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Speaker 1: Do you want to be an American?

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Speaker 2: He's got fun backed on seven hundred WLW alot news

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Speaker 2: and big news we've had in the headlines recently. There's

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Speaker 2: other things that are kind of important. One of those

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Speaker 2: is I don't know if you saw this, but the

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Speaker 2: auditor of state State of Ohio reported at least twenty

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Speaker 2: three cyber attacks against government offices in the past twelve months.

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Speaker 2: It's here in Ohio, including seven hundred thousand dollars in

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Speaker 2: theft in Licking County. We've seen this in Dayton, and

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Speaker 2: in Cincinnati and across the area. Oh and let's not

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Speaker 2: forget that one in Middletown. And as a result, lawmakers

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Speaker 2: are working on cybersecurity legislations coming together that would require

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Speaker 2: municipalities to develop their own policies in response to those

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Speaker 2: cyber attacks and local governments. Chris Nihis is here. He's

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Speaker 2: the CEO of Cincinnati based Vigilant Cyber Security and Joints

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Speaker 2: show to discuss Chris.

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Speaker 3: Welcome, Thanks Scott, thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 4: Yes, sir.

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Speaker 2: Before we get to the new law, we also have

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Speaker 2: the holiday buying season here. Everyone's clicking, clicking, clicking. We

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Speaker 2: just had cyber Monday biggest one Everett grows every year.

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Speaker 2: We had a huge Black Friday, buying a lot of

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Speaker 2: stuff online or ordering it picking up later what it

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Speaker 2: might be. And we have seen a threat against the

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Speaker 2: supply chain. For those at the user end can explain

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Speaker 2: what's going on here, what to look out for.

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Speaker 3: Right, So what's crazy about this?

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Speaker 5: So MPMs are packets of data it's or it's it's software,

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Speaker 5: and what developers will do is they'll go out and

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Speaker 5: get the software kind of like a marketplace, and they'll

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Speaker 5: So what basically happened here is uh is an individual

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Speaker 5: and basically gave up access to these modules. Attacks went

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Speaker 5: in modified them to when they were updated, like when

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Speaker 5: people update their software, and these are definitely the cyber

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Speaker 5: attack went into all of these different pieces of software

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Speaker 3: So the problem with this is.

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Speaker 5: Is that developers don't always necessarily know what packages they

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Speaker 5: put into these applications. Companies they don't know if they

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Speaker 5: their websites or whatever. In this case, it's affecting a

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Speaker 5: lot of crypto wallets that are out there, and so

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Speaker 5: it's a massive problem because this supply chain attack of

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Speaker 5: basically a supply chain of the piece of software that

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Speaker 5: record that's even there is. It can affect the applications

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Speaker 5: you use every day. And in a lot of case,

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Speaker 5: what they're seeing where a lot of these applications were

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Speaker 5: affected were crypto wallets. So if you're transferring crypto, one

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Speaker 5: of the things that's happening is malicious attackers. So it's

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Speaker 5: where if you go to transfer crypto, the software actually

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Speaker 5: swaps out the sending address that you're sending to with

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Speaker 5: their address, So they're accumulating crypto from people trying to

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Speaker 5: make legitimate transactions by just changing that out.

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Speaker 4: Wow, got it.

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Speaker 2: So now every time you click buy or you know,

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Speaker 2: add the car right now, now you've got to think

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Speaker 2: about that, right.

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Speaker 3: No, it's crazy.

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Speaker 5: As we talk with HB ninety six, it's even these

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Speaker 5: things can be related, right because you know, when when

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Speaker 5: it's software, it's embedded in software you use, you don't

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Speaker 5: necessarily know those things are happening. So like within PM

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Speaker 5: it's invisible to everybody out there, you know, but it's everywhere, right.

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Speaker 5: It's the software library system that developers use to build

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Speaker 5: these apps and websites, and so you know, I think

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Speaker 5: it's like the plumbing behind all of your favorite apps, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, right right right, We don't think about it until

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Speaker 2: now we can breach that as well. And this gets

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Speaker 2: back to the discussion about HB ninety six, your cybersecurity

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Speaker 2: legislation across the state. The state says, well, if you're

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Speaker 2: plan to deal with cyber attacks on local level. You've

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Speaker 2: got to review your do a systems review, identify risks

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Speaker 2: We saw what happened well this past summer, systems down

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Speaker 2: and the people in Middletown are actually angry. They want

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Speaker 5: Well, see here, the thing about it is, and you know,

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Speaker 5: something that people don't like me to say, especially in

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Speaker 5: this industry, but it's the truth of it. And you know,

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Speaker 5: if you look at all of the reports year after year,

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Speaker 5: the time it takes to detect a threat right now

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Speaker 5: is seven years.

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Speaker 3: I mean that seven years starts seven months.

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Speaker 4: That's grown years.

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Speaker 5: Well sometimes you know, with with the attack against Dropbox

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Speaker 5: it was four years, right so so, but average right

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Speaker 5: now with seven months and and and that's where you know,

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Speaker 5: the part of the issue is the cyber industry just

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Speaker 5: it does take teams that have had skill sets in

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Speaker 5: And unfortunately in our school districts and local governments, you know,

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Speaker 5: they don't have the funding.

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Speaker 3: You know, they're they're they're not giving the funding to

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Speaker 5: And you know, if you watch some of these uh

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Speaker 5: bring up purchase for cybersecurity and it gets trumps because

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Speaker 5: of cydewalks fixes right and which are both important. But

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Speaker 5: have the resources. So to your point, yes, it's going

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Speaker 5: You know what happens though in these organizations is they

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Speaker 5: buy commodity software that is more automatic, and that's that's

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Speaker 5: part of the issue, is that the automatic approach to

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Speaker 5: going to have to spend a lot more money. Local

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Speaker 5: to have to bolster their teams up uh, and they're

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Speaker 5: that they buy inside the environments you know that they

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Speaker 2: Right right, Well, that's the thing is finding the proper vendor.

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Speaker 2: can I just go wait a minute, I've got a

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Speaker 2: hell they're doing. Does that cover them legally from the

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Speaker 5: And that's really the thing with all of this is that,

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Speaker 5: tech they buy. They can't just buy a brand name.

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Speaker 5: And in fact, if you look at that seven months

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Speaker 5: at the end of the day, you are legally responsible

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Speaker 5: because you chose where to put the data. And in

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Speaker 5: this case, you know there there's you know, the responsibility

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Speaker 5: You have to you know, you can't ransomware, which I

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Speaker 5: think is a good thing in most cases because it

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Speaker 5: I think it'll make school districts a lot less of

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Speaker 5: a target in some ways because they'll be harder to

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Speaker 5: get them. But they have to get either board approval

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Speaker 5: ransomware now, which is really good. But the other thing

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Speaker 5: well and the states like California did really really poorly.

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Speaker 5: And basically in this bill, it makes all cybersecurity records

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Speaker 5: and purchases confidential, and in like California, they have to

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Speaker 5: report everything they do literally public record. And so why

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Speaker 5: that's important is when you're when you're fighting against cyber

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Speaker 5: tackers that know what they're doing, and if you have

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Speaker 5: and you tell everybody all the technology you use, and

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Speaker 5: Ohio did a really good thing. You don't normally see

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Speaker 3: Ohio did an awesome job.

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Speaker 4: That's incredible.

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Speaker 2: Here's California, Silicon Valley, Apple, all these big and they

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Speaker 4: Here's Ohio. We get it right. Good for right, we

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Speaker 2: Oh the reason I live in Ohio now California, Chris

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Speaker 2: and I heis CEO of vigil and Cybersecurity in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: We're a few weeks in now to legislation that was

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Speaker 2: with a cyber plan. And there's a lot of questions

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Speaker 2: there for the smaller ones. I mean the big ones.

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Speaker 2: Cleveland had a huge cyber attack. They're a victim of.

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Speaker 2: I believe the court system in Cleveland recently had that happen.

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Speaker 2: So it's big cities too, not just places like Middletown

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Speaker 2: where we were shut down for a while, and the

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Speaker 2: residents are angry because they just want to know how

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Speaker 2: much information was compromised. We know, like, for example, the

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Speaker 2: one in Columbus, Columbus last year. As a matter of fact,

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Speaker 2: it was a major one. I think it breached like

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Speaker 2: five hundred thousand people, including names and dobs, addresses, tax accounts, socials,

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Speaker 2: all that stuff that's stolen and sold in the dark web.

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Speaker 2: Still have no idea who did it, where the information is.

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Speaker 2: It's just out there in the ether and there's no

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Speaker 2: catching these people, as we've talked about before, Chris, But

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Speaker 2: those are two of many. I think the problem for

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Speaker 2: me is and I heard about this firsthand from a friend.

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Speaker 2: Kettering Health Alliance had a ransomware malware attack shut everything down,

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Speaker 2: and I don't know what the outcome was, but you know,

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Speaker 2: their pr people kind of played it close to the vest, like, Hey,

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Speaker 2: everything's fine, we got it under control, we're working on

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Speaker 2: the problem, and there's no disclosure. Now, if you're that's

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Speaker 2: one thing in your company, but if it's your health records,

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Speaker 2: if it's your social if it's your address, I need

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Speaker 2: to know that that information has been compromised and it's transparency,

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Speaker 2: so you look at it go. You know, I just

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Speaker 2: don't want to held accountable. I don't want to get

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Speaker 2: voted out if I'm a Middletown City council person, if

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Speaker 2: I'm the mayor of Columbus, or I'm the CEO of

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Speaker 2: a healthcare operation. I don't want that on my I'm

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Speaker 2: the one stead staying on my record, so we'll downplay it.

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Speaker 2: That's not good for the people who have been victimized.

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Speaker 5: If you if you don't, if you haven't done it,

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Speaker 2: Because you're young, you don't, you're not, thank you, you know,

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Speaker 2: you haven't pulled any credit yet, and so I don't

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Speaker 2: But all they need is a social Security number. And

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Speaker 5: And the other thing too is you know what you know,

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Speaker 5: then that way they have some if something does happen

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Speaker 3: But yeah, it's you know, you know this data.

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Speaker 5: Is so widespread companies just I'll just say companies do not.

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Speaker 5: But then with accountability comes regulation, and with regulation there's

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Speaker 2: Chris Nihi, CEO of Vigilant Cybersecurity and Cincinnati, always enjoy

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Speaker 3: I appreciate you, Nik, I appreciate you, great guy.

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Speaker 2: this is something that gives the landlord's a bad name.

437
00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,359
Speaker 2: But also the fact of the matter is it's just

438
00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:22,080
Speaker 2: it's confiscatory, is what it is. Doubling or tripling the rent.

439
00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,119
Speaker 2: I mean, how much were we paying like a dollar

440
00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:28,359
Speaker 2: a month before, right, I mean how much I would

441
00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:30,520
Speaker 2: think I was like pretty close to it may be

442
00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,480
Speaker 2: below fair market value, okay, you know, we want to

443
00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:35,680
Speaker 2: kind of keep up, and there's expenses and everything else,

444
00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,920
Speaker 2: and not everyone who's the landlord is an evil, you know,

445
00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:42,720
Speaker 2: moniacal mustache, twirling money baron for crying out Loud'm just

446
00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:46,200
Speaker 2: trying to make a profit here. But he said he

447
00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,159
Speaker 2: we're gonna take action or city's looking at action. And

448
00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,520
Speaker 2: this is from where it was Local twelve head of

449
00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:52,600
Speaker 2: the store. I did an interview with him and the

450
00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:56,920
Speaker 2: developer though the buildings developer kingsleyan Company is one of

451
00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:02,040
Speaker 2: the principles in that company is Chiddenman duke Way. Of course,

452
00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:07,280
Speaker 2: Chinman Dukeway was central in the PG Sittenfeld arrest. Now,

453
00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,520
Speaker 2: of course those charges no longer they all dismissed. He's

454
00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,160
Speaker 2: out of jail. And now you start wondering, well, maybe

455
00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,320
Speaker 2: it wasn't PG. Maybe it was Chittleman Duke Way. Is

456
00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:20,720
Speaker 2: there's maybe he's the guy that's driving. So they developed

457
00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:22,560
Speaker 2: the building and they had federal tax money involved a

458
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:26,560
Speaker 2: million dollar capital grant from the city, and they received

459
00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,240
Speaker 2: a one tax abatement over fifteen years from the city

460
00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,080
Speaker 2: based on the estimated two and a half million dollar

461
00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,160
Speaker 2: worth of the of the building after it was built.

462
00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:37,639
Speaker 2: And so in the abatement application they said without it,

463
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,600
Speaker 2: they we'd be about a million two short on it,

464
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:42,760
Speaker 2: and so they gave a taxibatement to make up the difference.

465
00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,240
Speaker 2: And they also said, by the way, it's like, well,

466
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,560
Speaker 2: we're not increasing rent right now, We're going to wait

467
00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:49,639
Speaker 2: till after the first year.

468
00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:51,480
Speaker 4: Well, you know it is.

469
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,600
Speaker 2: I want to point this out, but it's December fourth.

470
00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,320
Speaker 2: Well I'm technically we're not going to do it right now.

471
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,840
Speaker 2: That would be but starting January first, double or triple.

472
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever heard that one before where

473
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:06,680
Speaker 2: your rent has gone up double or triple. Maybe in

474
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,360
Speaker 2: you know, out west or something where the real estate

475
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,639
Speaker 2: is ridiculously expensive out there and the cost rentals are

476
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:15,359
Speaker 2: ridiculous expensive, but certainly not here in the Midwest alone Cincinnati, Like,

477
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,000
Speaker 2: what do you do? Why would you double or triple

478
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:19,400
Speaker 2: the rent at this point? I don't know if it's

479
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:21,960
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know, it's like a total I

480
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,639
Speaker 2: don't know entirely about the building Victory Vista Apartments. But

481
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,119
Speaker 2: typically if you're doing this, is that a remodel is

482
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,200
Speaker 2: it a complete build? And I don't know how you

483
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 2: went in factor that in and during the cost thing,

484
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 2: it just seems like you're asking for trouble, taking the

485
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 2: tax money and then doubling or tripling the rent. If

486
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,360
Speaker 2: indeed that is the story, So we'll find out for sure,

487
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,080
Speaker 2: but that is a disturbing story, and especially when it's seniors,

488
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 2: it's just not a good look for you as a

489
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 2: business person for sure.

490
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:47,479
Speaker 4: Also, I have this story here.

491
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 2: I love a good prank, You love a good prank,

492
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 2: and it seems like we are in the post prank

493
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,439
Speaker 2: era because everyone takes a prank so freaking seriously. Now,

494
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,359
Speaker 2: I understand if there's something whether someone's in danger to

495
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,919
Speaker 2: do something that's you know, like the what's the one

496
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 2: teams are doing now that the you know, knock on

497
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 2: the door, you know, palm the door with your foot

498
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,199
Speaker 2: or something like that and people come out and now

499
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 2: people are getting shot over it. Now, you know, if

500
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 2: you're damaging the door, that's one thing, but you know,

501
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 2: knocking and running ding dong ditch basically is what it is.

502
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,400
Speaker 2: We used to do that back in the day, not today,

503
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 2: you know, people getting shot.

504
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 4: Over things like that.

505
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 2: We've taken a little bit more seriously and than it

506
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 2: should be, and we also take any prank. What's over

507
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 2: now is like some sort of act of youd think

508
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 2: they're eligibly be interned in Gitmo or something like that. Right,

509
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 2: but I saw this one a while that that is

510
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 2: definitely something I'm going to replicate. So this is out

511
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 2: I think in the Northeast, and they're digging up a

512
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's a concrete foundation or something concrete.

513
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 2: So they're breaking up concrete and they find a human

514
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 2: skull in the concrete. So everything on the job it stops.

