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Speaker 1: Thanks Dan, great interview. I was born in seventy four,

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Speaker 1: and it's personal for me, like I said, because we

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Speaker 1: have been on a team that included Kent Benson, Scott

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Speaker 1: Now again, which Scott may have had as many opportunities

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Speaker 1: is astounding to think that was That team is considered

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Speaker 1: The best team in the history of college basketball. And

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Speaker 1: And you know, I didn't get to it with the

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Speaker 1: But he wasn't Larry Bird yet, even though he played

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Speaker 2: Night ran them out.

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Speaker 1: He got there, reamed him out a couple times in practice,

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Speaker 1: Now that might have happened, I guess eventually, but it

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Speaker 1: And to my point, somebody just texted Bird was smart

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Speaker 1: Benson's going to be matched up attempting to guard Larry's

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Speaker 1: He obviously carved out. He's more mythic in Indiana State

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Speaker 2: You went to college Handcock construction. Yeah, that's the best.

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Speaker 1: The uniqueness of his story right that that there's just

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Speaker 1: The new book by Keith O'Brien, who wrote the definitive

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Speaker 1: now with one on the Bird Young Years and Indiana

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Speaker 1: Terrific journalists as you know, and a lot of it,

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Speaker 2: A few times in the NBA.

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Speaker 1: Give me Kevin Kernan's best Larry Joe Bird memory or story.

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Speaker 4: Yes, a couple of things. You know, I was always.

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Speaker 5: There when Bird, you know, when they had to when

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Speaker 5: And I saw Peter recently.

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Speaker 5: He's a big Brooklyn Dodgers fan. And but we were

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Speaker 1: So last night, where do you want to begin? It's

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Speaker 1: With what happened specifically last night three to two Venezuela

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Speaker 4: It's a dream team.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, this is like our dream team we had way

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Speaker 4: You're either in or you're out.

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Speaker 5: The promos they are doing. Because the Team USA didn't

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Speaker 5: things like that. What they do, what they what they

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00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,159
Speaker 5: accomplished me so much and you can see it and

439
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,360
Speaker 5: swear as for as to me. A former manager has

440
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 5: told me today he was one of the most beautiful

441
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 5: people you ever ever ever coached. So so from that perspective,

442
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 5: I love it. I love the w you know, I

443
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 5: love the WBC because people care, they do everything. But

444
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 5: you know, Team USA, you know, fuck the Big Game

445
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 5: didn't have a game twenty five strikeouts last two games.

446
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 5: You know, that's that's brutal. That's brue rod Vegas four

447
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,159
Speaker 5: and a third, shutout, innings five, U r A all

448
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,679
Speaker 5: the details. So it's and then then you also hear

449
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 5: the excuse making and you're going, I already heard it

450
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:34,639
Speaker 5: from a couple of players today and some other people.

451
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 5: Well this tea, this should be in the All Star break. Uh,

452
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 5: this should be a few weeks down the road. Hey

453
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:43,919
Speaker 5: did that be? All the guys from the other country

454
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,119
Speaker 5: said ready? Even the American guys from Team USA. Uh,

455
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 5: you know Italy got ready. So it's that's bs. I

456
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,880
Speaker 5: take it back to the sandlot when the rich kids

457
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 5: came over and wanted to play as a sandlot boys

458
00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 5: were It's basically any time anywhere, fellows. You know, that's

459
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 5: how it should be. But we've become so soft as

460
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 5: a team and a little bit as a country that

461
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:11,439
Speaker 5: we let them, you know, we let them basically destroy us.

462
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 5: This thing was set up for the America to win.

463
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 5: Couldn't have an easier path. The same believers that pitched

464
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 5: the night before had to come back for Venezuela. You

465
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 5: didn't hear those guys complaining polentally I guarantee you this,

466
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 5: and knowing the Cubs, you know we can't. We don't

467
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 5: want him pitching on back to back days. I guarantee

468
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,879
Speaker 5: that Palencia went to the Cubs and said, hey, this

469
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,640
Speaker 5: is my country, I'm pitching. So he shut him down.

470
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 5: So there's a whole different mindset the rest of.

471
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 4: The world has than our our guys have, and our.

472
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 5: Guys they went in there with the right mindset. And

473
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 5: one other thing that really pissed me off. This is

474
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 5: going to rattle some cages. Scoobl what are you doing.

475
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 5: We're in a hockey jersey. What are you doing in

476
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,479
Speaker 5: the in the in the dugout if you're not pitching.

