 --> 1:28:00.560 Oh thank you. 1:28:02.200 --> 1:28:04.200 To that point, my final point on this one, it 1:28:04.320 --> 1:28:07.240 was hysterical. The other night, I'm She's like, well, I'm 1:28:07.280 --> 1:28:08.600 kind of cold, she's on the gosh, you got her 1:28:08.680 --> 1:28:10.920 leg up, she's got her ice on. Uh. And I 1:28:11.040 --> 1:28:14.360 walk in the living room. She's watching TV. She's stopped 1:28:14.400 --> 1:28:16.519 for some reason, like at the Hallmark channel or something 1:28:16.640 --> 1:28:19.200 like that. She's got her blanket on, she's got a 1:28:19.240 --> 1:28:21.360 cup of tea, and her cane is next to her. 1:28:21.400 --> 1:28:24.360 I'm like, oh, you're just one cat away from being 1:28:24.439 --> 1:28:29.800 that lady, that old lady. And I went, oh my god, 1:28:29.880 --> 1:28:31.400 and you started laughing. I was like, it was so 1:28:31.479 --> 1:28:32.240 funny because. 1:28:32.000 --> 1:28:35.880 It's like, yeah, you know, if I wanted a cup 1:28:35.960 --> 1:28:37.200 of tea, if I had a. 1:28:37.840 --> 1:28:39.599 Nice you want a nice cup of tea? How about 1:28:39.640 --> 1:28:41.479 a nice cup of tea would go great with your cat? 1:28:41.560 --> 1:28:46.559 You're asking your cane in the Hallmark Channel's perfect. All right, 1:28:46.640 --> 1:28:47.880 let's talk real estate stuff. 1:28:47.880 --> 1:28:48.360 What do we got? 1:28:49.280 --> 1:28:51.960 Oh my gosh. Okay. So, actually, this is a topic 1:28:52.240 --> 1:28:55.680 that has come up a couple of times in the 1:28:55.800 --> 1:28:58.360 last month, so I thought it would be a good conversation. 1:28:59.040 --> 1:29:00.920 There's a lot of people who are getting to that 1:29:01.080 --> 1:29:04.240 age where they want to downsize or right size their home, 1:29:04.800 --> 1:29:07.760 and they want to decide do I want to find 1:29:07.760 --> 1:29:09.960 a ranch, do I want to live in a condo 1:29:10.680 --> 1:29:17.120 and so the it's sort of an interesting idea of Okay, 1:29:17.120 --> 1:29:19.600 am I ready for a condo because you have to 1:29:19.720 --> 1:29:22.400 kind of be ready to go into a condo because 1:29:22.439 --> 1:29:25.519 you're going to have neighbors, they're going to be nosy, 1:29:26.040 --> 1:29:28.799 You're going to have an h o A a condo, 1:29:29.400 --> 1:29:34.680 A condo is. There's a lot of great factors when 1:29:34.760 --> 1:29:37.120 it comes to condo. So let's just look at the 1:29:37.360 --> 1:29:41.040 comparison between if you want to buy a home or 1:29:41.120 --> 1:29:43.840 do you want to buy a condo. The condo the 1:29:43.960 --> 1:29:48.000 pros are pretty easy to lift. The low maintenance living 1:29:48.680 --> 1:29:52.000 you don't have to well, you have maintenance inside your. 1:29:51.920 --> 1:29:54.320 Home maybe, but you know the thes are cutting the grass, 1:29:54.479 --> 1:29:57.320 of moving the snow, the roof, the siding, anything big 1:29:57.439 --> 1:29:58.439 like you don't have to worry about it. 1:29:59.320 --> 1:30:01.679 No, you still have to worry about, you know, making 1:30:01.720 --> 1:30:04.640 sure you're changing your filters on your age back. You 1:30:04.720 --> 1:30:08.800 know there's there's interior or stuff that's not forget about it. 1:30:08.840 --> 1:30:11.200 It's nothing for you, but there's something for people. Yeah, 1:30:11.320 --> 1:30:14.920 something you know people regularly you have to do change. 1:30:14.760 --> 1:30:16.840 A filter something you know, call a plumber, electrician if 1:30:16.840 --> 1:30:18.720 something else goes wrong. But that's largely. 