515
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 2: I don't know how big a project it was, so

516
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 2: it looked like maybe some of the pictures it was

517
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 2: a some sort of yard remodel, something along those lines,

518
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 2: maybe doing an addition on a house. Didn't look like

519
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,879
Speaker 2: it was commercial. But nonetheless, and they find a skull,

520
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 2: a human skull in the concrete. Well that's gonna stop

521
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,879
Speaker 2: work right there. We're gonna shut this down. So they

522
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 2: come in and investigate a look at it. They pull

523
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 2: it out like okay, well, worker zooms. They send it

524
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 2: to the forensic laboratory. The corner's looking at it, they're

525
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:22,679
Speaker 2: doing sampling. They find out it was a fake skull. Now,

526
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 2: immediately I heard that one. That is brilliant. I mean,

527
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 2: you want to talk about a long play, like the

528
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:35,400
Speaker 2: longest play prank, because normally you put concrete down, it's

529
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 2: gonna be there for a minute, it's it's gonna be

530
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 2: there well forever. Or you know, if you're doing a dack,

531
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,919
Speaker 2: let's say, and you're putting you know, peers in a pielone,

532
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 2: whatever it is, you put that in and you go,

533
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 2: it's gonna be you know, twenty thirty years before somebody

534
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:52,640
Speaker 2: breaks us up. That is a long play on a gag.

535
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 2: But so from now, and I look, by the way

536
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,160
Speaker 2: I looked on Amazon, you can get a lifelike looking

537
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,680
Speaker 2: human skull made a plastic made a resin for about

538
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:07,440
Speaker 2: eighteen bucks. Now to me, that's a sound investment. There's

539
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 2: nothing better than a good prank, especially a prank where

540
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 2: it's such a long like I'll be dead by the

541
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 2: time somebody unearths this and goes, oh my god, it's

542
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 2: a human skull and then finds out it's a resin.

543
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 2: Maybe put a note inside the skull, like gotcha or

544
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 2: something like that, so somebody in the future will be

545
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 2: digging up. I don't know, not that I'm digging, you know,

546
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 2: putting a lot and saw a lot of concrete a

547
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 2: foreign slab and maybe put it below it or something

548
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 2: like that. But that would be unbelievable. I mean you

549
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 2: would if you're on the job right of your contractor

550
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 2: you're shaking your head, probably laughing, going that would be

551
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 2: an unbelievable plant. I wouldn't I won't be there to

552
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 2: see it, but just knowing that it is going to

553
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 2: pay dividends in the future to me worth the eighteen bucks,

554
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 2: worth the eighteen bucks every time out of more seriously,

555
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 2: I might have to get someone on the show next week.

556
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 2: I'm off Monday going up to Buffalo for the game,

557
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 2: but on Tuesday maybe. And I think I had George

558
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 2: laying out of Westchester on this. I was kind of

559
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 2: all for this.

560
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 4: Did you have a job when you're a kid?

561
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 7: I did.

562
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 2: My first job was in high school I think goes

563
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 2: like maybe sixteen years old, and it was one of

564
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,919
Speaker 2: those deals where you would, you know, go to school

565
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 2: for half the day and then go to work for

566
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 2: the other half. Because I'm not an academic guy. I

567
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 2: couldn't wait to get at school. And it was great

568
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 2: because you know, at that age you're making your own

569
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 2: money and it's the best time of your life. The

570
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 2: best job sometimes is the first job because you literally

571
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 2: are you know, you're living at home. Usually mom, you're

572
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 2: not really contributing anything. Mom and Dad are paying for food.

573
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 2: They're paying the mortgage on the house. It's probably not

574
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 2: your car, or maybe that is. You got to pay

575
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 2: for gas or insurance. Normally that money is pure profit

576
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 2: for you. So you know, you go nuts, you learn

577
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 2: how to manage money and that stuff. So the proposal

578
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 2: was here at the state level and this passed had

579
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 2: Senate Bill fifty that would allow teenagers to work until

580
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 2: nine pm on school nights, as long as they had

581
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 2: permission from their parents or legal guardians. And the law

582
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 2: the way laws right now, if you're fourteen and fifteen,

583
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,199
Speaker 2: you are prohibited working past seven pm during the school year,

584
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,360
Speaker 2: during during school weekends or whatever. It's fine, but seven

585
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 2: o'clock is the curfew for you. If you're a fourteen

586
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 2: or fifty year old. Workplace and they said, well, why

587
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 2: don't we make that nine o'clock? And you would think,

588
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 2: I don't know why dwine vetoed this other than saying

589
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 2: in the quote, is I believe it's unwise to bribe

590
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 2: for fourteen and fifty year olds to work on a

591
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 2: school night, that late at night. I see no compelling

592
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 2: reason to deviate from current law. Someone from the Children's

593
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 2: Defense Froent of Ohio said, but simply a children should

594
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 2: not have to be the solution to adult problems. What

595
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 2: the hell does that even mean? I know, the Fair

596
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 2: Labor Standards Act prohibits fourteen and fifteen year olds from

597
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 2: working before it's it's federal law before seven or after

598
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 2: seven in school year seven am seven pm. And there's

599
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 2: exemptions there too, annual revenues family businesses. But yeah, there's

600
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 2: another thing too. You know, you see a lot of kids,

601
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:59,360
Speaker 2: especially the restaurants, mom and pop restaurants, ethnic restaurants, where

602
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 2: the kids are there a table, you know, looking at

603
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 2: their iPad or coloring or doing homework or whatever it is,

604
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 2: and sometimes maybe taking the garbage out or doing some work,

605
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 2: probably long before they're fourteen or fifty. Farmers another great

606
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,880
Speaker 2: example of that. But that's different, Like, well, all right,

607
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 2: so this is just about urban kids, and I would

608
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 2: look at this going well, Number one is, and this

609
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 2: is where I deviate from Democrats and Republicans.

610
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 4: Is that I believe you, as a parent, you have

611
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 4: the right to screw up your kid.

612
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 2: Now I'm not talking about it, you know, and we've

613
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 2: criminalized some things that should be criminalized, quite honestly, Like

614
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 2: if you decide that you know your kid wants to

615
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 2: eventually it's and we have to have a minimum age

616
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 2: for this obviously, but you know, you decide that you

617
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 2: know your your son is probably wants to be a girl,

618
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 2: or vice versa, or that seems like a parnal decision

619
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 2: to me. Now I look at that and go, you know,

620
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 2: I'm glad I'm not in their shoes. It's gonna be

621
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 2: a difficult thing to navigate, but I think most parents

622
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 2: try to do brother kids and you know, having the

623
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 2: state take that away or make a decision there, to me,

624
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 2: that cuts to the core of what we're talking about here,

625
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 2: and that is the nanny state. You can't be against

626
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 2: the nanny state when it's someone else, when someone you

627
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 2: disagree doing it, and for it when it's something else.

628
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 4: It doesn't work that way. They just leaving the state

629
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 4: out of it.

630
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 2: Seems to work best parents always make not always, but

631
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 2: parents make bad decisions from time to time. Of course,

632
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 2: there are many parents who always make bad decisions. But

633
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 2: in this case, I look at it going, all right, Well,

634
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 2: if mom and dad are fine with your kid, with

635
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 2: your fourteen year old working till nine o'clock, I mean

636
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 2: it's not midnight, two am, the overnight shift. You're talking

637
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 2: about nine pm. And if you're going to do this

638
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 2: and go okay, fine, we're going to nanny state this,

639
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 2: then should we not outlaw any student activities past nine pm.

640
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 2: My nephew played sports and sometimes his practices didn't start

641
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 2: till eight or nine o'clock at night because that's the

642
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 2: only time they could get, you know, in case hockey

643
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 2: ring space. And there are times where you you have

644
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 2: that it's like well I can't or you know, you're

645
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 2: working on you're in the gym, working on your free

646
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,479
Speaker 2: throws till seven, eight, nine o'clock at night. I mean,

647
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 2: what if you in your driveway doing that, did the

648
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 2: police come and arrest you because your kid is at

649
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 2: nine oh one they're shooting free what thell's the difference

650
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Speaker 2: gets you're still participating sports and extracurriculars at that time.

651
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 2: If someone chooses to work some other and the other

652
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 2: somehow they're being exploited.

653
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Speaker 3: No, they're not.

654
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Speaker 2: If mom and dad will say it's okay for you

655
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Speaker 2: to work at fourteen or fifteen, that is none of

656
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Speaker 2: the business. But anyway, but mom and dad, I'm sorry.

657
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Speaker 2: We've got a time out of We got news on

658
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Speaker 2: the way in just minutes. We've got some political news

659
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 2: going on here too. And history is always the best

660
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Speaker 2: indicator of future behavior, especially are we in the new

661
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Speaker 2: age of McCarthyism. Guests to talk about that next year

662
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Speaker 2: in the scots Land Show seven hundred WWT Cincinnati, Do

663
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Speaker 2: you want.

664
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Speaker 1: To be an American idiot?

665
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Speaker 2: He's got a flow shore here on seven hundred WLW.

666
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 4: We have culture wars.

667
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Speaker 2: We have free speech protests on campus, we have free

668
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 2: speech safe spaces on campus. We have the erosion of

669
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 2: political decorum. If you look at it, it looks like

670
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 2: some I don't know, sometimes lawmakers and elected officials act

671
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 2: like some third world types where they're throwing shoes at

672
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 2: each other and flinging poo like monkeys. We have canceled culture,

673
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 2: all this stuff, and it's been bruined for quite some time.

674
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 2: The question is are we living in a new era

675
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 2: of McCarthy As a senator, Joe McCarthy goes back to

676
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 2: the nineteen fifties. It was called the Red Scare back then,

677
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 2: if you remember from school, and it was basically going

678
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 2: after communism, and there's a lot of feels a lot

679
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 2: of people believe that we're going through the second era

680
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 2: of this, although no one's really stood up to be

681
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Speaker 2: the new Joe McCarthy. Clay Risen writes about this in

682
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Speaker 2: Red Scare and joins the show now on seven hundred

683
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Speaker 2: WW and Clay, welcome to the show. And it is

684
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Speaker 2: an absolute fact that history almost always repeats itself, isn't

685
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Speaker 2: that true?

686
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Speaker 7: Yeah, thanks for having me, Scott. You know, when I

687
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 7: sat down to write this book, I really wanted to

688
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 7: write a book of history, and it is, but it

689
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 7: turns out I was also writing current events in a

690
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 7: way every day brings a new parallel.

691
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, some fifty plus sixty years later, we're

692
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 2: doing this again. So for those of them have forgotten

693
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 2: since grade school or college. Shoe McCarthy, a senator, from Wisconsin,

694
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Speaker 2: I believe, rose to national prominence in the nineteen fifties.

695
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Speaker 2: There are a lot of political circumstances that allowed that

696
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Speaker 2: to occur. You know, we had the Cold Wars post

697
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Speaker 2: World War Two. Tensions with the US and Soviet Union

698
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 2: escalated pretty rapidly immediately after the war. We're very afraid

699
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Speaker 2: of communism and nuclear annihilation and espionage, and there were

700
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Speaker 2: actual a bunch of real Soviet espionage cases that started

701
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Speaker 2: in the nineteen forties and continued in the fifties. China

702
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 2: fell to communism during that period of time as well,

703
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 2: and there's an opportunity there, right.

704
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Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely, I mean, I think one of the things

705
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 7: that people need to keep in mind is there was

706
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Speaker 7: a there there. I mean, as you point out, the

707
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Speaker 7: threat from the Soviet Union in the Cold War was real,

708
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 7: and the Communist Party in the United States were bad

709
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 7: actors for the most part. And uh, you know, there

710
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 7: really were Soviet spies in the US government, although most

711
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 7: of them were gone and had you know, turned or

712
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,719
Speaker 7: stopped their work at the time the Red Scare started.

713
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Speaker 7: But that's all true. But also it was an excuse

714
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 7: in you know four people like McCarthy. But there were

715
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 7: lots of others to take up this mantle, this this

716
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 7: this tool and use it for opportunism, uh, you know,

717
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 7: to advance their own careers, to go after political enemies,

718
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 7: to make up political enemies. A lot of the people

719
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Speaker 7: who suffered during the Red Scare had done nothing at

720
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Speaker 7: all and were simply tarnished by guilt by association.

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Speaker 3: And that ended.

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Speaker 2: I think there's a congressional hearing and national television and

723
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Speaker 2: McCarthy basically when I think ever for like Eisenhower called

724
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Speaker 2: a communist or something.

725
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Speaker 4: Like that's something crazy, like people like what.

726
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 3: Someone else?

727
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Speaker 7: No, No, it was well, Eisenhower was sort of behind

728
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 7: the scenes that he never liked McCarthy, and Eisenhower didn't

729
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 7: really buy into the Red Scare, although he uh, you know,

730
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 7: did his fair share of of red bating, but he

731
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 7: never thought that this was really a threat, and he

732
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 7: saw McCarthy as a real problem for the country, but

733
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Speaker 7: he was unwilling to really stand up and take him

734
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Speaker 7: on directly. He didn't think that was becoming of a president,

735
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Speaker 7: and so he sort of pulled strings to help arrange for,

736
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Speaker 7: like you said, a hearing where it was actually a

737
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Speaker 7: private sector lawyer who was hired. This is the this

738
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Speaker 7: involved the army. It's a long story, but its lawyer

739
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Speaker 7: Joe Welch, who himself kind of arranged almost an ambush.

740
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Speaker 7: He was quite the actor, quite the courtroom officionado, and

741
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Speaker 7: he arranged for a trap basically to make McCarthy uh

742
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:04,479
Speaker 7: lash out at a young staffer and he then said

743
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 7: have you no decency at Long Leaps? Or He had

744
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 7: this great speech that he unfinded on national television and

745
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 7: people got to see sort of the ugly side of

746
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 7: all this. Right, McCarthy was one thing in Prince People

747
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 7: saw him on TV. And you're right that in a

748
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 7: way not only undermined McCarthy, but undermined everything that the

749
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 7: Red scare, that that ardent anti communists were going for.

750
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Speaker 7: It really took a lot of wind out.

751
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Speaker 3: Of the sales.

752
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Speaker 7: But you know, yeah, it's a it's a very dramatic moment.

753
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Speaker 3: All right.

754
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Speaker 2: So that Clay, that's okay. So that's a history point

755
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Speaker 2: of worry histing lesson. I feel like I should have

756
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 2: a chalkboard out or something like that. But we were like,

757
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 2: oh yeah, okay, I remember this whole thing. That's the background.

758
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 2: So how does that translate to today.

759
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 7: Well, I think you know, a lot of the things

760
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 7: that we see popping up today are you follow the

761
00:35:56,280 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 7: same playbook, right, So, whether it's legislation that is still

762
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 7: on the book, or whether it's just uh, you know,

763
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 7: tactics that people in the administration or or in uh

764
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 7: Congress or just out in the media are are using

765
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Speaker 7: in terms of guilt by association, in terms of uh hyperbole,

766
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Speaker 7: and you know, so they are echoes.

767
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 3: But I also think that.

768
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 2: Give me an example of that. What do you talk specifically?

769
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 3: Well, okay, so I mean.

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Speaker 7: I'll give you an example. You know, when we had

771
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 7: the uh, the the scare around Haitian immigrants in Ohio, right,

772
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 7: and you know, they're they're eating dogs or cats or whatever.

773
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 7: And there was a point where, uh, you know, there's

774
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 7: a point where Jade Vance as the time a senator said, uh,

775
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 7: you know, it doesn't matter whether what you know. He said,

776
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 7: I I believe this. I'm saying that some people gave

777
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 7: him proof that it wasn't true. He said, what doesn't

778
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 7: matter whether what I say is true or not. That's

779
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 7: up to you the media, to prove me wrong. And

780
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 7: essentially he was saying exactly what McCarthy was doing, was saying,

781
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 7: you know, fifty seventy years ago, saying, I'm going to

782
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 7: throw a bunch of stuff out there, this incendiary and

783
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 7: see what sticks. And if it doesn't, I'll say more

784
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:19,879
Speaker 7: stuff and and it's up to you public politicians, whatever

785
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 7: to to figure it out. But you know, implicit in

786
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 7: that is I'm gonna say whatever I want, truth be damned,

787
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 7: and we'll see where it goes. Right, And that to me,

788
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 7: one hundred percent McCarthy playbook it is.