477
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 5: You pitched three names against Great Britain, could have used

478
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 5: you against the Meinican, could have used you against you know,

479
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 5: be back up McClean in this game. So get out

480
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,360
Speaker 5: of the I go with Bobby Coff. She used to say, Hey,

481
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 5: if you're in the dugout, put on your plates, get

482
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,959
Speaker 5: a glove, because I'm gonna use you. So those are

483
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:11,639
Speaker 5: some of the things.

484
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 2: To your point.

485
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 1: We started the show yesterday with a headline in of

486
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 1: all places of Wall Street Journal, this was going into

487
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 1: the champion the final game. Team USA has the best

488
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: pictures in the world. Why can't it use them? And

489
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 1: it speaks to your issue. We're half in, half out,

490
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: And let's not pretend we were all in just because

491
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 1: that games were dramatic, Because we weren't all in. It's

492
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 1: just factual or especially when it comes to pitchers.

493
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 4: Venezuela was all in.

494
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know what, I guarantee. You know. How about

495
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 5: did you notice the shot of Paul Skins after at

496
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 5: the end? No, just sitting there, He's standing in a

497
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 5: tuget A couple of things because you know me, Dan,

498
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,880
Speaker 5: I look at dougouts, even at the Mets and Yankees

499
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 5: when I was daily around them, I would sit away

500
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 5: from the other writers where I could look into the

501
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 5: Yankees or Mets dugout because you see so much. So

502
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 5: two things caught me caught my eye. First of all,

503
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 5: before the game started, p Crow Armstrong, you know your

504
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 5: guy Buxton playing center field? What the hell? Why?

505
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 2: So?

506
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 5: So that was a down or to begin with within

507
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 5: the guys. But after the game, Skeens is standing there

508
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 5: and I was reading his mind and it was almost like,

509
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 5: oh my god, I'm back in Pittsburgh. You can't hit,

510
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,880
Speaker 5: you know, and and and and and and and again,

511
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 5: Skeens have to be feeling that, because I guarantee it,

512
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 5: Skeens would have pulled the Yama moto. If we got

513
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 5: to that thing and there was an anywhere he had

514
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 5: to go last night, he would have went. He would

515
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 5: have went same. I got to compliment, Jack's your guy. There,

516
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 5: this this kid. You know that guy, he's he's a weapon.

517
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 5: And uh So we had guys that wanted to be

518
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 5: in but our organization and and and and and DeRosa

519
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 5: got abused for lots of reasons. Uh but but we

520
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 5: also took it from an analytics approach. When we were

521
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 5: playing launchal angle baseball, they were playing baseball.

522
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:06,360
Speaker 4: Moved to run a road.

523
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 5: They scored the two runs in baseball ways. We only

524
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 5: scored the last four runs scored in the left two

525
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 5: games where by home runs.

526
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 4: So we're look they if you look in at that.

527
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 5: There's another scene in dugout the assistant hitting coaches got

528
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 5: grafts and all this other stuff. Video for team you'ers say,

529
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 5: then you go in to vendors wueld dugout and there's

530
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 5: Miguel Cabrera exhorting his guys on getting passionate about let's go,

531
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 5: let's get the hit. You know, so they played baseball.

532
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 5: We played nerd ball. So there's that famous word that

533
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 5: we played nerd ball and then we let the nerds

534
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 5: tell us, no, you can't use this guy only in

535
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 5: this situation. So four masonability, the way he ripped that

536
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 5: that metal office, he wasn't mad not only about getting

537
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 5: said can play. I guarantee he was mad at Podres

538
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,959
Speaker 5: organization for not letting him pitch, and that'll be interested

539
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 5: in him going back to Peoria.

540
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 2: Have we seen to get back to what you mentioned

541
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 2: at the start?

542
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: Have we? I can't remember the last time I saw

543
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: a team win something and reveal that level of joy

544
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 1: and satisfaction that that part of it was.

545
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 2: I could have watched that, I think for another hour.

546
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 1: It was because it all felt you know why, none

547
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 1: of it felt choreographed, right, It all felt real exuberance

548
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 1: over the moment, and that part of it was was

549
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: hard to top.

550
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 2: Don't you think.

551
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 4: Never seen anything like it?

552
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 5: You know, I've been to so many different championships and

553
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 5: you know, guys won the World Series, they cry a

554
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 5: little bit. This this was like a moment of celebration

555
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 5: for everyone in the country, but really meaningful tears, real tears.