1:30:20.320 --> 1:30:23.519 It's fairly low maintenance living. For sure, it can be 1:30:23.680 --> 1:30:28.320 more affordable, but once you factor in the monthly HOA fees, 1:30:29.439 --> 1:30:32.760 it could be very similar price point wise to a 1:30:32.840 --> 1:30:37.320 single family home because just imagine you're paying two hundred, 1:30:37.360 --> 1:30:39.920 three hundred, four hundred. I've seen as high as five 1:30:40.040 --> 1:30:45.040 hundred dollars a month for a homeowner's association, plus if 1:30:45.080 --> 1:30:47.639 you have a mortgage. Now, if you don't have a mortgage, 1:30:47.960 --> 1:30:51.759 you're just paying that monthly fee along with your utility. Okay, 1:30:51.840 --> 1:30:53.960 that may be doable, but that could add up to 1:30:54.160 --> 1:30:57.040 like a thousand dollars a month. So again it's something 1:30:57.120 --> 1:30:59.720 that you have to think about. The amenities and a 1:30:59.760 --> 1:31:04.080 con could be very nice and attractive. A pool, fitness center, clubhouse, 1:31:04.160 --> 1:31:05.360 walking trails, things like that. 1:31:06.720 --> 1:31:08.160 You don't really have to worry about it. 1:31:08.680 --> 1:31:10.519 You know, you can kind of close the door and 1:31:10.600 --> 1:31:15.640 go on vacation. But again, the cons then are those hoavs, 1:31:16.240 --> 1:31:19.720 your rules and restrictions. If you have a pet, you 1:31:19.880 --> 1:31:22.000 usually can't just let it out the back door and 1:31:22.120 --> 1:31:24.040 let us go do it business and come back in. 1:31:24.200 --> 1:31:25.679 You're going to have to walk your pets. 1:31:26.840 --> 1:31:28.560 You may or may not be able to use that 1:31:28.720 --> 1:31:31.479 property as a rental at any point. A lot of 1:31:31.560 --> 1:31:37.200 homeowners associations and condos are doing away with allowing rentals 1:31:37.400 --> 1:31:39.760 in most communities, so you have to check on that. 1:31:40.960 --> 1:31:43.960 It's also a little bit of a slower appreciation as 1:31:44.080 --> 1:31:49.720 far as that investment goes with a condo that has 1:31:49.800 --> 1:31:54.439 a homeowner's association. The older the condo is, the higher 1:31:54.560 --> 1:31:58.639 the HOA fee is on a monthly basis. So plus, 1:31:58.720 --> 1:32:03.240 you want to make sure that the condo is doing 1:32:04.520 --> 1:32:07.720 the best they can with your money. They're investing it. 1:32:08.000 --> 1:32:10.880 You make sure there's a good reserve. Those kinds of 1:32:10.960 --> 1:32:14.920 things are important to look at before you buy, because otherwise, 1:32:15.040 --> 1:32:17.120 if a big if they're you know, if they don't, 1:32:17.200 --> 1:32:21.160 if the HA doesn't have their stuff together and you 1:32:21.400 --> 1:32:25.120 need a new roof, and so does ten other condos, 1:32:25.360 --> 1:32:28.240 you know, that's not a cheap thing that comes out 1:32:28.280 --> 1:32:31.639 of the condo budget, the HOA budget. So you want 1:32:31.680 --> 1:32:33.400 to make sure that there's a reserve in there to 1:32:33.439 --> 1:32:36.879 take care of that and there's a plan. So condos 1:32:36.920 --> 1:32:39.960 can be extremely great, but I've had two clients of 1:32:40.120 --> 1:32:43.360 mine who moved into condos in the last year and 1:32:43.479 --> 1:32:48.440 they hated it. Absolutely hated it. If they felt restricted, 1:32:48.960 --> 1:32:51.240 they felt like it wasn't their own home, they felt 1:32:51.280 --> 1:32:54.080 like they were renting even though they owned it. So 1:32:54.680 --> 1:32:57.960 they moved from get me out of this condo and 1:32:58.200 --> 1:33:01.120 find me a single family home. And so I think 1:33:01.240 --> 1:33:06.920 that's a really interesting I just find it fascinating because 1:33:07.120 --> 1:33:09.800 you're all in on the condo thing until you're in 1:33:09.920 --> 1:33:12.120 there and you're like, oh, this is way too restrictive. 1:33:12.880 --> 1:33:16.720 So obviously the pros of buying a single family home. 1:33:17.240 --> 1:33:19.240 You know, you have the space, you have the control 1:33:19.439 --> 1:33:23.800 for the most part, there's usually fewer rules, but you 1:33:23.920 --> 1:33:26.640 do have to handle all of your maintenance. But guess what, 1:33:27.479 --> 1:33:30.080 if you're to the point in your life where this 1:33:30.280 --> 1:33:34.160 is this is your life, you can always hire somebody 1:33:34.240 --> 1:33:37.560 to do it. And sometimes you can hire someone to 1:33:37.800 --> 1:33:40.479 do your lawn maintenance for cheaper than an hoa wall. 1:33:41.439 --> 1:33:43.000 Yeah, I mean you can hire it out right. You 1:33:43.080 --> 1:33:45.920 look at it, going okay, pepepe, and and