789
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 2: But I'll push back a little there living in Ohio

790
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,280
Speaker 2: and we're talking about town that is, you know, literally

791
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 2: maybe thirty minutes from where I live right now, and

792
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 2: I I agree with you up to that point. It

793
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,439
Speaker 2: certainly what you're saying is wait, what they're eating dogs?

794
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 2: And what are we talking about over here? And it

795
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 2: became a it became a joke, became a meme on

796
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 2: social media. But that kind of like I'm gonna come here,

797
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 2: I'm gonna come to Ohio, We're gonna and it never

798
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 2: happened number materialize because you know, they're on something else.

799
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:05,280
Speaker 2: Is typical and our short attention span theater. But McCarthy

800
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 2: would continue to bang the drum over the people over

801
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 2: particular people he thought he had agendiicans in conjunction, by

802
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 2: the way, with Jay Edgar Hoover, where the FBI had

803
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 2: total autonomy to do whatever the hell they want. I mean,

804
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 2: you want to talk about an era of time in

805
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 2: the nineteen forties, fifties, sixties, and even in the seventies

806
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 2: where the FBI and or Hoover had incredible power, every

807
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 2: unconstitutional power to investigate and bill dossiers and use that.

808
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 2: Hoover used that as like a personal weapon against people

809
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 2: he didn't like or for his allies as well. Now,

810
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 2: I will say, similar to the Haitian argument, we're seeing

811
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 2: that play out with Somalis in the attack on the

812
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 2: soldiers in DC.

813
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 4: But it's too early to tell.

814
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 2: If you if the FBI's involved, they start making this

815
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 2: huge case against the month, I think that would be

816
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 2: a valid point, But I don't think the Springfield one works.

817
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 7: No, that's true, And you know it's interesting to think about, well,

818
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 7: what was worse than what's worse now? And I think, yes,

819
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 7: the FBI. We'll see, the FBI at the moment is

820
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 7: much more constrained than it was back then, and we

821
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:15,280
Speaker 7: don't have a Hoover, who has really unchecked power.

822
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Speaker 3: That's great.

823
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 7: There are a lot of things that come out of

824
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 7: the Red Scare that I want to say are sort

825
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,879
Speaker 7: of good in the sense that we had a better

826
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 7: awareness of the risks to civil liberty and you know,

827
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Speaker 7: the need for strong defense of freedom, speech, freedom of association.

828
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:39,399
Speaker 7: And you know, so back then you didn't have organizations

829
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 7: that would stand up on behalf of people who were targeted.

830
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 7: They were basically on their own. And it's one of

831
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 7: the really harrowing parts of that story. Today, someone gets

832
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 7: targeted by the media or by Ice or by Justice Department,

833
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 7: and there are armies of lawyers who will stand up

834
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 7: for them, and so that good, and we'll see how

835
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 7: that plays out. But at the very least, you say, well,

836
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Speaker 7: the annibodies from the Red Scare are also activated. And

837
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Speaker 7: I think that's an important metaphor to keep in mind.

838
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Speaker 2: Got Clay Risen is here books called Red Scare, and

839
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 2: it starts with McCarthyism in the nineteen fifties, of course,

840
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 2: and post World War two anxiety and the Soviets and

841
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 2: the fall of China, the communism, the Big Red Scare,

842
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 2: and how Senator McCarthy of Wisconsin used that to go

843
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 2: after people he had an agenda against, and it got

844
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 2: way out of control but ended in short period and

845
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 2: were as premises we're going to do. We're kind of

846
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 2: doing that again right now in this era when it

847
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 2: comes to McCarthyism and blacklists and stuff like that. So okay,

848
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 2: so this is all driven by the fear of and

849
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 2: it came on rather quickly because we had lot of

850
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 2: people coming back to americ who fought in the war

851
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 2: World War two, and now you're seeing our ally turn

852
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 2: into our enemy. Kind of similar today to what we're saying.

853
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 2: Maybe kind of the inverse is true with Russia under

854
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 2: Donald Trump, But what's the communist threat? So it's communism

855
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 2: isn't really the threat because okay, we're trying to repair

856
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 2: things with Russia. The greater enemy, and I agree with

857
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 2: Trump on this one, is China. They're in for the

858
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 2: long play and you look at all the from intellectual

859
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 2: property theft and everything else they're doing. It's a long,

860
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,879
Speaker 2: slow boil for China. They really are the greater threat,

861
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 2: I think to our way of life than Russia is

862
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 2: because Russia can come along. You may disagree with that,

863
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 2: but we're not battling communism anymore. It might be socialism.

864
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:30,320
Speaker 2: I'm pretty soon about that recent elections, but it's certainly

865
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Speaker 2: not communism.

866
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 4: What are we fighting?

867
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think today and again, you know, no Mark

868
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 7: Twain said, you know, history doesn't repeat itself, but it

869
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 7: does rhyme, right, Yeah, and so things are similar, but

870
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 7: there are important differences. You always want to keep that

871
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 7: in mind. So, you know, today, I think it's less

872
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 7: about an X in terms of the way people are

873
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 7: constructing the quote unquote threat. It's less about a foreign

874
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 7: threat another country. It's more about a you know what

875
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,919
Speaker 7: Trump calls, you know, the radical left, the dei left,

876
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:07,919
Speaker 7: the woke left, all of this, and it's a fairly expansive,

877
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,479
Speaker 7: vague term, right, So I'm kind of anybody who's sort

878
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 7: of Trump's enemy, I think would end up falling under this.

879
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 7: And and it's hard to put a finger on what

880
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 7: that is. But back in the forties and fifties, what

881
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 7: was communism? People didn't actually know on a nay to

882
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 7: day basis what it meant to be a communist, And

883
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 7: so if you were a civil rights advocate, you would

884
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 7: be called a communist, right right, So so all of

885
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 7: these are just terms that are useful to.

886
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:35,240
Speaker 3: Go after enemies.

887
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 7: So that's why that's why I think we're seeing in

888
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 7: terms of the parallels. And you know, you see that

889
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 7: in education and the way that we talk about education

890
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 7: today and the threat of DEI and woke schools and whatnot,

891
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 7: and that's that's that's very similar to the way people

892
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 7: talked about communist teachers and radical left teachers in the

893
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 7: teen forties and fifties.

894
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 2: Okay, but let me wrap clay. But the different is

895
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 2: we had a foreign adversary then. It was us against them.

896
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 2: It was good versus evil. It was the United States

897
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 2: against Russia and atomic warfare and all this stuff. We're

898
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 2: talking about internal fighting and against you know, the Fall

899
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,919
Speaker 2: of Rome. We can get back to that too. Let's

900
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 2: face it was a real at the time. You know

901
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 2: who started this. Actually, we wouldn't have this opposition, and

902
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 2: I agree with it. It's absurd to times, the Haitian

903
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 2: immigrant things and some of the other stuff. It's just

904
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 2: absurd as what it is. But the reaction is to

905
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 2: what liberals did years ago. I mean, it seems like

906
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 2: it's a generation ago, but we had cancel culture, right,

907
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 2: and you know, you transgress these loosely defined and ever

908
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 2: changing line. No one knows who the line is anymore.

909
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 2: And what I said when I was fifteen years old

910
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,879
Speaker 2: on Twitter now comes back to haunt me when I'm

911
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 2: you know, twenty seven years old or something like that.

912
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 2: Dave Chappelle gets killed and canceled because he makes remarks

913
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 2: about transsexuals, and that was only four years ago. Kevin Heart,

914
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 2: same thing, what be Goldberg? And long time ago, back

915
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 2: in the old days, Senator Al Franken had a picture

916
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 2: of him looking kind of woman. He got thrown out

917
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 2: of Senate by liberals. So and then you know, this

918
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 2: started to take root in schools, and so this is

919
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 2: the reaction to the I guess what you could call

920
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 2: is the overreactive left.

921
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 7: Well, I mean, you're right, And again going back to

922
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 7: what we talked about with communism, there was a there

923
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 7: there right in the sense that not just there was

924
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 7: a Communist threat for not just the Soviet Union as

925
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 7: a military threat, but domestically, you know, we had there

926
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 7: were spy the Communist Party took money from Russia and

927
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 7: did its bidding in the United States, and so you know,

928
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 7: were those threats not really I mean, Rosenberg's are a

929
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 7: special case, but generally these five are not very effective.

930
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 7: You know, it was blown out of a proportion, and

931
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 7: I think that that you have that today too. Yeah,

932
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 7: And that's my perspective, right, is that, yes, absolutely, there

933
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:59,760
Speaker 7: are lots of excesses and criticisms about the I culture,

934
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,720
Speaker 7: cancel culture or whatever you know that I know exactly,

935
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 7: and I'm sympathetic to that. But what we're seeing now

936
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 7: I think is a blowing out of proportion and a

937
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 7: using of that as an excuse to go after people

938
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 7: who an ideas that have nothing to do with that,

939
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 7: you know. So, so I think we're seeing a rollback

940
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 7: of civil rights protections that have been around since the

941
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:26,760
Speaker 7: fifties and sixties under the pretense that those are suddenly

942
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 7: now part of woe culture and they're not.

943
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 4: But I think it's a fair and I think it's

944
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 4: a fair allegation.

945
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 2: I think mainly as we have government, and this is true,

946
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,320
Speaker 2: completely have lost touch with the electorate, you know, and

947
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 2: we look at how Joe Biden, Kamala Harris lost and

948
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 2: that is the humors that they exhibit. Exhibitors, well, people

949
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 2: that listen to my show, people live in our area, Ohio, Kentucky, Indiana.

950
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 2: It's like, well, we're in trouble here economically speaking, or

951
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,320
Speaker 2: maxim on our credit cards. I can't find a house.

952
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 2: I can't and we're worried about this, this feel good,

953
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 2: these field good policies that led to the Trump movement

954
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 2: for the second time, going okay, we're gonna go back

955
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,479
Speaker 2: to the other guy now, like rats on a sinking ship.

956
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 2: We just keep jumping back and forth. I don't know

957
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 2: if you're going to see a two term president anytime soon.

958
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 2: Quite honestly, we'll see tech Trump. You know, technically Trump is,

959
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 2: but it's like, okay, of lesser evil you're in and

960
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 2: that's kind of and it feels like me, that's what

961
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 2: like democrats are doing now, going well, okay, well, way

962
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 2: for Trump to mess up, and then we'll get the

963
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 2: NOD and we'll come and screw it up and we'll

964
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 2: just play back and forth. And meanwhile the rest of

965
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 2: the country sinking, I mean stock markets and he falling

966
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,280
Speaker 2: apart right now. It's like, we need some damn leadership,

967
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 2: is what we need.

968
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 3: Clay, Yeah, no, I agree.

969
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 7: And it reminds me a little bit of you know,

970
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 7: I read a book about you back in the day

971
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 7: and it reminds me a little bit of the late

972
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 7: nineteenth century, when you know, we went we had a

973
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 7: bunch of one term presidents now for a variety of reasons,

974
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 7: but we did, and the full actorate was all over

975
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 7: the place, and we had some real economic challenges. And

976
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 7: Theodore Roosevelt comes along and you know, represented new type

977
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,919
Speaker 7: of leadership and you know, had his enemies, of course,

978
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 7: but was also immensely popular because he understood what the

979
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,399
Speaker 7: country needed. He understood the country needed a different type

980
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 7: of leadership. And you know, I think really reset what

981
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 7: it meant to be president, what it meant to have

982
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 7: a federal government. I mean, I think, you know, I'm

983
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 7: a partisan and biased, but I think Roosevelt was one

984
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 7: of our you know, top five best presidents ever. And

985
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 7: that's why, because understood America needed good leadership. And so

986
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 7: I think something, you know, I don't want to say

987
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 7: exactly what this would look like, but we need a

988
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 7: new Theatore Roosevelt. Now, you know, he needs someone who

989
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 7: can come along and say, look, I understand what I

990
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 7: understand what you're saying. I understand what you're saying. There's

991
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 7: a through line and there's a solution but it's going

992
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 7: to be different from what we've done in the past.

993
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 7: And you know, I think we're going to keep looking

994
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 7: for that person until until they come along.

995
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 4: And I don't know, I couldn't agree more.

996
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 2: Teddy Roosevelt my all time favorite president because he was

997
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 2: he's the guy that stepped and said, look, you know

998
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 2: what we can today get killed for, you know, protecting

999
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 2: national parks and some of the what liberals do.

1000
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 7: He did.

1001
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 2: But you know he'd come in and say, look, he

1002
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:04,760
Speaker 2: told he said, listen, you know, we want business succeed

1003
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 2: and thrive, but we're going to crack down on the

1004
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 2: barons basically and make where the rules are going to

1005
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 2: play equal to everybody, which is kind of what we

1006
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 2: need in America. Boom under under tr And not only that,

1007
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 2: he's a tough son of a bitch because he got

1008
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 2: shot and still gave a speech said here, hold my bear,

1009
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:19,240
Speaker 2: I'm gonna talk for a couple hours.

1010
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 7: So that was.

1011
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 2: Fantastic, one of the greatest moments in American history. That's

1012
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 2: a real tough guy right there. Hey, yeah, I don't

1013
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:26,879
Speaker 2: have to tell you about the Battle of you right

1014
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,720
Speaker 2: up San Juan Hill and everything else. Clay Rising scread

1015
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 2: Scare blacklist, McCarthy's in the making of modern America. History

1016
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 2: is repeating itself. I kind of agree with that. Clay

1017
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,919
Speaker 2: all the best, thanks for joining the show. All I think, Yeah,

1018
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 2: you know, we had the de EI nonsense come in

1019
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 2: and went way overboard. Inclusion is fine, but the extremes

1020
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 2: that they went and then the way they absolutely persecuted

1021
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 2: people who went against the tide of problematic. But now

1022
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 2: we're kind of seeing that somewhat with Republicans and conservatives

1023
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 2: that you know, used to be the liberal snowflakes and

1024
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 2: the snowflag. I know there's a lot of snowflaky stuff

1025
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 2: that conservatives are doing now. So I think it's the

1026
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 2: you know, the people in charge me a change, but

1027
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 2: that same ideology is there, and I don't know, I

1028
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 2: think that's necessarily a good thing.

1029
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 3: Right.

1030
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 2: We got a news update run a little bit late.

1031
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 2: I's always hear Scotslane back in about seven here right

1032
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 2: after a traffic and weather update seven hundred WLW Scott

1033
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 2: Flung Show on seven hundred w LW Thursday morning, we

1034
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,280
Speaker 2: have Sanjay Shiva Carimani in. He's an emergency medicine position

1035
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 2: here in Cincinnati, at Dine Well Dock and we do

1036
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 2: the same went on Thursdays. Now we're healthing, food and

1037
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 2: fitness kind of all come together and collide in this

1038
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 2: time of year. Your challenge because you're getting really really

1039
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 2: good food necessarily good for you. Uh, probably not maybe

1040
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 2: getting as much exercise, but if you do, it's gonna

1041
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 2: involve shoveling the white stuff on top of icy sidewalks

1042
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 2: and streets. So what could possibly go wrong with that equation? Sanja?

1043
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 4: How you been brother?

1044
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:48,359
Speaker 7: Good?

1045
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: How are you?

1046
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,720
Speaker 2: I'm doing fine. I shovel snow. I haven't fallen broken

1047
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 2: a hip or anything along those lines. But there's always

1048
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 2: next snowfall. There's always next time.

1049
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 8: Yeah, we can only hope, right, I'm just kidding. I mean,

1050
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 8: it is a it is an interesting time in the

1051
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 8: emergency department when it comes to the winter weather.

1052
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 4: Do you see a lot of hypothermia cases?

1053
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 8: You know, we don't see that many, fortunately. I think

1054
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:13,879
Speaker 8: a lot of people know what to do. I think,

1055
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 8: you know, we do see some every year, though, and

1056
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,879
Speaker 8: that's it's a it's a problem when it happened.

1057
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 3: You see.