556
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 5: You know, Oh my Wepas didn't get paid. I don't

557
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 5: think what a job he did too, you know, keeping

558
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 5: these guys together. And I know a lot of it

559
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 5: is weel on players through the years, very class guys

560
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 5: that play.

561
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 4: The game the right way.

562
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 5: And it gets back to what I originally said at

563
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 5: the start. You know, we don't want to bring politics

564
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 5: into sports. I understand that, but you know, their world

565
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 5: has been turned upside down, you know, for basically twenty

566
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 5: six years, and and you know, to have this moment

567
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 5: where they proved the best in the world. And you know,

568
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 5: Rosenthal had a great interview with with with A Suarez afterwards.

569
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 5: And these are guys too. I'm going to point this

570
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 5: out to everybody because it's important. They prayed every day

571
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 5: before the game started. You know, Suarez is like a pastor.

572
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 5: I mean the way his emotions that so all that

573
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 5: emotion came flooding out.

574
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 4: The damn broke and these guys it.

575
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 5: Was like like, like Suarez said, we're really family. We

576
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 5: hear that so much, but you could tell that these

577
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 5: guys were family and they wanted to show the world

578
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 5: that they could do it, and they did it. From

579
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 5: that respect, it's a great event.

580
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 4: Don't move it, have.

581
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 5: It at that time of year because you got a challenge.

582
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 5: That one other thing I'd like to point out, Hey, USA,

583
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 5: if you really want to get into and get a

584
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 5: head start, maybe send some of your guys down to

585
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 5: the Caribbean to play some winter ball to get a

586
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 5: head start. How about playing some of your gritty players.

587
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,959
Speaker 5: We played all our superstars. We left the gritty players.

588
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,479
Speaker 5: You know, they weren't in the lineup at the end,

589
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 5: and that bought Ernie clemtt. Whatever happened to him. I

590
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 5: thought he had the most hits in the postseason history

591
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 5: last year. They're sorry him again.

592
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: Is it possible that the reviews, being so positive of

593
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: the event itself might convince the baseball powers that be

594
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: to that to have the next time around have both

595
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: feed in rather than what we seem to have.

596
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 2: Is that at all possible or.

597
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: Do you think there's still going to be especially with

598
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: pitchers the way people want to, you know, be careful

599
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: about pitchers and Tommy John surgery and the season just

600
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: coming up.

601
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 2: Are we always going to be playing this thing halfway?

602
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: Is any chance this might energize thing to say no,

603
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: let's let's literally get all in next time.

604
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 5: Two things here, great question, the the nerds will never change.

605
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 5: Nerds never admit they're wrong. When was less than a

606
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 5: nerd was fired from the front office, so the analytics

607
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 5: guys were fired. Never happens.

608
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 4: Second thing is, and this is the real danger area.

609
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 5: And I want to warn everybody this. If I'm a

610
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 5: really good player next time, now, am I going to

611
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 5: go all in? Am I going to Why do I

612
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:26,719
Speaker 5: need to sign up for this? I'm going to get

613
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 5: abused because we're not We're not giving it at all.

614
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 5: Do you expect you expect these front offices to change?

615
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 5: And the worst thing is we've created a generation of

616
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 5: players now who are afraid that they're going to get hurt.

617
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 5: School was afraid, you know him and Scott you know

618
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 5: Scott Boris, And I get it, there's all that money

619
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 5: in there, but let's face it, Dan, School's getting thirty

620
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 5: two million dollars. Worst case scenario, He's okay for life. Okay,

621
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 5: he's okay for life, you know, but he's gonna even

622
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 5: if he blew out, somebody would still sign up. For

623
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 5: you know so much so so I think players are

624
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 5: going to take the eight the player the danger areas.

625
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 5: Are the players going to say next time? Is it

626
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 5: worth it? Once they start asking that, And that's the

627
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 5: question we should be asking these guys when we see them,

628
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 5: is it worth it? They may give you the song

629
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 5: and dance, oh something great to have the USA across

630
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 5: my chest, but if they and again I'm not saying

631
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 5: it's similar to the military, but a lot of guys

632
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 5: brought up the military schemes. Was in there because of

633
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 5: the military. You want to show those guys, hey, we

634
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 5: respect what you're doing. But I'm old and and I

635
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 5: remember I was in you know, my generation was in

636
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 5: the Vietnam War, and I was lucky my lottery number

637
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 5: was over two hundred. I didn't go in, but a

638
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 5: lot of my friends did. And when I talked to

639
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 5: them when they came back, you know, it was kind

640
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 5: of like, hey, we had our hand one hand tied

641
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 5: behind our back. Nobody wants to go to and into

642
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 5: anything with one hand tied behind their back.