probably that's 1:33:45.960 --> 1:33:47.560 the case too. I'm wonder some of these hoas you 1:33:47.640 --> 1:33:49.920 look at the fees and you know, I know you've 1:33:49.960 --> 1:33:52.599 had clients, Michelle where they have balked and said, man, 1:33:52.680 --> 1:33:55.400 the hoa is killing me right now, and you add 1:33:55.400 --> 1:33:57.000 it up to go, well, I could firm this out 1:33:57.080 --> 1:33:59.720 that you know, the snowshoveling, which is maybe not even 1:33:59.720 --> 1:34:01.200 a hand full of time of year, or you could 1:34:01.200 --> 1:34:03.000 do it yourself maybe, but okay, I don't want to 1:34:03.040 --> 1:34:06.040 cut the lawn anymore right now. But they also pay 1:34:06.040 --> 1:34:07.599 if you know, then when the roof needs replay, well, 1:34:07.600 --> 1:34:10.559 the roof roofleling needs are replaced every well roughly twenty years. 1:34:11.320 --> 1:34:13.040 They're not going to do an air conditioning unit or 1:34:13.080 --> 1:34:15.040 anything like that. Maybe you know, they'll paint it every 1:34:15.080 --> 1:34:17.240 few years if it's older. Okay, but I think I 1:34:17.640 --> 1:34:19.000 I'll have to do the math and go. You know, 1:34:19.080 --> 1:34:23.720 if I just did this myself, it's I'm a head 1:34:23.760 --> 1:34:24.040 of Again. 1:34:24.080 --> 1:34:26.280 In the long run, it could save money. And again, 1:34:26.360 --> 1:34:30.479 when you're buying a home, there's higher appreciation as long 1:34:30.560 --> 1:34:33.400 as you are continuing the maintenance. You can't just you know, 1:34:33.520 --> 1:34:35.680 buy it and forget it. A lot of people do that, 1:34:35.960 --> 1:34:38.960 and then you know, we know that that can result 1:34:39.080 --> 1:34:44.920 in some disastrous maintenance bills as things move forward. But 1:34:45.240 --> 1:34:48.400 you know, it's a great question you have to understand 1:34:49.200 --> 1:34:52.720 before you get into it, because the other thing is 1:34:52.800 --> 1:34:56.639 if you're planning on selling, condos do turnover a little 1:34:56.720 --> 1:34:59.559 bit more than a single family home. So if you're 1:34:59.640 --> 1:35:02.120 planning to be in that home for at least five 1:35:02.200 --> 1:35:07.200 to seven years, consider the single family home first, and 1:35:07.439 --> 1:35:11.679 then you know, maybe an option would be a condo. 1:35:11.800 --> 1:35:15.400 There's a lot of new condos being built currently. Again, 1:35:15.600 --> 1:35:19.640 if depending on your lifestyle, do you want to have 1:35:19.840 --> 1:35:22.840 someone like directly next to you, do you want to 1:35:22.880 --> 1:35:25.360 be able to hear them? Would you like to have 1:35:25.560 --> 1:35:29.160 someone above you or below you? In a lot of condos, 1:35:29.200 --> 1:35:32.200 it's either an apartment style or it's a townhouse style. 1:35:32.760 --> 1:35:35.280 So there's a lot of different options when it comes 1:35:35.320 --> 1:35:38.080 to condos. You know, we find that younger people who 1:35:38.120 --> 1:35:41.840 are just starting out, the condo's a great option. Right 1:35:42.120 --> 1:35:44.640 If you are a young first time home buyer and 1:35:44.800 --> 1:35:48.799 you can find a condo that helps you build equity, 1:35:49.000 --> 1:35:52.759 helps you build your credit, a condo's a great option 1:35:53.280 --> 1:35:56.439 because you may not have a single clue unless you 1:35:56.520 --> 1:35:59.880 have a handy dad. Yes, you may not have a 1:36:00.080 --> 1:36:02.280 clue as to how to do the maintenance and stuff 1:36:02.360 --> 1:36:05.320 like that. So buying a condo when you're young and 1:36:05.439 --> 1:36:08.559 you don't know might be a good it's a good 1:36:08.600 --> 1:36:12.559 option for you and then graduate to a single family home. 1:36:12.600 --> 1:36:14.560 But if you're on the other end of the spectrum, 1:36:14.840 --> 1:36:18.120 you really have to consider what's important. Is the condo 1:36:18.200 --> 1:36:21.720 better for your lifestyle, your financing and all of that, 1:36:22.400 --> 1:36:23.880 or is a single family home better? 1:36:24.120 --> 1:36:25.600 What about an RV Clark. 