1058
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we're not to that bitter part. That'll

1059
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 2: be January Februey, Right, it would take a lot to

1060
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 2: do that right now. Not necessarily, it's not true, but

1061
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 2: you tend to see it. Do you not see it

1062
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 2: more in older people younger people, doesn't matter a little.

1063
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 3: Bit of both.

1064
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 8: It's it's definitely an older they're more at risk. Could

1065
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 8: just have a harder time kind of keeping the body

1066
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 8: temperature up, and you know, their skin is thinner and

1067
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 8: so they're exposed to the elements more. But you know,

1068
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:49,359
Speaker 8: it's not just necessarily January or February. I mean even

1069
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 8: at this time, because of the sudden drops in temperature,

1070
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 8: people get you know, caught by surprise, and then they

1071
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 8: can even fall this in the hypothermia. Now, so it's

1072
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 8: always good to be vigilant and dress some layers. There's

1073
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 8: our always told us to do and we never did.

1074
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1075
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 2: Well it was like me, I realized, you know, because

1076
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 2: we had just moved and I have I think I

1077
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:08,439
Speaker 2: had my winter coat still in the box.

1078
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:09,720
Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't know where any of the stuff

1079
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 4: I got a very who I have been a patient.

1080
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 2: At them, but I know, like the first one of

1081
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 2: the first indications would be disorientation.

1082
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 8: Right, It's well, I mean disorientation will actually come fairly late.

1083
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 8: And the reason is our body tries to protect our brain,

1084
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 8: and so you know, it'll do everything it can to

1085
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 8: keep your brain intact. And then you know, by the

1086
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 8: time you get to disorientation, you're you're pretty far down

1087
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 8: the way, and so before you get there, you really

1088
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 8: want to, you know, focus on what else could be

1089
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 8: going on, Like, am I one? You know it sounds simple,

1090
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 8: but am I feeling cold? And if you're feeling cold,

1091
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 8: find ways to warm up, whether it be going inside

1092
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 8: if you can, or get another layer, but certainly removing

1093
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 8: yourself from the elements that that first sign of, you know,

1094
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:53,919
Speaker 8: even just feeling a little colder than normal, or maybe

1095
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,399
Speaker 8: your fingertips are or facet are getting numb, and that's

1096
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 8: the it's kind of one of the first warning signs

1097
00:51:58,600 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 8: before your brain starts to go.

1098
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 2: Say that's just me, though, I wait until I'm disoriented

1099
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 2: til I go well, I probably should go in.

1100
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 8: And that's what keeps me in business, thank you very much.

1101
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,720
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, you know, I'm used to the call. It's fine.

1102
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 2: Does your body over time do you acclimate to the

1103
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:19,800
Speaker 2: climate in which you reside. Let's say I don't know,

1104
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 2: if you live in northern Canada, let's say, and then

1105
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,320
Speaker 2: all of a sudden you move to Florida, are you

1106
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 2: gonna know that?

1107
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 4: And vice versa? Does it take it? Does your body acclimate?

1108
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 8: Your body does acclimate somewhat. I mean, but you also

1109
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 8: you're in your mind acclimates a little too, and you

1110
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 8: just know what to expect. I think, you know, living

1111
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 8: in a place where we were just what seventy degrees

1112
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 8: just a few weeks ago, right, we get thrown off

1113
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 8: a little bit, and it's harder to be prepared.

1114
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 3: Kind of year round.

1115
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 8: And you know, when you're always in the cold, you

1116
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 8: know what to expect, You're you're ready for it. And

1117
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 8: so we are at risk here in Cincinnati of being

1118
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 8: caught eye surprise and you know, ending up in the

1119
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 8: emergency department.

1120
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, is it more dangerous? Is he a dangerous and cold?

1121
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1122
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 8: They both have their risk. I think heat is harder,

1123
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 8: you know, it's oftentimes harder to get away from the heat.

1124
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 8: It's easier to layer up oftentimes. We definitely, I definitely

1125
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 8: in my career have seen much more heat exhaustion, heat

1126
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 8: stroke than I have. Cold weather injuries and cold you know,

1127
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 8: the cold exposure problem.

1128
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,399
Speaker 2: Right, But I would say because you're you know, grew

1129
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 2: up in Boston, if that would probably reverse if you're in.

1130
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 3: Massachusetts oftentimes, I mean, but.

1131
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 4: Well, we lost you, is there me from Boston?

1132
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:37,319
Speaker 8: You know, we're not used to it. And when you're

1133
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 8: not used to something, that's when you're caughty surprised. It's

1134
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:40,800
Speaker 8: best to be prepared.

1135
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 2: Now, it makes sense. How cold is too cold to

1136
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 2: exercise out. I'm gonna exclude shoveling and that kind. We'll

1137
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 2: get to that in a second. But like, you know,

1138
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 2: you'll see people out there while I'm still training for

1139
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 2: the Flying Pig coming up in the spring, and I'm

1140
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:54,319
Speaker 2: gonna run when it's you know, twenty degrees blows air.

1141
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 2: Is that that smart?

1142
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1143
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 8: It's a tough one because it does vary by age conditioning.

1144
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 8: You know, if you're if you are, you know, a

1145
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 8: pretty healthy person who runs a lot. Is this weather optimal?

1146
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 1: No?

1147
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 3: Is it a good idea? Probably? Still not?

1148
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 8: But really you know, they've they've actually done some studies

1149
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 8: on blood pressure alone, and so like your blood pressure

1150
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 8: will raise when you're outside in cold weather, even just

1151
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 8: that fifty five degrees, So fifty five degrees outside your

1152
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 8: blood pressure will start to rise after about fifteen minutes

1153
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 8: of being in that kind of weather. So now that

1154
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 8: we're in the thirties, you can imagine your blood pressure

1155
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:32,359
Speaker 8: will go much higher, much quicker, and so there are

1156
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 8: a lot of factors there. But at the end of

1157
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 8: the day, it's about being smart.

1158
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 7: You know.

1159
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 8: Do I exercise outside in this no other than shoveling.

1160
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 8: I'd rather be inside of my gym and be in

1161
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 8: the comfort of that and staying warm.

1162
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 2: I yeah, when I was in my twenties, was running

1163
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,320
Speaker 2: outside in pretty cold weather and wound up developing bronx

1164
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:51,839
Speaker 2: of your bonchitis and the like. I don't know if

1165
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:54,360
Speaker 2: directly from the running, but it screwed my lungs up

1166
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 2: for a while. So I'm pretty aware of being out

1167
00:54:57,719 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 2: in you know, getting my blood pressure and heart rate

1168
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 2: rate when it's was very cold out.

1169
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:05,399
Speaker 8: Yeah, And so you know, it's partly that getting cold

1170
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 8: air into your lungs will make them go into spasm

1171
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 8: a little bit. So if you have asthma, COPD and phasma,

1172
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 8: you really want to be careful out there. But in general,

1173
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 8: just being exposed to the cold, you know, like our

1174
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 8: mom would always say, you know you'll get you'll catch

1175
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 8: a cold, and I'd be like, Mom, I went to

1176
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:22,479
Speaker 8: med school, Like that's not true. It's kind of true.

1177
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 3: So Mom was right.

1178
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 8: The thing being is that the cold will impact your

1179
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:32,839
Speaker 8: immune system and that makes you more susceptible to getting cold.

1180
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 8: So you know, if you won't get a virus from

1181
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 8: the outsides, but your immune system will be damaged by

1182
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:39,879
Speaker 8: the exposure to cold.

1183
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 3: So you also want to be careful with that.

1184
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 2: So if you're cold and your body's fighting it, and

1185
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 2: then you go and you're exposed to infection, then you're

1186
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 2: more likely to get is what you're.

1187
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 3: Saying exactly exactly right?

1188
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 2: Because immune system is because my mom would when she

1189
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 2: was alive, she there'd be like times I went out

1190
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:57,919
Speaker 2: with a hat the previous winner and the following winner.

1191
00:55:57,960 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 2: I get sick and she says, because you went out

1192
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 2: last year a hat on. Yeah, okay, it's a twelve

1193
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 2: month carryover the sickness. She just holds that. She would

1194
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 2: hold that card and play it against you. Is it

1195
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 2: true we see a lot more heart attacks in the

1196
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 2: winter because people out there shoveling. Is or is that

1197
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 2: more of a lifetial?

1198
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 3: It's actually true and the reason is a couple folds.

1199
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 8: So what being outside in the cold does in the

1200
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 8: first place is actually makes your blood vessels shrink down.

1201
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 8: It makes them tight, which increases your blood pressure. So

1202
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 8: already you're setting yourself up for something, and then snow

1203
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:35,800
Speaker 8: shoveling is actually one of the hardest activities we can do.

1204
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:38,320
Speaker 8: Sometimes it doesn't feel like much, but you put a

1205
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 8: lot of strain on your heart. Within two minutes you're

1206
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 8: at you know, like eighty five percent of your maximal

1207
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 8: heart rate, and so it's heavy exercise. You're out in

1208
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,359
Speaker 8: the cold, and then the cold interestingly, and we all

1209
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,360
Speaker 8: get into the details, but it makes your blood thicker,

1210
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 8: for lack of a better term, and so you're more

1211
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:59,240
Speaker 8: likely to have heart attacks when it's cold outside, especially

1212
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,439
Speaker 8: in the cold snow like four days or so, which

1213
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 8: is one of a British studies showed that the heart

1214
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 8: attacks and strokes go up after a four day cold snap.

1215
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 8: And that's that's the reason why.

1216
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 2: It's because that extra strength doesn't seem like much of

1217
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 2: my wad that nice light, fluffy snow this week went

1218
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 2: out and shoveled the driveway and you know, it didn't

1219
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 2: feel like now they're really heavy stuff. It's a different

1220
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 2: story maybe or maybe you get a snowblower. I guess

1221
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 2: if you're not used to exercise, you know, that's the

1222
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 2: thing you got all of a sudden, you throw yourself into,

1223
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,439
Speaker 2: you know, the mechanics of lifting, and your body's fighting

1224
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 2: the cold.

1225
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 4: You definitely could set yourself up for troubler exactly.

1226
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 8: Like it's a kind of silent exercise, and I mean

1227
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 8: I love it for that reason, being barely in shape myself.

1228
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 8: Is that the snow can actually add up pretty quickly.

1229
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 8: Seven to eight you know inches, is like twenty five

1230
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 8: pounds each time you shovel. And so you're doing that work,

1231
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 8: You're twisting around, you're using your core, you're using your legs,

1232
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 8: and it ends up being a pretty big strain on

1233
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 8: the body. I think you burn more than five hundred

1234
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 8: calories an hour of shoveling, and so it's a pretty

1235
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 8: significant exercise, we're all. But it does lead to that strain.

1236
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,439
Speaker 8: So it's got it's good and positives, but it's also

1237
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 8: got its cons for that reason too.

1238
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, interesting son Jay Ashaver comandi on the show.

1239
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 2: He's our resident physician and health expert, health and fitness.

1240
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 2: We talked that and died and everything on Thursday mornings

1241
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 2: in the Scott Slone Show. Here on seven hundred WLW,

1242
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 2: we're talking about the cold weather because welcome to Cincinnati.

1243
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 2: It's seventy one day. The next day it's snow. When

1244
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 2: we got five and a half inches of snow. That's

1245
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 2: how we roll here. Next thing, No, you'll blink your

1246
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 2: eyes will be opening day and summer again, the two

1247
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 2: seasons of six.

1248
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 4: We're always on our toes, all right.

1249
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 2: So y'are shoveling? When should you stop? If you're feeling

1250
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 2: a little faint, you don't want to kind of plow

1251
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 2: through that?

1252
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 4: What typically? What is your when's your body telling you stop?

1253
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1254
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 8: The best best treatment is actually a first prevention. So

1255
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:48,439
Speaker 8: you know, when you're shoveling again, it is a pretty

1256
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 8: big strain on your body, so stop before the symptoms

1257
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 8: even start. Ten every ten to fifteen minutes, take a

1258
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 8: little rest. And that's how That's how I like to

1259
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 8: do most things in Lifeblone. You know, I'm on a

1260
00:58:58,040 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 8: hike and I'll just stare at a tree for a

1261
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 8: while and people are like, are you resting? I'm like, no,

1262
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 8: I'm enjoying nature, Yes, exactly, you want to really enjoy

1263
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 8: the experience. But yeah, every ten to fifteen minutes, take

1264
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 8: a break, take a breather, go inside, you know, warm

1265
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 8: up if you need to, or just sit there and

1266
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 8: admire the work you're doing. But start with prevention first,

1267
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 8: and then you know, look out for signs if you know,

1268
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 8: even if you're having a little you know, people think

1269
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 8: heart attacks feel like chest pain and if they're not

1270
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 8: like dying in agony, that they're okay. And and the

1271
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 8: truth is one, heart attacks present in a lot of ways,

1272
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 8: but the most common reason heart attacks present, especially in males,

1273
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 8: is pressure in the chest, not pain. And so they'll

1274
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 8: be like, oh, yeah, it's not much. It's just a

1275
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 8: little bit of tightness in my chest. That's not my heart.

1276
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 8: And the truth is that more likely is is your heart.

1277
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 8: So if you start having any chest pressure, trouble breathing, nausea, sweat,

1278
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 8: anything like that, it's time to definitely go inside and

1279
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 8: not get checked out.

1280
00:59:58,240 --> 00:59:58,919
Speaker 4: I'll tell it's scarce.

1281
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 2: You know, if you're like your work out, you're truly

1282
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 2: trying to or getting back into it at high recent

1283
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 2: was you push it? You know, and get your heart

1284
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 2: right up pretty high, you start to have a little

1285
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 2: bit of arrhythmia going on there.

1286
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 4: That's always pretty scary.

1287
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, even just a few extra beats that

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Speaker 8: maybe your heart's signaling to you that it's time to

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Speaker 8: slow down. That could be getting you know, too much exercise,

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Speaker 8: or also pumping against blood pressure that's too high. So

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Speaker 8: there's a lot of things that could be causing that.

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Speaker 8: But once you feel any way different, it's a good

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Speaker 8: time to be in tuned with your body. If you

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Speaker 8: feel different, it's time to just shut it down, you know,

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Speaker 8: take stock and decide.

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Speaker 3: Where to go from there.

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Speaker 2: All right, we have not yet talked about what happens

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Speaker 2: when foot meets ice and you usually see a lot

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Speaker 2: of wrist, knee, hip injuries. Is that what we're talking about.

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Speaker 8: You nailed most of them. It's rist and hip, it's

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Speaker 8: not head. The thing is that, you know, I worked

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Speaker 8: on the morning of the storm, and people don't come

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Speaker 8: in then because they know it's snowing. They're going to

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Speaker 8: stay inside and if they go outside, they're going to

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Speaker 8: be careful. The problem is actually the day after. That's

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Speaker 8: what I've experienced in my career, and that's what we're

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Speaker 8: experiencing right now. Mornings after you know, there's black ice

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Speaker 8: that's formed because it's kind of melted through the day

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Speaker 8: and then that freezes overnight, and that's when people are slipping, falling,

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Speaker 8: going boom and coming to me with hips are the

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Speaker 8: are the biggest victim, and then you know your ankles

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Speaker 8: and heads as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's that's pretty scary. You fall down, it's

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Speaker 2: always okay, Yeah, I think I'm okay the next day

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Speaker 2: to three to five days, depending on how of you are.

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Speaker 4: It's always like, oh my god, I feel terrible.

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Speaker 2: I to buy a bus. When should I get medical

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Speaker 2: help if I after an injury? I mean when when

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Speaker 2: do I know?

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Speaker 1: When?

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Speaker 4: When do I come see you?