643
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 4: And that's where we are right now.

644
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 5: Is the country with this WBC and H and man,

645
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 5: by the way, we don't know type breakers and we

646
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 5: don't wear ties for the champions.

647
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 2: Come on, you were not happy about the the the

648
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 2: casual attire. How do we end up? So what's the

649
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 2: final grade we give the manager?

650
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 4: What do you think I got to give him.

651
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 5: I'm going to go with the name the Rose. I'm

652
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 5: going to give him a duh. You know he had some,

653
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 5: he had he had some, He had his hands tide.

654
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 5: But you know what, and this this is this is

655
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Speaker 5: me Dan, This is why I would get in trouble.

656
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Speaker 5: Say I get that call from the fire and I

657
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Speaker 5: get the call from the padres of the text, Hey,

658
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Speaker 5: we can only do them if you get the league

659
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Speaker 5: going into the ninth blah blah blah. You know what.

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Speaker 5: I go into that meeting and I talked to Mason Miller,

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Speaker 5: person like somebody from baseball told me, ask the player,

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Speaker 5: not the organization. If the player is okay, he should play.

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Speaker 5: So I go into that meeting and this is how

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Speaker 5: the roster could have turned it all around. I go

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Speaker 5: into that meeting before the game. I say, hey, just

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Speaker 5: talk to the padres. Guys. Uh. They said that our

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Speaker 5: big gun Miller here, we can't even catch him Will Smith.

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Speaker 5: He can't even catch him with the past Balston, they said,

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Speaker 5: he can only go if we have the league going

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Speaker 5: into the nine. You know how to close it out,

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Speaker 5: and you know what bs on that if I need him,

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Speaker 5: he's going in. You'll give me whatever I need, right Mason, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 5: let's go.

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Speaker 4: And then they charge out and the ten runs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go.

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Speaker 5: That's then he gets an A. But he had his

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Speaker 5: hands tide with certain thing, not knowing the rules, and

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Speaker 5: as we talked.

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Speaker 4: Last time, it wasn't just him.

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Speaker 5: PR department might kill so but but that's got to

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Speaker 5: be the first thing he knows. And he can't be

682
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Speaker 5: buddy buddy with his boys from MLB Networks listening to

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Speaker 5: what they say.

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Speaker 4: So so, yeah, it's tough thing.

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Speaker 5: I'll give him an a his wi I'll give me

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Speaker 5: an a. He did a great job recruiting. He got

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Speaker 5: the guys he had to get right. He has his

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Speaker 5: hands tied by management. But then he also could have

689
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Speaker 5: pushed back. He could have given them more pushback.

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Speaker 4: I'm not honoring the padres there.

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Speaker 5: I'm winning the WBC and that's what I say.

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Speaker 4: I like that.

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Speaker 1: By the way, you mentioned the tie thing. Is it

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Speaker 1: fair to say that you were fairly inspired. Weird when

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Speaker 1: your guy pat Riley, they just unveiled the big new

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Speaker 1: statue of him outside uh the Lakers Arena, and Riley

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Speaker 1: we mused about a lot of stuff and one of

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Speaker 1: the things he mentioned is a desire one of his

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Speaker 1: dreams would be to get back to a time when

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Speaker 1: the NBA head coaches wore suits again. I'm guessing you

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Speaker 1: you you gave that particular muse a standing ovation.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, I'm all for it, and also college coaches. You know,

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Speaker 5: That's why I love what Patino's doing. Patino's wearing a

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Speaker 5: suit and tie, you know. And by the way, Riley,

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Speaker 5: I was once told and I think pat might have

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Speaker 5: told me this way back when, because I love pat Riley,

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Speaker 5: you know, hard not to because he puts on his

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Speaker 5: image of this you know, this l a clean, slick guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's a kid from schenect the part of New York.

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00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 5: And I heard that it was actually his wife who

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Speaker 5: created the the image that.

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Speaker 2: You know that that the showtime deal.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, sure, yeah, his wife, because there's a credit for that,

715
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 5: and kick Pat's credit.

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Speaker 4: What do you do.

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00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 5: You listen to your wife and and he's created that,

718
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Speaker 5: And I'm one hundred percent behind that. We need more

719
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Speaker 5: suits than ties. Man getting back to Manford. He must

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Speaker 5: have just came on from the golf course because he

721
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Speaker 5: knew he was handing out another piece of metal. And

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Speaker 5: we can figure that one out.