1:36:26.840 --> 1:36:29.320 An RV Clark, I don't know much about that, and 1:36:29.640 --> 1:36:32.280 it's not something that I would ever consider, because we 1:36:32.400 --> 1:36:34.920 are not going to be an tenement on wheels. 1:36:36.320 --> 1:36:38.320 We're going to afford a tenement on wheels exactly. 1:36:39.680 --> 1:36:41.479 Although I know those people who have done that and said, 1:36:41.479 --> 1:36:42.760 you know what, I'm just getting an RV and driver 1:36:42.840 --> 1:36:44.439 on the country. They're quite happy about it. And you 1:36:44.479 --> 1:36:46.360 could think about it. You sold your house, you could 1:36:46.360 --> 1:36:49.040 buy you could buy a boss. Most people could for 1:36:49.120 --> 1:36:50.240 the cost of a house. 1:36:50.320 --> 1:36:50.439 Right. 1:36:50.520 --> 1:36:53.080 Yeah, But here's the thing. Okay, let's talk about that 1:36:53.280 --> 1:36:55.760 for a second. And we've known people who've done it, 1:36:55.840 --> 1:36:57.479 but they've done it for like a year or so. 1:36:58.120 --> 1:37:01.040 It's fun for a minute, But are you really going 1:37:01.120 --> 1:37:02.920 to live in an r. 1:37:03.000 --> 1:37:04.559 V for the rest of your life? 1:37:04.920 --> 1:37:05.920 I don't off. 1:37:06.040 --> 1:37:08.240 Maybe you know, for the short maybe I don't know. 1:37:08.320 --> 1:37:09.479 Maybe you want to do it for five years. 1:37:09.560 --> 1:37:11.960 I mean it's fine, it's fine for I think short 1:37:12.080 --> 1:37:14.439 term personally, I could never do it. 1:37:15.439 --> 1:37:18.400 Just no, No, that's a that's a that's a. 1:37:18.400 --> 1:37:20.559 Hard mat because no matter how big it is, it's 1:37:20.560 --> 1:37:22.240 still not far and off away from me, right. 1:37:24.960 --> 1:37:28.439 That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying, sir. 1:37:28.680 --> 1:37:31.679 Yeah, we fight, We fight enough now we actually driving 1:37:31.920 --> 1:37:34.040 is the largest houses on wheels right now? 1:37:34.120 --> 1:37:35.760 What could possibly go row out? 1:37:35.920 --> 1:37:38.640 And if I'm in a way you. 1:37:38.760 --> 1:37:41.000 Leave doors open, somebody's bound to fall out. 1:37:48.080 --> 1:37:50.000 That's kind of funny. It's like, so if you would 1:37:50.040 --> 1:37:52.280 live on an airplane, so that would mean I'd have 1:37:52.439 --> 1:37:54.559 to close all the cabinet doors and do the little 1:37:54.600 --> 1:37:57.280 locky thing like they do an airplane. You gotta lock 1:37:57.320 --> 1:37:58.519 it so there's any trigger, right. 1:37:58.560 --> 1:38:00.639 Yeah, it's going to look like the tight Gus, what's 1:38:00.640 --> 1:38:02.320 gonna happen? It's gonna be crap all over. 1:38:02.400 --> 1:38:02.680 You left? 1:38:02.720 --> 1:38:03.639 Did you like those doors? 1:38:03.680 --> 1:38:04.559 I thought I shut? 1:38:04.800 --> 1:38:08.680 Shot, I shut that I did, I closed, and I swear. 1:38:08.840 --> 1:38:11.200 My innditions for the fifth time this month. Awesome. 1:38:11.560 --> 1:38:14.400 My wife, Michelle Sloan, We'll just we're just happy having 1:38:14.439 --> 1:38:14.800 a home. 1:38:14.920 --> 1:38:16.439 How about that? Our home is nice. 1:38:16.479 --> 1:38:17.200 We love our home. 1:38:17.240 --> 1:38:19.880 We're the house that's all good. Well S, your knees 1:38:19.920 --> 1:38:22.040 getting better, so it's all good during these holiday seas. 1:38:22.080 --> 1:38:24.439 All right, thanks again, appreciate it. My wife over at 1:38:24.880 --> 1:38:28.280 Sloan sells homes dot com and every next time in Mainville, love. 1:38:28.120 --> 1:38:29.400 You, see you light. I gotta go. I gotta go 1:38:29.880 --> 1:38:31.400 because I gotta get the news. 1:38:31.479 --> 1:38:32.920 We've got Willie on the way next. We got lots 1:38:32.960 --> 1:38:34.600 going on on this Thursday morning, and he made it 1:38:34.680 --> 1:38:36.960 to Friday, at least I did. Anyway, a few more 1:38:37.000 --> 1:38:38.920 hours for you and you're there as well. Right weekend, 1:38:39.080 --> 1:38:41.320 just ahead all of the best Bengals coverage seven hundred 1:38:41.360 --> 1:38:42.400 WWT Cincinnati