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Speaker 8: You know, it definitely differs on your your chromobility, So

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Speaker 8: what other medical conditions you have. You know, if you're

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Speaker 8: hitting your head and you're un blooded, or you're coming

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Speaker 8: straight to me, you know, anything that prevents you from

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Speaker 8: putting weight on a leg is definitely a reason to

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Speaker 8: come in. But if things are lasting longer than you

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Speaker 8: would expect them to, or if you have any concerns,

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Speaker 8: it's either time to call your doctor or just come

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Speaker 8: in and get checked. We you know, we can get

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Speaker 8: you in and out pretty quick, especially if you're concerned

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Speaker 8: about a broken bone.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I generally you kind of know because you can't move

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Speaker 2: it that my swelling is different. But you know, broken

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Speaker 2: bone a little bit, a little bit different.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: Of course, if you know, if you have a compound fracture,

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Speaker 2: it's sticking through your skin, AT's a that's a different story.

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Speaker 2: Entiro that you'd be pretty stupid to sit there and go,

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Speaker 2: I think it'll be all right, this will be okay.

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Speaker 2: I just yeah, second man, I'll be good.

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Speaker 8: It's pretty little index on it.

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Speaker 3: You'll be fun.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's all.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we're just not used to the ice and the

1348
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Speaker 4: snow and stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: And as you get older too, it's awfully, it's more

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Speaker 2: more difficult to keep your balance and you're more probably

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Speaker 2: more likely to get injured.

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Speaker 4: You just don't recover.

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Speaker 2: There's nothing like you know, you watch a a four

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Speaker 2: year old on the ice, they fall down, they cry

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Speaker 2: for thirty seconds.

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Speaker 4: There, fine, you do that.

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Speaker 2: You're on the sideline for two weeks exactly.

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Speaker 8: And actually you underline one of my main things is

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Speaker 8: why I you know, try to stay fit which is

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Speaker 8: keeping balance and so that that equates to strength training

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Speaker 8: and the legs that also equates to like balance training

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Speaker 8: with yoga. But all of those things prevent you from

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Speaker 8: falling or if you fall, helping you get back up

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Speaker 8: because as we know in the elderly, falls are one

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Speaker 8: of the main reasons for eventual death unfortunately. And so

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Speaker 8: you know, staying upright as much as you can, doing

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Speaker 8: the things that build your legs up and your balance

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Speaker 8: up could be some of the most important things to

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Speaker 8: you know, extend your life spam you know.

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Speaker 2: In additionally, our physician here on the show also you

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Speaker 2: are a health guy and a gym on a gym,

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Speaker 2: and I think it's interesting. I in some of my

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Speaker 2: ill last few years, I've seen more more people do this,

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Speaker 2: and it'd be the test to see just how flexible

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Speaker 2: you are at any age. And that is getting up

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Speaker 2: off the floor without using your hands.

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Speaker 4: Can explain that.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, so you know that equates to those things we

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Speaker 8: were just talking about, which is the legs or the

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Speaker 8: lower extremities, what their strength is like, but also your balance.

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Speaker 3: So you need both of.

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Speaker 8: Those and a strong core to be able to get

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Speaker 8: off the ground. So you know, I was actually watching

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Speaker 8: Did you watch that Blue Zones special on Netflix?

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Speaker 4: I did not know?

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Speaker 3: Was that? Okay?

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Speaker 8: So it was basically this special as a series or

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Speaker 8: a documentary about these blue zones where people throughout the

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Speaker 8: world live longer in certain areas. And one of the

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Speaker 8: things that they were looking at was that, well, the

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Speaker 8: main thing they were looking at is what are the

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Speaker 8: factors that lead to a longer life in these blue

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Speaker 8: zones where people are living longer than average. And one

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Speaker 8: of the things was actually people getting up from the floor.

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Speaker 8: So in Japan, that's what they do. They sit down

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Speaker 8: for dinner and they get up the same thing. And

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Speaker 8: there's a town in Italy where people just walk up

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Speaker 8: and down hills all day. And you know, they don't

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Speaker 8: do any formal strength training. They're not across fit or anything,

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Speaker 8: but they are they're strong in their legs and that

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Speaker 8: keeps them upright. And so it's one of the most

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Speaker 8: important things is keeping your leg strength and your stability

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Speaker 8: so you're not falling. It's correlated with the longer and

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Speaker 8: higher quality of the life.

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Speaker 3: Gotcha.

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Speaker 2: I know one of the you know, one of the

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01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:56,040
Speaker 2: classic exercises that's like anything's it's a fad it comes

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01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:58,480
Speaker 2: back is the Turkish get up. And what you do

1409
01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:00,480
Speaker 2: is you lay on your bed. You start laying on

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01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:01,920
Speaker 2: your bag. You hold a kettle ball over your head

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01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 2: with one arm and you lock your arm throughout the

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Speaker 2: whole thing. And then you bend your knee on the

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Speaker 2: same side as a kettlebell, and then you roll up

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01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:11,400
Speaker 2: on your opposite elbow. You push up to your hand,

1415
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 2: you bridge your heads up, you sweep your legs out,

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01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 2: you stand up, or you just push the ken ball

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Speaker 2: of your head and the kettlebell falls back down and

1418
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 2: cractioning this call and you go to sleep. There are

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Speaker 2: two outcomes with that, and generally the second one is

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Speaker 2: the one I do.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it is one of the hardest things I had

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Speaker 8: to learn, Like, yeah, you just named twenty of the

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01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 8: seventy three steps to do a Turkish get up, but yeah,

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Speaker 8: they are worth it. They work everything in your body

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Speaker 8: and again, yeah, it gets that coordination and strength down well.

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Speaker 2: But you can do it without the kettlebell too. You know,

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Speaker 2: you need somebody does it with a fifty pound kettle ball.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you should probably have your own TV show

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Speaker 2: if you can do that. But I'm sure you've seen

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Speaker 2: some people in your gym that can. I'm fascinated about

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Speaker 2: the whole process. It's awfully difficult to do. The older

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Speaker 2: you get, the harder it is, oh for sure.

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Speaker 8: But you know again, like you just pointed out, you

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Speaker 8: don't need the way. Our body weight is plenty for

1435
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:04,320
Speaker 8: a lot of exercises, especially if you're doing it slowly

1436
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:07,560
Speaker 8: and deliberately. Your body weight can you know, serve as

1437
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Speaker 8: a great weight for you, especially me. After the holidays,

1438
01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:14,800
Speaker 8: there's extra bodyweight there to work out, So thanks, thanks

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Speaker 8: for all the dinners.

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Speaker 2: He's got to burn off that extra three or four

1441
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:25,440
Speaker 2: pecan pies, not slices, entire pies. Sevcamanti are a physician, fitness,

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Speaker 2: diet exercise guy here in the scott Slone. She pops

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Speaker 2: on Thursday morning, just a left way. I know this

1444
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Speaker 2: is just the startup of the winter season, but keep

1445
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Speaker 2: all that influence the back of your head and hopefully

1446
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Speaker 2: you'll be around to hear the show next year.

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Speaker 4: Hey man, I appreciate it. We'll check out next week.

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Speaker 4: Did your brother have a good one?

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Speaker 8: Sounds gracelan you too?

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 2: Take care, it's a Scott's Loan show. We've got news

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Speaker 2: on the way in just minutes. It's seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 1: Do want to be an American? All right?

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Speaker 4: Let me back on seven hundred w WELW.

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Speaker 2: We are seeing within the Republican Party Mike Johnson, Speaker

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Speaker 2: Johnson has grasped on the gap looks not quite as

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Speaker 2: strong as it used to be. Number of women factor

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Speaker 2: challenging him. Tennessee just had that election. We're Republican won

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Speaker 2: by nine points. But the problem is that Trump carried

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Speaker 2: that just a year ago by twenty two points. Number

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Speaker 2: of lawmakers are stepping down. Marjorie Taylor Green an example

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Speaker 2: of that too. So not all well in the GOP.

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Speaker 2: So you're a lot the Democratic brought the GOP as well.

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Speaker 2: There's a riff there. And you know, we just came

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Speaker 2: off an election night last month. We had a string

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Speaker 2: of GOP underperformances in this off year election. So now

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Speaker 2: you've got Trump activist saying we need more MAGA, not

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Speaker 2: less MAGA. As a solution of this, a new poll

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Speaker 2: has come out commissioned by our friends of the Manhattan

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Speaker 2: Institute that shows the deep cracks within the GOP coalition.

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Speaker 2: You've got what's called a cohesive corps and a less

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Speaker 2: stable outer ring. I love less stable stuff because it

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Speaker 2: means there's action going on here. Jesse arm with Manhattan,

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Speaker 2: How are.

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Speaker 3: You great to be with you? Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, appreciate it. Kind of long set up there, but

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Speaker 2: we've got lots going on. And the thing that jumped

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Speaker 2: out to me about this was that almost a third

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Speaker 2: of current Trump and GOP voters are what you call

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Speaker 2: new entrant Republicans who may have voted Democratic as recently

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Speaker 2: as twenty six year, maybe even twenty twenty for that man,

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Speaker 2: what's surprised you most about that particular group when you

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Speaker 2: started looking at the data.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So here's the bottom line.

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Speaker 7: We were very curious because there's been so much talk

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Speaker 7: in recent weeks about what is the American right, what

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Speaker 7: are the fractures within today's GOP, what does it mean

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Speaker 7: to be MAGA, and is this President Trump's winning coalition

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Speaker 7: from twenty twenty four capable of remaining intact once the

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Speaker 7: president exits the stage. So what we did was we

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Speaker 7: went out and we asked nearly three thousand voters nationally,

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Speaker 7: the vast majority of which we're Republican. We had a

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Speaker 7: few Democrats in there for comparative purposes, and then we

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Speaker 7: introduce these large what's called over samples of black and

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Speaker 7: Hispanic voters, which we account for on the back end

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Speaker 7: with waiting, But we really wanted to get a clear

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Speaker 7: picture of the small groups that are Sometimes you don't

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Speaker 7: want to make inferences that are too large out of

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Speaker 7: sub populations that are too small in a survey. So

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Speaker 7: all that's to say, this is one of the largest

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Speaker 7: and most exhaustive survey projects to date of this new

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Speaker 7: Trump built, multi ethnic working class GOP. And like you said,

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01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:16,800
Speaker 7: Scott's got two main camps that emerge. There's about a

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01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:21,479
Speaker 7: two third majority a little over that constitutes what we

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01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 7: think of as traditional Republicans. They're quite conservative on everything

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01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:28,839
Speaker 7: from foreign policy to the economic policy, to social issues.

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01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:32,880
Speaker 7: But there is this sizeable minority, what we're calling new

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01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:35,680
Speaker 7: entrints to the GOP, people who just voted for the

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01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:37,720
Speaker 7: Republican Party for maybe the first time in the last

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01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:41,040
Speaker 7: two presidential cycles, but have we're very likely to have

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01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:42,320
Speaker 7: voted for a Democrat in.

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01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:43,120
Speaker 3: The recent past.

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01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:45,519
Speaker 4: You're talking about, right.

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01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:49,760
Speaker 7: Well, not necessarily, they're a younger block. There are more

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01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:54,640
Speaker 7: diverse block Ethnically, they are more likely to hold progressive

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01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:59,679
Speaker 7: policy views across every major policy domain. But then, somewhat oddly,

1517
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:04,519
Speaker 7: they're also a significant share of them are more likely

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01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:06,160
Speaker 7: to report that they are open.

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01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:09,080
Speaker 3: To racist views or anti Semitic views.

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Speaker 7: And they express potential support for political violence, and yet

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01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:15,719
Speaker 7: again they are more liberal on policies.

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01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:17,559
Speaker 2: How do you explain that contradiction.

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01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:23,600
Speaker 7: Well, I think that President Trump brought in people to

1524
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:28,240
Speaker 7: the party who are all over the ideological map. And

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01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:29,920
Speaker 7: I don't think it'll be at any surprise for a

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01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:35,080
Speaker 7: lot of your listeners that the racists in American politics

1527
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:39,800
Speaker 7: are often not coming from the right most place, and

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01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:45,360
Speaker 7: that is an ideological line that is just not neatly

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01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:48,160
Speaker 7: defined all the time. Your listeners probably know this. There

1530
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:51,439
Speaker 7: are people in their lives who feel various different ways

1531
01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:55,240
Speaker 7: about any given issue. And you know, there are two

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01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:58,840
Speaker 7: kinds of factions at play in the national discourse right now.

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01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:02,200
Speaker 7: You've got left wing corporate media type and you've got

1534
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:05,640
Speaker 7: some of these odd ball types on the real They

1535
01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:07,960
Speaker 7: want to position themselves on the right, but really they're

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01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:10,600
Speaker 7: kind of flirting with a bunch of nasty things. And

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01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:13,439
Speaker 7: what they both have in common is that they don't

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01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:18,480
Speaker 7: want to see the politically successful coalition for the Republican

1539
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:21,160
Speaker 7: Party that Donald Trump put together in twenty twenty four

1540
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:23,759
Speaker 7: remain intact for future election cycle.

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01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:24,599
Speaker 4: Interesting.

1543
01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:27,439
Speaker 2: And there's also, i know too in the study here

1544
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:30,000
Speaker 2: a generational avide. So if you're on an under fifty

1545
01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:34,320
Speaker 2: Republican that looks different than plus fifty Republican, I'm pretty

1546
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:37,640
Speaker 2: much everything it's dark, whether it's Israel, China, or you know,

1547
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:40,680
Speaker 2: traditional vatos political violence. Are there just simply now two

1548
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:43,600
Speaker 2: different Republican parties coexisting temporarily?

1549
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:46,000
Speaker 8: No.

1550
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:48,400
Speaker 7: I think it's going to be up to the next

1551
01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:52,360
Speaker 7: Republican nominee to stick together a coalition that can work

1552
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:56,200
Speaker 7: and win at the national level. President Trump, you know,

1553
01:11:56,600 --> 01:11:59,160
Speaker 7: some people might be able to pin this in kind

1554
01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:04,840
Speaker 7: of a endearing light and say that he's very pragmatic.

1555
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:08,480
Speaker 7: Someone more hostile as the president might say that he's inconsistent.

1556
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:10,920
Speaker 7: But there is a fundamental truth to the fact that

1557
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:14,920
Speaker 7: President Trump has been sort of ideologically flexible on questions.

1558
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:15,040
Speaker 3: Over the years.

1559
01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 7: He's not a man who's afraid to change his mind.

1560
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:20,840
Speaker 7: In the first term, one of his signature policy achievements

1561
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:24,200
Speaker 7: with Congress was passing the first Stepbacks, which was a

1562
01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:26,920
Speaker 7: big piece of criminal justice reform. In this term, he's

1563
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:30,400
Speaker 7: been much tougher on crime and policing. These National Guard

1564
01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:35,280
Speaker 7: deployments have been its signature achievement. And in his campaign

1565
01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:38,320
Speaker 7: for office, he ran on a message of no new wars,

1566
01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:41,120
Speaker 7: but also he's not afraid to use force. Now that

1567
01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:44,839
Speaker 7: he's in office, he's got a very hawkish posture toward Iran,

1568
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:48,799
Speaker 7: towards Venezuela, toward a lot of our adversaries across the globe.

1569
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:53,120
Speaker 7: So President Trump's appeal has kind of been his celebrity,

1570
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 7: his humor, and also his pragmatic flexibility around issues. What

1571
01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:00,599
Speaker 7: is it going to be for jd.

1572
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:01,679
Speaker 3: Vance or Ted.

1573
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:04,080
Speaker 7: Cruz or Mark or Rubio or whoever it is who

1574
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:07,400
Speaker 7: becomes the Republican standard bearer in twenty twenty eight. Maybe

1575
01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 7: they'll bring in a lot of young men the same

1576
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:11,479
Speaker 7: way President Trump did in twenty twenty four. Maybe they'll

1577
01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:14,439
Speaker 7: win back some of the suburban moms that President Trump

1578
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:16,800
Speaker 7: lost over the course of his tenure in office. But

1579
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:19,519
Speaker 7: politicians have to be created, and if they want to

1580
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:22,840
Speaker 7: win at national level, they can't do it with just

1581
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:25,240
Speaker 7: the base. But the question is who do they add in?

1582
01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:28,160
Speaker 7: And it's probably pretty unlikely that the next standard bearer

1583
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:30,719
Speaker 7: is going to add in that same group that President

1584
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:32,800
Speaker 7: Trump would managed to manage to put together.