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Speaker 2: Another good chief shot. You're the best man.

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Speaker 1: I hope you got it out of your system because

725
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Speaker 1: I don't want it. I don't want it welling in

726
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: your belly. I don't want it because that it's bad

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00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 1: to get You got to get it out if it's

728
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: just stuck.

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Speaker 5: We were just talking about that with my steak sandwich

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Speaker 5: I had. I had a great day going with a

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Speaker 5: steak sandwich.

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Speaker 4: It was unbelievable.

733
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Speaker 5: But I've been fuming and I've been able to event

734
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Speaker 5: today and I'm also writing my column Football nine Excellent

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Speaker 5: dot Com, which will come to Mars. So it's out.

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Speaker 5: It's out now, I've moved on. I just feel bad

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Speaker 5: for my boy Aaron Judge. I'd love to talk to

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Speaker 5: Judge and right now see how he's feeling. He's got

739
00:36:59,239 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 5: to be pissed to the war.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that's probably true, but yeah, it's good to see

741
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 1: you get that Buyle out. Man.

742
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Speaker 2: You don't want it to congeal in there. It's not good.

743
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 5: Gotta I gotta figure it out.

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00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 2: Absolutely good at taking to my friend. Will be in touch.

745
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 2: Thanks as always, I appreciate you.

746
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Speaker 1: Kevin kernan longtime ball rider, but really long time tabloid rider.

747
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 1: Covered a lot of NBA, covered a lot of baseball,

748
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: covered a lot of everything a generalist, one could say,

749
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: but more recently baseball has been his area.

750
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Speaker 2: Via the website he writes for these days ball nine

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Speaker 2: dot com.

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Speaker 3: You're saying, I just I draw inspiration from so many

753
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,399
Speaker 3: of our guests and learned a lot about Larry Bird today.

754
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 3: And there's different ways I think the lesson I learned

755
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 3: from today show. If we did a you know, Dan Patrick,

756
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 3: what do you learn today? He said, guard you, what

757
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,280
Speaker 3: do you learned today? If you're saying that both teams

758
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 3: that everyone should be happy with what happened last night

759
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 3: and we're all winners, you're a loser, Kevin.

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00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 2: That's what he opened with right out of the gate.

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Speaker 3: If you're saying everybody won last night, you're a loser.

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00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 3: Brushes you back immediately, just so you don't. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 3: off the plate for sure.

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Speaker 2: Well, and it is.

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Speaker 1: It contrasts because everyone else is doing. We're celebrating the

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Speaker 1: bigness we lost to the United States of America as

767
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Speaker 1: soft as a country.

768
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 2: Well we are soft. Well, it's not so much. Well,

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Speaker 2: some of it is softness.

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Speaker 1: Some of it, again is just lack of commitment to

771
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Speaker 1: the bit which we did talk about yesterday that if

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Speaker 1: it is a bit deceptive to say, oh, this is

773
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Speaker 1: all wonderful and look at the emotion of this thing

774
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Speaker 1: and everybody's into it so much, when we weren't into

775
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: it that much, not enough to make sure that the

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00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: best whatever the man whoever the manager wanted to use,

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00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: he could use. That's how you prove that everybody's in

778
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 1: it and everybody really really feels like it's something special. Otherwise,

779
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 1: as dramatic as it was, you are kind of deceiving

780
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 1: the audience just for the sake of feeling good about

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Speaker 1: the whole thing.

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Speaker 2: And that's why we love having curmudgeons.

783
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Speaker 1: Like our last guest, mister Kernin Kessler speaking of Curmudgeons,

784
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 1: is scheduled for five thirty this afternoon.

785
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 2: We have Top five at five yet to come. I

786
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 2: we went short on Top five.

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Speaker 1: You want to go a little longer today, I mean

788
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: we can break now and you can have you can

789
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: like spread your wings for today's top five.

790
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Speaker 3: It's always my favorite when there's really nothing going on

791
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 3: and we get to spread our wings. I know we've

792
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 3: got plenty of wolves wild, We've got and stuff to

793
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 3: get to.

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00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,760
Speaker 2: All we do is win. Now wore wolves injuries to discuss.

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, Vikings trying to add a little depth of

796
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: their offensive line that broke since yesterdays show correct, I

797
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 1: believe so yeah, So all that and more when we

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Speaker 1: come