1585
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:36,559
Speaker 2: Jesse ARMC Manhattan Institute on the study, that's a damn.

1586
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:39,439
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say impossible. Nothing's impossible. And you know, every

1587
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:41,559
Speaker 2: day in politics feels like it's a year these days.

1588
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:43,479
Speaker 2: For sure, hardly Trump's only been in office a year.

1589
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:45,880
Speaker 2: It feels like I'd spend two terms, maybe four terms

1590
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:49,360
Speaker 2: at this point, like FDI, not even yeah.

1591
01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:50,439
Speaker 4: Right exactly, it's just every day.

1592
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:54,280
Speaker 2: But you look at it, it's the cult of Trump's personality,

1593
01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:55,880
Speaker 2: the enigma that's Donald Trump.

1594
01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:57,639
Speaker 4: That's awfully hard to replicate.

1595
01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:01,640
Speaker 2: We've seen that tried before with other people, maybe not

1596
01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:05,480
Speaker 2: till Trump's level, but I'm let's face it, he's not kindoclassed.

1597
01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:07,679
Speaker 2: You can't replicate that. That's gonna be difficult.

1598
01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:10,800
Speaker 7: And we'll have to keep in mind that the Democrats

1599
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:15,040
Speaker 7: are super eager to finally get their Trump. Don't be

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01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 7: surprised that they nominate somebody in twenty twenty eight who's

1601
01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:21,360
Speaker 7: willing to fight some heads off and be a creative

1602
01:14:21,439 --> 01:14:25,200
Speaker 7: communicator and you know, break break the electorate up on

1603
01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 7: along interesting ideological line. Gavin Newsom is capable of doing that. Hell,

1604
01:14:29,320 --> 01:14:31,800
Speaker 7: even maybe AOT may be capable of doing that. So

1605
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:34,559
Speaker 7: hopefully there's a Republican that comes forward with the same

1606
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:39,040
Speaker 7: kind of policy entrepreneurship and political creativity that President Trump

1607
01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:41,080
Speaker 7: is able to possess. But as you and I both

1608
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:43,160
Speaker 7: know and your audience knows, that's no easy task.

1609
01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:47,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, you surveyed this group three thousand, which is a

1610
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:49,360
Speaker 2: really good sample size. By the way, on a point

1611
01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:50,720
Speaker 2: you may go, oh, that's not that many people, but

1612
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:54,519
Speaker 2: that's pretty good on where the GOP is standing, where

1613
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:54,960
Speaker 2: they're headed.

1614
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:55,640
Speaker 4: I guess right now.

1615
01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:58,839
Speaker 2: You tested things like anti semitism and the conspiracy theories,

1616
01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:01,679
Speaker 2: and I thought the political violence one was particularly interesting.

1617
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:03,680
Speaker 2: That more than half of what you're calling the new

1618
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:07,600
Speaker 2: entrant Republicans say political violence is justified or can be

1619
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 2: justified anyway, and that matches up with those on the left.

1620
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:14,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, a lot of these people, like I said,

1621
01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 7: they're younger, and they're more conspiratorial. They've got a more

1622
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:21,519
Speaker 7: and once you're more conspiratorial. Another thing that our data

1623
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:25,080
Speaker 7: told us is that you're also more likely to excuse

1624
01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:28,760
Speaker 7: political violence under the right circumstances. So we have to

1625
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:31,280
Speaker 7: ask ourselves, right when we're hearing and seeing a lot

1626
01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:34,599
Speaker 7: of stuff in the news about the evolution of media

1627
01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:38,720
Speaker 7: figures like Tucker Carlson or Canvasz into a transition to

1628
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:43,639
Speaker 7: a fully online environment, Well, we have to ask ourselves, like, Okay,

1629
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:47,519
Speaker 7: so they're appealing to a younger block, a more diverse block,

1630
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:50,639
Speaker 7: a block that's spending a lot of time in digital spaces,

1631
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:54,040
Speaker 7: not listening to radio shows like yours, but are perhaps

1632
01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:57,120
Speaker 7: you know, spending a lot of time on TikTok and

1633
01:15:57,240 --> 01:16:01,560
Speaker 7: on platforms like rumble x, and the incentives are just

1634
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:04,559
Speaker 7: different than what they are for electoral politics. We actually

1635
01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:08,519
Speaker 7: pulled voters, and when you talk to voters, it's a

1636
01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:12,960
Speaker 7: lot more traditional and coherent ideologically, at least the vast

1637
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:16,439
Speaker 7: majority of the GOP looks that way. So it's important

1638
01:16:16,439 --> 01:16:19,280
Speaker 7: to keep in mind that your favorite voices in sort

1639
01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:23,040
Speaker 7: of new media have incentives that are different than your

1640
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:26,880
Speaker 7: favorite politicians and Republicans or any political party.

1641
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:28,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you had this confluence event that the

1642
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:31,519
Speaker 2: long distrust of legacy media, and then along came the

1643
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:34,400
Speaker 2: Internet and different influencers are online and there's no filter

1644
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:36,240
Speaker 2: for them, and the more extreme the better, and that

1645
01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:39,120
Speaker 2: that makes sense as to why so many people majority

1646
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:42,439
Speaker 2: would lean towards political violence because that's being preached on

1647
01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:43,120
Speaker 2: those platforms.

1648
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:47,680
Speaker 7: Absolutely. Yeah, it really all comes down to that there

1649
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:51,920
Speaker 7: is a core group and a fringe group, and it's

1650
01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 7: up to whoever is going to be the next standard

1651
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:57,400
Speaker 7: bearer for the party to come to a determination about

1652
01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:01,799
Speaker 7: who will make up their blows and can they create

1653
01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:05,840
Speaker 7: a book wide enough to secure a victory at the

1654
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:09,200
Speaker 7: national stage, because I have no easy cap. President Trump

1655
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:12,479
Speaker 7: even struggled to do it three times. He you know,

1656
01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:15,400
Speaker 7: depending on who you are married at least.

1657
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:19,160
Speaker 2: So, yeah, Jesse Armin Manhattan Institute a new poll that

1658
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:21,840
Speaker 2: they did. They are very exhaustive one that reveals divides

1659
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:24,120
Speaker 2: inside the GOP coalition. So you've got the core, You've

1660
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:27,080
Speaker 2: got the less stable outer ring. One is hearing this

1661
01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:29,360
Speaker 2: and going so it's just what the older people are,

1662
01:17:29,400 --> 01:17:32,920
Speaker 2: the neocons, and that's the cohesive core traditional conservatives of

1663
01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:35,280
Speaker 2: maybe ten years ago. And now you've got a less

1664
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:38,360
Speaker 2: stable outer ring who are the younger entrance into the

1665
01:17:38,479 --> 01:17:42,880
Speaker 2: GOP is. But but even that is probably a misleading summary,

1666
01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:44,280
Speaker 2: right Executive Summer.

1667
01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:48,479
Speaker 7: Yeah, no, I mean we're not seeing a natural fault

1668
01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:52,599
Speaker 7: line along what you might call neocons or and then

1669
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:56,400
Speaker 7: their their adversaries being I don't know, paleocon guys who

1670
01:17:56,520 --> 01:18:00,439
Speaker 7: like pack you canon or something like that. Maga, Yeah,

1671
01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:05,880
Speaker 7: isn't this isn't falling along. It's not that tidy split. Okay,

1672
01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:09,680
Speaker 7: We've found two much messier blocks, which I've described for

1673
01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:13,960
Speaker 7: you now earlier. But again it does bear repeating that

1674
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:18,040
Speaker 7: just under thirty percent of today's GOP is what we

1675
01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:21,400
Speaker 7: call these new entrance Republican voters who join the coalition

1676
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:24,679
Speaker 7: in the Trump era. They are younger, more racially diverse,

1677
01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:27,799
Speaker 7: and much more likely to have voted for Barack Obama,

1678
01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:31,840
Speaker 7: Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, or Kamala Harrince at least one time.

1679
01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:34,840
Speaker 7: So they are the ostensible base for much of the

1680
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:40,120
Speaker 7: eccentricity that now preoccupies conservative politics. Because those voters are

1681
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:42,960
Speaker 7: also so much more liberal on issues that we tested,

1682
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:47,040
Speaker 7: from taxes and spending to foreign policies, immigrations to DEI

1683
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:52,320
Speaker 7: to transgender issues. This is a consistent through line. And

1684
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:56,200
Speaker 7: beyond all that, like I said, there is a flirtation

1685
01:18:56,720 --> 01:19:01,240
Speaker 7: with the kind of odd here. They're much more likely

1686
01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:03,639
Speaker 7: to believe a number of conspiracy theories. They're much more

1687
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:07,439
Speaker 7: likely to work with political violence in some ways. And

1688
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:10,280
Speaker 7: that is, you know, breaking our politics up along very

1689
01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:10,920
Speaker 7: funny line.

1690
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:14,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yess you mentioned the minority faction of the GOP

1691
01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:20,080
Speaker 2: was over sampled deliberately. But I'm looking at the numbers

1692
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:22,120
Speaker 2: of d and then maybe that factors into the reason why,

1693
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:27,479
Speaker 2: even more so than white Republicans, Hispanics and blacks say

1694
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:29,200
Speaker 2: DEI should be made illegal.

1695
01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:29,840
Speaker 4: What do you make of that?

1696
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:34,280
Speaker 7: I think that DEI has got to be a winning

1697
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:39,200
Speaker 7: issue for conservatives moving forward, no matter who the policy

1698
01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:42,320
Speaker 7: standard bearers for the Republican Party. One thing that was

1699
01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:46,080
Speaker 7: a parent from our data is that a really useful

1700
01:19:46,160 --> 01:19:49,160
Speaker 7: way to think about our politics and what it is

1701
01:19:49,240 --> 01:19:50,800
Speaker 7: that Republicans stand for is.

1702
01:19:51,439 --> 01:19:53,880
Speaker 3: Merit, meaning we believe in.

1703
01:19:55,920 --> 01:20:00,160
Speaker 7: A true meritocracy that anybody can work their way up

1704
01:20:00,479 --> 01:20:04,880
Speaker 7: equality of opportunities, not equality of outcome. And I'll say

1705
01:20:05,200 --> 01:20:09,360
Speaker 7: that actually a politician in your state is perhaps one

1706
01:20:09,400 --> 01:20:13,000
Speaker 7: of the best articulators of what it means to organize

1707
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:16,800
Speaker 7: the Republican Party along the through line of merit. What

1708
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:20,960
Speaker 7: is fair? What is just that the best people rise

1709
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:23,640
Speaker 7: to the top and that we're not giving out handouts

1710
01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:30,520
Speaker 7: and living in a sort of DEI racially discriminatory identity

1711
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:34,760
Speaker 7: politics of set America. And that politician is the zach Ramaswami,

1712
01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:37,040
Speaker 7: who's I think stands a very good shot of being

1713
01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:37,880
Speaker 7: your next governor.

1714
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:41,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I would agree with that too. Similarly, because

1715
01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:45,320
Speaker 2: we're a limited time here, Jesse. Almost parallel to that

1716
01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:49,679
Speaker 2: is the masculinity question. Seven out of ten current GOP

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01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:54,599
Speaker 2: supporters believe that America is too feminine, and it's almost

1718
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:57,320
Speaker 2: sixty percent of Republican women. What's driving that settlement and

1719
01:20:57,640 --> 01:21:00,160
Speaker 2: how does that going to shape the cultural position when

1720
01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:01,200
Speaker 2: it comes to the gender wars.

1721
01:21:02,240 --> 01:21:06,040
Speaker 7: Well, keep in mind that our polling was of most

1722
01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:09,960
Speaker 7: heavily what we call the current GOP, and we defined

1723
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:13,840
Speaker 7: that as you had to be either part of the

1724
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:16,120
Speaker 7: whole group that voted for Trump in twenty twenty four,

1725
01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:20,880
Speaker 7: regardless of your policy party registration, or you are a

1726
01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:24,240
Speaker 7: registered Republican even those who did not vote for President

1727
01:21:24,320 --> 01:21:27,439
Speaker 7: Trump to be considered in that current GOP block. And

1728
01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:31,439
Speaker 7: that group that President Trump has brought together and reshaped

1729
01:21:31,479 --> 01:21:36,000
Speaker 7: the Republican Party in that image is very male, and

1730
01:21:36,160 --> 01:21:38,720
Speaker 7: beyond being very male. Even the women who are part

1731
01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:43,320
Speaker 7: of that block believe that America has become too a feminine,

1732
01:21:43,720 --> 01:21:48,040
Speaker 7: feminized as a country. So how do you articulate and

1733
01:21:48,240 --> 01:21:55,919
Speaker 7: develop a politic that is strong masculine nationalist but avoids

1734
01:21:56,600 --> 01:21:58,880
Speaker 7: you know, I mean, we're both guys. We know kind

1735
01:21:58,920 --> 01:21:59,439
Speaker 7: of where.

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01:21:59,320 --> 01:22:03,280
Speaker 6: Guys picked right right right to be too macho, to

1737
01:22:03,439 --> 01:22:11,040
Speaker 6: be headstrong, stubborn effective, that compromise illy difficult, song and dance,

1738
01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:13,640
Speaker 6: and you're gonna see I think if I had, if

1739
01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:16,680
Speaker 6: I'm a betting man, the Democrats are probably going to

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01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:19,439
Speaker 6: nominate a man in twenty twenty eight if triude nominating

1741
01:22:20,160 --> 01:22:21,360
Speaker 6: women a couple of times.

1742
01:22:21,439 --> 01:22:23,800
Speaker 7: Now they've lost Gavin as the guy who sort of

1743
01:22:23,800 --> 01:22:26,200
Speaker 7: appears to be the front runner right now. So we're

1744
01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:29,599
Speaker 7: gonna be in dangerous territory as Republicans if the Democrats

1745
01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:32,960
Speaker 7: end up nominating a man who can speak the language

1746
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:37,599
Speaker 7: of masculinity effectively while articulating a progressive policy program.

1747
01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:40,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, is that I mean it could be a Gavin Newsom.

1748
01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:41,679
Speaker 2: Is that an Andy Basher from Kentucky?

1749
01:22:42,840 --> 01:22:44,960
Speaker 7: It should be a lot of people, but Andy Basheer

1750
01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:47,120
Speaker 7: is another one who definitely gets kicked around a lot

1751
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:52,439
Speaker 7: Joshupiro in Pennsylvania, another popular Democratic governor who is not

1752
01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:56,840
Speaker 7: you know, he doesn't talk in the sort of ultra progressive,

1753
01:22:56,960 --> 01:23:01,439
Speaker 7: woke ways that so many Democrats did just a couple

1754
01:23:01,439 --> 01:23:02,000
Speaker 7: of years ago.

1755
01:23:02,479 --> 01:23:03,360
Speaker 3: We're losing a lot.

1756
01:23:04,200 --> 01:23:06,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, and obviously the big glooming problem here is Trump

1757
01:23:06,680 --> 01:23:09,240
Speaker 2: two point zero. The next candidate is at paradox because

1758
01:23:09,320 --> 01:23:11,120
Speaker 2: based on what you just said, Jesse, the most Trump

1759
01:23:11,240 --> 01:23:13,600
Speaker 2: like rhetoric will appeal to the new entrance, as you

1760
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:16,479
Speaker 2: call them. But core Republicans that tend to dominate the

1761
01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:19,559
Speaker 2: primaries want steady or more traditional leadership. So that's that's

1762
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:22,360
Speaker 2: gonna be a tough one to play out. We'll see

1763
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:22,760
Speaker 2: how it goes.

1764
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:23,000
Speaker 3: Again.

1765
01:23:23,080 --> 01:23:27,200
Speaker 2: He is at Jesse arm he's at Manhattan Institute helping

1766
01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:30,400
Speaker 2: with this new study to kind of diagram what's happening

1767
01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:31,840
Speaker 2: with the GOP. We may have to do one of

1768
01:23:31,840 --> 01:23:35,320
Speaker 2: the Democrats too, because that's also equally confusing. We're just

1769
01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:37,799
Speaker 2: at one of those political crossroads that happens every generation,

1770
01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:39,720
Speaker 2: for sure. All the best, Thanks again for jumping.

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01:23:39,479 --> 01:23:40,960
Speaker 3: On, Thanks for having me.

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01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:43,400
Speaker 2: Take care, take care, all the best. Scott Sloan Show

1773
01:23:43,439 --> 01:23:45,439
Speaker 2: with News in just minutes. Here traffic weather, all the

1774
01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:47,080
Speaker 2: good stuff on the way down. We'll check it with

1775
01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:49,280
Speaker 2: my wife. Next real estate stuff, just to head Sloney

1776
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:50,080
Speaker 2: seven hundred w O.

1777
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:57,360
Speaker 4: Jeez, the Princess of property, the Queen of closings. But

1778
01:23:57,640 --> 01:23:58,719
Speaker 4: touch us out deals.

1779
01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:03,639
Speaker 1: It's a realistic time. What's Michelle Sloan? All hell?

1780
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:08,240
Speaker 7: The bestest remax time agent I've ever met on seven

1781
01:24:08,360 --> 01:24:09,600
Speaker 7: hundred W l W.

1782
01:24:10,160 --> 01:24:10,920
Speaker 4: Good morning, How are you?

1783
01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:13,560
Speaker 9: I'm doing great? How are you?

1784
01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:14,799
Speaker 2: He fine?

1785
01:24:16,200 --> 01:24:16,760
Speaker 7: Yeah, you are.

1786
01:24:17,240 --> 01:24:20,200
Speaker 2: It's been a roast here because you know you your

1787
01:24:20,280 --> 01:24:22,040
Speaker 2: knee has been hurting for a while and you're like, well,

1788
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:23,800
Speaker 2: you know, you just had your ankle done and we're

1789
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:25,880
Speaker 2: it hit our kope. So I would say that's far

1790
01:24:26,080 --> 01:24:28,040
Speaker 2: a smart financial management.

1791
01:24:29,080 --> 01:24:29,479
Speaker 7: That's right.

1792
01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:36,479
Speaker 9: Care full knee replacement the day before Thanksgiving. And so

1793
01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:40,599
Speaker 9: it's been exactly a week in a day and actually

1794
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:42,120
Speaker 9: I'm getting along pretty well.

1795
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:43,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're doing all right?

1796
01:24:44,439 --> 01:24:45,320
Speaker 9: Yahretty good?

1797
01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:45,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was.

1798
01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:49,400
Speaker 2: I talk about, you know, over extending myself. We had

1799
01:24:49,479 --> 01:24:51,479
Speaker 2: seven family members over for a holidays. I did all

1800
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:54,720
Speaker 2: the cooking and taking care of you the same time, Like.

1801
01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:55,439
Speaker 1: What the hell?

1802
01:24:56,600 --> 01:25:00,439
Speaker 9: Yeah, on Thursday, there wasn't much taking care of me,

1803
01:25:00,680 --> 01:25:03,080
Speaker 9: feeding me, pills, and you know.

1804
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:05,920
Speaker 2: I was in I will say the anything you're you're

1805
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:07,800
Speaker 2: up and around. Although the best thing happened when you

1806
01:25:07,880 --> 01:25:12,000
Speaker 2: were kind of in that fog of what do you

1807
01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:16,600
Speaker 2: want to call it? Pharmaceuticals some degree after surgery. This

1808
01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:19,439
Speaker 2: is awesome, she blurts out, because you always wonder what

1809
01:25:19,479 --> 01:25:24,280
Speaker 2: somebody's gonna sayhen they're under the influence of well, no,

1810
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:27,080
Speaker 2: you were talking about how you came up with an

1811
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:33,800
Speaker 2: idea that you should have scented oxygen like what they

1812
01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:35,960
Speaker 2: got the nasal candyle idea, And You're like, well, why

1813
01:25:36,040 --> 01:25:37,479
Speaker 2: don't they have to say you know, it'd be good.

1814
01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:40,080
Speaker 2: They could do like eggnog flavored, and and I'm like,

1815
01:25:40,240 --> 01:25:42,920
Speaker 2: uh huh. I was like, you just kept going about

1816
01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:44,800
Speaker 2: the different flavors it should be. There should be a

1817
01:25:44,840 --> 01:25:47,880
Speaker 2: peppermint wine and a gingerbread one. And wouldn't it be

1818
01:25:47,960 --> 01:25:50,000
Speaker 2: good if they have like, yeah, what about I don't know,

1819
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:54,000
Speaker 2: ham soup. Yeah, well okay, I'm like, holy crap, she's

1820
01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:55,040
Speaker 2: high af right now.

1821
01:25:55,680 --> 01:25:58,519
Speaker 9: I know, you know, I totally remember that they set

1822
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:01,519
Speaker 9: that thing in my nose terrible and it was a

1823
01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:06,439
Speaker 9: little bit uncomfortable, and it's now funny it's not funny

1824
01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:08,840
Speaker 9: to me. And I just thought, well, I need flavor.

1825
01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:10,920
Speaker 4: You're just getting I can't. Everything with you has to

1826
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:11,559
Speaker 4: be flavored.

1827
01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:12,280
Speaker 1: It's the water.

1828
01:26:12,520 --> 01:26:13,839
Speaker 4: I got flavored oxygen.

1829
01:26:14,040 --> 01:26:14,800
Speaker 1: I think back in the.

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01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:16,920
Speaker 2: Day when the oxygen bars were a thing, and they

1831
01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:20,160
Speaker 2: might still be, but I think they had the scented oxygen.

1832
01:26:20,240 --> 01:26:22,640
Speaker 2: But you're going alike, and you just kept talking and

1833
01:26:22,840 --> 01:26:25,519
Speaker 2: talking and talking about the different sense that we're coming

1834
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:27,719
Speaker 2: to mind like, Okay, I get it, Yes, send it oxygen,

1835
01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:29,320
Speaker 2: run into the whole playlist.

1836
01:26:29,960 --> 01:26:32,320
Speaker 9: I must have been doing that when I when they

1837
01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:34,680
Speaker 9: wield me in, I don't know. So they wheeled me

1838
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:37,560
Speaker 9: into the operating room, and I remember I was just

1839
01:26:37,720 --> 01:26:40,560
Speaker 9: superjabber and I just I have no idea what I

1840
01:26:40,680 --> 01:26:43,479
Speaker 9: was talking about. But all I saw were the bright

1841
01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:45,720
Speaker 9: lights above me. You know, I felt like I was

1842
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:48,680
Speaker 9: in a medical drama or something, and I was on

1843
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:51,439
Speaker 9: the table and I'm just going, oh, the lights, the

1844
01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:52,559
Speaker 9: blah blah blah, and all of.

1845
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:56,400
Speaker 2: A sudden, I'm like, you're a nervous going yeah, I'm

1846
01:26:56,520 --> 01:26:58,080
Speaker 2: kind of like a veteran with these things, like yeah,

1847
01:26:58,120 --> 01:27:00,160
Speaker 2: you'll you know, you're alert, wake oriented, and all of

1848
01:27:00,200 --> 01:27:02,240
Speaker 2: a sudden. I said, you know you're gonna You're gonna

1849
01:27:02,439 --> 01:27:04,800
Speaker 2: blink and you'll be in recovery going what the hell

1850
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:05,400
Speaker 2: just happened?

1851
01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:08,680
Speaker 9: So exactly all I remember is looking up at the

1852
01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:10,879
Speaker 9: lights going, oh, I'm like in a TV.

1853
01:27:10,920 --> 01:27:17,040
Speaker 4: Show, doctor Murphy Beacon awesome did a great job.

1854
01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:18,400
Speaker 9: So yeah we did.

1855
01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:18,880
Speaker 7: He did.

1856
01:27:19,040 --> 01:27:22,080
Speaker 9: Actually, And again I've been up walking around. I had

1857
01:27:22,120 --> 01:27:24,960
Speaker 9: a you know, and they tell me, they tell you

1858
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:27,280
Speaker 9: when you have me replaced in surgery, and I've heard

1859
01:27:27,320 --> 01:27:30,080
Speaker 9: a lot of people had it, and over the years,

1860
01:27:30,160 --> 01:27:33,599
Speaker 9: I think it's changed quite a bit. But just walking

1861
01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:36,960
Speaker 9: around day one day too, you know, that first day

1862
01:27:37,040 --> 01:27:41,799
Speaker 9: of p T was on Friday, just two days after surgery,

1863
01:27:42,680 --> 01:27:45,600
Speaker 9: and the boy the next day, I.

1864
01:27:45,720 --> 01:27:47,920
Speaker 2: Felt that I was feeling right right, But a lot

1865
01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:50,280
Speaker 2: of people with there it's like it's it's it's pretty

1866
01:27:50,320 --> 01:27:52,479
Speaker 2: easy comparatively speaking to what it was just a few

1867
01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:52,920
Speaker 2: years ago.

1868
01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:56,080
Speaker 9: So well, I thought I was going to be like Superwoman.

1869
01:27:55,640 --> 01:27:58,320
Speaker 4: And I was, you know, I was too old for that. Wow,

1870
01:27:58,439 --> 01:27:59,320
Speaker 4: way too old for that.

1871
01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:00,560
Speaker 9: Oh thank you.

1872
01:28:02,200 --> 01:28:04,200
Speaker 2: To that point, my final point on this one, it

1873
01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:07,240
Speaker 2: was hysterical. The other night, I'm She's like, well, I'm

1874
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:08,600
Speaker 2: kind of cold, she's on the gosh, you got her

1875
01:28:08,680 --> 01:28:10,920
Speaker 2: leg up, she's got her ice on. Uh. And I

1876
01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:14,360
Speaker 2: walk in the living room. She's watching TV. She's stopped

1877
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:16,519
Speaker 2: for some reason, like at the Hallmark channel or something

1878
01:28:16,640 --> 01:28:19,200
Speaker 2: like that. She's got her blanket on, she's got a

1879
01:28:19,240 --> 01:28:21,360
Speaker 2: cup of tea, and her cane is next to her.

1880
01:28:21,400 --> 01:28:24,360
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, you're just one cat away from being

1881
01:28:24,439 --> 01:28:29,800
Speaker 2: that lady, that old lady. And I went, oh my god,

1882
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:31,400
Speaker 2: and you started laughing. I was like, it was so

1883
01:28:31,479 --> 01:28:32,240
Speaker 2: funny because.

1884
01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:35,880
Speaker 9: It's like, yeah, you know, if I wanted a cup

1885
01:28:35,960 --> 01:28:37,200
Speaker 9: of tea, if I had a.

1886
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:39,599
Speaker 2: Nice you want a nice cup of tea? How about

1887
01:28:39,640 --> 01:28:41,479
Speaker 2: a nice cup of tea would go great with your cat?

1888
01:28:41,560 --> 01:28:46,559
Speaker 2: You're asking your cane in the Hallmark Channel's perfect. All right,

1889
01:28:46,640 --> 01:28:47,880
Speaker 2: let's talk real estate stuff.

1890
01:28:47,880 --> 01:28:48,360
Speaker 4: What do we got?

1891
01:28:49,280 --> 01:28:51,960
Speaker 9: Oh my gosh. Okay. So, actually, this is a topic

1892
01:28:52,240 --> 01:28:55,680
Speaker 9: that has come up a couple of times in the

1893
01:28:55,800 --> 01:28:58,360
Speaker 9: last month, so I thought it would be a good conversation.

1894
01:28:59,040 --> 01:29:00,920
Speaker 9: There's a lot of people who are getting to that

1895
01:29:01,080 --> 01:29:04,240
Speaker 9: age where they want to downsize or right size their home,

1896
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:07,760
Speaker 9: and they want to decide do I want to find

1897
01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:09,960
Speaker 9: a ranch, do I want to live in a condo

1898
01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:17,120
Speaker 9: and so the it's sort of an interesting idea of Okay,

1899
01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:19,600
Speaker 9: am I ready for a condo because you have to

1900
01:29:19,720 --> 01:29:22,400
Speaker 9: kind of be ready to go into a condo because

1901
01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:25,519
Speaker 9: you're going to have neighbors, they're going to be nosy,

1902
01:29:26,040 --> 01:29:28,799
Speaker 9: You're going to have an h o A a condo,

1903
01:29:29,400 --> 01:29:34,680
Speaker 9: A condo is. There's a lot of great factors when

1904
01:29:34,760 --> 01:29:37,120
Speaker 9: it comes to condo. So let's just look at the

1905
01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:41,040
Speaker 9: comparison between if you want to buy a home or

1906
01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:43,840
Speaker 9: do you want to buy a condo. The condo the

1907
01:29:43,960 --> 01:29:48,000
Speaker 9: pros are pretty easy to lift. The low maintenance living

1908
01:29:48,680 --> 01:29:52,000
Speaker 9: you don't have to well, you have maintenance inside your.

1909
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:54,320
Speaker 2: Home maybe, but you know the thes are cutting the grass,

1910
01:29:54,479 --> 01:29:57,320
Speaker 2: of moving the snow, the roof, the siding, anything big

1911
01:29:57,439 --> 01:29:58,439
Speaker 2: like you don't have to worry about it.

1912
01:29:59,320 --> 01:30:01,679
Speaker 9: No, you still have to worry about, you know, making

1913
01:30:01,720 --> 01:30:04,640
Speaker 9: sure you're changing your filters on your age back. You

1914
01:30:04,720 --> 01:30:08,800
Speaker 9: know there's there's interior or stuff that's not forget about it.

1915
01:30:08,840 --> 01:30:11,200
Speaker 9: It's nothing for you, but there's something for people. Yeah,

1916
01:30:11,320 --> 01:30:14,920
Speaker 9: something you know people regularly you have to do change.

1917
01:30:14,760 --> 01:30:16,840
Speaker 2: A filter something you know, call a plumber, electrician if

1918
01:30:16,840 --> 01:30:18,720
Speaker 2: something else goes wrong. But that's largely.

1919
01:30:20,320 --> 01:30:23,519
Speaker 9: It's fairly low maintenance living. For sure, it can be

1920
01:30:23,680 --> 01:30:28,320
Speaker 9: more affordable, but once you factor in the monthly HOA fees,

1921
01:30:29,439 --> 01:30:32,760
Speaker 9: it could be very similar price point wise to a

1922
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:37,320
Speaker 9: single family home because just imagine you're paying two hundred,

1923
01:30:37,360 --> 01:30:39,920
Speaker 9: three hundred, four hundred. I've seen as high as five

1924
01:30:40,040 --> 01:30:45,040
Speaker 9: hundred dollars a month for a homeowner's association, plus if

1925
01:30:45,080 --> 01:30:47,639
Speaker 9: you have a mortgage. Now, if you don't have a mortgage,

1926
01:30:47,960 --> 01:30:51,759
Speaker 9: you're just paying that monthly fee along with your utility. Okay,

1927
01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:53,960
Speaker 9: that may be doable, but that could add up to

1928
01:30:54,160 --> 01:30:57,040
Speaker 9: like a thousand dollars a month. So again it's something

1929
01:30:57,120 --> 01:30:59,720
Speaker 9: that you have to think about. The amenities and a

1930
01:30:59,760 --> 01:31:04,080
Speaker 9: con could be very nice and attractive. A pool, fitness center, clubhouse,

1931
01:31:04,160 --> 01:31:05,360
Speaker 9: walking trails, things like that.

1932
01:31:06,720 --> 01:31:08,160
Speaker 7: You don't really have to worry about it.

1933
01:31:08,680 --> 01:31:10,519
Speaker 9: You know, you can kind of close the door and

1934
01:31:10,600 --> 01:31:15,640
Speaker 9: go on vacation. But again, the cons then are those hoavs,

1935
01:31:16,240 --> 01:31:19,720
Speaker 9: your rules and restrictions. If you have a pet, you

1936
01:31:19,880 --> 01:31:22,000
Speaker 9: usually can't just let it out the back door and

1937
01:31:22,120 --> 01:31:24,040
Speaker 9: let us go do it business and come back in.

1938
01:31:24,200 --> 01:31:25,679
Speaker 3: You're going to have to walk your pets.

1939
01:31:26,840 --> 01:31:28,560
Speaker 9: You may or may not be able to use that

1940
01:31:28,720 --> 01:31:31,479
Speaker 9: property as a rental at any point. A lot of

1941
01:31:31,560 --> 01:31:37,200
Speaker 9: homeowners associations and condos are doing away with allowing rentals

1942
01:31:37,400 --> 01:31:39,760
Speaker 9: in most communities, so you have to check on that.

1943
01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:43,960
Speaker 9: It's also a little bit of a slower appreciation as

1944
01:31:44,080 --> 01:31:49,720
Speaker 9: far as that investment goes with a condo that has

1945
01:31:49,800 --> 01:31:54,439
Speaker 9: a homeowner's association. The older the condo is, the higher

1946
01:31:54,560 --> 01:31:58,639
Speaker 9: the HOA fee is on a monthly basis. So plus,

1947
01:31:58,720 --> 01:32:03,240
Speaker 9: you want to make sure that the condo is doing

1948
01:32:04,520 --> 01:32:07,720
Speaker 9: the best they can with your money. They're investing it.

1949
01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:10,880
Speaker 9: You make sure there's a good reserve. Those kinds of

1950
01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:14,920
Speaker 9: things are important to look at before you buy, because otherwise,

1951
01:32:15,040 --> 01:32:17,120
Speaker 9: if a big if they're you know, if they don't,

1952
01:32:17,200 --> 01:32:21,160
Speaker 9: if the HA doesn't have their stuff together and you

1953
01:32:21,400 --> 01:32:25,120
Speaker 9: need a new roof, and so does ten other condos,

1954
01:32:25,360 --> 01:32:28,240
Speaker 9: you know, that's not a cheap thing that comes out

1955
01:32:28,280 --> 01:32:31,639
Speaker 9: of the condo budget, the HOA budget. So you want

1956
01:32:31,680 --> 01:32:33,400
Speaker 9: to make sure that there's a reserve in there to

1957
01:32:33,439 --> 01:32:36,879
Speaker 9: take care of that and there's a plan. So condos

1958
01:32:36,920 --> 01:32:39,960
Speaker 9: can be extremely great, but I've had two clients of

1959
01:32:40,120 --> 01:32:43,360
Speaker 9: mine who moved into condos in the last year and

1960
01:32:43,479 --> 01:32:48,440
Speaker 9: they hated it. Absolutely hated it. If they felt restricted,

1961
01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:51,240
Speaker 9: they felt like it wasn't their own home, they felt

1962
01:32:51,280 --> 01:32:54,080
Speaker 9: like they were renting even though they owned it. So

1963
01:32:54,680 --> 01:32:57,960
Speaker 9: they moved from get me out of this condo and

1964
01:32:58,200 --> 01:33:01,120
Speaker 9: find me a single family home. And so I think

1965
01:33:01,240 --> 01:33:06,920
Speaker 9: that's a really interesting I just find it fascinating because

1966
01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:09,800
Speaker 9: you're all in on the condo thing until you're in

1967
01:33:09,920 --> 01:33:12,120
Speaker 9: there and you're like, oh, this is way too restrictive.

1968
01:33:12,880 --> 01:33:16,720
Speaker 9: So obviously the pros of buying a single family home.

1969
01:33:17,240 --> 01:33:19,240
Speaker 9: You know, you have the space, you have the control

1970
01:33:19,439 --> 01:33:23,800
Speaker 9: for the most part, there's usually fewer rules, but you

1971
01:33:23,920 --> 01:33:26,640
Speaker 9: do have to handle all of your maintenance. But guess what,

1972
01:33:27,479 --> 01:33:30,080
Speaker 9: if you're to the point in your life where this

1973
01:33:30,280 --> 01:33:34,160
Speaker 9: is this is your life, you can always hire somebody

1974
01:33:34,240 --> 01:33:37,560
Speaker 9: to do it. And sometimes you can hire someone to

1975
01:33:37,800 --> 01:33:40,479
Speaker 9: do your lawn maintenance for cheaper than an hoa wall.

1976
01:33:41,439 --> 01:33:43,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you can hire it out right. You

1977
01:33:43,080 --> 01:33:45,920
Speaker 2: look at it, going okay, pepepe, and and probably that's

1978
01:33:45,960 --> 01:33:47,560
Speaker 2: the case too. I'm wonder some of these hoas you

1979
01:33:47,640 --> 01:33:49,920
Speaker 2: look at the fees and you know, I know you've

1980
01:33:49,960 --> 01:33:52,599
Speaker 2: had clients, Michelle where they have balked and said, man,

1981
01:33:52,680 --> 01:33:55,400
Speaker 2: the hoa is killing me right now, and you add

1982
01:33:55,400 --> 01:33:57,000
Speaker 2: it up to go, well, I could firm this out

1983
01:33:57,080 --> 01:33:59,720
Speaker 2: that you know, the snowshoveling, which is maybe not even

1984
01:33:59,720 --> 01:34:01,200
Speaker 2: a hand full of time of year, or you could

1985
01:34:01,200 --> 01:34:03,000
Speaker 2: do it yourself maybe, but okay, I don't want to

1986
01:34:03,040 --> 01:34:06,040
Speaker 2: cut the lawn anymore right now. But they also pay

1987
01:34:06,040 --> 01:34:07,599
Speaker 2: if you know, then when the roof needs replay, well,

1988
01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:10,559
Speaker 2: the roof roofleling needs are replaced every well roughly twenty years.

1989
01:34:11,320 --> 01:34:13,040
Speaker 2: They're not going to do an air conditioning unit or

1990
01:34:13,080 --> 01:34:15,040
Speaker 2: anything like that. Maybe you know, they'll paint it every

1991
01:34:15,080 --> 01:34:17,240
Speaker 2: few years if it's older. Okay, but I think I

1992
01:34:17,640 --> 01:34:19,000
Speaker 2: I'll have to do the math and go. You know,

1993
01:34:19,080 --> 01:34:23,720
Speaker 2: if I just did this myself, it's I'm a head

1994
01:34:23,760 --> 01:34:24,040
Speaker 2: of Again.

1995
01:34:24,080 --> 01:34:26,280
Speaker 9: In the long run, it could save money. And again,

1996
01:34:26,360 --> 01:34:30,479
Speaker 9: when you're buying a home, there's higher appreciation as long

1997
01:34:30,560 --> 01:34:33,400
Speaker 9: as you are continuing the maintenance. You can't just you know,

1998
01:34:33,520 --> 01:34:35,680
Speaker 9: buy it and forget it. A lot of people do that,

1999
01:34:35,960 --> 01:34:38,960
Speaker 9: and then you know, we know that that can result

2000
01:34:39,080 --> 01:34:44,920
Speaker 9: in some disastrous maintenance bills as things move forward. But

2001
01:34:45,240 --> 01:34:48,400
Speaker 9: you know, it's a great question you have to understand

2002
01:34:49,200 --> 01:34:52,720
Speaker 9: before you get into it, because the other thing is

2003
01:34:52,800 --> 01:34:56,639
Speaker 9: if you're planning on selling, condos do turnover a little

2004
01:34:56,720 --> 01:34:59,559
Speaker 9: bit more than a single family home. So if you're

2005
01:34:59,640 --> 01:35:02,120
Speaker 9: planning to be in that home for at least five

2006
01:35:02,200 --> 01:35:07,200
Speaker 9: to seven years, consider the single family home first, and

2007
01:35:07,439 --> 01:35:11,679
Speaker 9: then you know, maybe an option would be a condo.

2008
01:35:11,800 --> 01:35:15,400
Speaker 9: There's a lot of new condos being built currently. Again,

2009
01:35:15,600 --> 01:35:19,640
Speaker 9: if depending on your lifestyle, do you want to have

2010
01:35:19,840 --> 01:35:22,840
Speaker 9: someone like directly next to you, do you want to

2011
01:35:22,880 --> 01:35:25,360
Speaker 9: be able to hear them? Would you like to have

2012
01:35:25,560 --> 01:35:29,160
Speaker 9: someone above you or below you? In a lot of condos,

2013
01:35:29,200 --> 01:35:32,200
Speaker 9: it's either an apartment style or it's a townhouse style.

2014
01:35:32,760 --> 01:35:35,280
Speaker 9: So there's a lot of different options when it comes

2015
01:35:35,320 --> 01:35:38,080
Speaker 9: to condos. You know, we find that younger people who

2016
01:35:38,120 --> 01:35:41,840
Speaker 9: are just starting out, the condo's a great option. Right

2017
01:35:42,120 --> 01:35:44,640
Speaker 9: If you are a young first time home buyer and

2018
01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:48,799
Speaker 9: you can find a condo that helps you build equity,

2019
01:35:49,000 --> 01:35:52,759
Speaker 9: helps you build your credit, a condo's a great option

2020
01:35:53,280 --> 01:35:56,439
Speaker 9: because you may not have a single clue unless you

2021
01:35:56,520 --> 01:35:59,880
Speaker 9: have a handy dad. Yes, you may not have a

2022
01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:02,280
Speaker 9: clue as to how to do the maintenance and stuff

2023
01:36:02,360 --> 01:36:05,320
Speaker 9: like that. So buying a condo when you're young and

2024
01:36:05,439 --> 01:36:08,559
Speaker 9: you don't know might be a good it's a good

2025
01:36:08,600 --> 01:36:12,559
Speaker 9: option for you and then graduate to a single family home.

2026
01:36:12,600 --> 01:36:14,560
Speaker 9: But if you're on the other end of the spectrum,

2027
01:36:14,840 --> 01:36:18,120
Speaker 9: you really have to consider what's important. Is the condo

2028
01:36:18,200 --> 01:36:21,720
Speaker 9: better for your lifestyle, your financing and all of that,

2029
01:36:22,400 --> 01:36:23,880
Speaker 9: or is a single family home better?

2030
01:36:24,120 --> 01:36:25,600
Speaker 4: What about an RV Clark.

2031
01:36:26,840 --> 01:36:29,320
Speaker 9: An RV Clark, I don't know much about that, and

2032
01:36:29,640 --> 01:36:32,280
Speaker 9: it's not something that I would ever consider, because we

2033
01:36:32,400 --> 01:36:34,920
Speaker 9: are not going to be an tenement on wheels.

2034
01:36:36,320 --> 01:36:38,320
Speaker 4: We're going to afford a tenement on wheels exactly.

2035
01:36:39,680 --> 01:36:41,479
Speaker 2: Although I know those people who have done that and said,

2036
01:36:41,479 --> 01:36:42,760
Speaker 2: you know what, I'm just getting an RV and driver

2037
01:36:42,840 --> 01:36:44,439
Speaker 2: on the country. They're quite happy about it. And you

2038
01:36:44,479 --> 01:36:46,360
Speaker 2: could think about it. You sold your house, you could

2039
01:36:46,360 --> 01:36:49,040
Speaker 2: buy you could buy a boss. Most people could for

2040
01:36:49,120 --> 01:36:50,240
Speaker 2: the cost of a house.

2041
01:36:50,320 --> 01:36:50,439
Speaker 7: Right.

2042
01:36:50,520 --> 01:36:53,080
Speaker 9: Yeah, But here's the thing. Okay, let's talk about that

2043
01:36:53,280 --> 01:36:55,760
Speaker 9: for a second. And we've known people who've done it,

2044
01:36:55,840 --> 01:36:57,479
Speaker 9: but they've done it for like a year or so.

2045
01:36:58,120 --> 01:37:01,040
Speaker 9: It's fun for a minute, But are you really going

2046
01:37:01,120 --> 01:37:02,920
Speaker 9: to live in an r.

2047
01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:04,559
Speaker 7: V for the rest of your life?

2048
01:37:04,920 --> 01:37:05,920
Speaker 4: I don't off.

2049
01:37:06,040 --> 01:37:08,240
Speaker 2: Maybe you know, for the short maybe I don't know.

2050
01:37:08,320 --> 01:37:09,479
Speaker 2: Maybe you want to do it for five years.

2051
01:37:09,560 --> 01:37:11,960
Speaker 9: I mean it's fine, it's fine for I think short

2052
01:37:12,080 --> 01:37:14,439
Speaker 9: term personally, I could never do it.

2053
01:37:15,439 --> 01:37:18,400
Speaker 7: Just no, No, that's a that's a that's a.

2054
01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:20,559
Speaker 2: Hard mat because no matter how big it is, it's

2055
01:37:20,560 --> 01:37:22,240
Speaker 2: still not far and off away from me, right.

2056
01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:28,439
Speaker 9: That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying, sir.

2057
01:37:28,680 --> 01:37:31,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, we fight, We fight enough now we actually driving

2058
01:37:31,920 --> 01:37:34,040
Speaker 2: is the largest houses on wheels right now?

2059
01:37:34,120 --> 01:37:35,760
Speaker 4: What could possibly go row out?

2060
01:37:35,920 --> 01:37:38,640
Speaker 9: And if I'm in a way you.

2061
01:37:38,760 --> 01:37:41,000
Speaker 4: Leave doors open, somebody's bound to fall out.

2062
01:37:48,080 --> 01:37:50,000
Speaker 9: That's kind of funny. It's like, so if you would

2063
01:37:50,040 --> 01:37:52,280
Speaker 9: live on an airplane, so that would mean I'd have

2064
01:37:52,439 --> 01:37:54,559
Speaker 9: to close all the cabinet doors and do the little

2065
01:37:54,600 --> 01:37:57,280
Speaker 9: locky thing like they do an airplane. You gotta lock

2066
01:37:57,320 --> 01:37:58,519
Speaker 9: it so there's any trigger, right.

2067
01:37:58,560 --> 01:38:00,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's going to look like the tight Gus, what's

2068
01:38:00,640 --> 01:38:02,320
Speaker 4: gonna happen? It's gonna be crap all over.

2069
01:38:02,400 --> 01:38:02,680
Speaker 7: You left?

2070
01:38:02,720 --> 01:38:03,639
Speaker 4: Did you like those doors?

2071
01:38:03,680 --> 01:38:04,559
Speaker 2: I thought I shut?

2072
01:38:04,800 --> 01:38:08,680
Speaker 9: Shot, I shut that I did, I closed, and I swear.

2073
01:38:08,840 --> 01:38:11,200
Speaker 4: My innditions for the fifth time this month. Awesome.

2074
01:38:11,560 --> 01:38:14,400
Speaker 2: My wife, Michelle Sloan, We'll just we're just happy having

2075
01:38:14,439 --> 01:38:14,800
Speaker 2: a home.

2076
01:38:14,920 --> 01:38:16,439
Speaker 4: How about that? Our home is nice.

2077
01:38:16,479 --> 01:38:17,200
Speaker 3: We love our home.

2078
01:38:17,240 --> 01:38:19,880
Speaker 2: We're the house that's all good. Well S, your knees

2079
01:38:19,920 --> 01:38:22,040
Speaker 2: getting better, so it's all good during these holiday seas.

2080
01:38:22,080 --> 01:38:24,439
Speaker 2: All right, thanks again, appreciate it. My wife over at

2081
01:38:24,880 --> 01:38:28,280
Speaker 2: Sloan sells homes dot com and every next time in Mainville, love.

2082
01:38:28,120 --> 01:38:29,400
Speaker 4: You, see you light. I gotta go. I gotta go

2083
01:38:29,880 --> 01:38:31,400
Speaker 4: because I gotta get the news.

2084
01:38:31,479 --> 01:38:32,920
Speaker 2: We've got Willie on the way next. We got lots

2085
01:38:32,960 --> 01:38:34,600
Speaker 2: going on on this Thursday morning, and he made it

2086
01:38:34,680 --> 01:38:36,960
Speaker 2: to Friday, at least I did. Anyway, a few more

2087
01:38:37,000 --> 01:38:38,920
Speaker 2: hours for you and you're there as well. Right weekend,

2088
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